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I found a way to get infinite wishes outside Wizard mode:

you need:

the Moment special ability
a Book of Wish
high enough Literacy to read the book

Activate Moment. Read the Book of Wish. Because Moment is active you can take another action - drop the book and move away from it. Wait for the book to finish reading (you are in a weird state until it does). The game will attempt to destroy the book in your inventory, but it's no longer there.

Now you've got some Wish stocks for free. Either use it at 1% casting chance or grind Casting up real high to use it at better chances.

>>12276234
What's the "Moment" ability or how does one get it?

>>12276345
it's called Quick Use in the English version.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_%28Elona%2B%29

>>12276234
That's a pretty neat trick. I do wonder about how viable it really is for wishing. As I recall the spell wish is an odd one in the fact that the more you level that spell, which you'll do through regular use, the harder it is to actually cast it. I worry that if you raise your wish spell lv too high that it would become impossible to actually cast it.

The trick is still an interesting one if it works as the idea of free stock from harder to find books or books that you can't reserve(i.e wizards harvest) might still be viable with that trick.

Is there a way I can get my allies to heal themselves when they're hurt?

>>12276838
Wish stabilizes after lvl 200 - it no longer gets more difficult, and it stock cost per cast flatlines.

source: elosnack testing.

Is it better to evolve pets right away or to wait until they got a certain level?

>>12276437
>>12276234
Pretty cool trick.
100 Magic Device is going to take some time to obtain though.

>>12276970
You can AP train them to get heal spells

>>12277002
I've been wondering this too
The stat boosts would be more beneficial when the attributes are higher, no? As lower stats are easier to train, right?

>>12277011
Theorically it should be better to do that early.
since bonus is in fixed numbers, waiting too much means an ininfluent increase in stats

>>12277018
That's a good point, the bonuses won't mean too much later on

>>12276995
That's nice to know. Thx for the info

https://soundcloud.com/t0usaka/e-l-o-n-a

>>12277218
...songs count as sonic damage attacks?

Oh, this is incredibly good. It isn't even miracle.

>Set as no-drop

What is this?

You thought baptists were the most annoying enemies? here, yerles combat planes and Shub-Niggurat to you

>>12278366
Fuck those Yiths, man. The Eye of Insanity bullshit is the most difficult part about them.

>>12278366
Shub Nigguraths literally do nothing with you manage to silence them. Yerles combat planes, however.. Yeah. they were a pain in the butt at that level. For me right now, their pain in the ass analogue would be the xeren electric tank and satellite shooter. Though, in a sense, they're both "less dangerous" because they don't shoot grenades.

>>12277635
You should really read the menu sub texts from time-to-time.

>>12278601
Silencing them doesn't prevent them from doing the Eye of Insanity special action, and that's the most difficult part about them.

>>12278598
Mind resistance might help a bit against the eye of insanity according to the wiki. Aside from that I remember stocking up on sister's lunch and unicorn horns to keep my sanity counter low. The higher that counter gets the worst that eye of insanity ability gets. Later on though you'll have enough power that they die fast enough that you won't have to worry about that eye of insanity ability.

>>12278601
Those Xeren tanks are a bitch huh. I remember having to stack lightning resistance and having to get my speed higher because they bolt you so fast. Speed will also help with the satellite shooter.

Grats though to the both of you. You've moved on to the intermediate difficult enemies. Also, watch out for the element dragon. Think there is just one more tier of enemies higher. Specifically, the God type enemies such as the Atlas, Stag God, and the Five Headed God.

>>12278628
I tried taking on the machinegod in one of those chaos forts, I only got him to half health before I had to cast return. And that was after I spammed Shining Wave 4 times as a last-ditch effort.

>>12276174
http://puu.sh/9xlHx.bmp

Monster girl sprite sheet for 1.38r

how do you increase stat potential?

>>12279132
potions of potential, training it, or herbs/food.

>>12279132
how about attribute potential? i've been using platinum coin and my dexterity is always "bad" and where do you get potions of potential?

>>12279080
are you the maintainer?

1. have revision numbers for the picture pls.
2. replace x=28, y=4 (i.e. angel with huge rack) pls. it is QUALITY.
3. x=24, y=1 (recette) replaces Moyer the Crooked. not_cool.png. use it for the female vendor instead. change moyer to a guy.
4. x=31, y=5 (old dude in green robe) is Melget the Informer, who should be a little girl.
5. x=20, y=5 (male elf in green) is Marka the Silver Bear, who should be a Roran little girl.
6. add some sprites for the custom icons plz. people who don't like it can write over it anyway.

>>12279080
I'll try and put this in the OP if I make the next thread.
I keep forgetting to put it in, sorry

>>12279151
>>12279132
Skill Potential - Platinum coin training with trainers at towns

Attributes will be hard to raise the potential of at first, as many of the best ways to raise it are beyond your reach.

You'll have random guild members come to your home, if you aren't a part of one yet, who will train the potentials for platinum coins.
A good bed is important, try to sleep in the King's Bed in the Castle In Palmia, or better yet, pickpocket it. A good bed, especially a Happy Bed (a good wish by the way), will raise your stat potential by a little every time you sleep, but it adds up. Dreams will raise it too, and a better bed means better dreams. I think having your pets cook breakfast for you increases your own and your pets' potential by a little bit every morning too.

Potions of potential can be purchased from around level 50 invested magic shops. Start investing in them because they will give some pretty important items.
Higher shop level - more likely that they will have potions of potential. Then bless them by mixing them with blessed water, blessed potions of potential will increase the potential of every attribute.

>>12279190
if you save it, it should save titled based on date.
I'll look into replacements for those though, thanks for the input. Moyer is probably not changing, but I'll look into the others.

>>12279215
and how do you get blessed water?
thanks by the way.

>>12279227
Get normal bottles of water, and drop them on a shrine of your deity.

Normal bottles of water are hard to find, you usually can just find them in dungeons or rewards for quests. You can also make them yourself from salt solutions, a piece of wood, and a rod of firewall if you have a pot of fusion. Just keep your eyes out for pots of fusion in shops or puppy cave. And hold onto every rod of firewall you can find, they are the hardest ingredient to get.

Oh, I found a cat sister diary. now I have to choose if use the king heart on her or wait my alchemy to improve and use it to make Golembuster like I was planning.

>>12279249
You just found one?
Man, that's lucky, what level dungeon was it? I had to buy mine from the medal shop.

And don't bother too much with leveling your alchemy, just collect a lot of armor pieces that raise your alchemy skill and put them on when you fuse or create stuff.

>>12279254
It was level 45. I don't see many alchemy raising items around, just the robes. there's a way to get some with reasonably high degree of success?

>>12279263
I just collect them over time as I find them.
Like miracle items from other adventurers, your paybox, or shopbox. I just keep an eye out. I only have a few armor pieces though, but it's enough to get me to high enough levels.

Is it possible to invite multiple gods to your house or is it only one at a time?

I'd like to invite them all to my happening pad if possible

>>12279492
I've never done it, so I don't have any first hand experience, but I know that you have to have high favor with the god to invite it, so I imagine it's possible that one god would leave when you switch to the next to raise favor. I'm not sure, though.

>>12278366
Yerles combat planes are a pain if you don't have sound resistance, but speed is everything they have going for them. Keep the Unknown Shell around or some other high sound resistance item (attribution shield helps). If you're using anything ranged, shoot them until they die. If you're melee, push them into a corner, use wall creation to lock them in and hit them until they die. Using slow on them will further cripple their threat level.

Shub Nigguraths, and other Lovecraftian creatures are a pain, but you can use silence to take out their more annoying abilities (summoning, teleporting). There's no direct way to counter eye of insanity, but if you are capable of using Chaos Eye (and possibly Nightmare), inflicting them with confusion, blindness or paralysis largely stops them from spamming insanity. Then it's down to hitting them until they die.

It's relatively easy to counter most monsters in Elona. If it casts, silence it. If it's fast, slow it. If it's killing you or turning you insane, use Nightmare then Chaos Eye (or your choice of status effect inflicting spell) to cripple its melee, ranged attacks and abilities. Wall creation stops anything, no matter how overpowered, as long as it's not a <monster>. Finally, rods of change creature seem to have a horrible drop rate compared to original Elona, but they are relatively inexpensive to craft and can dispose of anything you dislike encounering (such as god races, and again not <monsters>).

>>12280387
At barely level 30, their speed is a problem even if I use Lulwy trick and they're slowed. sound res or not, when they shoot twice every step I take, their health refills faster than I can chip through their DV, they're in two and pursuing them means pulling every hp wall monster around, there's not much to counter. its holy cunting annoying but happened already other times. I just need to grind a bit and they're cake with the rest.
shub niggers are another story though. their trump card is the insanity, summoning means only more HP and stamina to eat for me, and teleport isn't really a problem since they don't shoot item breaking stuff. again, I need more damage output

>>12280424
Shadow step is immensely helpful in rapidly-teleporting enemies

Stealth should be somewhat high by now on its own

>>12280430
I have it, but its no use in this case.

>>12280424
What fighting style and weapons are you using, and what are your relevant combat skill/spell levels? By level 30 you should be able to do enough damage to effectively kill them, you could also try bleed damage (shurikens or axes/claymores' bisection), poison (poison damage on something, chaos eye, or throwing potions) or a source of elemental scar to prevent their regeneration.

>>12280452
I hope this is exhaustive.

>>12280485
Your character looks good enough on paper, but your hit rate is awful. One thing you can do is pick up a lot of wood pieces from field tiles, since they weigh very little. Get a stack of 50-100 of them. Next, find items that maintain strength and dexterity, both on the same item would be great. Turn them to raw with inferior material. Find something that can reasonably withstand some 2000 turns of damage, some tanky boss that isn't also likely to kill you works. Get a sufficient stack of food and make sure it's not cursed. Arrange to be alone with said monster, press shift-t for throwing, and press 1 over the stack of wood pieces to bind throwing them to 1. Throw your entire stack at the monster, then when you run out, get him to move from over them and pick them back up. Repeat the process as long as your growth bonuses last.

This process will give you absurd increases in tactics, throwing, strength (from tactics), and dexterity (from throwing). So you'll have better hit rate, base damage and damage modifier.

Also, you can use this to do damage. Throw wood pieces at the planes until your gauge is at 99%, since wood pieces don't miss, then shadow step in for Explosion.

>>12280516
Copypasted into stone

>>12280516
>Throw wood pieces at the planes until your gauge is at 99%, since wood pieces don't miss, then shadow step in for Explosion.
What an awful idea. During that time, he'd have been peppered close to a hundred grenades.

Here's a better one for you: learn magic now and do mist of frailness. You also can't go wrong with darkness arrow. Blind it first, then cast frailness. Shadow step over to it and bakuretsuken its sorry ass to high hell.

>>12280541
I wasn't planning to do that part, but the rest seem all good advice.
spells are for the future, the L-trick>attribute>shadow step+invoke release>touch of sleep>bakuretsuken combo will suffice until then

>>12281642
Don't forget to stock up on potions of mutation.

You'll probably want it once you start getting them fucking dark koalas.

How's ancient coffin as a pet? it use mist of frailness and dims...

I'm not satisfied with the shirohime sprite.

>>12282866
Can you put that on a non-black background? It's pretty hard to see where the legs/dress end and the background begins.

>>12282879
the other one misses some pixel

Without cape looks better.

So I'm the only one that likes to play with sprites?
okay...

>>12283185
Well, I'm not sure if you noticed, but these sorts of things usually call for uh... a little bit of time and skill. So...

>>12283185
Anon, you may very be the only one here who has the skill needed to play with sprites.

Although I do run a mean fairy.

>>12283229
Oh, you.

So I just went out of my way to try out something an anon suggested a thread of two ago:

Would having multiple time stops effectively allow you to have infinite turns?

So I tried it with Elosnack, and gave myself 4 time stop weapons on high dual wield. The results:

No, you can't cast time stop within a time stop. At least, as far as I've tried it. I have only been swinging it around for about 6 hours now, and this might still be revised. You can, however, very well cast it on the same turn that you "pop-out" of time stop, making an almost-similar experience, with the loss of 1 turn.

I also remember a discussion that the brown enchantments at the bottom of the page apply globally. That's why later, I'll try and see what happens if I only have 1 weapon with time stop - would I activate it less (which is what I expect) or will the enchantment actually apply to all my weapons?

Furthermore, I also noticed that different levels of time stop occur. For instance, I experience sometimes up to ~10 turns of time stop some times, and only about ~2 turns at other times. I have a feeling that it is connected to the power of the time stop enchantment imbued in the weapon, because I did just put random high and low vales for time stop when I tried it - thinking it didn't matter.

Wtf is with that stag god?

It keeps on killing me in one hit. I call bullshit on that page that says 'it's the easiest way to obtain a god heart' fucking baloney. I cast silence on an elemental dragon and it couldn't even hurt me with it's power(less) breath.

>>12283264
It's a melee god. It's really nasty in melee. But once you get above it in power, it's a lot less bothersome than an element dragon or a five head god.

>>12283234
I don't see much skill in coloring some pixel

Why the hell scrolls of inferior material don't work on some items?

>>12285611
they're weak! they wont work on named items.

>>12285611
Scrolls of inferior, change and superior material don't work on precious items (static artifacts like the Unknown Shell, Blue Spirit, god weapons, so on), living weapons and any godly quality item. You need to use a material kit to change the material of godly items and living weapons. Scrolls of superior material and material kits used on precious equipment will reroll them, possibly giving you better (or worse) random bonuses.

>>12285667
>>12285681
But it worked on a named breastplate...
why is this game hard in the wrong places

>>12284208
...Is something that someone already skilled in something would say.

>>12285778
Its not like I'm drawing them from scratch.
too bad that breath pets suck, btw. fire/ice drake from this set are awesome.

Well my hard drive finally died in the middle of literally backing up my Elona save and about a month of solid play spurred by the recent threads on /jp/ was lost.

My pet ensemble harem is dead
Thank you recent Elona+ threads, it was fun, but I'm going to stop playing and visiting these threads for awhile...

This must be what I get for wanting to go apostate with Ehekatl
>"My faith is so high, I should try and get all the god pets."
>"If I do it with Jure during December, I won't get Ehekatl's Rena-esque yandere dialogue and feel bad!"
Now it will never happen

>>12286433
;_;

>>12286433
I had a similar thing happen to me a couple years back. I made a character over the summer break of school and my had drive crashed. If it's any consolation if you do end up coming back to Elona+ getting back to your previous level of power/progress in the game will be much quicker because of the better understanding of the game you now have. Also, as an option, perhaps using EloSnack can help partially restore your lost character. You can create a new character like your previous one and use Elosnack to set your skills and stats to what your previous character had.

>>12286433
Please don't leave us, we're the only ones that can understand

is it just me or does the monster ball guy have his pants around his ankles?

>>12287453
It was just you

Hey I just found a quarter, where I can find something to bounce it on?

Is there any way in Elona where I can engage in (hopefully non-lethal) bullying?

>>12288739
'B'ash people. Doesn't kill them, sure pisses them off.

>>12288773
Also incurs -1 karma if I remember correctly.

>>12288739
sandbagged enemies.

>>12279080
Recently got into the game, and Im curious to know if there are more sprite sheets like this, given that the pastebin hasnt been updated in a while.

>>12288808
I maintain that one and keep it updated for the most recent versions. I have some older versions if you have a specific version of the game you need.
I should probably update and maintain the pastebin too while I'm at it though.

>>12288994
Nah it's fine. Just wanted to know if there were other sheets created by other people, since it seems you can customize just about anything sprite related. I'll just look into creating my own sprites at one point. Though I'll be using this one for a while.

>>12288994
I strongly advocate any form of pastebin updates.

Just as long it's not me doing the updating, of course.

>>12289125
There are dl links for three graphic stuff folders in the pastebin and/or old threads. check the archives
I don't have anymore the links, sorry

I hunt down and kill all the male adventurers, so that the adventurer list eventually becomes a girls-only harem.

>>12290292
Can't you just make them drink a sex change potion

>>12290298
it doesn't change the sprites or the portraits.

>>12290341
Is that a problem?

So, I completely forgot the existance of the pyramid north Port Kapul, so i just finished it with ten levels more than it was needed... there was something special in it apart the boss loot?

... I have the extremely eerie impression that now, after HD=kill guy left, in this thread we're left in, like, four person AT BEST.

>>12291744
How can there be four people in the thread? We both know it's just you, me, and the shitposter.

>>12291748
Because I count you, me, the tripfag and Valus.

>>12291755
They're both the shitposter, obviously.

>>12291782
But you assessed to a single shitposter. this means that Valus and the stupid tripfags are the same person.
but I've seen them in the same place at the same time, plus they post actual content...
this leave a single option. I'm the shitposter.
you are the shitposter.
you and I are the SAME PERSON!!!

>Anonymous loses its mind and commits suicide.

>>12291787
>>12291782
>>12291755
>>12291748
>>12291744
Samefag

>>12291789

>>12291744
Probably four people. Me, >>12291744, >>12291748, and >>12291789

>>12291836
>>12291796
>>12291789
>>12291787
>>12291782
>>12291755
>>12291748
>>12291744
Samefag

>>12291392
Speed ring.

>>12291744
I've been here for the past seven Elona threads, but I prefer lurking more than posting. I'm level 47 now, and am enjoying South Tyris with my beautiful stacks of blessed potions of potential.

All of the threads are great, sometimes I get antsy while waiting for the next thread to be posted after the previous one 404s.

Reminds me, found an eternal force weapon. It's a pistol, invokes regeneration ####, solid eh. Scut, though.

I love you guys ;_;

>>12291836
make that 5. I'm the sprite person.

>>12292611
Fair enough. Looks like our party of adventurers is growing!

Also hello >>12292268. Happy hunting in South Tyris.

>>12292250
Got it, also an unicorn wiener.
>>12292611
...wait, I'm the sprite person as well. how does that work?

>>12292818
I'm the one updating the spritesheet, is what I meant. I do make my own though for it from time to time

Maybe there's more people here than we thought.

I left the threads after all that bullying and shitposting on the the poor sadistic glasses guy.

>>12292624
I'm also here, but I don't post often because I'm too obsessed with my town. This is an old image, but the furniture hasn't changed much anyway. I've added a few dozen occupants through Mysterious Book, though. It's really well populated now.

I don't want to play this game anymore.

>>12292999
What the hell is that cool thing? I want one

>>12293008
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_alien
This one?

how do you raise attribute potential again? i've been eating herb and corpses and my potential is still "bad"

and what doest the * sign next to potential and (org) means?

>>12293193
Your potential goes down as your attributes increase, so eventually it'll reach "hopeless", at which point you won't see many increases anymore.

Potential goes up a bit while sleeping, so getting a good bed helps. Kill cupids of love for a happy bed or wish for one, failing that you can try stealing the king's bed. A blessed eastern bed isn't all that bad if you have issues with maximum weight or can't obtain the above.

If you hired a maid for your house, every so often trainers will come by offering to increase the potential of one of your stats in exchange for 4 (3 if you're in a guild) platinum coins, so make sure you have at least 4/3 PP before returning home, since you don't get a second chance for this event.

Drinking from wells will randomly increase your potential, but normal wells will more often decrease your attributes instead, so it's only recommended you do it with the Holy Well.

Finally, the most effective way is potions of potential (make sure to bless before use). They start showing up at about 20% rate for magic vendors of ~100 level. Invest in all the magic vendors, and possibly hire a few in your home. Another way to obtain them, other than as rare drops in dungeons is alchemy. Get some items that increase alchemy (robes do by default), and level it by making/drinking/throwing potions. You'll need angel tears, a somewhat rare material, which you can get from fishing material spots. Keep your fishing decently leveled for this.

>>12293193
The * sign means that attribute is being maintained by an item with the "maintains X" property. Some enemies like ghosts, grudges, missionaries of darkness will temporarily drain your stats (recoverable at the healer or with restore body/spirit potions), and this prevents that particular stat from being drained in the first place.

try to wake up in morning and get breakfast from your pet. I'ts best way to raise your stat potential
>>12293193

>>12293213
>>12293219

that was fast, teşekkür ederim anon.

>>12293010
Yes. the first thing when i get there in south Tyris is take one.

>>12293219
As someone who always keeps their body enchanted, I really hate it when Greater Pumpkins do their high potion throw bullshit, not because it lowers my stats, but because I never have enough blessed potions of restore body/spirit.

>>12293623
>As someone who always keeps their body enchanted
that sounds like a cosmetics commercial starring a top model.
are you a top model?

>>12293635
I do enjoy showing off my body quite a bit.

>>12293640
P...Pervert!!

That was some supreme bullshit. Gonna have to make a trip to Larna now.

Also, post your character sheets, I wanna see how everyone's doing.

>>12293749
Holy hell, that's a lotta crazy.

>>12293749
Mine is here. I'm still searching for a decent boss to apply the Potential Treatment anon suggested.
raking those fucking sticks took so much time.

>>12293829
...here. >>12280485. sticks got in the way

>>12293749
Without and with buffs, I'm playing as some sort of enhancer that isn't very strong unless buffed with 20 different things. If only you could buff pets...

Real class and race are Elea farmer.

>>12293867
Well, farmer = reaper...
Kumi-san would be proud.

>>12293884
>Kumi-san would be proud.

I only got enough favor with him to get his farming jewel, then betrayed him for Jure. I feel kind of bad.

This is that Eternal Force weapon I found. I just wish it had an invoke with a higher chance to proc.

Apologies for my inept shooping skills, I don't really like Paint.

>>12293902
Jure is hot, I'm sure he understands

Anyone know what the two numbers by the INI entry on my character sheet means?

>>12294177
I'm pretty sure it's part of the new AP system. For you specifically, it means extremely difficult AP gains because the monsters INI has to be higher than yours to gain AP, and, well, yours is huge.

>>12294177
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/AP

>INI is two numbers separated by a slash, and is determined at the time the character or NPC is created, not changing afterwards. The number on the left is equal to the sum of all attributes at character generation plus twice Life and half of Mana at character generation. The right hand number of the INI stat is simply speed at character generation.

Unfortunately, because this was implemented in 1.37, for characters existing before 1.37, their INI becomes relative to their attributes at the time you update to 1.37.

>>12293987
That's a pretty cool gun. I'd probably use it as my main gun if I was the one that found it. I'm currently using the Valkoinen Kuolema sniper rifle. It does a little bit more damage than the gun you posted but I'm not overly thrilled about the "deals cold damage" part.

Nevertheless, it's served me well along with the other 2 guns I carry around. One is a living weapon which I leveled specifically to demolish god type enemies. (Five headed god enemies fall by the wayside with that gun.) My other weapon is another living weapon gun which is specialized to destroy dragons. Lol, why do you need a gun specialized to drop dragons they're easy right? Well when you encounter elemental dragons that are lv 500+ as dungeon bosses you'll be glad for that extra damage. It's not that they're especially damaging it's the fact that they have obscene amounts of life.

>>12294212
>>12294224

Thanks for the info you two. Wow, I hope a future update fixes the INI thing for characters existing before 1.37 then. I'm not overly concerned because I've bought most of the AP abilities I wanted a long time ago and potions of upperspped and hermes blood have taken care of my speed. However, they should definitely fix this for other players who didn't get around to spending their AP prior to 1.37 or still have things they're looking to get.

>>12294280
You can just snack it. You cold find what your INI would have been by making a new character the same you yo made that and set its ini to those levels. Then again, if you've already gotten all the use for AP you probably don't need it anymore.

>>12294321
The only time I've ever snacked anything was for god hearts, because I wanted my god pets to be more awesome.

>>12294321
That's true and I suppose that's what other people should do. I can't say I've ever used Elosnack before but I'm aware of what it can do.

>>12294482
It's not really your fault, the game screws up the INI value

Summon Spirit is the best spell ever.

- spirit level scales with spell level. high level spirits are one of the very few ways you'll get a pet with 2000 speed in the current patch.

- Pudding Spirits have a decent chance of carrying sox. I'm swimming in scrolls of growth.

- you can Dominate spirits and sell them to the slave trader for a quick buck.

In other news, does anyone know of a way to turn off casting animations? It would make my grindan so, so much easier.

>>12294509
I'm pretty sure there's a setting in the menu for attack animation duration. Just make it instant.

>>12294554
none of the options have anything to do with casting animation. I'm hoping someone has figured out how to replace the animations with shorter ones, or the like.

>>12293867
how do you get custom portrait in elona+?

A couple of threads ago someone made mention that the "nuke your own house and get awesome weapons" trick didn't work anymore which I thought was interesting but understandable. I went to test if this was true in version 1.38R of elona+ but as it turns out the trick still works.

The trick really helps out anyone starting out in Elona+ because it revolves around killing the two npcs that give you the tutorial for the game. By looting their corpses you'll be able to get the Bow of Vinderre and the Ether Dagger/Dagger Surrounded by the Wind. Both weapons are incredibly powerful for anyone starting out and will allow a lv 1 person to immediately start doing red colored hunting quests.

You can't kill the NPCs at the start of the game in your house in a normal fight so that's where a nuclear bomb comes in. So create a character, accept the tutorial that the NPCs give and immediately leave your house. Do not kick them out of your house. Also, do not enter Vernis as this will cause them to leave your house as well. Instead, head to Derphy or any other town but Vernis and do escort quests and delivery quests. Make sure these quests do not lead you into Vernis as well. Any other city is acceptable. Do these quests until you get 12000 gold.

Next, go into any random field by pressing space bar on the overworld. In this random field try to find some rope. Now head to Derphy and talk to the NPC called Noel. Buy the atomic bomb for 12000 gold. Pick up the bomb and notice that you can't move because it weighs so much. This is where the rope comes in. Press T and select the rope and hang yourself. Die and choose to crawl back up and you'll appear back in your house with the two NPCs with hopefully the bomb still in your inventory.

If it's not there go back pick up the bomb and rehang yourself until you're in your house with the bomb in your inventory. Finally, press T again to activate the bomb and walk around as the countdown reaches 0. Revive and loot the NPCs

>>12294509
You can also get the Blue Spirit off summoned spirits, which is nice for someone who doesn't have magic resistance or wants a ton of hit and damage bonus.

>>12294624
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Custom_portrait

>>12294012
Are you saying Kumiromi's not hot too?

>>12294733
I could cuddle with Kumi and offer him my seed.

So for some reason, whenever I go to load my save file, it just shows "sav_Zakken" like it's supposed to, but the space where my location is supposed to be is blank. Whenever I try loading it anyway, it keeps trying to update from ver. 0 even though it's already loaded, then tells me some shit I shouldn't need to do, and closes itself out.

What the fuck should should I do, guys?

>>12295103
Sorry to say, anon... But I've seen that before, and I think you're fucked.

>>12293749
I've been playing for a while now. I've actually found that I've skipped way ahead in difficulty level. I'm running around now doing stag gods and elemental dragons at this point (stag gods, I can't kill by myself yet - element dragons, I NEED to kill by myself), though honestly, I should still be working around the ~tyrannobreaker-to-zilla tier. I'd stay, but that level tier's got me dead bored. It's a bit difficult at this point because there doesn't seem to be an intermediate between GODLY and ~meh monsters.

>>12293867
>I'm playing as some sort of enhancer
That sounds fun. I might try making one. I'm getting bored of using pets to kill shit.

>>12295970
Stag gods and element dragons represent a MAJOR difficulty spike, due to being random enemies of the god race. There's nothing at all wrong with just rod of changing them when they show up, there's no reason to deny yourself difficult dungeons over a couple OOD monsters.

>>12295128
Luckily I was able to restore my save file from a previous version from like a day ago. I'm gonna make sure to make a back-up regularly from now on.

>>12295970
How do you have 4 melee as loli race?

>>12296459
Everyone knows lolis have four arms.

okay so I just went to sleep and I had a soulmate pet. I've given a dream event where I have some choices after being told my exile is sleeping next to me.


a) sleep without minding
b) kick out
c) gently stroke
d) gently hug
e) whisper
f) behave like a spoiled child
WTF is this? what do I pick? what do the choices mean? is this a partial translation? (note I'm not married to this pet but my impress is high enough I could be)

>>12296500
It means you fuck.

Try to get both you and the pet to go over 100% at the same time.

I think the options are fairly self-explanatory.

>>12296526
what happens after both of you get 100% at the same time?

>>12296529
I have no idea. I just try to get us both to "reach the limit" at the same time every time, but i haven't done anything to verify if it actually has an effect.

If I had to take a pointed guess, I'd say it's a way of increasing relationship level.

Don't forget to check your bed for blood.

>>12296500
Your Exile wants to do lewd things
Try gently hugging her, and going from there

>>12296536
I can confirm it raises Relationship Level
Had a pet go from Fellow to Soulmate the first time she slept with me

After screwing around with my hard drive and running disk repair overnight, I actually managed to boot up and transfer my save files and minor data without any disk read errors
Yay!

Perhaps the Goddess of Luck really does smile upon me...
But I still need to go apostate if I want to add-on to my pet ensemble and one day summon all the gods to my house to live out my Pianist end-game dream of the greatest performance to ever grace Tyris.
But I'm glad I can return and I don't have to redo everything

>>12296591
Congrats!!!

>>12296548
>sex with exile
probably fucking a wasp would be less horrifying

>>12296659
dont bully the exile.

>>12296659
The evolved female Exile looks pretty cute
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution

Since her name is "Permanent Exile," I like to think that she accepted being an Exile forever from wherever she was originally as long as it meant she gets to stay with you

>>12296705
Permanent Exile have a three eyed mask in the left hand.
I liked it more as a real triclops.

i used to think that evolution hearts were an extremely rare thing, but now my floor is covered with them and I have no idea what to do with them all. Can you sell them in your shop?

>>12295970
I remember that stint in my early god slaying days.

The element dragon is probably the weakest of the god type monsters as it's damage is reduced significantly by resist gear/high level silence spell. Due to its attacks I understand why you say you must kill it by yourself since if your pets don't have the required elemental resists they die pretty fast.

Stag gods were painful for a bit. I ended up stacking lighting resist, working on leveling a healing spell and teleport spell, and doing lots of hit and run tactics to bring them down. Stag gods were my hardest enemies in the game for awhile as I could kill anything I saw with ease but when I saw a stag god I knew I could bring them down but I was in for a long and miserable fight. Eventually the levels and stats I gained through adventuring allowed me to ditch hit and run techniques and go toe to toe with it.

I thought the stag god was the worst enemy the game could throw at me aside from the gods you worship but then I met the Atlas and five headed god. The Atlas is a melee brute with a str of 736 that can demolish your life bar in seconds if it can get his hands on you and the five headed god is fast and has many attacks due to said heads. Each attack is an element but with even superb resists the attacks can whittle you down because of how fast and how many attacks it gets. Even worst is that it has a lot of life to boot as well.

Eventually my permanent solution to these god type enemies was stumbling upon a living weapon and stacking "deals massive damage to gods" when I leveled it up. That living weapon made things a whole lot easier when dealing with god enemies. I also found another living weapon later on and decided to stack "deals massive damage to dragons" to deal with various elemental dragons(red, white, elect, etc) not to be confused with the element dragon.

Summary: Level up, get more stats, get more resists, get living weapon to deal with god type monsters

It's been a long time since I've played. Are pets useful now? Do they scale well along with you?

should I be playing this? is it good?

and is it a online mmo?

thanks!

>>12297342
? I wasn't aware of a time when pets sucked although in Elona+ pets have been buffed with things like evolutions, ability to customize AIs, and the ability for pets to get AP so they can buy special abilities.

As for scaling there seems to be two camps when it comes to playing with pets. There's one group that dominates/catches pets and when it is no longer useful, or the character is strong enough to do so, dumps the pet and dominates/catches a stronger one. The other camp chooses a pet or handful of pets and decides to invest heavily in them instead of dumping and cycling through pets.

I'm part of the later camp due to evolution and AP mechanics for pets in Elona+. As a person that invests in his pets the general strategy is one where if it's good for your character it's likely good for your pet and if you take care of your pet your pet will take care of you. So make sure to give your pets good gear, blessed potions of potential, and send it to the dojo to train its skill potentials. Use the AP it earns to give it special abilities and increase its speed. Potions of upperspeed and hermes blood will be useful there as well. Herb food can also help increase the stats of your pets.

>>12297351
I've been really enjoying it, one of the best games I've played. You just gotta invest time into it.

And no. Not an MMO.

>>12297365
I used to be part of the latter camp, but then I went rogue and started tackling dungeons on my own. Took down <Azzrssil> the Impure earlier today in a 1v1 fight, felt pretty good.

>>12297351
It's a roguelike so expect to die a lot as you learn about the Elona world and how to survive in it. It's a challenging game so it should appeal to those looking for one. Despite being a roguelike Elona is actually a sandbox game and depending on the difficulty you choose you can actually keep playing the same character even if you die unlike other roguelikes.

Elona has an online element to it in the way of being able read about the deaths of other players who are also playing Elona at the same time you are. You won't be meeting other Elona players in your world though so at it's heart Elona is a single player game.

>>12297381
Solo play is totally viable and that's how I've played the game for a very long time. I didn't start looking into pets until I was like lv 300ish lol....but there are perks to being a late pet adopter. Specifically, it's pretty easy to invest in my pets since gold and gear are very easy to come by for me now.

This game is incredibly fun. Do any of you have recommendations for other games? Not that I'm getting tired of Elona, but sometimes it's nice to play something different.

Should I adapt over my level 25 Dwarf Farmer over to the next patch, or is shit too different so I'll have to go make a different character.

Or just rec me a character to play as regardless.

>>12297381

Loading up my old save, I have a lvl 328 nether dragon that has like 1k speed or something and 140k hp. How does this compare to pets that you train with evolution and ap?

>>12290039
Should someone maybe just make a new pastebin rather than reposting the one from /vg/?
That's the sort of thing that I might be willing to do if I'm not feeling too lazy one day.

>>12297351

>>12297430
Farmer isn't a bad class as the skills you start off with help you with harvest quests that I remember liking to do. The harvesting quests had you train weight lifting and healing(carrying too much can damage you making this skill kick in) which in turn helped in the development of your strength and constitution scores. Strength and constitution help to determine your health so the transition from farmer to dungeon diver was easier due to increased survivability. Just need to learn skills to use magic and depending on your playstyle a melee weapon or ranged weapon.

If you don't really care for your character though, which it sounds like, just know that all characters that choose to become adventurers and succeed at it eventually become some sort of melee/magic hybrid, ranged/magic hybrid, or a pet handler that might leave all the fighting to their pets. I recommend picking a race and class that supports these kind of playstyles. I personally found great success in playing a Gunner that later pick up magic so if I had to do it all over again my ideal picks due to my playstyle would be an Eulderna Gunner.

>>12292624
I'm still around, but I haven't really been playing that much so I haven't been participating in threads as often. It does kind of seem like there's not as many people here as the past few threads, though.

By the way, glad to see you still like that portrait.

>>12291836
I-I'm here too...

Aw, man. I've taken the random teleport disease. I'd cure it, but I really don't want to get rid of my draw rain disease.

>>12297479
Yes thank you very much for it.

Is there any way to remove doors from your home? It seems that whatever I try to do to a tile, the door remains on that tile.

Has anyone else ever wondered if the bit about potions and scrolls and whatnot being a different color from character to character is supposed to be clever commentary on the idea that perhaps we all actually see colors differently?

>>12297508
I think it's made that way to give more importance to identifying items first before using them.

>>12297494
Try closing it and bashing it.

Also another lurker returning after a year.

>>12297477

Do you mind giving me a brief overview of which classes are good or bad to start off with? Or which paths are or are not good?

>>12297580
I'm personally fond of starting out as Predator, it gets a +10 speed bonus that you keep even if you change your class later. It starts with Tactics and Eye of Mind to make your melee more effective, has Detection so you can start gathering materials for later crafting, Anatomy so you get more corpses to eat and Sense Quality to identify equipment. The only downside is you have no gear, but starter gear is never good at all.

I generally start as predator and melee through the early game, then class change to whatever I want my character to be. For melee/ranged, the 10% critical chance bonus Predators have isn't that bad either.

>>12297580
Generally speaking the tourist class is considered the hardest class to start with. As far as classes goes the one you pick should match what you want to do in the game. Having said that character generation shouldn't just revolve around which class to pick. Character race, class, and feats all should be considered when making a character.

When selecting your race pay attention to the attribute bonuses, abilities, and starting skills of the race. The description of the race should hint at the racial abilities.

When selecting your class pay attention to the attribute bonus, the starting skills that come with the class, and the class feat. The class feat isn't shown during character generation which is something they really need to fix in an update. Anyhow, the elona+ wiki has the listing of all the hidden class feats.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Class_feats_%28Elona%2B%29

Ideally you will want to choose a race and class that when combined will give you all the skills you need to do to be whatever you planned to be i.e sword wielding warrior, spell slinging wizard, gun wielding maniac, performer, hybrid, etc. Also the attribute bonus of both the race and class should be considered. If you want to be a ranged user pair a race and class that will give you good attribute bonuses towards dexterity and perception. Hybrids will want a decent attribute bonus spread so Eulderna is a good candidate there.

As for feats this is what I recommend: Exorcist(Take this no ifs ands or buts just take it. This feat will protect you from some asshole trying to curse your equipment while you sleep.) Any feat that raises your speed,. Any feat that raises your attributes. Any feat that raises your resists. Any feat that raises your luck. Maybe take the feat that increases faith. Avoid feats that give you special abilities such as fire breath or vamperic abilities. I have found them not particularly useful.

How do you know how much resistances you got from eating monster corspes so far? I'm trying to eat a king cobra for poison resist and no matter how much i save scum it's not giving me anything.

>>12297706
>As for feats this is what I recommend: Exorcist(Take this no ifs ands or buts just take it. This feat will protect you from some asshole trying to curse your equipment while you sleep.) Any feat that raises your speed,. Any feat that raises your attributes. Any feat that raises your resists. Any feat that raises your luck. Maybe take the feat that increases faith. Avoid feats that give you special abilities such as fire breath or vamperic abilities. I have found them not particularly useful.
Agreed that exorcist, +speed, +luck are all good feats that everyone wants. Also add +life and +mana. But the +skill feats are garbage because they're such tiny benefits. On the other hand, the special abilities are GREAT for utility and early game usage. Things like fire breath save your ass early on, then become excellent utility abilities late game once their offensive power can't keep up.

>>12297712
The gains in resistance when eating certain kinds of monsters isn't that much sadly. If you do gain some resistance you'll get some sort of flavor text. In the case of poison it's something along the lines of gaining antibodies to poison.

>>12297706

You can remove curse status for like 2.5k right?

>>12297728

The luck feats are very small and +speed is useless if you're riding a pet.

>>12297732

So there's no way of seeing how much resist you already have?

Haven't played in a while, so I have a few questions:

Was it a bad decision to add Crystal Spear to my Exile? I'm not sure.

My Elona+ is somewhat outdated at .34 I believe, so how do I update? All I do is just have my character on the world map before I update right?

How many pets should I try limit myself to? I want to keep my exile, but I also have my golden knight, black cat, xeren satellite, bell of termination, a Seraph, a Kirin mount...it's a bit overwhelming to be honest. Not sure if it's fine to spread out gold/herb'd food.

>>12297734
Your character sheet should tell you how much resist you have in total if that is what you're asking.

>>12297733
I originally started out the game as Jure Gunner that attempted to make money from performing. Alas, those were dark days as people threw rocks at me and I was so poor that I had to live off of hard bread and sleep in alleys. Being so poor I couldn't regularly afford the remove curse services so Exorcist saved me from a lot of frustration. As for luck it's hard to raise that attribute and feats is one solid way of doing it. As for speed I didn't use pets for the longest time so I had to rely on my own speed. It also should be noted that my speed by the time I got Lityou as a potential riding animal was already in the 500 range so riding would of actually hurt my speed than helped.

>>12297728
Only reason why I chose to avoid the special abilities is because for the most part magic eclipsed a lot of the use of the more interesting ones. I might be able to see a person picking them up if they are ardent about being a pure range or warrior type class though.

>>12297754
Save on the world map and backup your save file and maybe your user folder. Download the newest Elona and replace the necessary folders. Crystal spear is a good spell and I use it a lot with my main character so for a pet to have it as well I would think would be a good thing. If you're intent on raising a pet instead of replacing and cycling through pets I'd recommend just building up each pet one at a time or if resources permit only a handful.

>>12297734
Eating corpses only nets you about ## of resist, also try hitting the 'z' button on your equip screen, no guarantee it'll give you what you want, though.

>>12297758

A lot of your recommendations have little value later on in the game.

>>12297835
Like? If it's the feats I definitely stand by my recommendations but I'd like to hear what you disagree with and your reasoning behind them. For the feats how can additional gains to attributes, resistances, speed, and luck be a bad thing?

>>12297888

It's not that it's a bad thing. It's more like there's better uses for a feat point.

Also does anyone know the exact numbers for Ehekatl's randomize mp cost passive?

>>12297919
What feats do you recommend the points go then? Exorcism was incredibly good to me as it reduced frustration caused by really bad curses and it certainly helped save me money. The +speed feats to me also were invaluable in developing my speed which lead me to never needing to rely on the riding skill or worry about losing my mount and defaulting back to a lower speed amount if my speed was focused on my mount. My current speed is on it's way to surpass that of even the gods so even if I were to astral pen them and mount them I wouldn't see any speed gains. I question the overall worth of the riding skill now that I think about it. It's probably pretty good when you're starting out the game but eventually you can do without it.

>>12297942

I recently started playing again after quiting at patch 1.23 or 1.28. My current pet is giving me 1kish speed. If you have more than that, how do you do it?

As for which feats you could get, there's always the hp/mp/sta/resist ones.

Has someone successfully made a tourist snail?

>>12297945
I made mention of resist feats but I can understand hp/mp being tacked onto the list. Fair enough. Stamina would be a no for me. I only use maybe 3 special abilities frequently with disturbance being the most used. I haven't had any stamina problems up to this point but for a character that makes liberal use of special abilities I can see maybe picking it up.

As for speed I've been playing for quite a long time and I've guzzled tons of hermes blood, potions of upperspeed, and have used AP to boost my speed to where it is now. I'm level 330 currently and due to that I can conquer a wide range of dungeons and their bosses that have a chance of dropping medals. About 1 in 3 bosses drops at least one medal and since dungeon levels and their bosses don't discriminate I can do a lv 1 dungeon and clear it in seconds and have a chance for that boss to drop medals. I turn them in to Garok for the herme's blood. Potions of upperspeed can be found in dungeons and traded for using musical tickets.

>>12297942
Not that anon, but I'd recommend against the speed feats because speed has become the easiest attribute to raise. In vanilla Elona, I used to swear by them, but now there's hermes blood, speed uppers, Traveling and Swimming, AP increases. It's much harder increasing a stat by 3 or a skill by 4 than it is to increase speed by 5.

I value the stamina feats a lot, 8 per point up to 24. Since you get 1 stamina for 5 con or wil, this means the equivalent of 40 points in con or wil for one feat point, up to the equivalent of 120. With all the stamina skills Elona+ added, and the enemies that drain it, I think it's the best value per feat point overall.

The mana feat line is pretty nice too, and the barrier AP feat makes it more useful than life. Getting the entire line for 5 points gives you 25 mana, roughly the equivalent of turning in 80 little sisters for magic fruit once you reach the 10 little sister turn-in cap. You can't go wrong with more mana, since 300-400 mana will completely refill your health bar with cure of Jua, but a new player might want the similar life feat as well, especially if playing a Lich or Fairy.

The dark resistance feats are great, tons of things hit you with dark damage. The poison ones, not so much, since the only poison users are poison hounds and undead dragons. Unless you can't fit in the negates poison attribute in your gear, in which case it might help a bit.

The faith line is good, since you can't quite grind faith, and faith gets you a lot of skill and stat bonuses depending on your god. I'd take it over any other skill/stat line.

Finally, the PV feat line is ok, 15 PV for 3 points is the equivalent of +7.5 on a piece of gear; once you max out all your gear at +10 getting more PV will be complicated, outside of holy shield or the slowly leveling armor skills.

So, for an efficiency/value focus I'd get 3 points in stamina, 5 in mana, 2 in dark resist, 0-2 in faith and 1-3 in PV for the 13 base points.

>>12296459
Started out with the basic layout, but slapped on 2 more arms for extra action. I've found that twin edge actually stacks with the natural dual attack from dual wielding, allowing me to sometimes unleash a ripple of 12 attacks per button press. I chose thief, for her, so I don't have it, but I've also found that the warrior feat stacks with the same effect. It would be mighty nasty to launch a ~24 attack ripple.

I like to imagine that she actually has those weapons stowed on her person (like knife holders) and just quickly cycles through all four with her two hands. Mind you, all those weapons are indeed knives (short sword).

>>12297970
Umm, anon. You can eat a dead little sister for ~1 mana. If you had 80 little sisters anyway, you might have been better off eating them (you also get ~1 life and ~something amount of potential to something.

>>12297970

The hp feats is still useful even if you aren't a fairy. Faith, though hard to train, isn't that useful and the pv is unlikly to reduce more than than what the hp feats give.

>>12297966

I have 1k speed while playing 1/3 as long as you though. Sta also helps with gardening, which is a great way of getting stat boosting herbs, as well as for using rampage and charge in dungeons.

>>12297974
The problem with doing that is eating the little sisters causes Big Daddy spawn rate to decrease. The x saved x killed counter keeps track of that. I'd strongly recommend against killing and eating them in the long run. Moreso because if you do want to recover a precious item from the quest at some point, you also have to compensate for the ones you killed. Also, at some point they stop giving +1/+1 life/mana every time (or at least it worked that way in the original elona, that's the last time I ever ate them).

>>12297976
>The hp feats is still useful even if you aren't a fairy

I find myself regretting I have as much life as I do lately. The only thing that really damages me through my PV/resistances are special attacks. And those are limited to 1/2 of your HP bar or entire bar in the case of awful things that can use fury. So, while my mana shield is holding, the only thing more HP does is actually make me take more damage from special attacks. If I had 10 times more MP than HP I could take dozens of charged hits before going down. Leveling magic capacity would be hell, though.

>>12297973
Or probably I miscalculated that and it's actually 8 and 12 ripple attacks respectively.

>>12297981
>Big Daddy spawn rate to decrease
Woah, really? That's the first time I've heard of that. That is quite concerning, if true. Good thing I haven't gone on a killing spree yet.

>>12297989

In general most things aren't very damaging even if you have low hp. With the hp buff, you should have about 130-140 hp, which is a reasonable while not excessive hp. The gains from faith or pv is even worse than what you get from hp.

>>12297999
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Little_sister

>Note that chance for a Big Daddy to spawn on a dungeon level goes down slightly with each little sister killed (6.67% at 0 kills, 2.86% at 10 kills, 1.01% at 42 kills, 0.47% at 100 kills). Turning them in does not affect Big Daddy spawn chance.

I can't say I tested it myself lately, but can vouch I wasn't seeing many Big Daddies anymore once I had killed a couple dozens (again, that was in the original Elona, so I can't say it hasn't changed for sure).

>>12297999
News to me too. I'm in big trouble then lol.

>>12298006
The gains from Faith can be very good depending on your god (Itzpalt gives you resistance to fire/cold/lightning for example). I'll agree faith is near useless for some gods though. And, at high PV levels, a couple of points putting you from 90% to 91% means effectively decreasing your damage taken by 10%. But yes, the PV amount per point is not exactly impressive. Still, it'll serve you well both early when lacking decent gear and late where 1% more damage reduction is huge.

I do agree the life feats can be good, it's just I find myself making do without them lately. It's a matter of personal preference.

>>12298013
This is why I immediately use Directive to the little sister to go back town asap. These girls are so frail and delicate.

>>12297989
Not much really damages you through your PV? Holy cow how much PV do you have and how did you get it? I still have to be careful around enemies deep in the abyss.

>>12297989
Sorry meant void.

I hope the game keeps throwing these at me! I want to beat myself up for abandoning dungeons whenever I saw a bell boss before I found out I can kill them in one hit.

I'd like to say that Pianist has an excellent end game. You really need to focus on pets for the Ensemble ability.

I can make about 500 music tickets from each performance, so getting Hero Cheese and Magic Fruit via tickets isn't so bad at all.

Very hard in the beginning though, I actually started off as a warrior.

Does anyone know what "behave like a spoiled child" means exactly? Are you just flailing around going "please have sex with me!"?

>>12298260
I just interpreted it as doing something "selfish" in bed or making them do the work.
Or 授乳手コキ
I hope it's 授乳手コキ

>>12297467
What are some things in specific you guys think need to be in it? Potential basics, starting skills, and to go for platinum early on, but other than that I think the wiki covers most everything.

The current paste is a bloated mess...

>>12297733
getting your blessed shit cursed in the middle of a 10 floor dungeon filled with death kinda sucks.

>>12297508
You don't play many rogue likes, do you? It's something pretty common and way more important in a gamplay point of view for other rogue likes. Otherwise you would just know what a potion does before identifying them.

>>12298467
>>12297510
I'm sorry, it was a stupid joke. I guess I'll kill myself now.

>>12298447
Well, I've started working on reconstructing it and cutting out some extraneous bloat. I think the current one gets a little too messy to quickly read through for a first timer.
Updating links and the like as well.

>>12298537
Do we want to just rework the existing one, or should we try to make a new one?
Also, I've sort of started writing a 'starting from scratch' guide that I'm going to try making easy to go through for someone who has has just heard of the game (starting with where to download it and making an adventurer).

Apparently you have the option to change the name of your race during character creation now. Is that new or did I just miss that?
Also, does anyone know of any effects that changing your race's name?

>>12298172

Do you mean each party time quest?

>>12298570
I think he meant each time he plays Ensemble.

>>12298546
I'm doing a bit of both right now. I'm trying to make it less overwhelming and have a proper format rather than "here's a million and one facts to remember in a completely random order".

Sort of like, a reference sheet so if they want to look at something at a glance, it's simple and easy to find.
I'm using some of the information from the old one, but re-writing and updating a good bit of it.

>>12298603
Disregard the extra [basic]. The first one shouldn't be there.

>>12298603
>>12298546

http://pastebin.com/qi6SEHtV

Here's a rough WIP of the formatting I'm going to be using. I'll probably have it finished today or tomorrow, but if anyone has any input it'd be appreciated. Also if you spot errors be sure to point it out.

>>12298566
It's not that new, I think it was added in a .2x version. The effect is entirely cosmetic. If you ever feel like changing your race name, you can do it through a pot of fusion item.

Class names work the same way, with the exception that changing your class name to one of the original classes also gives you that class feat (you lose your old class feat in the process). So renaming your class from "Warmage" to "Knight" won't do anything since "Knight" isn't a preexisting class. You'll keep your warmage cast chance feat. However, changing your class to "warrior" (lowercase is important) will rename your class to "Warrior" and grant you the warrior class feat.

>>12298570
Yes

>>12298573
Man, I wish

>>12298677

It's faster to just dominate town children and turn them into that dude.

>>12298695
Palmia always has several Party Time quests, so I make over a thousand tickets every trip there, while handing over kids to the creepy bard chick only gets me 300 tickets per kid, plus it wastes domination spell stock.

I can make more in one quest in any city than handing in children.

>>12298706

Just pick up kids whenever you see them. It doesn't take up more than a sec or so to dominate them since they're like lvl 1. If you're low on dominate spell stock, just buy more from the mage guild.

I keep getting fucked over in 4-2. I'm ready to just brute force my way with 4 CVs and 2 BBs. What fleet comp did you guys use?

>>12298778
Didn't dominated kids get removed permanently from town? That what I read a few threads ago at least.

>>12298808
I just spammed magic dart at everything outside melee range, and hit anything next to me with my mace. Worked perfectly, I was level 33. No pets.

>>12298778

How do you get them to stock dominate?

>>12298976
In normal Elona domination can't be reserved but in Elona+ if you invest in the npc that reserves books and bring the rank to 60 or more you'll begin to see them.

>>12298848

You can't dominate town kids in noyel and any you find in quest. But you can dominate the kids you see walking around town. You might be able to use knock down/monster balls on them too.

>>12299004
I think you also have to find and read the book on your own before they will stock it

>>12299110
Ah yes, you're absolutely correct. On that note I wish there was an actual meteor book that I could read which I could eventually reserve at the mages guild.

>>12299130
I wish I could reserve Harvest

>>12299140

Harvest isn't a good spell anymore. You can get money easy enough from cooking or doing high lvl dungeons.

>>12299151
That too
If you can't reserve it, they should bring back the old Harvest or at least have it like that at higher levels of the spell

I just found a dog sister's diary, but it's cursed. That doesn't make any difference, does it?

>>12299166
I'd recommend blessing it anyway
Water shouldn't be hard to come by or create via pots of fusion by now

>>12299166
Yes, diaries don't take into account curse or bless.

What does Halloween do? Also I got an Asura but I have no idea what easy to get pet can give it chest body parts. Also what are good weapons foor it? I have that ether dagger I got for nuking my cave at the beginning and grinding for the lucky one.

>>12299569
Ether weapons are good for pets since they can't get the sickness. For an Asura (or for any multiwielding build) make sure to give it weapons that don't incur too great hit penalties.

>>12297409
Please respond ;_;

>>12299592
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

What are good wishes? I have the seven league boots already, got a happy bed from cupids, my speed ring isn't bad at all and I don't really need an aurora ring.

>>12299629
Secret experiences of kumiromi,

>>12299639
What do you need to type for that anyway?

>>12299642
I think it's just kumi, last I checked. Not sure though, look at the wiki.

I wish the discarded ranch wasn't postgame-tier because I want to keep it

>>12299629
If you're early into the game and don't have the means to invest in shops and such wishing for potions of evolution is an alright wish. An Astral Pen is also another option. Potions of descent isn't bad either. You can bless them so you gain a level instead of lose it.

>>12299666
I wouldn't recommend wishing for evolution. People seem to really like them, but potions of mutation are far more common, and blessing a stack of mutation potions can give better results that looking around for a few evolutions. Effects that are difficult to duplicate like Astral Pen and Seven League boots and kumiromis I think are best for wishing.

>>12299662
Park it at the dojo.

>>12299679
With regular potions of mutation isn't there a chance you could end up with a bad mutation or does blessing them eliminate that? Or does it just give you more mutations but they can be good or bad? Potions of evolution I know give you 2-4 good ones.

>>12299621
Sorry...

>>12299699
Evolution is guaranteed good mutations (I'm fairly certain), but blessed potions of mutation seem to increase the chance that the mutation will be positive. Even if you might incur one or two bad mutations, you'll likely gain enough positive mutations that it'll be worth it. And of course, it wouldn't take too long to eliminate the negative mutations since those potions are so common.

>>12299702
Don't be.

>>12299699
>>12299711
Either way it's a total waste of a wish given you can just buy potions of evolution.

>>12299966
A waste? You make it sound like wishes are a finite resource when they're not. Anyhow, I already said if the person doesn't have the means to buy said potions he can wish for them instead to reap the benefits of them earlier in the game and have a guaranteed method of getting good mutations. Yes, he can wait till later to get them but that logic can also be used for any of the normally wished for things such as astral pen, happy bed, seven league boots, and secret experiences of kumi. One can just wait for those items to drop from their respective enemies. Why no nitpick there?

>>12300050
Those are sparser resources than potions of evolution. The point of a wish is to trade one resource (wishes) for a rarer one (the wished for item), or to summon a god. However, if you wish for something more easily available than the wish, you're trading downwards in rarity. And that's a bad thing because it denotes loss. Therefore it should be done only in case of immediate need.

What are better pets statwise, gold or silver bells?

>>12299650
>>12299639
>>12299642
Type the full name of the item and you should get it
I wished for it recently

>>12300619
I always use miromi and it's never failed.

What the fuck? I dreamt I was playing elona and found two rabbit tails on the same dungeon level.

>>12300857
"miromi" runs the risk of giving you an ether mirror instead, since the parser will read the "miro" part and match it to "mirror". I did some testing a while ago and as far as I recall only "kumi expe" would produce an experience in 100% of the cases.

>>12300891
- It might - but it doesn't. I only use miromi and it's always, I repeat, always given the secret experience.

I spend all my wishes on Ether Mirrors for artifact fusion. Magic Resistance works on all magic, so it's the best deal around.

>>12300050
I haven't seen a wish in a very, very long time. They certainly seem rare to me.

>>12301279
The more wishes you get in a certain amount of time, the less likely you will get another.
If you ever drank from a well and it said "You felt as if a stroke of luck passed you by" or something, that means you got fucked out of a wish.

The more time goes by, like in years, the more likely you will get a wish.
Also, the Holy Well in Noyel has a high wish chance if you really want one.

I've been wondering, can I equip anything onto the range slot and still get its stats and bonuses? Any melee weapon? Or will there be some sort of negative effect?

>>12301282
I know how it works. It's just that I've had the unfortunate luck of not having any actually wish for a long time.

>>12301309
No, just equip something on there that gives good bonuses.

>>12301318
You should follow Ehekatl and get a bunch of Happy Apples then.
I've been pumping luck the entire game as my highest stat and wishes aren't too hard for me to come by. I've long run out of things to wish for.
My pets seem to get them a lot more though, and they are nice enough to let me make the wish
Thanks pets, I love you guys

>>12301309
That's what I do for my melee/tank pets
My Valkyrie has the Al'ud in her range spot, she never shoots anyway.
You can also equip ammo too for even more bonuses such as valuable resistances.

I got a camera from performing, what does it do?

>>12301309
There's no negative effect, you can even press f and shoot that weapon, so you can throw claymores all you like. You can also wear ammo if you don't use ranged attacks, for whatever bonus the ammo material has. I tend to wear spell enhancement weapons in my ranged slot, with a spirit cloth arrow/energy cell since I won't use ranged attacks.

>>12301363

Wishes aren't even that useful, and luck plays a very small roll in what you get.

Breeding the snail gives shades

>>12302318
Naturally.
Just like how pumpkins breed giant ent trees.

>>12302318
Geez I don't know how you can manage to keep that many in your party at the same time. I only have 3 companions and battle's already chaotic as fuck.

>>12302322
I currently assigned one of those shades, it has 200 breding power and only produces orcs, are these things supposed to work like that?

>>12302344
I honestly don't know the details of breeding. I think that each creature might belong to a group and creatures can produce offspring in that group, and it might be that some creatures get thrown in with other creatures if the person coding the game couldn't think of any better grouping method. Like it seems that Putits only make other putits and I think I saw a slime once, breeding quicklings only makes other quicklings, and breeding town NPCs makes other town NPCs (I assigned one of those passive child NPCs you see around town and it made various children and old people NPCs like that).
But then I've a pumpkin assigned which seems to pump out random monsters.

>>12302343
Lately my pets are getting more useless, I finally started to kill things with magic dart with this fairy race and I don't even care about inv space since I have lifting lv22 and my early game speed bonus lets me gotta go fast even if burdened. Also the bell steals almost every kill from other pets and this is kinda starting to get annoying. So far I have the starting little girl and the little sister that do fine anyway, four juere infantries that I should dispatch soon and one Asura that misses everytime even if it only has 1.5- daggers. Also the black cat that can't manage to level up once thanks to the bell.

>>12302356
I'll try to check other shades, maybe they'll spam other things since the two I had had respectively a 40 and 200 breeding power, maybe they can spam whatever it has similar points

>>12302343
The trick to battling with several allies is to simply not care about what they are doing (unless you're training them or something of that nature). Just keep an eye on health so you can heal/send them home when need be. Though I suppose I should ask what you find most chaotic about having them in battle.

>>12302366
Since shades are technically copies of monsters, have you checked that they were not, in fact shades of your original pet?

>>12302371
They aren't since I don't have orcs or similar stuff in the party, they were fresh shades born from the snail. I'll try to do some testing tomorrow.

>>12302369
Probably the part where you can't even see what monsters are arriving anymore since they'll just rush to it and kill it, also acid puddles are the worst thing early game.

>>12302378
Then that just sounds like a matter of your pets being quicker than you, which I guess could be solved by increasing your own speed and or finding a decent mount. Do you have your pets leashed? That might help.

>>12302369
It's a bit difficult. With my setup, I have one tank, my little girl, and two gunners. Plus myself, also a gunner. You can imagine what I'm trying to do here. However, I think that being the person in the lead means that I need to be the first in. However I can't effectively tank. To make matters worse, I'm faster than all of my pets, so they normally lag behind. What this means is, I make liberal (but not intentionally) use of the leash effect. However, in my party, the tank is also slowest. So, she gets leashed back last, if at all (I notice sometimes it doesn't work), which means one of us three gunners need to tank for a few turns. However, being fragile as fuck, that's usually the time it takes to kill one of us. And I don't know about you, but my companions dying isn't something that sits well with me - even in this game where the results are usually trivial. Another frustration is that, being early in the game, we don't have good resists yet, and I'm having big problems with hounds and baptists.

To be honest, it's nothing that a good amount of AP can't fix (some speed improvements for our tank and some AI adjustment for our gunners would help a lot) but, as you might guess by my level, South Tyris is still a long way from where I stand, and before I could get there, I need to find a way to make a cohesive party that can work well together.

>>12302378
grab a leash, and get equipment or pets that float. Stethoscope to watch their health, and enough charisma to cast the call/send away ally skill.

My primary strategy is being a healing damageshield that keeps my companions happy, healthy, and well fed. I take care of them, and then they take care of me!

>>12302344
Shades are not an actual monster, they're simply a random monster made to have the shade sprite and name.

So basically, the shade's just an orc.

>>12302389
Well, there isn't a whole lot I can think to tell you as I don't have much experience using someone other than myself as a meatshield. Try to not move as quickly in dungeons so you can spot enemies when they're at the edge of the screen and start shooting there rather than accidentally running up in their face. Find equipment with good speed boost for your tank or maybe find some quicker person you might be able to train for tanking. I wouldn't recommend just abandoning her as that would be pretty cruel, but finding someone to help her with her job might increase everyone's chances of survival and growth. Consider working on magic. It's pretty great to have in general anyway, and it might be good if you could debuff an opponent's speed and strength while waiting for your tank to show up, not to mention all the other nice buff/debuff spells.

>>12302389
Why don't you just change their directive to "Intercept"?

What's a nigga gotta do to kill a <chaos mimic> around here?

This has been going on for so long.

HaHA!!

>>12302695

Use magic.

>>12302741
>>12302852
...is this a brand new layer of hell?

>>12301679
I don't think it does anything

>>12302852
>>12302741
>>12302695
Use magic dart for enemies you have trouble hitting

>>12302410
Thanks for your advice.

I've taken a few into practice, such as going much slower into dungeons (I was spoiled when I had godly DV and just shadow stepped through dungeons) and I acquired a new gunner, but this time also tank - Mani's android. Damn, that 75% armor sounds incredible. I can't wait to try her out. But first, going to kit her up.

I'm trying to baby step my way through magic. Unlike my old fairy, I couldn't just cast (and therefore train spells) to my heart's delight any more. Going to do my best though!

It will be quite interesting this to work exclusively within the framework of my 5-girl team (the lineup of which is, I think, final). I'm so looking forward to South Tyris and AP farming.

>>12303753
Just spam buffs to build up your casting level, then when it's high enough to have a chance at casting other spells, just keep spamming magic dart on weaker enemies to build up its level.

>>12303753
Is that your home? Cute! It could use some furniture, though.

>>12303753
EXPLAIN THOSE SPRITES

>>12304257
calm down dude. He probably just has some custom ones.

I want a bell pet, what the better one, gold or silver?

>>12304596
Check the wiki. IIRC, the silver is slightly better but not enough to pass on a goldbell for it.
But really, check the stats in the wiki.

>>12303802
Yeah, I'm currently building up the usual: holy shield, hero and feather. I already have stocks for regen when I finally get my casting up to par. Offensive-wise, I'm building weakness, to be followed by slow, and then, when I finally get some books of it, silence. As for my offensive spell, i think I'm taking mind bolt this time around.

>>12304226
Thanks! As you can tell, I'm still in the early game, so that explains why there's nothing yet. I managed to get myself a small castle from inheriting a massive amount of cargo from my parent, but furniture hunting is a lot harder when I don't have pickpocket yet.

>>12304257
They're custom sprites of normal pet monsters. From the top to bottom then left to right, I have an android, a young lady, a little girl, me, and an older sister. I also inherited the hearts I didn't use from my parent, which is most of them, because I only ran valkyrie - so they're actually a young lady vampire, a little girl witch and a little older sister. I never did get my hands on a god heart at any point, so...

>>12305051
You customized them yourself or they were in some pixiv set, like the monstergirls one?
this one is really scut

>>12305527
I got them from various places. I lack the ability to edit, much less make my own. That one, in particlar, I got from the ElonaUploader.

>>12305548
Oh, okay. have some mustache for your disturb

>>12305051

It's not really worth lvling up slow, weakness or silence. Actually, none of the debuff spells are really worth lvling later on since strong enemies tend to resist it. Your best best if you're going the magic route is to use magic damage spells like magic dart, crystal spear and idealistically magic storm.

>>12305664
I disagree. My old fairy with >50 weakness, slow and silence with Mag abyss can effectively cripple with "strong" enemies twice her level (~120 ish) I could use them too on low-god monsters. Mostly weakness and slow. This is when Dark Eye cannot effectively blind her enemies anymore.

Furthermore, I'm not pursuing magic as the primary offense for this new character. As I said, she's a gunner, and I'm picking magic p more for utility (I chose mind bolt for the confuse, not the damage)

>>12305527
>is really scut
Is really it's cute.
Scut stands for "it's cute."

>>12305683

Bosses have very high resistances to debuffs and normal enemies aren't really lvling those spells.