/jp/ - Otaku Culture

It doesn't affect Touhou worth a shit because ZUN offers all prospective creators of Touhou Project secondary the rights to create it.

It has the potential to shit on all sorts of other doujinshi, vastly extend copyright protections, and make it even more illegal to break DRM, but these don't affect Touhou either.

>>13838159
It's bad, but not for 2hu.

>>13838169
>>13838178

Only until 2hu changes it.

Zun will probably stop in protest after other doujin makers get fucked in the ass.

how can I fight it?

>>13838242
Write your local representative if you're a member of a nation which is party to the TPP.

>>13838251
Unfortunately, I do not belong to this set of nations.

>>13838253
Beats me. You could try and mobilize people on the internet, but then you'd be one of _those_ people.

>>13838261
The only place on the internet where I hang out and actively post (instead of just lurking) is 4chan.

I have nothing else.

>>13838272
Your only remaining options are to pray, cry, or try and mobilize 4chan.

I suggest crying.

>>13838242
You can't. Japanese are spineless ninny who can't even try to stand up for what is right for them because they have to abide to the concept of stability first rather than individualism.

>>13838304
You cannot talk like this when only Japan and Canada (not exactly the freest of states with their shitty porn laws) are remotely against this.

The world submits, anon.

>>13838242
Create your own underground criminal doujin circle and fight the power.
This is what you get for voting neocons into power all over the world

Some more information about TPP if someone doesn't know
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

>>13838324

Japan is a US vassal state so they can never put up any genuine resistance to TPP unfortunately.

Same reason the Abe administration just re-militarized the country despite it being in violation of the constitution and public opinion.

Maybe otaku culture will come from China in the future.

>>13838351
I support Abe's rearm of Japan but not this shit.

>>13838351
>Maybe otaku culture will come from China in the future.
How horrifying.

Thanks America.

>>13838351
>>13838355
Abraham Lincoln?

>>13838432
Google Japan Abe.

>>13838434
I asked ``Abraham Lincoln?''.

>>13838443
That dude is dead.

>>13838445
Who's dead?

>>13838447
Abraham Lincoln.

>>13838451
Abe?

>>13838453
Yes?

>>13838461
Who?

>>13838159
fuck off back to /a/

>>13838453

Who's on first?

>>13838464
Abe.

nigger

>>13838159
ZUN actively allows doujin products.

The ones getting fucked is the rest of the Comiket, unless companies actually start allowing derivate works.

>>13838467
This concerns doujin culture, which is /jp/'s domain.

It makes more sense to talk about this here than /a/.

>>13838477
/jp/ rarely actually discusses doujinshi as a whole. As with /a/, the vast majority of discussion is of franchise-specific works in franchise-specific threads. Even when discussing Comiket (which us hugely relevant to /jp/) the vast majority of everything is Touhou.

I guess every now and then you get some huge Touhou vs Kancolle shitfest but both endorse doujinshi so that particular line isn't relevant.

>>13838477
Did you miss the point intentionally? The topic is not the problem, OP coming straight from /a/ is the problem.

>>13838508
How do you know if you don't browse /a/?

>>13838513
How do I know, indeed. Obviously he could have just randomly pushed some buttons on his keyboard that completely incidentally formed a link to an /a/ thread on the same subject. Silly me, why did I not consider the possibility.

>>13838489
At least /jp/ plays more doujin games (doujin VNs in particular) than /a/.

The latest we know is
https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip2/

Japan was one of the objectioners. However considering Abe's later America trip advocating the plan it likely means they collapsed on the objections in exchange for US's no comment stature on Japanese militarization.

>>13838469
Who

>>13838773
Hopefully this doesn't create more schism between the public and the glorious Jap-Murican alliance.

Civil problem right during when China is starting shit.

Sounds pretty good

>>13838342
>neocons
Obama is a neocon now?

>>13839085
USA's left/dems might as well be right wing for us europeans

>>13838773
>in exchange for US's no comment stature on Japanese militarization
If anything the US support Japan's re-militarization, just as we want NATO countries to spend >2% of GDP on their militaries.

It's over

They're just gonna have to draw porn of original characters, I guess?

ISIS was right, Al Qaeda was right, anyone who opposed America was right.

Should have fucking let America get nuked so the world actually would be free.

>>13839850
Everybody wants to destroy America, but nobody wants to do anything about it.

>>13838467
Next time you click a thread you dislike hold shift while doing so. What you're trying to accomplish holds no merit.

>>13838261
You know, I've always wondered what makes Internet Activism so hated on 4chan. I mean, for most boards it is off-topic and that is that. But is it just because people don't like to have shit thrown in their face, or is there a more ideological reason?

>>13839850
>ISIS
>Al Qaeda
Good luck showing doujinshi to them. They don't even allow TV

>>13843415
>You know, I've always wondered what makes Internet Activism so hated on 4chan

Because "activism" on 4chan = Board raids, Scientology protests, gamergate shit, and general calling for dox and ddosing servers. The history of stupid shit people have done and laid the blame on all the members of 4chan instead of their stupid selves has make any sort of group 4chan thing hated.

>>13838324
I thought Caesar Harper was all for the TPP?

How to fight the TPP
1. Do nothing because America, Japan, and all other western nations are oligarchies controlled by the very wealthy
2. Do not care because enforcement of this will be a nightmare

>>13838197
Doujin works and art is ZUN's greatest marketing asset. Forbidding his fans from openly singing his praises is foolish.

Just look at what happened to the Warhammer 40k franchise.

>>13844135
Yup. In short:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXCr6upWUo

>>13838242
Too late.

If you are not clear on what's going on here are two articles that shed some light on the matter:

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/05/02/dojinshi-fans-worry-trade-pact-could-be-the-end-of-comiket-but-is-the-fear-founded-in-reality/

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/07/25/thousands-sign-petition-against-tpps-supposed-copyright-conditions/

Sign this:

http://thinktppip.jp/?page_id=604&lang=en

It's an appeal to amend some parts of the TTP to be less nonsense. Please mention your feelings on the extension of copyright from Japans 50 years to Amerikkkas 70 years (it's bullshit).

Please mention that the provisions that allow legal action without the notification of the defendant is bullshit.

Please mention the negative effects it would have on independent artists and small entrepreneurs.

Remember friends, it may be useless in the end but it is important to show your disapproval, at least you can say you tried to protect your hobby.

>>13844138
>Just look at what happened to the Warhammer 40k franchise.
And why would anybody on /jp/ be familiar with that stuff? Explain what you mean with that.

>>13844135
This. This is one of those "go ahead and try" situations, like banning alcohol or sliced bread or something. Drugs, porn, and piracy are wars that cannot be won.

>>13844227
Games Workshop became too stringent regarding their IP. But the least exposure you get, the least people will get to know about you. The other problem was that GW did extremely shoddy jobs regarding their figures, so the fans preferred to make their own This launched volleys of C&D orders from GW, which in turn alienated many fans, because the "official" figures are extremely expensive, nevermind the books.

One of the few reasons they still keep a fanbase is because of games done with their universe. Otherwise, very little people would care about them.

So does anyone know the current state of the tpp? I know they had the meeting in hawaii but I really can't find any info about this and it honestly terrifies me. I;'ve done all I know to do in calling my representatives.

It's a reminder that democracy may not be the best system.

>>13846002
This is not democracy, it's a capitalist oligarchy or something.

>>13838351
Canada is a vassal state but we're fighting.

>>13846022
Why does everyone, even after 2500 years, still tries to imagine democracy as a sort of magical and perfect system where everyone is happy and where nothing bad ever happens? Every time someone says something bad about it, people try to justify that it's not 'true' democracy.

>>13846109
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/07/canada-set-cave-copyright-term-extension-tpp

We're in an election and Harper is waiting until he wins again so he can break his non-promises to right-leaning tech libertarians who usually donate to the party.

>>13846144
It's more that the expectation is that the party elected democratically is obligated to actually act in the interest of those who elected them.

>>13846388
Election in America isn't a democratic process though. I'm not defending democracy, there's no democracy to defend.

>>13846388
>>13846391
Uh, so Obama didn't do anything that pleased its electors?

>>13846391
And why aren't the elections in the USA democratic? And please, do it without embarking on one of those crazy conspiracy theories.

>>13846412
While they are democratic in a sense that they're elected by a group of people, the group of people who they're elected by are a small group of representatives, not all of whom are obligated to vote for who the majority of the public voted for. That is, who the public voted for may not necessarily be who is elected.

This is besides the obvious lack of any real choice to begin with due to the two-party monopoly on presidency.

>>13846991
This is the end result of elective democracy, the ones who are elected control the election system.

Every system has its flaws, just that democracy has the least.

>>13847080
Italy's system is an actual democracy, not what you have.

>>13847084
>Italy
>Government makes laws to make Berlusconi immune to prosecution
>Berlusconi owns all the media so he can feed anything he wants to the population
Cool democracy. It's corrupt as fuck

Since US is the global hegemony, I wish your citizens would be required to be informed about your votes. In most other countries they voters at least just fuck up their own country by voting for corrupt demagogues, but the US ends up fucking over everyone.

>>13847158
If you don't like it, overthrow it. Don't have the power? Shuddup.

>>13838159
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure discussing it on 4chan won't change a thing

>>13847199
oh never mind we're at the point when useless neet scums are talking about politics they are somehow conservative.
Pls carry on

>>13846388
That's representative democracy, there are many other forms of democracy that haven't been put into practice yet, don't know if it'll ever happen but it's a good idea to consider them

This is going to be one of those "Pfft, oh yeah, that" laws right? Like television license fees? Right?

>>13847158
>I wish your citizens would be required to be informed about your votes.
Unfortunately we're heavily bogged down with retards, there isn't shit the educated man can do if they're trapped in poverty. Nepotism runs rampant.

>>13847281
I can't think of a single NEET who's going to comply with that crock of shit. At least until the random imprisonments start and even then everyone will just move to VPN's until the bastards ban that too. The Site operators are the ones who need to be concerned.

>>13845069
They also
>shut down a large number on fansites
>shut down the official forums rather then bother moderating it
>sue anyone who uses the phrase "space marine", even in areas they have no legal right to do so.
>When that doesn't work they renamed everything in the game to something dumb-sounding, but copyright-able (i.e. Imperial Guard -> Astra Militarium and High Elves -> Aelfs)
>Refuse to do previews or even announce their releases more than a month in advance (they think it generates more hype if people have no idea when new products are coming out)
>Produce a large number of "Limited editiion", "webstore exclusive" (As in only their webstore), and even "warhammer world exclusive" (their flagship store attached to their corporate office) models
>Pull support for slightly less popular armies, rulesets, and entire games, then pull the rules from their website, then C&D people trying to discuss the dead games online.
>Openly mock the fanbase in leaked corporate communications
>Switch to cheaper, lower quality materials while simultaneously raising prices
>Fight piracy by raising prices
>Charge Australians more than double the rest of the world
>Shit all over their vendors and distributors constantly

Warhammer fans have Stockholm syndrome worse than people who keep buying Sonic games.

>>13848072
>sue anyone who uses the phrase "space marine", even in areas they have no legal right to do so.
Are there any ares where they have the right to do so? Isn't that from Starship Troopers?

>>13848512
In literature yes, they can't rightfully claim it. Doesn't stop them from going after people who can't afford to lawyer up and fight them.

As far as I understand they have to trademark each medium individually, so they have it for tabletop games, video games (hence why they hd to call the crappy ailien game "colonial marines" where the alien toys used to be called space marines), and pen and paper RPGs.

>>13848512
Space Marine is honestly not copy writeable. They can assert it and force people to either comply or get into a lengthy legal battle, but if you fought them for long enough, they'd prolly lose. Term is too generic and old.

>>13850590
Copyright-able. Damn autocorrect.