/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Higanbana 2 - overall 1527 / 5917 (25.80%) lines translated
Hinomaru- 51% translated, common route patch released
Hoshizora no Memoria Eternal Heart - 23.5% translated
>I/O - 180/249 scripts and 138/256 tips translated. Route A/A'/C/D/D' translation complete
Irotoridori no Sekai - 43,365/51,100 (84.86%) lines translated, full common route, Kana, Tsukasa, and Kyou route translated, prologue patch released
Kamikaze Explorer - Common route 100% translated, 50% edited
>Kanojotachi no Ryuugi - on hold for now
Killer Queen: New translation started from scratch, 17/72 scripts translated and 15/72 scripts edited
>Koichoco- 62/404 files translated
Kono Mama ja, Ane to SEX Shite Shimau - 10.8%
Kud Wafter - 8630/33132 (26.05%) lines translated
Kurukuru Fanatic - 19.04% translated
Little Busters - Original released, work ongoing with EX./ME content, now a joint project with Doki. Sasami/Kanata routes fully translated
Majikoi- Yukie + Chris + Momoyo + Wanko + teacher route patch released, Miyako route 85% translated
>Majikoi A- Sayaka 85% translated, 85% edited, Azumi 5% translated
>Majikoi S- Monshiro, Margit, and Kokoro routes patch out, Tsubame Route 100% translated, 88% edited, Momoyo 44% translated, 44% edited
Mahoutsukai no Yoru - 251.08/1221.51 (20.56%) kb translated
Maman Kyoushitsu - Saera Kanzaki and Honoka Mizushima routes patch released
>Mashiro Iro Symphony - Common route 4.28% Translated
Mirai no Uta to Tsunagaru Hitomi - 50% partial patch released
Muv-Luv Altered Fable - partial patch released
Natsuyume Nagisa - 2584/38142 (6.77%) lines translated. 2584/38142 (6.77%) lines edited
Nursery Rhyme - 12348/34410 (35.88%) translated
>Oreimo PSP - Youtube based project, part 101.5 out. Kuroneko Route Patch released
PersonA - 23% translated
Popotan - 189 lines translated

>Princess Maker 5- 75% translated
Rance 4 - 18% translated
Rance 6 - 51% Complete
>Real Imouto - 7121/16108 (44.20%) translated
Rose Guns Days 2 - 25% translated
Sapphism no Gensou - 59 scripts translated
Se-kirara - Being translated
Shinigami no Kiss wa Wakare no Aji - Fully translated, 2 routes of editing and technical problems remain
SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 35098/54201 (64.8%) lines translated and 34927/54201 (64.4%) lines edited
Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 9- 10/18 scripts translated
Sumaga Special - KBs done: [1363.93kb/8131.54kb] (16.77%)
Tenshin Ranman - Prologue patch released, 963.4/4560 (21.13%) translated
To Heart2- 65% translated- "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", new alpha patch released
White Album 2 - Overall: 5087/70253 (7.24%) lines translated, Introductory Chapter: 5087/10769 (47.23%) lines translated
Yandere - Resolving technical issues
Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na - 100% translated, 54% edited
Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 19.76%, Kazuha 100%, Akira 39.12%, Motoka 22.18%
Your Diary- Prologue patch released

Aroduc's secret project - On hold for now for technical reasons
Aroduc's secret project 2 - 431 scripts remaining
Rance Translations secret project - 82% complete

Official work

MangaGamer
SSSS - April 1st release date
Orion Heart - Ready for release
Harukoi Otome - Applying fixes, waiting on programmer from Nexton
Eroge - In Beta
Tick Tack - In Beta, demo out
Ef: The Latter Tale - First beta build back from Minori
Chou Dengeki Stryker - In scripting
Bukkake Ranch: In scripting
Todoroke Seiki no Daihatsumei - In Beta
Softhouse Seal Title 1 - In scripting
Softhouse Seal Title 2 - 10% translated
Softhouse Seal Title 3 - In translation
>Secret title - 16% translated
>Secret all ages title - 24% translated
Secret title 3 - In translation
Touma Kojirou no Tantei File - matches year end hint
Kougyaku no Kishi Miles - matches year end hint
Imouto Paradise - matches year end hint
Innocent Grey titles talks on hold through Feb.
Talking with new company for story based stuff

JAST
>Saya no Uta - Golden Master
Yumina the Ethereal - editing and debugging, "We will definitely finish it by AX 2013. "
Hanachirasu - 99% complete
Django - Couple more months of translation
Kikokugai - Working out issues
Sumaga- 87.03% complete, going through retranslation
Seinarukana- New translator, translation restarted from the beginning
Starless - Work ongoing
Trample on Schatten- In translation
Muramasa - Common route complete, 2 of 5 chapters towards true end translated, uncertain what will come from the project
Steins;Gate - "QC Remaining: phone text", Jast may pick up the project

Other
Liar Soft would like to bring Steampunk titles over
The Night of Kamaitachi - release planned
World End Economica - Chapter 1 release planned at Fancy Frontier
Sweet Fuse - Being translated by Aksys
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread
A tracker for these threads put together by Tinfoil: http://vntls.tindabox.net/

Why haven't these threads been moved to /vg/ yet?

>>10652976
Because VN are /jp/ related. Translated VN are /jp/ related.

Good to see danganronpa is super close to finish.
Only re-editing of chapter 1 and TLCheck of 6 and should be finished since testing is almost finished.

>>10652976
Because /vg/ is terrible.

>>10652999
Would we be seeing it this week?

>>10652976
Because it would be lost in the VN General threads, buried somewhere amongst all the discussion.

>>10653030

>discussion

It's actually just two or three fags blogging and role playing at this point

>>10653030
I still am amazed on how much you can discuss a few translated VNs. Doesn't it feel like groundhog day for the regulars, if regulars even exist?

>>10653092
Ugh, that's even worse than I thought.

>>10653092

By the time I learn Japanese, /jp/ would be baleted from the cosmos. Never will I get a chance to contribute to the "discussion".

>>10653093
As am I, /a/ have been talking about Muv Luv and Majikoi nonstop for the past couple months now, getting on to a year.

any new moogy drama

>>10653019
Doubt it. I saw on the project's twitter earlier on that there's still a lot to do like hacking and testing. They seem to be extremely thorough about this. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if it got released when the anime is supposed to air (July).

Naisho - 99.9998% finished. Its pretty much done, but for some reason I keep forgetting periods and stuff and changing them into English periods.

>>10653093
>Doesn't it feel like groundhog day for the regulars, if regulars even exist?

They seem to be quite alright with that. It's the same for quite literally every VN thread on /vg/. It's the same few people all the time writing the same lazy comments like 'x a shit' and 'TL OF X WHEN' and newbies asking the same questions anyone with half a brain could find answers to after a quick google search.

Next releases will probably be Dramatical Murder (100% done on the editing and tl front), Danganronpa, and Ayakashibito. Maybe a secret project but that will probably be it for Summer.

>>10652974
>Saya no Uta - Golden Master
Please excuse my ignorance, but what does "Golden Master" mean? Does it mean that it went gold as in sent to manufacturers?

>>10653251
It means it was hewn from the forge of the master into a solid block of gold.

>>10653251
Probably means remastered. Improved translation, uncensored CGs etc.

>>10653251
It means they're going to start printing the discs now.

>>10653263
Yes. A final version of software ready for release to manufacturing.

>>10653263
>>10653270
>>10653271
Thank you.

>>10653092
It's more or less the same as /jp/ honestly.

Ixrec is 85% through his portion of Air (the Summer route)

>>10653525
Epic

>>10653147
what is this? loli vn of the year?

>>10653566

Pedo scum pls leave

can we remove baldr sky yet

>>10653570
but I live here

>>10653571
Yes

Ayakashibito and Danganronpa weren't released on PC right?

>>10653639
I don't know. Maybe you could use Google and find out.

>>10653093
/vg/ is only good a few weeks after a new release, otherwise it's a total bore.

So Aroduc just released a new patch in the silliest way.

>>10653639
Ayakashibito is a full fledged porno game for the PC.

>>10653721

What?

>>10653743
Thank you.

Have a good day.

Still no second Cross Channel translation mentioned on vntls? It apparently finished translating and is going through edits.

Here's screens to judge:
https://georgehenryshaft.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/editing-week-2/

>>10653721
What are you talking about?

>>10653750
>>10653798
He just released on IRC a full TL patch for Baldr Sky. Take that, Futsuu!

>>10653798
>>10653750
No idea. He's probably deranged. In Completely Unrelated News, sexy spies are on the loose

>>10653721
>>10653798
>>10653817
Well, I've already figured it out, but have fun guys! Don't want to spoil Aroduc's fun.

>>10653817

Bullshit. You're such a fucking liar.

>>10653778
What's the point of a second translation?

>>10653832
the first one sucked donkey dong

I haven't been following the translation scene lately but did they drop rance quest? HGTP disappeared and quest isn't on the list anymore.

>>10653853
It was released a while back. Just look for it in the archive.

Not strictly a VN, but more VN than /v/ would probably like
Suikogaiden translation for the PS1 is up.
http://ramsus-kun.webs.com/Suikogaiden/Home.htm

>>10653980
ISO is available on Underground-Gamer, if you can't find it elsewhere. Also, only the first Suikogaiden volume is translated; the second one is put on hold at ~75% of translation, according to the translator's forum.

Aroduc's latest release is... quite surprising. It's a fun game though, so I don't mind.

The release itself was a bit hard to find, to say the least. But I trust /jp/ to find it, hence no spoon-feeding. I'll just give a small hint: the game has incest in it.

>>10654227

It's a game that I thought would never get translated.

Does something like female Rance exist? As VN.

>>10654279
Do you mean as reverse rape porn fetish or as a character?

>>10654279
And then what? She would assault men with her "Hyper Hole"? That doesn't sound right.

>>10654279
Sengoku Rance

>>10654299
Sounds like Heavens Feel

>>10654299
She might still have a dick

This is the vn "in strike" that Aroduc was translating or it's a side project?
(Pict hint)

>>10654284
character i guess.
>>10654299
yeah, that sounds kinda awesome.

Are people talking about Aroduc's release trolling or what?
Anyway shouldn't Rewrite fandisc be put in this list, since Ixrec is planning to translate it before Comyu?

>>10654457
if by before you mean after, sure

>>10654460
Oh, so he wants to translate it after?
I thought it was going to be before since it's pretty short compared to Comyu.

>>10654457
No
Check K1

>>10654352
>>10654485
Torrent; doesn't exist

>>10654485
What?

>>10654535
http://www.vn-meido.com/k1/index.php/topic,1294.0.html
it seems the new game is Minna Daisuki Kozukuri Banchou,a game from Eushully. But im not sure since the torrent is deleted, the user who opened the thread saying he is uploading right now so we will have to wait a little.

>>10654493
>>10654535
Minna Daisuki Kozukuri Banchou has being translated.

Torrent is under [Manga Gamer]SSSS! Super Sexy Secret Spy

>>10653128
At least with Majikoi new stuff is being translated. Muv-luv is also a big franchise but the threads are pretty shitty now.
You forget that there's constant Fate threads on /a/ though, probably at least five a day and mostly all of them get maxed. And this is without counting wormslut and waifu threads.

>>10654552
>>10654557
Thank you guys.
I can't say I didn't want it since a new game translated is always a good news to hear, but why this title?
There are better Eushulyl title right?

>>10654578
Probably but this one is nice and short and the translator likes it.

>>10654552
>vn-meido.com
Wat fuck man.

>>10654562
Fate has new content all the time since Nasu keeps milking it.

>>10654493
>>10654535
>>10654552
>>10654557
>>10654578
http://tokyotosho.info/details.php?id=636685

Here torrent,Use Magnet Link.I know the title is wrong but It works fine i just tried it.

So why isn't Baldr Sky removed yet? Strato's reign was torture enough.

Majikoi is so close ;_;

>>10654878
so close... since January

>>10654801
Getting some sick speeds here.

>>10654801
I'm suprised, but i wanted to play this for long time so all is good

>>10654878

There is still the true route and probably a couple of side routes left.

>>10654801

It seems fake.

>>10655195
its just aroduc's joke, i can give some screenshots if you want,like this.

>>10655238

That Aroduc and his jokes... Yeah I extracted and checked it and it's really Minna Daisuki Kozukuri Banchou.

>>10655304
stop pretending to be me

Saya no Uta hasn't been released yet? And here I thought it came out a year ago and I was just too lazy to buy it.

>>10655321
>We are happy to announce that Saya no Uta has officially gone Golden Master and will ship in a matter of weeks.

>Minna Daisuki Kozukuri Banchou
What the hell man, why would you translate that?
Well, I guess it's still a fun little game, but come on.

>>10655336
aroduc don't give a FUCK

>>10655336
well he is just translating games which he thought as funny, not like ixrec who works for e-dicks.

>>10655407
I just wish he liked a little better games. The only project of his that I've really enjoyed was Kamidori.

>>10655424
Anon...

>>10655424
He should translate Twinkle Crusaders. It's fun and has great characters.

I would do it myself, but it's too long and I'm too lazy.

>>10655336
Just another case of translator shit taste but get things done.

>>10653148
you're forgetting cudder spamming the threads with his machine translations and imaginary "translation group" which consists of him and few of his tulpas.

I can't wait for baby-making banchou 2: banchou pays child support

>>10655407
I understand and respect this, but it's still annoying.
Since every Aroduc project is a "secret" project, you end up expecting things even if you don't want to. I should learn to ot a give a fuck in any circumstances.

Missing ikikoi project announced last week.

>>10655167
Majikoi has a true route?

>>10655563
yes,ageva route,and its pretty long - as long as miyako + chris i guess - its certainly best route in the game.

>>10655506
So, which one of his secret projects is this Banchou thing? His second secret project or the one that ran into technical problems and got put on hold a gajilion weeks ago?

I was thinking of starting Dracu-Riot now that there's a partial patch out. The art looks nice, but is the story any good? Also, is the translation readable?

>>10655666
I really need to learn Japanese

chaos;head NoaH routes for pc never ?

>>10655771
you play yuzusoft for the moe heroines, sure as hell not for the plot

>>10655833
That's correct.

>>10655854
Well, there's ExE, but yeah.

>>10655833
Can always emulate.

>>10655887
>emulating xbox360
and even if, still pointless with no translation

>>10655908
It's also out for PSP (and PS3/Android/iOS if you own any of those).

Guess you'll just have to learn Japanese.

>>10655882
>>10655914

What happened to that group that promised to bring to PC and translate it, anyway?

>>10655942
Wasn't that removed in the "please support JAST's official localizations of Nitro+ games" thing?

>>10655908
People would have said the same about emulating the PS2 10 years ago.

>>10655988
And even now ps2 emulation is glitchy at best.

>>10655988
10 years ago there was already a PS2 emulator in progress. And PC hardware was advancing a lot more rapidly back then.

I don't doubt that we'll be able to emulate the 360 someday, but don't expect it to be any time soon.

>>10655986
Well, that's weird.... I don't remember any of the science adv games getting localized

>>10655988

Of course, every system becomes emulateable if you wait long enough. Question is if you really want to wait 10+ years for 1 game.

>>10655914
Would be nice to play it on my Galaxy S III but 3000 yen is bit too much for a mobile game I hardly understand and there doesn't seem to be a way around the payment

>>10656032
So just emulate it on PSP, then.

>>10656053
I don't have one...

>>10656076
You don't have a PC? Or are you being deliberately dense?

You mean emulating PSP on PC? Had no idea there is an emulator out... will try.

>>10656087
You mean emulating PSP on PC? Had no idea there is an emulator out... will try.

>>10656014
Steins;Gate I believe.

>>10656158
I only remember hearing a rumor about it being released on steam. and that didn't happen either (obviously).

>>10656176
That's a rumor probably but IIRC Steiner and Blick got a C&D when working on S;G, not entirely sure though.

JAST and Blick had talked about the possibility of an official release, which is why Blick took the unedited patch offline. Last I heard, Nitro+ was fine with it but 5pb. was holding things up.

>>10656219
>>10656198
>Blick took the unedited patch offline
>Blick got a C&D when working on S;G

You do realize that the patch is still up on their site?

>>10655942
>>10655986
>>10656014
The people involved in the TLWiki/JAST/Nitro+ thing were the same people working on that project. It's generally not a good idea to illegally fan-translate a title from a company you're in talks with, so they obviously dropped it. The project was already stalled way before that, though, so the Nitro+ deal was just the final nail in the coffin.

And regardless of direct plans to localize anything, everything Nitro+ was removed from TLWiki at that time, including the already released Chaos;Head patch (which to this day has never been re-added).

>>10656270
So it is. I thought Blick took it down. He did go silent for a while, though, and stopped updating the scripts on the site.

PLEASE clean this list of hoaxes and other stalled projects like Baldr Sky.

It's useless to keep listing for years stuff that has seen no progress. And it would take zero effort to add again to the list in case such projects become relevant again.

>>10654279
Tsubasa no Oka no Hime has a good, assertive protagonist, if you're all right with otome games. If I'm remembering correctly, some of Snapdragon's staff used to work for Alicesoft too?

>>10656451
It takes zero effort to just leave them on too.
If for no other reason than to give us hope.

>>10655563
You know all those random obviously-important characters you keep bumping into like the blue haired oneesan that randomly is found sleeping next to you? All these cameos are buildup to the real storyline of the game.

>>10656809
Too bad the only translator interested in it had to work on shit instead.

>>10657166
does she have a route? Majikoi even close to being finished yet? Also was aroducs game release a true release or was it leaked? has he said anything? Is this the one that was giving him problem or is it the second game? its not the long one right?

>>10658202
milf autist pls go

>>10658202
Holy hell man. Google

>>10658202
I'm not sure if it's an official release because we're talking about Aroduc. I haven't heard any concrete evidence that Aroduc did the translation, but I'm assuming it's him because there's 467 files in the game's folder, which is similar to how many files there were in Kamidori's folder and the translation uses proper English. He doesn't seem to have posted anything about it on his blog. I'm not sure which of his projects it was, but I can vouch that the DRM was a real pain in the ass (at least when it comes to gameplay).

>>10658276
Well is the game fully edited and complete? Also the game seems fun , Is it considered good? what types of girls can you date and have sex with? Any older women or a lot of them?

>>10658384
I haven't played it long enough to know if it's fully translated, but it seems properly edited. Whether someone thinks the game is good or not is up to that person, but it's definitely more on the simplistic side. You can check out the list of characters on the vndb page by clicking on the characters tab near the description.
http://vndb.org/v496

>>10658416
>http://vndb.org/v496
can you have sex with the goddess of fertility older version? also the swordswomen looks good. does each character have a route or can you do them all whenever you want? so the side characters also have sex scenes and gc?

>>10658434
Also can you sex your sister natsumi?

>>10658441
You can sleep with them all, but each time you sleep with a girl, you need to use points you accumulate from combat (which can be spent on powering up your characters). As far as I know, the plot is linear and people in the game are really dumb. I think all the girls you catch have scenes with CGs, but I've never beaten the game, so I'm not sure. I'm not sure if you can sleep with the goddess of fertility, but I haven't seen that when I played a bit of the game last year. As for the sister yes, you end up impregnating your sister, though I only saw the Japanese version of the scene, so I have no idea what build up there is to that.

>>10658472
I think you can have sex with the goddess, it says in the character bio under sex that she does cowgirl. So if its linear i dont have to worry about what i choose at first? its just a free for all and when you done with one girl you can move onto the other?

>>10658517
From what I've played, I think that's the case. I think the tutorial mentioned that you needed to get all of the events to get that girl's ending, but I always went straight for making them pregnant. Apparently the game has new game plus but I have no idea what gets carried over.

>>10658202
Here's quoting Moogy on vndb.org about the translation.
>Aroduc is never going to make an official release post or provide any support for the translation. This is the final release. Any bugs happen due to PEBKAC, fix it yourself.

>I may or may not have had a part in suggesting the release scheme employed. But mostly it's because the project had been languishing around for a while and he wanted to be done with it so he could focus on the other stuff he's working on.

>And there's your official announcement from Seiha I guess? I clearly count as a "member" of the "group" since I have access to the private forums on his site and talk to Aroduc on IRC.

how do I unlock the sister route in Minna Daisuki Kozukuri Banchou?

>>10659743
oh nevermind, looks like it unlocks on a newgame+

>>10659498
> I clearly count as a "member" of the "group" since I have access to the private forums on his site and talk to Aroduc on IRC.
I wish I could be a member like Moogy-heika-homo-sama too.

WA2 were dead now. Fuck velocity7 and Baka-Tsuki

>>10659929
It's for the best.

Any word on Himegari Dungeon Meister?

>>10660349
it's probably the one put on hold because Aroduc couldn't find some script files or something

I've had grisaia installed and sitting on my harddrive for a year now waiting for translation. I can read japanese, but REALLY slowly so i usually wait for translation if one is being made. 87%. How much longer do you think it will be?

>>10660630
Apparently the release is scheduled for June.

>>10655238
Anyone else having trouble running this, the exe just crashes. I'm on windows 7 fyi.

>>10660740
you run the .bat?

>VNDB tags
>Inbreeding 2.0
>Blood-related Brother/Sister Incest 2.0
>Incest Romance 2.0
>Incest 1.8
>>10655238
That incestuous sister...

>>10660748
I try to run the Remove DRM.bat but I just get the following

>>10660757
You must be a really dumb person. I'm sad for you.

Goddamn she's delicious. I want to marry her.
>Kiryuu's younger sister. She supports her brother in any way she can including doing the housework and cooking. Loyal to Kiryuu she likes how her family is growing when he collects wives and children.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that projects that are green texted are currently stalled. Is that correct?

>>10660758
Well that's helpful

It crashes if I try to run TT_Remove_DRM.exe directly, ditto from the bat file.

>>10660761
As long as there incest, my boner remains happy as a rock.

>>10660757
Run it from command line. Don't click it.

>>10660780
It doesn't make a difference, TT_Remove_DRM.exe still crashes

Not the other guy. But is this the correct output?
>1 file(s) moved

Deliicously incestuous imouto. I must impregnate and marry.

>>10660824
Is this actually any good then? Or is it a nukige with shit gameplay.

>>ganeplay
>>Incest Romance 2.0
It's as if they made this game just for me.

>>10660800
>>10660807
Please dont hack me

>>10660859
It's pretty silly fun

>>10660800
No, run the .bat from command line.

>>10660807
Yes. You'll know it worked if you can go in-game and it doesn't display error messages every few minutes.

>>10660859
I'd say it's probably one of the top 3 translated games of the past month.

>>10661075
But nothing noteworthy has been translated in the past month so that's not saying much.

>>10661069
This? But it still gives an error...

>Tomoyo After – English Patch v1.1 Released!
http://doki.co/2013/03/24/tomoyo-after-english-patch-v1-1/
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:J3QZQKVKQ3U3ZELXCWOYAKH5C7ONPPAJ

>>10661755
Also getting this error

All the .exe files just crash before loading. Windows 7 here.

>>10661835
Did you change the name of any of the files before trying to run it?

>>10661838
Not him, but the guy from the pic, no i didn't change anything whatsoever, the .exe of the game wont load, and the bats and other exe crash.

>>10661844
Were you in Japanese locale while you downloaded the game?

>>10661838
I did not

>>10661855
yes

>>10661835
>>10661844
>>10661855
Move your discussin to a separate thread, please.

By the way, if anyone still needs a Tomoya After ISO to use with Doki's patch, this one is well seeded:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:7268E88A084ED902AA750237D5C376AD36020870
(also available on sukebei nyaa)

>>10661835
>>10661844
>>10661855
Move your discussion to a separate thread, please.

By the way, if anyone still needs a Tomoyo After ISO to use with Doki's patch, this one is well seeded:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:7268E88A084ED902AA750237D5C376AD36020870
(also available on sukebei nyaa)

>>10661867
I don't know then, I'm not technically inclined enough to figure out what's causing the problem based on the information I was given. I can only guess that either the file got corrupted while torrenting or your program you used to decompress the compressed winrar file failed to do it correctly.

Are there really no more decent gameplay games left untranslated? Aroduc gave us the flawed by fun BBA and the great Kamirodi. Now it's just two bad games in a row. So does this mean there are no decent gameplay eroges left?

>>10661930
Aroduc has shit taste.

(the great Kamirodi, haha)

>>10661930
>So does this mean there are no decent gameplay eroges left?
Haha, hahahaha. Hahaha. Ha.

No.

>>10661930
There are plenty of games around with "good" gameplay, and you'll never see most of them in english

Gameplay games are very annoying to translate. More complicated scripts. All those fiddly little interface bits. Just be thankful you have Aroduc.

>>10662176
I am very thankful to Aroduc.

>>10662167
whats this? why doesn't aroduc do this?

>>10662375
if you have to ask I'll have to go with "because flesh is weak"

>>10662167
Is this the trial of their most recent release or an older title?

>>10662375
Not only is this game not even out yet, but pretty much everyone who played the trial has said it was horrible.

>>10662409
latest game, and it's a screenshot

>>10662414
It wasn't horrible. Just too fucking hard.

>>10662414
horrible might be exaggerating, as far as eroge gameplay goes it was decent enough, the problem is after ikusa megami and meister series people expect more from Eushully
even though it was sort of hard to get into it was far from unplayable, and the complete release is going to have some tweaks requested directly by the userbase

So is darkeyetranslations really serious or just a troll?

>>10661755
>>10661835
You didn't move the .bat away from the VN folder, did you? It should be right outside the TickTack" directory. I got the "system cannot find the file specified" error until I ran it from the command line, I also ran it as administrator but not entirely sure it matters.

>>10663769
Hard to say until they release something.

Aaeru's DC3 translation has been C&Ded.

Guess she's the man's bitch after all.

>>10665778
Good news, now if only Unison Shift send another C&D for Cuddere (and his InterTrans company...)...

>>10666029
I hope it means they intend to translate it themselves.

>>10665778
>Cease & Desisted by Mangagamer. All Progress stopped. 34% at the time of ceasing.

That's hilarious.

Reminder that, in the early days of Fuwanovel, Aaeru said fan translators should *ignore* C&Ds and risk serious legal action.

Who was the group that actually did that with a game, and then they ended up getting a licence deal for it?

>>10666097
I assume she thought it was different because it was an English company that assumedly had interest in doing it themselves sending the notice. That or she wanted an excuse to give up because she got bored of it.

>>10666029
Cudder is invincible, she's Russian. Besides, who will be providing quick and dirty cracks for Mangagamer VNs if she leaves?

>>10666097
>Who was the group that actually did that with a game, and then they ended up getting a licence deal for it?
Gipface

>>10666151
If only Cudder would stick to just cracking.

>>10666097
So THAT is their all ages title.

>>10666183
Was!

>>10666130
In that case I'd be interested in hearing her views on English companies issuing C&Ds, preferably something prior to this.

She seemed pretty adamant that hobbyists in their teens and twenties keep on breaking the law no matter how serious it got. I wanted to strangle her for being so stupid.

>>10666262
I think her reasoning was that obeying Japanese companies' C&Ds is senseless, since they're obviously not going to do anything with it anyway, but English companies is okay as long as they plan on translating it soon. The point is that it gets translated by somebody, but she never seemed to be against official localizations. Doesn't she also forbid uploading them to fuwanovel?

>>10666334
>Doesn't she also forbid uploading them to fuwanovel?
I don't know about now (she tends to flip-flop a lot), but originally she was all for piracy whether it was an official release or not.

http://erogedownload.com/

At least it's not run by Aaeru!

>>10666482
But they don't act like god's gift to the VN tl scene. Makes me sad Aaeru (meaning google translate) is doing hatsuyuki sakura

So if MG is translating DC3, I wonder if they'll also release the 18+ version coming out next month.

>>10666594
Nope. Remember that Shuffle Essence+ translation? Yeah, me neither.
I'd still be happy with an all-ages DCIII though.

>>10666482
These guys DDOSed VNDB and TLWiki for refusing to link to their download pages. They're kind of faggots in their own right

>>10666852
Well it was a perfectly reasonable request honestly.

>>10666854
What? No it's not.

>>10666902
I don't see why people wouldn't want download links in those places. If anything the hosts of those websites were just being needlessly stubborn.

>>10666960
I wouldn't want to start putting links to piracy on a really clean decent info site

>>10666960
TLWiki and VNDB choose to coexist with creators and have decided not to directly link to pirated content. That's 100% their decision to make, and it was childish to try and force links to your site onto them so you can get a few more ad impressions.

>>10667000
I didn't try to force them. The DDOS had more to do with the bad attitude they displayed when refusing my request than being because they refused it. Also I already said I was sorry for that.

>>10666978
It's not piracy. None of the VNs are actually hosted on my site. All I provide are links to where they can be downloaded.

>>10667110
>>10667134
Kill yourself

>>10666572
hatsuyuki sakura isn't being done by aaeru

>>10667000
Even if it wasn't anything to do with piracy at all, they can link or not link to whoever the hell they want. If Joe Bob showed up demanding that someone link to his site, he'd get the same fuck you answer. Even more so if they're as advertisement choked as that shithole is.

>>10667134
>>10667110
You refuse to give credit to translators, and refuse to link to their sites to keep patches up to date.

You're also the one uploading these games that "isn't pirating" so you can make a cheap buck off of other people's work.

So how about you get off your high horse, asshole?

>>10667223
Yeah, that's fine. But just as they're free to link to what they choose, I'm free to take offense to their needlessly rude dismissal, and react accordingly.

Also I don't see the point to linking to translator websites considering they change so often. It'd just wind up being hundreds more links that I have to keep track of and update. Also it would just make it easier for the IP police to go harass translators. I think most translators prefer the semi-anonymity that I allow them.

>>10667270
>I'm free to DDS sites of people who don't link to me
>Translators don't want credit, so they're happy with me taking all of it. They also change sites all the time.

Do you read what you write? Because you're doing a good job being more out of touch with reality than even Cudder.

>>10667288
I apologized for the DDOS already, Christ. I'm just saying that I had some justification in doing it.

Also if any translator wants to come forward and ask me to credit them on the download page then I will do so. Otherwise I am going to continue assuming that they are either indifferent or have no desire to be credited there. Most of them credit themselves inside their patch files anyway, so it would be redundant.

>>10667296
You know how they say "Don't redistribute this?"

That might be their opinion on the matter.

>>10667311
Oh, yeah. To that I say "like I give a shit." You put something out there publicly you gotta be pretty naive to think people aren't going to redistribute it. And ultimately you shouldn't give all that much of a fuck if people do. I have zero respect for translators that are so desperate for e-dick that they can't stand the thought of someone downloading the patch anywhere but their own website.

>>10667354
>claim credit
Anyone who seriously thinks I personally translated any of the VNs on my site is a fucking moron, and probably would have been too dumb to remember the translator's name either way.

>>10667342
Which is why you take their files, claim credit, and put your own shit in them. Obviously.

>>10667342
And I have no respect for you, who's trying to take all the e-dick(credit) without doing any work.

>>10667358
And earn money off them. Don't forget that.

>>10667342
>desperate for e-dick

I always figured it was because they didn't want their patch distributed with a pirated copy of the game. Which is exactly what you do.

>>10667358
Where do you see me taking credit for anything? I just provide links with a short description of the content. I've done nothing to imply that I'm responsible for creating it.

>>10667365
And you don't insert files saying "Brought to you by me, glorious me" either, do you?

>>10667363
And that's a fine and noble wish, but I don't see why I need to give a fuck about it. I don't post this shit because I want to glorify translators. I'm trying to help the people that actually read the VNs.

Besides, 90% of the translators that say that are just covering their asses so that if the content creators complain to them they can say that they did everything they could to prevent it being used with pirated copies.

>>10667368
If you download a torrent from demonoid that has a text file saying it was from demonoid, do you come to the conclusion that demonoid created the contents of the torrent? Of course not, that's completely retarded.

>>10667373
No. They're not.

Have you ever spoken to a single translator ever?

>>10667377
Yeah, I talk to tons of translators.

>>10667379
Name one.

>>10667355
You're giving something that you got for free to other people. If you just don't tell them where you got it, they're not going to question the source, they're just going to thank you for giving it to them.

>>10667379
You do realize that a lot of VN translators do read these threads. I doubt that you're making any friends right now.

>>10667382
I talked to Ixrec just the other day.

>>10655424
I wish he liked mecha, then maybe we'd get Baldr Sky.

>>10667389
If I give someone a book, and they thank me for it, does that mean I'm taking credit for writing the book? Of course not, what a crock of shit. Most of these translation patches have the translator's name plastered all over them (or at the very least inside the readme), so I doubt it stays a mystery for very long who was responsible.

>>10667397
Now this is some hilarious bullshit.

>>10667402
He did Galaxy Angel, that was sort of mecha.

Well, at least this ErogeDownload drama makes for a nice change of pace from the usual Cudder/Aaeru bitching.

>>10667410

Your implication that mechs and spaceships are similar hurts my brain.

http://vndb.org/t3380#5

Damn you guys are getting trolled hard, the owner said that he hasnt been doing shit.

>>10667483
The angel frames are kind of mecha-ish. They have heads and arms and shit.

>>10667496

Only Kung-fu Fighter looks vaguely mechaish. The others just look like oddly designed spaceships.

>>10667483
/m/ discusses fighter planes and spaceships too.

Can I get something newer than SEENr78_FV.txt for Clannad Full Voice? clannad.game-maps.net is dead as far as I can tell

>>10667877
I don't think that makes spaceships mecha (although some are).

Does /m/ discuss ordinary robots? Like, real-life robots from the weird (BigDog) to the humanoid (ASIMO)?

>>10668611
Just Gendum and Tokushit mostly.

>>10667494
just like me?

>>10669027
You're less effective at it, though.

At least here. Maybe /vg/ is dumb enough to believe you, I don't know.

Anyone having trouble running the latest Eushully translation without crashing right away, change the DEP settings for the executables.

http://erogedownload.com/trollstrollingtrolls.txt

>>10670841
Totally believable, Ivan.

I hate erogedownload and fuwanovel so fucking much. They cater to the lowest common denominator of the VN community. If translated VNs weren't so easily available for download, there wouldn't be so many retards.

>>10672650
We fucking hate you too.

>>10672650

>>10672650
I hate translators so fucking much. They cater to the lowest common denominator of the VN community. If translated VNs weren't available, there wouldn't be so many retards

>>10673351
You must be masochistic to come onto a translation thread then.

>>10673395
most likely retarded too

Fuwanovel is seriously cancer.

It was created by an attention whore, who has no talents and who creates stupid arguments whereever she goes.

It claims that buying products is evil.

It come's out as if it had the support of people in the vn translation scene, which is a complete opposite of the truth.

It often advertises yaoi stuff on it's front page.
(Do you guys really wanna see more retarded fuyoshi's reading vn's and screaming obnoxiously about their titles?)

It has completely retarded ideas about why vn's aren't popular in the west. (because games require installation...)
They advertise vn's which are playable on the browser, even though they don't even work properly.

Aeru spams it's cancer and ideas everywhere she goes.

>>10672734
Fuck off, Cudder.

>>10673503
>It claims that buying products is evil.

Why did you list this with the rest? Do you honestly disagree with that?

>>10673791
They claim that copyright is evil.
Yes, I do most definately disagree.

Though, buying stuff from mangagamer or j-list propably doesn't help the scene and is detrimental, so in that _spesific_ case I wouldn't disagree.

>>10674268
Why do you disagree? I can't stand copyright.

>>10674539
Because capitalism and the arts would collapse without it.

>>10674593
No, they wouldn't. Stop parroting the shit the Jews say.

>>10672734
Fuck off, pooder

>>10674600
Not even the people who think copyright laws are out of date think that copyright shouldn't exist at all, you dipshit.

>>10674600
Why would someone create music, games or a book if they could not make a living off doing that?

>>10674665
Or program software.

That thing that everyone in the world uses nowadays.

>>10674665
>>10674672
They didn't have copyright just three centuries ago.

>>10674740
And there weren't gun laws before there were guns. What's your point?

>>10674740
The world has changed from three centuries ago. People now live to make a living, to support their family, to buy a nice house and a good car. All of that takes money.

>>10674783
>>10674786
Beethoven not ringing any bells?

>>10674888
Germany had copyright precedent dating back to around the 16th century, you moron. Plus they had enacted actual full copyright law before he published anything at all.

>>10674934
You're going to need to provide a citation.

>>10674978
1501: Sodalitas Rhenana Celtica. Protection of published dramas.
1512: Imperial protection for all printed materials by Stradius.
1794: The Prussian Statute Book of 1794. Protects all authors against unauthorized reprints.

>>10675021
I repeat:
>>10674978

The logic that nobody would do anything if not for copyright is more than a little faulty, mind you.

>>10675036
Are you seriously disputing that these specific historical things exist?

>>10675077
No? How did you even manage to think that's what I meant...?

>>10675036
People would do some stuff, but nothing that requires them to pay other people and get a lot of people to collaborate. For VNs, even if one guy manages to do all the art, story, and programming himself, which would take years, he's not going to pay for it to be voiced if he doesn't "own" the final product.

Getting rid of copyright would have to be accompanied with a complete change in how everything is done. You couldn't just get rid of it and assume it will work out.

>>10675084
>I want a citation
>Here are the events
>No. I want a citation

>>10675092
No fucking shit, the system would have to change for copyright to be properly abolished. But that new system will never really come so long as copyright remains.

>>10675099
Keep abusing the quote function, surely all of your woes will be solved.

>>10675111
Well if you want to argue against copyright, you should think of a system that would replace it first. Because I have never heard any suggestions that sound like they would actually work.

>>10675111
The system without copyright law is "Whoever has the most money and power gets everything. The other 99.99999% of the world gets absolutely nothing."

>>10675134
Care to explain how?

>>10675126
One thing I can think of is crowdfunding for a project.
http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/jason-rohrer/freeDistribution.html

>>10675126
You sell it in stores, even though there's no copyright, and people buy it.

>>10675163
Preposterous!

>>10675163
>You sell it in stores, even though there's no copyright, and people buy it.
You're a joke. You know what would happen then? Whoever has the most money would print off their own version of it and sell it for half the price. After all, their only costs are printing it. No development costs. Free money for the people already on the top.

>>10675186
You would, of course, be forced to label your bootleg copies as bootleg copies.

>>10675195
Why? There's no copyright. And if there's no difference between yours and theirs, why would it matter to the consumer?
In fact, let's take it a step further. The big dogs just give it away to get rid of a competitor. Oh hey. Now they have a monopoly.

>>10675160
I think crowdfunding is a great idea, and should be used more than it is. In fact, I think it would be a great way to get VNs *translated*. But I don't think it can completely replace copyright. If everyone did that, it would be very hard for new companies to enter a business. Why would someone donate money to an unknown over someone who made a game they kind of liked?

>>10675163
And with electronic media, everyone just downloads it from a large, now legal, torrent site.

>>10675208
>Why?
Because it's the law.

>And if there's no difference between yours and theirs, why would it matter to the consumer?
Some people like to support artists.

>The big dogs just give it away to get rid of a competitor. Oh hey. Now they have a monopoly.
They might even do something downright dastardly like put a copy of it on the internet. And we all know every artist whose CDs hit the internet go out of business the next day.

>>10675228
>And we all know every artist whose CDs hit the internet go out of business the next day.
Music artists can make money through concerts. Game makers, Writers, VN companies etc cannot. Plus, artists DO make money from selling stuff online because their stuff IS copyrighted, and people buy it. So your argument is wrong in pretty much every way possible.

>>10675228
>Because it's the law.
But in this world there is no copyright law.

>Some people like to support artists.
Do you really think that artists get by on donations alone?

>They might even do something downright dastardly like put a copy of it on the internet. And we all know every artist whose CDs hit the internet go out of business the next day.
Nonsensical, misleading, and an incredibly bad slippery slope argument. Try again.

>>10675240
>Game makers, Writers, VN companies etc cannot.
People can go out and buy the official games, the official books, or the official VNs.

>Plus, artists DO make money from selling stuff online because their stuff IS copyrighted, and people buy it.
I guess artists manage to stay in business selling CDs even though people can get them for free! Crazy, dude!

>>10675256
>But in this world there is no copyright law.
Presumably there's a new law on the books insisting that copies of works not blessed by the author must be labeled as unauthorized copies.

>Do you really think that artists get by on donations alone?
Every CD bought today is a "donation." Most music is available for free online.

>Nonsensical, misleading, and an incredibly bad slippery slope argument. Try again.
All three of those apply to your "monopoly" argument. Mine was just pointing out that there's a huge fucking hole in it.

>>10675257
>I guess artists manage to stay in business selling CDs even though people can get them for free! Crazy, dude!
Yes, and stores manage to stay in business despite the fact that you can shoplift. Because a lot of people don't do it, because it is against the law. It would be completely different if the stuff was actually designated as free. When was the last time you donated money to the maker of a free flash game?

>>10675257
>People can go out and buy the official games, the official books, or the official VNs.
Why would they do that when they could legally get the exact same thing for free? What's more, if the big company actually put even the slightest bit of effort into scrubbing out the original's (no laws against it, remember?) they wouldn't even know who created it in the first place. Furthermore, there would probably be hundreds of people claiming to be the creator anyway. Nothing's stopping them.

>>10675273
>Every CD bought today is a "donation." Most music is available for free online.
This is just delusional.

>Presumably there's a new law on the books insisting that copies of works not blessed by the author must be labeled as unauthorized copies.
And this makes no sense.

>>10675277
>Yes, and stores manage to stay in business despite the fact that you can shoplift. Because a lot of people don't do it, because it is against the law.
People don't do it because they will get caught.

>When was the last time you donated money to the maker of a free flash game?
I haven't ever. But then, I practically never buy things, either.

>Why would they do that when they could legally get the exact same thing for free?
Because they want to support the artist. Nobody refuses to download shit because they are literally terrified the FBI will rape them.

>>10675273
>All three of those apply to your "monopoly" argument. Mine was just pointing out that there's a huge fucking hole in it.
No, they don't. Do you know nothing of the history of monopolies? Or even what Microsoft was doing and why they had the government come down on them? If you remove all laws preventing people from simply copying your shit and reselling it as their own, what's going to happen is that whoever can afford to sell it the cheapest, or even give it away, will do that while continuing to use their money and clout to keep the same from happening to their own IP.

>>10675290
>This is just delusional.
A stellar argument.

>And this makes no sense.
I am positing how a theoretical society in which copyright did not exist would try and maintain creator incentives.

>>10675302
>Because they want to support the artist.
In your copyright-free world, there is no artist to support because it's in the interest of whoever copied it to not include that information. Or there are 200 people all claiming to be the artist asking for your money. Either way, it's the same thing.

>>10675308
>Do you know nothing of the history of monopolies?
I know what they are, but I am not very familiar with software monopolies.

>Or even what Microsoft was doing and why they had the government come down on them?
I read about it once, but don't remember much.

>If you remove all laws preventing people from simply copying your shit and reselling it as their own, what's going to happen is that whoever can afford to sell it the cheapest, or even give it away, will do that while continuing to use their money and clout to keep the same from happening to their own IP.
Microsoft will start to issue Linux CDs for free? Stallman had better watch out!

>>10675302
>People don't do it because they will get caught.
People also worry about getting caught online. You completely ignored the main point, which is that people would think about a product differently if it was legally free. They would feel no obligation to purchase it. At the moment, even though you can theoretically get everything online, people feel obligated to purchase things because pirating is illegal.

>>10675317
What? Did somebody strike all the anti-fraud laws off the books, too?

>>10675320
>At the moment, even though you can theoretically get everything online, people feel obligated to purchase things because pirating is illegal.
There's nothing theoretical about it. Perhaps in a society without copyright, people will feel obligated to purchase things because pirating is immortal.

>>10675210
>Why would someone donate money to an unknown over someone who made a game they kind of liked?

That "problem" exists with copyright as well, you know. All they have to do is put effort into it.

>>10675337
> Perhaps in a society without copyright, people will feel obligated to purchase things
Well then, we just need to mind control everyone to make them not do immoral things and we won't even need laws! Brilliant plan!

'>>10675351
When you said that "people feel obligated to buy them because it's illegal," this is a moral feeling. Your statement could just as well have been rewritten, "people buy them because they think it's immoral to break the law." Nobody installed mind control machines to make them think this way. They just do.

>>10675337
That's not fraud in a legal sense. And since much of what we're talking about is electronic media and copying code, it would be literally impossible to prove.
Indie developer X releases something new?
Corporation Y releases the same thing 8 hours later worldwide for half the price with a slightly different skin and a bonus feature. Nothing's keeping them from just taking the code after all.

>>10675402
Claiming that you are the original author of something you are not the original author of is fraud.

It may be that in a society without copyright, there may be laws requiring _attribution_. Bootlegged copies may be required to be accompanied by marks saying, "this copy was produced without permission of the original creators."

>>10675337
>people will feel obligated to purchase things because pirating is immortal.
>immortal

Leaving that aside, piracy is explicitly the act of violating copyright law. If copyright law doesn't exist, then neither can pirating.

>>10675386
Exactly, people are currently think in a way that works well with copyright. If you can guarantee that even without laws, people will feel obligated to pay for free things (unlikely. The point of the flash game example earlier was that almost nobody pays for stuff like that), then a world without copyright would work. But unless you can mind control people to make them think that way, getting rid of it would most likely just make it so that nobody buys anything.

>>10675430
Piracy is an act of criminal violence at sea. It has gained use as a slang term for "copyright infringement." Perhaps it will become a slang term for "unauthorized copying" in the future. Unauthorized copying and redistribution would not be illegal. It would simply be unauthorized.

>>10675423
>Claiming that you are the original author of something you are not the original author of is fraud.
No, it's not. Copyright law is what guarantees proper attribution.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=515882

>>10675449
Suppose that copyright laws are eradicated and replaced by attribution laws, then. Or just strike the "no copying or redistributing" clause off copyright and continue to call it copyright. I agree that attribution is important and that systems without it are probably doomed to fail.

>>10675442
I agree that abolishing copyright is not something that can happen overnight, if it happens at all. My only point from the beginning of this thread was that copyrights are not absolutely necessary for creative industries to thrive.

One of the bigger problems, I think, is that companies who produce massive software programs that are _tools_ rather than _media_ will survive, such as Photoshop or FruityLoops. Obligation works well for brands that people feel attached to, such as bands and authors, but not so much for a professional graphic designer who doesn't want to blow two thousand dollars on software.

>>10675500
>I agree that abolishing copyright is not something that can happen overnight, if it happens at all. My only point from the beginning of this thread was that copyrights are not absolutely necessary for creative industries to thrive.

It's necessary for individual artists and developers to even survive against those big corporations, and the creative industries are certainly not going to thrive without them.

>>10675547
The doujin scene is full of artists. Not that copyright doesn't apply to them, too, but I doubt they would disappear if copyright law were to disappear.

>>10675589
You think that'd really hold up if Kodansha was scanning and then giving away their materials for free? Or using their huge publishing houses to make giant compilations and selling them for pennies profit each? They can afford to do that since they have the infrastructure to do shit in bulk. The individuals cannot.

>>10675641
They wouldn't even survive that long. Doujin artists break even as it is and creating physical printed material isn't cheap. If they were all out of pocket hundreds or thousands of dollars plus time spent every time they did something because people could then get it from someone else for free, they'd either go out of business or spark absurd inflation.

>>10675641
Most artists would cream themselves with delight if Kodansha started mass-distributing their doujins for free.

>>10675712
That's why they all make all their work freely available instead of selling it, right?

>>10675712
>>10675641
And the idea that Kodansha would try and put Morino Hon out of business is so fucking astoundingly ridiculous that I don't know why we're even entertaining this idea.

>>10675735
They have to recoup the costs of printing.

If Kodansha wants to take that cost off their hands and print ten times as many copies besides, that's fantastic.

>>10675737
They're not trying to put them out of business. Just make a free quick buck. They can print in massive bulk, easily undercut the doujin artists, and afford to have a much lower profit margin because they're selling in bulk too. The big company has all the advantages and the artist throws away their own money and gets nothing.

>>10675747
I meant they could post it on their sites. They don't though, because being a fan is one thing, but burning money and hard work for nothing is a quick way to become very poor.

>>10675751
Anyone who wants his work for free would have downloaded it anyway. Doujin artists live off the support of the people who visit Comiket, who probably won't quit visiting if Kodansha starts releasing huge touhou compilation books.

>>10675776
If people could get more of the same (once rare/collectable) thing for less effort and for free, you bet your ass they won't be going.

>>10675793
It's not the same. It's a bootleg.

>>10675800
No copyright laws, remember? No such thing as bootlegging. It's identical in every way. It's a copy.

>>10675807
It's like you didn't read a single fucking thing I wrote in this thread.

>>10675811
Yeah. You think that a little sticker on the cover saying "not official" is enough to spur people to go running out, find the official creator, and throw handfuls of cash at them instead of sticking with the identical cheaper, more available, and more convenient product.

Because you're retarded.

You guys are all retarded. Since this thread has been derailed anyways, I'll add my two cents (and probably start a new VN translation discussion thread for on-topic discussion).

I'll handle two points. The first is creation of art without profit, the second is monetizing art even if others can resell your stuff.

Creation of art without getting any profit from it. I hadn't expected /jp/ of all places to not see how this does not pose any problem; large-scale productions will clearly be impossible without profit, but how many free games are there out there? How much free art is being drawn? How many people are writing stories hoping only for people to actually read them? How many people are making music hoping to ever reach any people outside of their hometown? There's a bazillion artists out there of all kinds, constantly producing new art without receiving any money in return.

The only issue we could get here is a reduction of quality and of universality; we'll never get movies made with Hollywood budgets again, nor will we all be talking about the same couple of movies (despite the existence of countless more non-Hollywood movies). However, even high quality is possible for free, as evidenced by the music industry; only the most popular of the most popular artists genuinely make money off of their career. Most artists are screwed over so hard by their record labels that in practice they get less than minimum wage. Yet they continue making high-quality music despite that. Creation of such music is possible even without the financial incentive; only the distribution (record labels that get the actual money) is harmed.

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Monetizing art even when people can copy your stuff. We are currently used to the most common business model, which consists of
1) Make something
2) Sell it
It's an ages-old business model dating back to physical goods (where it was usually the best of the very few possibilities), but is far from the only possibility. Did you know that there are companies making a living off of making free flash games? And this site, you can access it for free, even though it costs money to host it. (Moot may not make a profit off of it, but the hosting company definitely does.) You can view videos for free on YouTube, and well, most of the internet is simply free. It's simply because there are many other possible business models, such as:
-Using income from advertisements
-Offering subscription, premium services or micropurchases linked to central external components (for example, regardless of lack of copyright, you can be the only one to host a game server and "selling" these things due to being the only one who has the server program)
-Crowdfunding
-Sponsoring (generally commercial, though individual is possible; I pay you $50 to draw my favorite character)
-Selling service/convenience (being the first to sell the new products, regular updates only if you buy from creator, etc)
And so on. The possibilities are endless. People won't only buy because it's the only way to use the product, people will also give money for services or convenience.

>>10676182
>only the most popular of the most popular artists genuinely make money off of their career
>only the distribution (record labels that get the actual money)
You're already contradicting yourself.

>>10676186
I love how almost all of your examples aren't even possible, and the rest rely on exclusive distribution.

New thread (for actual VN translation discussion): >>10676217

>>10676222
What the fuck? How new can you even be? Delete that thread right now.

>>10676222
>new thread
>thursday evening

Seriously?

>>10676188
How is that contradicting myself? 99% of the artists get screwed, 1% is so important to the label that they can force them to pay them decently. In the end, only a small fraction of the money goes to artists, even including the well-paid ones.

>>10676198
Not at all exclusive distribution - remember that you, as creator, have the advantage of being the only person able to properly expand on the product. If you're making a game, you're the only one with the code, they only have the executable. If you're making music, they can re-release music you've already released, but they can't release music until after you've released it for the first time. And so on. As for 'the rest' not being 'possible', all of the ones I listed are actually being used commercially. Not every option is available for every form of art, but they are all genuine business models.

>>10676226
>>10676229
New enough to have done it before to positive reception. Thursday is still half a week away from Sunday.

>>10676247
Again, no. Delete that shit, it's clear you don't realize we've have VNTS threads go down in flames with no new one made until next week.

>>10676241
>How is that contradicting myself?
You're saying that only the people with all the money profit off their career, and that only the people who make all the money can suffer. Famous recording artists have already been caught listening some guy in a club, stealing their music, and using their own popularity to sell it. Take away copyright, and that's perfectly a-okay. The rich will just get richer while the poor and unable to protect their creations suffer.

>If you're making a game, you're the only one with the code
Not without copyright law. Everyone has it.

>If you're making music, they can re-release music you've already released, but they can't release music until after you've released it for the first time.
Takes 5 seconds, costs them next to nothing so they can undercharge you and take all the sales, and I guarantee you they have better reach and distribution.

>>10676247
>Sunday
It's made on Saturday, you asshat. Or it's currently Friday in your timezone.

>>10676254
What is wrong with making a new thread? Do we have to keep any VN news we stumble upon or want to discuss to ourselves until the holy ritual starts again on Sunday? VNs these days are limited to only the VNTS thread and the VN general, and the VN general is terrible for 'English-only peasants'. I'm not going to go half a week without any VN translation news discussion just because such a thread is apparently not as acceptable to create as 'which 2hu fuk' by the current userbase. Seriously, fuck you. /jp/ is still the VN board to me, and I will discuss VNs here.

>>10676182
>>10676186
None of this works for an author or a songwriter. It would make it literally impossible for those people to make money. They can't talk to a publisher because it would be completely legal for the publisher to make and use copies however they want. They could self-publish, but that's expensive and still wouldn't stop someone from taking their material and releasing it themselves for cheaper.

>>10676270
>It's made on Saturday, you asshat. Or it's currently Friday in your timezone.
Correct. For most of the world, the thread is made on Sunday; for me, it's Sunday 3 AM.

>>If you're making a game, you're the only one with the code
>Not without copyright law. Everyone has it.
...have you ever coded before? Like, ever? Even heard of how its done? It goes like this: We type a bazillion lines of text that are incomprehensible to non-programmers, push a button, and a .exe file (or whatever you're compiling to) rolls out. The .exe file does not contain the code, in the same way food does not contain its recipe; you can try to reverse engineer it to find out how it's made, but it takes a lot of effort and you'll never come close to how it was originally made. The programmer can easily make changes by just changing his code a little, while for people who don't have access to the coder's HDD (or repository) it takes complicated hacking operations to make even minor changes. VN hacking is a good example of lots of work to do a simple thing; if hackers had the actual code, it'd be done in no time.

>Takes 5 seconds, costs them next to nothing so they can undercharge you and take all the sales, and I guarantee you they have better reach and distribution.
Anything released at Comiket is also distributed on the internet with infinitely better reach and distribution. It still sells, if only through obscurity (meaning nobody goes through the effort to put it online quickly).

>The rich will just get richer while the poor and unable to protect their creations suffer.
It was an argument for why people will keep creating music. They will be poor, but they will still create.

>>10676339
>...have you ever coded before? Like, ever? Even heard of how its done?
And as soon as the big guys see it's popular, they'll reverse it in a day. But they don't even need to do that. No copyright laws, remember? They can just start selling it as is for half your price. Your exclusivity on being able to modify portions of it will not last long if it is at all profitable for them to it themselves. And even if you did, so what? They can just redistribute your updates a few minutes after you make them available again.

>>10676339
>comparing the 2-3 VN hackers to Microsoft or Sony's programming capabilities

u wot

>>10676088
I pointed this out already. People buy CDs even though those CDs are available online, because their morality compels to do so. You have yet to broach an actual challenge to this other than "you're retarded."

>>10676284
If you really don't see what the problem is, then you need to get the fuck out of /jp/.