/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Which Atelier wud u bully?

>>13262390
Shallie, for having such a goddamn disappointment of a game

>>13262390
Sterk, to make his life more miserable.

nth for a reminder that the Surge Concerto emblem on some boxes of Atelier Shallie is a filthy goddamn lie.

Do you guys think I'm burned out on Atelier?
I bought Rorona Plus on release on impulse because the game shops here don't really restock their games. I ended up enjoying it a lot so I bought all the other games too. I wanted to get Shallie on release but they only brought in the R2 version...

I really loved Rorona+ and Totori but I didn't like Meruru at first so I took a 2 month break before restarting it and finally platting it.

I started Ayesha a few months ago but I never continued it not do I feel like I want to... I was still hoping to beat it and E&L before Shallie came out.

>>13262370

>>13262394
You mean, KT doesn't even know GUST's IP.

>>13262544
I'm playing Rorona+ now after finishing the other two. It seems to be the most barebones Atelier game so far. Not a whole lot of happening and the assignments are pretty monotonous.

>>13263396
Well, Rorona was the first PS3 one, so of course it's going to be the most barebones of the PS3 Ateliers

>>13263404
I thought they would fix a lot of its issues in the the version (and they probably did) but it still seems like it's not quite up to par with the rest of them. Still having fun, though.

>>13262119
Continuing from here, is there an easy way to keep track of which dates I've already done, or am I going to need pen and paper?

>>13262370
The OP links seriously needs to be updated:

Technical Data Compilation Room Issue:
http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Ar_Portal_translation/Ar_Ciel_Technical_Data_Compilation_Room

Toukousphere Translation
http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Ar_Portal_translation/Toukousphere

>>13263439
They improved gameplay and visuals. made them actually the best in Arland series, but the story remain the same, which is the origin of the "nothing happening" problem.

>>13262391
which shallie

>>13263916

I have no idea why it's still used. The ATFLPP is extremely outdated and I've been too lazy to update it since the threads died down for a long time and many of the links are outdated. It needs a complete overhaul along with everything just being thrown into a pastebin or something to prevent the clutter.

>>13264458
>NO FUN ALLOWED
I'm glad I wasted an hour of my life learning the Hymmnos alphabet.

All caps Hymmnos is ugly though and the spacing of the characters would make a typesetter cry.

Okay, I am trying to get back into Atelier series. I stopped at Totori and I started the game back up again to finish it.

My problem is this. I have no idea what I am supposed to do. It is year 5 April 23rd and I am not sure what I was up to since I last played.

>>13265484
umm, do you have the boat?
you're suppose to go explore the seas...

>>13265496
I remember making it but Totori's dad is still asking me about the boat. I am thinking I forgot to save the game the last time played.

>>13265542
Wait, I have the boat. Nevermind, fucking dragon.

>>13264520
>I wasted an hour of my life learning the Hymmnos alphabet
Have you become a Reyvateil yet?

>>13265579
No, unfortunately.

>>13263837
Nope. I've got a txt file which I've been using to keep track of everything.

If you are not sure what date you are on now then you can use the 嬉しかったことメモ after a date to check against the site.

Also, make sure you advance time fairly regularly and have Ion go out so that you can trigger the Nelico events. I made the mistake of not doing that and fell behind a lot with them, and had to take a break from advancing the story in order to catch up. It is definitely worth seeing the events.

>>13262370
>TKE still staying quiet on any possibility of Ar noSurge Plus localization

I figured most people who cared about surge concerto or ar tonelico would have learned moonrunes by now.

Don't want to sound like an ass, but you're missing out on a bunch of stuff by relying on english resources, not counting on some good ateliers tha were never brought over.

>>13266078
Honestly I'd love to, but I just don't have the time. Maybe when crunch at work ends I'll see what I can do about lessons, but languages really aren't my strong suit.

But I DID discover this guy who seems to be intent on translating all of Ciel noSurge:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhWtcwZ5Bzm10RI1TElB3Dnf7kj9UoARJ
It's not quite playing it, but it's good enough for me for now!

>>13266197
You're not gonna enjoy Ciel that way. That's is his Ion, not yours. I actually find quite difficult to play ciel nosurge the same way twice as they quite managed to make Ion someone who belongs to the player.

I really don't see a point in these videos, but whatever goes I guess

>>13266078
I am learning but I reading still is quite slow.
>you're missing out on a bunch of stuff
Do you mean the games or are you referring to some other stuff I could download and read right now?

>>13266235
both

>>13266241
Could you give me some examples of the latter in that case? I know there's the Arpeggio novel.

>>13266298
There's the ar tonelico aperggio manga, there's the GA bunko novel for ar tonelico, there are comic books for ar nosurge, some cool visual albums that has information about the planet ar ciel.

Tons and tons of character audio novels that I haven't even listened to all of them (there's a LOT of them) that tells much about the characters and interesting details about the world.

More comic books for ar nosurge might come out soon too

>>13266204
The point is to show people the story of Ciel so they can enjoy Ar nosurge. It's not the same as playing it but he's leaving out a lot of the non-story related Ion interactions so I guess it's better than nothing for English-only players.

>>13266447
I see. I figure you'd want to play the game to want to waifu Ion so Idk why you would be interested in someone else's Ion. That clears it up, thanks

>>13266447
Yeah, I'm enjoying actually seeing the story far more than any summary of the game could give me.

Also Ion's reactions to her memories are fun too.

Is Ciel Offline digital only?

And if it isn't, is the physical version region locked?

>>13266835
No

No
Is there even a single region locked vita game?

Ar nosurge was the last Gust game I really loved (Shallie was disappointing overall). Actually, it was the last video game at all that I really loved.

I'm dying over here with no news from Gust about any new games in so long. I can't believe they didn't even unveil a new Atelier last month, I'm afraid they're going to go full smartphone from now on because there just isn't money in niche PS4 JRPGs (see: Disgaea 5 sales)

Latest news from Gust appears that the release date for 3DS Rorona is now set for June 4.

No PS4 Atelier, no Chronos Materia.

Got my artbook (Prime is an addictive drug).

I-it's beautiful.

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>>13268138
Ugh, phone cameras are crappy.

>>13267911
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>>13268150
Mine hasn't even shipped yet. Fuck.

If the Atelier series is made for girls then why is it popular with neckbeards and other males?

>>13268163
Yeah, Amazon's regular shipping sucks.

I have no idea how people can take non-shit photos with a phone.

>>13268211
Don't, there are scans of it already and it's so old that plenty of people own a copy by now.

I'm trying to save storage on my tiny memory card.

Can someone describe the voice packs to me in Ciel nosurge?

They seem to be divided by section/chapters. Does that mean I can play the game with only one of the three voice packs downloaded at a time? I know that the voices aren't just for the dream world, but for daily life events, but to what extent am I going to get silent tracks if I'm missing 1 or 2 of the packs?

Like, what does the game sound like if I play Shiren without Houkai and Koutei, Houkai without Shiren and Koutei, etc.? Bearable? Does Nelico lose her voice too?

Based Google drive for not deleting this. I've been looking for it for quite a while.

>>13270432
Wish I hadn't seen this, now I need it.

Well I finally caved and bought a copy of Ciel noSurge. Now I just need to learn Japanese to be able to play it...

But knowing my luck, now I've done this there will be a translation announced.

>>13262391
what's so bad about it?

I liked e&l but have held off on shallie. Should I continue not bothering?

>>13266197
Been watching these, got up to Ion meeting with Kanon at Kanon's house of the colony, and oh my GOD Ion looks adorable wearing that suit! I hope that's an unlockable costume in Ar Plus... If we ever get Ar Plus...

>>13270622
Don't worry, you have time. Koei/GUST seems intent on only milking Atelier at the moment.

>>13270241
How small is your memory card? The voices are less than 2GB total.

Not too sure about the missing voices, since I just downloaded them all right away.

>>13270622
It is definitely worth it, anon. Just make sure to hang in there.

>>13270758
I hope the Ciel outfits carry on to Ar, I know that you can get Ar outfits in Ciel.

>>13268209
Aren't males the primary target audience for the Atelier series? How many female fans does the series have anyways?

>>13270730
Almost everything in this game is disappointing.
Worst characters. Worst story. Worst music.
Characters are so bad and empty that even disliked characters from previous games that appears here looks decent.
Story doesn't continue anything and nothing is resolved by the end.
Music. Maybe this is my personal opinion but ost is just not consistently good as in previous ateliers. It has a good tracks, but also has a shitty ones. Final boss theme was especially disappointing, especially compared to ones in previous games. https://youtu.be/BaP8vgM9BGA . Oh and about last boss. It's just some random mob.
Now about good sides. Battle mechanics - rip off of Mana Khemia battle mechanics which is one of the best battle mechanics in JRPG. Alchemy mechanics is also made a big improvement. But lack of difficulty make it all worthless. I was lucky and pirated game with all dlc so hightest unlockable difficulty was avalible for me from the very beginning, I werent able to play on this difficulty from the very beginning but after 5th chapter it make game really fun.
So if you gonna play it make sure to get DLC. Otherwise only if you fun of Ateliers.
sorry for my broken engrish

>>13262370
>>13266078
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>>13271058
In an interview when Rorona was released, the developers stated
> The honest assessment is that we had more female players for "Salburg" and "Gramnad", but then more male players for "Iris" and "Mana Khemia".
and that, somehow, bringing in Mel Kishida for the Arland games would ensure more of a balance.

And it looks to me like they made an effort to make characters of both sexes that would be attractive, at least to Japanese players.

>>13271058
They made that Atelier otome game so they care about keeping them at least.

>>13271350
Fuck you!

>>13271673
>more female players for "Salburg" and "Gramnad"
>more male players for "Iris" and "Mana Khemia".
I wonder why they assumed that the character design was the problem. Normally i would think it was the gameplay.

>>13270241
Okay so, apparently I should've guessed this based on how Vita generally is with ALL dlc...

but the voice packs aren't modular at all and are linked with the save. So if you've saved with all three packs downloaded, you must have all three packs installed or else you won't be able to load the save.

Guess I have to delete an entire game in order to enjoy Ciel...

>>13271350
Oh god, I'm laughing but getting depressed at the same time.

>>13272470
I think it's only goes one way, as in you can add DLC packs to a save that doesn't have them, but you can't remove DLC packs from a save that does have them.

Which makes sense, since if you have a save file that uses DLC data, and then you remove the DLC, what is the game supposed to do?

>>13272515
I kind of thought the game would just go like

>play wakeup_greeting2.wav
>can't find, play silence.wav
>play greeting_response.wav
>can't find, play silence.wav
etc

and not throw a hissy fit because a file happens to be missing

guess I've been spoiled by PC games

>>13272862
>get dlc_character_stats.data
>can't find
>Missingno
Vita probably has a standard DLC API, and there's no way you could hotplug DLC that provides important data.

>>13273073
>>13272515
Programmer here. There's no legitimate reason for the saves to be dependent on DLC that does not affect gameplay. Basically, you save stuff like your character's stats and items, triggered gameplay flags and so on in a file, then load them into memory again when the save file is loaded. While this does pose a problem with DLC that actually adds stuff (The inventory contains item #5231? What the fuck is item #5231, there's no such item in the game!), there's no legitimate reason for voice DLC or anything like it to break saves. Even for issues like my example, many better coded games handle it smoothly regardless even with user-created mods (keep the item ID, but make it a blank item with the name [Unknown item 5231] (so that when loaded again WITH the mod it becomes the real item again) and show a warning message upon loading the file).

(The only sane implementation of voice DLC, by the way, would be to have the voice commands already in the game script even without the DLC, and just ignoring them if the DLC is not present. Gust would have to do some really weird things to have it affect a save file in any way.)

But I said 'legitimate reason' because most likely there is a reason, which is that Gust is either lazy or incompetent (as is also shown by, for example, the performance issues in their games). To avoid the hassle mentioned above they probably just keep a list of DLCs in the save file and refuse to load if any of the DLCs aren't present, without checking whether it would affect anything at all.

Is it rape? It's rape, right?

>>13273589
Also programmer here.
>There's no legitimate reason for the saves to be dependent on DLC that does not affect gameplay.
Yes there is, you even say it yourself.
>While this does pose a problem with DLC that actually adds stuff (The inventory contains item #5231? What the fuck is item #5231, there's no such item in the game!)

I hear you say
>there's no legitimate reason for voice DLC or anything like it to break saves
and there is a very obvious legitimate reason, and that is that Sony only provides a single API for DLC for game developers. You cannot have "voice DLC" and "gameplay DLC", you can only have "DLC".

http://jin115.com/archives/52074496.html

>>13273699
Yes, and you can:
- Mark in the main game which DLC does/does not affect save data;
- Mark in the DLC whether or not it does/does not affect save data;
- Only list save-data-affecting DLC in the save file;
- Store in the save file per DLC whether or not it affects the gameplay.

It's not like Gust is FORCED to store that list of used DLC in a specific manner. They can design their save files whichever way they want, and they did it in an incompetent way.

>>13273708
Re-release
Now with a higher polygon count

>>13274054
>Yes, and you can:
How do you know? Did you download Sony's Vita SDK and check that there are ways to mark what does or does not affect save data?
Do you know for a fact that game developers are allowed to do anything beyond just registering gameplay DLC?

>It's not like Gust is FORCED to store that list of used DLC in a specific manner.
Yes they are, by Sony.

>They can design their save files whichever way they want
No, they can only design it in the way that Sony's Vita API allows them to.

This really belongs on /g/, not here, but it's clear to me that you have zero experience developing games using proprietary APIs and SDKs on proprietary consoles. You cannot just do whatever you want; you can only do the things that Sony allows you to on the Vita. Otherwise cracking the Vita would be a lot easier.

I can't think of a really good way to explain it to someone of your experience level, but maybe this will help: imagine that you're developing a game for the Vita, and you can use the functions load_dlc(), save_savefile(), load_savefile(). The only way to save or load savefiles is to use those functions. load_savefiles() refuses to load a savefile if the set of DLC loaded currently does not match the set of DLC loaded when the savefile was made. There's no other way to load DLC beside the load_dlc() function, so you can't "cheat" and load DLC without save_savefile() or load_savefile() knowing about it. Now tell me, how are you going to get your game to load a savefile with missing DLC?

>>13274176
There is no 'impossible' in programming, only 'infeasible'. Anything and everything can't be worked around.

Even assuming your worst-case situation of EVERYTHING being forced by Vita's API (which would be ridiculously restrictive), you could work around it by unloading the DLC before saving and re-loading it afterwards.

The only exact set of circumstances that would allow no feasible workaround is:
- DLCs are automatically loaded on startup by the API.
- DLCs cannot be unloaded in any way.
- The save data header contains a list of all loaded DLCs, forced in by the API and which cannot be altered in any way.
- The API absolutely refuses to load any save data if any of the listed DLC is not present, and there is no way around this.
- There is absolutely no way to save any data on the memory card outside of the API.

In other words, the API would have to be EXTREMELY restrictive in every single way to make it infeasible. (Even then there are still ridiculous workarounds like using network communication instead, but they're clearly infeasible.)

>>13274176
There is no 'impossible' in programming, only 'infeasible'. Anything and everything can be worked around.

Even assuming your worst-case situation of EVERYTHING being forced by Vita's API (which would be ridiculously restrictive), you could work around it by unloading the DLC before saving and re-loading it afterwards.

The only exact set of circumstances that would allow no feasible workaround is:
- DLCs are automatically loaded on startup by the API.
- DLCs cannot be unloaded in any way.
- The save data header contains a list of all loaded DLCs, forced in by the API and which cannot be altered in any way.
- The API absolutely refuses to load any save data if any of the listed DLC is not present, and there is no way around this.
- There is absolutely no way to save any data on the memory card outside of the API.

In other words, the API would have to be EXTREMELY restrictive in every single way to make it infeasible. (Even then there are still ridiculous workarounds like using network communication instead, but they're clearly infeasible.)

>>13270981

Why does she look so sultry? Where were you that going home warranted that kind of expression?

>>13276042
Probably a screenshot taking while a character was blinking. Which is a problem I've encountered in more recent games. It's nice that the characters have idle animations like blinking, but it makes for some ridiculous-looking screenshots.

I only managed to get the normal end in Totori, this pisses me off. I couldn't beat the final boss at adventure level 27 and I only used one save so I have no time to keep trying. Should I replay Totori or just move on to Meruru?

I can't get over how good the cutscene for Ahih Rei-Yah looks despite being PS Vita graphics. The contrast between the blue lighting and the glowing orange of the 'trons, and the flashes of the wave burst being deflected that reminds of both fireworks and raindrops hitting water.

Why the fuck can't this series be more popular so I can gush about it to more than just you guys?

>>13277477
Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves the lighting and effects in that scene. The other songs have really great looking cutscenes too but Ahih rei-yah's is one of the best.

>>13277500
I have to agree, most song magic throughout Ar tonelico and Ar noSurge is just "girl sings, stuff happens", but for Ahih Rei-Yah the way the lighting changes the mood actually makes it feel 'magical'

Kinda? I don't really know what I'm trying to say.

>>13277477
I thought it was pre render. And yeah it was the best scene in CielNo.

>>13277477
Is there a way to replay cutscenes?

>>13277589
Yeah I get what you mean. Even in Ar nosurge, half of the songs were used for battle music but Ciel nosurge has all of them as cutscenes for those VN segments. zu-fao jen-din is one of my personal favorites because of how different the movie for it was and how great the song is.

>>13277611
Dunno, I've just been using youtube

>>13277611
You could buy the genometric concert CDs that come with DVDs containing the important songs.

Is it possible to get the Ciel Nosurge content on an english copy of Ar Nosurge, or would I have to rebuy Ar in japanese?

>>13277611
well sadly no...all we have is just pictures and the song with lyrics

>>13277357
>I only managed to get the normal end in Totori, this pisses me off.
I personally liked normal end best out of all the endings.

>I couldn't beat the final boss at adventure level 27
Defeating the final boss is only required for some of the endings.

>I couldn't beat the final boss at adventure level 27 and I only used one save so I have no time to keep trying.
You should keep multiple saves, but I guess you've learned that by now. How did you end up running out of time for the main events? You should minimize the amount of time you spend by, among others
- Leaving gather areas when there's one or two bars left (the day ends when you leave such an area; if there are still 5 bars left at that point you've wasted an entire day. It's more efficient to gather and fight until there's one bar left, leave, then re-enter the area instead).
- Traveling as efficiently as possible. If you need to go to place X and place Y and you can travel to both on the same route, do that instead of returning to the city in the meantime (unless you run out of space and can't dump stuff, of course).
- Using the wholesale system to cut down on synthesis time. Why craft bombs when you can buy them instead?
- Crafting what is known in later games as 'search equipment'. I'm not sure if Totori has a travel time reduction item, but if it does, CRAFT IT. The Workshop Wings allows you to teleport to Arland or Totori's village from anywhere, cutting travel time almost in half. There's also an item to let you transfer items from your basket to the container anywhere, letting you overcome your item limit.

>Should I replay Totori or just move on to Meruru?
That depends. How much did you like Atelier Totori? I personally loved it and immediately started replaying it. If you're not that enthusiastic, just move on to Meruru. The endings aren't all that great and the money end and true end are a real pain to get.

>>13277477
And the little touch of Cass holding Delta's hand is just adorable

>>13279469
Why is Totori so lewd?

>>13278464
I think the Ciel save import is tied to the online functionality that was cut out entirely by TKE, so you probably would need a Japanese copy of Ar to get the Ciel stuff loaded.

However, you CAN load Japanese Ar saves in the English version, so if you imported your Ciel stuff and saved on the JPN version, then loaded the save on the ENG version, you should still have it, what with all the Ciel stuff being translated but totally inaccessible normally.

Of course, I have no idea how the Ciel->Ar transfer works, so that might not work at all, but you CAN get the costume change feature unlocked if you import a JPN save with that, but the only save I can find online with that is right before the final boss so who knows...

Did they ever explain why in Ciel Nosurge the only people who can use song magic are female?

I understand that in Ar Tonelico it was because the origins were just created female, the betas are clones of the origins, and in third gens the reyvateil dna just doesn't 'work' with a Y-chromosome.

But as far as I can tell, there's nothing to stop males from harmonizing with genom or cielnotrons, is there? Incarnation is of course a whole different thing, but the older ways of song magic should work, right?

>>13279818
Did it ever say that only females can use song magic? I think it's just that the game never shows a male using it, not that it's actually impossible, which it shouldn't be.

Males clearly do use cielnotrons in Ciel, but I'm not sure that counts as using song magic in the same way as genoms.

>>13279732
Because you are a sick fuck projecting your pedo desires on an innocent little girl. In Meruru she (six years later, at age 19) even says she's not really interested in this whole love stuff. Not only is she not lewd, she's as pure as can be.

>>13279818
Undu does use song magic in Ciel, although he was inhabiting Nero's body at the time. The reverse also happens, with Nero using song magic while she's inhabiting Delta's body. So I think they probably can.

They sync with sharls at one point and send magic energy to Nay at one point in Ciel - if they had no ability to use it Nay would have just gotten the women to sync instead of everyone.

If I had to guess I'd wager that women can just use much stronger song magic. When Undu used it he was just supporting Nay.

I'm still looking for a digital version of the Ar Nosurge manga. Did somebody save some of the older chapters by any chance?
I know there is the Tankoubon but I would really like to OCR those kanji.

>>13279469
I decided to play Meruru next, it is pretty fun. I am about a year in and I am much more efficient than I was in Totori. I like the development system more than the adventure card system.

>- Using the wholesale system to cut down on synthesis time. Why craft bombs when you can buy them instead?
Yeah, I never bothered to do that, I forgot the feature existed. I guess that is why the lower cost trait is a good one instead of bad. I didn't use chims either.

>Crafting what is known in later games as 'search equipment'. I'm not sure if Totori has a travel time reduction item, but if it does, CRAFT IT. The Workshop Wings allows you to teleport to Arland or Totori's village from anywhere, cutting travel time almost in half. There's also an item to let you transfer items from your basket to the container anywhere, letting you overcome your item limit.
I crafted just about anything I could.

I screwed up the time thing because I spent too much time gathering useless ingredients and just went to places as needed.

Yeah, I fucked up, will probably replay it after Meruru. For the record I started using most of those tricks after year 5, I never had any problems with time in Rorona tho.

>>13279732
Sexual thoughts about pure, innocent Totori are horrible.

I would never suggest removing Totori's clothes and licking her tiny body all over, nibbling her neck and kissing her adorable little nipples. Only a heartless monster would think about her cute girlish mouth and tongue wrapped around a thick cock slick with her saliva, pumping in and out of her mouth until it erupts, the cum more than her little throat can swallow.

The idea of thick viscous semen overflowing, dribbling down her chin over her flat chest, her tiny hands scooping it all up and watching her suck it off her fingertips is just horrible. You're all a bunch of sick perverts, thinking of spreading her smooth slender thighs, cock poised at the entrance to her pure, tight, virginal pussy, and thrusting in deep as a whimper escapes her lips which are slippery with cum, while her small body shudders from having her cherry taken in one quick stroke.

I am disgusted at how you'd get even more excited as you lean over her, listening to her quickening breath, her girlish moans and gasps while you hasten your strokes, her sweet pants warm and moist on your face and her flat chest, shiny with a sheen of fresh sweat, rising and falling rapidly to meet yours.

It is truly nasty how you'd run your hands all over her tiny body while you violate her, feeling her nipples hardening against your tongue as you lick her chest, her neck and her armpits, savoring the scent of her skin and sweat while she trembles from the stimulation and as she reaches her climax, hearing her cry out softly as she has her first orgasm while that cock is buried impossibly deep inside her, pulsing violently as an intense amount of hot cum spurts forth and floods through her freshly-deflowered pussy for the first time, filling her womb only to spill out of her with a sickening squelch.

>>13281174
And as you lie atop her flushed body, she exclaims "I-it's to much for me, Anon!", then her fingers dig into your back as she feels your cock hardening inside her again.

You're all freaks. Totori's too pure for anyone to imagine her in such a terrible situation, and anyone who does is evil, evil, evil.

>>13281179
>>13281174
Please don't apply Rika's copypasta to other less desirable beings.

>>13281183

>>13279732 asked why... So I gave him an answer.

>>13280225
I would send my energy to Nay.

>>13281251
Do not sexualize the GUSTs.

>>13281255
Some GUSTs are clearly intended to be sexualized, though.

>>13281315
Woah, there was a character like this in Rorona? I should start playing it again...

Do Atelier games have music as good as Ar Tonelico's?

>>13281948
It has great BGMs for a regular game but not on the level of ar tonelico. Ar Tonelico, Ciel nosurge, and Ar nosurge are on another level. The Atelier series is about crafting and micromanaging.

Why do I get the feeling sometimes that Nelico cares more for me than Ion?

Also I just realized ネリコ、アルトネリコ Derp.

>>13283266

>>13281948
Atelier's BGM on of the best in vidya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVcc16o0SaY
AT 2 and AT 3 has a quite a shitty BGM.

>>13283266
>ネリコ、アルトネリコ
Yeah, I didn't notice that for a while either. Felt a bit silly when I did.

I haven't played the Ar Tonelico games though, so I've always seen it written in english on 4chan and never made the link.

>>13284807
Damn, that sounds nice. Too bad the Atelier games aren't as epic as that OST makes it sound.

>>13284878
Yep, played Ar Tonelico in English and Ciel in Jap, it makes it harder to notice.

>>13279469
>I personally liked normal end best out of all the endings.
Same here, I hate the sort of ending that the true end had.

>>13285463
I have mixed feelings on Atelier Totori's true end.

On the one hand, I really like how the game defies narrative cliches that say every single problem must be resolved through the actions of the main characters. Sometimes problems solve themselves, and weird things happen through sheer coincidence. As such, I can appreciate how Gisela survived through entirely explainable events unrelated to what the main characters did. (Side note: I really like the anime series Durarara!!, which constantly does stuff like this; actions of some characters just happening to resolve or cause problems for other characters by coincidence.)

On the other hand...it's just not executed well. The explanation is handled well (and clearly foreshadowed by the grave not being the actual grave), but the reunion is completely lacking, it ends when it's about to get good. How do the characters respond beyond their initial surprise? How do Gisela and Astrid feel toward each other, and what do they think of the whole situation? Is Gisela proud of her daughter now that she's become a legendary adventurer as well?

For that reason, I liked the narrative curveball of the normal ending far better. Totori's just a normal girl who happened to become an adventurer to reach a certain goal. With the goal reached, there's no epic finale or saving-the-world scenario, she doesn't become rich and famous...she just goes back to her life. Stuff has changed a bit, but life goes on regardless.

Which reminds me...Atelier Meruru casually spoils Atelier Totori's true end at one point. >>13280942, maybe it's worth just watching the true end on YouTube before you get it spoiled in an even more underwhelming manner.

>>13284807
Don't say that, AT2 and AT3 have some absolutely awesome tracks, not to mention hymnos. I could listen to that stuff all day (and in fact, I do!)

Where is Ar nosurge Plus in English :(

>>13287087
Are there really people seriously expecting a Surge Concerto Plus release? We have a better chance of getting an AT compilation release.

Has anyone done any research to figure out the spelling variations in the AT universe?

Mir is spelled as Mir for her hymn code, but she's called Mule in Hymmnos.

Harvestasya vs Harvestasha. It seems like Harvestasya is used more in Hymmnos songs.

Tyria, Tilia. The person is Tyria, the song is HARMONICS TILIA

Eoria, Eolia, same.

>>13268138
Mine finally got here. Now that I have it I realize that I would have payed $50+ for it.

Maybe I should pony up for the Atelier Arland trilogy art book. Is it good?

>>13287933

Do you like your AT book? Are you a fan of Atelier games? If the answer is yes to those then I highly recommend it. It's the same size, about the same thickness and is filled with nice art from all games in the Atelier series (up to the point it was released anyway, it naturally won't have Escha, Shallie etc.). It's done by the same people who released the Ar Tonelico book too so it's of a good quality.

>>13289282
There were two books: one for all of the Atelier games from Marie through Rorona, and one for just the Arland games Rorona, Totori, and Meruru. I have both, and find the earlier book much more useful.

>>13287933

>>13290561
What would you say is the best Atelier game?

>>13289282
>Do you like your AT book?
Yes, it is nice to have a product that you can hold in your hand rather than viewing it on a screen. I never looked at the cans of the book so a lot of the pics I haven't seen before.

>Are you a fan of Atelier games?
Not as much as Ar Tonelico 1-3 but they are much more enjoyable than most of the other games I have played. A non-violent game (except those poor punis) where you just do work is refreshing, no world to save is nice. So yeah, I like them.

Now that I have the AT book I sorta want to encourage more art books for the west so buying it will be a good idea, next month.

>>13290561
I haven't played the PS3 games so I don't think I would enjoy an art book of games I haven't played.

>useful
???

>>13291092
>PS3 games
*PS2 games

>>13291092
>useful

Absolutely.
Sometimes I just need to know what games Pamela has been in, or what endings were possible in Atelier Lilie.

>>13287393
I always thought that was due to how certain letters are pronounced in Japanese.
The switching from r to l for example would explain Eolia -> Eoria.

Are the Dusk games better than the Arland games?

>>13294901
The Dusk games are better than the Arland games.

Hopefully no one else is OCD, but if you wanted to min/max sharls in Ciel nosurge, read on.

Sharls have four stats: Repair Power, LP, Recovery Speed, and Leadership. tl;dr max Leadership, then boost Repair Power.

Basically the only thing that matters is whether you can repair a point in one go. Leadership effectively duplicates your Sharl so it's essential. Leadership caps at 4, and it caps naturally without skills at Level 34-36 with max Synchro Rate, so if you still have Leadership skills set, take them off.

The only other stat worth buying skills for is Repair Power because Repair Power is inherited by support Sharls, while LP and Recovery Speed are not. Support Sharls have stats that are around your base LP and your base+skills Repair Power. Also, higher Repair Power means less LP spent which leads to faster recovery speed anyway.

>>13294901
Arland - better story and characters.
Dusk - better everything else.

Anyone here have the online version of Ciel? Gust is having a special event this week or so, and offers a barcode for a special Sharl.

>>13301471
It only works on the online version? That sucks, hope it isn't cute.

But special event? It couldn't possibly be... could it?

>>13301640
Does the offline version even do barcode scanning for Sharls?

>>13262370
>>13262585
>>13266078
>>13266197

I hate this fucking dumb robo-penis craved slut

>>13301729
Of course. How do you think you make Sharls otherwise?

>>13301640
>But special event? It couldn't possibly be... could it?
Surge Concerto+ western release.
;_;

>>13301471

Ratio, currently lvl11. Pink hair, pink eyes. Comes with long hair, the flower head wreath, angel wings, and a cargo basket. マジ天使！

Costs 5000 HymP to pick her up right now, but that'll go up as her level increases.

Type: Oneesan
276 people have her so far (261 in use)

She's a Water type
LP 44/44
At 10% syncro she's 4.39/1LP, 19Pt/min, and 2Sharl leadership.

19Pt/2Sharl at lvl11/10% is pretty sweet.

>>13301729

Offline version. らーく. Earth type and exceptionally normal in all regards.

>>13302648
Yeah, just a normal Sharl then.

>>13302636
I'm a little jealous, that hair color is nice.

So will this be the first year since 2001 without a new Atelier game? It's getting pretty close to June and Gust hasn't said a word.

>>13302982

Gust is reclining.

>>13302982
I hope this means EXA_PICO news. I'm getting tired of hearing about all the Atelier remakes.

Huh. I only just noticed that parts of Zill's outfit in Ar Nosurge are kinda based on Ion's outfit in Ciel Nosurge

>>13302982
The June release date seems to have been taken over by 3DS Rorona. But I wouldn't be surprised if the next main sequence Atelier game is on the PS4, and out in 2016.

Is there any concept art of what the terminal looks like on Ion's end in Ciel? All I keep imagining is just Earthes' head and neck sticking out of an old Amiga style computer in place of the monitor

Just finished the Arland trilogy, will move on to the Dusk trilogy in May.

They were great games and were worth replaying, it is nice to see games that are worth replaying nowadays. Meruru had the best mechanics but Totori was my favorite. First time I played an RPG that had almost no lore and still kept me interested because of the autism triggering game mechanics, fun characters that you can actually care about, and amusing dialogue. I don't play JRPGs much so I don't know how unique this series is but these games are gems.

I don't know any actual concept art but there's a manga by NTNY that has it in a humorous context.

>>13310128
Huh, yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking but with Earthes' head on it instead of the screen.

>>13310102
>>13310128

There's actually one specific moment in the game when you can see part of the actual terminal. Though it's kind of spoilerish...

I bought the Dusk trilogy right now, did not know there were no jap voices in Ayesha. This really, really makes me mad but I can mute it. It is my fault for assuming they did, I guess.

Is the dub okay at least?

>>13312417
Ayesha's probably the least good of the dub cast but Keithgriff has a decent VA actually. The worst part really isn't the dub itself but the fact that there are less lines voiced in the dub compared to the original.

>>13312431
>Ayesha's probably the least good of the dub cast
I can live with no voices anyways.

I wonder how /jp/ took the news. I wish I had a vita so I could have avoided this.

>>13312573
There was a stupid boycott that didn't really work but at least they promised it would never happen again.

>>13312417
>>13312573
Also there are no sprites like Ar nosurge. This is like a second shoah.

Japanese PSN codes

Mana Khemia 2
2ABC-4PN9-EA6N

PS+ 15 day trial
NDN8-8ENF-GE7H

>>13313403
I don't see your point.
None of Gust's PS3 games use sprites.

>>13314031
I think he meant no portraits.

>>13314031
>>13314076
I meant no portraits, sorry

After playing the game for awhile I like it.

How good are the PS3 ateliers and ar tonelicos? I played all the PS2 games and liked them, specially mana khemia 1 and ar tonelico 2.

>>13315858
Ar Tonelico 3, aka "Qoga" wasn't as good as AT2, and represented Harmonic levels in battle by having your Reyvateil undress, which some people found embarrassing. Still a worthwhile game, and had some good songs.

The PS3 Atelier games had a lot less emphasis on plot, and more on meeting deadlines, than the Iris and Mana Khemia games.

>>13315903
>>13315858
Qoga is generally far weaker than AT2 and maybe even 1. I partly blame switching to 3D. It does make it worthwhile making an end to the story though.

Ar nosurge is a different matter. Many parts of the game was very rage inducing to me but once I'm over it surprisingly only things come to mind is how innovative it was in some aspects.

>>13315858
AT3 is a shit. PS3 ateliers aren't shit but worse than Iris and MK. Ar nosurge is great.

>>13315903
>represented Harmonic levels in battle by having your Reyvateil undress, which some people found embarrassing.
From reading metacritic and other reviews this is 90% of the reason people shit on it.

>>13315858
Worth playing if you liked AT1 and AT2. I like the Arland trilogy better than the PS2 games but that is a very minority opinion.

What is the best song of the series and why is em-pyei-n vari-fen jang;?

>>13315903
>>13315974
>>13315985
>>13316009

Thanks guys.So from what you said, the Ateliers are good and the Ar tonelicos have divided opinions, right? In any case, I think I will start with Rorona plus and see how things changed for good or for worse.

>>13316056
It isn't, and keep your shitter memes at the doorstep when you enter /jp/, fuckface.

>>13316009
>From reading metacritic and other reviews this is 90% of the reason people shit on it.
If people can't handle a girl undressing on their watch, it's not my problem. Personally, I found AT3 awesome in terms of music, okay for the plot and fairly good in terms of characters. Especially after AT2 pulled a fast one on me and made me go with the worst girl on my first try. If it wasn't for Mir, that game would've had the worst two characters in any video game I ever played.

>>13316443
>the Ar tonelicos have divided opinions
There's only one, it's not a bad game per se, and it concludes the epic Ar Tonelico trilogy, so if you've played the first two, it doesn't make a lot of sense to stop before the finale.

>>13316452
While it can't be said that all of the music was great since AT3 had EXEC_CUTYPUMP/. I agree that certain tracks were good when they worked.
EXEC_METEMPSYCHOSIS/. for example was pretty damn cool to hear while fighting that huge mech.

>>13316599
I kind of agree about EXEC_CUTYPUMP/., even though it somehow grew on me over time, especially that short part on the end that isn't complete shit. There weren't all that many hymnos overall that I'm too fond of (in fact, I dislike most of the ones on the red side hymnos concert CD), but the remaining ones were outstanding. Listening to EXEC_FLIP_ARPHAGE/. is one of my favorite pastimes, and one of these days I'll turn up the volume so hard that this whole damn building is blown away by sheer awesome power.

I dunno, EXEC_CUTYPUMP/. kinda grew on me after a while, and side red did have EXEC_Z/. and METHOD_HYMMELI/.

>>13316452
>If it wasn't for Mir, that game would've had the worst two characters in any video game I ever played.
Thats pretty unfair considering what kind of garbage work western game developers do with their characters. Yes, both Luca and Cloche are nearly worst waifu material unless you are into tsunderes but their personalities are well thought out, consistent and even (what is also main reason why they are unlikeable by many) realistic.

>>13317187
>Luca and Cloche are nearly worst waifu material
They never were waifu material. They were not meant for you or Croix. The entire game is designed around Luca and Cloche's relationship: Names, themes, symbology, songs, the Infelsphere, Deathlandia, hell, even the original Japanese title.

>>13316443
>In any case, I think I will start with Rorona plus
Be aware that Rorona is by far the worst of the Arland trilogy games (even the much improved Plus version isn't on par with Totori or Meruru). Can't compare it to the Dusk trilogy because I've only played a bit of Ayesha (but I can at least confirm Ayesha is better than Rorona).

>>13317905
Rorona was easily my favourite of the Arland saga, guess it depends on taste.

>>13317228
I'm well aware of that, its just that part is not really consistent from game to game especially when given central idea of series is to solve girl's mental problems and build strong relationship. They kinda sacrificed their likeness to produce bigger impact from personality conflicts.

>>13317905
Rorona+>meruru>totori>rorona

>>13316443
Don't listen to those guys saying AT3 isn't as good. That's simply not true. They just can't get over it not having 2d graphics.

>>13302636

Wow. Ratio is already up to level 20.

Seems like Ciel nosurge online is getting a big rush as everyone tries to finish up in time for the last Last Message window.

>>13319146
>Seems like Ciel nosurge online is getting a big rush as everyone tries to finish up in time for the last Last Message window.
What's going on?

I wish I could've participated during Ciel nosurge while it was still being released... Feels like I'm missing out.

Will any of these come out on PC?

>>13320816
Every GUST game up to PS2 level already is on PC, if you catch my drift.

Oh boy, it took 2 months but this finally came in the mail. The music box plays To the Songless Hill and it sound extremely nice.

>>13321521
>and it sound extremely nice
Talk about being redundant.

>>13322017
I'm sorry. It sounds really nice? English is my second language. Also, does Ciel offline require a jpsn for anything?

>>13268138
Oh man I TOTALLY forgot I had the artbook

I was pissed it mostly had assets I already had and absolutely ZERO concept art

>>13278420
>Ra Ciel Fuser
SO GREAT FUCK. The visuals and what's actually going on during the song are just so... AUGH so something!

>>13321521
HOW DID YOU GET THAT?!

I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL GONE!

>>13318903
It really isn't very good. I loved Ar Nosurge the most and that was the least 2D out of all of the games. Meanwhile AT3 probably has the worst pick of girls of any game. I was more interested in Gojo and Richa than any of the Aoto couples.

Some of the stuff AROUND it is great like the function of the third tower and the plot surrounding the ultimate conclusion to the AT series but the game itself had serious design issues.


Ok guys, does anyone have a torrent for the disc that came out last Comiket or whenever it came out? I wouldn't care since it's got songs that we've already gotten that were voted on by the community but there's ONE exception Class::Exsphere_Nosurge from Ciel Nosurge instead of Ar Nosurge.

I used to listen to it on Nicotv but I was too lazy to actually rip it from the site and now I can't find it. Does anyone have a link where I can listen to or download it? Please remember it's not the version sung by Prim in Ar Nosurge but the one sung by Zill in Ciel Nosurge which had the operatic singing.

I had a picture of the disc but I misplaced it somewhere

>>13324206

Your talking about

06 Class__EXSPHERE_NOSURGE;~Original aren;t you?

An anon uploaded it here in the thread, but i'm not sure if anyone saved the link.

>>13322801

Cielno offline doesn't ... strictly... require a JPN account, but a lot of the voice files are DLC only (free).

They had to make them download because it was too big to fit on a vita cartridge otherwise.

I just wished they'd done them as a day-one patch download instead so it wasn't region locked...

Given song magic strength directly related to strength of reyvateil's emotions I kinda fail to see how exactly making reyvateil without (supposedly) any emotions equals world's strongest reyvateil. Or did I miss something crucial?

>>13328376

I thought they made her with emotions, they just didn't want her expressing any of the 'pointless' ones like love and friendship or whatever.

>>13328376
>Or did I miss something crucial?
They fucked up.

>>13328376

I take it you didn't bother listening to the explanation behind EXEC_HARMONIOUS then. Or the entire reason why Misha reworded the song when she sang it back at Mir in the final battle.

>>13328470
No I get that well, I just fail to see logic in creating emotionless reyvateil while aiming to make a superior one.

>>13329603
There is no logic, they fucked up. The same thing happens again in AT3 where Tyria was raised without developing her emotions, forcing Kurogane to blow out his face.

>>13331546
Is that why he killed himself?

Honestly, I either never properly understood or have already forgotten. I just played AT3 a few months ago

>>13333523
Don't worry, you are not alone.

>>13331546
...but that's not what happened at all?

Tyria was raised normally (well, normally for a reyvateil at the time), and Kurogane blew his brains out to traumatize her to prevent the tower being created entirely out of spite for having his projects cancelled or be denied funding

KT Europe announced on their Twitter that they'll be announcing their next batch of games over the next few weeks.

Praying for Ar nosurge Plus.

>>13334940
Quick, spam their twitter.

>>13334730
I think that there was a phase where Tyria couldn't sing because she had no emotional attachments.

The reason why Kurogane's funding was cut in the first place was because Tyria didn't show the results she was supposed to, and the reason why Tyria didn't show the results she was supposed to was because she was emotionally neutered.

Being raised as an experimental animal by your abusive father is not a normal relationship.

http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/033/1033929/ -> http://www.siliconera.com/2015/04/15/gust-hope-to-reach-a-new-audience-with-new-atelier-rorona-on-3ds/

>>13339088
Siliconera desperate to get people to not use the Vita

Although their appraisal of Toukiden Kiwami was pretty on the nose.

MH is just better because Toukiden just strips too much out. Shame because it had some good ideas, but it needs a retooling or and overhaul

Anyone have a good source for getting AT2? I tried the one in OP's link, but the torrent is pretty much dead.

>>13339170
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ps2+undub+project
AT1 included.

>>13339170
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ar+tonelico+2+torrent

Does this say that a Shallie anime is in production?

>>13339721
No, it's just some Shallie promotional art that was made by the team that animated the Escha & Logy anime to go with the Shallie game release.

>>13324206
Bumping request for a possible link to the original Class::Exsphere_Nosurge

I neeeeeeed it

This weekend's Flash Sale on US PSN has many (if not all) TK games notably discounted, but none of GUST games are on sale.

>>13344449
Sorry, it's apparently not on any of the OST or Genometric Concert torrents that I have. Couldn't find anything on Jpopsuki either.

Going to Japan soon.

Hope I can find boxes of Ar nosurge and Ciel nosurge. I really want those exclusives.

What's Akira "TOTAL COMMAND" Tsuchiya up to these days?

why is there still no surge concerto art book

i just want muh ion

>>13347647
Coming this June 26, 128 pages:
"Surge Concerto::ntny's Art Works THE FINDER"

>>13347753
holy shit

>>13347753
>Coming this June 26, 128 pages:
>"Surge Concerto::ntny's Art Works THE FINDER"
source?

>>13347753
is it up on amiami or HLJ for pre-order?

>>13347830
It's on Amazon.

>>13347830
>>13347859
Source is from Gust themselves:
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/surge/thanksgiving_cts01

And it's up for preorder from the Gust shop, and from Amazon.co.jp . Not apparently on amiami or HLJ, but I'm not good at searching those.

>>13347963
>http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/surge/thanksgiving_cts01
Thank you

friendly reminder

>>13347753

Thanks for telling us this, I just preordered mine on amazon co jp!

And apparently today was some kind of surge concerto broadcast.

Most important information? They plan another game!

Thanks to aquagon who live tweeted the information

https://twitter.com/aquagon_drag/status/590120309493075968

And another bit of interesting in-game information imo:

We players had all our own ar no surge universe, and our "own" set of characters; By playing the game and logging into the console we apparently created multiple different universes - multiverses.

https://twitter.com/aquagon_drag/status/590118578147459072

>>13351942
My life has meaning again.

>>13351942
>Most important information? They plan another game!
There is a god.

>>13351942
>We players had all our own ar no surge universe, and our "own" set of characters; By playing the game and logging into the console we apparently created multiple different universes - multiverses.
This was pretty obvious though. Seven dimensions, etc.

>>13350532
bully totori all you want but leave mimi out of this

They're talking about Sharl nosurge. Am I being rused?
http://may.2chan.net/b/res/326589137.htm

>>13352342
OP later apologized, so I think it was either an error or a joke.

But I'm waiting for Atelier Sarly.

>>13352415
Would be really cute.

>tfw all of the recent events only apply to the online version of Ciel nosurge
>tfw they said to get the offline version
Welp.

>>13351942
>every player has their own unique versions of Nero and Ion
I can see where they are going with Ion, but Nero? It's not like your could romance her anyway.. or could you?

I'm not quite sure how they link it to the next game tho.

Anyone know where the Keihan generator and world setting wiki that aquagon mentioned are?

>>13350532
Nigga I will destroy you.

>>13351942
>Most important information? They plan another game!
You'd best not be funnin me

>>13353669

I'm just telling you what aquagon tweeted today

Remember what was said at the start of the year.
>Akira Tsuchiya (Gust) - The company doesn’t have the financial means to buy VR hardware, but would love to make a game with it where you can flirt with girls down the line. It’s also working on a game that will make people turn their heads, as it’s not thematically in their normal wheelhouse.

>>13352817
I'm guessing it's because the online players sinked a lot more money into this game compared to the offline players.

Understandable.

>>13353797
Isn't being able to experience the game early and while it was being released enough?

I'm a little bitter, as you can tell.

>>13353739
concerto fps coming soon

>>13352854
World setting wiki at
http://www.genomirai.com/WorldSettingDocument/

>>13354339
Thanks, I found it. Keihan generator is at
http://www.genomirai.com/WorldSettingDocument/language/
Time to figure out how Keihan words work

>>13354373
>Keihan generator is at
>http://www.genomirai.com/WorldSettingDocument/language/
FINALLY. I tried to put together how the keihan symbols fit together to form word fragments but I'm not a cryptologist or anything and the rules I thought I had found would just be destroyed by the next proper keihan sentence I found.

Things like the placement order or the direction the symbols are rotated were just maddening. Some symbols even change form slightly in certain positions

>>13354450
I plan on figuring out how they fit together exactly soon. I think I already figured out the two-character pairs.

>>13354613
Then tell me what determines when the two characters are side-by-side or one-on-top-of-the-other

>>13354633
I'm still working on it.
http://pastebin.com/kzQQkwp5

>>13354633
Might have figured out three character clusters too.

http://felesatra.moe/keihan.html

Please send me counter examples if my rules don't work.

>>13353362
Say that to my face, faggot. Not online and see what happens.

Is a vita worth it just to have Atelier on the go? The games don't have a million save points so it is hard to just play for 5 minutes without wasting days unless you are synthesizing or doing requests.

>>13357391
Can't you save any time you're on the map? Eitherway the vita has suspend function so you can just play on and off for a few days without needing to save.

>>13357399
Eh, really? I did not know either was a feature, I thought you could only save at shop. I didn't know the vita could just suspend the game like that.

>>13357408
>I didn't know the vita could just suspend the game like that.
What? Portable consoles had that feature since at least the PSP/DS. I don't remember of the GBA SP had that feature since I only owned the regular GBA.

>>13357470
The regular GBA is the last handheld I have owned so this is news to me. That makes it worth buying then.

>>13357470
Some GBA games had a suspend/quick save that allowed you to save out of save points. That save was deleted as soon as you loaded.

What's GUST's next game?

>>13357698
Mana Khemia 3. I want to believe.

>>13357814
>Mana nosurge

>>13357825
I'm completely ok with that.

>>13357825
mana nosales

>>13357698
Arland Nosurge

>>13358073
>All of GUST's franchises are set in EXA_PICO
There is no COMMAND more TOTAL than this.

>>13358073
Ar Cieland

>>13357698
Cross nosurge

>>13357698
Chronos Materia

>>13357698
>>13357814
>>13357825
>>13357869
>>13358073
>>13358493
But seriously, what's with the Atelier series? There's still no info on the next game, is there? (Not counting Rorona 3DS.)

>>13359336
With how vanilla Rorona turned out when they rushed to try to maintain yearly summer releases, they're probably waiting an extra year this time while they move to PS4.

>>13359393
If anything they'll probably let Surge Concerto take the hit of any PS3->PS4 gen-crossing janky-ness.

Looking forward to Qoga Nosurge, guys?

>>13361338
Hopefully it will be a smoother process now that they have KT's tools to work with. I guess that's the one good thing about the acquisition.

>>13361338
Nay and Ion are pretty much purged already, not much clothing you can take off.

>>13361486
It will be Tyria all over again.

>>13281315
Me on the right.

>>13361338
>Looking forward to Qoga Nosurge, guys?
Are the girls going to be just as terrible?

Ladies and gentlemen, Ar nosurge player 2.

>>13361774
Sounds about right. He certainly fucking sounded like that type.

>>13361785
The skit at the end of the Surge Concerto History stream was great. His supa hacka skills synced up with Prim's static outbursts and his mom pulled the cord making him lose his connection. Fucking hilarious. I'm so glad that they did this.

>>13361800
Wait, what's this? I need to see

>>13361810
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/surge/thanksgiving_cts03
It was a stream on Nicolive that aired last night. Showing off the ntny artbook, talking about the reminiscing about the series, and a funny skit at the end with player 2. Though it won't be much use to you unless you have a premium account, blackraen on the ARM forums will share a recording soon.

>>13361810
>>13361816

http://youtu.be/3Hq-gx0UzeU

>>13361857
>http://youtu.be/3Hq-gx0UzeU
Huh, he's a lot... quieter than I imagined

Are normal airships able to travel between the continents in Ar Tonelico? And are they discreet, seeing how someone like Laude can infiltrate to Grand Bell.

>>13362851
Depends on what you mean by normal, but yes, it was done many times by different parties even after the Seven Bloodstains Incident and the Grathnode Inferia.

How discreet they are would depend on the size of the continent and the quality of their border control, seeing as how Cocona was caught under Sol Cluster's fascist-like regime and Loude/Jakuri were not during Metafalica's political unstability.

>>13352817
>all of the recent events
Hmm? I only see the bonus Sharl from the thanksgiving event. What else is there?

>>13365243

They were also granting x4 HymP during the event as well. Big money!

>>13365243
I think Ion's Last Message is also for online only.

>>13365390
I just checked, you need to have a completed Online save to enter the event.

>>13363424

I mean something smaller than mothership but bigger than airbuses.

And is there any normal routes for people to get on, even if it's rare? Kind of hard to see how they allow Cocona to ride on to different continent, unless Mir set something up for her(Cocona's doing her a favor after all).

>>13366040
>And is there any normal routes for people to get on, even if it's rare?
I'm pretty sure there are. If you read the histories, there's quite a bit of political trouble caused by immigrants to/from the different regions, especially Sol Cluster/Sol Ciel since they hate each others' guts.

>I mean something smaller than mothership but bigger than airbuses.
Are those supposed to be standard aircraft sizes?

The largest ships they have the technology to produce are probably the ones in AT3 or the one in AT2 used during the mid-game. So mothership is out of the question. There are special small ships that can do it, like K&R's tiny ship, but I would guess normal traffic involves medium sized ships (think the size of sea-faring wooden ships).

>>13366084
>the one in AT2 used during the mid-game.

That's the mothership I talked about. I can't find the exact measurement of how large typical commercial airships is, so is it safe to assume that the size is comparable to an office building?

>>13367220
>Dat orgel disc
Hehehe

>>13367220

Probably. Been a while since I played the game I seem to recall it being pretty big.

>>13367220
>That's the mothership I talked about.
You have low standards. I tend to think of motherships as something like the Soreil or a continent-sized ship.

>>13369179

>>13369179

I tend to think so too, especially after playing Homeworld, but I called it a mothership because the game and book translation called it so. And Soreil is called a colony ship in the wiki(which is fitting, they carried colonist from Ra Ciela).

Just a friendly reminder that Origa is DEAD

>>13378152
Is that supposed to be a BBQ soda?

>>13378292
Anyone else irritated that there was the region of Sol Ciel and Sol Cluster, but then the second region is named Metafalss yet there is a Sol Marta but it's a satellite?

It just doesn't work out properly

>>13378324
Metafalss is generally very culturally distinct from other regions. Sol Marta was built there by Sol Ciel when they decided to build there second tower which did not quite worked.

>>13378324
It makes it more realistic. Naming all of them using the same pattern would feel too contrived, like middle school level fantasy writing. Countries/regions do not spontaneous follow the same naming scheme, just look at our planet.

>>13359393
>move to PS4
Please no

>>13378292
>Is that supposed to be a BBQ soda?
Yes. Someone made a real one, albeit changing the recipe enough for it to actually be... edible? is that even the right word for BBQ Soda?

I've made jelly soda before by mixing Sprite and blue jello mix.

It ends up pleasantly fizzy, tastes great when added to cocktails and looks very pretty too.

>>13381988
>changing the recipe
boo
Maybe I should try making one.

>>13383089
The recipes in the games involve ingredients that don't exit in the real world, but if you have a source of, for example, grathnodes, go for it.

The picture I posted earlier has only mundane ingredients, but leaves out what exactly you do with the cow.

Is she honest to god gay for Totori or she just a not very honest with herself/shy friend?

>>13388136
Totori-era Mimi is arguable. Meruru-era Mimi clearly wants to be more than a friend; you don't just hang out right outside of your friend's place all day.

Totori, on the other hand, sees her as nothing more than a friend, in either game. Shows no romantic interest whatsoever in her.

>>13383089
I was thinking the same thing. Would it really be that hard? You just need to make sure the beef slices are thin and tender, and prepared BBQ style (sweet savory). Should be the same as taking a bite of BBQ and a swing of soda at the same time.

Does anyone have a link to the Nichijou x Ar tonelico MAD on nico? it's from july 2011 I think