/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>11782185

Hau~~au~~

Rika-sempai!

>tfw no nipah gf

>>11782847
You haven't looked hard enough.

Rika is beautiful

>>11783085
naitomaro fueru

>>11782864
not that guy, but nah man I want my nipah gf to be the queen carrier of a personality-changing deathparasite you feel me?

>>11782668
Rika is not particularly impressed by your antics!

Do you think that after a hundred years that Rika ever fucked anyone?

mii~☆

>>11784038
Only Satoko, Hanyuu, Keiichi, Rena, Mion, Shion, Satoshi, Ooishi, Takano, Irie, Okonogi, Tomitake, Kasai, Kasai's Shotgun, Teipei, Teipei's Bitch, Akasaka, Akasaka's Daughter, Shmion's Mother, Kenta-kun, The Curry Teacher, and most of all, herself.

I just started watching this anime the other day. it is so cool

>>11784243
I'm so envious of you. I wish I could erase my memories about Higurashi and watch it again endless times.

>>11784291
i wish i could do that, too. Except i woulddn't watch it ever.

>>11784243
>>11784291
LOL! Killer lolies amirite?

No, fuck off. Either read the fucking novel or kill yourself.

Saigoroshi-hen is the truth. Rika is a friendless, slutty, miserable murderer.

Search your heart: you know this to be correct.

>>11784409
ok I will read it. Thanks for being a cunt about it though

>>11784038
She doesn't have the hormones to think that way.
She's just a 9 year old kid who has stayed that age for over a hundred years.

>>11784444
maybe so but she is a cutie pie

>>11786076
Then why is she a drunk hag?

>>11786258
Same reason why girls start drinking, they get depressed.
I'm sure Rika didn't start drinking until she reached about 50 years old or something, when her only true pleasure was really to get drunk every night.

>>11786102
Yes, but she uses her body to manipulate the boys. That's why everyone hates her.

And she's dead. Not cute at all.

>>11786076
If we needed hormones to think that way then the human race would long be extinct. The purpose of life is to fuck and die. That's how evolution works. Given that Rika dies a lot then we can assume that she fucks a lot too.

That aside, if she isn't like that, then why does she wear her Angel Mort's costume to see Akasaka during Watanagashi in Matsuribayashi? And why does she always complain about her boobs being too small?

Face it, as much as we love her, the girl is a total nymphomaniac.

>>11787106
>nymphomaniac
Those purposes only unlock once you reach teenhood and start getting interested in the opposite sex.

Her lack of breast is just another thing she lacks that she knows she'll get once she grows older. She'll get taller, she'll be stronger, and she'll have boobs.

And she just dressed in her best outfit to see Akasaka. She loves him for what he was able to do for her but she doesn't think sexually of him like that, or at least I don't think so since she was teasing him when his wife was next to him and Rika knows how important his wife is to Akasaka by how much he cries when she is lost to him.

Though I would be surprised if she fucked Satoko on a whim. Or masturbated to see how Hanyuu would react to it.
But like everything else, once you've done it and it doesn't lead anywhere, a bottle is always your friend.

>>11782185
You are not fooling me again, bern.

>>11788841
Mii, who's bern?

>>11788841
You know you'll fall in love with her again by WTC5.

>>11789434
I can't wait to see Space Nipa~

>>11789434
>>11789463
Will she be the bad guy again, or will the Satoko/Takano blob thing get to do it? Or maybe a new character all together?

>>11783085
You know at first I was horrified.
But now I am like, that is fine too

>>11789662
I'm going to bet we won't have a meta being this time around.
I mean, it's a Sci-fi setting. Bringing in magic and stuff doesn't make sense.

Though R07 hinted that it might be a curse over multiple locations rather than just a single catbox which affect multiple people somehow, so who knows.

>>11790080
Sci-fi and magic are mixed all the time. Ever played 7 Days a stranger?

>>11790099
*7 Days a skeptic

>>11790099
I'm not saying they can't be mixed, I'm no fool, but R07 always brings mystery, curses and whatnot, only to ground most of it in reality and superstition.

To just bring witches when half the galaxy has quatrillion of spaceships flying around with moon bases and whatnot seems counterproductive.

>>11790080
The nature of kakera as 5D travel (or 6D to travel in a sea of fragments, or just 4D if your a "time loop" anime faggot) could be argued to place the series in the Scifi genre.

>>11790165
>To just bring witches when half the galaxy has quatrillion of spaceships flying around with moon bases and whatnot seems counterproductive.
Sounds like the Star Wars when you consider that the force is basically magic. I don't think that fantasy and scifi are so mutually exclusive.

>>11790080
Source?

>>11790165
I don't seen any problem. Dune, Star Wars, and W40k, to name a few big series, do that all the time and no one bat an eyelash. You can have big space ships and mysterious beings manipulating the will of men behind the scene. In fact, you can argue that Magical Post-Singularity beings like what they have in the Culture are nothing short of magic. They are nominally grounded in science, but for a true scientist they are magical beings just too hypocrite to admit it.

If Ryuk07 wanted to really cash on this duality, he could present Bernkastel as an fractal energy being of the 7th dimension in a Calabi-Yau subspace. After all, that's what Iain Banks did (god bless his soul now that he can't write any further).

I don't think the new series takes place in the When They Cry continuity, though. If I remember correctly, it's a new series.

>>11791128
Some interview a while back when he was discussing the possibility of making another WtC.
Can't remember where. Sorry.

The pamphlet mentions many colonies so it's possible that it's what we're getting.
It's likely going to be setting jumps between one area to another rather than timeloops but it's still possible that timeloops will be included, wouldn't be a WtC without it.

>One world exists in the distant future.
>The General Earth Alliance advances into outer space. Past the sun, they voyage into the depths of the Milky Way.

>Now, can you see the tiny fireworks flickering in the depths of space?

>Those tiny fireworks, they are the light of the 200 thousand warships from both sides of the UA$ galactic war fleet, sunk in space warfare that has endured from the beginning of civilization.
>Both sides, having amassed immense losses from war in the depths of space, avoid galactic conflict.
>Several colonial planets, last thought of in a time before the Galactic Century, shall be entrusted to become the location for the war's skirmishes.

>Coming in Winter 2014!

>>11791209
Yeah, I see your point, never mind what I said about magic.
I'm still curious to see how far he did his research for writing this new work.

And I think it does take place in the WtC continuity, just several years in the future. I would be surprised if we see the Sonozaki inc somewhere.

>>11791280
Well, I strongly think that Ryukishi07 will naturally try to tone down the meta elements for the next WtC. If only for change sake from Umineko Chiru, and because making another meta story would be very exhausting for his mental health. The meta-elements of Umineko is a kind of one-trick pony. It works well, but only once.

So I would bet half my (NEET) fortune that whatever is the next WtC, Bern and Lambda influences will be shown very indirectly, with cryptic poems Higurashi-style, talking shadows and half dreams at the very best.

>>11782668
Which episode is that from?
I don't remember it in Kai or Rei

>>11792666
Outbreak.

On the topic of outbreak, did we ever discover whether Takano was listed as a co-author of the short story or not?

And why is Outbreak's website now removed?

>>11793475
Last I remember, we decided that someone should go find someone who actually bought the soundtrack to Daybreak and beg the to scan whatever's in it. Now we're just waiting for that noble soul to come forth.

>>11793475
It would make sense for Takano to be the co-author along with Ryukishi, since the events of Outbreak are canonically impossible in the Higurashi universe.

>>11797312
More impossible then Kira?

I dunno what to say... Except that I really in love with Rika-chan. Nipaaah~

Satoko is better then Rika.

I hope WTC5 has no more Rikas. She doesn't deserve to live.

>>11797736
Nope, Satoko is better WHEn she is RIKA.

>>11797747
>Satoko is on top when she is in RIKA

>>11797736
>>11797747
Please guys, can't we love them both? They are both sweet and cute. The only one we shouldn't love is Hanyuu.

>>11797559
Yes, because Kira is possible with enough money and small bombs. Except Rena's bare ass scene, which is impossible because the fact that Rena's got an ASS is just mindblowing. It didn't have any foreshadowing either.

>>11797736
>>11797747
>>11797755
Abused girls with no positive male role model are often very easy to psychologically manipulate. She's has a stuttering idiot for a brother, gets harassed and taunted by a delusional cop, she gets hit on by a maid fetishist with very little respect for human life, she has a stupid thuggish brute as a guardian, her best male friend likes to shoot little girls in the face, she is ostracized by her village who'd stick her head on a pike if it would please some old cunt, and on top of that, she has the murder of her parents hanging over her head for the rest of her life.

Give her just a little bit of positive attention for even just a second and she'll submit to your most despicable fantasies and violent abuse. Go ahead, pat her on the head and tell her you love her, then convince her that Rena and Rika are bad for her and keep them separate, maybe show her the wonderful world of a hard drug or two. In six months you can have her turning tricks in Roppongi for you until she gets strangled and Yakuza covers it up. Then she can finally be at peace.

>>11798114
Satoko is for gentle love, not for abusing.

You are low class recently, /jp/.

What would /jp/ realistically do if he moved to Hinamizawa in the 80's? Keep in mind that /jp/ is one yet many.

I'd try to befriend Mion... Hopefully she wouldn't bully me. She is a good girl.

>>11798130
Probably just have fun.

>>11798114
Don't reply to me with my own post copied from a previous thread you shit! I wrote that to make the person I responded too feel bad, but you've stripped that context just to hurt Satoko! You're a bad person.

>>11797736
Satoko is sex.
Rika is everything and more.
Both are good.

>>11798114
Satoko was always one finger away from just completely breaking down anyways, you just need to give her a little push and she goes completely dependent again.

>>11787404
>and she'll have boobs.

>>11799812
>using DEEN as a reference
I swear, in the next spinoff of Higurashi we're getting this summer, we're going to see older Rika with breast, you'll see.

I dreamt Rika last night. It was pretty scary.

>>11786076
9 year olds are still lewd, but not knowingly. It's more of a curiosity-driven lewdness. They may or may not have sex.

>>11799982
Did you dream about Rika or Bern?
This is important.

>>11800018
Furude Rika, probably. I think she was wearing her school outfit.

Why is this important?

>>11799982
did u fuk her

>>11800034
No. I woke up as soon as I saw her.

>>11800032
Personal research.
I've tried to dream about Bern or Rika but I've been unable to dream for a while and neither seem to manifest themselves.

>>11800039
I think Bernkastel doesn't want you to dream about her alternate personality.

>>11800059
Why not?

>>11800080
Because it makes Bernkastel remember her past self and she likely doesn't want anyone to interfere with the happiness bestowed upon Rika.

>>11800140
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbt1nMk7HNw

>>11786076
>>11800003
Not that it matters, but Rika is fucking 11 or else Himatsubushi doesn't make sense.

>>11800140
Rika was raped and killed by some sicko when she was 14.

>>11800059
You may be on to something. I had a couple of dreams about Rika before, but since Umineko, none. Yet, I did have one of Bern herself talking to me, but I don't know what she was saying. In fact, is say thy my loli dreams have decreased 90% in the last few years. Is Bern punishing me for lusting after Rika? Do you think I could earn forgiveness if I do it to Erika instead?

Why didn't Rika do an exhaustive search of every possible killer?

>>11803953
Her personality transfer is probably not allowed by the rules of the game. That could be why Rika forgt all about the Minagoroshi world in Matsuribayashi and had to have Hanyuu convince her, despite supposedly burning it into her soul.

Who knows how many trillions of dead Rikas accumulated in the logic error before they said fuck the rules and started screwing around.

>>11799812
>>11799962

such optimism!

>>11803953
She honestly did. I wouldn't be surprised if she spent every single moment checking all her friends, every single person in the village, every nugget of space and found absolutely nothing over and over.
The issue is that most of the relevant useful information outside of her friends turning insane, such as Tokyo's inner working and Takano's backstory, was unknown to everyone and Takano never spoke of it.
And the fact that Takano's body died earlier was always passed off as a glitch or human error that it never made its way to Rika's ear. Not to mention that information always came out the day before Rika died, which makes it even less likely that Rika could have ever find that out.
Not to mention that Rika never bothered to ask what happened to the village when she died, because, honestly, do you care what happens to the world after you die? You're not there to experience it. So Rika never saw it as a motive in any possible way.

All she knew was that there was no conspiracy like everyone thought there were, the people protecting her were randomly dying by an unknown X at a certain point for no reason, and no one took her warnings seriously enough to protect her.

I also suspect that if Rika tried intervened in the death of Takano and Tomitake, she would be attacked, subdued and forget everything about it. I truly think that preventing those two deaths was absolutely impossible for her and she would never be able to remember how they were killed due to the Yamainu keeping watch.

>>11804593
There's also the issue of Hanyuu and I suspect that she was bound by some gamerules in some way or another, such as her ability to only be able to follow people who are in the near L5 stages, which explains why she always follows and appears next to people who are going insane or are already insane. But it's also possible that Hanyuu can simply go everywhere and anywhere, but then again, if Takano never spoke about her past connection, why would Hanyuu even bother with her? Or she simply couldn't speak at all due to the gamerules, that's also possible.

>>11804445
I always thought that it was simply because Rika's mind was at her limits.
That Hanyuu spent so much energy to be a part of the gameboard in the final game, got Akasaka's complete memory to return and getting all of Rika's memories from the last time that it was too much for Rika to be able to recover everything, so she didn't recall anything.

It's also hilarious how fast Rika pieces everything together the moment she has a target to investigate.

Miyoko > Rika

>>11804465
She had a near eternity to dream about it.

Do you hear that?

It's the sound of a little girl crying in a corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BLsI5eVfQY

>>11804727
Dear You Hope is still more saddening.

>>11804849
That's Rika crying while writing poems.
It really just kills my heart listening to it.

You can truly feel the sorrow and regret in that song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTnHpEDYiOI

>>11804602
>I always thought that it was simply because Rika's mind was at her limits.
>That Hanyuu spent so much energy to be a part of the gameboard in the final game, got Akasaka's complete memory to return and getting all of Rika's memories from the last time that it was too much for Rika to be able to recover everything, so she didn't recall anything.
I interpret it differently. Hanyuu doesn't remember that it's Takano, or that there was another world, until she actually meets her. (Which raises the question, if she didn't remember, why did she place herself as a piece?)

>It's also hilarious how fast Rika pieces everything together the moment she has a target to investigate.
But she didn't! She did the "I'm researching this for a book" routine that no one bought and got the outline of the plot from the club.

Continuing to attack Hanyuu's character, why, if she is Rika's best friend and practically her mother, is she trusted so little? I can understand that she was skeptical that they saved Satoko, but it really wasn't nice to just deny it until someone else can check the plausibility.

But I've gone off on a tangent here when I'm supposed to be talking about my Kakera Censorship Hypothesis. Hanyuu is supposed to be a player on the gameboard (or at least an avatar of the player), then by all rights she should have been able to keep those memories herself, miricles performed or no. If I were to speculate on the rules, I'd say that there is probably some clause in there that says that it cannot be done with purely supernatural actions like soul transfer across parallel universes or having Hanyuu stalk the culprit. Hence Lambda's comment that she let Bern place her pieces anywhere she liked so she got checkmate right at the beginning.

>>11804849
>>11804868
Yeah, I cry to that one too. -Kind- is almost as good.

>>11809996
10/10 would molest

>>11810108
Please don't molest Rika. When you do that, they grow up to be hateful, spiteful, passive-aggressive bitches. It's bad enough having one Bern around, do you really want two?

"Akasaka-senpai, please take my virginity!"

>>11810315
Rika does not use honorifics.

>>11810315
>>11810383
And she's not a virgin. Confirmed in an interview after the Kai anime.

>>11810501
Link to interview. She fucked everyone at least once didn't she.

Rika might just be the most annoying character ever conceived. It's between her and Maria. Ryukishi sure has a knack for creating characters that make me want to kill myself.

>>11810569
annoying little girls

but he did a pretty good job...almost too good of a job

i'm worried R07 had too much experience on this subject

>>11810579
He used to be a social worker. I'd imagine that he'd know something about child abuse. At least he realizes that very little of it is sexual abuse, unlike shitty writers who jump straight to rape when they want to make someone a monster.

"Mii" is cuter than "nippa".

>>11799749
I want to make Satoko fart loudly in front of everyone.

Rika and Oiishi are the only victims to die virgins.

>>11812000
Who fucks Rena, Mion, and Shion?

>>11812799
Rena and Mion fuck each other after saying "fuck that faggot Keiichi" and making some needle ohagi.

Shion fucks Satoshi of course.

>>11812854
What is Rena's pussy like? This is relevant information.

>>11813107
Pickles.

>>11813216
Was that her secret to making them taste so good?

>>11812000
You forgot Tomitake.

>>11814556
No, he fucks Takano. There's 100's of pieces of proof of this in the archive, posted to convince Takanon his waifu is a slut. Go find them if you like.

>>11810864
Mii is also cuter than Nappa.

I secretly wish to touch Rika's chest and feel her heartbeat

Why dd they keep calling her 'Lika' in Outbreak? Is it a nickname or something?

>>11817919
>Rika
>Lika
Same translation

>>11817927
Only Rika is a real name while Lika is some made up shit.

>>11817919
Nips literally cannot hear the difference between the R's and L's, so some of them go their entire lives fucking up without anyone noticing.

Such is life with such a sound-poor language.

>>11817972
like Holo instead of Horo

>>11818065
There are plenty of phonemes that English speakers can't distinguish.

>>11819080
The ones that aren't in English aren't worth listening to.they are te rejects of civilization.

>>11819042
Both Holo and Horo sound made up.

>>11819365
>both
oh, i get it.
you're pretending to be retarded, right?

>>11819367
Neither of those are real names, unlike Rika.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/rika
http://www.behindthename.com/names/search.php?terms=holo&x=0&y=0&type=
http://www.behindthename.com/names/search.php?terms=horo&x=0&y=0&type=

"Nippah" sounds made up.

>>11819391
Mii~

>>11819393
oh very funny.
i'll give you that one

>>11819391
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispages/nipah.htm
>Nipah virus, also a member of the family Paramyxoviridae, is related but not identical to Hendra virus. Nipah virus was initially isolated in 1999 upon examining samples from an outbreak of encephalitis and respiratory illness among adult men in Malaysia and Singapore.
>Illness with Nipah virus begins with 3-14 days of fever and headache. This is followed by drowsiness and disorientation characterized by mental confusion. These signs and symptoms can progress to coma within 24-48 hours.

>>11819455
You fucker. I was going to post that.

>>11819391
"Nipaa" is an onomatopoeia for a bright smile. "Mii" is an onomatopoeia for meowing.

Rika likes to say onomatopoeias when she's trying to act cute.

>>11819473
How is "nippa" the sound a smile makes? My smile doesn't make any sound.... Should I see a doctor to get it fixed?

>>11819486
>How is "nippa" the sound a smile makes?
Baka gaijin won't understand onomatopeoia

>>11819473
not "nico"?
>>11819486
you jut have to be japanese. even your stare will make a sound

Rika still wets the bed, but she blames it on Satoko.

>>11819473
!Nipaa I just want to let you know that 3 years later you are still my single favorite person on the entire internet.

>>11819559
じ。。。

When did "zzz" become synonymous with sleeping?

>Nipah thread
>No posts by Nipah woo

I'm quoting my disappointment.

>>11819666
When did "bang" become synonymous with an explosion?

>>11819696
actually, it's gunshot. Explosion is "boom"

>>11819696
Bang is a word though. So is Boom.

Pomf is a good one, although I don't think I've ever heard someone use that outside of cartoons.

>>11819717
>cartoons
whut

>>11819742
Anime = Cartoons

>>11819752
still on that, eh?
i thought we agreed it was different enough to be its own thing?

>>11819754
Who's we? I don't give a heck what you /a/ people agreed on. The only difference is that one is Japanese.

Should we call Japanese bikes jidensha because they're "different enough to be their own thing"?

>>11819783
cartoons aren't the same thing as animation. the lion king isn't a "cartoon" either

>>11819783
>>11819784
haha very funny.

so we call /co/fags weeaboos now?

>>11819784
If cartoon isn't animation, what is it then?

I can understand you distinguish comics from manga because you have the "you read them differently" excuse, but cartoons and anime are the same thing.

>>11819793
look at the damn industries.
tell me, do you see the same thing?

>>11819796
Yes, they both try to pander to their fanbases.

>>11819797
and they both make moving drawings, don't forget that.
so /co/ is weeaboo now?

>>11819809

>>11819809
No, because they don't think japs are superior at everything like you do.

>>11819833
oh, hello /co/
if you just came, i suggest opening a new thread to discuss this.
since this is irrelavant to the opening post.
i just unironically typed that

>>11819835

>>11819833
/co/fags are also humongous whiteknights

>>11819845
>>11819813

wat

>>11819813
>>11819845
I see what you're doing.
Please don't stop

>>11819862
>>11819852

>>11819864
Okay that's just plain obnoxious, and not even cute.

>>11819867
You know who else is obnoxious?

SURPRISE

>>11819869

>>11819603
She wouldn't wet her bed if she wasn't an alcoholic.

I want to smoke weed with Rika.

>>11820753
Weed-ka.

I'd smoke weed with Takano. She looks like she's a heavy smoker.

>>11820753
Stoned Hanyuu would be hilarious

I want to forget that I ever read Higurashi and read it again
How do I best accomplish this

>>11821378
Alzheimers

>>11782185
I feel refreshed and satisfied, thanks

>>11821378
An Anon in another thread said to do it while on drugs.

Please give feedback if you try this. I won't do it if there's just a sample size of one.

>>11820753
>>11821085
Well there was that one episode with the ambient fog and reddish eyes.

>>11821466
VNs and anime while buzzed can be rather enjoyable, as weed gives you bad memory, but makes everything seem amazing.
It also makes the same things rather interested.

I've never played the game but it's been on my backlog.
I could still try it if you want.

For the game on Mangagamer, does 07th Expansion get any money, or has Mangagamer just bought the rights and they get everything?

>>11821514
Assuming you're referring to the download versions, then yes, a proportion of the revenue generated from sales does indeed go back to 07th Expansion.

Which one is better Umineko or Higurashi?

>>11821718
Rose Gun Days

>>11821718
Umineko.

>>11782185
why arent talking about best grill

>>11821799
Because Mion is too lewd to be posted on a SFW board.

>>11821799
Rika is a child with the mind of an adult. All the other girls are just bland teenagers.

>>11821808
>>11821806
but she is so cute, I want to take her home....if you know what I mean

>>11791209
>>11791280
So is there anything else about this?

>>11821814
Ryu announced yesterday on his twitter that he's selling the franchise to ZUN and is giving up writing forever.

>>11821806
Mion on is the least lewd Higurashi though....

>>11821962
Her first appearance is of her telling K1 that she wants to see his cock. How is that not lewd?

>>11821799
I love Rena's thighs.

>>11821718
Higurashi is far better than Umineko.

>>11821838
no.....

>>11791280
>UA$

Hmm, I wonder what the point of that spelling is.

>>11791338
Well, he might have already refreshed himself with the non-meta Higanbana and Rose Guns Days. Those were 6 episodes together, practically an entire Higurashi/Umineko.

A little question. Why was the Soundtrack of WTC1 never published? Or was it and I just can't find it?

>>11822612
Universal Alliance? Can't figure out what's the dollar sign for though

>>11823063
Because it was just crap he found on the internet and used because it was royalty free. Those sounds were annoying, be glad MG replaced them.

>>11823288
But...But I like it more than the MG soundtrack.

>>11823348
The MG soundtrack is, like, 90% Kai music though.

>>11823063
There are a few sweet tracks in it, though.

>>11823094
Reminds me of "The United $tate$ of Amerikkka."

>>11823703
Just download the original Japanese version, it's nScripter, so it should have the music tracks in a folder named BGM or something like that.

>>11822040
She's like the younger twin from KissxSis. Their sexuality is a facade--they're really the most pure on the inside. Don't you remember the significance of the doll that K1 can give/not give to Mion?

>>11821715
That's all that matters to me.
Thank you for the reply.

>>11823831
No, the Sonozakis are all rotten and corrupt to the core. For as sweet as she tries to act, she has no problem antagonizing her supposed friends and sneaking around behind their back, keeping secrets. Mion only wanted that doll so Rena couldn't have it; she could have just bought one if she really wanted it. It's even more telling how even Shion is a total fuckup, even though she was raised separately. Must be genetic. Fuck Shmion and anyone who likes them.

>>11822274
and nice eyes

anyone have that rika tree line of all the other 'rika' in the 7 expansion series

>>11824990
and nice mangafox

If seducing Keiichi's dad is necessary for him to move to Hinanizawa, then why is he there when she only has two weeks? Same with Akasaka.

>>11821838
It wouldn't be so bad. Of course there wouldn't be any masterpiece anymore, but you can count on Zun to milk the franchise with fanservice.

>>11831720
And the music would definitely be great. It wouldn't be chilling anymore I suppose, but it's still something.

>>11831720
>>11831731
The lolies wouldn't be oppai for once (nor would anyone else for that matter).

>>11831545
Rika put on the gameboard a fragment where she already seduced Keiichi's dad.

Akasaka got there by praying for a miracle.

Rika should have focused on learning Mahjong so she could have bankrupted Oiishi after beating the killers and then moved to Hokkaido to take up dance while Mr. Delicious had to work until he dropped dead.

I want Rika to be my cute imouto. I like her very much.

>>11835511
I want Bernkastel to be my rude imouto.

>>11835610
I want to hold hands with Bernkastel

I want to fuggle Erika while Rika watches.

Why are people being so mean to poor Rika lately?

>>11840601
It is an organized plot to break our otaku Spirits by the evil Satokano alliance. The rodents who drool about Sextoko constantly make baseless slander against the pure Rika, while Takanon uses the best grammar he can muster to produce a series of "rika nippa" images that propagandize the most innocent person in Hinamizawa as violent. What a bunch of worthless shitposters. If we have any chance of stopping it, we need to write Ryu07 and ask he release the last withheld TIP of Higurashi that proves Rika's purity and what sluts Satoko and Takano are.

>>11840845
We don't have to drag Satoko into this, do we?

Also, is that Rika waifu guy still around? He was one of my favorite people here.

>>11840970
"Rika is my !Waifu"? Haven't seen him in years. All we have left is !Nipaa, and even he doesn't post much.

Rika love is dying. I blame Bern.

>>11840991
But Bern is completely unlikeable.

>>11841026
Thats what I was saying. She given Rika's likeness then used to make us believe her because we loved Rika, while doing the opposite to Lambda because Takano was a pitiful liar. It was a very cruel think for Ryu to do to us to have the Rika-derivative betray us.

>>11841026
I'd still let her tie me up and urinate on me

I want to put Rika in Bern's dress and give her to Erika.

>>11841045
Bern didn't really make me feel any different about Rika, though Lambda and her hard work philosophy did make me more sympathetic to Takano.

Then again, maybe it did, indirectly. The most disenchanting thing for Rika is reading Higurashi and looking for Bern. I still love her, but she has her faults that I didn't recognize while blindly rooting for her the first time. She can be mean spirited and manipulative, for starters. There was no reason for her to go taunt Rena at the dump when she knew Rena would never accept the injection. It's also disappointing how little she does to change or even investigate the world when she speaks so much about wanting to, but that attitude can be blamed on Hanyuu, I suppose.

I'm sure she was different when the cycle was still fresh, but its hard to still think of her as the cute, innocent loli when I know it's all just a facade to cover her pain and cynicism.

How flat is Rika? Like, could I shine a laser across her chest?

>>11841264
Starting at a pretty young age, little girls start to develop breasts. I think she's at least past the stage of complete flatness and may be entering the budding stage. She still looks flat with clothes, but when you see her chest bare you can definitely see a small hint of development.

>>11841272
How old is she?

>>11841304
I don't know. Her butt seems a bit developed as well, so if I had to guess I'd say anywhere between 8 and 9.

>>11841304
Her earliest appearance in the VN was Showa 53, so by Showa 58 can set her age in the range of five years old to one infinity billion years old.

Also, she's said to be around Satoko's age, but the only number for that was "1X". Since it would be asinine to leave the "1" there if X was infinity, we can speculate that she definitely has a finite age.

Either way, she hasn't hit puberty yet.

>>11841272
>>11841310
Please don't present data from the anime as facts! Even Satoko's chest size varied between different scenes. You just can trust it!

>>11841215
I don't think she just wanted to taunt Rena.
Sure, she knew that the chances that she would reject the injection were very high, but she still wanted to bet on the small chance that she would accept it.

>>11842269
"Yeah, Rena, I'm not Rika, I've just been using her body for a while now. Anyway, this world will be over soon, so I've stopped giving a shit. See you in the next Hinamizawa!"
Rika was definately taunting Rena.

>>11845475
That was Rena hallucinating. It's not like Rika went up to her and told her that she was an alien. Sure, she was a bit cynical but that's just her personality.

Hell, why would she ever bring the syringe in the first place if she just wanted to make fun of her?

>>11847813
Since when do they hallucinate what is said, rather than how it was said? All of the things Keiichi was scared by were perfectly normal if if scary eyes and shit were taken away. Rika's speech was mean even removed from the context.

>Hell, why would she ever bring the syringe in the first place if she just wanted to make fun of her?
Why did she try to drug Shion when she knew that she had always ended up dead for trying before?

>>11848032
I guess she just wanted to try anyway and heal her. She knew she had the syndrome and she threatened Keiichi. Going there alone wasn't the best course of action there was, but at least she tried.

>>11848032
>>11848046
Don't forget that she was stealing Satoko's medicine to do those things. Why does Rika care so little about her supposed best friend?

Rika posts lewd pictures of Satoko sleeping on Usenet from the library.

>>11852840
No she doesn't.... she has more important things to do with her time

>>11852829
Because it was an emergency? Stop being so boorish.

>>11852840
Where can I find a provider with 31 year binary retention?

>>11852850
Like what? Playing batsu games with her shitty little club?

Get real.

>>11852850
And you draw this conclusion because she was so productive during that 100 years of waiting?

>>11852854
How the fuck was it an emergency? The same thing happens every two weeks.

And why didn't she try to save Keiichi instead of saying "hehe, your going to need that bat later, boy" and sending him on his way to kill his friends?

>>11852870
>How the fuck was it an emergency?
They were at L5.

>And why didn't she try to save Keiichi instead of saying "hehe, your going to need that bat later, boy" and sending him on his way to kill his friends?
She felt powerless because nobody believed to her whenever she tried to admonish people.

>>11852857
You're just jealous that you'll never get the chance to make little girls willingly play a punishment game.

>>11852886
Also, you can't be sure she didn't try to save Keiichi. I think she told Irie about him having the syndrome, but I guess he showed up too late.

>>11852921
Neither will you. His bitterness has nothing to do with that.

All these problems are solved if you'd just embrace the anti-fantasy interpretation instead.

>>11854308
This isn't Umineko.

>>11854318
Face the truth revealed in Saikoroshi-hen. Rika is just an emotionally neglected, bullied, flirtatious little girl, who is losing her birthright in her village, and with a very demanding pet rock named Hanyuu who tells her to kill her mother and herself. All the different fragments were just daydreams.

And honestly, a fate where she kills herself once and lives in happiness forever is a whole lot less cruel than throwing her in a meat grinder for a hundred years first.

What if the culprit in Shkanon is actually just Erika? She could have killed Yasu and used the body as a servant corpse while she went on pretending to be the other one.

Stranger things have happened.

>>11854402
That's silly. If like you say Saikoroshi-hen was her only, "true" life, the following arcs wouldn't even exist. She wouldn't wake up in a hospital while being told by Hanyuu that it was all a dream.

>>11854899
I thought the detective couldn't be the culprit.

>>11854899
Erika pretending to be Yasu did the Great Hinamizawa Gas Disaster? I suppose she could have been Nomura, but Takano never mentioned that she was told to do it by a 10 years old. I just don't see how that logistically could have worked.

>>11855205
It's her afterlife, she can do what she likes with it. She can even name the part of her that knew it was a fiction Frederica Bernkastel, split off from her, then live happily ever after in a world without pain.

>>11855292
>It's her afterlife, she can do what she likes with it. She can even name the part of her that knew it was a fiction Frederica Bernkastel, split off from her, then live happily ever after in a world without pain.

That's not an anti-fantasy interpretation, you're contradicting yourself, assuming that you're >>11854308

>>11855299
Strict anti-fantasy doesn't work at all, in Higurashi or Umineko, else meta wouldn't work. The world outside the game board can be as magical as possible.

But gods can't exist, and they definitely can't put themselves on the game board to solve problems or transport a persons memory to a new universe to make solving the puzzle easier. That's the very definition of deus ex machina, and makes for a lame story.

>>11855321
If you admit to the existence of the world outside the game board you can't say that all the fragments apart from Saikoroshi-hen are a delusion inside Rika's mind. It's like saying that the gameboard can be used for only one game, but that's not the case.

>>11855348
Forgive me for making an analogy with Umineko:
There is one, true world. The meta exist separately from the true world and examines works of fiction derived from the true world, but whatever tales it tells are ancillary to the real world, at best (with the kakera of the joke arcs telling us almost nothing).

>>It's like saying that the gameboard can be used for only one game, but that's not the case.
But it is. This isn't even a new idea: once the universe is ruined, a new game board is set up with new pieces.

>>11855500
I don't agree with this interpretation of the meta world. For me it's more like a place where all the fragments exist at the same place, with no single, true world.

I don't think even Umineko has a true world. I assume that you're talking about the world from 1993 and afterwards where Ange is shown in, but even that has elements of magic, what about the never aging Ikuko Hachijo. Even that is only a fragment.

>>11855538
>I don't agree with this interpretation of the meta world. For me it's more like a place where all the fragments exist at the same place, with no single, true world.
It's a catbox where infinite things can exist, but once it's opened, it will collapse to the true world.

>>11855538
>I assume that you're talking about the world from 1993 and afterwards where Ange is shown in, but even that has elements of magic, what about the never aging Ikuko Hachijo.
Ange didn't actually meet Ikuko in 1998, how the fuck would she know what she looked like?

>>11855559
And where is this true world you speak of? Nothing like that is shown in WTC.

>>11855591
Well, if you have the retard edition, once you've finished you should be able to skip to different chapters. The one with that info is labeled "*** ANSWER IS HERE ***".

If you don't have the retard edition, then you can find evidence of it all over the place, but it may take some actual thought to find.

>>11855559

But the catbox itself is just a fragment of a larger, infinite catbox so even the true world remains as much a possibility as the others /2deep

>>11855740
We haven't gotten to the 6th dimension yet. Maybe we can confirm your hypothesis in WTC5.... but I doubt it.

>>11855603

>>11857116

All this anti fantasy crap is why people should never read Umineko.

Why can't we just talk about all the ways we'd fuck Rika? Just like the good old days.

>>11860171
Please do not objectify Rika. She's more than just a pretty face with a cute butt.

>>11860210
She has all those other sexy parts, too.

>>11860238
What part is your favorite part?

>>11860245
Shoulder.

>>11860245
Her puffy vulva.

>>11860245
Her guts, all over the shrine floor.

>>11860171
When you use a word like "fuck" I can't help but think of lewd things. I think of how the first few times would be awkward and perhaps painful for her, but then I think of how she'd grow accustomed to an adult's penis. That's when I imagine how much she would enjoy very vigorous, rough fuck from behind. I'd use her as my own personal onahole. Since she's a slimy loli I imagine she'd be ready all the time, so any time I felt any sort of stress, arousal, or whenever I was feeling just plain bored, I'd make sure I came inside of her as many times as possible.

Rika and I don't have to do anything lewd. I'd be happy just to hug her and cuddle once in a while. Not even that, really. Her and Satoko should come live with me. I'll stockpile weapons like Kim Jong and won't let the evil mountain dogs hurt them ever again.

>>11860298
That's the first step. You'll want more eventually.

>>11860298
No Irie Institute = no drugs.
No drugs = crazy Satoko pushes you off a cliff.

>>11860331
She would be too much competition anyway. Kill her and bury her in the woods with the others. I could totally see this as a Higurashi plot.

>>11860331
That's bullshit; Rena was cured with regular drugs. Takano's bullshit is just another failed military project that no one wants to admit is a failure. Billions wasted on crap that a few red pills would do.

>>11860341
One of the PS2 arcs has Rena killing everyone from Keiichi to Rika, or so I'm told.

Too bad the extra arcs never get any attention.

>>11860375
The only one That seems interesting to me is Miontsukushi. One day, I'll finally learn Japanese and read about how Keiichi learned how to dodge bullets, then I'll come back /jp/ and tell you guys lies about it.

>>11860171
I'd like to imagine you're doing something a bit physical on a warm autumn night, perhaps sitting on top of her and pinning her arms to her sides while you playfully tickle her tummy. She's begging for you to stop, tears in her eyes, yelling out between giggles and gasps for breath that she's going to wet herself. Somehow from that bit of slightly intimate touching, things transition into awkward lolisex.

>>11863649
And then he rape her as she bleeds and screams, right?

>>11863656
No, of course not. He slowly puts it in somehow and they somehow end up completing the action.

>>11863656
Of course not. What the fuck is wrong with you? Rika is a loli, and lolis are precious and shouldn't be hurt*. Be nice.

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* Even though that's what this series is about.

>>11863670
Lolis are pretty great

>>11866764
I got slapped in the face with my first loli crush when I was 19... at a daycare. Took me a while to add up the evidence, but after a while I just accepted it.

I also learned that I'm a good bit possessive... which can throw a wrench in my day something hardcore if a much more "fun" person comes around and "takes her from me". I do get very attached at times and feeling neglected makes me very upset.

I pretty sure I'm just nuts, but that's how the ball rolls for me. I should probably fix that.

>>11867632
Did she slap you in the face, you got turned on because you're a masochist or did someone slap you when you were feeling her up or was she sailing across the room and happen to slap into you, or what?

>>11867632
I get pretty upset when my aunt's husband plays with my blood related uncle's daughter. He is way more fun than I am.

>>11866764
Yeah, that's why I don't understand normies. Isn't it logical to be attracted to beauty and purity? Is there anything more beautiful than a smiling little girl? And isn't it logical to adore such a pure being, to the point of wishing you could cuddle with her forever? What's so illogical about finding a little girl's naughtiness arousing? And why are breasts and wide hips so important? Butts are all I need to get it up. The concept of a butt is enough for me, no matter how flat or childish.

Normies claim to love kids, but they don't adore them the way we do. Even if you remove sexual attraction from the equation, we still love them way more than the average normie could ever pretend to.

>>11867946
Well, it's only natural to want to have kids, right? And your future wife/the government, isn't going to trust you with them if you constantly act like you want to get in their pants. So, logically, you should downplay any attraction you have to kids when you want to set about having your own.

>>11854402
The "truth" you think Saikoroshi-hen taught you was disproven in that same fucking episode by Rika.

She knew that Yamamoto would dismiss all the other worlds as a bullied girl's delusions, because he doesn't know about kakera. But you know! You have no excuse!

>>11867963
I don't want to have kids to pass down my genes. I want to spend time with little girls because they are amazing. Why is that so hard to understand? Normies usually get freaked out when you tell them about how wonderful it would be to cuddle with a little girl and how that's what heaven must be like. How can they find that creepy or even unnatural? Disgusting brainwashed sick fucks.

Is there a correlation between mild assburgers and infatuation with little girls?

>>11867990
No, but there has been a proven connection between left-handedness and pedophilia, so there might be another connection from something equally stupid like autism, it just hasn't been shown yet.

>>11868013
You mean left-handedness and child molestation.

>>11868028
Well, yeah, it's easier to get statistics from prisons than asking door to door if you are a pedophile.

>>11868034
It's easier, but it just doesn't work at all. Do the "experts" even realize this?

>>11868040
>at all
There's a correlation between pedophilia and child molestation so you can still extract some useful information.

>>11867967
Not him, but Rika's statement to the contray doesn't disprove shit.

>>11868013
Correlation does not prove causation, or even that the two attributes derive from similar origins.

Right-handed, loli-loving masterrace.

>>11868162
It could be a total coincidence that left handed people are three times more likely to be child molesters than right handed people.

>>11868166
I'm sure that study can join thousands of others in the pile of retracted and inconclusive studies that people still think show the value of useless statistical gathering, and prove that scientists need more money to test whether having a mole on your ass makes you statistically more likely to become a Formula 1 race car driver.

>>11867990
There has to be. There's an unusually high amount of pedos who are also interested in otaku culture.

>>11868243
> There's an unusually high amount of pedos who are also interested in otaku culture.

2D =/= 3D

/jp/ is at its best lately. Lots of Higurashi and Erika threads that suddenly turn into child love threads, and even a Higanbana thread created by someone other than me!

Can life get any better?

>>11868372
Life would be a lot better if people like you just died.

>>11868413
word

>>11868372
Where's this Higanbana thread at? It needs more love.

>>11868697
>>11863375

>>11868299
Keep telling yourself that.

>>11868413
>>11868433
Pretending to be a different person by not using capitals, now that's sad.

>>11868912
what's the capital of my dick?

>>11868945
q.

Did Keiichi end up with Rena? Or was it Mion? What do you think, /jp/?

>>11869080
Mion.

>>11869204
That's what Mion wants you to believe. She left the school to prepare her entrance exams or whatever, leaving K1 and Rena together. And Keiichi likes Rena better, so I'm pretty sure she got the D.

>>11869080
Rena. Keiichi said that he loved her at the beginning of Onikakushi.

>>11869080
Keiichi x Rika OTP
Which implies three-ways with Hanyuu of course, whether K1 knows that or not.

Does Satoko ever fantasize about getting naked in the middle of the classroom? I know for a fact that most older little girls do.

Picture unrelated.

>>11870161
You're a cool guy anon.

>>11870558
Ange's bush is a miracle of the universe.

>>11870558
>I know for a fact that most older little girls do.
and how do you know that, dear anon?

I only finished this and Umineko fairly recently, and I must ask, why is nobody else ever in a frothing rage about how it turned out that Higurashi was just a bunch of stories written by Hachiko? Did nobody else catch on, are we over it, or do we just try not to think about it because it's too painful?

>>11872450
I missed any allusion to that. What part are you getting that from?

>>11872962
He's wrong. In episode 1, Battler says he has read Higurashi and even describes a scene from Tatarigoroshi-hen. Since that was written by Yasu, it means Higurashi predates Hachiko's writing career. In Umineko Higurashi is a work of fiction and probably served as the inspiration for Bernkastel's appearance. The Umineko Bernkastel is a character invented by Battler and inspired by Hachiko's cat rather than the Bernkastel of Higurashi. That explains her completely different personality despite some superficial similarities.

>>11872962
>>11873019

I honestly want to believe that it's not true, but it makes too much sense. I can't remember any direct quotes or anything, but I'm pretty sure its extremely strongly implied that Hachiko was just writing Umineko with help from battlers memories, and that their world is the Prime world and the whole "fragments" thing doesn't exist because again, Umineko and Higurashi are stories. I don't know about Yasu writing Higuashi, I just assumed it was also Hachiko since she reused so many characters and plot ideas, and the whole Battler reference thing, and I'm also pretty sure that Yasu saying she would write it takes place in one of Hachiko's stories to begin with.

>>11873982
Yasu didn't write Higurashi either. Battler simply referred to in in the first episode, ergo it preexisted the Umineko incident.

Does it matter if Higurashi is a story within a story? The things in Umineko do not affect it, so just ignore Umineko and treat Higurashi as something different. (Though all the people going "lol Rika and Hanyuu are evil witches in Higurashi" does get tiresome. Featherine and Bernkastel in Umineko are different characters with some superficial resemblances. By that reeasoning one would be saying that Chie and Ciel are the same person and one should define Ciel's character by what Chie does in Higurashi.)

>>11873019
>The Umineko Bernkastel is a character invented by Battler

Battler didn't invent Bernkastel. The stories he wrote as Hachijo Tohya don't include the meta.

>That explains her completely different personality despite some superficial similarities

Their personalities are exactly the SAME. Bernkastel is the same character in both series.

The Higurashi Bernkastel is not "Rika" (the protagonist, the one who tries to save her friends, taunts Rena at the dump and drinks wine). That Rika is just a small part of Bernkastel's most useful memories. The actual Bernkastel is even older, as she doesn't have a human body and can keep every single memory.

The "Rika" we know is Bernkastel (the one living in the sea of kakera) incarnated in Rika's body, with all her physical and mental limitations.

That's why she calls herself "Frederica" in Higurashi and drops that first name in Umineko. She isn't tied to Furude Rika's fate anymore.

Bernkastel is slightly different in Umineko because:

-She is even older.
-Lambda is a bad influence.
-Everyone in Umineko is a complete stranger, she doesn't care about their happiness. And Battler is a moron.
-She has learned that the gameboards aren't actual kakera. The characters are just pieces to play with as she pleases.
-She is willingly playing the villain in Umineko. She isn't really that evil.

But she was kind of an asshole in Higurashi too. Remember than I'm NOT talking about her human incarnation that we all know and love, I'm talking about the omniscient being living in the sea of kakera.

Think of Bernkastel as lake of memories. The human character we know as "Rika" is a glass filled with that water. She can't remember every little detail or think at the speed of light, because she is just human. But she is not lying when she calls herself Bernkastel.

There is no reason to be in denial about this. Nobody is saying that your beloved "Rika" became a villain. She didn't even appear in Umineko.

>>11873996

>Yasu didn't write Higurashi either. Battler simply referred to in in the first episode, ergo it preexisted the Umineko incident.

But you see, the first episode has nothing to do with the Prime world. None of them do, aside from the Ange sequences. It doesn't matter what episode or when or even if Battler references Higurashi, because that all takes place in a the stories written by Hachiko. Of course it preexisted the Umineko chapters that we see, but it was almost certainly written after the Rokkenjima incident itself.

>Does it matter if Higurashi is a story within a story?

It just ruins the whole thing, really. Rika's struggle, all the pain that she and everyone else went through, all the effort and suffering that was put in to overthrow Takano and Lambda-- reduced to an author avatar's work of fiction. I know that adding another layer of "reality" over it doesn't change the story itself, but it does trivialize the entire thing immensely. I honestly cannot think of a better way to shit on fans of something than to write an ending where "lol it was just a story/dream the whole time and none of it happened!!!". Most endings to Japanese works are unsatisfying to say the least, but I really can't imagine how nobody else finds this one just plain insulting.

>>11874275
There is also that scene in Minagoroshi where Bernkastel appears to be talking to the reader. You can interpret that as Bernkastel talking to herself.

Every time "Rika" dies in a world, she joins the main Bernkastel again, becoming omniscient (or whatever that state of being is called) for a while. Then, she possesses a new Rika, becoming human again.

That's why she has trouble remembering stuff at the start of Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi. Her mental capacity is infinitely inferior to a god's. Or a witch, or whatever the hell Bernkastel is.

When she gets disconnected from the actual Bernkastel at the end of Saikoroshi, the "witch" becomes free and Rika decides to live as a human again. Even if she dies, her memories will not become part of Bernkastel.

It's not that hard, really.

>>11874275
Rika gives herself the name Bernkastel when she is incarnated in Saikoroshi-hen. Also she says she isn't Rika when she's speaking to Rena in Tsumihoboroshi-hen which is the same thing Bernkastel said in one of the TIPS, so even when incarnated she differentiates herself from the normal Rika. And in the start of Minagoroshi-hen, the being we meed in the sea of kakera claims not to be Rika but then talks as if all the events we saw in previous chapters happened to her. As a result I am skeptical of the attempt to draw a sharp distinction between the incarnated and the sea of kakera Bernkastels.

And even in the sea of kakera Bernkastel appears to seriously care about others, while when incarnated if willing to sacrifice herself for them. In Umineko Bernkastel seems utterly evil and incapable of empathy. Torturing others is the only thing that gives her any pleasure. That's quite the radical departure.

Battler was the one that came up with what happens in the meta-world though. And since he was familiar with Higurashi it makes sense that what he visualized was colored by the characters he had read about. Personally I see Bernkastel and Featherine to be Battler's constructs inspired to an extent by a work he had previously read.

>>11874318
The first episode was found in a bottle and was written by Yasu before the incident took place. Therefore Higurashi must have been written by someone else and is referred to by Battler in the same way he refers to other murder mysteries which have nothing to do with the cast.

>>11874327
>There is also that scene in Minagoroshi where Bernkastel appears to be talking to the reader. You can interpret that as Bernkastel talking to herself.

And by "herself" I mean "talking to the Frederica Bernkastel who has just been killed in the world of Tsumihoroboshi". It's the same thing anyway.

There is also the possibility that she is actually talking to the reader. Witches and gods in WTC tend to break the fourth wall after all.

>>11874327
The reason Rika doesn't know what's going on when she incarnates into a new world is because her memories replace those of the local Rika. Rika doesn't have the memories of the body she effectively possesses. This is most obvious in Saikoroshi-hen, where the world is radically different. In the previous worlds, the differences are pretty minor and thus the fact Rika doesn't remember them isn't as noticeable.

>>11874327
Also, Rika in the sea of kakera is far from omniscient. She only possesses the knowledge she gathered while alive in the various worlds. That's why she tells the reader that he may possess information that will solve the mystery that she lacks (which quite strongly indicates that she's not talking to another Rika). If she was omniscient she would know who's killing her.

>>11874333
>Rika gives herself the name Bernkastel when she is incarnated in Saikoroshi-hen.

That doesn't change anything. In that episode, she couldn't help but realize how different she was from the bullied Rika of that world. And while thinking about that, she also realized how different she was from the happy Rika she originally was.

That's when she realized she couldn't call herself Rika anymore. That's why she had to invent a new name. Bernkastel (both the "witch" and her human incarnation) was NAMELESS for a long time, but she certainly existed long before Saikoroshi-hen. It doesn't matter when she gave herself a name, she existed before that.

>Also she says she isn't Rika when she's speaking to Rena in Tsumihoboroshi-hen which is the same thing Bernkastel said in one of the TIPS

That's correct.

>so even when incarnated she differentiates herself from the normal Rika.

And that's what I'm saying. The real Rika is nonexistent as a character, she doesn't even matter. But Bernkastel and her human incarnation, even though they are the exact same character, have very different personalities. One of them has a human body and a human brain. The other is technically a god.

They MERGE every time the human version dies, they share the same consciousness. But they become DIFFERENT people at the end of the story, when the human Frederica Bernkastel decides to live as a normal person and the witch Bernkastel becomes a separate being.

>And in the start of Minagoroshi-hen, the being we meed in the sea of kakera claims not to be Rika but then talks as if all the events we saw in previous chapters happened to her.

Because they HAPPENED to her. She experienced those events, died, and then merged with the non-human Bernkastel as always. They are the same character.

>>11874333

Where is it really stated that it was found in a bottle though? I think the case was that the actual bare plot was maybe laid out from the message in the bottle, and ep1 is Hachiko writing a story based on that. It's not even possible to fit a full story like that into a fucking bottle, even with a magnum you would still have a lot of trouble because you have to roll that shit up before cramming it in.

>>11874386
I agree that Rika and Bernkastel diverge at the end of Saikoroshi-hen. However, as you say, before that they are the same character. And I agree that Rika has existed for a while. After all she estimates that she's over 100 years old. And she was indeed nameless as she says to Rena: "I have lived a long time in this world but ...this is the first that someone has noticed that I am not Rika. I’ve always thought you were a perceptive one ever since we first met, but... well done. giggle giggle giggle... But I will dare to call myself Rika. ...I, do believe that my given name is Rika, as it’s been so long."

However, I do not think that the incarnated and sea of kakera Rikas have different personalities. Even in the final kakera Bernkastel appears playful rather than sadistic. I think it's simpler to treat the Umineko and Higurashi Bernkastels as different characters, the same way one would treat the two Okonogi as being different.

>>11874392
Doesn't Ange talk extensively about the two messages in the bottles?

>>11874333
>And even in the sea of kakera Bernkastel appears to seriously care about others, while when incarnated if willing to sacrifice herself for them. In Umineko Bernkastel seems utterly evil and incapable of empathy. Torturing others is the only thing that gives her any pleasure. That's quite the radical departure.

Because it's her own life. She cares about her friends even as higher being. Not to mention, her own life is on the line. She must escape that fate, that's the whole purpose of Bernkastel's existence. And she wasn't even too serious about it anyway. She was joking around half the time and treating the whole thing as someone else's story.

In Umineko she is free of that crap. She can do whatever she wants. I imagine such freedom would change a person quite a bit, and she isn't even human.

Also, the Ushiromiyas are pieces in a gameboard that the game master can control. They probably aren't even real. Comparing them with the real people who died and suffered in the many kakeras of Hinamizawa is an insult to Higurashi.

>Battler was the one that came up with what happens in the meta-world though. And since he was familiar with Higurashi it makes sense that what he visualized was colored by the characters he had read about. Personally I see Bernkastel and Featherine to be Battler's constructs inspired to an extent by a work he had previously read.

The whole "Battler read Higurashi" was nothing more than a one-time joke. I don't think we should take it seriously.

And even if I did take it seriously, it wouldn't bother me. Rokkenjima Prime is also a work of fiction in Higanbana. And that is a work of fiction in the real world. What's the problem with that?

>>11874346
I was talking about stuff like not remembering that Takano was the culprit.

>>11874375
That's why I said I was probably not using the right word. Omniscient is obviously incorrect. What's the right term, though? Bernkastel's mind has no limits. It's not the same as a really, really old person's mind. She has no physical brain.

>>11874416

I can't remember exactly what Ange says about them, but the idea of a story approaching the length of a Umineko chapter fitting into any bottle is just absurd. I'm not saying that they don't exist, I'm just saying, the bottles probably only had a few pages summary of the events, at best. Also, even assuming the impossibility of the whole thing fitting inside a bottle, there's nothing to suggest that those messages were actually written by Yasu, and not, say, Hachiko.

>>11874426
There's nothing wrong with it being a work of fiction. If anything I think that's a good thing since the stories can be treated as being separate. I don't think that adding all the material from Umineko to Higurashi adds anything, especially since I think it all exists in Battler's head. The alternative is to treat the stories that Maria and Ange had come up with about bunny doll snipers or Heaven having divisions whose duty is to enforce rules invented by 20th century mystery novel reviewers as being a part of Umineko and Higurashi cosmology.

>>11874428
At that point Hanyuu's powers were failing, so I'd chalk it up to that.

>>11874416
>However, as you say, before that they are the same character.
I think they share the same consciousness (at least for a short while between the last death and the new possession) and are essentially the same person. However, her personality changes when she goes from human to... whatever the hell Bernkastel is. "Their" minds seem to work differently.

>However, I do not think that the incarnated and sea of kakera Rikas have different personalities.

It's obvious that they do, that's why they are considered two different characters and even talk to each other at one point.

>Even in the final kakera Bernkastel appears playful rather than sadistic.
She can be playful while still having a slightly different personality from her human version. That's what I'm trying to say.

Compared to the Umineko Bern, she certainly seems nicer. But that doesn't mean they are different characters. The circumstances are completely different, that's why she acts differently. Both Bernkastels seem to me. I wouldn't even call her "playful", she's just kind of... uncaring? in both series.

She obviously cares more in Higurashi, but I don't see a difference in her personality. She's not even evil in Umineko, it's all an act.

>>11874446
They are supposed to be written from Maria's viewpoint. EP1 is told from Battler's viewpoint using the message bottle as a gameboard.

>>11874448
> I don't think that adding all the material from Umineko to Higurashi adds anything
I like Higurashi better if it all is a game between Lambda and Featherine's abandoned pieces. But only if the worlds are real rather than gameboards. Let's say that Lambda granted Takano the power of certainty (in a meta sense, without Takano actually being aware of witches) and sat back with some popcorn.

It fits nicely with the world presented in Umineko while still allowing the world and characters to be real, rather than pieces controlled by someone.

>I think it all exists in Battler's head.

I don't think the meta world exists inside anyone's head. It's simply a world of where thoughts and concepts are given form. It may only exist for the reader's convenience.

>The alternative is to treat the stories that Maria and Ange had come up with about bunny doll snipers or Heaven having divisions whose duty is to enforce rules invented by 20th century mystery novel reviewers as being a part of Umineko and Higurashi cosmology.

All that ridiculous stuff is part of Beatrice's gameboard, even if characters like Will weren't created by Yasu or Battler. Why do you think he and some other "outsiders" were on the island in EP8? They are part of the tale. Will and Dlanor's past, present and future depend entirely on this particular universe.

>At that point Hanyuu's powers were failing, so I'd chalk it up to that.
Both explanations work and I like mine better. I find it more interesting. Since I don't believe Bernkastel (the witch version) was really that evil in Umineko or that nice in Higurashi, I don't need to deny my explanation in order to save Bern from inexplicably becoming evil.

>>11874275
Lambda is a good influence though. She is much kinder than Bern, who just wants to fuck shit up.

>>11874553
Lambda smells like candy without being a little girl. How awesome is that?

>>11874565
She's always been a young girl (if not necessarily little) in my mind, maybe 12ish. Maybe it's because I associated her with Satoko, or maybe because Bern referred to her repeatedly as "that child" in the beginning. Whatever it is, don't you dare disillusion me.

>>11874583
Satoko is 11, though. That qualifies as "little".

Lambda looks like a 14 year old from the 1800's. I'm not sure if that qualifies or not.

>>11874553
I like how Bern turned out, but I kind of wish she was an heroic character who helped people who need a miracle.

I guess I just want more Higurashi drama. 9 episodes of Rika angst weren't enough.

>>11874565
She also shits marshmallows.

>>11874602
Satoko was in early puberty, that's not really little anymore.

>>11874610
I liked how Bern turned out. The theme of luck vs. fate in literature is almost always with fate being bad (especially in stories with personifications of the two), so it was refreshing to see luck fought against for once.

>>11874623
Nope, the size of Satoko's boobs in the sprites is not really canon. Her breasts are so small you can't even call them breasts. It's normal for preteen girls to be like that. She is a prepubescent sixth grader. Please, don't disillusion me.

>>11874645
Rika is almost completely flat, though. That's not so usual for a preteen girl. But this is Japan in the 80's we are talking about. It's possible that Satoko is actually the unusual one.

>>11874645
I won't if you won't. Let's enter into a magical alliance and agree to respect each other's image of characters.

I love Higurashi's BGM. It's not as good as Umineko's, but it's charming in its own way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTd3Tq7L_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDzd9ydZ24

These two tracks alone remind me why I love this story. I heard they were replaced by Kai music in re-releases or something like that. Is it true?

Seriously, I love the "random free license crap" Ryukishi used for the first four episodes.

>>11874645
Speaking of grades, why is it that lolis in porn doujinshi are always older than they should? Is it really like that in Japan? I've even seen this phenomenon in mainstream manga.

For example, 6th grade lolis are always 12 instead of 11. 1st graders are always 7. And so on. What the hell? When does the new school year start in Japan?

>>11874610
Bern helps people in her own way. Hell, without her Battler wouldn't have ever found the motivation to FIGHTO.

>>11874275
>That's why she calls herself "Frederica" in Higurashi and drops that first name in Umineko. She isn't tied to Furude Rika's fate anymore.

She doesn't drop her first name in Umineko. When she signs Erika's duct tape the full name "Frederika Bernkastel" appears on it.

>>11874705
The new school year usually starts in the spring around April for japan. Not sure if that makes a difference in age.

>>11874705
It's not that hard to understand, dude. Sex-having lolis tend to be terrible students. And bad students tend to repeat grades. It's that simple!

What do you think, everyone?

Good bye 1-month-old Rika thread!

>>11877463
Time sure does fly.