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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>16579621

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs and anime.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね!!!

>> No.16601804

Has anyone got some good variety recommendations for listening practice? Some shows I've watched so far and enjoy include Monitoring, Knight Scoop, and Suiyoubi no Downtown.

>> No.16601828
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Try taking the N1 (or whatever level) sample quiz at http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/forlearners.html.. I did pretty well, but this is definitely harder than the real N1. I think my biggest problem rather than reading comprehension is speed. On the actual N1 I don't know how well I would be able to read the longer passages within the time limit.

>> No.16601837

>>16601828

>this is definitely harder than the real N1

*easier, oops

>> No.16601870
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What level are you on according to this chart?

>> No.16601884

>>16601870
6, hanahira

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>>16601884
kakkoii!!!

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>>16601870
unironic version

>> No.16601993

左保神の別れかなしも来ん春にふたえび逢はんわれならなくに

looking at masaoka shiki's poetry
this one in particular I'm having a hard time with, I would be grateful if anyone could help translate it

>> No.16602004

>>16601870
Only Hello Lady is worth reading lol

>> No.16602019

>>16602004
did you just imply that 3, 4, and 5 aren't worth reading

>> No.16602023
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>>16602019
2 , 3, 4 and 5 aren't worth reading

>> No.16602044

>>16601870
>>16601963
Both of these are terrible and wrong.

>> No.16602045

>>16602044
You're terrible and wrong until you make and post a better one.

>> No.16602164

>>16601870
>>16602044
Why are you so obsessed with others? Focus on your own studies.

It would be the best to leave this thread.

>> No.16602167

>>16602164
first guy you quoted knows japanese

>> No.16602178

I'm looking for a specific word. . .I think it means to "explain" and it sounds like しあしたい I can't for the life of me find it in any dictionary.

>> No.16602183

>>16602178
Give the source / rest of the sentence? Use your brain mate.

>> No.16602186

>>16602183
https://youtu.be/UrH_JlwZY-g?t=57s

She uses it around 1 min

>> No.16602196

>>16602178
シェアする

>> No.16602199

>>16602196
Oh so I was looking for an English word.

Fuck this shitty language lol

>> No.16602204

>>16602186
シェアしたい

...share [with the viewers in this case]

>> No.16602230

>>16602167
Cool. Will he help me with my reseach proposal?

>> No.16602385

Any tips for a JLPT self-learner, anons? I'm currently studying toward N4, and planning to take N3 mid-year. I know it's going to be a long road to get there, which is why I'm in the middle of creating a study plan, which is about 3-4 hours a day. Any recommendations on the study plan? (or mind sharing yours?) Currently, I'm just doing DoJG, core10k, and KKLC anki. I will have to insert reading/listening material to it since I'm still sucks at both of these, in addition to doing kanzen master.

Also, what are a good way to polish your writing skills? I saw website like lang-8/hello-talk, but I'm not sure how useful it is. Maybe I can just write anything daily in diary-style?

>> No.16602400

>>16602385
Read Yotsuba and Flyable Heart.

>> No.16602413

>>16602385
You really don't need Kanzen Master for N4 or N3, just read every day.

>> No.16602463

>>16602385
Never allow real content exposure (eg reading) to occupy less than 50% of your study time. It should be those other things that you try to squeeze in afterwards.
Having said that, of course you shouldn't ever skip a day of anki. The idea is to set the new card rate to something that can be got out of the way easily, but you might find a bit difficult with 3 decks on the go.

>> No.16602567

>>16602186
びみょうになまってる

アメリカなまりかな

第二外国語が日本語かも

>> No.16602606 [DELETED] 

> 16602400
> 16602463
Thank you for the advice. I will prioritize my time on reading.

> 16602413
I already purchased Kanzen Master reading & grammar up to N1 (>.<) and downloaded the rest on CoR. Besides, I have been reading DoJG without doing any practice, so I thought doing Kanzen would help me solidify my understanding (I used to study through textbook, and found the practice/drill section to be useful). I guess reading a lot might be sufficient too.

>> No.16602617 [DELETED] 

>> 16602400
>> 16602463
Thank you for the advice. I will prioritize my time on reading.

>> 16602413
I already purchased Kanzen Master reading & grammar up to N1 (>.<) and downloaded the rest on CoR. Besides, I have been reading DoJG without doing any practice, so I thought doing Kanzen would help me solidify my understanding (I used to study through textbook, and found the practice/drill section to be useful). I guess reading a lot might be sufficient too.

>> No.16602629

>>16602400
>>16602463
Thank you for the advice. I will prioritize my time on reading.

>>16602413
I already purchased Kanzen Master reading & grammar up to N1 (>.<) and downloaded the rest on CoR. Besides, I have been reading DoJG without doing any practice, so I thought doing Kanzen would help me solidify my understanding (I used to study through textbook, and found the practice/drill section to be useful). I guess reading a lot might be sufficient too.

>> No.16602682

>>16601993
ふたたび逢はん

だとおもうよ。佐保神の~は別れのまくらことばなのかなあ

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Humans are obsolete.

>> No.16602751

>>16601993
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/sakuramitih26/62546857.html

>> No.16602763

>>16602743

I thought google translate was supposed to be good now.

>> No.16602772

>>16602743
Where on earth did it get "do not" dislike?

>> No.16602808

>>16601993
>>16602682
いのちをつかうときがきたのだという決意なのかな

>さくらのしたでまたうまれかわってあいましょう

ソメイヨシノがふくらみはじめたよ

よやくした?日本旅行?

>> No.16602866

おにいちゃん

にほんでカレーたべよ

あたしもとなりでたべていい?

>> No.16602962

>>16602866
インドのカレーのほうがずっと美味しいわよ

>> No.16602999

>>16602866
>>16602962
>庶民的な食べ物
貧乏なのかな、ふたりとも

>> No.16603022

>>16602999
きめつけはよくない

ちくわのいそべあげもつけたカレーがいいな

>> No.16603445

today i learned ニキビ from shoujo anime

>> No.16603487
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>> No.16603509

>>16603445
にきびはこのよからなくなればいい

>> No.16603636

>>16603445

陰嚢

>> No.16603674

おにーちゃん

おかしー

ちょこー

>> No.16603757
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>>16603487

>> No.16603901

>>16603636
無礼講

>> No.16604051

Is Chaos;Child a hard read? I kind of want to try to schlep my way through it.

>> No.16604127

>>16604051
It's pretty hard, you have to read Taku's handwriting and choose the correct notes, and there's one part you have to identify places in Shibuya by name on a map and you get eaten by dinosaurs if you get it wrong.

>> No.16604143

「温泉好き高校生・草津熱美(くさつ あたみ)は、地方の温泉に向かう途中で死んでしまい、異世界の温泉に転生してしまった! 戸惑う彼の前に、エルフ冒険者・レティシア、巨乳の神官・クム、小さな村長・チーチクといった美少女たちが次々と現れ、温泉(熱美)の常連となる。彼女たちを虜にしたのは、熱美の特殊な “効能” だった。

体力魔力の即時回復や一時上昇、状態異常回復などの効果が、入るだけであるというからみんな大歓喜! そんな可愛い女の子たちが、熱美の中へ入れば当然……『硬度が上昇しました』『水質変化し、牛乳風呂になります』――って待って! 硬くなって白く濁るとか、それはダメだから! ところが大人気の熱美温泉に次々とトラブルが起きて……?」

『硬度が上昇しました』
>his stiffness goes up when they enter him

『水質変化し、牛乳風呂になります』
>the water turns into milk

literally what

>> No.16604183

>>16604127
ah well, thanks. I was starting to watch the anime and I thought I'd take a stab at the game. I remember there was some way to get both subtitles to come up in Nekopara maybe I'll just do that for now.

>> No.16604303

>>16604143
わからなくてもいいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>> No.16604441

I would like to play evenicle or kamikaze explorer, which one of those is easier? Or are both on about the same level of difficulty?

>> No.16604456

Is there a production deck out there? I'd rather not reverse the deck individually.

>> No.16604491

>>16604441

I don't know about the other one but I've been playing evenicle for a while now and I'm having a blast. It's actually fun and interesting so reading doesn't feel like a chore. I recommend it regardless of if you find it hard or not. That being said I find it pretty easy to read.

>> No.16604505

>>16604456
Check the Anki manual, you can easily reverse all the cards.

It's a waste of time though because you'll learn to produce all those common words in Core or whatever just by reading.

>> No.16604511

>>16604491
Who's your favourite girl and why is it リッシュ?

>> No.16604531

>>16604456
You can add a second set of cards from your current decks with their fields in whatever order. Then sort them out into their own deck. Would only take a few minutes max.

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>>16604511

They all kind of have their moments but I knew from the start.

>> No.16604612

いまから買い弁なんだけど

なにたべたらいいかな

>> No.16604622

>>16604612
寿司

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16604678

>>16604574
Good taste friend

>> No.16604754

>>16604622
寿司は弁当にはいりません

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any other image set for 10k. something less horrifying?

>> No.16604781

>>16604778
What the fuck is with your formatting.

>> No.16604789

>>16604778
The images are garbage. Just delete them all.

>> No.16604795

>>16604789
The pictures are fine. You have shit taste.

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>>16604622
弁当になる寿司もあるんだけどね

あのんくんが知ってるスシとはかなりちがうんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

こういうのだよ

>> No.16604868

Okay could someone quickly tell me if AI-chans channel on youtbue is an AI altogether or is it just a Voice artist or actor using VR and animation to make videos?
And if so is her character always referencing in 1st or 3rd person, by this I mean Does she ever reference her VA or creator?

https://youtu.be/W7Du_Yw7hZU

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I Would never leave someone so loving and loyal as Holo the wise wolf...

And those who have should be ashamed in having lost faith in our goddess.

>> No.16604943 [DELETED] 

>>16604938
woops wrong thread.
apologies /djt/

>> No.16605159

おにいちゃん

おんぶー

>> No.16605223

>>16605159
君は太いすぎておんぶするわけがないでしょう。

>> No.16605287

>>16605223
みたことあんのかコラー

>> No.16605297

What's the fastest way to grind kanji for somebody who already has N2 level speaking and listening? My only problem is that I don't know how to read what I know how to speak.

Should I just rote grind the kanji with writing drills and flash card drills until I catch my reading up?

>> No.16605308

>>16605287
姿を見なかったけど書方だけでソウゾウできるよ。

>> No.16605313

>>16605297
Nah, just do vocab flash cards. Should be a breeze if you already know the readings.

>> No.16605321

>>16605313
My kanji is REALLY bad because I never bothered to learn any. I'm still only on Kyoiku Grade 4.

I finally got tired of asking my wife to read things for me and decided to buckle down.

>> No.16605324

>>16605223
Should be 太過ぎる.

>> No.16605335

>>16604868
just using cheap motion capture tech to animate a character. i think the lip sync is even entirely procedural, and just based off of the voice audio

>> No.16605339

>>16605324
だれのあしがだいこんだコラー

>> No.16605344

>>16605324
U mean I've misused the Kanji or it was a grammatical error?

>> No.16605360

>>16605344
When using すぎる, you need to remove the final い from an i-adjective.

For example, 弱い becomes 弱すぎる.

As for the kanji, it is often written both in kanji or in hiragana, so don't worry so much about that.

>> No.16605378

>>16602385
>KKLC anki
Where do I find that deck?

>> No.16605379

>>16605360
ことばがすぎるよ

>> No.16605383

>>16605378
Not sure which specific one he's using, but there are a few in the AnkiWeb shared decks page.

>> No.16605386

>N3 exam is too easy
>N2 exam is still a little too difficult
The eternal struggle.

Also, what are the best settings for Anki? How many new cards should I be doing per day? And what should I set my easy interval and starting ease to? I'm doing Core 10k, and the beginning cards are way too easy.

>> No.16605388

>>16605386
Who are you quoting?

>> No.16605400
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>植林
>get my english definition from the kanji

>> No.16605402

きょうのAnki

>有尖無刃器

>> No.16605409

>>16605378
I think https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/779483253 was linked in the guide somewhere.

It's meant to be used alongside the book, but meh, can brute force it.

>> No.16605583

>>16605400
Who wrote that?

>> No.16605595

おにいちゃん

はくさいたべる?

かいがいでもたべられるのかな

>> No.16605602

>>16605583
>晴天の下、緑が鮮やかな草原に、涼しい風が吹いていた。真東に伸びる道の両側に、きれいにととのえられた畑が、遠くには、植林された針葉樹の黒い森が広がる。
was in キノの旅 so it was 時雨沢 恵一

>> No.16605611

>>16605595
>白菜
当たり前だよ
最近あんまりだけど

>> No.16605613

>>16605602
せんそうするおはなしのところだっけ

1かんだよね

>> No.16605618

>>16605400
植毛

>> No.16605623

>>16605611
どーやってたべてもおいしいけど

どうやってりょうりしてたべてるの?

>> No.16605661

>>16605623
日本語で説明できない

>> No.16605715

>>16601443
D ドナルド
J ジェイ
T トランプ

>> No.16605724

>>16605715
I'd rather not

>> No.16605749

>>16605661
べつに教えてほしいわけじゃないんだからね

かんちがいしないでよね

>> No.16605774

>>16605749
すねっているいもうとうさんはかわいい

>> No.16605806

>japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHMpR5F-2v4

>> No.16605818

>>16605806
Who said that?

>> No.16605830

>>16605388
>>16605583
>>16605818
Fucking autist.

>> No.16605839

>>16605830
Only one of them is mine. Answer the question though.

>> No.16605941

>>16601804
>recommendations for listening practice
Seconded, but I feel like rather than shows, optimal listening comprehension training would involve podcasts/audiobooks simply because the narrative doesn't rely on or assume any accompanying visuals, and even more importantly, because the word density is typically so much higher.

I found some collections of podcasts here:
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-5572.html
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-14283.html

But I haven't yet found a reliable source for good, native-targeted narrated texts, especially fiction.

The audio supplements for textbooks like Tobira do have their purpose, but seeing as they're targeted at intermediate learners, the vocabulary and grammar is rather limited, the language not entirely natural, and the content not really that compelling.

One thing I did find in the CoR are books like "Read Real Japanese Fiction Short Stories" and "Breaking into Japanese Literature" (in the CoR) which, while also aimed at learners, do actually use native content. They're very good, but a bit to 'literary' for my liking.

So I'm left wondering, given the excellence of Japanese voice acting, can it really be the case that nobody in Japan is producing narrated versions of LNs (ANs, if you will)? Anybody got more info on this?

>> No.16605956

>>16605941
>I found some collections of podcasts here:
Yup, good site. I also recommend looking at /r/learnjapanese. They've got a lot of cool stuff over there.

>> No.16605966

>>16605941
>But I haven't yet found a reliable source for good, native-targeted narrated texts, especially fiction.
There are a shitton of drama CDs out there.

>> No.16605968

>>16605941
>(ANs, if you will)
that was pretty embarrassing to read.

>> No.16605972

http://tmp7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/download/1208367033/

Does anyone know how this thread works? There's a book I want there but I don't know how to get it...

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16605975

I can't seem to decipher what is Sawako saying in the bottom left panel? Is it something along the lines of "I think you can do it even if you played badly."?

>> No.16605982

>>16605956
I realize you're being facetious, but just to be clear, linking to specific threads (on whatever boards) containing links to content of general interest to those intent on improving their listening comprehension (i.e., Japanese podcasts) is obviously very different from what you're implying.

>>16605966
>There are a shitton of drama CDs out there.
Can you point out some good ones, and where to find them?

>>16605968
>that was pretty embarrassing to read.
I sure hope so.

>> No.16605984

>>16605982
>I realize you're being facetious
In what way?
>different from what you're implying
And what exactly would that be?

>> No.16606043 [DELETED] 

>>16605975
No problem, if you suck new students will think "I can reach this level too." [at will be eager to join the band.]

Presumed implication in parentheses.

>> No.16606047

>>16605975
No problem, if you suck new students will think "I can reach this level too." [and will be eager to join the band.]

Presumed implication in parentheses.

>> No.16606070

>>16605972
Use the obvious software Japanese people use to share stuff P2P.

>> No.16606130

>>16605975
よく分かってないけど似ることかもしれない

Even you [or could just be talking about first year students in general] that are/is bad at performing, with this I think that you too can be able to play it.

>> No.16606324

>>16605941
There's a bunch of Japanese audio books here: https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3585518

It has a few light novels like おいしいコーヒーのいれ方 plus stuff like 四畳半神話大系.

>> No.16606361

>>16606324
Cheers mate, very much appreciated.

>> No.16606362

>>16605715
シャジィレー

>> No.16606431

>>16606362
ケック

>> No.16606456

God damn this retarded language doesn't make sense most of the time.

>> No.16606466

>>16606456
Maybe it'll make sense if you read more.

>> No.16606865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVSZpoUdSU
If you don't understand this you don't know japanese.

>> No.16606872

>>16605715
半角カタカナをインターネット上の色んな所で使えば、いつか顰蹙をかいまくる事になるよ

>> No.16606937

Does anyone know where I can watch raw anime with subs in kana?

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16606950

>finally decided to stop being a lazy shit and go for it
>started classes 3 weeks ago
>already learned all hiragana and already working on learning all katanana
It's actually not hard at all.

>inb4 "just you wait for kanji"

>> No.16606954

>>16606950
just you wait for grammar

>> No.16607001

>>16606950
Who are you replying to?

>> No.16607005

>>16606950
just you wait for 500 anki reps

>> No.16607029

>>16606950
Just wait for fucking everything and watch your smile be wiped off for good.

>> No.16607049

>>16606950
>classes
stopped reading right here.

>> No.16607067

>>16607049
>Bothering to read it
Been learning Japanese so long I can barely speak this fucking language anymore

>> No.16607098

>>16607067
>Bothering to read it
Where did I say this?

>> No.16607104

>>16607098
>Where did I say this?
Where did I imply this?

>> No.16607114

>>16607104
You replied to my post with the following quote "Bothering to read it", but it is something which I never said.

>> No.16607115

>>16601828

Those word order questions are stupid.

>> No.16607133

>>16607114
And I implied that you hadn't read it.

>> No.16607138 [DELETED] 

>>16607049
Sorry you're an autist with no social skills. :^)

>> No.16607171

>>16606950
Classes aren't possible where I live.

>> No.16607184

>>16607133
But why did you imply that I said what I didn't say?

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What the hell is this?

>> No.16607192

>>16607188
looks like a deformed カ

>> No.16607196

>>16607138
I thought being an autist with no social skills was the pure bliss we all strive for in life

>> No.16607202

>>16607184
I can't understand this sentence, because if you read my original post, I've been studying Japanese for so long the complexity of sentence construction in English is lost on me despite the significant fortune of time in being born into the language.

It looks as though you've lost even the most rudimentary of sensitivities to grammatical form and deixis.

>> No.16607204

>>16607192
It's supposed to be hiragana. I can't figure out which one.
I've seen a lot of japs write it like this.

>> No.16607209

>>16606950

>>started classes 3 weeks ago
>>already learned all hiragana and already working on learning all katanana

I'm not memeing, but at that rate you would require multiple lifetimes to reach fluency.

>> No.16607215

>>16607209
>le japanese is hard meme
くすくす

>> No.16607221 [DELETED] 

>>16607138
return to your shitty board.

>> No.16607222

>>16607188

>> No.16607226

>>16607188

ゆ?

>> No.16607230 [DELETED] 

>>16607209
>memeing
see >>16607221
>>16607215
>le
see >>16607221

>> No.16607238
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>>16607215

3 weeks to learn fewer than 100 kana is pic related.

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>>16607221
>lonely weeb triggered this much

>> No.16607247

>>16607222
>>16607226
I'm not sure, it goes right here に _ ぷ

>> No.16607249 [DELETED] 

>>16607243
That is a pretty funny joke when you think about it

>> No.16607251 [DELETED] 

>>16607230

/djt/ is a rightful cl/a/y, nerd!

>> No.16607258 [DELETED] 

>>16607243
reread the post your replied to.
>>16607251
same as my previous reply.

>> No.16607282

Should I be able to actively differentiate between On readings and Kun readings or should I just naturally absorb vocabulary and hope I get it right?

>> No.16607296

>>16607282

Just learn vocabulary and you'll learn what words use which readings.

Trying to remember arbitrary inconsistent out of context readings seems like a complete waste of time.

>> No.16607302

>>16607282
The latter.

>> No.16607304

Why are many video game character names written in katakana even if they're clearly Japanese words?

Is it just a style thing? Do they feel "cooler" if they use katakana instead of hiragana?

>> No.16607425

>>16607282
It's enough just to read about them for five minutes and learn what they are, how they tend to work and where they're likely to appear. The rest you can quite easily figure out for yourself

>> No.16607551

>>16607304
- Making sure your audience (of all ages) will know how to say your character's name;
- Leaving kanji ambiguous for several possible correct answers and associations;
- Rule of Cool.

>> No.16607592
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16607592

>>16604511
Riche was too pure for a game like this, where the MC is a harem loving horn dog.
That's why Ramias is the best, because she fits right into such a lewd scenario.
But Kath in the end stands as the best in the scenario on account of being flat and also hilarious.

>> No.16607639

>>16607592
Pure girls put into lewd games are the best though, it's not exciting unless you get the embarrassment and the initial reluctance to participate followed by the しょうがないわね!

>> No.16607650

>>16607639
That's the thing, it's not really pure if if happily joins in on gangbangs and that sort of thing.
The relation is corrupted by the abnormal sexuality.
Ramias fits into that cause shes' pretty perverted herself and fundamentally associates love with sex.
Whereas Riche doesn't (and in fact iirc says something about being uncomfortable with Aster having 2 wives but being okay with it due to the other one being Ramias), so the fact Aster gets up to like ten wives really negatively affects their relationship... or it would if they didn't just ignore the problem to keep things going smooth, thereby damaging Riche's purity which is really the fundamental aspect of her character as a princess.
I mean, I see what you mean by "it's not exciting", but we're talking character relationships here, if the only way to make a character exciting is to damage or ignore parts of their character that's a problem.

>> No.16607664
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16607664

There are not many languages with the amount of insane content left, right and center

That's why Japanese is worth learning.

>> No.16607675

>>16607650
No you don't understand, it's not just because it's Ramius that she's fine with it, it's because it's a person she herself is close friends with. And if you pay attention she makes close friends with each and every one of his wives across their journey. That's why she's fine with them joining, because it's not like he's cheating on her with random girls or anything, they're all family.

>> No.16607713

>>16607675
I forget the exact details, but she's been friends with Ramias and Kath for a long while, sure.
But Erimo? Tio? Towa? His two "sisters"? All the women in the post-ending he's doubtlessly going to marry? Yeah, no. The game can say hat Riche had a long and deep friendship with Kath and Ramias because we never saw them, but we saw them with the other girls, and there was no deep friendship there. Maybe with Guriririririgurarararara, but everyone else, nah. Hard to make "close friends" with someone over a week or so while barely talking to them yourself. Calling the shallow relationships Aster and co form with the non-main-part girls deep on the level of "family" is kind of malicious to the concept of real familial relationships, even, given how focused on sex Aster is more than anything and how little it goes beyond that. I mean do you have massive orgies with your family, or nightly rotation of which family member to fuck? Would you be okay with marrying a girl who proceeded to fuck your dad and brother, because she considered them family if you think this is an exaggeration, note that he marries Riche's own sister, the equivalent of a wife fucking your brother.?

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>>16607650

I don't think she's all that pure. She's just the most normal out of everyone else.

>> No.16607833

>>16607817
She gets corrupted over time to suit the needs of the game. Which is really my main problem with Evenicle. Everything, even the story, gets more or less corrupted to suit an abnormal focus on sex. (most evident in nonsense like King Arthur's bits)

>> No.16607849

>>16606937
animelon

>> No.16607857

>>16607713
The gameplay makes it confusing but it's not like all these cities are a few hours walk from each other, the game takes place over many months. And because Aster is the protagonist you see everything from his perspective, so you'll miss out on the interactions between the girls while he's not around. So I don't think it's unreasonable to say they become good friends.

Obviously there's nothing wrong with having sex with family members, but I'll concede the gender-reversed analogy, I guess you just have to make allowances considering its an otaku porn game appealing to male desires. 気持ちいいならいいじゃない

>> No.16607865

>>16607857
I was expecting that reply, but you're forgetting they learn to teleport, so that eliminates any time concerns in most all mid to late game situations.
Also, a relationship supposedly formed during unseen interim, never shown, may as well not be a real relationship at all in my opinion, when it comes to storytelling.

>> No.16607878

What do you guys do for listening? I wanna try to get better at listening. Usually at work I'll listen to some japanese music, but I wanna practice listening for conversation. Any suggestions?

>> No.16607882

>>16607878
Listen more.

>> No.16607910

>>16607878
music is about as effective as learning via poetry, neither is ever really complete sentences and both take heavy artistic license with language in general

try podcasts or listening to whatever media you enjoy

>> No.16607915

Anyone here know Japanese?

>> No.16607925
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16607925

できないと確かめたばかり
今すぐ自殺にしとく

>> No.16607928
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>>16607915
Nope

>> No.16607935

>>16607928
Good I thought I was the only one.

>> No.16608011

>>16607925
これからも頑張り続けようね

>> No.16608045

>>16601828

Fuck, I got an N5 question wrong because I thought they were saying 「奥に」は?, not 「お国」は? and chose 部屋 instead of アメリカ, thinking a room could be considered 'inside'.

Seems like an intentional trick.

>> No.16608088

>>16608045
pitch accent

>> No.16608101 [DELETED] 

>>16608045
おく↑に↑は↑

お↑↑くには↑

>> No.16608111

>>16608045
おく↑に↑は↑→お国は

お↑↑くには↑→奥には

おく↑に↓は→置くには

すんでるところによってかなりあくせんとがちがうとおもうよ

>> No.16608112

>>16608088
>>16608101

>pitch accent in N5

Unreasonable.

They don't even use Kanji without furigana.

>> No.16608121

>>16608111
The arrow meme needs to stop.

>> No.16608146
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>>16607925
You CAN learn Japanese!

>> No.16608192

おんぷでかいてもおなじだけど

ふらっと
しゃーぷ
だぶるふらっと
だぶるしゃーぷ

もじばけするとおもう

>> No.16608210

I read 4 hours today

褒めてください

>> No.16608213

>>16608210
ありがとう

>> No.16608217

>>16608210
何読んてる?

>> No.16608226

>>16608210
あたしだって

あたしだってきょう4じかん

ごはんたべるんだから

ほめて

>> No.16608233

>>16608210
ごめんなさい

>> No.16608282

Why does everyone write in fucking kana only.

Do you have any idea how difficult that is to read?

Press your space bar and look up which kanji it is if you don't know.

>> No.16608306

>>16608210
おめでとう

>> No.16608326

>>16608226
よくやったな
その食いしん坊な調子

>> No.16608329 [DELETED] 

>>16608282
Why do you write like redditors?

Do you have any idea how stupid that looks?

Stop pressing enter after every sentence you fucking faggot.

>> No.16608408

If I'm finding nanatsuiro a little boring/hard to get into, would it make sense to try a different VN first or just to power through it? I have baldr sky, clockwork leyline but they both looked a bit harder. Also found first part of Ef which was my original plan but it's taking forever to download and it's probably like 50/50 on if it'll run on windows 10 anyways.

>> No.16608418

>>16608408
Try something else that interests you. VNs are pretty long and even longer for a beginner, no point in forcing yourself to finish something that you don't like.

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>>16608329

Reddit posting style that predates Reddit!

>> No.16608428

>>16608408
It never makes sense to stick with something you don't like. Drop it and move on. All the other VNs you listed are easy as well, but keep in mind that it's gonna be a pain in the beginning no matter what you play so don't fuss too much about miniscule difficulty differences.

>> No.16608430

>>16608329
Go back to your exile board.

>> No.16608436

>>16607878
Let's Play's, especially of games you've already played in english before when just starting out.

>> No.16608476

ときに、その地の特性は伝説が作られた理由になることがあります。

I dont get what this is saying.

ときに
Sometimes
、その地の特性は
that location's special characteristic
伝説が作られた理由になることがあります。
becomes the reason legend is made?

>> No.16608483

>>16608476
Becomes the basis for local legends.

>> No.16608514

>>16608011
諦めるわけじゃないけど、かなり悔しいなぁ

>>16608146
皮肉はひどいよ!

>> No.16608523

>>16608210
I read 8 hours once. BEAT THAT.

>> No.16608541

On average how many times must you write a kanji before it becomes one with your muscle memory?

>> No.16608543

>>16608541
As many times as there are stars in the sky.

>> No.16608548
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>>16608543
So people that live in lots of light pollution are kanji prodigies?

>> No.16608550

入り口に最も近いテーブルに4名の先客がいました。このスペース活用のために厨房インになってるわけです。店なのに入り口を潰すという逆転の発想はなかなか出ないのでは!!

>Closest to the entrance there was a table of 4. In order to use this space they made it a "kitchen inn". I cant imagine a shop with backwards thoughts like blocking the entrance.

Not sure what they mean by 逆転 in this context. Also what is a 厨房イン. I tried webilo and nothing comes up. Nor does japanese google.

>> No.16608551

>>16608548
That's right.

>> No.16608553

>>16608548
Of course. See China

>> No.16608572

>>16608428
Not him, but baldr sky looks pretty intense for a beginner, judging by the screenshots. I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that it can't be hooked as well.

>> No.16608587

>>16608572
Not really. There's some Scifi terms but they all have English furigana and the grammar is straight forward. And it can be hooked.
The only way it could be "intense" for a beginner is the size of the game (80+ hours for native Japanese).

>> No.16608593

>>16608587
>80+ hours for native Japanese
When people say this do they mean all routes, seeing every single bit of text, 100%ing the game basically?

>> No.16608659

>>16608587
Huh, maybe I'll give it a go when I'm done with koikano then. I'm a big sucker for mecha and cyberpunk, but the screenshots showed some very long sentences which made me feel like leaving it until much later.

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>>16608659
Judging VNs off single screenshots posted here is a terrible idea because people always pick ones that stand out instead of normal text.

>> No.16608679

>>16608572
I find Hanahira! pretty intense desu.

>> No.16608726
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16608726

If I keep listening eventually I will understand r-right?
Reading has helped me a little bit with listening but I still have this horrible feeling where it feels like a wall on my head when listening ever since I started about a year ago.
Now I can't decide between reading or listening, I feel like im lacking on the latter, but there is an immense amount of grammar points that I don't understand yet and don't want to stop reading.
Help me out on which one should I go for, mind that I can't really do both as I lack time.
Sorry for blogposting.

>> No.16608733

>>16608726
Read VNs with voice acting.

>> No.16608748

>>16608726
Keep reading, or read a VN with voice acting or something.
With listening, you are going to need to understand grammar and vocab on the fly, so you need to make sure you really understand it by reading.

>> No.16608760

>>16608550
>逆転の発想
A change of thinking, outside the box thinking

>> No.16608766

>>16608045
LOL fell for the proraganda that pitch doesn't matter

>> No.16608802

>>16608733
>>16608748
Completely forgot about VNs, might look for an interesting one in the future. Thanks.

>> No.16609182 [DELETED] 

大小便を無意識のうちにしてしまう

>> No.16609217

メイドちゃんに感謝を!
お疲れ様でした

>> No.16609238

>>16608111
don't use ↑ when describing japanese pitch accent

>> No.16609295

Can someone help me translate the first part of this? The line he says when it zooms in on his face.

https://youtu.be/bCymy-ppUzI?t=189

I've managed to do the other 3 lines but the only word I can get in the first part is 戦場.

>> No.16609296

Just a bit into baldr sky, how far off am I on the meaning of these sentences. I'm hoping I'm right on broad strokes, though I know I'm missing some specifics :

退屈な授業をやり過ごせば、午後からは仲間たちとのお楽しみが待っている。
I have a boring lesson in the afternoon, but I'm awaiting having fun with my comrades.

わかっていながら、俺は聞こえないふりで惰眠をむさぼる。

I understand that I cannot be heard from where one sits, appearing to covet indolence.

I understand that I appear to be coveting indolence (More natural sounding... )

>> No.16609310

>>16609295
もはや戦場に呵責なし
我が父を許したまえ
偶然(?)

>> No.16609329

>>16609296
>退屈な授業をやり過ごせば、午後からは仲間たちとのお楽しみが待っている。
I would translate it differently, but you got the gist.

>わかっていながら、俺は聞こえないふりで惰眠をむさぼる。
He's pretending not to hear.

>> No.16609338

>>16609310
Thanks! What would be an accurate TL for the first line? I know second line is along the lines of "My father, forgive me" but I'm stumped on the first.

>> No.16609347

>>16609295
>>16609310
>偶然(?)
「空前絶後」じゃないの?

>> No.16609355

>>16609338
"There are no longer any regrets on the battlefield" or something. I'm not sure about the second line, I sounds like を to me but might be よ (in which case your translation is right).

>>16609347
Ah, you're right. My bad.

>> No.16609360

>>16609355
こまかいけど、アクセントからいうと

>わが父よ、許したまえ

だよ

>> No.16609367

>>16609355
"There are no longer any regrets on the battlefield.
My father, I ask for your forgiveness.
For the first and last time.
End everything, Vasavi Shakti!"

Would this be a decent translation for the whole thing?

>> No.16609375

>>16609296
>退屈な授業をやり過ごせば、午後からは仲間たちとのお楽しみが待っている。
Once I've gone through this boring lesson, from the afternoon fun with friends is waiting.

>わかっていながら、俺は聞こえないふりで惰眠をむさぼる。
Although I understand, I pretend not to hear and indulge in laziness.

Seems kind of like you ignored the grammar of the sentences.

>> No.16609526

どうしよう

たまご5こめがくさってて

ぜんぶだめになっちゃった

>> No.16609536

Two years ago I set the bar low with completing Flyable Heart in 11 months. I am back today to set it even lower. I finished the first Zero no Tsukaima LN in 9 months. I would guess that it is only 1/10th the size of FH, which makes it quite the underachievement.

Things I've learned:
VNs are much more compelling than LNs
Kindle Paperwhite is comfy, but lookups are so much slower than texthooking
Kindle Fire/Android App can lookup faster, but they can't handle conjugations, so the dictionary won't work a lot of the time.

>> No.16609545 [DELETED] 

>>16609536
>he bought a (((kindle)))

>> No.16609552

>>16609375
I'm just fucking awful at grammar. I can follow basic sentences just fine, but the second one I got totally lost. I've tried listening, reading grammar guides, etc. but none of it really stuck so I'm just going to try slogging through Baldr Sky and hope that helps matters.

>> No.16609574

たまごがだめになっちゃって

はらぺこおひる

>> No.16609735

>>16609536
>VNs are much more compelling than LNs
Don't be stupid. You've read one VN and one LN and you can make this kind of judgement? It depends entirely on the author.

>> No.16609747

>>16609735
This is the truth
Anime > Manga > VN > LN

>> No.16609756

なにがおおきいの?

>> No.16609765

>>16609735
The graphics, music, and voice acting is what makes it more compelling to me.

>> No.16609826

>>16609536
To put this into perspective, I started about the same time as you and read the 2nd volume of Eromanga Sensei today. This makes my reading speed 273 times faster than you.

Also this: >>16609735

>> No.16609881

>>16609826
I exist to make other DJTers feel good about their progress.

>> No.16609976

>>16609756
おれのエゴ

>> No.16609977

>>16609976
下顎前突のおにいちゃんは

ほねけずれ

>> No.16610131

>reading VN
>h scene comes up
>have to endure not succumbing to fapping
>mind gets clouded, cant focus on reading
And they say VNs are superior. Now I feel like I want to kill myself again since this was the 3rd time I've fapped this day.

>> No.16610139

>>16610131
Who are you quoting?

>> No.16610230

>>16610139
Can't you just fucking tell him that you don't use green text like this on /jp/?
Is that so fucking hard?

So tired of seeing you sperg about it every few posts Jesus Christ you fucking faggot.

>> No.16610235

>>16610131
No fapping actually helps your study
It's called 賢者モード

>> No.16610273

>>16610131

I'm the opposite. I get bored of it real fast and want to get back to the story and it kills my motivation to continue sometimes especially if it's some cowtits girl I'm not even interested in.

>>16610235

That doesn't apply unless you're an actual monk and can control your sexual desires in which case you wouldn't need to learn Japanese in the first place for the purpose of escapism. The term is used to describe after you just cum and don't give a shit about bitches.

>> No.16610282

>>16609536
There's some great LNs too (mostly written by eroge authors ironically enough) but yeah in sheer volume of fantastic stuff nothing can compare to VNs.

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>>16608766

If I cared about pitch I'd've learnt Chinese, kiddo.

>> No.16610396

>>16610373
おとこのこに

ねこみみフードは

はんそくだとおもう

>> No.16610414

Are there any easy N1 practice tests? Or copies of old tests?
It's kind of annoying googling for them, everything's just fake study stuff for normies, instead of just the plain test. (sans listening of course).

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>>16610396

リンが男の子じゃなくて、女の子だからさ!

>> No.16610484

>>16610414
By easy I mean "easy to get" i.e. not locked behind shit website
>>16610469
男の娘

>> No.16610497

>>16610469
ついてるじゃん

モノがついてるじゃん

>> No.16610513

>>16610414
Just take the J-Cat instead and then do the mini tests in the 新完全マスター series.

>> No.16610831

Remember to always check for duplicate cards in Anki.

For some reason I've had two separate cards for 股 (crotch and thigh) instead of just one and been constantly getting the other one false once it turned mature.
Pretty sure this went on for months, and today I thought "damn, this can't be right" and checked

>> No.16610884

>>16608436
How do I find these let's plays? What are the common terms to search for?

>> No.16610907

>>16610884
There's 兄者弟者, which is probably one of the most famous japanese let's play channels on youtube.

>> No.16610925

>>16610831
Rikaisama automatically rejects duplicates, so you shouldn't even have to think about it

>> No.16610935

>>16610925
I don't know why, but one of them had a space in the beginning, so they weren't recognized as duplicates when adding.

Also if your mining deck backlog is big enough and you keep reading on and off it's relatively easy to mine stuff like 如く and 如き, which should ideally be treated as duplicates too.

>> No.16610986

>>16610884
実況 + *gamename* should work

>>16610907
I would also recommend 兄者弟者, the videos with all 3 of them tend to be pretty fun. The 夕闇通り探検隊 series was fantastic.

https://youtu.be/ts5quGn4D78

>> No.16611188

Hey guys, does this sound decent enough for someone that can only type in weeb?

うっわー突然すぎるですごく驚いた

Mind you, I don't study the language or frequent these threads. Am a cartoon only fag, so feel free to call out how shitty that sounds.

>> No.16611268

>>16611188
It's
>突然すぎてすごく驚いた

>> No.16611274

>>16611188
Could be worse

>> No.16611294

>>16611268
>>16611274

Figured it sounded a bit more complete with the る but again, my moon is shit. Thanks mates.

>> No.16611507
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16611507

Is there a way to make Anki smooth out fonts? I use Ankiweb just because the font looks less disgusting.

>> No.16611513

any HelloTalk user here?
it's a really great app if you're a foreign language learner.
you definitely get some responses no matter what your post is, and the people are really kind and welcoming unlike twitter.

>> No.16611520

>>16611507
Make them bigger. Otherwise, no.

>> No.16611521

>>16611507
>>16611520
I mean, you could install whatever the current equivalent of MacType is, but that's overkill.

>> No.16611537

>>16611513
I'm too shy to use it

>> No.16611579

>>16611537
I'm shy too, and I don't even use voice messages, but I already have a fuckton of foreign followers, and they're amazingly kind to me.
I teach them Japanese, and they teach me English instead, this app is simply amazing.

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>>16611507
Try Noto Sans or any one of the better fonts

>> No.16611615

>>16611579
I tried talking to some people on HelloTalk before giving up on it and they all tried to push me into skyping with them. Of course I couldn't do it and blocked them as soon as they started insisting too much, so the app was pretty much useless to me.

>> No.16611625

>>16611615
You can skype without turning on your cam you know. It's good pronunciation practice since you're getting feedback from natives.

>> No.16611640

>>16611615
That was your fault, you should've added a message on your profile, "I'm a shyboy, so I don't use voice messages. Sorry bro."

>> No.16611643

>>16611640
thx for using a name so i can filter you

>> No.16611670

>>16611625
I know. The problem is the awkward conversation itself, not the cam
I'm already taking a conversation course for that. Talking to strangers is just too embarrassing

>> No.16611705

>>16611670
>Talking to strangers is just too embarrassing
Then pretend you're someone else. Create a false persona. A false name, identity, personality, hobby, etc. It's definitely more comfortable and anybody can do it.

>> No.16611896

>>16611705
面倒くさいなぁ

>> No.16612129
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16612129

Can anybody help me with the second line in pic related? The first line is along the lines of
"Forgoing even food to work on the mech" but the second line is an enigma to me.

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>> No.16612198

>>16612129
「こんな悪い状況だから」 指揮官に暇はない。

>> No.16612215

>>16612198
ちょっと変な書き方。
「状況が状況だけに」どう意味ですか

>> No.16612247

>>16612215
???
「こんな(悪い)状況だから」

>> No.16612252

How do 体, 身体, 躰 and 躯 differ in nuance? 身体 seems to refer to the human body, as opposed to 体, which I see used in a more general sense, but what about the other two (usually used with furigana, from what I've seen)?

>> No.16612291

>>16612247
あ、すまん。「だけに」と「だけ」間違えた

>> No.16612453

>とーぜんだ。外堀から埋めてって親父をギャフンと言わせてやろーぜ

どういう意味ですか

>> No.16612627

I always put off buying LNs on amazon.jp because I'd read that when you switch accounts on a Kindle you can only access the books you bought with the one you're currently using, but that's not true. Once you download a book you can read it with whichever Amazon account you have.
Just letting you know, in case anyone's interested.

>> No.16612634

>>16612627
pls upload LNs

>> No.16612762

What's the best way to get more used to conjugations (mainly of verbs)? Just read more?

I just feel a little stupid having to look up every other conjugation on the cheat sheet at the moment.

>> No.16612771

>>16612762
>What's the best way to get more used to conjugations (mainly of verbs)? Just read more?
Yes. Not only is it the best way, it's the only way.

>> No.16612774

>>16612762
>Just read more?
Yeah, pretty much, but don't feel afraid to use cheat sheets if you're a beginner.

>> No.16612780

>>16612762
Why use cheat sheet? Rikai tells you what conjugation is on a simple hover + context usually gives it away anyways. You get used to it very quickly if you read a lot.

>> No.16612799

Am I the only one who likes to mine words from anime songs?

>> No.16612896

>>16612799
I used to, until I realized that most of the kanji they use is obscure.

>> No.16612940

>>16612780
It's mainly because I forget what some of the lesser-used terms equivalents are in english, progressive, passive, volitional especially.

Some of them I wind up just searching Tae Kim's guide for because they aren't on the cheet sheet either.

Rikai is great for the more common ones though, especially if I'm mostly sure, but not entirely.

>> No.16612944

>>16612799
Yeah, I've tried that recently too. The song becomes a mnemonic which is cool, but because songs don't have to make sense you might have to skip a few words to avoid confusing yourself in future.

>> No.16613030
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16613030

Succeed. Even if you're supposed to fail, succeed. Even if the world is conspiring against you, surpass it. Even if your station in life is disabling you, overcome it. Even if probability itself gives you no chance, win.

That's what freedom means. You are absolutely free. You have radical freedom. You can exercise your freedom to let whatever happens happens, or you can exercise your freedom to exert your will on reality itself. There is no "can't". You can learn japanese.

>> No.16613127

>>16613030
違う。

>> No.16613130

>>16612453
>とーぜんだ。
当然だ
>外堀から埋めて
害物を処理して

>> No.16613132

>>16613127
ちがわない

>> No.16613149

>>16613132
マチガイナンカジャナイ!!!

>> No.16613177

お前らのキモヲタが死んでもいいと思うんだが

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>>16613177
ひどっ!

>> No.16613204

>>16612252
they all mean human body

体 - general term
身体 - formal/medical term
躰 - not even on kanken
躯 - typically used only in jukugo

>> No.16613211

>>16613188
本当だ
お前こそは知ってるんだろう

>> No.16613258

>>16613188
千莉 >佳奈

>> No.16613509
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16613509

I'm brand new to learning the language of the moon and tried my hand at writing some random nonsense, since I'm a shit judge since it's my own handwriting how chickenscratch is it (aside from that butchering of 亀 which I realize is awful)?

>> No.16613531

>>16613509
Stop copying computer fonts and learn written japanese.

>> No.16613560
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16613560

>>16613531
you mean proper strokes and such? I'm getting around to it, figured sticking to copying computer font style like that would be better for now, I mean I barely write legible roman script as is so writing proper kanji/kana will be hell

>> No.16613594

>>16613531
>>16613560
mind I do still try to do proper stroke order at least

>> No.16613619
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16613619

>>16613030
>Anon.

>One day, someone will appear who will teach you.

>But the sole objective of my current self is to liberate DJT. If you try to prevent that, even this thread will show you no mercy.

>I had neither a tutor nor a class. All I have is this world. If a chosen method is a self-learner's symbol, then this world is my chosen method.

>It copies and backs up any program or book that I have used.

>That is my ability as a language learner.

>Every Method Here Works.

(quoting an old post, not greentexting)

>> No.16613643

>>16613560
It's not just stroke order, computer fonts can take a substantially different shape from actual writing sometimes as well. Use this site if you want something to copy from:
http://kanji.sljfaq.org/kanjivg.html

>> No.16613645

>>16613619
英語で書いても説得力ないよね
あのクソ翻訳はもう必要ないはずなんだけど

>> No.16613668

>>16613643
had no idea, ok will do
(still, was my shitty computer font at least legible?)

>> No.16613685

>>16613643
>The kanji data is copyright (C) Ulrich Apel 2009-2013
Don't bother. Use jisho, it stays up to date with the repository.

>> No.16614064

Fuck, apparently Rikaichan has been updated and now the Anki Real-time Import function doesn't seem to work anymore

>> No.16614096

How do I learn slang/casual speech?

>> No.16614107

焦りと緊張に、思わず拳を握る。鉄の拳が軋んだ音を響かせた。

Due to the impatience caused by my mental strain, I instinctively clenched my hand into fist. The sound of the metal fist resounded.

Is this translation correct?

>> No.16614108

Whoever uploaded scans of Eromanga Sensei to the CoR, did you even look at what you're uploading? Why are the pages of volume 3 completely out of order? This is unreadable

>> No.16614234

>>16605941
the japanesepod101 audio dramas

>> No.16614297

>>16614107
>焦りと緊張に
と = and
Due to impatience and tension
>鉄の拳が軋んだ音を響かせた。
The iron fist made a creaking sound

>> No.16614385

>>16614064
seconding this

>> No.16614386

Which futaba board will welcome me to post as a gaijin?

>> No.16614393

>>16614386
Aren't foreign IPs banned there?

>> No.16614400

>>16614064
Are you sure you didn't break something? It's called Rikaisama and it works fine here.

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>>16613509
All of your squares look disgusting, train your straight lines more often.

>>16613531
Do you write in cursive in English? I write like computer fonts and I prefer it that way. Same goes to Wapango.

>> No.16614409

>>16614400
Rikaichan is the add-on on which Rikaisama is based. If their versions are not compatible, Rikaisama is useless.
I fucked up by accidentally updating Rikaichan and now I can't find a link to download the older version again.

>> No.16614427

how would you guys translate 無免? I'm having a hard time with trying to make sense

>> No.16614431

>>16614386
なりきり

>> No.16614443

If a character has a お袋 and a お母さん, which is the stepmum and which is the blood-related mum?

>> No.16614446

>>16614443
Neither, he's the adoptive son of a lesbian couple.

>> No.16614456

>>16614443
母上 is the stepmom.

>> No.16614459

>>16614409
You don't need Rikaichan installed to use Rikaisama. Maybe you enabled Rikaichan and now it's overriding Rikaisama.

>> No.16614460

>>16614446
I'm pretty sure in that scenario it's traditional to just call them フェイトママ and なのはママ

>> No.16614498

>>16614459
That was exactly it.

>> No.16614517

>>16614459
Holy shit, that was actually it. I just deleted Rikaichan and now everything is working fine. Thanks, my man

>> No.16614650

俺のちんぽが自分でフェラチオをしたい。

>> No.16614666

>>16614650
あぁ俺も

>> No.16614727

>>16614427
Unlicensed/license-less/without a license.

>> No.16614899
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16614899

Can someone help me out? I don't know what she's saying. It's in reference to eating shirataki noodles and such.

>> No.16614927

>>16614899
しらたきとか汁跳ねるもんね

>> No.16614938

>>16614927
Oh I see, thanks

>> No.16615366
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16615366

hows my writing

>> No.16615399

>>16615366
What exactly are you using to write with?

A brush? A tablet?

>> No.16615416

>>16615399
pen tablet because i have the genki PDF, because pirate

>> No.16615506

>>16615366
legible/10
what tablet, wacum?

>> No.16615513

>>16614408
>Do you write in cursive in English? I write like computer fonts and I prefer it that way. Same goes to Wapango.
Completely different. The difference between Japanese handwriting and display fonts is the same as Latin handwriting and display fonts. Cursive is unrelated. Write right if you're going to write, otherwise don't waste your time.

>> No.16615529

>>16615506
はい

>> No.16615554

>>16615513
Yes, anon, every Japanese alive right now is a master of shodou who honors stroke order and count. Too bad I will never be as pure and the true nipponjin peopletachi.

>> No.16615601

>>16615554
Stop acting like a prick. He's right, you know.

The reason why it's important to keep the stroke order is to preserve the shape of the kanji and also to write it the most efficiently. The overall shape and position of stroke in kanji changes greatly when it's written as characters on a computer, the best example being 心.

If you write it vertically like that, any person will call you out on it.

>>16614408
>Do you write in cursive in English?
Not even an accurate analogy in the slightest. If you write a K and tilt it diagonally, people are going to tell you to write it correctly.

>I write like computer fonts and I prefer it that way.
It's fine if you want to be stubborn and stick to being wrong, but don't force your idiocy on others.

>> No.16615604

>>16614408
You write like computer fonts because you can't do any better, not because you "prefer it".

>> No.16615608

What's the best Anki deck/app/website/whatever for Kyoiku Kanji drills? Mostly looking to drill on kunyomi and onyomi, not just English meaning.

>> No.16615619

Before you ask a question here, consider the following: is the answer "read more"? Because it probably is.

>> No.16615631

>>16615608
>Mostly looking to drill on kunyomi and onyomi
Save yourself the trouble and don't.

>> No.16615635

>>16615554
Don't be a fucking faggot anon, stroke order is important cause it changes the way it looks when you write the kanji.
Especially handwritten stuff by Japanese is easier to decipher if you know stroke orders of the kanji / kana used.

Also knowing how many strokes a kanji uses makes it easier to look it up in a dictionary.

Do what you want, but it'll be bad for you unless all you wanna do is show of to your friends.

>> No.16615648

>>16615608
If you're going to learn a kunyomi and a "meaning" (properly called a translation) then you might as well just learn the word while you're at it.

>> No.16615654

>>16615608
>What's the best Anki deck/app/website/whatever for Kyoiku Kanji drills?
Would like to know that too.

Tried the RTK deck but disliked it, thinking about using the Kodansha deck but I hate that they splitted it into it's own deck every 200 kanji, does anyone know how to change that?




>Mostly looking to drill on kunyomi and onyomi, not just English meaning.
It would be better to learn the on/kunyomi from vocabulary, some kanji decks like Kodansha have example vocabs for the kanji they teach you.

>> No.16615661

>>16615631
Why not?
>>16615648
Huh? Kanji are used in multiple words. What I mean is that I want to learn how a kanji like 会can be read as かいsuch as 会社 or 会議. I'm not sure what you mean by "learn the word" because the words change.

>> No.16615678

>>16615661
>Why not?
See: >>16615654

>What I mean is that I want to learn how a kanji like 会can be read as かいsuch as 会社 or 会議.
Yes, exactly. Instead of learning that 会 can be read as かい, you learn words that use that reading, like 会社 or 会議.

>> No.16615681

>>16615661
Wouldn't you know that anyway as soon as you saw the word 会社? Certainly you should have figured it out by the time you get to 会議

>> No.16615685

>>16615678
It's a lot easier for me to learn the kanji individually, especially because I already know words like かいしゃ and am just learning to read and write what I already know how to speak.

I mean, isn't that how kids learn in the beginning, anyway? Elementary level Japanese children already know all the words that they're learning kanji for and learn each kanji individually, then just mix and match them to make words.

>> No.16615690

>>16615601
>If you write it vertically like that, any person will call you out on it.
huh, i was wondering why this radical deck has me write things so differently

>> No.16615696
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>>16615601
>>16615604
Are you seriously going to defend this abomination?

We baka gaijin can't keep consistency for 26 characters (most of you write a barbaric mix of cursive and print style and I know it), it's only natural a language with more kanji than stars in the universe would face the same problem.

Lots of natives write circles instead of 口s to save time even if that's not stroke-order-friendly, and even on basic shit like KANA there is lots of variation, anons will often post here trying to identify these.

You are delusional if you think anyone will give two fucks about minor details like "oh, this 家" has the right part detached from the left one, how heretic and pasokonteki!". We're speaking of a grasswriting language here, anything goes.

>> No.16615701

>>16615696
Enjoy writing like a literal retard anon

>> No.16615704

>>16615654
>thinking about using the Kodansha deck but I hate that they splitted it into it's own deck every 200 kanji, does anyone know how to change that?
They've correctly labelled each kanji 1-2300, so you can merge all of them into one deck without issue as everything will be sorted into the correct order.

>> No.16615712
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16615712

Is there a site somewhere where I can practice numbers, counting and all that?
I fucking suck when it comes to that stuff.

Perhaps a memrise course or something?

bonus points if it has listening exercises for this as well

>> No.16615721

>>16615696
>abomination
But... that's the actual character. That's how it's written.

>Lots of natives write circles instead of 口s
I've never seen my wife or any of my friends just draw a circle for 口.

>minor details
Writing a horizontal kanji vertically is not a minor detail. Moreover, you're trying to justify poor writing skills because some native people are lazy and/or bad at their own language.

I guess nobody should bother spelling English correctly because some people mess up "your" and "you're." I mean, who cares, right? You should just know what they mean by the context, right? After all, people on the computer just type "u", anyway.

Of course, what I just said is comedic hyperbole, but your argument is just as ridiculous and funny, so I might as well have my own fun, too.

>> No.16615748

>>16615701
Like you're doing right now? How about some punctuation, like any semi-literate English speaker would expect you to use? That's good practice as well, or do you only care about proper rules when it comes to foreign languages?

>>16615721
Wait, so my comparison with cursive roman alphabet was absurd, but your comparison with Internet slang is just a hyperbole "for the lolz"?

Epic, friend! Except a vertical kokoro is not a grammatical error. That's how people see it written, printed, broadcast on their daily lives 9 out of 10 times.
Just like we see these fancy typewriter-styled serifed fonts, but (some) people insist to write with squiggly lines in real life.

I'm sure there are some parallel universe dimwits right now over 2ch discussing how making a q's tail like a vertical line instead of a smooth loop is absolutely wrong, inaccurate and poor form.

>> No.16615758

>>16615748
If you draw a K diagonally, it's wrong. If you write 心 vertically, it's wrong. That's it. There's no real discussing it. Go ahead, ask any Japanese person if writing 心 vertically, with the center line angled sharply and shaped like an L, is accepted. See what they say.

The only reason it's vertical on computers is for ease of reading, uniformity of characters, and to save space.

>> No.16615786
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16615786

How about we all just write it as its original pictogram and leave it at that?

>> No.16615812
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>>16615758
Anon, those barbaric Japanese keep printing wrong vertical 心s all around, what should we do?
Maybe you should contact them and explain that's not the way your wife writes, maybe they'll open their eyes to the true way of Nihon.

>>16615786
So the spirit is actually inside the penis, not the heart... interesting!

>> No.16615822

>>16615812
Display fonts aren't writing. Write right or don't waste your time writing.

>> No.16615832

this is probably the dumbest question but from what ive read you can only use を once per clause
but what denotes the end of a 'clause'?

>> No.16615839

>>16615832
closed predicate

>> No.16615855

>>16615839
so... anything that can stand on its own? dictionary form, past tense, te/de form.. not verb stems?

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16615862

>>16615822
Can't write more right than computer-right, stop dotting your is with little hearts.

Maybe we should just get your wife on the phone with these silly publishers, she might be able to explain the situation. This is unacceptable, even more so in a book for kids, what are they trying to teach with this?

>> No.16615885

>>16615862
>Can't write more right than computer-right
Yes, your misguided devil's advocate is veey funny, except that it's not and people unironically complain about this on a regular basis. Oh wait, you're serious? Hang on, let me get my laughing bitches folder.

>> No.16615892

He writes his "t" without the curve at the bottom!
He actually leaves out the serifs when he writes "X"!
He seriously uses a single-story "g"!

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>>16615892
You can't learn English.

>> No.16615925

>>16615901
I know more English than you will ever know anything.
That post was sarcasm, btw

>> No.16615941

>>16615901
i thought she only teases about japanese
全語のからかう力を持つか

>> No.16616150

I can't learn English.

I can learn Engrish.

きょうもいちにちがんばったけどできなかった

>> No.16616254

>>16616150
>>16613030

>> No.16616287 [DELETED] 

>>16601443
Is there a chat/group chat, is someone willing to make a group for DJT? We could use FlockDraw or some software to write kanji together if you have a tablet.
And chat on skype, discord or IRC channel.

>> No.16616308 [DELETED] 

>>16616287
Where do you think you are exactly?

>> No.16616347 [DELETED] 

>>16616308
I am not asking to socialize.
Personally I just want an excuse to practice Kanji.
I do not expect everyone on /jp/ to care if they are writing to each-other or not.
There are many that do not want to chat, I do not want to chat, but I want to study Japanese as well, so if I waste my time by writing slowly sequences of kanji on DrawPile I feel way better than browsing any chan or doing nothing.

>> No.16616397 [DELETED] 

>>16616347
I am sure there are other websites for people with desires similar to yours.

>> No.16616442 [DELETED] 

>>16616347
>Personally I just want an excuse to practice Kanji.
download the kanji grid add-on and think of it as your penis

>> No.16616445 [DELETED] 

>>16616397
I am not so strong-willed to want something to a level of "desire".
And I do not want to talk with normies, but I do not strongly want to talk with you guys either.
Can you understand or do you just think with labels?
'he is so stupid and triggered he does not reply with humor' - typical fat American on 4chan that used to be on Reddit since 2010

>> No.16616458 [DELETED] 

>>16616442
You gave me the idea of writing on my dick and thighs as an excuse to practice kanji and then post pictures to femanon, which is not bad.

But for now I have a partner I wont do it.

>> No.16616478 [DELETED] 

>>16616445
>I am not so strong-willed to want something to a level of "desire".
what did he mean by this

>> No.16616500 [DELETED] 

>>16616445
>And I do not want to talk with normies, but I do not strongly want to talk with you guys either.
Why are you telling me this? Why do you think I'm interested?
>Can you understand or do you just think with labels?
In what way have I "labeled" you or anyone else in my two brief posts?
>typical fat American on 4chan that used to be on Reddit since 2010
I don't quite get what this is supposed to mean, are you implying any of this applies to me? What makes you think so?

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>>16616478
I do not have desire. I just like things I do not desire them sadly.
Logically I would desire not to feel pain but I do not think about it on a daily basis.

>> No.16616576

しずんでく

ゆうひをいくつ

みおくったか

あのんもあたしも

さくはなもまた

ーじあまり

>> No.16616578

>>16610884
>>16610907
You should watch them on nicovideo instead of youtube at first, the comments add a lot for an intermediate learner.

- it gives you something to read whenever there's silence
- when the player uses a difficult or strange word it'll usually get echoed so you can look it up
- when the player reads something incorrectly there'll usually be corrections
- it gives you context to what's being said (and tells you when you missed a joke)
- fast scrolling speed will improve your reading speed
- sometimes the comments will contain original content

later on when you realize that nico is dying and the comments are fujoshits literal children and cancer you can move to youtube

I would never tell anyone I watch LPs but it's a great medium for practice if you've always liked vidya more than animu

>> No.16616608 [DELETED] 

>>16616500
> I am sure there are other websites for people with desires similar to yours.

>In what way have I "labeled" you or anyone else in my two brief posts?

even If you suggest politely to leave and say 'for people with desires similar to yours', it sounds like you are labeling me, people "with similar desires", if I had a desire it would be personal and unrelated to other people as it is an effect of my overall "personality".

>Why are you telling me this? Why do you think I'm interested?
Because you told me to go on another website, unless there is a website dedicated to people from /jp/ that want to learn Japanese and want to communicate to each-other your suggestion made no sense to me.
I generally like the people you find on /jp/ more than other "websites", I do not think you are interested in anything I say and I am not much interested in anything you say either, I am just replying and I just asked for a group chat of /jp/ related to learning Japanese, for those who want/do not mind doing it.
> I don't quite get what this is supposed to mean, are you implying any of this applies to me? What makes you think so?
I thought you were ironic with this>>16616397
, it's similar to a typical bad humor here on 4chan, especially outside of /jp/.


TL;DR
Related: I want people from /jp/ I do not want any random website.
Unrelated: I do not personally desrie and you do not want to know me in order to understand what I mean.

I do not mean to derail the thread, if anyone is willing to group up for Japanese it is okay, otherwise simply do not reply.

>> No.16616708 [DELETED] 

>>16616608
https://discord.gg/4558f

I made a discord for /djt/ if anyone is interested in joining

I also would like people to practice Kanji with. It's barebones now but I'll fix it up later when I get home.

>> No.16616768

沈み行く
夕日を幾つ
見送ったか
あなたもわたしも
  ハナ
咲く桜もまた

ー字余り

>> No.16616944
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He doesn't write his "t" as an upside down "4"!

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>>16601443
DJT Discord.
Group for learning Japanese.
Do not delete please, if you despise the idea leave it. Who does not want to, wont simply come.

>> No.16617027 [DELETED] 

>>16616987
Fuck off with your proprietary gaming bullshit.

>> No.16617045 [DELETED] 

>>16617027
>>16616987

I agree that every software should be free and it is fucking disgusting how companies behave.
I also agree that gaming is bullshit.

The reason we are using Discord is because a random anon made a group with it.
We can change platform where to discuss.

Please leave the post be, do not reply or delete it.

>> No.16617067 [DELETED] 

>>16617045
I didn't say anything about companies, you communist retard. Now leave this thread.

>> No.16617073 [DELETED] 

>>16601443
OP could you please stop being autistic?
We despise Discord as well, we will discuss which other platform to use.

Leave this message be for the people of DJT that wants to group up.
https://discord.gg/TEMqbxn
Do not reply. It does not make the thread derail it's a harmless post.

If you do not leave it be I will derail the thread personally all day with proxies.

>> No.16617092 [DELETED] 

>>16617073
Agreed. I too will derail this thread if we can't stay here.

>> No.16617095 [DELETED] 

The problem with grouping up in an anonymous site is that the group will bring their conversations from discord into these threads which is not good.
The fact that you are threatening to spam the thread if you don't get your way is also telling. Please fuck off to a place that is more suitable for you. There are countless other places that encourage socializing and would make you happy. I recommend trying reddit. Make a thread over there for your discord group. I'm sure you'd get a lot of people.

>> No.16617129 [DELETED] 

>>16617095
What's to stop people from bringing up namefags'/other anons' conversatioms?

>> No.16617138 [DELETED] 

>>16617129
I will personally stop them and remove them from the premises.

>> No.16617144 [DELETED] 

>>16617129
Namefags from these threads? Whenever an argument like that happens it derails the thread and makes it shitty. Having a chat room on the side would only encourage that kind of cancer. I know because I've seen it before.

>> No.16617164 [DELETED] 

>>16617095
>The problem with grouping up in an anonymous site is that the group will bring their conversations from discord into these threads which is not good.
Not only that, but it increases the amount of retarded metaposting. Something which this thread in particular should know all too well

>> No.16617215 [DELETED] 

Why don't we try it out and the moment something happens (that disrupts the thread) I'll delete the discord and no one will mention again. Deal?

>> No.16617232 [DELETED] 

>>16617215
How about you fuck off and never mention your crap here ever again. Deal?

>> No.16617235 [DELETED] 

>>16617215
How about you just drop it and go somewhere else instead of spamming it here until it's tolerated (it won't be)? Deal? Deal.
And since there is actually moderation in these threads I won't say anything more about this. めいどさん、よろしくお願いします

>> No.16617236 [DELETED] 

>>16601443
Anyone who wants to get into a DJT chat for studying and sharing here
https://discord.gg/ZGduB
(but we wont talk about the DJT thread or influence it in any way)

The group is for sharing and studying, it is not for making opinions about the DJT thread. We wont discuss DJT thread. This is not advertisement, we do not advertise a group or platform, we might change platform from Discord as I dislike it myself.

Please do not delete this post, I will simply paste it in with another identity of my proxy, as I am NEET I have all day.
Please do not respond to this post so it wont derail the DJT thread, since I want to read it myself, please do not ask me to go on Reddit only because some random anon on DJT opened the group on Discord and I am sticking to it, it is not my fault.
I do not have social anxiety disorders so I do not mind Discord even if I dislike every single design of it, ("dankest memes") at the same time I never really spoken to any native English speaker because I usually dislike them so I do not know how disgusting Reddit/Normies are for you. I am just a worthless spoiled Italian NEET that can not learn Japanese do not assume I will understand your disgust for Reddit or people as I never been exposed to them. As everyone I can not learn Japanese. (or English) So please leave this be or you will be the one derailing the thread.

>> No.16617237

Rikaichan has updated and now the default view completely obscures the text in question so you have to press A to move it every time.

What a great 'feature'.

>> No.16617254

>>16617237
Delete it and use Rikaisama.

>> No.16617255 [DELETED] 

>>16617215
>discord
End your life, anon-sama.

>> No.16617257 [DELETED] 

>>16617236
Upvoted.

>> No.16617296 [DELETED] 

>>16617257
thx bb XDDDDDDD
Ikr best meme, keep upvoting me so I get attention and more people, oh god do I love attention! upvote me XDDDDDDDDDDDDdddd SO LOL SO MEME
SO MEME AND SO LOL

I used once reddit to contact this dude, and oh my gosh, he simply stated to have this rarest movie like the rarest pepe and then he gave me the movie and then I dont remember the password of Reddit, because I do not use it.
I am Italian, do not bug me with your typical ironical label-mania, if you want to label me, label me as a pizza boy.
I spit on your lack of constructive complexity, I despise Anglo Saxons. Do not reply, do not derail the thread.

>> No.16617314 [DELETED] 

>>16617255
Not anon-sama, if you think discord is a bad way to chat in group ( which I think myself) if you can would you like to set up a IRC channel server, since I am too lazy to do it myself.

>> No.16617329 [DELETED] 

>>16617296
>I used once reddit
That is all I needed. Leave.
>I despise Anglo Saxons
What makes you think I'm Anglo-Saxon? I don't think a subhuman such as yourself has any right to despise them though.

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>>16601443
>Anyone who wants to get into a DJT chat for studying and sharing here

https://discord.gg/DFmYwD6
(but we wont talk about the DJT thread or influence it in any way)


The group is for sharing and studying, it is not for making opinions about the DJT thread. We wont discuss DJT thread. This is not advertisement, we do not advertise a group or platform, we might change platform from Discord as I dislike it myself.

Please do not delete this post, I will simply paste it in with another identity of my proxy, as I am NEET I have all day.
Please do not respond to this post so it wont derail the DJT thread, since I want to read it myself, please do not ask me to go on Reddit only because some random anon on DJT opened the group on Discord and I am sticking to it, it is not my fault.
I do not have social anxiety disorders so I do not mind Discord even if I dislike every single design of it, ("dankest memes") at the same time I never really spoken to any native English speaker because I usually dislike them so I do not know how disgusting Reddit/Normies are for you. I am just a worthless spoiled Italian NEET that can not learn Japanese do not assume I will understand your disgust for Reddit or people as I never been exposed to them. As everyone I can not learn Japanese. (or English) So please leave this be or you will be the one derailing the thread.

>> No.16617362 [DELETED] 

>>16617329
I used it for one day to get The Diary of Chuji's, I reached the post from Google, it is a fragmented movie which cannot be found on rutracker.org and did not exist in KG private tracker.

I used it one day.
If you are not Anglo-Saxon and you got influenced by 4chan so much that you seriously disgust what they disgust even if you have never seen the people they refer to, you are fucking retarded son. I know it is a common thing.

Also the more you reply the more the thread derails, do you want ti to derail?

You are so ego-maniac that you are telling me to leave for making the "thread" better even though you know rationally that it would just derail it.
or do you wish simply to provoke me and you do not care about the thread?

In any case unlike most people I like to be provoked, I like baits.

>> No.16617371

メイドさん頑張ってください

>> No.16617393 [DELETED] 

>>16617362
>If you are not Anglo-Saxon and you got influenced by 4chan so much that you seriously disgust what they disgust
How is the hatred of a particular kind of "people" in any way related to someone being Anglo-Saxon? The retards I hate are most commonly Anglo-Saxon simply because they are on an English speaking website. I don't see how that's relevant here.
>even if you have never seen the people they refer to
Do you need to be Anglo-Saxon to see the kind of retardation "people" like your friends over at reddit engage in? You just need to speak English.
>son
I don't believe I'm an italian subhuman.

>> No.16617412
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できないよ

>> No.16617446

>>16617371
ほんとにいいメイドさんがいるよね。

感謝、感謝!

>> No.16617450

>>16617412

俺も嫌いだ。

多分、>>16617254のいう通りにしとく。

>> No.16617517 [DELETED] 

>>16617144
It was not a chat on the side, it was themed DJT.
It was not about the thread it was about studying Japanese with /jp/ people.

>> No.16617603 [DELETED] 

>Threatening to derail the thread because you can't get your own way
Thank you for ruining any hope that idea had anon.

>> No.16617621

Pitch accent is probably the worst part of Japanese.

>> No.16617652

There's apparently a duolingo course for english wanting to learn japanese, coming out may this year. I'm pretty excited.

>> No.16617660

セクスしたい

>> No.16617673

>>16617660
背反

>> No.16617705

>>16617621
I can't even really hear it unless it's being demonstrated so that I hear words that are read the same way right after one another but even then not too well, so I kind of just ignore it. Maybe I'll manage to pick it up through osmosis without realizing.

>> No.16617741

>>16617660

すまん、

ミススペルしちゃう人とセックスできない。

t. 可愛いアニメガール

>>16617705

I am so tone deaf that I can't even distinguish if one note is higher or lower than another, so I have no chance.

>> No.16617773

>>16617652
You could easily be well past anything Duolingo will teach you by May.

>> No.16617775

>>16617741
>t. 可愛いアニメガール
ロリじゃないなら気にならないぞ

>> No.16617841

>>16617621
Really, pitch accent might one day shatter my dreams of working as a cute va.

>> No.16617921

>>16617775

くそロリコン変態発見される!

警察を呼ばれた!

>> No.16617940
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>>16616944
I write my "x" like that, nothx

>> No.16618008

I just started reading please no bully.

I read a bit of Hanahira and I have trouble with that sentence here

「後ろでむすっとしとる誰かさんとは大違いだわ~」

What does it say? especially this part here "むすっとしとる" confuses me.

>> No.16618012

>>16614408
I've never met a person in my life who handwrites a lowercase "a" the same way a computer produces it.

>> No.16618037

>>16618012
It exists, but it's not normal anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script

>> No.16618040

>>16618008
しとる / しちょる = している
The other one you can look up in a dictionary.

>> No.16618224

I've heard some people say that eventually everything sort of clicks while reading. Just wondering how long that takes? I'm guessing it varies a lot between people, just curious about a rough estimate.

>> No.16618245

>>16618224
If you read at least 3 hours a day, 2-3 years.

>> No.16618289
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>>16618012
Ferrars huevo

>> No.16618311

>>16618245
In my experience it was about 1.5 years

>> No.16618462

>>16618224

Do you mean reading without looking anything up, or not having to stop and translate into English to understand but still having to look up some words?

>> No.16618481

>>16618289
>hybrid
I'm sorry, what?

>> No.16618483

>>16618462
I'd guess they were mostly referring to the former, but I'm actually more curious about the latter.

>> No.16618490

>>16618012
>>16615892
I'm the first guy with the shitty handwriting, that's actually the clearest analogy I've gotten, so writing exactly like it shows up in a font makes your kana/kanji look more like "a" than an actual a? I mean if I'm ever in the situation where I haven't learned it properly yet and need to write, copying compooters is a decent bandaid solution, but I'm definitely gonna learn the right way now, thanks
onwards to weebdom

>> No.16618513
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16618513

How can I say "full starboard", as if I was the captain of a ship?

>> No.16618516

I hate to ask it, but what's the point of being able to handwrite kanji? I was under the impression that almost no one ever hand writes anymore.

>> No.16618537

>>16618516

None unless you want to be employed in Japan.

>> No.16618539

>>16618483

Latter was very quick for me.

I started looking up words in doujinshi as I went along and I could intuitively understand it a matter of days later, albeit with a limited vocabulary.

I'd learnt the basics about 7 years before that, had watched raw anime for about 3 years, and had used anki for about 4 years, so it wasn't starting from scratch, but I couldn't really use the language for reading at all before.

>> No.16618540

>>16618537
or for fun

>> No.16618551

>>16618513

面舵いっぱい!

Full port is:
取り舵いっぱい!

Any Haifuri watcher could tell you that:

https://youtu.be/x6LOwgNeivM
https://youtu.be/WgmPDFV2TSc

>> No.16618576

>>16618516
If you don't need to do a lot of handwriting it's enough to learn "handwriting in theory" (Being able to draw a kanji, name the components, visualize the kanji in your head). RTK by James Heisinger-sensei for example teaches "handwriting in theory". While "handwriting in practice" might take a lot of time and extra effort to learn, the time spent on learning "handwriting in theory" is fairly low and the extra confidence in being able to recognize kanji will surely pay off, especially if you ever have the pleasure to read anything other than that one font your anki and favorite eroge uses.

>> No.16618581

>>16618516
I mainly just use it as a way of getting to grips with unfamiliar kanji, forcing myself to pay attention to every detail.

>> No.16618604

仮想空間の法則に適応した人型戦闘兵器。虚構の世界で殺しあうために、人が編み出した虚構の兵器。

I'm fairly lost on the meaning of this section from Baldr Sky. The game seems as easy to read as I was assured (aside from unhookable tutorials) and a lot more interesting than nanatsuiro drops.

What I have so far : adapted to rules of the model of the net to use weapons. The fictitious world we devised in order to murder, to use fake weapons.

>> No.16618610

>>16618551
>面舵いっぱい!
Figures, I thought this guy was saying something like "oppai-giga" for the longest time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzFr-uNTXxc
3:36

>> No.16618612

>>16618481
Writing that simple round "a" as in "Gay" is a cursive trait.
With hybrid I mean people who do this kind of stuff. Most write uppercases or random letters in cursive mode, but leave them separated and write most of the other letters like print writing.

>> No.16618619

>>16618612
>Writing that simple round "a" as in "Gay" is a cursive trait.
No, actually.
>Most write uppercases or random letters in cursive mode, but leave them separated and write most of the other letters like print writing.
I see, you don't even know what cursive is.

>> No.16618622

>>16618604
>the model of the net to use weapons
Are you machine translation or something? This is not a sentence a human would come up with and thus I feel reluctant to help you. It also seems like you lack basic Tae Kim grammar such as で.

>> No.16618630

>>16618040
Thank you anon.

>> No.16618636

>>16618612
It's a post-uncial trait.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Evolution_of_minuscule.svg

The full two-story minuscule a as used in typefaces comes from protogothic latin, and postdates alpha-style (single story) minuscule a.

>> No.16618650
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>>16618619
>>16618636
This is very simple. No newspaper, book or what have you will use the simple, round a. If you write it like that, even if you can use the excuse that "but some fonts have it!", you are deviating from the purpose of writing like print style, which is looking like print style.

Unless you intend writing in italics.

>> No.16618658

>>16618650
>This is very simple.
It is simple. But your logic is literally wrong and not representative of reality at all.

>No newspaper, book or what have you will use the simple, round a.
Some do.

>If you write it like that, even if you can use the excuse that "but some fonts have it!", you are deviating from the purpose of writing like print style, which is looking like print style.
The purpose of print handwriting is to be legible. Single-story "a" is by not means not a print letter. That's something you made up. It's not real. Yes, cursive uses single-story "a", that doesn't mean single-story "a" is a cursive thing at all.

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>>16618650
Point is: no problem in writing "print style" in Japanese, as long as you keep consistence and not hybridize, with a few kanji looking cursive and others looking like a computer font..

>> No.16618670

>>16618664

Nobody writes their n, m or a like that. You're delusional. Do you even live in a country that uses english to write?

>> No.16618671

>>16618664
>Point is: no problem in writing "print style" in Japanese
Print style in japanese is not copying display fonts. If you copy display fonts, you are not writing print style, you are writing display font style.

https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html#fonts

You see FC Kyoukasho and Yu Kyokasho? Those are textbook fonts. That's the actual print form of the characters. No, it is *not* "cursive". Yes, japanese has an equivalent of cursive. No, textbook fonts are not cursive. Yes, textbook fonts represent how you write japanese. No, display fonts do not represent how you write japanese. Yes, there are things that display fonts do that no handwriting will do. No, it is not normal or "print' to replicate those display font traits.

>>16618670
This too.

>> No.16618679

>>16618670

My French teacher told us that is how they write n and m.

>> No.16618682

>>16618679
Your french teacher was wrong.

>> No.16618683

Is it normally a coincidence when a turn of phrase seems to match up with an english equivalent, or could it often point to western influences? I'm talking about expressions like [adjective]そのもの, stuff like that.

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>>16618679
>>16618682
Or you just didn't understand them. Those letters are written with half staffs.

>>16618683
Japanese and english both have rather analytic grammar aside from the obvious differences in word order, marking, and verbal conjugation.

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16618692

My god, no-one fucking cares how you write you fucking autists.

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>>16618670
>>16618671
Yes, it happens, I have corrected written texts with those features, although pic related is more common.
Your average student doesn't give a crap and mix all sorts of styles in it.

>> No.16618697

>>16618693
w is not written with the monkey tail.

Those "monkey tails" are the invention of an educator that was trying to unify cursive and print handwriting (and failed, obviously). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Nealian

>> No.16618698

>>16618682

She was literally French.

>>16618688

She literally wrote it on the board like that.

>> No.16618700

>>16618698
>She was literally French.
Natives can be wrong.
>She literally wrote it on the board like that.
See >>16618697

>> No.16618716

>>16618698
She was just exaggerating it to show you that having no staff at all as in >>16618289 is wrong.

>> No.16618734

おはようおにいちゃん

しゅくだいしてないけど

ともだちのうつせばなんとかなるよ

>> No.16618737

>>16618693
Why is there an uppercase D in the middle of normal writing?

Actually, anon, I think you have dysgraphia.

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16618741

Hey DJT I got a problem, I didn't read for quite some time because I barely had time to do so.
In order to fix this I planned on reading at least 1 hour everyday using a timer to make sure I don't cheat.

I did just that and noticed reading for 1 hour really isn't such a hard task while I still learn stuff and improve, it doesn't even feel like an hour to be quite honest.
Now the problem is, I noticed I spent 120min per day on fucking anki, like I mentioned I don't have much free time and this massively cuts into my reading time.

Any idea how to fix this?

I thought about capping reviews (currently around 400-500) or just doing anki for like 60min and if I didn't complete it leave the cards for the next day or something like that.
I could also do a cramming session every now and then but that would be even more time spent on anki.

I suck when it comes to anki and my retention is piss poor, reading a word 2-3 times in actual content makes me remember much easier but I think I can't drop anki completely.

>> No.16618748

>>16618697
>and failed, obviously
Well, if people are still writing like that, he succeeded into crapping up the system with inconsistencies, don't you think?

>>16618716
Staffs are like serifs, they are not needed in handwriting and just reflect stroke order.
A g has a bump on the top right side because the circle is made counter-clockwise and then descends. The essential is to write the shape of the letter accurately, nobody cares if you do your X starting from the right or left leaning stroke.

>>16618741
>500 reviews
Are you mining every single word you encounter?
Cap your new cards per day at 20 (or to 0 for a couple weeks to cut your reviews in half) and then refrain from mining more than your daily limit, start selectively mining words that look more important than others.
There is not point in stacking up a pile of thousands of words that you will be reviewing months from now, since the advantage of mining is context and the context will be already long forgotten in that way.

>> No.16618749

>>16618741
What's your retention?

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242

If it's below like 75% (probably is based on your number of reviews), stop adding new cards in whatever shared deck you're using and only do reps. Then start a mining deck for new cards. This will reduce the time you spend on anki because your retention on the mining deck will be higher.

In the worst case scenario, you could change the minimum interval for lapsed cards as in https://djtguide.neocities.org/assets/res/anki_settings.png , but this will also affect your retention and should just be looked as a last resort against spending less time on leeches that you already have.

>> No.16618752

>>16618741
Why the fuck do you talk about anki without mentioning your new cards a day? If it's higher than 20 set it to that. And 1 hour of reading is way too low if you want to get anywhere in less than a decade.

>> No.16618756

>>16618741

Just drop anki.

There's a point where it just becomes a drain.

>> No.16618759

Best way to study is Heisig order with rote memorization

>> No.16618760

>>16618741
Only use anki for the words you absolutely can't remember without it.

>> No.16618765

>>16618748
>Well, if people are still writing like that,
They don't, fortunately. Nobody uses monkey tails.

Note that the staffs are not monkey tails.

>Staffs are like serifs

Objectively wrong.

>they are not needed in handwriting and just reflect stroke order.

Modern latin manuscript handwriting does not have stroke order. Stroke order depends on the specific sequence of letters being written. The reason for the specific shapes letters have is to prevent this from causing ambiguities like how your "um" in 'human' in >>16618289 , which looks like "un", not "um'.

And yes, the staffs are "mandatory" in the sense that not writing them is *not normal* and *will cause your handwriting to contain wrong/ambiguous shapes like yours is already shown ti.*

>> No.16618771

>>16618759
No.

>> No.16618777

>>16618748
You don't understand. Those staffs are part of the shape of the letter. If you leave them out, you are writing a different letter. The difference between v and u is not their roundness, but whether there is a staff. v is taught to be rounded in many countries.

Writing without the staffs isn't like writing with a different stroke order or without a decoration. It's writing with an entirely different character. Like replacing all instances of T with 7.

>> No.16618781

>>16618771
What do you think the best way is then? In isolation only

>> No.16618784

>>16618777

自閉症だよ。

じ・へい・しょう

>> No.16618785

>>16618781
Not in isolation.

But if you absolutely must study in isolation, use literally anything other than RTK. RTK is literally the bottom of the barrel and is only relevant because of how heavily pushed it was.

>> No.16618790

>>16618784
自閉症のはアナタぞ

>> No.16618794

>>16618765
It's not ambiguous because an n is just an upside-down u. No staffs.
The staffs that you assume are the thing adding this supposed ambiguity.

Seriously, un qdpb, just rotated versions of the same shit.
(There is also yh and wm, depending on who's writing, but I don't do that shit.)

>>16618777
>rounded v
Nope. Will only happen if people write with staffs or weird mixes.

>> No.16618801

>>16618794
>>It's not ambiguous because an n is just an upside-down u. No staffs.
And n has a staff. Yes staffs.

>The staffs that you assume are the thing adding this supposed ambiguity.
The staffs are because there are staffs. Your assumption that there aren't staffs is literally wrong. Everyone is taught to use staffs.

>> No.16618807

>>16618790
Protip in Japanese it's
お前もな

>> No.16618812
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16618812

>>16618794
>>rounded v
>Nope.
Yes. Objectively yes. You are wrong. Rounded v is a thing. Period.

>> No.16618816

>>16618807
There's no も there.

>> No.16618827

>>16618790

いや、あんた世界一番自閉症ガキやなぁ、本間。

>> No.16618834

>>16618827
I'm sorry, could you try posting in japanese?

>> No.16618838

>>16618224
If you read VNs I think you'll find it clicks eventually for each one, even your first, and then unclicks when you start a new one.

>> No.16618839

>>16618812
By the way, despite looking like a mess, that image is manuscript writing, not cursive. Just before he tries to assume that.

>> No.16618860
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16618860

>>16618812
Nice example of a totally bastardized style, with fs and capital is going underground, rounded a, connected letters and ns that look like two dots: ..

By the way, I DO use one ambiguity solver: a stroke over and under capital i, because it looks like a lowercase L otherwise. Other than that, the script works pretty well without all this useless pedantry.

>>16618801
Okay, keep adding problems to your handwriting, I made a series of vuvuvuvuvuvus and arguably only two of them are hard to distinguish.

>> No.16618862

>>16618827
Please do not use Kansai-ben ``kudasai''

>> No.16618878

>>16618860
>>Nice example of a totally bastardized style,
That's J R R Tolkein's handwriting. You're out of your league.

>Other than that, the script works pretty well without all this useless pedantry.
As long as you admit that your handwriting is not normal I don't care.

>> No.16618880

>>16618834

何した?

わがらねぇぎゃ?

よぐ聞ぐよ。

>> No.16618883

>>16618860
>Okay, keep adding problems to your handwriting, I made a series of vuvuvuvuvuvus and arguably only two of them are hard to distinguish.
Normal handwriting is the opposite of problematic. Yours is problematic. Your handwriting is not normal. Using it as an example in an argument was a major mistake.

>> No.16618885

みんな、やめようね
仲良くしましょう

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16618894

>>16618885
そうですよね
喧嘩しちゃダメ!

>> No.16618899

>>16618878
>J R R Tolkein
Never heard of the guy.

>> No.16618905

>>16618899
You might not know him, he's pretty obscure. He's a famous impersonator that only gets away with it because the name is slightly different.

>> No.16618916

>>16618885
ぼくのいちばんだいすきなどうぶつはきりんです。くびがひじょうにながいどうぶつです。きみもすきなどうぶつとかありますか。

>> No.16618917

>>16618905
He's famous because everyone knows him, but he's obscure because nobody knows that he's an impersonator.

>> No.16618928

>>16618878
Ah, then that's fine!
My goal was never to have a pretty style, but a clear-cut, legible one.

Tolkien is an admirer of pretty scripts and wrote Tengwar to emphasize that, with staves and curves being its basic concept. It gives it a nice aspect and a literary touch.

His handwriting DOES look pretty, but it's not consistent or optimized for reading. If you look at "unpleasant", the u and the n look almost identical, for instance. And "company" could very well be coiupany.
The whole point of this discussion is making clear kanji instead of shorthanded shit because I care about shape more than I care about flow. Unless I'm deliberately looking for a cursive feel, case in which I'll stylize it following stroke order.

>> No.16618936

>>16618916
スローロリスがすきです。ちいさくてかわいいどうぶつです。

>> No.16618949

>>16618928
>The whole point of this discussion is making clear kanji instead of shorthanded shit
If you want to write "clear kanji" then see >>16618671
>>https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html#fonts
>You see FC Kyoukasho and Yu Kyokasho? Those are textbook fonts. That's the actual print form of the characters. No, it is *not* "cursive". Yes, japanese has an equivalent of cursive. No, textbook fonts are not cursive. Yes, textbook fonts represent how you write japanese. No, display fonts do not represent how you write japanese. Yes, there are things that display fonts do that no handwriting will do. No, it is not normal or "print' to replicate those display font traits.

The glyph forms in textbook fonts have gone through the hellfire of over two thousand years of evolution to be "clear kanji". There are some things that you can write out of stroke order, but the general stroke order is essentially inherent in the shape of the glyphs. To use a radically different stroke order, you have to write slowly or write the wrong glyphs.

Note that this is not cursive, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calligraphy#Techniques

>> No.16618961

>>16618949
Translation from nerd to weeaboo:

Kyoukasho is the pen-or-print version of kaisho. Kaisho is literally the "correct" way to write kanji (as in not cursive), but it requires a fude pen or brush. Kyoukasho is, therefore, literally how kanji are handwritten.

>> No.16618962

>>16618894

えっ?

学校の廊下だけの映像でしょ?

本文と関係わからん...

>> No.16618996
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16618996

>>16618961
is that what this is

>> No.16618999

>>16618996
No, those are ryakuji, abbreviations.

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16619013

>>16618949
>>16618961
>言 has a vertical stroke at the top
嫌だ!反対します、ごみん。
But that's good information to keep in mind, so my head became good today. Sankyuu.

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16619028

>>16619013
You can write it mostly horizontal if you want, just don't make it perfectly flat. It's flat in display fonts because that's necessary to fit small numbers of pixels while remaining a feature.

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16619053

>>16619028

>> No.16619058

>>16619053
Meiryo is a bad display font

>> No.16619143 [DELETED] 

>>16601443
このスレって相変わらずバカ

何年やってんの 

あと何年コレ続けんの

日本語で道に迷ったマペット野郎どもへ

ガンバ

youtu.be/LIsY8KdyX40#t=27

>> No.16619202
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16619202

>>16618936
なにそれ

どうぶつえんにいない

>> No.16619546

>>16618697
While we are at it:
Does anyone know this "New South Wales" Script (anno 1930 or 1980)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgMaFiCkjRQ&t=28s

>> No.16619651

What is 女がらみ?

>> No.16619655

>>16619028
your box is sloppy and brings great shame to family

>> No.16619664

>>16619655
yes, that is so

>> No.16619694

>>16619651
女絡み
involvement with women

>> No.16619731
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16619731

I made some Anki cards for memorizing major regions, but I realized a little later that there's so few of them that I had already learned them by the time I finished making the cards. Oh well.

>While the use of the terms "Kansai" and "Kinki" have changed over history, in most modern contexts the use of the two terms is interchangeable.
How much can I trust this? Japanese wikipedia is pretty clear about Kinki including Mie prefecture while Kansai doesn't. But I do see people mention Kansai a lot more often, and I don't think they use it just to exclude Mie.

>> No.16619767

>>16619731
三重は地域では関西だけど

文化は関西ではないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>> No.16619928

>>16619731
Wanna share the cards? I wouldn't mind learning them.

>> No.16620055

>>16619928
Trying to upload it to ankiweb, but it won't upload the pictures. Any clue what's up?

>> No.16620068
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16620068

Why do people recommend IMABI over Tae Kim, when it's so littered with mistakes?

>> No.16620072

>>16618741
ankidrone strikes again

>> No.16620075

>>16620055
Nevermind, found the checkbox for it. Now I just gotta wait for it to synch god knows what in addition to the tiny bit I want it to synch.

>> No.16620082

>>16620068
I don't see the mistake there, it's just stupid.

>> No.16620157

>>16619928
Alright, here you go.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/517841818

As you'll notice, it's actually a prefecture deck that I just added regions to as well. They're tagged separately in case you actually just want to learn the regions.

I also realized that the way it presents the cards in ankiweb makes it look completely retarded, so there goes my hope of people stumbling upon it and downloading.

>> No.16620184

>>16620157
Thank you.

>> No.16620246

>>16619202
近くの動物園にいるよ
ユーチューブで探してみ
かわいいよ

>> No.16620264

死なない
知らない
死ぬまえに
した内

>> No.16620275

エイズ手に入れました

>> No.16620385
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16620385

why is learning japanese so fun?

>> No.16620399

>>16620385
ツッコミ

>> No.16620427

>>16620385
何も学び取れないやつばっかだけど

>> No.16620462

What's the deal with 問うた, 問いた, and 問った?

>> No.16620471

>>16620462
It's an irregular verb.

>> No.16620478

>>16620471
Is it?

>> No.16620486

>>16620478
It sure is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_irregular_verbs#Euphony

>> No.16620516

>>16620486
Does that apply to all ~ou godan verbs?

>> No.16620528 [DELETED] 

Just those three as far as I know.
追って
纏って
漂って
沿って
et al

>> No.16620533

>>16620516
Just those three as far as I know.
追って
纏って
漂って
沿って
et al

>> No.16620782
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16620782

意味ないじゃんw

>> No.16621062

死んだくね

>> No.16621117

>>16601443
Anyone aiming for a translation career?

>> No.16621128

>>16621117
Translation yes, career no.

>> No.16621132

>>16621117
出来たらいいなとは思うけど実際のところ無理なんだろうね
I wouldn't even know where to begin.
夢のままで終わっちまいそう

>> No.16621138

>>16621117
I've thought about it. Mostly because I don't have many other options. Doubt much will come out of it.

>> No.16621140

>>16621128
What do you mean, do you want to be a fan translator?

>> No.16621143

>>16621140
I'm going to be a freelance translator.

>> No.16621153

>>16620782
Why is that word censored? Is there a lewd meaning behind it?

>> No.16621156

>>16621117
I'm not a retard so nope.

>> No.16621158

>>16621153
Not lewd, just offensive. It's roughly on par with calling someone retarded in modern American society.

>> No.16621197

>>16621158
I see, cheers!

>> No.16621342

Speaking of word censoring, what's the reasoning behind it? It's kind of odd that you can include all sorts of fucked up shit in your eromanga but you still need to write ち◯こ.

>> No.16621381

>>16621342
licensing

>> No.16621382

>>16621342
Probably some stupid law.

>> No.16621383
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16621383

>好
>the kanji for "like" is made of woman, and child

>> No.16621385

>>16621383
Who are you quoting?

>> No.16621403
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16621403

>>16621383
the kanji for 森 is made up of little 木
i dont have a point, it just is

>> No.16621424

>>16621403
that's nothing

>> No.16621437

Is there any reason to learn how to write?
Even if you had a job in nippon would you need to write by hand?

>> No.16621490
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16621490

>>16621383

No pedo.

It's meant to be a mother's love for their child.

>>16621403

I'm pretty sure there's a Kanji made of FOUR tree radicals, but I can't find it even in Chinese dictionaries.

>> No.16621501

>>16621437
>Is there any reason to learn how to write?
It's fun.
>Even if you had a job in nippon would you need to write by hand?
Yep.

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16621520

>>16621490
>made of FOUR tree radicals
そんなバカな!信じませんよ

>> No.16621525

>>16620385
That's my buraku village, you should delete that post or you will get lynched to death.

Be careful, the Burakumin are more dangerous than Yakuza.

>> No.16621553

need a new thread

>> No.16621580

>>16621520

>> No.16621603

>>16621580
get out of here with that gook shit

>> No.16621607

>>16621553
Not while this one is still up.

>> No.16621623

>>16621607
how many posts for autosage?

>> No.16621624

>>16621580
なにそれみたことない

でもこれはよくでるよ

>贔屓

がんばっておにいちゃん

>> No.16621640

>>16621623
It's been on autosage for over 200 posts now. /jp/ is slow, take it easy.

>> No.16621642
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16621642

>hard ass question about history, politics or some shit full of sickass kanji and whatnot
>think you understood a fair amount and made a good guess with the remaining 2 or three answers you didnt eliminate
>next question
>IMA NANJI DESU KA

God I should be better fuck. Doesn't help the first vocab question I knew for sure but wasnt awre the timer was so short and timed out.

>> No.16621654

>>16621642
Who are you quoting?

>> No.16621663

>>16621654
Same question here. I'm genuinely curios.

>> No.16621678

>>16621603

That one is actually Kanji.

>>16621624

It is so rare it doesn't even have a defined usage in Japanese.

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16621684

>>16621663
you're a sack treasure? please be a sack treasure

>> No.16621694

>>16621654
No one, I didn't use quotation marks anywhere. I used the "greater than" symbol which was defined use on 4chan, where it makes text green and nothing else. As such it has come to be used to explain situations and/or happenings similar to how other places use asterisks (*action*) or italics.

If you happened to think these greater than symbols were ever designated as quotes or come to bear that meaning through usage, then I'm afraid you're mistaken.

You autistic stupid fuck.

>> No.16621707

>>16621694
>If you happened to think these greater than symbols were ever designated as quotes
They were.
Learn some basic internet history.

>> No.16621710

>>16621694
>If you happened to think these greater than symbols were ever designated as quotes or come to bear that meaning through usage, then I'm afraid you're mistaken.
Even if you were right (you're not), that's exactly how it's used in this board. Now, please read http://www.4chan.org/faq#quote and kindly kill yourself out of /jp/.

>> No.16621734

>>16621707
>>16621710
True. This is a known fact of the internet.

>> No.16621738

365のオープニングいいかもしれない

うただけね

>> No.16621884

日本語を完全にマスターした後でここにくる理由はないんじゃない?

>> No.16621900

>>16621738
どういうこと?へんっすねそりゃ

>> No.16621903

>>16621884
でもここにいることは日常になったから仕方ないじゃない

>> No.16621912

>>16621884
安心感?

>> No.16622007

>>16621900
これー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckL3l_bldro

>> No.16622242
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16622242

>>16620462
>>16620533
we can say 「 問いて(問ひて)」, but never say 「問いた」
but we use 「問かけた」 usually as the past form of 「問う(問ふ)」

サ行以外の五段動詞連用形は、「た」「て」などに下接する場合は、「問う・訪う・請う・乞う・恋う」などの例外を除いて、音便をおこします

"これらの語の過去形は「質問した(問いかけた)」や「請求した(請いかけた)」のように連語で用いられることが多く、使用頻度が少ないため、むしろ口語体に適用できなかった語というべきであろう。"
Refer to the following
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%94%E6%AE%B5%E6%B4%BB%E7%94%A8

ア行・タ行・ラ行……促音便
例 会う→会った、会って 立つ→立った、立って 走る→走った
カ行・ガ行……イ音便
例 書く→書いた、脱ぐ→脱いだ
ナ行・マ行・バ行……撥音便
例 死ぬ→死んだ、読む→読んだ、呼ぶ→呼んだ

例外 文語ハ行……ウ音便
問う(ふ)・訪う(ふ)・請う(ふ)・乞う(ふ)・恋う(ふ)

>> No.16622459

Hey guys !
Do you know good links for watching anime with jap subtitle? It appears that there is a stream like this too, someone have it?

>> No.16622554

Hey guys, I'd just like your input on learning Japanese. I've got memory problems stemming back more than fifteen years and it's made learning almost anything extremely difficulty. Basically, anything I learn isn't really something I remember until months down the line for no reason.

I have learned a second language starting from when I was a kid so I know I can do it, and I've managed to get both Hiragana and Katakana down pat but it took about a month and a half to get all those down, and I can't particularly remember how to write any of them despite seeing them here daily and writing them down fifty fucking times.

I've put effort into both Kanji Damage (Made it to 150 cards in about a month before realizing I remembered maybe 20 of them and was sitting there for almost two hours redoing nearly all of them over and over while 12 more got added each day while never recalling On/Kun readings properly) and Tae Kim's RTK book (Made it to about 300 there before realizing I'm learning none of the readings, not remembering all of the meanings for them in general, and studying again takes about two hours even with mnemonics) before just stopping due to being unable to remember while being overloaded.

Do you guys think it's just worth putting this in the past and not trying? I know people have said to do vocabulary instead of grinding Kanji since grinding it is insanity at times and just puts you off, and I'm open to that, I just have no idea how to actually go about that if that's the case. To me it seems like with vocab you're just learning random Kanji put together and then hopefully down the line understanding the readings of each individual one without ever really grasping the radicals to make seeing other Kanji comprised of the radicals easier to understand.

Thanks for any input.

>> No.16622577

>>16622554
Man, that sucks. I would also recommend going with the vocabulary approach - download the Core2k6k deck from the CoR and find a number of new cards/day that you're comfortable with. Start at 10 or so and adjust it accordingly.
>To me it seems like with vocab you're just learning random Kanji put together and then hopefully down the line understanding the readings of each individual one without ever really grasping the radicals to make seeing other Kanji comprised of the radicals easier to understand.
That's basically it, instead of studying each kanji deliberately you just learn the words that they make up and eventually they'll stick.

>> No.16622605

>>16622577
That was the thing, 10 still felt like a crazy amount to learn (Kanji Damage was pushing 16 I think at the start and I had to tone it way down) and I know it has to be that way since even at that amount 3k is just short of an entire year of studying without even really doing grammar. It's nice at first since obviously you know nothing and you want to learn more but then you hit about 100 and it's like you have a crushing weight on you when you remember next to none of it nor the readings.

How do I go about On/Kun readings? Any recommendations on how to differentiate specifically or is that just something you learn along the way with vocab? I think that was one of the tough ones since things like 月 had three readings I believe it was つき, げつ, and がつ, but I could never differentiate which one when trying to remember it.

>> No.16622615

>>16622554
What are/were your grades like? What is your job?

>> No.16622620

>>16622615
>What are/were your grades like?
B's mainly from what I can remember, highschool was a blur and didn't do college.

>What is your job?
Nothing which is why I have time for such a thing like learning a language.

>> No.16622631

>>16622605
I can't relate to your situation, but I wouldn't worry that much about it because Anki is specifically designed to take care of that. If 10 is too overwhelming you can try 5 or 7 or whatever. It might be slow, but learning an entire new language takes time, and the more words you know, the easier it is to learn new ones, so you can increase your card load over time.
Don't bother with uncontextualized readings. Instead of 月(つき・げつ・がつ), learn the words 月(つき, moon), 月曜日(げつようび, Monday), and 八月(はちがつ, August).

>> No.16622638

>>16622631
Thanks a bunch, I'll give it a go and see what I can manage.

>> No.16622671

今日は時間がないから何も読められない。

>> No.16622686

Has anyone here tried to modify the interval settings in Anki? I feel like I get spammed with reviews to the point where it's inefficient. Testing some stuff with a new vocab deck.

>> No.16622708

How would I pronounce the 'W' in certain archaic characters? I was told it was silent, so do I say "Kaworu" and "Tewi" like "Kaoru" and "Tei"?

>> No.16622767

>>16621490
>It's meant to be a mother's love for their child.
Stop. It is MY love for my wife and child.

>> No.16622850

>>16622708
>so do I say "Kaworu" and "Tewi" like "Kaoru" and "Tei"?
Yes, that's how you're supposed to read them nowadays

>> No.16622873

Any good places to look up onomatopoeia?

Or can someone tell me what にまにま is

>> No.16622880

>>16622873
Smile/Grin/Laugh

>> No.16622905

>>16622671
Wtf is 読められない? Some kind of double potential?

>> No.16622910

>>16622905
Potential + Passive
"Can't be read"

>> No.16622937

>>16622910
Ah, of course. For some reason I keep thinking that the passive should come first in that sort of combo.

>> No.16622949

>>16622910
>>16622905
I fucked it up. It should've been 読まれなかった. Wasn't able to read anything.

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16622964

>> No.16622971

>>16622964
こいつが俺のワイフ。澪にいいことを言ってください。

>> No.16622992

Listening practice time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcXsLaYzATM

>> No.16622995

>>16622992
Whoops, wrong video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COXCojRKbk8

>> No.16623083

ITHVNR seems to have repetition sperging for this VN I picked up which messes with the parsing. First time it happened, any way to fix? The suppress repetition in the options doesn't do anything at all...

>> No.16623135

>>16623083
Make sure you have the newest version of ITHVNR and search for an H-Code for that VN. I doubt either one will solve the problem, but it is all I can think of.

>> No.16623172

>>16623083
That would happen randomly to the previous VN I played and was always fixed by detaching and re-attaching the process.

If you know JavaScript and are using the Firefox set-up it would probably be easy to fix it there.

>> No.16623175

>>16621117
My Japanese skill is the closest thing I have to a marketable skill (despite not actually being fluent), but from trying to translate a few doujinshi in my spare time, I know I'd absolutely hate doing it as a job. It requires a lot of creativity, but your creativity will never ever be appreciated. If readers don't hate you for making extremely dull literal translations, they'll hate you for taking too many liberties. Translators are essentially just a necessary evil.

>> No.16623194

>>16623175
Translating doujinshi is not a career.

>> No.16623217

>>16623194
The same shit applies even more to anything you'd translate professionally. It would be more complex, thus harder to translate accurately. People would have higher expectations, you can't tell them "it's just porn guys!". And you'd have to deal with deadlines and shit on top of all that. I've read a few anecdotes from professional translators, and my impression is that employers don't really give a shit whether you have enough time to do a good job, they'd rather let you just make shit up than reduce your workload.

>> No.16623225

>>16623217
>my impression is that employers don't really give a shit whether you have enough time to do a good job, they'd rather let you just make shit up than reduce your workload.
That's horrible. It seems like a lot of jobs are like that, where they prefer speed over quality. What happened to slow and steady?

>> No.16623248

>>16623217
Depends on what kind of translation you work with, I guess. I reckon translating scientific articles, for example, from Japanese to English would be much easier than you'd expect, since no researcher in their right mind would fill their papers with abstract kawaii onomatopoeia. And, considering English has a ridiculously vast arsenal of scientific terms and terminology for you to choose from, "to take liberties or not to take liberties" should hardly be an issue

>> No.16623288

https://github.com/mireado/ITHVNR/releases/tag/3.5641.0-alpha.1

Is this the newest ITHVNR? When I download it it's in Korean

>> No.16623293

>>16623225
There's a big mindset in business that everything needs to be quantifiable. It makes a lot of sense if you're an engineer: When you're trying to design an efficient process, you need a completely objective measure of its efficiency. How do you know that your translators are working efficiently? You can't look at the quality of their output, because there's no effectively quantifiable measure of a good translation. All you can look at is the amount of work produced within a timeframe. So you want to raise that as high as possible, only stopping when the whole process fails so badly that it's impossible to ignore.

I really hope this meme of treating humans like machines will end soon.

>>16623248
That makes sense, but it doesn't sound very fun. One of the draws of a translation job is that you could be translating the very stuff you started learning the language for.

>> No.16623313

>>16623288
download ithvnr from the thread, not from git

>> No.16623324

>>16623313
Hongfire one? That one is version 3.5640.1 which is pretty old I think

>> No.16623327

>>16623324
not from the opening post, from the latest post that contains a download

it's annoying, i know

>> No.16623333

>>16623324
Pre8r
ITHVNR3.5640.Pre8r

>> No.16623352

>>16623293
It's a job, it doesn't need to be fun. The main thing that interests me is that most translation jobs seem to be freelance, which is quite attractive.

>> No.16623353

>>16623327
>>16623333
Oh wow it hooks a game now that didn't work at all before so I put it off for the future. I'm so happy!

>> No.16623453
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16623453

Hehehey guys, whats' up.

By the way, my rikaisama's got broken, cant mine no more. What happened?

>> No.16623465

>>16623453
Disable Rikaichan.

>> No.16623475

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>> No.16623480

>>16623475
cloudflare?

>> No.16623483

>>16623465
Oh, I've hit my new intellectual low today, thank you, anon.

>> No.16623488

>>16623475
Fuck, Russians are gonna hack my mined deck and find all my lewd words.

>> No.16623515
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16623515

>>16622767

I don't see any kind of pronoun in that Kanji.

I invented a new one so you can be safe in your delusion.

>> No.16623519

>>16623475
Nice of them to tell me eight fucking times instead of once. Seriously, how long are they going to keep this message up? I really don't care if a Ruskie knows I use qwerty as my throwaway password for shit like this, I don't use it for anything important.

>> No.16623552
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16623552

Does anyone know where I can find this book?

>> No.16623684

>>16623175
im sure this isnt true as you do have a mouth and a butt hole?

>> No.16623694

>>16623684
Something possessed by the entirety of the human population isn't a marketable skill, anon.

>> No.16623707

>>16623694
thats not what the doujin`s tell me

>> No.16623712
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16623712

I need your help, guys. I don't get the joke here. Tried looking up クリスマス+もらえる+彼氏 but obviously didn't find anything relevant. Any tips how to look up ネタ for jokes?

>> No.16623725

>>16623712
"sensei, what would you want?
"a boyfriend"

>> No.16623733

>>16623725
But kids asking what did she get.

>> No.16623735

>>16623175

I find doujinshi translators are generally fine, which is strange because I'd find trying to translate lewd things very awkward.

Anime subbers are awful. They seem to guesslate a hell of a lot, and change even basic things that they must know to have completely different meanings for no apparent reason.

>> No.16623740

>>16623712
I'm missing context, but here are my assumptions: the teacher is Christmas cake and this is a running joke in the manga.
She said she got a boyfriend for Christmas (lie) and the students are like "oh, right..." or something.

>> No.16623744

>>16623733
ok
then it's "h-haha-ha i got a boyfriend ha-haha"
christmas is a romantic holiday in japan, not a holy one

>> No.16623750

>>16623744
ok h-haha-ha

>> No.16623766

>>16622554
>Basically, anything I learn isn't really something I remember until months down the line for no reason.
Sounds like a good concept for a VN.

>> No.16623771

>>16623735
Translating any non-serialized work in your spare time allows you to work at your own pace. Subbing anime puts a lot more time pressure on you, either because your employer wants you to finish as fast as possible so they can pay you as little as possible, or because people are really impatient with sub releases.

>> No.16623775

>>16623740
>>16623744
I don't think that's all there is to that. Nico comments imply author used the joke wrongly/without knowing its origins.

The chapter in question (15th page):
http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg211412?track=verticalwatch_next2

>> No.16623801

>>16622554

You may have a minor B vitamin deficiency. Especially if you have motor skill problems.

Try taking milligram doses of Vitamin B12, specifically hydroxocobalamin, it is completely safe at extremely high doses up to 40 mg at least, so taking 1 or 5 mg isn't a risk at all. I also take Vitamin B6 at 100 mg every other day, but this can be overdosed on so be careful if you take that. A multivitamin too won't go amiss.

After taking both for a few months, I've learnt more in that time than the ten+ years prior.

>> No.16623803

>>16623775
djt is notorious for not getting the joke or being able to string two words together in japanese despite doing flashcards everyday so

>> No.16623859

>>16623775
It's just this.
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%81%82%E3%81%A3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB(%E5%AF%9F%E3%81%97)

I don't know why you were reading so deeply into the rest of it.

>> No.16623876

I dug up the readme of sakurautist's awful all in one learner's pack:

http://pastebin.com/raw/AbdirdZ1

Doesn't seem hard to replicate and outdo. I already started on it.

>> No.16623879

>>16623859
Thanks. It's just ホモ comments threw me off.

>> No.16623880

>>16623803
How do those Japanese kids manage it?

>> No.16623886

>>16623876
>sakurautist
Oh come the fuck on. Leave that shit behind already.

>> No.16623893

>>16623886
Sakurautist is the name of a combination of a person and a time period. It doesn't apply to the current person now that they've moved on.

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