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Very offensive image, please delete.

>>13636646
>brutal and unforviging
>bomb spam
>life stocking
>infinite continues
>enemies die in one hit
>not even hard
I'm glad lolk fixed this shit.

true tbh smh

How is it unforgiving? In the newest game you can't game over and have too many auto save states. With that it's impossible to not make it to the end.

>>13636646
Nice secondary image OP

kuso thread

>>13636749
Still offensive. Here, let me fix it.

>>13636670
You also can't game over in Super Meat Boy or IWBTG. Clearly unforgiving games.

>>13636833
The "Too Bad" with exclamation mark still seems pretty aggressive and triggers me, please remove.

>>13636852
Okay, I changed it to a period, and changed "bullet hell" to "bullet fun."

Also I think the "you" is presumptuous, so I removed it.

>>13636919
You should remove brutal and unforgiving too, those words remind me of rape.

>>13636919
>>13636926
Get rid of the bullet and shooter, it invokes gun violence.

Reminder that aspiring trips like to reply to themselves using mobile devices.

>>13636942
The word "Touhou" is just too weeaboo-ist tbh, and that's toxic cultural approcimation.

>>13636956
And the anime girls create an unrealistic standard of beauty and undoubtedly trigger people with different body types.

>>13636953
>being this much of a newfag
>not knowing who Gensokyo Lovely Maiden is

>>13636981
Who ye quoting?

Tbh, the picture should be changed to a black background (to remind us the hardship of black people) with brown words that say:
"You thought it was fun and cozy game? Sorry, it's Eastern, a fun and cozy game!"

To avoid making people feel bad.

add the are you frustrated face

>>13636663
You know, just because a game has lots of bombs and continues, doesn't mean you need to use them. Try going for an lunatic no bombs 1cc, or play for score.

Touhou games aren't even close to the toughest shmups out there. Most players of the genre consider CAVE and Raizing games to be quite a bit more difficult, especially in the titles with second loops. I think some of the Lunatic difficulties can get quite tough there, especially with SA and DDC, or the extra stages.

>>13636845
Those games are based on trial and error and take no skill (also they were made by very stupid people), unlike Touhou.

>>13637638
Touhou is literal memorization though
It's also trial and error, just in a different way. Some IWBTH hacks are harder than most touhous

>>13637645
High skill players can get through many things in Touhou on the first try. Not true for "hardest game evar!!" T&E games.

>>13637645
Haha oh man, you're cute.

>>13637676
I cleared the majority of touhou games on normal and hard. I'm not saying it doesn't require skill, but it is certainly very much about pattern memorizations. Trial and error because you die a lot of times and as time passes you learn patterns and the way to go through them. Also that IWBTH Kamillia hack has insanely hard bosses, and when I say "harder than most touhous" I obviously don't mean lunatic UFO and similars. Those are legitimately hard and comparable to ura loop difficulties, specially if we're talking about a no bomb no ufo

Please don't feed this shitty tumblr thread whose purpose was reminding you the stupid trip existed and also bait people who actually tried to get good at the game

>>13637692
While your opinion is completely wrong and biased for all eternity, I'll tell you this. Get Len'en 4's demo and play it. All the stages are randomly generated so there's no memorization possible. Enjoy it.

>>13637668
Are we talking about transferable/non-transferable skills and comparing difficulty, or are we talking about LoLK apparently not being unforgiving because you "can't game over" and have save points? I get the feeling you've shifted the discussion.

>>13637645
I'm the one that mentioned the two games as a counterexample and can tell you right now that Touhou is a series with relatively little memo relative to other STGs.

>>13638138
Len'en is a pile of poorly-designed garbage, especially the recent one. Suggesting it for anything besides "don't do this" is laughable, so I hope you aren't serious in thinking it illustrates some sort of point.

DELETE THIS

>>13638771
How is it not memorization though?
As I've said,
>you die a lot of times and as time passes you learn patterns and the way to go through them.
For example, I remember struggling a lot with Orin in SA's 5th stage. I played countless time against her and what I did was watch replays of other players and see how they evaded her spellcards. Then I applied their evasion pattern to the game and succesfully defeated her. How is this not memorization + trial and error? Don't people memorize where the enemies will spawn when they're aiming for higher scores? If you're talking about survival play I can understand, because that has a lot of space to create general strategies that work in several cases.

God tier: Toaplan / Cave (pre-PGM) / Raizing

High Tier: Psikyo / Seibu / Cave (post-PGM) / Technosoft

Medium Tier: Taito / Treasure / Takumi / Irem / NMK / G-Rev

Low Tier: Konamishmups

Shit Tier: Euroshmups

Trash tier: Doujin shmups (Team Shanghai Alice, Siter-Skain, Edelweiss etc.)

>>13636845
I enjoyed Super Meat Boy. It's not unforgiving at all. IWBTG on the other hand is a dumb meme game where the main gimmick are traps, you can't really compare that with SMB or 2hu.

>>13636981
>newfag
You and the trip should still be lurking.

>>13639689
Was this supposed to be ironic or why do people like cave shooters? I always wanna puke if i see these bright colored, blinking and pulsating projectiles all over the place together with the voice spamming. For people who just watch it looks crazy or kills the bitrate and for people who play this is literally eye and ear cancer.

>>13639689
Not with that image am I going to be convinced!

How the fuck is memorization a bad thing?

Honestly, Touhou requires very, very little memorization compared to most other shmups. If you think Touhou is memorization heavy, it's probably because you're using memorization as a clutch to make up for the fact that you don't have fundamental STG skills.

Even the gimmick stuff isn't hard and usually easy to figure out on the first try. I know people that have 1cc'd games on Hard/Lunatic/Extra on a blind run.

Honestly, Touhou requires very, very little memorization compared to most other STGs. If you think Touhou is memorization heavy, it's probably because you're using memorization as a crutch to make up for the fact that you don't have fundamental STG skills.

Even the gimmick stuff isn't hard and usually easy to figure out on the first try. I know people that have 1cc'd games on Hard/Lunatic/Extra on a blind run.

>>13639660
By that logic, aren't all games memorization?

>>13636663
>Uses bombs
>Uses fucking continues
lel, nerd.

>>13639660
>How is it not memorization though?
I never said Touhou didn't have memorization, or even that it didn't have heavy memorization. But relative to other STGs it relies less on memo and more on other things. Again, you seem to have veered into your own topic.