/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Why are there two if they're both in English?

>>10506592
The UK one has stuff like "m8" and "gans"

Some kind of Flayable Heart fandisc centered on the black haired chick, aka the best girl?

>>10506592
One machine was British so you get more lorries and bobbies. The other machine was American so you get more cheeseburgers and freedom.

>>10506592
Do you prefer colour or color? Harbour or harbor? Knickers or panties?

>>10506600

It's a completely new story with the same characters and some of the setting details from Flyable Heart.

I hated Mayuri's route in Flyable Heart (it was just painful), but I really liked this.

>>10506598

USA:
Oy sempai! Would you like to have hambagas and yellow freedom sticks on the school roof away of the black gangs warfare?
BGM: USA national anthem


UK:
Hey, m8 u wnna hve fishn' chips n'the rooftop, comm'n cunt I checkd'n Sharia llows eet.
BGM: Benny Hill theme

>>10506636
yeah it was basically UnisonShift realizing they'd fucked up after Mayuri won their popularity poll and giving her her own game to make up for her lackluster route.

>>10506652

Why is it so easy to make fun of a UK accent but not the US's? Is it because we speak proper English?

>Oy sempai!

You blew it, never heard a US citizen say oy.

>>10506664
You better cut this shit out right now.

>>10506664
Oy vey.

>>10506664
dunno, I find both of them retarded

for fuck's sake, if I try I can imitate UK one

USA accent I cannot

>>10506679

It's because they don't have accents, it's "default" english besides some places in the south, chicago, etc.

>>10506661
You can fsck Mayuri, but you can't tuna fish.

>>10506693
This joke again?

>>10506668
Don't use my picture.

>We will now be discriminating against especially bad translations
>VNTLS
pooder! good job!

>>10506829
We're not sure why they even bothered listing it, but a community based on hubris is ultimately unsustainable.

90% of the board is wiped and this thread is among those spared.

Truly there is no justice on /jp/.

Is this machine translated?

>>10506686

Everyone hears the dialect they're most used to as "accentless", regardless of how strong the accent is. Those Chinese speaking something barely recognisable as English? In their heads they sound similar to how you hear yourself.

Unless you study linguistics, and train your ear, you cannot hear what you, and the people around you truly sound like. You can hear the differences in how people speak, but cannot discern why they sound different.

You also hear a false version of other accents, with the differences emphasized, which drowns out the subtlety. While A Briton may have absolutely no idea how to tell a Boston accent from a New York one, it will be immediately obvious to a New Yorker that a Bostonian isn't speaking the same as them. Shit, Canadian and American accents aren't immediately discernible to those outside America, without having extensively interacted with, or studied, them. Same with New Zealanders and Australians. Yet the residents of these two countries will hear the differences more clearly and may not understand why foreigners cannot.

The concept of accentless English is nonsense, as the language has evolved for so long that no individual dialect can be defined as "correct", with the others derived from it. Most dialects will share something in common with an archaic form which the speakers will use to claim their dialect is the "true" one, but all dialects are also roughly equally different from this archaic form as well.

In short, what is familiar isn't necessarily superior.

>>10506937
awww, so sore? Filtering out shitty translations is great thing for whole community! pooder, just pack your crap and go to India or wherever your ""english" speaking audience" is located.

hoo m8 if this is sum o that soft southern shite a'll translate it ta propa northern english fo ya

>>10507099
Actually, you're wrong, the thread was not spared.

>advertises as revolutionary translation method
>1.5 years for short VN
>quality is abysmal, elementary school(or lower) level english.

Cudder, how do I learn Z80 assembly?

Cudder please can you give us an interview about how this glorious project was made?

>>10507521
https://translate.google.com/

>>10507521
Seconding this. I see Cudder as like one of those people who sit on newsgroups all day and write about aliens. They're clearly intelligent enough people, I just don't understand how they do what they do.

>>10507525
+cheap labor from china

>>10507500

'ello govnah

>US vs. UK

Reminds me of that manga in which butt was translated as arse.

And it kinda ruined the whole fucking thing.

cuddersama please bear my children kudasai

>>10507638

Butt is cute.

Arse is like a big hairy man arse.

I can see why this would trouble you.

Ass is lewd, I think.

>>10507528
>how they do what they do
see >>10507525

>>10507521
Search archive for 'KNNWSNY'.

The UK vs US downloads statistics are interesting.

Hey, Cudder. I just want you to know that I enjoy your posts about embedded software, ISAs and the like. Take it easy!

Is this game good? Should I bother looking for it?

>>10510527
What goes on in /prog/, stays in /prog/.

>>10510533
Do you like Mayuri?

>>10510533
if you like reading engrish, yeah.
>quality is abysmal, elementary school(or lower) level english.

>>10510676
>elementary school(or lower) level english.
You're implying that it's really easy to read.

>>10510533
Compared to FH? Yeah

>>10517159
That's a good thing.

Cudder what was your translation methodology and philosophy for this project?

>>10519590
He chose our fully managed solution.

>>10519604
Interesting. Is there a rechan-faq.txt I can read? Or maybe an infographic, if you're being all enterprise and modern.

>>10519604
Defuk?

>>10519611
The basic package includes
* One RWI project with limits of 256 files, 20K rows per file, 4MB of data
* Accounts for up to 4 users
* Non-Text resource extraction and editing
* Patch and installer development
* Verification on latest XP, Vista, and Win7 client platforms
* Weekly status announcements
* Release management and announcement to 4 sites
* Six months of technical support and updates after first release
* Free custom extra bonus feature

>>10507462
Its kinda true though for the north west in the US. The dialect spoken here is the most "neutral" English, by and large. As in the least amount of slang, and the most dictionary, along with no drawl, and clear enounced syllables.

Thats not to say its some perfect English spoken here, not at all. But when agencies and schools look for English translators and ESL teachers, on average the highest payed ones come from the north west.

>>10519758
>* One RWI project with limits of 256 files, 20K rows per file, 4MB of data

Not sure I get these limits. So they all apply?
Seems pretty arbitrary to not just go by total lines or whatever. Like when shared web hosts allow 100mb of disk space, but only 10mb per mailbox.

A bit rough but still miles better than flyable hearts patch.

>>10519901
Find a VN that surpasses any of those limits, and someone willing to translate it, and they may change. The file and row limits are for performance reasons so we strongly recommend staying within them (and ideally ~10K rows per file); the total size is a hard limit.

Updated links:
EN-UK mtac74eb83u9nfw
EN-US 4mnri4nd3a4qlry

ageru

>>10526974
Holy crap Cudder how long are you going to keep this up?

>>10527376
You think I'd be up at 3AM posting on /jp/? Seriously, WTF.

Download statistics show that a considerable number prefer UK English. Good.

>>10529534
sup aaeru

Eeh... what's the meta behind this translation? There seems to be something interesting going on.

Hatsukoi never.

never forget

>>10532474
What?

>>10532511
It's coming along... last update 2 weeks ago.

>>10506589

I hope you're ready for two months of Cudder ghost bumping his shit and then some wildly inflated and completely unbelievable numbers about how it's a runaway success.

Most downloaded VN ever!

>>10534499
Reminds me of Milky Holmes PSP ``community'' spamproject.

>>10532474
Cudder spent two years spamming threads for projects that were very obviously machine translated while claiming that they weren't. His excuse is that people shouldn't have standards for English or accuracy and as long as any translation exists, we should lap it up. He also made a godawful web-based translation tool that nobody in their right mind would ever use and tries to push it all the time. He also thinks that he's a corporation.

>>10534528
So is this a machine translation or what?

>>10534549
Isn't it obvious?

>>10521636

Where's the web site for this project? Why isn't it on vndb? Why can't Cudder reveal the name of the tanslation software he used?

Don't forget Cudder's greatest triumph.
"Lover is a Male Daughter."

http://vndb.org/t3752
http://vndb.org/t3753

>>10506589
>translation patch for 君の名残は静かに揺れて
noooooooooooooooooooooo

>>10534499
6 millions of downloads

>>10534746
Wildly popular in Indonesia!

>>10534746
Sounds like a hoax.

>>10534628

>>10523540
>Find a VN that surpasses any of those limits
>256 files

You clearly have not seen almost any formats. I can name probably at least a hundred. It'd be easier to just name company formats.

I can't believe he used that awful pun of a title.

I'm surprised they are still translating "sis-con" as stereo-component.

>>10534528
>His excuse is that people shouldn't have standards for English or accuracy and as long as any translation exists, we should lap it up.
Well, why don't you?
>He also made a godawful web-based translation tool that nobody in their right mind would ever use and tries to push it all the time. He also thinks that he's a corporation.
Who gives a flying fuck. Seriously, I can't understand how some of you can be so interested in this whole guy, especially when you're so serious that I can see the word "intelligence" posted in this thread. This has been going on forever. Are you SA regulars or something?

>>10536248
>Who gives a flying fuck.
I do. Cudder is a funny clown ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10534499
There are currently around 2 orders of magnitude fewer downloads of this than FH, and that doesn't include all the mirrors and torrents that have shown up.

>>10534528
Stop putting words in my mouth.
>excuse is that people shouldn't have standards for English or accuracy and as long as any translation exists, we should lap it up.
Wrong. Different people have different standards. If you don't like this translation then you're free to do your own, but don't be complaining about others who do this work on their own time and of their own enjoyment just because they don't meet your standards: They're not doing it for you!

>>10534549
You wish. It wouldn't've taken this long if we had the technology to produce this level of output. You'd also be seeing a lot more patches being released, a lot faster.

>>10534579
Google "flyabletrans". VNDB refuses to list it because it's not good enough for them (but apparently being "official", whatever that means, suddenly makes translation quality irrelevant and they'll list it anyway --- go figure.)

>>10534628
That has absolutely nothing to do with me.

>>10535037
In that case, just catenate files together to stay below the limit. We'll do whatever engines there are out there... something we haven't seen before will just have a longer lead time for NRE (R&D and tooling).

so, guys, when is fryable hearts coming out?

>>10538348
>but don't be complaining about others who do this work on their own time and of their own enjoyment just because they don't meet your standards: They're not doing it for you!

Yeah, also, you're just jealous of cudder's coding skills! If you're so good, why don't you translate it yourself?! If you don't like it, just go away, don't say anything if you don't have anything nice to say.

There, I completed your '14 year old on deviantart' defense for you. You're welcome.

>>10538348
>If you don't like this translation then you're free to do your own
Everything you did for the "VNTL community" you did it wrong.

Stick with what you can do. Find a group or a real translator and stick with the technical aspect of things instead of trying to do everything by yourself and end up releasing garbage.

Human translations get bashed everytime. Even people with JLPT1 get covered in shit for every tiny mistake they make. And for a good reason, because quality matters.

Here you release an unedited guesslation made by an Indian who barely speaks english and you expect an ovation?

Get a clue, you and your shills are forced to necrobump this crap here because it gets deleted everywhere else.

Cudder ruins another game with his ``translation''. More news at 11. I also like how he refers to himself as ``we'', or ``me and my team''. Who's that team? Your cock and your right hand?

>>10538354
You can get it from the same site. If you mean the other translation project, according to current rate (and their line total, which strangely seems to be changing) that will be done in around 7.77(!) years.

>>10538443
We don't care what the "community" of the old culture thinks.

>Even people with JLPT1 get covered in shit for every tiny mistake they make. And for a good reason, because quality matters.
Those's exactly the sort of self-entitled bigots we don't care to please. If you don't like it, that doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't either. Why is being a "grammar-nazi" considered a bad thing...?

>>10538469
http://forums.fuwanovel.org/index.php?/topic/233-shit-translators%e2%80%94youre-trashing-my-favourite-stories/

>Get a clue, you and your shills are forced to necrobump this crap here because it gets deleted everywhere else.
Actually /jp/ and VNDB have a much highly negative response than everywhere else, because they are still mostly associated with the old culture.

>>10538546
oh boy I can't wait for the "new culture" of practically incomprehensible translations with terrible accuracy!

Oh wait, we've always fucking had those. You're not bringing anything new to the table other than a bunch of bullshit.

>>10538546
>Those's exactly the sort of self-entitled bigots we don't care to please.
No Cudder, you can't just go and spam your crap and expect people to stay silent just because "it's free! you have no right to complain!".

It's not the first time you pull this shit off (FH, Milky Holmes, etc). This is incompetence. If you want people to respect you, then try to do things properly: find a real translator, a real editor, a real team, and more importantly, don't make yourself look like an idiot with your "RETrans International Corporation" bullshit.

>install video narrated by Cudder
best part of all this

>The file you attempted to download is an archive that is damaged or possibly encrypted. MediaFire does not support unlimited downloads of broken or encrypted archives and the limit for this file has been reached. This file may only be distributed from a premium account.

>>10538546
You still didn't explain about those mysterious other persons you are always mentioning in your posts with ``we''.

>>10539712
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HexKjQhObWY

This is pretty much how I imagined her to sound.

Do you guys watch Emmerdale?

>>10539740
Didn't you read the page?

>Testing REtrans International and Aaeru@Fuwanovel

All two of them.

>>10539755
I could never get into it. It's still better than EastEnders or Coronation Street, though. Farming just has more interesting day to day shit going on.

>>10539763
But we all know Aaeru is Cudder (and ZUN!bar, too). Those don't count.

>>10539772
Multiple personalities are different people, you dissociatophobic.

>>10539755
Literally only the second instance of "Emmerdale" on /jp/ ever.

I'm so disappointed in you guys.

>>10538637
>expect people to stay silent
We don't. Constructive criticism is welcome, bashing and insults are not.

>>10539726
Updated links, read thread...

>things properly: find a real translator, a real editor, a real team
What is "properly", "real"? Is that another one of those ingroup-outgroup separating buzzwords? Think about that carefully... Also, to adopt a similar saying, "translators don't just fall from the skies." You may not see value in what we do, but given that there are many others already reading VNs with MT and need to setup everything to do so, even if this translation is pure MT (and it most definitely isn't) it would have value to them for it easily accessible by installing a patch.

>>10539712
>>10539744
I didn't produce that, and I sound nothing like it.

>>10539740
Because they do not wish to be identified, so why should I disclose their identities? All I can say is, we're a small team here.

UK:US ratio remains relatively constant, interesting. (MF new UI is aggravatingly opaque: WTF is wrong with "UI designers" these days, hiding all the bloody useful information that used to be easily visible like the filesize, and the download count?!)

>>10543254

Cuddler-chan, your links aren't working anymore. Can you upload to another website?

>>10543268
>Cuddler-chan, your links aren't working anymore
yay!

>>10543254
Are you going to bump this thread until it reaches the bump limit?
Are you going to ramake a new thread when this one reaches the bump limit?

>>10538637

Not Cudder, but if people are so upset about his work, why not offer to help correct his English instead of bash him?

VNDB and /jp/ both want more games translated, and at the very least Cudder has the tools and desire to start. After everything's been extracted and passed over at least once, it could be given to a 'native' who would touch up the story and make it 'better' in English.

To put it another way, how can a non-Japanese be sure any translation is accurate in the first place? We assume the translations like Ib, GA, and KnS, and are correct, but there's no way to actually know. If we can't be certain the stories are 'accurate' then why do we still read them?

It's because what is important is getting a good story. The readers want a story that is gripping, engaging, and compelling. I'm not saying we should sacrifice the original meaning and intent of the story, but that the story should be written in a way that will best reach it's audience.
Take, for example, Panty & Stocking. Panty was not nearly as crass in the Japanese dub as in the English one. But, similarly, when showing P&S to my English friends, almost all of them prefer the English dub. Why? Because the humor fits theirs, because 'Repent Motherfucker' fits so much better than the Japanese phrase, because the translators were able to faithfully adapt the story across cultural lines. You'll find similar examples in FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, and other 'hit' series in the English community. It's not the 'accuracy' of the translation that made these series great, it was the quality of the story presented in English, which reflected what the spirit of the Japanese writing in a way accessible to the English audience.


So, basically, why not have Cudder extract the raw text and translation, then work together to revise the story into something everyone can enjoy? If we do this, we can encourage more VN translation while also improving the overall quality of the VNs available.

>>10543391
>why not have Cudder extract the raw text and translation
Because Cudder doesn't want that. Cudder wants attention. Every single one of his "projects" ends up in spam basically (see this very thread, or the previous milky holmes necrobumping that lasted months).

Cudder is all about insane spam, "we", "RWI", "RETrans International Corporation" and Anonymous translators that nobody ever heard of or seen posting anywhere.

>>10543391
Because "don't use machine translation" counts as bashing to him.

Once upon a time, years ago, people did work on his translation projects. Cudder trolled them by fucking with their translations (for the lols, he said) and then simply overwriting them with machine output. He doesn't want a quality product. He just wants attention.

>>10543391
Have you seen the bitching that goes on in the VNTL status threads over the translation of some little phrase? It's not about machine translation or not, it's not about Cudder, it's about "I think I know Japanese better than you, therefore you shouldn't translate (but I won't either)."

>>10544735
Go back to bed, Cud-tan.

>>10543391
I have no problem with properly translating (what most weeaboos call "localizing") something. In fact, I agree with this documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0

However, you can't fix up machine translation. You can fix spelling and grammar mistakes, but if the translation itself is wrong, then you're just polishing a turd. This is exactly the sort of thing that requires human creativity to be true enough to the original *and* understandable to an English speaker. We'd need some pretty advance natural language processing AI before this is possible with a machine, and frankly we're nowhere near there yet.

>>10544735
Wrong as usual. It's "You don't know Japanese. You shouldn't be translating."

>>10543254
> MF new UI is aggravatingly opaque: WTF is wrong with "UI designers" these days, hiding all the bloody useful information that used to be easily visible like the filesize, and the download count?!

Of course, they should go with your JavaScript-free design.

Kind of wish Yui had her own alternate take game.

>>10545927
>Thread bumped once every 8 hours
Hi Cudder.

>>10543391
>VNDB and /jp/ both want more games translated
/jp/, somewhat. VNDB, probably not. Everyone outside, definitely. The rest of your post is about literal translation vs localisation, that's whatever the translator wants and not something we have control over.

>then work together to revise the story into something everyone can enjoy?
- You're assuming everyone wants their translation the same, which isn't true.
- We do have future plans for this (and the original FH translation) but currently I am not at liberty to disclose them.

>>10543673
0/10 not even close.

>>10544735
>>10544792
I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5B3pYW_BHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHwaRu0Azb8
Some lines are very similar, some are very different. Someone who knows Japanese would be easily able to tell them apart and manually translate the ones that didn't work.

P.S. you have my gender wrong again.

>>10544812
That's a stupidly narrow definition of "know".

>>10544815
The previous version was bearable (filesize and download count too small, amongst other inconsistencies), this version is just lame; why do I have to mouse over just to see information that can already be shown in the available space?

Well that wasn't hard to fix...

.extraInfoHover { display: none; }

that little bastard in the CSS was responsible. Filtered it out and now it works.

>>10544815
Javascript for the sake of javascript is inefficient and unwanted. The only time you should use it is when you NEED a dynamic page.

get a life cudler. and tell your chinese 'translator' to do more gay porn

>>10543391
There were plenty of people of relatively fair knowledge who worked on the flyable heart translation. But it was time and time again replaced with machine script or utter nonsense.

>>10547250
Actually Cudder, my post was an opportunity for you to address some of the issues presented in this thread in a constructive way. Many of the posts here, along with their photos, construct a solid argument against your (or whoever/whatever is translating for you's) intent and ability as a VN writer. You haven't directly responded to these criticisms (most of it was re-framing or a mix of red-herring, subjectivist, and straw-man), which isn't helping your position. Instead of encouraging an endless session of 'yes it is/no it's not because I said so', why not post some of the actual translation process? For example, show some of the Japanese lines and how they were translated into English. Showing a small, unidentifiable portion of text will not harm any projects you are currently working on and can help counter posts like this: >>10521636

Reputations for being a bad translator are not given because one is 'new' or does not ascribe to an 'old culture', but because the quality of the work is sub-par. This is exemplified by MangaGamer, especially in their early translations. Their translations for stories like edelweiss were poorly written, full of grammatical errors, literal at best, and caused their reputation to sink. They have begun to combat this by releasing better translations, such as KnS, and their reputation is improving as their quality does.

Additionally, while it is true no one wants the /exact/ same translation of a line, the variations on most lines are subtle enough that a competent editor can blend them with minimal effort, and is part of any writing process.

But, if you are unable to address the points raised in this thread in a reasonable way it only fortifies their position. Why not work to better your image? People's positions can change, especially if presented with evidence that is hard to refute.

>>10547845
>For example, show some of the Japanese lines and how they were translated into English.
See image. >>10521636 included.

>Reputations for being a bad translator are not given because one is 'new' or does not ascribe to an 'old culture', but because the quality of the work is sub-par.
The quality is not our primary goal. Increasing popularity of VN is. Currently there is not enough of them being translated, and while the ones that are, are "high quality", what the outsiders see is most of the ones they want to read are not. If there were many more translated, not necessary to be high quality, just easy to install, enough to catch the curiosity, then there is more interest, bigger audience, more who will want to learn Japanese to read the original, more who will translate... it drives growth.

>>10551077
Because people would enjoy spending their time reading shit of barely understandable quality? Nope.

>>10551104
This. Personally, I think Cudder does all this shit as an elaborate troll. Since he's an attention whore, he keeps fucking up to remind people that he's still around.

>>10551104
One word: Youtube.

>>10551077
>The quality is not our primary goal
So why do you keep forcing and bumping this crap as if it was some sort of ``VN OF THE YEAR'' project? Not even true, quality translation do that much attention whoring.

>Increasing popularity of VN is.
How many machine translations have you released? That's right. All you do is attention whoring while others do things much, much better and faster than you.

>>10551204
Are you seriously saying your target audience for VNs are people who read youtube comments?

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>>10551227

What he's (probably) trying to say is that people watch youtube videos, where the quality is often awful. Thus even if you produce an awful translation, there's someone who will read it.

Though using that logic, you could put out 100% machine translated games and -someone- would read it.

...

Does it really.

>>10553335
100% machine translations are mildly amusing in an Engrish sort of way.

>>10551077
Okay, this has to be a troll.

Cudder, are you the second generation of Mentifex?

>>10553335
>Though using that logic, you could put out 100% machine translated games and -someone- would read it.
Didn't dark translations do this? It was god awful and I remember someone paying a absurd amount of money to have something 'translated'.

>>10551077
Why even translate them then? It's not like peasants can tell the difference and if you find someone that graduated HS they could just write an entirely new story to go along with the pictures.

>>10554114
100 hours in paint

>>10539767
I say, I say, how can you prefer Emmerdale to Corrie or EastEnders. Although Corrie is pretty shitty as of late, I just can't get into the new characters at all.

>>10554165
I tried watching it recently and I agree, the new characters are dumb.

I especially hate that Geordie Arab girl. I'm sure there's some explanation for it, but she sounds all common and can't act, whereas her family sound like traditionalist Muslim folk.

>>10554168
Indeed, you just can't replace the old iconic characters with new bland boring ones. The only new character that I ever really liked was Graeme as he actually had a good amount of character to him.

>>10553335
>people watch youtube videos, where the quality is often awful
True. And YT is popular in part because of the volume and diversity of content available, and the ease of access. I don't even have to go look anywhere else for music anymore; it's all there, ready to listen to (or download for later.)

>Though using that logic, you could put out 100% machine translated games and -someone- would read it.
I don't disagree; there's already a sizeable population reading VNs with MT, so if a patch is easier they'll use it instead. But the difference in effort there is much smaller, so perhaps the value gain isn't great, although starting from a base MT'd script and improving it by replacing the mistranslations with correct ones could be a huge timesaver --- certainly not all the lines are going to be correct, but every one that is is time saved from needing to do it manually. It's easier and faster for most people to read than write. Even better if the MT can *learn* from the corrections and race ahead to apply them.

>>10554138
The short and obvious answer is because we had a translator who wanted to.

Coming up with a story to fit is not easy either, and that goes away from translation and into "VN remix" territory.

>>10555138
168 posts to go. Good luck with your spam Cudder.

>>10554165
>>10539767
Whoa, so I'm not the only /jp/sie who lives in the UK? Fantastic.

Flyable CandyHeart when?

>>10557999
I wonder who this poster might be.

>>10558009
Huh? I heard CandyHeart was being translated right?

>>10557999
Keep up the good necrobumping.

>>10557999

To be honest I thought it was a bit disappointing. I was just hoping for more sappy lunch dates with Yui.

>>10558637
"Wow! Hey, what are you doing?!"

>>10558869
A++ translation

The number of EN-US downloads increased surprisingly compared to EN-UK... do more people really prefer US English?

And WTF is wrong with MF? First they make me do this >>10547277, now they've gotten rid of the stupid non-mouseover hiding (good) but move the info to where it's ALWAYS hidden when the filename is long enough... meanwhile leaving that very appropriate space for it blank! How bloody hard could it be to make filesize and download count another column like modified date, or even easier, put it back to how it was!? This would've been straightforward to implement as a table like >>10544815, but instead the "web designers" chose to use an OL plus a ton of DIVs and CSS to make things look like a poor imitation of one. Browsers automatically align columns in tables and by default content doesn't get cut off, but the idiots who wrote this probably worshipped the "tables are bad" church. Websites that make these sorts of stupid changes for no good reason probably have excess labour they need to use just to keep them employed, but they should be let go. The fact that they're deliberately making things more complex and convoluted adds to this "so we can have things to do and be paid for" crap. I'd rant about CSS vs tables having the same effect, but that's enough of that for today.

>>10557999
>>10558037
Probably not in a long while.

>>10558637
Her chest is shaped like a strawberry.

>>10558869
Your translation isn't ``literal'' enough. For one, there's obviously supposed to be a stutter between Hey and what. No wonder people always say that meaning is lost during translation.

>>10558869
>saeg
I wonder who this poster might be.

Maybe it's the mysterious indian translator?

>>10560321
>>10560331
Be gone, trolls and troll-trolls.

You've been doing this for what? Four years? Almost five?

If you had signed up for a Japanese class back then, by now you'd be able to translate most of this stuff by yourself.

>>10560555

Cudder is not doing this for himself. He is sacrificing his time, effort, and dignity to help provide translations to those who are less fortunate! Please, won't you think of the desperate downtrodden he is trying to help?

>>10560555
Tomorrow Cudder will use this post to bump his crap with some irrelevant and off-topic garbage about Mediafire.

I was playing and it crashed ,when I try reinstalling I get error verifying install E=0. Any help? :(

>>10562710
100% legit reply. 100% legit bump.

Hey Cudder I've been waiting for it for years!
You are amazing, thank you.

Do you plan to translated Flyable CandyHeart?

>>10562896
Hey, C-tan!

How's Russia? Any more meteors?

>>10562896
>Do you plan to translated
Are you cudder's bangladeshi "translator"?

お前たちは本当にいやだ。。。日本語をしっていたらどうして僕の英訳にぼやきます？僕たちはほっといてください。

>>10563440
"You all are really no way. If know Japanese why complain in my English translation? Please back off we all."

>>10563440
are you as cute as this little girl?

>>10563440

可愛い奴。俺たちには義務がある。お前には負けない！

>>10563440
>。。。
Never change, Cud-tan.

Hahaha, oh wow.

Casuals will never into VNs.

>>10563440
>僕たちはほっといて

Wrong, you retard.

>>10563644
There's a lot more problems than just that, but nobody thought he actually knew Japanese anyway, did they?

>>10563644
You can understand, why do you care. I don't care your knowledge.

>>10563658
Cud-tan. Take off the sock puppet and talk to us face to face.

>>10563658
You have no knowledge of either English or Japanese. Please stop pretending like you do.

>>10563644
It is wrong because of the particle right?

>>10563658

I find it greatly amusing that one who claims text must be translated literally without leaving anything out, is telling us to interpret the meaning of his text and not the words.

>>10560555
You're assuming that I have [1] interest in VNs, [2] the time to learn Japanese, and [3] want to translate VNs. I'm mainly a systems analyst/reverse engineer by profession. Building infrastructure and technologies is our primary direction.

>>10562710
chkdsk your hard drive, reverify the files, redownload if necessary. You'd be amazed at how many issues we had during the FH release were caused by corrupted data, somehow.

>>10562896 --> >>10560312

>>10563557
>>10563644
>>10563651
>>10563661
>>10563669
>>10563720
No wonder he and the rest of the community outside hates /jp/. Aaeru was right. :facepalm:


The US lead on the UK is gaining... I guess the initial "Aussie rush" on release has dissipated now.

>>10565439
>You're assuming that I have [1] interest in VNs
Indeed. All you do is spam your inane crap while hiding behind those so called "translations".

The only reason this thread is still alive is because you and your shills keep bumping it with irrelevant garbage.

>>10565459
not such thing

>>10565439
But you are interested in VNs. That's how all this started, you came into a thread about a untranslated VN of all things (the only appeal was a possible incest route) and tried to start a translation project. You also have plenty of free time otherwise you wouldn't be in 4chan bumping your threads and talking to us, we all know how much effort it takes to keep a thread on page 0, even on a slow board. No one is paying you to do this.

cudder I think it's time for you to stop. drop the first person plural (or tell us who's "us"), sign up for a japanese class, and come back when you can translate.

>>10566567
>But you are interested in VNs.
He only does it so he can promote his ``RETrans Localisation Service Provider Megacorp''.

I've never seen so much autism. Even legit, quality translation projects don't resort to such pathetic necrospamfest. He could have posted that in the VNTS thread like any decent person would do, but nope, not enough exposition for such a great project apparently.

>>10566567
Depends what you mean by "interested in". Technical aspects, yes. Anything else, no.

>You also have plenty of free time otherwise you wouldn't be in 4chan bumping your threads and talking to us
No, I really do not have much time these days. I'm only here on breaks or when there's something I'm waiting for IRL.

>or tell us who's "us"
>>10543254

>sign up for a japanese class, and come back when you can translate.
I have no intention of translating. Everything else takes up enough of my time as it is.

>>10570298
>I have no intention of translating. Everything else takes up enough of my time as it is.

I see. That's why you're using Google Translate.

>>10570415
Stop feeding him.

I've redownloaded this twice and still it doesn't work.

Always crashes at there part where Mayuri goes to Shous room.

>>10571324
i wonder who made this wonderful post

>>10507500
just to remind you.

>>10571367
huh? I just want to see the ending, its been alright so far

>>10573663
>i'm totes not cudd

>>10570415
0/10 do not spread half-truths.

>>10571324
Seriously, check your hard drive and verify the files again.

Another troll thread by Cudder. Another failed "translation".

Having someone who is both proficient in English and proficient in Japanese is not exactly "elitist". Japanese can be learned in about 2 - 3 years. It's probably about as elite as being a car mechanic, there is no huge payment or certification required, and there isn't even a test to pass to become a VN translator.

The real problem with machine translation is that it is just really bad at present for Asian languages to English. The reason it shouldn't be used for public distribution is out of respect for the author's work.

The reason you translate something is to spread ideas, thoughts, and stories from one culture to another. When a machine translation does not actually do any of this the end result is that you:

1) Fail to carry over those ideas.
2) Potentially prevent others from ever carrying them over.

So the basic problem here is that you aren't giving anything to anyone. It's that you're giving nothing and then potentially discouraging future translations that manage to carry those ideas over.

Yes, we all know that you are a troll and that you don't care about VNs, but I think it's pretty disrespectful to take a script an author spent a significant portion of their life writing, and then tear it apart and display it in its worst possible light.

I urge you to abandon any machine translation initiative.

However, a crowdsourced translation project is not at all a bad idea for these titles. Making a platform where anyone can translate and then synthesizing it, that sounds like a worthwhile endeavor.

But this machine translation business is malarky.

Cudder, on a scale from 0 to 10, how happy are you that there are people such as >>10574925 to feed you and give you a semblance of a reason to bump this eyesore of a thread?

>>10574733
how?

>>10574925
Fuck off. You're not being constructive, because Cudder doesn't care about your arguments no matter how sound they are.

Thank you for giving him an excuse to reply in twenty hours, and thank you for making me reply to this thread when I promised myself I wouldn't, you dumb nigger.

>>10574925
>Making a platform where anyone can translate and then synthesizing it, that sounds like a worthwhile endeavor.
That sounds like a good idea. How would you quality control such a system, though?

>>10575739
Aaeru wrote something about this on her blog. There's some piece of software that lets you do crowdsourced(tm) translation in the cloud(r). I guess it follows the wiki model of letting people make modifications and assuming good faith.

>>10575728
Definitely legit reply. Absolutely not meant to prepare the terrain for tomorrow's necromonologue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_machine_translation_applications

CUDDER WHICH OF THESE IS THE BEST? ^___^

DON'T FEED

>>10574925
>being a car mechanic, there is no huge payment or certification required
Of all the comparisons you could make, you chose one of the more heavily regulated industries... Google "ASE certification". Manufacturers also have their own. I won't rant more about the auto industry here.

>The real problem with machine translation is that it is just really bad at present for Asian languages to English.
That's why there's significant interest in improving it.

>1) Fail to carry over those ideas.
The world is not black and white. There are degrees of understanding.

>2) Potentially prevent others from ever carrying them over.
This is the same circular argument they always make, but it makes no sense at all.

>So the basic problem here is that you aren't giving anything to anyone.
Maybe not to you. In which case you're free to make a better translation.

>but I think it's pretty disrespectful
I think it's pretty disrespectful to complain about someone's less-than-perfect efforts, done out of his free time and of his own interest and enjoyment!

Your argument basically is this: you shouldn't translate if you're not good enough. To which i ask, "not good enough for WHO?" You also seem to be implying that no one else should translate something they want to if there already is a translation, even if they can do better than the existing translation. This is the old culture's way of maintaining a monopoly on a particular VN's translation. The usual counterargument of "wasted effort" is also bogus: any effort to make a better translation, no matter how incremental, is not wasted if it will be appreciated.

Read more philosophy from Aaeru here...
http://forums.fuwanovel.org/index.php?/topic/225-propercorrect-fan-translation/

>I urge you to abandon any machine translation initiative.
MT is the future. We welcome those who know Japanese to help us, but don't try to fight it as that only shows your luddism. Resistance is futile. Adapt or perish.

>>10575728
Go ask Fuwanovel... this thread veered off being for support long ago.

>>10575739
You don't. You let the populace find its own level. There's a relevant Chinese saying !FH4JP told me, about sowing seeds or something like that, but I currently can't remember exactly.

>>10575754
VNR. To a certain extent, RWI too.

>>10577782
>less-than-perfect

That's like saying that shares of glass are less than delicious.

>>10577824
>shares
shards

>>10577782
>I think it's pretty disrespectful to complain about someone's less-than-perfect efforts
They are hands down the worst translations of the VN scene has ever laid its eyes upon, with the only rival worthy of mentioning being the initial Edelweiss translation.

People would take you a lot more seriously if it just weren't for the fact how you diligently defend these utterly terrible so called translations.
And while you perhaps don't want to trash talk your clients, you certainly don't have to praise them. There is a very sensible option available to you that's simply to not say much of anything on the subject.

You don't hear DC/Marvel saying that blatant tracing, let alone blatant tracing with a laughable tiny pile of stocked images, makes for good art. Even though they have their fair share of artists who does just that.
While they prefer to not really speak of it all, if you pester them enough about it you might make them throw out some arguments as to why they employ such artists, such as meeting deadlines or whatnot. If you insult their artists personally, one might slip up and say something like how artist X is actually a decent person, their work disregarded.

But you don't see them defending the shit at every chance they get. Or almost at all for that matter. Because they know when shit is shit, and they don't pretend otherwise. You on the other hand defend truly sub par and awful work, no matter the quality at hand or how many people point out why the quality is shit.

>>10577824
And some people claim 128K MP3s hurts their ears. What's your point?

>>10578266
What do you mean "diligently defend"? I don't think you'll find a single post from me saying this is a great translation...

>You don't hear DC/Marvel saying that blatant tracing, let alone blatant tracing with a laughable tiny pile of stocked images, makes for good art.
They probably don't care, because most people do not read comics to scrutinise how similar the faces look.

In other news, UK downloads relative to US increased by ~20%. GO ENGLAND!!!

if people stopped replying to this thread would cudder stop bumping it

or would he just start replying to himself

>>10578326
He already does that

Pls, Anons, I beg u, stop feeding the Cudder ;_;

You guys are useless.

>>10579048
That doesn't kill him. He has a past of replying to himself, then deleting weeks old posts earlier in the thread so he can bump it again.
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/6383964/
You need to choke him in his own bullshit.

>>10578325
Cudder-kun, I am getting the following error message:

The specified installation could not be verified (E=0). Please consult the release notes for supported upgrade paths.

I have non-Unicode set to Japanese, but when I find the game .exe for patching, it inserts ???? and random symbols resulting in the error above. I have also tried renaming the directories but to no avail.

>>10579526
>foolz
no

>>10580362
Could this be the very first legit bump of this thread? Cudder will be delighted.

>>10580426
Heh? I'm just trying to play the fuggin' thing.

Redownloading the whole shebang via the torrent on fuwanovel.

>>10580451
That worked.

I don't understand you cudder. You're obviously a talented coder/hacker (or at least that's what it looks like) so why can't you just focus on doing what you do best and drop this 1st person plural REtrans bullshit? ages ago I asked you to extract a script file and you refused because I wouldn't use your website. I just wanted a .txt file nigger, not some "integrated solution", why do you have to make things so complicated?

I also heard you have a native Chinese speaker in your team, wouldn't it have been better to make him translate CH->ENG, instead of making him run japanese text through babelfish? Plenty of VNs out there have been translated to Chinese by talented people. Machine translators have a easier time with Chinese than Japanese, too, if you need to use them.

>>10580484
Stop giving Cudder a reason to post in this thread please.

>>10580484
>I just wanted a .txt file nigger, not some "integrated solution", why do you have to make things so complicated?

Never, ever, deal with Cudder, it will only end in drama. Cudder pulled off the same crap with Milky Holmes and in the end, Anons had to finish the job by themselves, without any of Cudder's bullshit.

||>>10580469||
We recommend Fuwanovel as they are an official distributor for this release.

||>>10580484||
>I just wanted a .txt file
If that's what you want, use a text hooker and save its output. Good luck trying to insert it. [We are working on ways to "reassociate" lines via MT, but when you asked the idea likely hadn't even germinated. But today, even if someone had an existing translation already in that form, reassociation won't be 100% accurate and takes significantly more resources than inserting a translation in the right format.]

>why do you have to make things so complicated?
It's complicated only because you want to expose yourself to that complexity. RWI hides that complexity from you, but you chose not to use it.

>I also heard you have a native Chinese speaker in your team, wouldn't it have been better to make him translate CH->ENG
!FH4JP? He's a client, not part of the core team. There's no existing Chinese translation for this VN, and even if there were and it was being translated that way the complaints about translation accuracy wouldn't cease either but just change to some variation of "double translation is shit". Plus he wants to practise Japanese.

||>>10580534||
Don't distort the facts. The original translator lost interest, and then ONE bastard who's been taunting all along did it. [We still have something planned for MH... can't say too much yet.]

||>>10581728||
>You want a script? Transcribe it.
>You want a one click tool? The simplest solution is our enterprise solution encompassing all of Rewrite International Localization paradigm trendsetting manufacturing.

>>10581728
>We recommend Fuwanovel as they are an official distributor for this release.
God damnit cudder.
How can you be so bad?

>>10581898
Fuwanovel is the place to hop to if you want to free yourselves from the old culture.

>>10582307
This is completely unrelated to your thread, so I apologize in advance, but I want your input. Should I read Steins;Gate as it currently is, or should I wait for the edited JAST release, if it ever comes out?

>>10582307
I know I should not talk to you, but goddamn. How?
What is so liberating about taking fine torrents from nyaa, changing the name to include [FUWANOVEL] and then reupload it to the same index/tracker, only with a lot more drama bait and shitty whoring?

>>10582310
I have no opinion on that. Do what you want.

>>10582321
;_;

>>10582310
The current S;G translation is notably flawed. Unless you want throw away the fairly amendable time required for reading the entire thing for a sub-par experience, later regretting it when what should be a considerable improvement is later finally actually released.
If you wouldn't want that, then I would strongly advice against it.

>>10582382
Thank you very much for your advice, I think I'll just wait then. I just finished C;H the other day and really wanted to start reading S;G, but I'd prefer to wait if it really is that poor of a translations.

How come Cudder and his sockpuppet are the only peope to bump this glorious chef-d'oeuvre of a technological progress?

Thank,s downloaded from Fuwanovel and it works.

>>10583281
Nice, epic, I like it.

>>10582382
In my opinion, the translation was completely fine when I read it in october.

>>10583299
In the translator's opinion, it sucked.

Awesome. thanks tripbro <3

>>10583281
Smells like curry. Is that you Indian-sockpuppet-kun?

Five hundred thousand downloads!

Wildly popular in Indonesia!

>>10543391
>Not Cudder, but if people are so upset about his work, why not offer to help correct his English instead of bash him?

I don't care that his low-quality work exists, I care that he spams advertisements for it.

>>10583804
Cud-tan, at least use sage, otherwise nobody will bite at your ruse.

>>10583804
>why not offer to help correct his English instead of bash him?
People did once. Long ago.

Cudder told them to fuck off because it wasn't in his vision of a true to the source literal translation.

>>10583837
>literal translation.

No such thing is possible, and if it was no one would be able to read it. Start with translating "お早う" as "[It is] [honorably] early" and continue in that fashion. It would read like a VCR manual from the 1980s.

>>10583856
His 'literal' version is also full of errors, so it's not even literal.

>>10581728
>client

Are you implying he paid you?
And why are you using brackets like that?
Could try posting like a normal person for once you dense motherfucker

Why are Cudder projects always so spammy?

I've never seen any translation projects getting threads necrobumped for weeks. I would kind of understand if it was for some long awaited and popular game, but here it's just some random machine translation. And it doesn't matter what Cudder says, it looks, feels and reads like a machine translation.

What exactly warrants so much forcing and necrobumping?

>>10583979
Because Cudder's a spammer?

I thought that was obvious.

>>10583856
Put that in Google Translate and you get "Good morning", exactly the same as this translation so its machine translated!

>>10584398
Machine's don't do literal translations.

>>10584398
Cudder defence force is finally here.

Inbound Cudder.

>>10582317
Fuwanovel tests its releases, and also provides support for them. They're a value-added distributor.

>>10583837
Wrong, he was irritated by all the trolling and unproductive complaining. He was also finding mistakes in lines others submitted; who would you listen to, someone who can explain what's wrong with a particular translation and has been making significant progress, or some random spectators who are just shouting "you're wrong, idiot"? But for those wanting to edit to their content, we are planning something for both FH and KNNWSNY...

>>10583979
We don't expect to need this thread for that much longer. All in due time.

>>10582382
>>10582398
Here's an example that might be relevant: I can either quickly go to Youtube and download some music to listen to in the car, or wait until I get home to search for the highest quality version available and spend hours tweaking the audio system to get the best sound for it. In the end I get far more value from doing it the first way, so that's what I've chosen. The audiophoolsphiles are going to say how "shitty" the quality is but it doesn't matter to me, because I am satisfied.

Also beware of review biasing. The ones who are fine with the translation are more likely to read it and move on without saying anything, meaning the majority of the feedback comes from those who hated it.

>>10586685
>a value-added distributor.
lol'd so hard. Keep fighting the good fight, Cuddy. I will always be your #1 fan.

>>10586685
>We don't expect to need this thread for that much longer.
Obviously, since you can't necrobump threads past bumplimit.

>>10586685

There are notable flaws in your example.

First, you are equating quality of media compression to quality of the content. Overly compressed images, video, and audio cannot compare to low quality content (the actual visuals, sound, text). Because a translation is necessarily becoming the content of the work, it's quality is far more important than if you compressed the voices with a bad codec to save space. If your music on youtube only had fan covers that could not sing in tune, would it still have the same value?

Second, in the situation where both a high quality version and a low quality version exists, it is not more difficult to obtain the high quality version. Your example explains the pains that it would take to listen to high quality music compared to music found on youtube. There is no youtube of visual novels, you need to download and install the game and any patches for both cases. No one is going to choose a low quality translation if a high quality translation exists.

Only sixty posts left before Cudder is unable to bump his thread anymore.

And by sixty I actually mean a hundred and fifty since I shouldn't count posts by Cudder.

>>10586685
>Also beware of review biasing.
You got kicked out of almost everywhere because the translation is garbage. It's not "my elitistic autism can't handle imperfection", it's about "this can't be anything else but a machine translation". And it doesn't matter if it's not fully MTed, the thing is, it's bad to the point where people ask themselves if it wasn't done by Google or some ESL Malaysian ``translator''.

Downloads don't mean much as well. I downloaded your patch twice out of curiosity.

And the sad thing is that Cudder will never change.
People will keep contributing with quality projects and Cudder will keep spending years to release machine translated garbage and then spam it for months.

Is there walkthrough for this?

>>10589234
Hi Cudder.

>>10589234
Don't you have any shame, Cudder?

>>10589234
Why would you need a walkthrough for an eroge?

Thank GOD you made a different version for US English and UK English, or I wouldn't have been able to understand the difference between color and colour, or realize and realise.

Cudder do you plan to release an australian English version?

>>10590352
I think Australia uses UK English

>>10586733
>Because a translation is necessarily becoming the content of the work, it's quality is far more important than if you compressed the voices with a bad codec to save space.
Maybe it is. But that doesn't matter, because what my example is saying is that I'm satisfied. It is enough to entertain me, to relieve some tedium and boredom. That is what entertainment is. Consume it, feel happy, move on with life.

>There is no youtube of visual novels
At least 1, maybe 2 groups already release translations on YT. VNR means you do not need to install patches to read translation or share yours with others. We're getting there.

>No one is going to choose a low quality translation if a high quality translation exists.
It is not about quality but perceived value. A "high quality translation" may take 10 times as long, or may not ever exist. I am probably much older than you so I say this from experience: Enjoy what you can with what you have now, because you may not be able to in the future.

>>10586769
"almost everywhere" meaning your little elitist groups? Couldn't care less. As I said before we'd be very interested if you can consistently get this level of quality or better using MT only, but we're not aware of any free solutions that can come close. Compared to manual translation MT has an insane speed advantage; all it's lacking is accuracy. Maybe current systems are 50-60%, but do you want your VNs translated in under a week for 50-60% accuracy, or over a year for maybe 95%? Maybe the latter, but improve MT to 80%+ and the tradeoffs start changing.

>>10589247
>>10589331
You seriously think I'd be up at 5AM on a Sunday morning? :facepalm:

>>10589234
There's only 2 choices.

>>10590324
It's nearly trivial to make two versions with different spelling, so we did.

[I have looked briefly at Japanese grammar. Getting accurate word separation is probably the initial hurdle to overcome.]

>>10591492
>At least 1, maybe 2 groups already release translations on YT. VNR means you do not need to install patches to read translation or share yours with others. We're getting there.
Fuck you, seriously. Can’t wait until the translation scene is even more rife with Cudder/aeru type trolls that will upload to YouTube or in other video form or something.

Just fuck you.

>>10591492
>You seriously think I'd be up at 5AM on a Sunday morning? :facepalm:
There are only two people bumping this thread: you and your sockpuppet.

>giving a shit about Cudder and the TL scene
>not just learning Japanese and escaping all the drama
You guys are just as bad as Cudder wasting your time writing out these posts.

I wonder if Cudder will ever manage to produce something relevant. Because it's really not that difficult. If two completely random nerdmos from /jp/ could hack and translate a PSP game, why can't an expert programmer, reverse-engineer, ex-special forces, CEO of a megacorp and war veteran such as Cudder do the same with a much easier PC project?

>>10591492
>I'm satisfied
But Cud-tan.

You said you don't read VNs.

And you don't care about VNs.

So who gives a shit if you're satisfied with a product that you don't even consume?

>>10591788
>sae
Very clever.

>>10591524
I'm learning Chinese, I'm going to take the HSK1 soon. There are a bunch of VNs with CH patches and I can't wait to try them.

>>10591874
>I'm going to take the HSK1 soon
Eeh, don’t waste your money on that exam, that’s pointless. HSK1 is a couple of words, all pinyin, I’m pretty sure.
I don’t think it’s worth trying a test for until HSK3.

Also you should really just learn Japanese too. But yes, in the mean time reading CH patches is fine too. Although with HSK1 you are quite a way off still.

I found some spelling and grammar errors, will you release a new version someday?

>>10593283
Hi Cudder!

>>10593283
I wonder who this mysterious poster might be?

Isn't it a bit strange that Cudder's threads are only bumped by Cudder himself and that-one-totally-not-cudder-Anonymous dude?

>>10593311
Just like Flyable Heart, Hatsukoi, and My Lover is a Male Daughter!

Talk about a coincidence!

>>10593290
>>10593299
I'm not who you think i'm
really

>>10593322
You forgot Milky Holmes

>Day 246:
>Files added: none
>Files changed: none

>Day 247:
>Files added: none
>Files changed: none

>Day 248:
>Files added: none
>Files changed: none

>>10593336
Ah yes. That was maybe his worst.

That had an actual translator that hated him instead of a sock puppet so all he could do is talk to himself.

>>10591492

>I am probably much older than you so I say this from experience: Enjoy what you can with what you have now, because you may not be able to in the future.

Unless you are middle aged I doubt you are "much older" than me. I find the opposite, getting older gives me a longer perspective and thus taking time to do something right isn't a big deal. I find that those who are younger are more likely to do whatever is fastest and easiest.

>>10591977
It can't be that basic. I'm 1/3 of the way through the HSK1 program and I've already seen about 100 characters. It's not that expensive anyway and I need it to apply for a study trip in October

>>10591788
That was about my example, not VNs. Pay attention.

>>10593283
I won't make too many forward-looking statements about these projects, but consider this: "Eventually, if you put in the effort to fix, you'll be the one releasing it."

>>10593322
>My Lover is a Male Daughter
We had nothing to do with that.

>>10593336
MHTRANS actually achieved a nice speed before the translator lost interest.

>>10593341
Wrong. One translator who lost interest and another taunting bastard.

>>10593928
I am. What you're describing sounds like retirement... which is still over a decade away for me.

One thing we're very interested in is combining/choosing among multiple MT engines automatically. The difficulty is coming up with an accuracy metric that doesn't require human intervention or supposes the existence of already "perfectly" translated reference text (unlike BLEU), but similarity/back-translation might work; if 10 different MT engines all produce the exact same output then there's a much higher chance they're correct compared to if they all give something different, and we can rate translations that way/mark the high variance ones for further manual translation. That avoids the expense of developing our own MT engine... should be fun.

>>10593334
Who the hell are you?

>>10597737
Hi Cudder.

>>10597792
>sag
Motherfucking typos.

Committing sudoku.

Or people can make fun of me for 30 posts and kill the thread. I'm cool with that.

>>10596328
>if 10 different MT engines all produce the exact same output then there's a much higher chance they're correct
This just shows that you have absolutely no idea how a topic prominent language like Japanese works.

>>10597795
you could just delete the post and redo it to show how much disdain you have for him

>>10597801
It'd still be bumped.

May as well leave it and let the post count rise.

>>10597737
Stop talking to yourself please.

>>10597811
>It'd still be bumped.
It doesn't matter. The problem is people like you giving Cudder a reason to bump this thread.

>>10580426
it's cutter san alting on a vpn ^,..,^ XD

>>10597819
Haven't you noticed that he talks to himself yet? He doesn't need a reason to bump. He needs to not be able to bump it at all.

>>10597874
Indeed, the sooner this thread hits the bump limit, the better.

if he honestly wanted to develop and create a good machine tl program he'd tl the same game over and over again and compare it vs a natural human tl for meaning

now that wasn't hard was it

cutter is just trolling w/ this

if you're reading this cutter do what i suggest and come back in 30+ years when machines tls are good enough (readable but not natural)

>>10596328
I have interest in translating too.
Do you recommend any tutorial for that?
I have no idea how to extract the text, bug i'm already taking japanese classes.

>>10597792
It doesn't matter, that's the advantage of the method. Redundancy is robustness.

>>10597819
The problem is people like you complaining about what someone else wants to do.

>>10598001
MT is just one of the ways to achieve our goals and developing a new MT engine is a significant undertaking, and we won't do it if we don't need to; we're optimising ROI too. What's the cheapest, fastest, easiest way to get VNs translated good enough for the masses.

>>10598568
Translating in general, or this one in particular? Either way you won't need to extract the text anymore, look at VNR ( http://annot.me/wiki/en/Visual_Novel_Reader ).

Did Cudder just delete half of his post just to delay the bumplimit?

>>10600791
It does matter, please stop making me mad.

>>10600791
>What's the cheapest, fastest, easiest way to get VNs translated good enough for the masses.
You've been trying to do that for how long again? 2 years? 5 years? "Masses" doesn't mean malasyan nerds barely speaking english. Even /jp/ expect at least a bit of quality, your bullshit never had any place here or anywhere else in fact. Just look at this eyesore of a thread. Where are your "masses"?

And in the meanwhile, people manage to produce quality, human translations, complete with quality hacking and insertion, in much less time and with much less spam and forcing.

>>10600813

Indeed. Cudder's and her sockpuppet posts do get deleted.

>>10600791
>The problem is people like you complaining about what someone else wants to do.
What exactly do you want to do? Every single ``Cudder'' thread is the same: it's basically you talking to yourself, spouting nonsense for months. Just imagine this thread with all the saged posts removed.

And the sad thing is that nothing will change in 5 years when you'll release another one of your critically acclaimed projects: it will be the same unintelligible pseudo-engrish garbage and you'll keep spamming the same thing about how MT is the future for months.

>>10600813
Not the first time he's done it.

Which is why you need to take away the ability to bump from him because he'll just talk to himself, or in a few hours, make some retard post like "How I install?" or "Where's a walkthru" to bump it anyway.

>>10600791
>and we won't do it if we don't need to; we're optimising ROI too.

What exactly is the ROI on this project? What is the investment, what is the return? Can you quantify it?

Wait, what?

>>10601566
See?
>>10603529

I told you so.

I tried it in the Flyable Heart threads. He sets up some buffered garbage to automatically post as soon as it detects this thread on page 7 or whatever.

>>10603529
lilies are the strongest

only twenty more posts until Cudder has to delete some more of his posts

do you think he'll make a new thread when this one is gone

>>10603638
"Cudder" won't. But there'll conveniently be "some anonymous person" making a thread about it that'll conveniently get bumped every day that Cudder will be around to answer questions in.

Cudder, how much would your company charge to localize a medium-length VN?

I am actually curious and interested in making a deal.

I want a rough figure here. I don't want to negotiate or discuss it in private, I want a ballpark figure here on a public message board. This could lead to a real offer if I have the money.

>>10603803
Are you trying to bait Cudder so you can report her thread for commercial spam?

What's the VN you want translated btw?

>>10602569
Time invested and number of translations produced.

>>10603578
First you think we have some amazingly powerful (but surprisingly slow) MT and now you think I have some way of posting on 4chan automatically? You're wrong twice.

>>10603638
This thread is running a little ahead of schedule. A new one will simply replace it if it dies before then. It would be good if it lasted until its scheduled EOL, which is only a few more days since now.

>>10603803
Free if you'll be releasing for free. You still have to supply the translator(s).

>>10605132
>A new one will simply replace it if it dies before then.
You mean you will remake a new thread to promote your ghetto patch?
Have you seen anyone else do so much forcing on /jp/? It's spam basically.

>>10605132
>its scheduled EOL, which is only a few more days since now.

OH SHIT GUYS BETTER SUBMIT YOUR SUPPORT TICKETS RECHAN INTERNATIONAL LTD. IS PULLING THE PLUG ON THIS ONE.

>>10605132

You do realise that the only reason your threads stay alive for so long is because you and your buddy are constantly necrobumping them, right?

>>10605172
Cudder doesn't have any butt buddies. Every post without sage you see in this thread made by Anonymous was made by Cudder in truth.

>>10605184
Stop spreading lies.

>>10607064
Hello Cudder.

I can now almost ``feel'' cudder's necrobumping. I think I'm on my way to achieve some sort of satori.

>>10607064
Good afternoon, Cudder!

>gabezhul
>*sigh* I would like to comment, but this """"""""""translation""""""""" (nope, still not enough quotation marks... -.-) is one of those things that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, and I am pretty sure this thread is going to turn into one hell of a beehive in the near future. Call me when you need things locked up.

How is it even remotely possible to get banned from vndb?

Never change Cudder, you are doing absolutely great.

Cudder is getting thoroughly owned in the VNDB threads.

A shame he can just absolve all blame by saying he wasn't the translator (that was a Mr B. Abel Fish).

While I don't support her or her site by any means, I'm kind of shocked that Aaeru chose to include this translation on her website. She keeps talking about increasing the appeal of visual novels in the West, yet she keeps settling for dumb shit like cloud-enabled™ wiki translation programs, subpar machine translations, and playing visual novels through YouTube (!).

Also she could have chosen a better screenshot. From what I've seen, the signal-to-noise ratio is low, but there must have been at least *one* line that read like it was in English instead of Cudderese.

One day I'm going to patch some Markov chains into a random game, and say it's a REtrans translation. I bet it'll be more accurate and better received than anything Cudder has released so far.

The only good thing Cudder ever managed to inderectly produce was Milky Holmes, where her daily spam triggered a sperg reaction from /jp/ who managed to finish the project without Cudder. It only took them 6 months.

Now if only they did the same for Milky Holmes 1.5 and 2.0

[See archive for head discussion.]

>>10605143
We would prefer not to need a new thread, but to finish with this one.

>>10607121
Not banned, they just closed the thread because it started to go in a direction they didn't like. Did you know VNDB doesn't care about translation quality if the release is "official" somehow?

>>10607143
FH? That was 3 years ago. We don't care for VNDB either and don't need our releases there, just some idiot decided to add it.

>>10607160
That's what I've been saying all along. And you should at least get my gender right.

>>10607185
What you call "dumb shit" is where the future is. I agree the screenshot could've shown a less context-sensitive line.

>>10609669
>What you call "dumb shit" is where the future is
You have been saying this for how many years already? And look at this thread, absolutely nothing changed, it's you alone necrobumping your thread with completely irrelevant posts.

>>10555207
<3

Only thirty five posts left until Cudder can't bump his shit thread anymore!

Please, does anyone have an explanation about how this thread is still alive after 22 days even though it's composed of 99.9% of saged replies bashing Cudder?

>>10538469
Hah

>>10609735
It's 13 actually. Unless you take into account Cudder's own posts which she will have to delete.

>>10609753
It was fifteen to go about fifty posts ago. I think thirty-five is a good estimate, if you include all of Cudder's posts, including the ones posted as Anonymous.

>>10609669
>>10605132
>>10600791
>>10596328
>>10591492
>>10586685
>>10582307
>>10581728
>>10578325
>>10577782
>>10524234
Which of these posts will be the last one standing?

>>10609795
I hope she'll keep the one with the buggy ||quotes||.

>>10605132
>First you think we have some amazingly powerful (but surprisingly slow) MT

No, I think that you're really bad at what you're trying to do.

>and now you think I have some way of posting on 4chan automatically?

Cud-tan, it would take me about 30 seconds to set something like that up. You were caught doing it multiple times in the past. Why do you pretend otherwise?

>>10609802
yes, that posts were too cute.

>>10611206
I wonder who this bangladeshi ESL poster could be.

>>10611219
Nobody knows. I can't be Cud-tan, of course. She says it's 3am there!

>>10611234
>I
It
Fuck me. I'd kill myself if I was him. One post closer to dead at least.

>>10611219

Probably her mysterious ``translator''.

>>10611219
And isn't it nice that they only post once? I bet if this thread made it to page 8 again, there'd be another mysterious post just like it.

>>10506589
Cudder will you make a new thread?
Please, it will help people who may need support.

>>10607248
Is it google translated as well? It's still on vndb.

>>10611425
She kept this thread alive all by herself, bumping it daily for 22 days.
Making another thread would pretty much be spam.

>>10611425
>thread hits 300 posts
>Instant request for new thread

What a surprise, Cudder!

>>10611428
It's not. Cudder had 0 involvement in this.

>>10609795
Did Cudder just delete 90% of her posts? I thought it was 3am there *wink* *wink*

>>10611646
What a shock!

This is pretty pathetic, even for Cudder. Both his and that "Anonymous" dude's posts are getting deleted.

>>10611664
I am surprised by this development!

>>10607185
This can't be serious. What does it even mean? Did they really use that screencap to showcase the patch?

>>10611697
No. It's perfectly valid. You just need CONTEXT.

Am I the only one who actually enjoyed it?

>>10611716
>reach post 300 again after Cudder mass deletion
>immediately bumped again with meaningless post

WOW!

>>10611716
Yeah Cudder, you might be.

>>10609795
Only four more to go! Then Cudder will have to start taking an axe to his anonymous bumps. I wonder how many of those there are.

>>10611728
He already has been. Just look at the archive.

I wish the mods would just fucking ban him for advertising his shit already.

C-C-Cudder is a translator!?!? I thought she was only interested in x86 jewry!

>>10611716
The problem is that it's actually NOT enjoyable. Unintelligible engrish is really, really hard to enjoy. It ruins the game basically.

But, well, I'm sure there are people who have absolutely no problems with machine translation.

>>10611736
Remember. It doesn't have to be good. It just has to be acceptable quality. And Cudder, as someone who doesn't read VNs or even like them, knows exactly what acceptable quality is.

>>10611733
Cudder was banned and then subsequently unbanned afterwards at some point. It was truly a tragedy.

>>10611716

After 3 days of necrobumping? Yeah, you probably are, yes.

Assuming of course that you aren't that mysterious Anonymous bumper (totally not Cudder).

>>10611743
I dunno, I have my suspicions. Maybe it really is Cudder. What a shock that would be.

>her
>her
>her
>her
>her

Cudder is a guy.

>>10611664

You'd think it would be in Cudder's interest to not delete the Anonymous posts, or is this whole thing tongue in cheek? I guess it has to be.

>>10611774
No. He did it all the time before he knew there was an archive.

http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/6383964/#6395133

>>10611812
>he

>>10611812
Welp. Nothing changed in more than 2 years: same machine translation, same RETrans Intl. Corp. advertisement, same necrobumping, same spam.

If only Cudder was less autistic and sticked to the only thing he/she/it knows to do, aka, reverse engineering.

>>10611748
I thought she was a Jewish lady in her 40s.

>>10611889
Wasn't she Russian?

>>10611922
Same thing, Nikita.

Just wait. Only about 6 hours before another thread and month of Cudder samefagging it up.

Right on schedule for EOL in a few hours at COB. Looks like we won't need another thread.

>>10610399
"caught doing it multiple times"? Are you fucking kidding me? You mean "we have some very easily faked inconclusive circumstantial evidence"? I see you're jumping to conclusions and spreading slander as usual... it looks like there's multiple layers of trolling going on. Who's to say it isn't one of you trying to frame me?

>>10611445
Who started the project? Who got the first release out? FUCK YOU for trying to rewrite history, but I guess your favourite country does it too so you think it's alright?!

>>10611646
>>10611664
Looks like some other parties are joining in on the "fun". Consider this: Why would I bump the thread if I wanted it to last, and being close to the limit it would only result in the blowup of posts above?

>>10611697
The person who tried to ask Shou is fast? That's obvious. To find out what the person is fast at, you'll need to read the lines before.

>>10611733
Unfortunately you're not in charge of 4chan. Go make your own site if you're going to complain about the rules or the content.

>>10611748
Wank in hell, fucking misogynist.

Download statistics:
EN-UK 40.478668%
EN-US 59.521332%

The standard support period has now ended. For further support please visit our official distributors.

Cudder, you seem to love putting out all those buzzwords. Why not make an actual company and do work that you could actually get paid for? Wouldn't that be more rewarding?

>>10613516
>Looks like we won't need another thread.
Nice.
Epic.
I like it.

It's so sad to know that one day, Cudder-chan-sama-dono's threads might very well be deleted on sight ;_;

>>10613555
I do that already.

>>10613516
>Why would I bump the thread if I wanted it to last, and being close to the limit it would only result in the blowup of posts above?
Because the end goal is advertising, and making the thread last a month is only a means to that end.

>>10614030
Wrong. Apparently you're illiterate or didn't read >>10609669?

>sage in a sinking thread
You are a fucking idiot.