/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Noble Works - 22,001 / 57,690 (38.1%) lines translated, partial patch released
Oreimo PSP - 100% translated, 239/299 through TLC+Editing, 217/299 scripts finalized, Kirino + Ayase partial patch released
Oreimo Tsuzuku - 199/268 scripts translated, 78/268 through TLC+Editing, 66/268 scripts finalized
>Princess Maker 5- 86.06% lines translated, 32.91% of lines finalized
Rance 5D - 40% translated
>Rance 6 - 10% translated
>Rance Quest - 16.00% messages and 80.94% strings translated
Rewrite Harvest Festa - 1464/30040 (4.87%) lines translated
Rose Guns Days 3 - 60% translated and edited
SakuSaku - Common route + Konami route fully translated, 23424/49257 (48%) lines translated, 15993/49257 (32%) lines finalized
>Sanarara R - 10/124 scripts translated
>Sayonara wo Oshiete - 4269/14309 (29.8%) lines translated
Sonicomi - 360/18196 (2%) lines translated
SonoHana 10 - Being translated
SonoHana 11 - Being translated
SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 48564/53520 (90.7%) lines translated and 40597/53520 (75.9%) lines edited
Supreme Candy - ~14573/43261 (~33.7%) lines translated
Tasogaredoki no Kyoukaisen - 100% translated, in editing
To Heart2- 67% translated- "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", new alpha patch released
Witch's Garden - 11236/53734 (20.91%) lines translated
White Album 2 - Opening chapter fully translated with a "rough patch", Closing Chapter: 3038/35275 (8.61%) lines translated
Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na - 100% translated and edited, 54% QC, partial patch released
>Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 72.67%, Kazuha 100%, Akira 84.64%, Motoka 30.67%, Common and Kazuha fully edited

Official work

MangaGamer
Royal Guard Melissa - November 14 release
Kyoudai Hiai - Beta complete
Eden - In scripting
Space Pirate Sara - In Beta
>No Thank You - In scripting, demo released
Princess Evangile - In beta
Yome no Imouto to no Inai - In scripting
Kara no Shoujo 2 - 30.9% translated, 22.1% edited
Bokuten - 41.0% translated, 10.1% edited
Da Capo 3 - Prologue + Ch. 0 complete, Common route 66.6% translated, overall 29.4%
Higurashi (retranslation) - 14.5% of Watanagashi TL, Onikakushi editing finished
Gahkthun - 46.1% translated, 18.9% edited
OZMAFIA - Main route: 50.9% translated, overall 8.2% translated
Euphoria - 51.9% translated, 2.0% edited
House in Fata Morgana - 15.8% translated
Free Friends - Fully translated and edited
Free Friends 2 - 16% translated, 16% edited
Supipara - Intend to fund through Eden's sales

JAST
Romanesque - Nearly finished, now in preorder
Hanachirasu - 99% complete
Django - Couple more months of translation
Sumaga- Fully translated, in editing
Seinarukana- Mostly translated
Starless - In translation
Trample on Schatten- translation about half done
Shiny Days - Translation finished
Raidy III - TL finished, in insertion
Sweet Home - In translation
Sumeragi Ryoko - Picked up

Sekai Project
World End Economica- Chapter 2 by end of year
Fault -milestone one- - end of the year release
Grisaia trilogy - Kickstarter planned
Clannad - picked up
WAS Lepidoptera no Sunadokey - Picked up, kickstarter planned for voices

Other
Moenovel is working on another title
Eiyuu Senki - PS3 version picked up
Nekopara - Release will include a TL
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
Work being done on a fanTL of Shin Koihime with hopes of getting it licensed
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

What do you do when your company has more Kickstarters than completed projects?

>>12675027
You rake in the cash and do absolutely jackshit, like with most Kickstarts

>>12675034
I'm still trying to understand Sekai business model, why people give them money and why all the other companies aren't doing the same.
They spend absolutely no money, if their shit gets funded they make tons of money and if it doesn't they don't lose anything.

>>12674997
>WAS Lepidoptera no Sunadokey - Picked up, kickstarter planned for voices
Kickstarter has already started: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/bring-was-the-hourglass-of-lepidoptera-to-the-west

Does JAST do anything?

JAST's new Chun-li VN.

>>12675057
Release games once in a blue moon without scamming retards

>Sayonara wo Oshiete - 4269/14309 (29.8%) lines translated

I don't know what is real anymore

Speaking of JAST, they have the physical edition of Kara no Shoujo for some reason. Not even MG's website has that.

http://www.jastusa.com/shop/kara-no-shoujo.html

>Cannonball - Fully translated and edited, in QC, going through last pass
NEVER
EVER
EVER
coming out

>>12675074
For a while MangaGamer had it exclusive to their shop. Perhaps they ran out of their stock after they put it up for wholesale?

>>12675043
You've gotta hand it to Dovac, he's actually pretty smart for coming up with this business model. He's found a way to exploit the largely untapped market of weeaboos in a way that involves little to no risk (or effort) on his part. All he has to do is create a semi-professional looking kickstarter page, and the weeaboos will eat that shit up. Then he can just contract the project out to other people and keep most of the profits for himself.

As to why other companies aren't following suit, have you seen the competition? MG and JAST are run by complete idiots.

>>12675237
MG and JAST both have very few full-time employees and contract freelancers to do most of their work. It's a pretty common business model in all industries, isn't it?

I'm still confused why JAST hasn't officially released Kikokugai yet. It was fan translated by someone who actually works for them, plus they are partnered with Nitroplus. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

>>12675253
Probably the same reason they haven't released Hanachirasu either, there are compatibility problems on Windows 8 that can't be resolved without fully porting the game to a new engine. I'm guessing that's the new work Doddler recently received.

>>12675253
I'd think the translation would need a touch-up just like they did for Saya.

I still remember I pre-ordered Hanachirasu a year and a half ago?
Why'd I do that.

>>12675305
The translation is one of the best I've seen so they wouldn't need to much touch up. Not to mention it's a pretty short visual novel.

Why is it that everyone who attempts to translate Scaji is so useless?

>>12674992
>Cannonball - Fully translated and edited, in QC, going through last pass
If the patch comes out during finals week I swear to fucking god I will fail all my classes.

>>12675444
That's not a good plan. Just ignore the internet that week.

>>12675419
>The translation is one of the best I've seen so they wouldn't need to much touch up. Not to mention it's a pretty short visual novel.
Don't underestimate Makoto's perfectionism.

>>12675043
It's weird, the other companies don't even need to do it as much as Sekai Project. Just use it for the really important ones and see how much people are willing to pay.

Also, what happened to when Sekai Project was a small fan translation group translating School Days? Is it even the same people?

>>12675448
>Just ignore the internet for a week.
Is that even possible?

>Princess Maker 5- 86.06% lines translated, 32.91% of lines finalized
>Sayonara wo Oshiete - 4269/14309 (29.8%) lines translated
>SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 48564/53520 (90.7%) lines translated and 40597/53520 (75.9%) lines edited

Waiting warmly.

I don't think anyone who browses /jp/ is still EOP, so why are these threads still here?

>>12675884
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

>>12675884
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>12675237

hi dovac

>>12675884
Let the EOP have their shit thread, they will leave us the fuck alone.

>>12675884
The most destructive breed of shitposting since saten.

>>12675924
the use of any and all post-2012 memes should be made into automatic ninety-day offenses

nobody using one can possibly say anything worth listening to

>>12674992
>Cannonball
>Basically, my QCers either said they don't have enough time or just went dark
Why QCs and editors is always bunch of lazy scum?

>>12675884
i know right? EOP should just fuck off to fuwanovel or hongfire

>>12675884
Get the fuck out of /jp/ right back to where you came from to start shitting up VNTS threads this summer.
Not announcing anything.

>>12675884
Hi, atlas-scum !

Why did that stupid post get so many responses? Normally this thread knows better. I wonder if some of the responses are faked.

>>12675998
EOPs are naturally dumb.

Apparently this is a thing.

http://libraryshepherd.tumblr.com/

>>12675974
>EOP
>Telling people to fuck off from /jp/
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>12676052
hu qot ;)

>>12674992
I have a great Idea OP. How about you make a fuwanovel account and make this shitty thread about translation status there?

This thread just baiting crossie from /a/ and /vg/ to /jp/. Honestly, i rather see this thread gone forever from /jp/ .

>>12676044
Huh. Hopefully they're competent.

I'm going to report this and you should too.

>>12676082
mad EOP XD

>>12676059
cool idea /b/ro

>>12675998
>Normally this thread knows better
What? Are you new to our little Weekly Shitposting Thread?
90% of the time there's some very embarrassing for any same human, utterly autistic bickering over some small thing, which is not related to VNs.

>>12676121
Sen/mpai is extremely relevant

Ded thread.
Ded board.
Ded scene.
Weekly reminder.

>Yaoishit
No thank you.

>>12674997
>Clannad - picked up
You forgot Kickstarter planned.

>yfw NTY is best MG selling title of the year

>yfw NTY is MG best selling title of the year

>>12676208
Because no one bought Cartagra, Mangagamer will become full BL in only two years.

Also who are you quoting?

>>12675884
90% - EOPs
9.9% - pretending not to be EOPs
0.1% - knows some moon

>>12676211

It's what happens when you only offer digital downloads for people who want physical copies. It'd be nice if they could work that out, but doesn't seem likely.

What's going on with Rose Guns Days? Are they planning on translating the whole last chapter before releasing next patch?

>>12676649
Well, if MG can't afford to make hard-copies available at the same time they release the digital version I think that it'd be a good idea to adopt a sort of pre-order system for hard-copies. That way, MG can try to actually have more concrete numbers and lower the potential of them losing money because of such release. But in order to avoid releasing the hard-copy some months after its pre-order, they should try to actually get a master version ready and then they just need to print and get ready to ship.

>>12675905
Why would that be dovac? He just posted about how cleaver it is that he's exploiting a market without putting in any effort. I doubt dovac would post that.

>>12676870
You don't understand. Everybody you disagree with or dislike in a conversation involving Sekai Project is dovac.

>>12675905>>12676870
At least dovac definitely wouldn't call himself "Dovac", it pisses him off when his nick is spelled with capital D (just like "Clannad").

Will this be another December without angels?

>>12677351
yesno.

>>12675884
I use these threads to laugh at EOPs.

>>Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na - 100% translated and edited, 54% QC, partial patch released

So what happened to this? Last i remember it was updated in march Did they just really dropped it after it was finally finished editing.

>>12677388
They probably lied about the progress.

>>12677388
>Project status
>The project is currently on hold.
http://erengy.com/projects/yoake/

Also http://forums.novelnews.net/showthread.php?t=36242

>>12677438
Should have phrased my question better. Do you know how long its been on hold?

>>12677426
Sheeta is the editor, I doubt she would lie about the progress. I don't remember her ever doing that.

>>12677470
> I don't remember her ever doing that.
You don't remember her only project AIR, where she kept lying about progress and then copied competitor's translation when they released their beta version?

>>12676189
>yaoi
>shit

Pick one.

>>12677589
If you don't clean it out properly, you can have both.

>>12677524
Please stop spreading bullshit. This can be proven wrong by taking even a quick glance at both translations. (If you know anything about the projects themselves, you'll realize this doesn't even make any sense since she could've done so from the start but the Edger/Sheeta project started from scratch because they were dissatisfied with the original fan translation project that Gao Gao eventually (almost) finished.)

>>12676208

It's certainly moving about tumblr, but I dunno how many of them will actually pay for the full game. It's pretty funny watching people say they can't wait to pirate it. Our rotten counterparts are not so different after all. Given the exposure, they'll probably make decent-to-good sales on it, though, but I doubt it'll beat out imopara.

>>12677621
I hope no one played Sheeta's awful patch.

>>12677621
> since she could've done so from the start but the Edger/Sheeta project started from scratch because they were dissatisfied with the original fan translation project that Gao Gao eventually (almost) finished
Stop making up things. Sheeta never had any access to GaoGao files, so obviously she couldn't steal their work before they released beta version.
Old ETW files had translation for very small part of game and were almost entirely retranslated. Cowteats, on other hand, never shared with Sheeta any of his work prior to joining GaoGao.

>12Riven- 46.5/72 scripts translated, 3/75 scripts edited
Will this be as disappointing as Killer Queen and I/O?

It was just a coincidence that after GaoGao's patch was released, Sheeta, someone who has taken multiple years and counting to edit one game, started translating four or five times faster, no longer needed Ixrec to translate major chunks of the game for her, and needed no editing.

Obv.

>>12675950
Most people who randomly volunteer to QC or edit think "Hey, my high school english grades were good, and I'll be able to play this before anyone else!" They sign up expecting an easy job and then get surprised when they learn they actually have to do work.

>>12676044
This is a cool thing you found. Hopefully it turns out well.

>>12676674
It's Ryukishi. Who the fuck cares?

>>12677742
The thing about QC/Editing is that if the initial translator is good at what they do and takes pride in their work, then there's not much to do. And if they take pride in what they do, they're not going to foist it off to any random fuck with no idea what they're doing. Likewise with editors. People who take real pride in their work aren't going to spend a bunch of time on something that is obviously a disaster that needs to be fixed from the ground up. So competence attracts competence and incompetence attracts incompetence.

Same goes for almost any project in almost any field. If the core is solid, then there's not a ton of work to do supporting or fixing it. ISO-9000 Quality Process, bitches.

>>12677755
True that. Most of the projects I see that falter at those stages have shit translators. I played through part of the SakuSaku common route patch, which was translated by a german. They asked people to send in feedback, and I thought I'd be constructive for a change. Two hours later I threw up my hands and gave up, as every third line had shit grammar and the thing was littered with really awkward phrasing. This was supposedly edited, too.

>Downloads for the 'No, Thank You!!!' demo make it the most popular demo version we've released to date. Thank you all! #mg_nty

>>12677765
It's much the same in Japan. Fujoshishit sells well no matter the region, it seems.

>>12677780
A bit too early to judge about sales.

>>12677742
>>12677755
You guys are almost making me feel like an idiot for working on Hoshimemo.

>>12677802
Weren't you kicked off for finding too many errors and trying too much to fix it?

https://twitter.com/MangaGamer/status/530637880977137664
I don't get it.
Game was in top sales for half of day, and yet they got only 4.65kUSD? Even taking steam cut into consideration, at 10 usd price point its only 600 sales on first day.

I really doubt their ability to reach supipara goals.

JAST will never be green again.

>>12677865
They have 3 titles on preorder (release within 1-2 months) now: LWR, Kana and Starless. Even considering their overwhelming incompetency, surely they are going to release at least one of these three. Starless seem like sure bet, there were no technical issues.

>>12677780
Either that or fags just love their yaoi.

>>12677810
Something like that.

Most of it was simple typos and manageable (with a few particularly memorable lines that I wish I saved, like "rectangular sky" or something about the chilly atmosphere at the festival), though I couldn't pick up on mistranslations.

But Insem didn't care for Chinami and thus half-assed her route, so I asked someone else to TLC the first script, "without permission". Then those errors went public and I became the scapegoat.

http://pastebin.com/riMwPRnB

Anyway, it's why you'll see a noticeable decrease in quality in Chinami's and Yume/Mare's route. Those were never edited. Granted, I didn't do a stellar job for the rest of the game either, but it wasn't bad for my first time on such a large project, all things considered.

>>12677852
>Game was in top sales for half of day, and yet they got only 4.65kUSD?
I imagine people who bought it thinking it was an actual game are getting refunds. That's probably only for preorders.

Keep in mind that 4.65k in half a day is a LOT for Mangagamer. Normally they don't make that at all.

>>12677929
> Keep in mind that 4.65k in half a day is a LOT for Mangagamer. Normally they don't make that at all.
Not really. They get 300-500 sales for "big" 45$ stuff on first day, that's at least ~13kUSD.

>>12677852

Isn't that after whatever percentage they're setting aside to cover costs?

>>12677946
That's definitely possible, but then again, they are never going to reach Supipara 3 at this rate. And even Supipara 1 sounds like miracle.

Games on Steam typically have a longer tail than on MG, so you never know.

>>12677952

Supipara 3 is kind of a longshot, but Supipara the first doesn't seem that crazy. They've said that the ef limited edition hardcopies will go towards it too.

If steam allows them to relaunch the game in new releases again, I think they'll hit Supipara 1 pretty easily, and including it's sales, they might be able to hit Supipara 2. I don't see five episodes happening though, and three is kind of a longshot.

That made me snicker. Are they so afraid of drugs that they can't even spell the names without censoring?

Slight spoiler for なつくもゆるる

>>12677952
If they get to Supipara 1 then the goal would be to use sales from that to fund Supipara 2 and so on and so forth.

Assuming Supipara would even sell though. Eden is cool and all but no one asked for Supipara and no one really wants it. It's not popular nor is it a hidden gem. It's more or less your average run-of-the-mill galge.

>>12677986
You've probably intended to post it in >>12661894

>>12677989
Fuck.

>>12677913
Want to edit for me?

I am starting to wonder if Sekai really is worse than JAST. IF they actually release stuff, then what is the problem?

>>12678012
Depends on the length of the VN, but chances are, I don't have the free time for it.

Daitosho guy? Or someone else?

>>12678058
They "release" stuff we already had ages ago.
And for new stuff they either hire retards like Trantez or let JP side do translations themselves, which results in unreadable trash.

>>12678058
That's the thing. They haven't released anything yet that wasn't already translated. Nor do they plan to release anything that wasn't already translated in the immediate (let's say ~6 months) future. They're just begging for money constantly and making various excuses for it. We need an absurd amount for voices. We need an absurd amount for licensing. It's not for us, we're just doing it for some other company. Etc.

>>12678067
>They "release" stuff we already had ages ago.
What is Saya no Uta?
What is Steins;Gate?

>>12678141
Percentages are hard.

>>12678152
What has JAST actually released that wasn't out already? Not what they said they'd release, what they actually released.

>>12678153
Yumina, huge gameplay title, with tons of JAST-made bugfixes for engine and gameplay. No fan tl projects existed before JAST picked it.

https://twitter.com/sekaiproject/status/531577672821129218
Is he for real? Milking 2 x 100000$ projects at once from very small community?

>>12678176
Sekai Project confirmed for suicidal

>>12678158
Everything here but Aselia.
https://vndb.org/p1935

>>12678074
>That's the thing. They haven't released anything yet that wasn't already translated. Nor do they plan to release anything that wasn't already translated in the immediate (let's say ~6 months) future.

Up until recently, this was the exact argument against JAST (with the added fun factor that they caused projects to stop and took patches down never to release them officially). And for good reason:

JAST releases since 2011:

2011-05-13 - Demonbane (had a project near completion)
2011-06-30 - Yukkuri Panic (cheap nukige)
2011-11-04 - Eien no Aselia (already translated)
2011-12-26 - Osananajimi wa Daitouryou (had a project near completion)
2012-06-28 - School Days (had a project near completion)
2012-12-03 - Moero Downhill Night Blaze (cheap nukige)
2013-05-06 - Saya no Uta (already translated)
2013-08-30 - Yumina (legit new game)
2014-03-31 - Steins;Gate (already translated)
2014-07-04 - Harajuku Dating Paradise (cheap nukige)
2014-07-04 - Osadai fandisc (legit new game)

Disregarding cheap nukige, they have released 8 games in four full years. Of those, 3 had already been fully translated and released (in Steins;Gate's case, only the beta version) and 3 were being fan translated and would've been released much earlier if it weren't for JAST's involvement. Only two games were things we wouldn't have gotten without JAST; Yumina, which had been announced ages ago before any fan translation releases (at AX 2010) and was in the pipeline anyways, and a fandisk. JAST does not seem to have any immediate plans for other genuine new titles, only vague promises of titles that may or may not be released in the future (how's that Django coming along, JAST?).

It's fair to hate on Sekai for releasing mainly titles that have already been released, but you shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that because company A is bad, that means competitor B is good. JAST is just as bad as Sekai at not releasing new titles.

>>12678234
> JAST does not seem to have any immediate plans for other genuine new titles
Yes, opening preorders is now not "immediate plans", despite being scheduled to release within month.

>>12678074
Well, if the grisaia games get funded fully, then won't that be games that weren't already translated? the second and third, at least. I doubt they'll take only six months to finish.

Also, they are redoing clannad if tht gets funded too, and I heard Key really has steep as fuck licensing fees.

Nor do we know the actual cost for voices do we? Maybe they really are expensive.

>>12678291
Ok this is dovac. You can tell from the shitty writing style.

>>12678291
>I doubt they'll take only six months to finish.
So you agree that they have nothing in the next six months that hasn't already been released?

I'll assume you were confused and didn't mean to include the "only."

Considering that they're each about half the length of a game that took a year to translate (plus more to edit), if they started today, 6 months to get just one out would be ambitious.

But they're not starting today. They're not starting until after finishing an entirely different game (Gahkthun) plus doing all the replacement sex scenes (taking baths and dressing up if Duel Savior is anything to go by), and probably all the rescripting stuff that will have to be done since they don't have a Doddler doing that shit for them and will probably do something retarded because Dovac is a retard.

>>12678291
If I suddenly become billionaire, I'll hire team of professionals to translate DI and KKK. Now please go worship me.

"IF"s don't count.

>>12678300
Koestl claimed that they can get Rakuen out just a year after the campaign ends.

>>12678275
I got the pre-order for Hanachirasu over a year and a half ago.

So is LWR guaranteed to be out this year, or will it get delayed?

>>12678234
This list is depressing.

>>12678058
Name something Sekai Project has released that isn't one of the following
>an oelvn
>funded by kickstarter
>something we've already had for years

Dovac is starting to learn that simply bringing over popular stuff we've already had doesn't correlate to sales i.e. Planetarian

Same fag in this thread derailing it to bitch about Sekai Project. Nobody wants to hear about or talk about them.

>>12678368
World End Economica episode 1?

>>12678379
You're welcome to start a discussion.

purge my anus

>>12678383
Kickstarted.

>>12678368
Is Planetarian doing badly? I haven't heard anything about it's sales yet.

>>12678398
Episodes 2 and 3 were, not episode 1

>>12678383
It wasn't released by SP. It was released directly by developers.

>>12678349
There are no guarantees in life, but unlike Hanachirasu and other delayed games, LWR is actually legit finished with nothing in the way of release. A release this year genuinely seems likely.

>>12676121
Yeah, but the people shitposting about "EOPs" are especially overzealous this week, and usually the thread is smart enough to ignore them and focus their bickering on something less stupid.

>>12678383
That was MangaGamer, retard.

>>12678480
No, MG acted only as one of stores.
Spicy Tails hired that imopara translator directly, and then released game on dlsite themselves before it was released on MGs site.

>Kud Wafter: Almost no Progress
I miss when this project used to move along well.

>Little Busters EX: almost finishedtranslation
It was about time. Maybe just another year...

>Muv Luv: AF hasn't progressed, TDA01 is half done
Can't deal with this. Nope.

>Oreimo PSP: Almost done
Yes, this is great.

>Rance Quest: Ongoing
Long way to go, but at least it's being worked on finally.

>Yosuga no Sora: Mostly done.
Perhaps another two years....

>>12678499
> TDA01 is half done
What? It was released ages ago.

>>12678503
TDA00 was ages ago.

>>12678506
Oh, right, that silly numbering.

>>12678511
Being a Muv Luv EOP fan is absolutely despairing. I wonder how many years it'd take to translate everything available.

>>12678517
It's not like anything after Alternative is really worth the trouble.

>>12678572
AF was fun while playing the partial patches(back when you had to do the hookup butterfly thing). TDA00 was great as well.

I'd get into the TSFIAs too, but I am not a mechaphile. I am in it for the suffering, pointy-haired waifus, and the plot.

Did the photoflowers games get released already? Anybody played it?

Do you guys remember that faggot going on with his crusade against Satoko sprite?
Well, he made a thread on Steam some days ago - http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3265915

I find it quite ironic that he posted on animesuki forums a page from a manga featuring Higurashi characters on their swimsuits. Surely, they are being sexualized as well.

一群傻逼

What does this say?

>>12679175
It says "Chinese and Japanese are different languages, retard".

>>12679186
I know it's Chinese. For all the bragging you people do, you sure are incompetent.

>>12679175
"A bunch of retards".

>>12676044
I enjoy the animu adaptation. After shit like KnS, shit luv and cross channel scared me away from "deep" vn storytelling, moege and nukige are the only things I'm still willing to read.

>>12679134
After reading that, I am amazed at how much he wants to demonize magagamer by using that one quote and stating that all the employees want the child sprite like they all get off to it, or that is exactly how they all wanted it to look.

>>12679273
That's hilarious if you think those are examples of deep VNs.

>>12679285
I used quote marks for a reason, not that I care what is considered deep (only untranslated stuff allowed, am I right?).

>>12679175
It says Praise Dovac

>>12679290
I mean, there is plenty of translated stuff that actually applies, but it's silly that you sarcastically used those examples when there are REAL deep VNs you could have been reading.

Sakura Spirit seems pretty good actually. Sexy game with no stupid shit like porn or whatnot. I see why it did so well.

>>12679305
Like?

>>12679340
>Sexy game with no stupid shit like porn or whatnot.
What the fuck is wrong with you, faggot?
>>12679305
More like some anime porn games being called "REAL deep" is what I'm sarcastic about.

>>12678275
>Yes, opening preorders is now not "immediate plans", despite being scheduled to release within month.
If you're referring to Littlewitch Romanesque, Aroduc was planning to translate it until he got C&Ded by Tenco and JAST picked it up. But no, opening pre-orders does not automatically mean immediate plans for JAST, they've opened pre-orders for games they weren't going to release for ages before.

>>12679134
Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? He's been spending months trying to find any conceivable way to try to get people up in arms on the issue, but the whole thing is beyond stupid and no one will ever listen to him.

>>12679578
Considering how he even had to bring on animesuki forums that he was mentioned in this thread it's quite evident that he lurks these threads just to see himself being mentioned. Man, I don't even remember the last time I legitimaly witnessed someone craving for attention so much.

>>12679578
Clannad Kickstarter is up.

>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/clannad-official-english-release

>>12679796
(Didn't mean to reply)

>>12679801
*sigh* click the square next to your post, go down and press delete at the bottom. Try again.

>>12679796
Only pledged for a physical copy, the OST, tapestry and mini shikishi personally.

Gonna throw most of my money at Grisaia instead.

It is pretty mind bogglingly retarded how they plan to run the Clannad and Grisaia kickstarters simultaneously. Isn't that very obviously a bad idea?

>>12679994
It's not really a "Sekai Project" decision, is the thing. The Japanese companies are calling the shots on timing.

>>12679994
Different people doing the translations.

They're doing Grisaia now to ride the anime wave as well I'm guessing.

>>12680001
That's unfortunate. I'm sure it will work out anyways because how large both fanbases are, but I can't help but think that the two projects will be cannibalizing each other.

>>12680001
That's another in the endless stream of SP excuses. "We totally have to guys. It's not up to us at all. It's part of our unique business relationship."

>>12680128
I believe them this time. Kickstarting both at the same time kinda hurts Sekai Project's more than help them

Also wow, they're nearing 60k in three hours.

>>12680246
How? Look at the figures in kickstarter. There are plenty of people throwing money at shit just because it's popular.

>>12680246
People are willing to pay $1k for a game? I'm more amazed there are so many rich weebs.

>>12680260
This is pretty basic business shit. There are plenty of people throwing money at them now, but there is actually a limited amount of money in the well. Doing the projects a few months apart would have meant much more money overall for Sekai Project and it doesn't take a genius to figure this out. If they are doing it this way, it's pretty likely they were forced to, because it doesn't benefit them at all.

>>12680268
All of their kickstarters have reached their goals (thought not necessarily their stretch goals) so at this point they don't give a shit.

>>12680268
>but there is actually a limited amount of money in the well
Not that it matters when the well is fucking huge.

>>12680260
I mean there will be some people that can only back 1 of the 2 projects where as they might have been able to back both if they were not at the same time.

Hopefully they choose Grisaia because it looks like Clannad isn't going to need any help making it's goal. I severely underestimated Key fans.

>>12680276
>Not backing everything
What casuals

>>12680272
So I don't get it, are they money grubbers who will stop at nothing to scam as much money out of us as possible, or do they just not give a shit as long as they reach their goal? I'm pretty sure at the very least, they would have liked more money.
>>12680274
Huge is not the same as infinite, and their goals are pretty huge. how many people pledging $1000 are going to pledge huge amounts for Grisaia? Maybe some, but not all.

>>12680283
The people pledging $1000 are exactly the people who are going to pledge huge amounts for Grisaia.

Is there anything preventing one to pledge huge sum and then cancel pledge in last minute?

I don't really feel like making an account. Can someone ask them if there will be a Japanese text option?

>>12680293
Not unless they changed it. That's how people trolled kickstarters.

>>12680296
Probably not, most Japanese publishers really do not want their home market to get in on the action.

>>12680304
>Probably not, most Japanese publishers really do not want their home market to get in on the action.
Yeah, but in this case the English version will be the exact same price as the Japanese version, plus there's no uncensored HCGs to worry about. The only difference is that the English version won't have retarded region locks.

It's a long shot, I know, but they've done it before.

What's wrong with having a project kickstarted to get a game translated? I really don't see what the issue with that is. It's not like if you kickstart the project for 30 dollars, u have to pay another 30 dollars to get the game in the end.

Are people complaining because they don't want to have to pay anything to get the game? How many people actually bought Cartagra for instance? Most people probably torrented it.

Also, even if they are making a good amount of money out of this, what's wrong with that? They are a business afterall. Everyone hates walmart and what they represent, but do people boycott them?

Seems like some of you guys just want free shit.

>>12680401
>Seems like some of you guys just want free shit.
I don't need CLANNAD even for free.
>What's wrong with having a project kickstarted to get a game translated?
From KS:
"40% goes to translation and editing costs"
And that's with dovac's cut and inflated rates.

Nothing is wrong with asquiring funds for translations, but dovac is abusing the system and scamming people. You could get 4 games translated with same money.
Moreover, more he abuses vn market, more tired they will be of further KSes, ruining chances for something actually good to get funded when it appears.

>>>/vg/85993232

I'd like to trust Kirby for once.

>>12679957
This, I like having the physical copy. I'm also a lot more excited for Grisaia.

Didn't Sekai Project say they re-TL'd it? I'd say it's worth giving them money and not giving them a ton of shit if their translation is better.

http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/2lvuh4/clannad_kickstarter_is_up/clyr51i
[–]toxicrandom 4 points an hour ago
I need to know what my money is going into.. is doki involved in this project or not??

[–]dovacSekai Project 5 points an hour ago
We're still evaluating how to utilize the resources they're willing to provide to us.

I'm laughing so hard right now. "Full retranslation", my ass. "Industry veterans", my ass.

>>12680457
> Didn't Sekai Project say they re-TL'd it?
Grisaia? No. Why would koestl (who is in charge of Grisaia at SP) retranslate his own work?

>>12680431
You understand that translation is NOT the only cost involved in localizing a game, right?

You can try always try paying people to translate games without LICENSING them, but that's a really good way to get your ass sued. Especially if the project is high-profile.

Why am I even bothering to respond to this?

>>12680457
Yeah, I gave them some shit about the Clannad Fan TL myself, but they ended up hiring a pro to work on it.

>>12680503
>Why am I even bothering to respond to this?
Because you're a shitposter?

Geez, that Clannad kickstarter is raking in the cash. I hope Grisaia gets at least a faction of that support.

>>12679134
>Here’s why this response has caused backlash
>both of which have been met with controversy

I love the intentionally vague references to a few retards on tumblr getting mad in order to present the issue as a widespread controversy or something. One unfortunate aspect of the internet is that it's prone to these kinds of manufactured controversies and astroturfing in general.

>>12680496
Every fucking time. Why the hell does anyone still trust Sekai Project?

lmao if you think they're actually going to touch the turd Doki dropped when they have a real translator ready to go on it.

>>12680496
jewvac...

>>12680431
Translator cost 40k USD ?

>>12680562
I don't know what the standard industry rates are, and they may even be paying a bit of a premium to the translator to build good faith (new companies often do this), but admittedly clannad is a long fucking game.

No OST? How poor is fucking Sekai Project?

>>12680572
From what Dovac has said, they don't actually allow access to kickstarter funds for other projects until the kickstarted projects are actually released. Basically, those funds are reserved for the kickstarted projects only. And Sekai Project is still a poor startup since they've yet to actually earn much money from game sales.

>>12680562
40% of $140k is $56k. That's around 4 cents per character, which is then split between the translator, editor(s), and whoever else is involved with the translation.

>>12680610
I thought Dovac said translators get 10 cents a character.

>>12680614
Maybe actual pro translators, but otaku shit pays basically slave wages from everything I've heard.

Anyway, I'm just going off of the numbers on the KS page. They say Clannad has "over 1.35 million Japanese characters", which is roughly in line with the script size listed on TLWiki.

>>12679796
>$86,000
Jesus christ Dovac.

>>12680623
I'm just amused he's not paying them what he said he was.

>>12680672
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. No, he never said that. He said professional rates are 10 cents/character.

>>12680693
And is he not getting "professional" translators for Clannad?

>We at Sekai Project have decided to use Kickstarter because the cost of not only providing a professional, top-quality translation for 50+ hours of gameplay

Sekai Project

- $86,000 in six hours

Mangagamer

- Catagra barely breaking even

Why is this allowed when Mangagamer is obviously the superior company?

>>12680710
Because you're comparing Clannad to Cartagra.

>>12680710
I think with KS, there is feeling that if you don't help pay for the game upfront, it will never be released (basically the housewife at a market sale mentality). Whereas with a release from a regular company, you can wait awhile. Pity that the VN readers would rather help SP than MG.

>>12680710
Psh. Cartagra doesn't even have an anime.

>>12680710
Because MG is using dumb method of "pay after release".
To force this "market" to pay for their games, you have to have "pay in advance, or no game released" stance.

>>12680693
10 cents/char is what he used as excuse for inflated WEE costs.

>>12680731
Er, wait, apparently it does?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11471
That's... interesting. Well, I guess if Tsui no Sora can have an anime, Cartagra can too!

>>12680733
That's what MG gets for caring about their customers. What a bunch of faggots.

>>12680733
So professionalism kills the company?

Goddamn I fucking hate the weeaboos in the visual novel market.

>>12680710
kouryuu pls go

>>12680733
It's sad to say, but that is indeed the dumb method. With these type of games, which are niche compared to "real" games on consoles and pc, it would seem really hopeless to be able to make a net profit considering how easy it is to pirate the game. And, if you are part of the crowd that play visual novels to begin with, you'll most definitely know how to torrent and google shit up.
With Kickstarter, at least you are guaranteed some sort of profit even if someone eventually does upload the game onto nyaatorrents. This is much smarter to do.

>>12680431
How is that scamming people. That's what businesses do, provide a service or product and get money in return. Like, wtf do you expect him to do?

And, what are these other Kickstarter VN projects you talk of? Hypotheticals don't mean shit. These guys are one of the first to offer actual VNs that people are interested in to be translated to english.

If there were other kickstarter projects that people would like, they would get the funding as well, especially if they do it at a lower cost than the "scamming dovac."

>>12680746
There are some variables involved in this but if you take MG as an example, they need some serious work. Very recently, Doddler made a series of tweets and got some feedback regarding what can be done to improve MG connection to their customers. Check out his twitter.

Unfortunately, it seems that MG higher ups didn't really like this (see pic). What's more is that they don't give the impression of caring much for their website (the website design was mentioned several times on twitter). Releasing high-profile titles won't miraculously make people like the image the company gives through their website so MG can safely consider that their current design is making them to lose money.

Is revamping a website so expensive?

>>12680858
> Doddler made a series of tweets and got some feedback regarding what can be done to improve MG connection to their customers
Twitter discussion is serious business, I wonder why everyone keeps their obsolete marketing departments instead just implementing whatever random twittertard said.

>>12680868
Do you even know who Doddler is? If you don't, why are you even in this thread?

>>12680875
Yes, I know. He is paid to localize or port games.
He is not MG employee.
He is not in charge of marketing, sales or PR.
He is not expert on said subjects.

>>12680858
>Releasing high-profile titles won't miraculously make people like the image the company gives through their website

But does it really matter what people think about the company? If it is a game someone is interested in then they will buy it. I don't know I disagree with Doddler. I think just by picking up some bigger name titles MG's reputation would sky rocket, but they repeatedly just pick up generic nukige #34564.

>>12680902
Gahkthun: The Most Generic Nukige Ever.

>>12680858
The MG website feels like it's at least 15 years old

I don't see how anyone can defend that garbage website

>>12680902
If someone has to go to MangaGamer's website to buy a product, then what someone thinks about their site has a really huge factor on whether they end up buying the game or not. If it's all-ages and they put it on Steam, then I think their image doesn't matter much to the general public, but it does matter to the press who they want to cover their games. All of their eroge is sold only through their site, so if it's a serious, non-nukige eroge, then someone might even second guess the nature of the game when they have to wade through a ton of tentacle rape to get to it. And if they don't, they might get too weirded out to proceed anyways.

>>12680924
No that is a good point. So what would they do? Create another sub section of their site devoted to just some of the more porn focused VNs?

>>12680902
With the current sales and support that Cartagra had from the community, they will surely rush to get bigger and better titles.

>>12680923
Well, its more about it giving very amateurish impression.
Also, its very hard to navigate, and their adult section solution is utterly retarded. I've heard tons of times when people tried to find 18+ versions of Dengeki or eden, but couldn't (yes, people are dumb, and sites should be designed around them).

>>12680926
Wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe three sections instead of two, all-ages, adult, and nukige. Having any adult content on their site at all scares away the press when they're trying to market an all-ages game, though, so I also think they should just spin off their all-ages stuff to an entirely new brand.

>>12680939
The problem is what happens when a game has two versions like Cho? Which brand does it go under?

>>12680721
This for sure, we're talking about a behemoth title with Clannad, it's going to do extremely well.

>>12680926
They need to overhaul the site to make it more visually appealing and functionally streamlined, the site looks like it's a few looping gifs away from being coded in 1999. People aren't going to want to buy from a website if they look at it and feel like it's unprofessional or sketchy, that's just basic consumer psychology.

Unfortunately the nips who run the business don't seem to give a shit. Maybe it's a japanese cultural thing, they seem pretty poor at assessing overseas market demand and needs.

I'll never forget when I saw goodsmile come to NYCC in 2010 for the first time (yes, con shit, I know). I was chatting with the good smile rep and he told we with great surprise that he was shocked to see that Americans liked their goods. I was appalled at the lack of business intelligence there; how the fuck do you not research who's buying your goods? There have been sites importing anime goods for years. If an American product has a niche in fucking Bangladesh they'd know about it.

>50$ for a physical copy
>Ships worldwide
I'm curious about this: Does Kickstarter/Sekai Project cover the shipping fee, or I'll have to pay it myself once the game gets released?

I live in Chile, so thay may become a problem.

>>12680858
>Releasing high-profile titles won't miraculously make people like the image the company gives through their website so MG can safely consider that their current design is making them to lose money.

And yet Sekai Project kickstarting (not even releasing) a couple high-profile titles has garnered them a lot of support despite how terrible of a company they are at even just a cursory glance.

>>12680998
They're probably paying. Usually, they would say on the KS itself if you have to pay extra for shipping. But to make sure, ask them yourself.

>>12681011
I think that's also due to SP being a more all-ages company so they are able to get press easier.

>>12680927
Cartagra isn't a big title. Maybe on /jp/ (and even then it's more a matter of scarcity) but not elsewhere. It's not surprising it isn't doing well.

>>12681012
Well, it does say:
>50% goes to voice costs as well as physical goods production and shipping.
>and shipping
So I guess they're covering it.

Gonna ask anyway, though. You can never be too sure.

>>12681023
Perhaps not big, but it does show that they are taking chances on bringing over more storybased titles.

>>12680724
Jast sold 6000 copies of the limited edition of Steins;Gate very shortly after launch (and probably could have done better if they had printed more, though who knows how the regular release is doing). Success isn't limited to just Kickstarter.

>>12681023

And it's not advertised and it's DL only and it's related to another title that they player should have read first....

They really don't think these things through.

>>12681165
Cartagra is the first in the series, though. It's actually the perfect entry-point.

>>12681176

It still baffles me that they can't (or are unwilling to) figure out a solution for selling box copies for a primarily boxed-game market, like it is in Japan.

Sure, they -get- DL-only sales because some people just really want the game that badly, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a sizable portion of people what would only buy a box, and an even larger group that would prefer a physical copy to a digital one.

>>12681220
I'd buy a reasonably priced copy of Muv Luv/Muv Luv Alternative.
And by Reasonable I mean under 80$

>>12681220
>>12681176
The reason why boxes are so popular in Japan even with the same old sales model and can sustain the market, is because of the physical tokuten.
Yet the Western endeavors have nothing of worth to give with their renditions since they fear that Japanese will get jealous of it.
I know I'd buy western copies of eroge if I could get tokuten like in Japan, but for now if I want to get something I just import.

>>12681220
MG is poor. They don't have money to make a boxed version for every game. I think they should do a hybrid way. Have a preorder box versions and if they have enough orders, then they can actual ship that out. Maybe have a progress bar. People love that shit.

>>12681163
That's due to the anime though. If it came out before the anime, I'm not sure, it would have had the same success.

>>12681262
And if they don't get enough orders, they have to refund everyone? They'd lose money doing that. Or they don't take money until they have all the orders? At that point, they may as well use this thread's favorite service, Kickstarter. It's a problem that doesn't have an easy answer. I think for big name games they should try for simultaneous physical and digital releases but they honestly don't have any. Gahkthun is their most promising title right now and that's still niche as hell. It's easy to point to Steins;Gate as an example of a successful simultaneous launch but none of MG's stuff has even half as much name recognition.

I am honestly a little surprised at how well the physical copies are selling for Clannad. I haven't been around this scene very long and came from places where digital download services were worshipped and everyone already swore off physical media.

Someone could make a visual novel out of company drama.

Mangagamer: The young protagonist. A pervert with a heart of gold. Always down on his luck but somehow manages to pull through at the end of the day.

JAST: Mangagamer's elderly companion. Has an impressive reputation amongst the commonfolk but is rarely around anymore. There's always a rumour he's doing something big in the background away from public eyes but no one is quite sure what. Another rumour is that he's dead.

Sekai Project: The main antagonist. Wants to corrupt the world of visual novels with kickstarter and censorship through the doomsday device known as Steam. Has a traumatic backstory and ultimately believes he is doing good.

Moenovel: Sekai Project's sadistic subordinate and right hand man. Legitimately evil. Will probably backstab Sekai Project in the third act and become the true antagonist.

>>12679134

If I remember, he was told in that mangagamer thread to post a thread on the game's steam community when it comes out, so he probably took that advice. Unfortunately, he's too retarded to be able to understand the difference between that and steam's forums proper.

And he wonders why mangagamer won't take him seriously.

>>12680943

Did anyone even buy all ages dengeki stryker off their site? Maybe they should just drop all ages versions (aside from steam releases) and just split the site into something like mangagamer/erogamer. Have the big story-driven stuff on the mangagamer side and everything else on the erogamer side. For stuff that's all ages in the first place, it can just be on the mangagamer side normally while the story-driven stuff with a couple H-scenes can have a big old "MAY CONTAIN MATURE CONTENT" disclaimer.

I don't see the point in even having an all-ages side of the site given how little sales so much of that stuff makes.

>>12681295

Only if it's an eroge. With rape. For maximum irony.

>>12681295

Who will the cure girls be? Gender swapped translators?

>>12681288
Well, with Kickstarter they have to give a percentage. While not charging before shipping costs them nothing.

>>12681288
>Gahkthun is their most promising title right now and that's still niche as hell.
By Gahkthun, clearly I meant Da Capo 3. But even that has a fraction of the mass appeal and name recognition of S;G. They should definitely consider a simultaneous physical and digital release of DC3, though.

It's easy to forget about DC3 when there's no progress for weeks at a time and a 2016 release looks improbable.

>>12681308
Yes.

Everyone will lament that there is no Doddler route.

>>12681324
>no Doddler route.

fukken dropped

>>12681337
We wanted to do it but we just ran out of time.

>>12675253
The engine it was on was so ass-backwards that the fan patch just straight up ported it to Saya's engine. That might be a factor.

Or maybe they want to release the remake with Tamura Yukari Ruili and PG-13 sex scenes so they can market the shit out of it through the "by the writer of Madoka Magica" angle without getting held back by 18+ restrictions like with Saya.

>>12681342
If only they would do that with Demonbane as well. The console version was so much better than the PC one, and the EOPs will never see it.

>>12681324
What about a Maria route? Will she get butt touched by a dude named Lance?

>>12681288
>It's a problem that doesn't have an easy answer.
But you just mentioned the easy answer: Kickstarter.

>>12681365
Yes and yes.

But she's a trap.

>>12681295
>>12681324
>>12681337

Doddler'll probably get an H-scene where he's raped by Sekai project for the edge

>>12681407
>>12681288
>>12681262

The problem with hardcopies is not the cost(it's not really that expensive even for small orders), but that the cost scales to the size of the order, and that (very probably) mangagamer has to pay their packing company to keep unsold merchandise on hand. If mangagamer could accurately predict exactly how well every single title would sell hardcopy-wise, they very likely could make hardcopies for everything.

They could make a hardcopy-preorder kind of deal as they currently do it, with a month long window and charged automatically and use that as their number, but they'd probably get people bitching after the games out because they didn't preorder.

>>12681163
Steins;Gate already had huge name recognition though.

>>12681360
Do you mean for Kishin Hokou or Zanma Taisei?

>>12681295
>>12681308
>>12681324
>tfw Doddler is a bitch heroine getting fucked by all three.
>tfw koestl gets DPed by MG and SP
This sounds like a terrible idea. Let's do it!

>>12681220
I would buy Cartagra if it had a box. I don't want to pay just data that I can easily get online without something that I can actually put on my shelf and admire. I've imported games that I enjoyed playing from Japan just to look at the boxes, I wish MG would have done a physical release for Cartagra since I enjoyed the game and I wouldn't mind owning a box for it.

>>12681465
Oh, that scene when they finally fall and accept pleasure, and then do cutely hold hands of each other while DPed.

And herkz would be ex-boyfriend, who is forced to watch it.

>>12681452
Kishin Hishou didn't even have a console port, so obviously I meant Zanmataisei. The h-scenes that were removed were terrible, and the new content was pretty good, the voices were great.

Holy shit. At this rate CLANNAD is going to fully funded in two days.

>>12681485
I am retarded and cannot read.

>>12681499

It'll probably earn them millions.

>>12681511
That actually might be a possibility since the KS is for 60 days.

>>12681288
>It's easy to point to Steins;Gate as an example of a successful simultaneous launch but none of MG's stuff has even half as much name recognition.
You mean titles like Higurashi? Or something more like Shuffle? Or else maybe ef? Yeah, MangaGamer should definitely get titles with a big anime following, I have no idea why they never got such titles. They'd clearly sell really well on their own regardless of MangaGamer's incompetence.

>>12681548
Yeah, I mean stuff like those, which aren't nearly as popular as Steins;Gate. I never hear anyone talk about those shows outside of the context of the VNs they're adapted from. The point was, MG can't just print up a shitload of copies and expect them all to sell like JAST could with S;G.

>>12681567
When They Cry is actually surprisingly popular with manga/anime-only peasants. Landwhales even.

>>12681511
I wouldn't doubt it reaching a million dollars, especially with the rush during the final days of the campaign.

>>12681583
>>12681567
The problem is just the communities you're familiar with. Steins;Gate is far more popular among the hardcore anime crowd that checks the anime charts every season and follows them as they air, but Higurashi is more popular among the crowd that just watches random anime they heard was good regardless of when it aired.

To compare their popularity, here's how many votes the series have on three sites.

ANN database:
Steins;Gate - 3748
Higurashi - 4414
Shuffle - 3087
ef - 2356

MyAnimeList:
Steins;Gate - 178,894
Higurashi - 125,305
Shuffle - 63,114
ef - 54,447

aniDB:
Steins;Gate - 5447
Higurashi - 7077
Shuffle! - 5069
ef - 2284

The only place Steins;Gate is more popular is MyAnimeList, which is mainly visited by people who watch a lot of anime as it airs. Steins;Gate being more recent gets it more votes as more users were using the site when it aired (whereas the others have to do with mostly people watching series in their backlog).

>>12681567
>>12681700
By the way. While we're comparing vote numbers...Shuffle has almost as many votes on VNDB (2009) as Steins;Gate (2099). I think the fact that Steins;Gate sold tons while Shuffle doesn't says a lot. There's a step between having interested consumers and consumers buying the product, and MangaGamer is failing that step in every way; buying stuff from their site is a hassle, and it wouldn't surprise me if their titles were more easily discoverable through piracy sites than through their own efforts. JAST, on the other hand? Just see the picture. I'm pretty sure THIS is why Steins;Gate sold well while MangaGamer's titles fail.

>>12681700
Sorry, used the wrong count for ef in the aniDB comparison. The correct number is 4281.

>>12681721
Mangagamer has a terrible image in general. "Mangagamer: Your onestop moe download store"? Are you fucking joking? Their website is terrible to navigate and makes my eyes bleed, their mascot is disgusting and screams "we sell anime porn! xD"

JAST might just put up a generic as fuck site with some 18+ stickers, but it has some sense of "dignity". They market to autistic weebs and they do it well. That, and they also have J-List backing them.

And SP?
They're "hip" as fuck. They "engage with their customers" on a totally different level.
>Back our Kickstarter! We can't do it without you guys!
>We're a new up-and-coming startup. Expect "huge changes in the industry"!
>We're gathering feedback for our Kickstarter before we launch it!
>Send us your feedback about what you'd like to see translated! We totally read all that!
>Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter
>dovac posts all the time on Reddit
>generic sky background implies "purity" or some shit.

>>12681700
As you said Steins;Gate is a lot more recent. The popularity of Shuffle and ef is long gone. Higurashi has more staying power and yes MG has botched how they've handled it. If they don't fuck up the Stream rerelease it has potential.

>>12681751
I suppose one more post wouldn't hurt but whore your quoting?

>>12681756
Can you explain the Clannad popularity? The VN and anime is old as hell.

>>12681768
ur mom

>>12681772
DAE cry??


Yeah, that's it.

>>12681751
>dovac posts all the time on Reddit

I bet he downvotes the people who asks him, "Yet ANOTHER Kickstarter?"

>>12681772
Because Clannad is a lot more mainstream and one of the few anime people who "hate anime" will watch, like Ghibli films.

Also "muh feels" Utsuge and Nakige are generally a lot more popular because of the emotional impact on people and the crying they do.

>>12681772
Like Higurashi it's one of those series with longlasting popularity. Probably even more so than Higurashi.

Welp.

>>12682004
Just out of interest how did Sekai Project get a deal with Key over MG or JAST, I mean I'd assume they would have been one of the first companies both of them contacted and probably repeatedly inquired. I mean what's next are we going to see a KimiNozo Kickstarter?

>>12682034
Sekai Project had connections to Baba

>>12682034
I'm guessing someone knew a guy who knew a guy.

>>12682034
Didn't Hirameki once get a price quote of one million dollars for Kanon?

>>12682037
>>12682039
I just never considered connections alone would get you that far, especially considering the connects bamboo would have had when he was still with MG. I suppose it's a lot easier to entice people with a Kickstarter business model because there's no upfront money required before sales. As much as I hate Sekai Project for using Kickstarter like they are it works perfectly for this industry because it forces people to pay if they want to see it translated instead of just giving them the option of pirating it after release.

Is Sekai the Fakku of VNs?
How long do you think it will take until they start releasing games with English dub only to save licensing money?

>>12682049
Problem is, only really works for popular shit that has already been translated before and already has a huge fanbase

>>12682004
>$40 for a 10 year old vn

>>12682060
It still costs more to import a new copy of ME.

>>12682063
I'm talking about the digital version, an actual copy will cost you $50

>>12682056
That's true but I can see Kickstarters for stuff still bringing in more money than a normal release. People just don't want to pay $40-$60 for a VN unless they're being forced to for the translation. There's a reason only Go Go Nippon and Sakura Spirit have done great on Steam and not Chou Dengeki Stryker, even if it did generate a good few extra sales.

>>12682063
This isn't the ME version.

>>12682071
You're right. This is the EOP-friendly version.

FV and ME are identical.

>>12679378
This attitude is exactly why the good games get overlooked. Though, thankfully I only see idiots like you on /jp/ and elsewhere people actually read visual novels because they're good and not because they're looking for an excuse to jack off.

>>12681499
>in two days
Heh.

>>12682133
>Sakura Spirit
>good
Keep yapping, clown
>elsewhere people actually read visual novels because they're good and not because they're looking for an excuse to jack off.
In case you didn't notice, porn always outsells your pretentious storryfagging games.

>>12679175
Here you go.

>>12681721
>buying stuff from their site is a hassle
Apparently you never bought anything from them.
Everything is automated and instant, while JAST takes more than day to process payment and send you download link.
They accept any kind of card and are very lenient on security. I've used anonymous cards issued by shady banks which usually not work with proper merchants and never had failed transactions.

>>12682366
He probably just went to their site, saw the mess that it is and assumed the whole payment and getting your product process would be equally awful. But yeah buying from MG is as easy as it gets.

>>12682366
>>12682369
Arbitrarily rejected my CC when I tried.

It worked when I tried another one, but I still found it weird.

>>12682372
You should send them an e-mail or something, if it is on their end I'm sure they want to get it fixed.

Valkyria Chronicles PC is out, for those of you who were looking forward to that.

>>12682175
Yet the games with stories are the ones that get translated more often, so it's clear which one is the victor here. You lose! Good day, sir.

>>12682383
>You lose! Good day, sir.
>>>/reddit/

>>12682386
That's a 4chan meme. That you thought it was from Reddit speaks volumes about where you come from. Epic fail on your part.

>>12682389
>Epic fail
>>>/2008/

>>12682389
>Epic fail on your part.
you're not even trying to hide it anymore anon

>>12682389
>Epic fail
Anon...

>>12682389
>Epic fail

>>12682391
>>12682392
>>12682394
>>12682396

Wow, a lot of buttmad people sure got told! Here's what you guys look like right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

I love /jp/ funposting

>>12682402
>[YouTube] Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (embed)

Jesus... Wonder what the long-lasting impact of this will be. At least Clannad being officially licensed undoubtedly won't bring in any new people into the scene.

Let's talk about White Album 2

The highest ranked VN on EGS and Baka Tsuki is making an utter and complete mess of it. Not only is their currently existing translation outright awful, they haven't made any progress on editing it since July. It's becoming increasingly obvious this project will never be completed even despite it's abhorrant quality. Why haven't they dropped it so someone else can pick it up? Short of an official release, I can't see this project being saved.

>>12682175
All jokes aside, Sakura Spirit is a game with story and no porn and it's the best selling game on Steam. Get intellectually checkmated.

>>12682540
>game with story
Nope.
There's no story.
>best selling game on Steam
Nope.
Its best selling VN on Steam. Compared to actual games, it did very bad.

>>12682544
You cannot deny that it does in fact have a story, lacks porn, and made Sekai Project millions of dollars.

>>12682545
>does in fact have a story
Nope.
>made Sekai Project millions of dollars
Nope. SP's profit from SS doesn't exceed 10000 USD.

>>12682552

Elsewhere on the internet, this is what people think of SP.

>>12682372

It's probably your bank flagging the payment, not MG.

jewac made 345k on kickstarter this year how much more is he going to scam out of people? Is there a way to report him to the police??? why are people so stupid?

>>12682366
I have. But I'm talking from the perspective of new customers, not people familiar with MG.

- It's hard to find stuff on their site if you're not familiar with it. Let's say I want to buy Shuffle. I go to MG's site, and look around because it's nowhere to be found. Can't find it through Search either. Eventually, I try the adults section. (Just kidding, most people have already given up at this point.) (Optimal scenario: 1 click.) Am I 18? (2 clicks.) After some looking around, I find the 'Games' button. The page doesn't change, weird. (I was already on the games page with no little indication of it.) Shuffle! is all the way on page 8. (4 clicks even if you're familiar with MG.) At this point, I can finally add to cart (5 clicks, best case situation; likely far more.) For comparison, Littlewitch Romanesque is currently pre-ordered from J-List in two clicks (from site entry to having it in the digital shopping cart).

- MangaGamer requires you to create an account to buy things from them. Though I personally don't mind, most users find creating accounts to be a hassle and it causes webshops to lose sales (hence the option to 'check out as guest' on many webshops including J-List).

- MangaGamer accepts only credit cards. Though I haven't had any issues with my credit card at MG (apparently many do), the very fact that it requires a credit card is a huge hassle. I got my credit card SPECIFICALLY to buy MangaGamer stuff back in 2009. There are tons of countries where people don't have credit cards by default.

- Even post-purchase, MangaGamer DRM is (or was? Haven't bought from them in a while) horrible. I've had a PC where every single MG game refused to run until I cracked them. Why? Because the DRM didn't support WinXP 64-bit, and therefore blocked the game by default. If there was healthy competition at the time, that definitely would've made me switch. (Also note that the very idea of DRM turns many people away from products.)

>>12682995
Anon, it may be a shock for you, but save for power abuse (I guess it does work for American police towards minorities), police can't arrest someone unless they're breaking the law. Doing immoral things or, worse, things that displease you personally are not grounds for arrest, let alone a conviction.

Nekopara picked up by Sekai Project (to the surprise of no one with how often Dovac has retweeted their stuff). They are putting an all ages version on Steam (though it looks like they have to go through greenlight), but an 18+ English version will be available as a download (although not sure if through Sekai Project or the Japanese dlsite).

Is the VN community EVER going to get Kickstarter fatigue? Well, whatever works for them, I guess.

>>12683052
They clarified that the 18+ version is not being sold though them, just the Japanese uncut version has English and is available as a download release.

>>12683052
>but will the adult version come with your english translation? or is japanese only??
>yes, but we're not selling the 18+ version, they are so it is under Japanese law to have it censored.

https://twitter.com/sekaiproject/status/532250349885607936

>>12683052
Kickstarter when

>>12683052
>Nekopara
Is this supposed to be a big title or something?

>>12683077
That was in a response about it being like EF, it will have mosaics since the Japanese company is selling it.

>>12683052
So why do they need to go through greenlight? Is Steam mad at them or just doesn't believe it will actually sell?

>>12683080
It's a doujin game a bunch of people are looking forward to since Sayori is doing the art and it has E-mote. Why anybody would buy the all-ages version is a mystery to me, though.

>>12683091
For them greenlight means nothing since whatever games they put up has been greenlit. It's just an easy way for them to have the VN on Steam.

>>12683107
Yes, but they haven't been made to go through Greenlight recently, Steam has allowed them to just directly publish. It's a change that Steam is forcing this through Greenlight.

>>12683097
I'm the kind of guy who skips H-scenes and likes all-ages versions and even I'm wondering why the all-ages version would be any interesting. I've seen porn with these characters before and it was quite hot, but I have no reason to be interested in an all-ages version.

>>12683126
Probably not, moe VNs tend to be pretty dull to read.

>>12683116
I think it's because it wasn't kickstarted. If you have a successful kickstarter campaign that you can link to valve they will let you skip greenlight.

>>12683156
Planetarian and MangaGamer stuff after Higurashi did not go through Kickstarter.

Piratefags getting BTFO
What are you going to do now that you'll have to purchase your games instead of just getting free?
Reminder that you still can't find a version World End Economica episode 1 available anywhere and you never will for the other episodes either.
>but there is a WEE torrent on nyaa
that's the pre edit and typo fix version, and it uses a shitty engine as well, it's literally unreadable

Based Sekai
Pirates BTFO

>>12683162
>Reminder that you still can't find a version World End Economica episode 1 available anywhere and you never will for the other episodes either.

This is really more a sign that no one gives a fuck than anything.

>>12683164
sure thing piratefag, your reign is over

>>12683162
When entering /jp/, please leave your crossboarder terms at the doorstep instead of brining them into the board with you. Thank you for your understanding!

>>12683162
Everyone who reads VNs is a piratefag.

>>12683162
What is stopping someone who bought a copy sharing with us?

>>12683171

The fact that no one cares.

>>12683170
>I am so that means everybody else must be as well

>>12683171
Most likely they won't because they care and actually paid for it but even one of them is enough of a retard to try it won't make a difference because of DRM.

>>12683177
All the good VNs aren't officially translated, if you've only read localised VNs then you're one hell of a newfag.

>>12683171
>>12683177
And you have 3 mods from nyaa directly involved with Sekai, ever wonder why sometimes torrents just disappear from nyaa for no reason.
They're the reason.
They did it with Steins;Gate for the first 2 months of the game release and that was just because they were friends with Steiner

>>12683177
>DRM
>stopping anyone

Good one.

>>12683184
Yeah because I can't buy an official copy of the game and use the fan TL patch right... oh wait that's right I can.
Just stop, you're pathetic

>>12683190
You can but that would be pretty fucking stupid.

>>12683189
>DRM
>stopping anyone
It's doing for WEE and it will do it for Clannad and Grisaia.
Your move.

>>12683187
Nyaa isn't exactly the only public torrent tracker in the internet.

>>12683190
You didn't do that, though. Not at $100+ a pop plus dealing with proxy services.

>>12683191
>paying for products is stupid
>why shouldn't I get every thing I want for free
You're a fucking moron.

>>12683193

Like I said, it's not the DRM, it's the fact that no one gives enough of a fuck to pirate it. Look at how long it took for a crack for d2bvsDD to come out.

>>12683198
Paying for free products is stupid though.

>>12683199
>it's the fact that no one gives enough of a fuck to pirate it
I'll be sure to remind you of your stupid denial when you can't get Grisaia and Clannad for free pirate-kun

>>12683202
They're not free, you're just stealing it.

>>12683207
No one has ever said it's not stealing.

>>12683203
lmao if you honestly think those will go uncracked for longer than 48 hours. You really are delusional

>>12683207
But being able to steal without getting caught is the same as it being for free.

>>12683217
If honestly think those will be cracked in less than a month ever you're delusional.
And good luck getting patches fixing any typos or bugs ever for the pirated versions.

Guys, stop feeding the extremely obvious troll. Don't do this shit in the VNTS thread. Seriously.

I can't imagine this is the same /jp/ that way back when had pride in their ability to ignore trolls.

>>12683184
>All the good VNs aren't officially translated
http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/toukei_median.php?data_suu=200&kihon_mode=title&mode1=tokuten&coterie=null&average=t

Muv Luv Alternative - fan
>YU-NO - Official
>Steins;Gate - Official
>Ever17 - Official
White Album 2 - Closing Chapter - none
>CLANNAD - Official
Symphonic Rain - fan
Sengoku Rance - fan
>Family Project - Official
Utawarerumono - fan
Parfait ~chocolat second brew~ - none
BALDR SKY Dive 2 - none
Kichikuou Rance - fan
BALDR SKY Dive 1 - none

>>12683231
So where's your copy of Clannad then?

>>12683230
>he's saying something that hurts my pirate feelings
>must be a troll
whatever helps you sleep at night anon

>>12683231
>YU-NO - Official
What.

>>12683231
>YU-NO
>good
pick one

Bump limit reached on Tuesday. Well done, guys. Now go complain when somebody makes a second thread so they can actually discuss relevant things in the 4 days remaining until the next thread.

>>12683256
Yeah because this thread is always discussing relevant things right? It's not just a circlejerk at all.

>>12683256
I'd rather laugh at the people who think it's normal for people who have never read Ever17 to buy a physical copy of it.

>>12683256
>discuss relevant things
You must be joking. Sometimes intersting news get posted, but only stupid and/or irrelevant shit gets discussed

I have a steam copy of WEE episode 1.
How do share that with everybody?

>>12683267
If you don't know that already, you just don't.

>>12683267
don't worry about it i'm sure someone will when all they're all out

>>12683266
>>12683259
Talk about missing the point.

>>12677388
>It's on hold. I'm currently focusing on other projects, but I'll definitely continue working on it.

Soon it will be 4 years... while the actual translation was done in 8 months

>>12680733
MG actually wants to become a legitimate company though. Sekai's methods work well for short term but long term aren't sustainable.

>>12683789
>Sekai's methods work well for short term but long term aren't sustainable.
As evidenced by what research, predictions by which economists and/or statements by which business experts?

>>12683289
I'd say they're both spot on.

https://twitter.com/rubycosmos/status/532265920300056577
>Clannad Editor
>Confirmed for shit

>>12683838
I thought that was funny. The person she replied to seemed like a tool based on his twitterings.

>>12683231
>>YU-NO - Official
No.
>>Steins;Gate - Official
The fan translation came out way before the official one. People who wanted to play S;G didn't have to go through any official channels.
>>CLANNAD - Official
See above, except in this case the official release isn't even out yet and won't be for a long time.

>>12683231

I want fucking Suigetsu and no one will ever care about it because it's too old and has no nostalgia value on top of the fact that it's associated with old memes which is never a good thing and that its sequel is a piece of crap from what I've heard.

Oh well, waiting for the day I'll have enough motivation to actually learn Japanese.

Whoa whoa whoa, slow down there. JAST has preorders up for LWR? They're RELEASING SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN PUBLICLY TRANSLATED AND LICENSED AT THE LAST SECOND?

This is amazing. What's next? Sumaga preorders?

>>12684222
But it kind of was licensed at the last second.

>>12684264
I still remember. MG at the time said they sent someone to Littlewitch offices to try to get a license and they got told no (this was pretty much directly after the Kickstarter for Romanesque being taken down). Soon after that, JAST announced the acquisition of Romanesque.

>>12684264
> The kikestarter.
Right, I completely fucking forgot about that

>>12684274
MG deserves props for actually translating shit. If they did LWR with Aroduc then we'd have seen it a year fucking ago.

https://twitter.com/nekopara_pr/status/532334787680145408
Wait, so sekai IS responsible for Nekopara's translation. That makes sense, given how bad the samples look. I'd go so far as to say that it's probably YukkuriS/Shinikenshi doing it, since we know Batman/Trantez is on WEE.

>>12684350
can we all band together and email sayori and tell her how bad jew project is? i dont want to see my favorite artist be jewed out by them