/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Regarding challenges for the next thread, it'd be nice to hear your ideas about them. In the case there will be no requests, I'll try to come up with something relatively close to what people seem to be playing within the threads.

>>10356017
STB 3-3 no zoom

I just started playing 2hu a day and a half ago, and so far my biggest accomplishment is using one continue on easy mode in Imperishable Night. Been spending quite a bit of time practicing Eirin's spell cards and have captured all her regular spell card in less than five practice attempts EXCEPT Esoterica "Astronomical Entombing". Is it easier to destroy as many familiars as you can (working right to left or vice versa/destroying center), are there certain ones that are more troublesome than the rest, or would it be best to tough it out and focus fire entirely on Eirin herself? For reference, I can get around 50 seconds into card, mostly dying to carelessly running into bullets due to trying to go balls deep into destroying familiars, which is my fault anyway.

>>10356350
Definitely destroy the familiars, I usually start with the center, but that might just be preference.

>>10356017
I'd like something in IN just because that's the only game I've practiced, but I guess it's also fun to branch out sometimes. I'll probably try PCB for this thread, since I'm pretty sure ten desires doesn't work with wine

>>10356017
I'd like to request something shorter than a full game for next time, especially since Touhou scoring pretty much always involves taking as much time as possible on noncards and some spell cards. Honestly I find it kinda boring...
The all-cards-captured wasn't so bad since it didn't involve any milking.

>>10356350
I've found it most convenient to attack familiars until she gets to around 2/3 to 1/2 HP. By then you've got most of the middle ones cleared out, and she's taking full damage so you may as well just take her down the rest of the way rather than worrying about the sides.

>>10356438
This. I like challenges that are short and sweet. Full game runs are fine as long as milking doesn't factor into it.

>>10356350
Stop playing on Easy.
Is the first thing you should do.

>>10356432
>I'll probably try PCB for this thread, since I'm pretty sure ten desires doesn't work with wine
TD worked fine for me on Wine. Here's a (pretty bad) replay of me using it: http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=20346
And I did get the vpatch to work after that as well.

>>10356350
Try the harder modes first and/or Shoot the Bullet/Double Spoiler.
Get as far as you can, when you game over, save a replay and check what you've done wrong and look for safespots and what not.
When you're COVERED in bullets, just focus on your hitbox. Don't bomb so much like other asstards tell you to, you'll never remember the patterns and you'll just become prone to messing up more and more.

Okay /jp/, I want to explore this Touhou culture which you guys seem so fond of, but I'm not sure where to start. I've heard some recommendations to start on the 6th game, is this what you all would recommend? Also should I bother going raw if I can't read Japanese quickly/easily yet?

>>10356534
Going in order is fine. I personally recommend PCB or MoF as first games, though.

>>10356546
MoF is not a good first game. It's easy, sure, but you'd get far too used to spamming bombs and not bothering to graze and whatnot.

>>10356552
That's exactly what makes MoF a great place to start, you don't have to worry about complex mechanics and you learn about resource management.

>>10356573
Resource management as it pertains to MoF (i.e., a complete lack thereof) is rather different than all of the other games.

>>10356582
You'll learn to not die with bombs in stock, which is a good thing.

>>10356589
You'll get that from any Touhou game, and more easily too since there's a bit of a resistance with new players to using bombs in MoF since it reduces your power, while there isn't any detriment in other (non-SA) games other than having fewer bombs.

>>10356479
>and/or Shoot the Bullet/Double Spoiler.

Are you trying to scare him off?

>>10356591
As a new player, I have to say that I bomb more in MoF than any other game (besides maybe IN where it's very hard to die with bombs) because I figure that I'll have the bomb back in the next fifteen seconds anyway.

Mystic Square seems like a good game to start because its like the dodging techniques that are used in all the games are some how accentuated in Mystic Square. The white danmaku on white backgrounds can be a little frustrating, though.

>>10356534
I would recommend trying them all and then picking for yourself. I don't understand the rest of your question. Are you asking whether you need to know Japanese to enjoy the culture?

/jp/ pls strm

>>10356637
No I'm asking if playing the games in raw japanese is better than playing the translated version. I have a decent working knowledge of the moonspeak but I can't read it very quickly

>>10356688
If you want a good translation just read the wiki.

>>10356688
Some of the translations are pretty poor, so I would recommend Japanese if you think that it's important. After your first playthroughs, you'll probably never read it again.

>>10356688
I think that most players would agree that you don't need to know the language to enjoy the games. It may depend on whether you are playing for the gameplay or the story. I can't say from experience, but I've heard a lot of people complain about the quality of the translation patches in certain games. I would say to play the Japanese version if you know the language. Like >>10356705 said, you will probably never read it again after your first playthroughs.

>>10356714
>Playing for the story

>>10356733
Actually, after practicing any game for a while, I run through it on easy mode with all the characters I don't normally use just to read all the storylines

> Challenges are basically scoring shit
Yeah, no. I'll pass.

>>10356751
well ur gay

Special Challenge - Ten Desires [Normal]
Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?3btouk05sw4tx3v
Graze: 16,600

>>10356751
But Easy mode doesn't give you all of the story, especially on the older games.

>>10356460
I've gotten up to the end of stage 3 on normal and the end of 2 on hard before using a continue, mostly to be given the option of practicing harder spell cards and the stages themselves. IN spell cards are easy as piss on easy mode up until stage 4 for me. If anything, I'm going to half-ass easy clears with the other three duos first so I can do practice with them since Reimu's homing shot type is starting to form bad habits before buckling down on normal or hard.

Also I want to read the dialog.

>>10356479
I have StB, but I haven't played too much of it yet. I'll probably play DS soonish, probably after getting my ass stomped in by SA or UFO.

>>10356546
I felt that IN was easier to get into over MoF. While you cannot save yourself with a death bomb if you fuck up like in IN, they are much more spammable.

>>10356809
Sir, I don't think you should be calling anything "easy as piss" when you use continues and most likely bomb every spell card.

>>10356705
The only working torrent has all the games prepatched to English.

>>10356777
Grazing in TD isn't scoring.

>>10356890
Yes it is. It's an inferior method of scoring, but still scoring non the less.
So score runners (like the OP) are so incompetent that they can't even make the second challenge not be tailored towards people who play for score?

>>10356888
It's likely to contain both English and Japanese versions (if you have th*.exe and th*e.exe).

>>10356961
Even plain survival is an "inferior method of scoring" since you get endgame bonuses for unused resources.

What would you rather have?

>>10356890
The next challenge should be TD max graze.

>>10356862
I'm only saying that I have gotten through the first three stages without misses/bombs in IN easy because they are significantly less challenging than anything in the second half of the game. I'm not going to pretend that I'm not shit, though.

Is there any point in trying to collect time orbs on IN for a survival run? The extra time seems to be useful, but does it really matter as long as you don't use a continue?
Asking because im sure i could get better results without dying for a few orbs.

>>10356973
Embodiment still has the Japanese exe, but the rest are English only.

>>10357157
>Is there any point in trying to collect time orbs on IN for a survival run?
No.

>The extra time seems to be useful, but does it really matter as long as you don't use a continue?
No.

>>10357157
You'll see all the last spells, especially Kaguya's.

Fuck you, ZUN. I think I got that bug right before the last photo five times.

Please stream /jp/

>>10357176
>IN
>Heralded as the greatest, most complex of zun's work
>pointless

>>10357268
Don't be an idiot. It does absolutely nothing for survival, and that's what he's asking.

>>10357268
Even if you don't play for score, it's fun to unlock and try all the last words

>>10356001
Here is my shitty score for PCB extra. But I'm glad, I managed to capture charming siege, which pretty much never happens.

>>10356001
>Lunatic score lower than normal score
wow guys

>>10357431
Now you know /jp/'s real skill

>>10357431
Sorry for being bad. :[ I'll do better next time an IN scoring challenge shows up I promise.

Someone, somehow, should motivate me to keep playing these games. I'm about at the end of my rope. I mean, I have my fair share of achievements and all, but nothing drives me anymore to go above and beyond. I know I'm going to have to quit playing the games soon altogether, but there is so much left for me to do.

>>10357525
Go play Mars Matrix.

>>10357525
Please come on Skype.

>>10357525
I'm a very shitty player so there is nothing I could say that could keep you motivated since my opinion doesn't matter, but I've told you on your streams to start plying EoSD for score. Seeing as to how you went from nothing to all of those achievements in only a year, you could easily start getting world class scores by the end of 2013 if you actually set your mind to it. Though if you don't want to do that, you don't have to. Or, you could try streaming more often.

>I know I'm going to have to quit playing the games soon altogether.
Why so?

>>10357563
Your opinion matters. To put things bluntly, there won't be any time in my life to keep playing. I have a path in front of me that I can't deviate from. Touhou will do nothing but hinder that progress. Sorry if that is too personal. As for streaming, I have a bad connection. The majority of my successful streams were at different locations. But, again, the motivation issue.

>>10357657
>anything
>more important than Touhou

I haven't completed a single 2hu on normal mode despite owning every one.

This makes me feel terrible but I keep on trying to better myself because I find them so much fun.

I'm sorry.

>>10357754
Me neither.
But I started like 3 weeks ago.
The Prismriver sisters keep pooping on me.
I wish they'd stop.

>that feel when shit laptop with a shit keyboard so you can't shoot and move diagonally at the same time

Kill me.

>>10357708
hu u qut

>>10357708
>>10357790
hu u qut

>>10357790
Mine doesn't even have a ps2 port.

PCB scoring challenge - Hard - MarisaA:
replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26356
I also used no focus.
Final score: 914,552,980

I don't normally advertise my Touhou videos, but I thought this was worth sharing:
http://youtu.be/dsTrwo6lpxY
It is a no focus, time-out of Nether Sign "Endless Evening Cherry Blossoms" on lunatic.

>>10358219
Cool.

>>10357525
You could try the challenges in the OP, for example.

>>10356777
You're welcome to suggest some challenges, if the current ones don't suit your tastes.

>>10356777
2hard4u?

>>10358318
I suggest a typical challenge that has nothing to do with scoring. NB / NM / NF etc, take your pick.

>>10358344
No not really.

>>10358489
>NB / NM / NF
That's even more boring.

Try 600 FPS

/a/non here,
trying to get into touhou
what game should I start with?

Has anyone played the 3D version of Space Harrier for the 3DS yet?

I hunger for more STGs on my 3DS.

How do you feel when playing touhou /jp/?

Somebody is making Touhou vids with commentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1tdByos7L0&list=PLH2cGPDeXkqZiJJHZ_-fc7EJgxbDK2SOC

>>10358558
Maximum arousal
Maximum relaxing

>>10358554
Why would you want to play an stg on a tiny screen?

>>10358558
On hard, relaxation. On lunatic, anxiety, usually.

>>10358558
Pretty much only worry and anxiety. When I'm not frustrating myself with perpetually unsuccessful scoring in IN and PCB, I'm crying over my failures at MoF, SA and EoSD basic 1cc survival runs.

>>10358558
Apathy all the way, every day.

>>10358612
>scoring with solo Sakuya

Why do you hate yourself, anon? This isn't healthy.

>>10358619
She's the easiest solo human to score decently with, though.

>>10358575
You feel both completely challenged and completely unchallenged at the same time?

>>10358558
I have found the perfect center. I feel nothing.

>>10358595
Play at least 4 hours a day to train yourself. You'll get there if you practice enough.

>>10358637
It's a difficult state to achieve
much like nirvana

>>10358645
Reaching nirvana is easy, you just have to kill yourself.

>>10358642
Ah the old "practice more" shtick. I've got more than enough that over the years, trust me.

>>10358558
Relaxation until I make it to the part I'm stuck on
Then, well panic isn't on there so let's pretend it is.

Has anybody ever reverse-engineered the damage output of the various shot types? For instance in SA it feels like ReimuA can do more damage than ReimuB but I wonder what the actual numbers are.

What's Tohou ?

>>10358713
Touhou est une série japonaise de shoot them ups de type manic shooter ou danmaku.

I always assume it's a frenchman when a poster leaves a space between the final word and a question mark. Do any other languages do that?

>>10358673
There's an analysis on MotK that's outdated and has a lot of incorrect information.

There are more accurate ones on Japanese sites, but I don't remember the links and don't feel like finding them for you.

Yes ReimuA does more damage than ReimuB in SA. ReimuA has the highest damage output from a distance.

>>10358719
>Do any other languages do that?
No, it's generally a safe assumption

>>10358728
Found it, thanks
http://www11.atwiki.jp/touhoukouryaku/

>>10358619
That's not scoring.

twitch.tv/eldestructoe
Watch me fug Letty's shit up.

>>10358519
So is scoring.

>>10358489
>NB / NM / NF etc, take your pick.
With NB and NF, you still have to pick something to measure by. Lives remaining? That would just end up with a lot of ties (unless it's something stupidly hard, which nobody will want to play). It will end up coming down to score anyway unless you choose some number that varies enough to avoid ties, e.g. graze.

You can't really enforce a condition like NM.

>>10358932
Do you even... yeah. To everyone, their own.

>>10358932
Forever free.

>>10357525
when you grow tired of mundane 2hu survival challenges u can either, quit, lrn2score, or branch out to AC STGs, but so far you're barely even scratching the surface of this genre has to offer.

>>10351711
I was playing on normal. By the way do most people play windowed or full-screen? I've been doing the latter but recently I've switched to windowed and it's worked pretty nicely; allows me to get a better view of the "big picture" and doesn't really effect dodging. Exception being Keine's last spellcard shit that's hard to see

>>10359031
Forever autistic.

>>10359053
Probably going to quit. I did what I could. I wouldn't call my runs mundane, though. I put my effort into them, and I'm personally happy with each one.

>>10359084
>I put my effort into them, and I'm personally happy with each one.
Yeah, you should probably just quit.

>>10359104
>Yeah, you should probably just quit.

Yes, how dare he take personal satisfaction from playing a game! You must play only Touhou as your gaming entertainment for the rest of your life, and be miserable for all of it!

>>10359108
>You must play only Touhou as your gaming entertainment for the rest of your life, and be miserable for all of it!
Sarcasm aside, that's pretty much how it ends up.

Which is why I recommend quitting before that happens.

I'm in no condition to play. Messing borders and failing cards on even a single survival run.

It's time for bed.

I'm in no condition to play. Messing borders and failing cards on even a single survival run.

It's time for bed.

Challenge run
Beat EoSD lunatic with no V-patch.

Why are no cute streams anymore? They all just stopped.

>>10359165
>Why are no cute streams anymore?
I think you forgot a word anon.

Exxelent quit touhou
Nindella seems to be MIA
Riz is still streaming
And none of the IRCfags stream, at least not regularly.

It's a dead fad.

>>10359170
;_;
so mean forgetting me

>>10359170

Hey, I stream too you know D:
(Occasionally)

>>10359170
Eldestructoe, Seppostream and Adamar stream?

>>10359165
Sorry I'm not a cute girl ;_;

Anyone use vsync patch on linux (wine) ? I encountered this error for EoSD.

>>10359221
sorry, I don't speak mojibake

>>10359170
>Exellent quit
What?

>>10359223
Yeah, I should fix that too. Wine probably needs some extra fonts as it jp looks fine anywhere else.

I never knew taking a 3 year break could make me so bad at Touhou. Absolutely unbelievable.

twitch.tv/adamar09

Had a strange urge to play UFO, so let's fix that,

Anyone got any tips for getting passed Patchouli's Royal Flare card in the EoSD Extra? I always end up screwing up on that one.

>>10356060
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26361
|ω・）

>>10359254
I made that mistake, now I'm trying to relearn SA and just getting frustrated over Yuugi's spell cards. Yuugi isn't a gentle girl ;_;

>>10359212
They're shit though.

>>10359445
ur shit

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26363

eh, I could've done better if I didn't have to work...

also, any advice on Danmaku Bounded Field if I retry Phantasm?

>>10356060
Too easy
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26364

>>10359345
It's static.

>>10359497
It's static.

oh man, why is IN so pathetically easy

>>10359510
post scores or gtfo

>>10359510
ZUN got better as he made each game, so the difficulty levels increased to match

>>10359533
except 3's the hardest & 13's the easiest.

>>10359544
3 is the hardest? It's the only game besides EoSD, PCB, and LLS that I have beaten on hard.

Lunatic is crazy though.

>>10359544
>>10359547
... people actually play the PC98 ones?

>>10359533
Except IN is the best game in the series if you don't like scoring and just move on from games once you've beaten them.

>>10358766
again
>>10359445
fuck you

>>10356552
MoF is a bad recomendation, because in earlier games like EoSD PCB and IN you can die from random collision which are inexistant from MoF. Also MoF gives you bad habits.
Best game to begin are PCB and EoSD. PCB because it's easy and EoSD because you don't have to worry about bullshit gimmick. Also there are far less bullets in EoSD than in IN. spellcards are easier too. The only trap with PCB is that the difficulty gap hits later and is larger. Stage 5 in PCB is ridiculously hard if you compare it to stage 5 MoF.

>>10359551
Only the cool kids.

I like the music from them more than the windows ones most of the time.

>>10359170
>Riz is still streaming
Expect me to stream less until my keyboard comes back. In the meantime, I'll be doing radio sessions and silly stuff.
>>10359221
Do you have dll injection enabled in Wine?
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/9855517/#9876597
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Running_in_Linux_and_MacOS_X
>>10359244
Sounds more like a locale issue. That's also in the post I linked.
>>10359306
>Had a strange urge to play UFO, so let's fix that,
I am going nuts over not being able to play.
>>10359614
That seems to be common.

>>10359560
What does that have to do with difficulty level?

>>10359623
Do you use a mechanical keyboard?

>>10359663
Yes, but I'm getting it replaced because it's broken. I'm currently using one that isn't suitable for Touhou.

>>10359676

wait what? How is it not suitable? Aren't all keyboards fine for the purpose?

>>10359700
move diagonally + shoot doesn't always work with shitty $5 keyboards

>>10359170
I wonder why anonymizer/Heartbeam doesn't stream anymore.

I miss watching high level tourneyfagging action.

How is Venomous Moth's Dark Dance a stage 2 card, it's easily harder than any stage 3 cards in IN. I tried practising it but just started crying after about 100 reps.

>>10358651
practice makes perfect!

Yeah, that saying is complete and utter bullshit. After being unable to score after playing for 8 hours a day every day for four years straight, I had pretty much given up on it.

i love touhou!

>>10359769
It's not. Her last non-spell is the hardest thing she throws.

>>10359756

Well, having used a $5 shitty keyboard for most of my touhou playing, I can say for a fact that it doesn't allow you to move diagonally for whatever shit reason.

But a mechanical keyboard that isn't suitable for touhou?

>>10359700
No, the mechanical keyboard is fine. I'm currently using a membrane one as a replacement.

>>10359853

Oh sorry I read that wrong.

Yeah membrane keyboards are...not really useful for anything,,,

>>10359445
What makes a player non-shit in your opinion? I personally find Eldestructoe rather good.

>>10359886
Very funny.

Bad: Struggles with normal or hard.
Intermediate: 1cc's Normal and Hard, struggles a bit on Lunatic
Pretty good: 1cc Lunatics
Very good: 1cc Lunatics w restrictions like No bomb, competent at scoring
Great: Gets top 5 scores in more competitive categories (like say PCB Lunatic Reimu-B)

>>10360003
>>10359445
You know that these two posts are very contradicting, right?

>>10360003
What's your definition of struggles with?

>>10359544
>13's the easiest.
Oh wow, it is, it really is. I never bothered playing it before (I've been on SA this whole time).. I played one game on normal and I want to go to lunatic now. Nothing shoots at you ever

>>10360014
An intermediate player may have 1cc'd some of the easier games on Lunatic (like bomb spammed MoF) but does struggle in general with the patterns and has a hard time 1ccing, whereas a pretty good played would be more consistent, and would capture at least half of the spellcards (but probably more) in a run. Just my take on it, there's plenty of good players that will call themselves shit for whatever reason, but I think they're still pretty good.

>>10360029
when someone posts a top score and says something like "i'm so bad lol :V", it just means they want attention

>>10359510
Because you don't play for score.

>>10359560
Explain. It wasn't until the latest games that 'sitting at the bottom of the screen' wasn't the best way to play. IN is even worse because killing familiars destroys bullets. If it were so hard that you HAD to kill familiars OR DIE, then it would have been something.
Even the time points are worthless since the extra spells at the end are just optional.

>>10360067
I wouldn't go that far. They may have made a large mistake somewhere that they're unhappy with. But in some cases you might be right.

>>10360139
Do you even score?

>>10360139
Incorrect. IN was the first game where you have to be aggressive to score nicely. You are never at the bottom of the screen during stages portions and spell cards because you're too busy cancelling bullet spawns, blowing up enemies without killing familiars, or generally supergrazing.

>Even the time points are worthless since the extra spells at the end are just optional.
So you are completely clueless.

>>10360067
They are just people with bad personalities who can't express things without irony or negativity.

>>10360222
This. They're not as bad as Riz and his ego though.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26368

Inb4 some faggot doubles the score and says it's a shitty run because they missed a graze in stage 1

Just beat EoSD on normal with Reimu A after about a week of sporadic practice on EoSD. Feels pretty good, first 2hu shooter I've beaten now besides TD. At first it felt like the lack of a hitbox on focus would get me killed repeatedly but I guess you just kinda internalize it and know where it is after a while, wasn't too much of a problem. Also, are hitboxes a little smaller in EoSD compared to the later games? Felt like I made a lot of dodges that I shouldn't have survived.

>>10360342
Congratulations.

>>10360316
404

>>10359623
The one with wine issue here.
I did follow that wiki page, as I got the patch there. With or without setting locale (LANG), same error occurred. Also renamed th6e.exe to moon per readme instruction.

Also tried on PCB. Installed with no error. Not sure how significant the impact this patch supposed to give, but at least it run (for PCB).

>>10360067
That's just about every, "decent" western player ever. No matter how good they get, they always say that they're terrible. It's an ego boost thing, they say that they're terrible and then the players who are below them tell them that they're not, which in turn gives them a confidence boost.

>>10360355
Uploader a shit

Reuploaded http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26371

>>10360067
I think it's mostly for the ego boost as others have mentioned. In addition, most western players are just wasting talent, not effort. Most of those kinds of players don't put more than 2000 of hours into a games. They spend a couple hundred hours at most, get above average scores and that's it. I seriously doubt anyone with thousands of hours of practice would ever want to call their efforts "shit" or "bad." I haven't seen this with Japanese players, and I'm hoping that western players that put in that much effort wouldn't do that, too.

>>10360472
>I haven't seen this with Japanese players, and I'm hoping that western players that put in that much effort wouldn't do that, too.
I have seen it with some Japanese players. The only difference is that they don't rub it in wherever they go. Also, it should be noted that Touhou has not been known in the West for as long as in Japan. Having that amount of time in a game is revered even there. The kinds of players that have that amount of time are usually ones that have been competing in the older games since they were new.

No one seriously thinks the entirety of their playtime is nothing but shitplays, thousand or hundred hours. If they do, their standards are impossibly high, or they should start putting in more effort. Patting yourself on the back for achieving a goal that you set, even if above average or not impressive compared to the best, is fine. Even if others may think these goals take no genuine effort, effort is something not anyone can simply commit to. People deserve to feel happy even for the little (relative to the "best") achievements. For instance, you don't see anyone extremely disappointed about their first 1cc. It is a very satisfying and exhilarating moment.

As for players who feel negative about their scores, it shouldn't be automatically dismissed as an attempt to boost one's ego. Whoever wants to make that call should be knowledgeable about how the scoring system for that particular game works. Some mistakes that rarely happen will sometimes happen on your best run, and that is truly a shitplay the player is allowed to feel bad about.

A player should be unhappy with what he sees as a mistake, because he would otherwise become complacent. However, seeing every single thing as a mistake would be self-loathing. Personally, truly egotistical players do not know the meaning of "mistake." They'll use it whenever it seems convenient, and not when a true mistake has been made.

>>10360560
>revered
>indie shooter

>>10360692
Don't mix the doujin scene with those people please.

>>10360560
Are there even any score databases for PC98?

>>10360067
Perfectionists might not accept any mistakes on their part. People have different standard of quality. For example, I'd consider his first play beyond imagination by itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPSH8isLwwE

>>10360003
Probably the most retarded tier list I've ever seen.
0/10, apply yourself.

>>10360792
Good god.

>>10360641
Take your "small achievements" off this board, away from the 30 or so circlejerking irc faggots and you'll see they aren't small at all.
I talk to an awful lot of Touhou fans on a regular basis and only around 10 of them can 1cc some of the games on normal. 2 of them can 1cc them on hard though I've only seen replays from one. None have even thought about lunatic.

This is why I ignore and in all honestly couldn't give a fuck about the opinions of anyone here who have the nerve to call people bad when they're not.
Normal and to a lesser extent hard looks easy to me now, but I don't forget how much time I had to invest to get my 1cc's of those modes. Especially my first time playing the games which took me almost 2 weeks to 1cc EoSD (my first shmup) on normal.
I don't know of a single other genre that has ever taken me 2 weeks to beat a 25 minute long game on normal mode like that. Infact I don't hardly ever play any games on normal these days, I always go for the most difficult option and still end up doing fine.

Anyway too long of a post for such a simple message I am trying to get across.

>>10360924
I understand anon.

>>10360342
fuck year, jumped back on TD and beat it on lunatic first try like it wasn't shit. feels so good to see myself improve and dodge shit that I'd die to 9 times out of 10 a month ago.

>>10360924
I found EoSD tough after starting on TD but UFO still feels way harder. Always find myself getting greedy trying to grab red UFOs and end up getting killed by stupid shit. Murasa is such an awesome midgame boss, all her spells feel pretty fun even though they're frustrating. Have you guys done a UFO score competition yet? Seems like it'd have the potential for some good replays. Fairy wars too.

>>10361008
You just 1cc'd TD lunatic when you struggled to beat EoSD normal?
I call bullshit on that.

>>10361044
>claims you can't win without talent
>person shows talent
>calls bullshit

>>10361115
The same talent to beat EoSD Normal with.

>>10361115
>claims I claimed something that I never claimed
Uh huh

>>10361044
Sorry, should have been clearer. I beat it with continues, couldn't even do that before in the past. Miko was trashing me, though I did get pretty close. Do people not consider it a lunatic clear unless it's 1cc?

>>10361202
It's a clear, but using continues ruins the game so what's the point?

>>10361214
It's fun?

>>10361218
It's more fun if you don't use continues and don't watch replays and only see what's around the corner through hard work. Trust me.

>>10361202
It's better to specify whether it's 1CC or not (and in that case, state where you used the continue).

Welp. I've been practicing Remi everyday for the past 4 days for around 4 hours each day.
I have made no fucking progress at all. How depressing.
The only thing I want is to be able to capture that fucking opener and her first spell flawlessly 90% of the time. Is that so much to ask for?

This is a rare case of my eyes actually being able to see the gaps but my hands/finesse letting me down by not making the correct movements to get through them. Usually it's the other way around.

>>10361265
Oh I'm talking about lunatic, just to clarify.

>>10361293
Cheer up anon. Bubbles are terrible in EoSD.

>>10361293
>Scarlet Meister

At any rate, good luck with remi.

just downloaded Akashicverse... it's weird

>>10357779
I got past the Prismriver sisters.
Now Youmu is being mean.
Youmu.
Youmu please.
Please stop, Youmu.

Only Touhou I've been able to finish with good end is 7.5

Thanks to Patchouli and her Royal Flare.

>>10361809
You wouldn't be interested in playing 7.5 online would you?

>>10361756
Youmu isn't bad when you realize that her slowdown neuters most of her cards.

>>10360792
DOLCE is a goddamn robot. Highest scores with half (or less) the plays.

Here, have some LISU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTj1xPkVN9Y

>>10359505

that doesn't help, really...

>>10361963
Watch a replay and emulate that.

>>10361963
Then you're irredeemably clueless.

>>10361963
Stay shit, scrub.

This is the only fucking game I know of that makes me worse as I go on.

I've been trying to 1cc EoSD on Normal for a few hours now. I noticed that I'm getting better with respect to collecting items and taking down midbosses fast but I die earlier with each attempt.

What the fuck am I doing wrong? Do I just need to take a break?

>>10359497
>any advice on Danmaku Bounded Field if I retry Phantasm?
Just play Phantasm, Foam, Shadow for a while.

>>10362172
Collecting items increases the rank. Maybe that's what's getting you.

>>10362184

Really?

I didn't notice a surplus of projectiles. That's pretty crazy...

I'll try again tomorrow; I've been bitch-slapped for putting effort into something.

Streaming for like 15 minutes:
livestream.com/touhougameplay
I'm going to break the world record for the EoSD extra stage because I'm a super awesome score player and shit.

>>10362869
>playing for score
>terrible stream quality
>metal
I'll pass

Anyone here ever play Judgement Silversword for the Wonderswan Color?

I've been playing it a bit lately and it's pretty fun.

>>10363044
You ever play with this?
*whips out dick*

I've been playing with it lately and it's pretty fun too.

>>10358766
dicks etc.

>>10363065
LMAO!

Anyone played Zero Gunner 2?

/jp/ pls strm

Are the PC98 games good? Trying to get this fucking emulator configured to load them up but it's being a bitch.

>>10364435
>Are the PC98 games good?
Nah.

>>10364435
they're better than the 2nd generation windows games.
which emulator are you using? Anex worked for me without having to configure anything other than the controls.

>>10364435
Nah the PC98 games are all shit

>>10360376
Just tried. It seems you put more dll files than you need. You should put vpatch.exe, vpatch.ini and vpatch_th06.dll from vsync patch and rename preferable game executable to 東方紅魔郷.exe. After that you should run the game with this:
LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 wine vpatch.exe
I guess that you still need to run "setcap cap_sys_ptrace+epi /usr/bin/wineserver" (from wiki) to allow the patch to modify game executable.

How do I go into trance in Ten Desires? I'm using a keyboard

>>10364596
Press C

>>10364596
Should be C on default scheme. p.s. http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki

>>10364576
Anex... yeah I guess I'm just a retard, I can probably get it if I fuck with it a bit.

>>10364596
Your trance gauge needs to be full before you can trance, by the way. That's the gauge on the bottom left. Grey orbs fill it faster than blues.

>>10364610
Ah, no wonder. I pressed every button on my keyboard trying to get it to work. I thought I only needed one skull each.

Was able to get to Seiga without dieing, but I lost all of my lives to her. Only on normal.

>>10364616
Haha, baby steps, mang. We've all been there. If you're dying to spells I recommend you try grinding them a bit in practice mode. Don't allow yourself to get tunnel vision; I noticed that as I've improved a bit, when I open my eyes and look past my immediate area it becomes far easier to dodge and avoid kill zones. I just realized today I was overcomplicating the fuck out of one of the stage 6 boss' cards, make sure you're not doing that on any of Seiga's.

Better players can probably help more here but I think it's best to memorize when the fairies that drop health/ bomb fragments appear, save your trance for them, and trance at the last moment to kill them and grab the fragments. They fill faster in trance. Sometimes you just gotta blow them on boss spells or "oh shit" situations though, I guess.

>>10364631
My main problem I am noticing is being too greedy with items. I end up dying trying to grab a spirit. I also need to stop being cocky. I'm always at point blank range against Yuyuko to get more blue spirits, and end up dieing stupidly. I think Yuyuko is very easy, but I just end up dieing right after I capture a spell card and run up to get the spirits.
Also, I need to bomb. I'm hoarding them and they are being put to waste.

>>10364576
>they're better than the 2nd generation windows games.
As much as I dislike UFO and TD, I'd have to say that you're greatly exaggerating there.

>>10364638
>Also, I need to bomb. I'm hoarding them and they are being put to waste.

Yeah that's something I'm kinda struggling with myself. I've heard some people say it's cool to bomb your way through tough cards from the beginning while others tell you that it creates bad habits and that you should always try to conserve for death-bombs or notorious spell cards. Curious if any better players have an opinion on that.

Besides that just sounds like memorization mostly. Once you learn the stages and boss spell/ non-spell progressions, you'll learn when it's safe to jump up to grab items/ spirit orbs post-wave and when it's best to let them go.

I think you also learn smarter risk taking over time, I definitely find myself letting stuff go that I might have died trying to grab in the past, also I guess you get more confident on bomb conservation so you have them for the really tough spots. UFO feels like a really good game to build risk-taking habits because you'll get raped if you make a lot of dumb grabs for UFOs.

>I'm always at point blank range against Yuyuko
You've probably noticed shooting at point-blank does more damage too, I think it's usually called shotgunning. I think most people would consider it essential, along with shit like streaming and deathbombing.

Sometimes I wish m00t would run robot9000 on jp. Just for one week.

>>10364677
Not the same anon, but my thought on bombs has always been pretty negative unless I'm going for a 1cc. I'm very much used to bombing = absolutely murdering your score from the pachi series. And not only that, Ketsui doesn't even let you see the ever so awesome Ura loop if you bomb.

And if I ram my head against difficult patterns in practice without bombing, my general dodging skill increases. I always used to bomb the shit out of everything, even in practice, and wondered why I wasn't improving at all.

>>10364677
>You've probably noticed shooting at point-blank does more damage too, I think it's usually called shotgunning.
This is only true for Sanae unfocused and Marisa focused (and unfocused during patterns where the boss gains a wider hitbox)..

>>10358563
That sounds like shit. he sohould really stop talking,.

I got some CAVE stuff in the mail if that counts.

who homu here

Question. The replay menu in EoSD shows how many points you've got in each stage of said replay, from 1 to 6 up until Extra. I thought Extra is a separate stage? Why is it listed as if it can be done in a single playthrough along with the rest of the game?
Sorry if that's unclear, I'm not really sure how to phrase this.

>>10366180
Just because.

>>10366180
It's like that in every game, not only in EoSD. It just simplifies things from ZUN's perspective when programming and probably organizing. Nothing you should lose several hours of sleep over.

>>10366180
Dicks. I hadn't noticed that before. This completely ruins my experience with these games. :(

>>10364435

I'm using NEXT and it's working just fine, no lags either on a decent enough machine.

Yes, the games are good. I like 2 and 5 a lot. They're pretty underappreciated nowadays, at least outside of Nihon.

>>10364435
>>10366541

Uploaded all 5 PC-98 games with the emulator.
To start playing, the first thing you do is click the white space next to the red thing under HD Drive #1, pick the game you want and press the top left button to fire the game up. Controls should be the same like the Windows games. There's no focus in Story of Eastern Wonderland.

Derek said it's fine, by the way.

>>10366549
Forgot link: http://rapidshare.com/files/1082187860/Touhou%20PC98%20Pack%201-5%20(%2Bemu).rar

Keep losing my lives on Primsivers. And strangely, I can get past Youmu easily without losing any lives thanks to the slowdown.

Any tips, anon?

>>10366615
Use bombs.

>>10366620
As cryptic as it gets, it actually helps me made past Primsivers without losing a single life.

Thank you.

>>10356017
I'd enjoy any survival that's next to impossible to perfect (so it's not an auto-restart at the first mistake). Something like EoSD L NB clear percentage (tiebreakers: lives -> score). Maybe an easier game/difficulty with a funky handicap.

>>10366986
>clear percentage
Now, that's something I forgot about. It's only in the early games, but it's not a bad idea.

>>10367000
You could figure it out from a screenshot and a few words pretty well in any game. No bomb survival is a good idea.

How can some people play nothing but stage practice? It's just so boring that I can't stand to play another scoring run of ST4 PCB because it's just so monotone. But at the same time, it feels like I won't improve at all if I don't use it. Fuck. I've only been playing it for one hour and I can already feel the burnout.

>>10367083
>It's just so boring that I can't stand to play another scoring run of ST4 PCB because it's just so monotone. But at the same time, it feels like I won't improve at all if I don't use it.
The cherry routes are all fucked up in stage practice at that point anyway due to decreased cherry item value, so it isn't really going to help you out with scoring in full runs except for during the boss portion maybe.

>>10366986
I'd need to think of something that isn't EoSD LNB, though. Several people here can clear it.

>>10367091
Oh, I didn't know that about the cherry items. But I guess it makes sense now. I've only put maybe three hours into scoring(stage practice) so far, and it's already making me want to bash my head against a brick wall. I'm sure it's one of those things that get more fun as you play it more, as I feel the same way each time I'm presented with a higher challenge. I guess I just feel bad because of how long it took me to be able to begin scoring.

>>10367127
You could always go for LNBNF while playing with just your thumbs or feet.

>>10367083
Hmm... For the survival players, playing only or mainly stage practice might make sense. Survival in Touhou, unless you restrict yourself, is generally pretty easy. The dodging however, not so much. Therefore a survival player might be more inclined to stick to stage practice so that he/she may play the later stages more rather than playing full runs which would involve being bored with the first three stages.

Even score players will benefit greatly from spending most of their time in practice modes to develop as high consistency as possible on the more difficult to pull off tricks. However, Touhou's practice methods are unfortunately quite lackluster in case of games like UFO or PCB so those are exempt from this.

Please stream /jp/

>>10367428
testing new stream program, won't last long
www.twitch.tv/yoishi_

Just gameovered to Flying Fantastica.

1ccing this game again seems like a ridiculous hurdle.

>>10359551
What's wrong with them?

hey /stg/ do you remember me?

http://www.livestream.com/oskarvanbruce

streaming some UFO. I've had a hellish holiday, but I think I'll be able to stream more frequently. Still no voice though.

Hey jp, if anyone is feeling bored or something, I'd like it if someone could make me a UFO hard replay showing the most optimal UFO route. I don't really care how well you do in boss fights or anything like that, so don't worry if you fail alot of spell cards. Infact it's fine if you don't even 1cc the game, I just need the UFO route from stage 1 to Shou.

>>10370397
http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud0e5a.rpy

>>10370408
Is that a world record, perchance?

>>10370413
I couldn't think of anything more optimal than shin's current top scoring play.

>>10370408
No offense but this doesn't help me at all. He's not even going for red UFO's.

>>10370480
Just keep watching and try to play like he does.You'll get it sooner or later.

>>10370480
Well you asked for the optimal UFO route and you got it. Shin is one of the few people in the world who is actually good at UFO so if you want to be good, copy that. You won't need the reds.

If what you were asking for is a survival UFO route, I can only recommend one thing. Fucking don't.

Improvize that stuff. You will get an insane amount of resources if you just stick to all red UFO's. If you are in a situation with a lot of fixed colored UFO tokens you should summon a rainbow one since that will release a ufo upon being filled up as well as one upon being destroyed meaning you can almost get one additional Red summoning out of it.

Don't plan too hard and keep playing. It's better for you.

>>10370733
I would have never cleared LUFO without careful planning.

>>10370743
You clearly didn't have enough practice then. The game is possible to clear no-miss no-bombs. Better to develop the skills to survive more patterns than just working out a rigid UFO route with zero flexibility.

I see far too many people complain about making mistakes in their UFO chains and restarting over it. That's why I suggest not bothering with learning UFO routes and just improvizing them.

>>10370777
Improvisation or such meticulous planning you'll restart over it are both worse options than adapting to the situation at hand while having a plan. If you know the game well enough, if and when you fuck up you can make a plan B right away. It's almost improvisation.

I'm waiting for your stream /jp/ ;_;

>>10370733
I don't want to get good at UFO. I can't stand the game.
I want a survival UFO route from stage 1 to stage 5 so I can beat it for completion sake then I'll never play it again.

So again, if somebody is bored and has some spare time to kill, I'd appreciate a hard mode replay showing a good UFO route.

>>10370920
>hates game
>plays game
If you weren't so obsessed with adding 1 to your completed games level, maybe you'd play something else.

>>10371036
I am playing other things though.
What are you talking about?

>>10371049
He is calling you a n00b because you play a game you ´can't stand´. Why do you care about ´completion´ the game isnt ´complete´ after you clear it, especially if you aren´t even playing lunatic n00b.

>>10371058
lol whatever.

http://www.twitch.tv/cactu1
Playing TD.

>>10370920
Not being able to stand the game usually have something to do with sucking at it. I used to suck and I hated it too.

Then one day, i decided to actually do something about it to get some closure on the game and as a result, i learned the game and realized it is the best in the series bar none.

>>10371086
Good for you. I don't suck at it though. I can get to stage 6 on hard constantly with no UFO route at all. That's with playing it for around 6 hours altogether.
The game is the worst in the series bar none.

>>10371086
I like touhou but I suck at it. Explain that, NERD!

>>10371120
that means you got a good attitude towards playing.
>>10371109
6 hours is probably not enough to not suck for most. First of all, Hard mode is a joke. The real awesomeness awaits on Lunatic. Not being able to handle Lunatic = sucking. I suck at UFO too. It's bar none the hardest game in the windows series with the most complicated patterns. That's why it's the best but you need more than just 6 hours to understand this

>>10371132
I've been playing for under a month and have already beat all the games besides UFO (because I don't play it) on hard and EOSD, PCB, and IN on lunatic. I don't suck at all.
Also I don't find it difficult, I do however find it incredibly boring.
Boring enough that I want someone else to show me their UFO route because I want nothing to do with this game. Since nobody wants to show me their route though, I'll ignore UFO like I've been doing and continue enjoying the other games.

>>10371163
Play it on lunatic and I can show you a route, lol.

>>10371086
Liking something has to come naturally, not something you force yourself through for merit like "lol HURDEST GAME" or "everyone says its the best!!!" When you genuinely like something, you will want to play it more, thus improving more. Alternatively, someone is allowed to not like a game because they think it's shit and not play it. With the lack of practice due to not playing it, they will, undeniably, suck at it. That's how it's more likely to be, "I don't like the game, consequently I suck at it" rather than "I suck at it therefore I don't like the game." That is especially the case with UFO, it's not his fault if he finds it so boring that he can't force himself to play it much. Unlike you, not everyone has to be good at a game to like it; that's nothing more than Riz-level egoism.

>>10371174
Actually I forced myself to play UFO for merit and I eventually liked it once I got better.

|･ω･｀)

>>10360792
>>10361951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBSqRbkypI

I beat the extra stage on PCB, not the phantasm, how good am I?

>>10371618
Awful

>>10371618
Okay.

>>10371618
The best.

>>10371618
Shit.

>>10371618
Average

>>10371618
Better than me.

>>10371618
Goodlike

>>10371618
Better than satan.

>>10371618
I found every /jp/ touhou poll's results (regarding games, not character popularity) to be very similar to thwiki's ones. So for simplicity you can always use thwiki polls for reference.

>>10371691
Can't find them, can you link?

>>10371746
http://thwiki.info/th/vote4/, http://thwiki.info/th/vote4/ and so on up to vote9
You can use google translate if you don't know moonspeak.
Also to all the guys arguing about which game is harder: according to the polls SA Lunatic > UFO lunatic. You can't deny statistics.

I'm getting closer to a 1cc normal of UFO!

>>10371818
The key to beating UFO is to stack lives by collecting only the Red Ufo's

>>10371820
I know! I would have won if I didn't accidentally get a blue UFO a few times on stage 6.

Streaming some Touhou 11 things and then maybe some other stuff who knows: www.twitch.tv/nindella

Streaming some Touhou badly, http://www.twitch.tv/nindella

>>10371818
You even have higher score than my recent 1cc UFO.

>>10372784
Capping any of Byakuren's later spells on a normal run is an amazing score boost on a shitty survival run.

Think I had one that captured the flying scroll only to game over later that had a better score than the eventual 1cc. (In other news, how the HELL do you capture that one without a homing shot?)

>>10372800
Follow Byakuren around until you find yourself in the left corner. Then camp here while dodging the bullets. It's quite an elementary card and one of her easiest.

>>10371174
It's like beer, an acquired taste.

>>10371174
Well said.

>>10373254

I wouldn't call it easy when you can get nervous about the thick barrages. the 1st and 4th waves are quite thick and random.

streaming some TD... because I should do that no-trance 1cc to restore my honor.

http://es.twitch.tv/oskarvanbruce

maybe I'll play some UFO or IN later.

New thread?

>>10374097
>>10374151