/jp/ - Otaku Culture

https://youtu.be/7647Cyzj9JQ?t=2m57s

top kek

>>18629211
mfw people more successful than me aren't as good at Japanese as me

How do I stop getting discouraged? So far I've used Anki and reviewed, adding 10 new kanji or vocab every so often, and I feel as though I'm making little progress. I was told I'd be able to learn the language in about two years; in a couple of months it'll have been one year and I'm through 25% of the deck's kanji. I also wanted to learn Japanese for primarily three reasons: being able to read H-manga and doujins which catered to my niche tastes without having to worry about translations, being able to read manga as it releases, without having to worry about translations, and having a leg to stand on of sorts that I am able to accomplish something and I'm not completely worthless. I don't like to blog, but I'm putting everything out here because I want help and don't want to quit. All but the last reasons strike me as pretty silly reasons to want to learn a language, degenerate and hedonistic. In conjunction with my discouragement and slow progress, I feel like giving up again. Really, the only reason I haven't until now is sunken cost and how embarrassing it would have been to be so naive to think I could have done it.

I will note that I have scarcely studied grammar or practiced reading because I don't feel I know enough vocab or kanji to do so.

>>18629288
>degenerate and hedonistic
>how embarrassing

I'm guessing you're a young lad who's way too self conscious and thinks what anyone says about you actually matters. Protip: it doesn't. Stop being so influenced by what retards say on the internet and do what you want to. I'm guessing deep down you really do want to learn the language but have some sort of misguided reservations about it that you can't shake. Forget those and have fun with learning, the rest will come naturally.

>>18629288
Most good grammar books (as in, not Tae Kim garbage) teach you all the vocab they use for their examples. It's never too early to start studying grammar.

>>18629300
tae kim does and it's not garbage

>>18629298
It's not even "just on the internet," but it is disheartening when I'm throwing myself at trying to learn Japanese while others are enjoying far more success with what they are striving towards, even as they also manage to juggle it with their academic or career related goals. I wouldn't call myself a normalfag, but someone with poor self esteem. I've been attacked several times by a variety of people, and heck even studying in public I tilt my phone away from the gaze of people to avoid attracting their ire. I just want to do what I do in peace. I suppose I'm getting a little off topic and trying to not be self conscious is another issue entirely.

>>18629300
>>18629312
What's wrong with Tae Kim? I've heard it highly recommended. I do have ASSIMIL but I've not used it yet.

>>18629314
>What's wrong with Tae Kim?
nothing, they're one of those people who gets mad that people shit on the textbook they used

>>18629314
>I'm throwing myself at trying to learn Japanese while others are enjoying far more success with what they are striving towards, even as they also manage to
juggle it with their academic or career related goals

Yeah, on the internet everyone is a 6'6'' tall former pro football player with a PhD making 900k a year and dating a supermodel. Stop comparing yourself to others, it's the worst thing you can do, not just with regard to learning Japanese. Focus on yourself. And studying in public is impossible, for me at least, just do it at home.

>>18629288
>I have scarcely practiced reading
You can't expect to learn a language without being exposed to the language. In fact that is the only way to acquire a language. You can't just do Anki, it's useless without exposure to the language.
Secondly, you need to push yourself and go outside of your comfort zone (that means expose yourself to japanese even if it's hard) and not just "learn 10 new vocab in anki every so often".
Sounds like you spent little time learning, less than 1h per day on average, so you can't expect fast results with that kind of commitment anyway.

>>18629330
So I'll review in Anki daily as well as try to work on grammar. Maybe that will help.

>>18629337
Considering you ignored half of my post I don't think it will help. Just give up.

>>18629337
Those are just preparation for reading. You don't start learning until you start reading.

>>18629314
What's wrong with TK is that it throws kanji and vocab at you that beginners don't know, which completely ruins the idea of a basic grammar guide, considering that you cannot focus on the grammar terms when you can't understand the kanji it uses in the examples.

>>18629341
No, I'm sorry if it came across that way. I planned on studying for a greater amount of time as well.

>>18629346
>What's wrong with TK is that it throws kanji and vocab at you that beginners don't know,
The alternative is far worse. He provides a vocab list as well.

>>18629346
>What's wrong with TK is that it throws kanji and vocab at you that beginners don't know
Okay but you're just supposed to mouse over them to understand the examples and move on
>which completely ruins the idea of a basic grammar guide
Forcing people to learn arbitrary simple-seeming words before they can understand grammar explanations is stupid
>considering that you cannot focus on the grammar terms when you can't understand the kanji it uses in the examples.
see point one

>>18629346
>you cannot focus on the grammar terms when you can't understand the kanji it uses in the examples.

this sounds like a you problem

Enough with the normalfag shit already.

What is everyone reading at the moment?

>>18629372
flying witch and dracu riot

On-the-job training　なのか
Dow Jones Transports　なのか
どっちなのか

質問welcomeです

>>18629412
dont (know) japanese thread だよ

>>18629288
>adding 10 new kanji or vocab every so often
Be more consistent. You need to add cards every day.

>>18629372
Raburi keishon tsu

彼女は体調を崩しています

Somehow I don't think "She is under the weather" is even a proper figurative translation of this.

Sounds more like "Shes destroying her/the body:"

>>18629643
Are you implying that "She is destroying her body" is a better figurative translation? Because if you are, you're fansub material bud. Sign up at your nearest fansub community immediately

>>18629651
If you think "under the weather" and self harm are even remotely the same, you don't know English.

>>18629657
Oooh boy you are making me laugh.

https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E4%BD%93%E8%AA%BF%E3%82%92%E5%B4%A9%E3%81%99

Read this and weep. And try googling phrasal verbs you see that you're not sure about first, shitstain.

>>18629372
蹴りたい背中 on my brand new Kindle.

Is there a way to make only japanese text bigger/higher resolution in the browser? Tired of having to zoom in on indecipherable kanji in here then having to zoom out because of the picture-book sized english text.

>>18629657
Oh and by the way, just because 彼女 is the 主語 of that sentence doesn't actually mean she's actively or willingly causing herself harm. When you say 体調を崩す or 体を壊す it just means they've become ill.

>>18629682
this language is gay and fuck you also thanks

>>18629666
poetic sentiment...
>さびしさは鳴る。耳が痛くなるほど高く澄んだ鈴の音で鳴り響いて、胸を締めつけるから、せめて周りには聞こえないように、私はプリントを指で千切る。細長く、細長く。紙を裂く耳障りな音は、孤独の音を消してくれる。気怠げに見せてくれたりもするしね。葉緑体？　オオカナダモ？　ハッ。っていうこのスタンス。あなたたちは微生物を見てはしゃいでいるみたいですけど（苦笑）、私はちょっと遠慮しておく、だってもう高校生だし。ま、あなたたちを横目で見ながらプリントでも千切ってますよ、気怠く。っていうこのスタンス。

Matt helps people learn Japanese.

>>18629733
The part where she puts her head on the mountain of paper shreds was beautiful 2bh

Kawaii!
Am I Japan now?

>>18629751
>Am I Japan now?
That depends, how many times have you been nuked?

>>18629677
You can do that in firefox .
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-fonts-and-colors-websites-use

>>18629372
紅殻町博物誌

>>18629785
Thanks, but I think this only works if the page content explicitly declares what language the text content is in. Changing the japanese minimum font size does nothing for me in DJT.

That said, it looks like the default chrome jap font is just really awful, I can read it fine in FF so this works.

>>18629682
>>18629657
>>18629651
>>18629643

This is why you do sentence cards and not individual words

>>18629757
Nuke jokes will never be funny

>>18629930
Wow no need to blow up on that anon he was just joking

The first two nukes destroyed their cities, the final one destroyed their language. RIP Nukemarine

>>18629956
Who actually is Nukemarine? He seems to have been around for like 10 years, made a bunch of resources, and considers himself a self-assessed N3 japanese learner? Wouldn't that suggest one should basically be actively avoiding the stuff he's using/making?

Someone go ask Marine on his stream when the last time he read native material was and report back.

>>18630056
Does Genki count?

しゃないやね

We should name the next thread AJATT - Acquiring Japanese And Then Translating.

Truly the otaku decision.

>>18630046
Once people get into the intermediate and advanced stages of learning a language, they forget what it was like to be a beginner. Therefore the best person to make beginner material is an eternal beginner because they have the most experience being at that level.

>>18630184
eternal beginners logically would create more eternal beginners

Anyone here an eternal advanced?

We shouldn't have a next thread. Whether you do DJT, AJATT, or Nukemarine you never need to visit this thread

How accurately does the way anime/manga characters speak reflect reality?
Judging by what Tae Kim says in the guide, manga basically has a culture of its own.
Do male high school students use 俺 all the time?
Does anyone actually say "死ね"? How much of school-themed manga is bullshit?

>>18630174
more like awful japanese and terrible translating

>>18630253
You could solve all of your problems right now if you stopped watching manga and started reading real literature

>>18630253
Do any of us look like Japanese high schoolers?

>>18630253
>How accurately does the way anime/manga characters speak reflect reality?
What do you mean? Where words for manga\anime come from, how do you think? Only a handful of them derive from manga alone. It's just the usage of words and expressions (especially) highly depends on environment. Obviously you will have to talk differently when you're with people you hardly know or you're with your close friends. What is not reality?

>>18630294
>(especially)
I wanted to say "especially in japan"

>>18630278
Maybe a year from now I'll be able to.

I don't think I quite understand the sentence structure here, particularly:

>遅まで

Why is まで there?

Anyone know if there are jap subs for Konosuba floating around anywhere? Tried downloading some of the BD raws on Nyaa and couldn't find it, and only two of the eps are on kitsunekko

>>18630354
>Until late

What's wrong?

>>18630372
Chinese torrent site probably does.

>>18629664
The link confirms that 「体調を崩す」 has nothing to do with "under the weather", in case anyone didn't bother reading it and believed this retard.

What’s the threshold of new cards + relearned cards between workload increasing or decreasing each day? Though I’m guessing it’s probably not that simple.

Currently I spend anywhere from 1 to 2 hours a day on it. I’m learning a lot and find it fun so I’m not burned out, but of course it interferes with other things

>>18627508
A native answered this same question a while ago. >>18627596 was right.
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/76610386/#76696644

>>18630429
There a how-to for effectively searching for them?

>>18630457
Should get by searching with the Japanese title or romanization.

>>18630466
in which sites though?

>>18630449
By the way which volume and chapter is that from?

イジらないで、長瀞さん 第一巻 when
少女終末旅行 第六巻 when

>name changed back to DJT
>people actually start discussing japanese
really conjugates my verbs

>>18630429
What's the best one to try?

>>18630444
It grows logarithmically (so it grows slower and slower, almost nothing at all after a few months, even after few weeks only very slowly).
Something like pic related with horizontal axis being time and vertical being number of reps you have to do in a single day (assuming you are adding new cards all the time).

>>18630610
it's logarithmic but starts at a point and scale where the slope is 1:1 intersecting the origin x,y=0,0 rather than any old point

also, the worse your retention, the less logarithmic and more linear it is, but it's ultimately dominated by the logarithmic shape unless your retention is 0

>>18630489
>>18630609
Just try searching 字幕 in google and playing with the on site searches when you do land on Chinese torrent sites. Japanese subs may also just not exist so don't get your hopes up.

>>18630444
After a few months, you can expect to be doing somewhere in the region of 10*n, where n = number of new cards added per day.

This is of course just a rough approximation. Depending on your retention, it might vary quite a bit.

>>18630626
>you can expect to be doing
Probably should've phrased that differently.

*you can expect your daily amount of reviews to be

Should i be viewing new cards in core while mining

lmao

>>18630651
Fuck off with your e-celeb shit.

>>18630651
the bad: matt shilling shit that doesn't help
the good: matt shitting on things that do the opposite of help

kek

>>18630302
Books are far easier than manga.

おはようおにいちゃん

あさごはんに

さらだたべたい

>>18630664
What a sissy. The Japanese From Zero guy is clearly the one morally in the wrong considering he's selling books on a subject he doesn't know shit about and profiting off of spreading misinformation to gullible beginners. Someone posted one of his videos here before where he was having to use a dictionary to play some shitty Nintendo DS game or something for children. Matt should tell it to that Japanese From Zero guy straight that he has no business selling Japanese guides to other people when his own ability is so poor, and that whether it's intentional or not, he's activities are deceitful and immoral.

>>18629372

>>18630651
It's so obvious he wanted to make a response video but upon realizing the skill level that Matt's concentrated autism achieved he gave up

>>18629372
このすば, it's very fun.

>>18630677
I'd say books are overall more difficult but there is more overlap than people think.

>>18629372
gf got me One Punch Man but I can barely understand any of it ;(

I kinda feel bad not being able to use gift

>>18630677
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001341/files/49664_39423.html

>>18630881
Is that supposed to prove something?
You could argue that something like Kino no Tabi is far easier than even something as simple as Yotsuba

I've been reading bad web novels using google translate and I just wanted to share this line I found funny
俺としては食べごたえがあるのは望ましい。
"It is desirable for me to have an eating hat."

>>18630949
Give me a picture or a text of what you think is "harder than books" then we can talk.

>>18631062

>>18631073
0 unknown words. Nice try.

>>18629211
>Matt takes his video down over muh morals
>this post is immediately deleted along with it
Really made me think.

>>18631091
Is Matt a mod?

>>18631062
>>18631089

>>18631096
That's not what I was implying.

Admittedly, the evidence is entirely circumstantial and I might be wrong, but it looks like that post was originally made by Matt himself in order to shill his video. If the video was just linked by some random anon from the thread, there'd be no reason for him to go out of his way to manually delete the post just because Matt took his video down. The only reason to delete the post would be if you didn't want people asking questions about what the now-removed video was (for example, because you were the person who made the video but now feel guilty about having made it and want people to forget that it existed).

>>18631013
Google translate was a mistake

>>18631149
I'm under the impression that you can't delete your own post after a certain period of time.

Looks like he's also taken his two videos about Fluent Japanese From Anime, and also another video he made showing his Japanese book collection for some reason.

>>18631198
I can't recall there being any such restriction, but I'll try deleting this post 7 hours from now (about how long that post was up for) to test it and report back.

I remember I used to have a reader for android that had a built in dictionary, allowing you to tap on words to look them up, but I can't remember where I got it, anyone know?

>>18631241
Was it free?

>>18631268
Yeah, it was just a .apk you could download from some site

>>18631271
Oh, never mind then. Can't look something like that up on your purchase history.

Is there any reason not to delete all true cognates from my anki deck? How the hell am I gonna not recognize ミーティング or ゴルフ. Sure, I understand why the core 6k might include ズボン or スマート but...

don't be that guy who links directly to djt piracy projects on major forums

>>18631292
The CoR should be interview/invite only.

>>18631288
Because deleting them is probably going to be more effort than hitting "easy" on them, what, 6 times before their interval will be longer than your lifespan?

You could delete babby shit like 今日 if you wanted to, or you could just leave it in for that feel good moment when you see that its next interval is a decade away.

>>18631288
Why would you want to remove a way to easily boost your Anki stats? Isn't that what Anki is all about?

>>18631294
that's an even worse idea

>>18631302
なるほど・・暗記の力！！

>>18631292
Report it for violating copyright rule.

>>18631222
i tried to delete a post from 4 hours ago and it wouldnt let me so

>>18631365
Wait, so it was really removed by a mod or janitor then? What the fuck.

I highly doubt Matt is on the 4chan staff, but what reason would a mod have to delete that post? It didn't break any rules and wasn't off-topic.

>>18630432
>The link confirms that 「体調を崩す」 has nothing to do with "under the weather",
>体の調子を良好に維持できていない状況を表す表現。
How does that have nothing to do with being "under the weather"? Are you an ESL and not familiar with the phrase "under the weather"? I don't understand.

When Japanese people learn kanji in school, are they taught names for them?

For instance, what would a Japanese person know 「食」 as? たべる? たべもの? しょく? Something else?

>>18631376
i mean going strictly by the board rules nearly every post in these threads is off topic

>>18631406
roughly yea the idea is to teach the meanings of the kanji

>>18631413
True, but there was no more reason for a mod to take action against that post than any other.

Maybe Matt knows a mod/janitor and asked them to delete it? Or maybe one of the mods/janitors is a JFZ fanboy who got butthurt over the video?

体調を崩す is an idiomatic phrase where the topic is not an active agent performing the action.

back to hunting booger mans
who fuckin cares dude

>>18629314
What do you think about Japanese Speech contests? The Japan Foundation awards to the winner of the contest a trip to Japan for 20 days. (This is at least in my country)

>>18631508
>Japanese Speech contests
How does one win such a contest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Ixgmee3yg

>>18631543
Free publicity bois

>>18631551
george reaction to matt's video

>>18631536
This is from the Japanese Consulate in San Francisco
http://www.sf.us.emb-japan.go.jp/itpr_en/e_m05_01_06.html

In my country the winner of the Speech Contest is awarded with this

http://www.jfkc.jp/en/training/visit-to-japan-achiever.html

Dunno if in the US, you people can participate on this program.

>>18631543
>>18631563
Has he already talked about Matt? That video must've seriously triggered him.

>>18631660
it seems not, really triggered about "krashen is a hack" by the way

>>18629346
This is such a retarded argument, most words/Kanji are normal every day stuff you'll have to learn anyway

>>18631676
Yeah, eventually. Not on the first fucking day when a beginner starts studying basic sentence structure.

>>18631543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzD76g4BlQA

>>18631705
good thing TK doesn't expect or need you to learn that stuff right away

>>18631705
Before every section there's a list, you don't even have to scroll or anything really and most words constantly repeat... If that's too much hassle you should just give up and save yourself some time

If I read through a list of words and go through them in my head at work will I learn Japanese?

>>18631751
yes!

>>18631751

>>18631896
"nobody has ever learned French by memorizing a French to English dictionary" or something

>>18631073
Not him, but personally I always consult cookpad or otherwise even for simple rudimentary recipes. I even had this habit before trying to learn Japanese, if only because I was interested in getting a proper recipe as opposed to having to consult pretentious videos with wispy ass soundtracks and fucking coconut milk in miso soup.

Definitely familiar territory, although I guess maybe it would be difficult for somebody who tries takes every translation at literal face value? I'unno.

>>18631912
I knew whoever that person was arguing with wouldn't respond so I posted a joke response.

>>18631818
>>18631896
Don't reply to him.

any of you 童貞s ever asked out a 美女 in 日本語?

>>18632249
Yes. She was Chinese and got pissed.

>>18632263
ワロタ

>>18632249
いいか、お前らよ
兄貴にようなデカチンがあれば、
二つの言葉だけで、美女の電話番号が取れる
その言葉は、、
「電話番号」
それだけだ
まじ卍

>>18630602
There are maybe five on topic posts in this thread, the rest belongs on some reddit forum. You faggots from /int/ and the discord really need to fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywd1AL8snA

>>18631406
<-こういうかんじ（kanji）
1. まず、教科書の物語を読みます。
2. 文章に新しい漢字が出てきたら、その読み方や使い方を教わります。
3. 覚えた漢字の、別の読み方・使い方を勉強します。
4. これを何度も繰り返します。

>>18629372
絶対霊域
ドラゴンボール

>>18632367
そうか。じゃあ、教科書の物語で「食」という漢字が「食べる」の形で現れたら、その漢字（「食」）の名は「食べる」となるってことか？

そのときから、「食」という漢字を見るとき「あ、これは「食べる」ですね」ってことになるか？


（情けない日本語レベルでごめんなさい）

>>18632468
そうそう
『食』を、「パンを食べる」という文章で最初に知ったなら、
『食』＝「た（べる）」
になる

その後、別の文章で「朝食をとった」と書いてあるのを見たら、
『食』＝「た（べる）＋ショク」
に更新される(be updated)

>>18632520
そうですか。

いい勉強になりました。ありがとうございます。

What does 逃げる mean here? Run away doesn't really fit.

Does anyone have any tips on killing the desire to have physical copies of books/manga? Or maybe I just need to take the time to set up a mail forwarding service...
>>18632613
>面倒なことに近づかないようにする。関係することを避ける。
多分。

>>18632625
Yeah I read that definition too and I'm still not sure what's being said. Seems like the first half just contradicts the second half with that definition.

>>18632613
ぜんごのぶんみゃくによるとおもうよ

>>18632625
It never ends.

Worst part is when something is out of stock and I'm left with 5 out of 6 volumes of a manga kill me now

>>18632642
>>18632613
can you post more context than just one cropped speech bubble if you want proper help? this is common sense

>>18632655
Damn -- it looks like it's going to be a similar cost:shipping ratio no matter what. At least I don't have any other hobbies.
>>18632642
I would be curious to see how you're interpreting those two sentences in the definition. Maybe we can help you with that too.

>>18632613
Is it porn? Are they talking about not denying their feelings?

>「もう、あと５分だけなんだからねっ」
read as
>あとごはんだけ
Is this a typo or did the VA read it wrong?

>>18632765
it sounds like you might be a little bit 難聴 buddy

>>18632805
https://my.mixtape.moe/cwgyni.ogg
nope

>>18632813
I had to listen to it twice before I got cause my listening sucks but yeah it's def not あとごはんだけ
Not the guy you're responding to btw.

>>18632818
The lower formant of the second vowel is at 1000hz though, above that of the first. Is this just one of those times when the vowel comes out like another vowel? I mean I know it happens with い and う, but う and あ is a stretch for me.

>>18632827
Okay so she says it the same way several lines later so I'm going to assume this is a pronunciation quirk that I'm too unskilled to appreciate, like し to す from a few days ago.

>>18632827
>The lower formant of the second vowel is at 1000hz though, above that of the first. Is this just one of those times when the vowel comes out like another vowel?
I have no idea about that sort of stuff so I replayed it a bunch of times and if I listen to it thinking I'm going to hear ごはん I hear ごはん and if I listen to it thinking I'm going to hear ごふん I hear ごふん.
Some trippy shit, time to go to bed.

>>18632813
>>18632827
if that sounds like anything other than ごふん to you then you need to practice listening a lot more intently
I've had my fair share of listening problems but what you posted is not even remotely mistakable for anything else

Analyzing the sound wave is going way too far, it's just simply a ふ and not a は, the consonant noise is formed further forward and the vowel is also formed further forward and more nasal. Get used to it.

just assume the text and voice match if you're reading a voiced VN, no reason to get into weird doubts if you're this much of a beginner gaijin

alternative syllable realizations: the duck rabbit of japanese listening comprehension

>>18632850
it's not even remotely alternative it's just the standard ふ sound

>>18632846
>the consonant noise is formed further forward and the vowel is also formed further forward and more nasal
That would make the lower formant go down though.

>just assume the text and voice match if you're reading a voiced VN
The last VN I was reading had completely different sentence structure every 20 lines in one of the writer's scenes. I don't trust anything.

>>18632853
its definitely not "standard" in any meaningful way, if you think it is then you're the one with bad listening comprehension
stop projecting your past failures onto other people

if it looks like an "a" and it sounds like an "a" then it's an "a"

it can, however, be a う even if it's an a

gohan = ごふん

simple as that

>>18632855
????

>>18632854
I don't know anything about fucking formants man, all I know is that I've been listening to anime and youtube for years and I can hear nothing but ふ there

Just ignore your romajis and mark that down as a ふ in your brain

>>18632846
Sorry sweetie but you are wrong, thats def がはん

Check your ears old man.

>>18632897
*ごはん

>>18632897
>>18632901

>>18632882
I believe you, but there's something wrong with how you're acting, so I edited the clip to emphasize and deemphasize the formant that makes it sound like は instead of ふ. Sometimes bad headphones or damaged hearing can make formats sound wrong (this makes the "wololo" effect in Age Of Empires 2 sound completely different for some people) so this is basically a way to try to make the message get across.

Enhanced: https://my.mixtape.moe/gsaddg.ogg
Reduced: https://my.mixtape.moe/qiuhcl.ogg

Enhancing or reducing single formants usually does nothing, because our ears pick up higher frequency data too. For me the "enhanced" one has a really fucking annoying shriek in the middle of it, and the "reduced" one sounds like a messed up ふ because the high frequency parts don't match, but I have a phonetically trained ear.

Is simple.
Post on here -> (https://hinative.com/)) with no context and see what they tell you they hear.
Simple.

>>18632765
にてる

its gohan you know the 1 from dragonballz

studying phonetics was one of the worst mistakes I ever made, now whenever they lowpass a character's voice to make it sound more moe I can't overlook it

>>18632765
Dogen here, told you to study pitch accents and phonetics you バカfucking外人s.

>>18632974
dogen probably knows less about general phonetics than i do because i'm so autistic about it

>>18632928
Emphasized one sounds like は
Reduced one sounds like ふ
I don't really get the message you're trying to get across though. It sounds like you just had the wrong idea of what kind of sounds are ふ and what kind of sounds aren't ふ, so you should just get more practice. It makes sense that the actual sound wave could vary a ton from sentence to sentence and speaker to speaker, so that kind of analysis doesn't seem very helpful to do as a complete beginner.

Also going back to what you said earlier but
>Is this just one of those times when the vowel comes out like another vowel?
More or less yeah. I would refrain from putting it that way since you're making it sound like there is some kind of super strict phonetic rule system behind what あいうえお sound like, when really it's pretty much case by case

Matt here, don't let this >>18632978 やろう lie to you about Dogen殿's phonetic ability.

>>18632981
I'm not a complete beginner, I've been reading and listening to Japanese for a few years now.

i might be a doctor but i cant save that which has epic aids

euthanize this thread imo

>>18632986
For all I care you are when it comes to this particular example. I don't want to come off like I'm attacking you or anything but frankly if you listen to that audio clip and hear ごはん you're a beginner in my book.

>>18632993
You failed. I guess you don't know Japanese.

Good fucking Lord just post it somewhere for a native to hear and tell you. And while your at it ask them if they could see it being mistaken for ごはん at all.

>>18632998
Go for it.

本気になった方が負け

>>18632993
おなかすいているときに

ごふんっていわれたら

ごはんってきこえちゃうとおもう

It's ごほん, she's saying that you are only allowed 5 more dicks for today.

>>18633031
It's true, I am quite hungry.

>>18633032
the counter for the kind of dicks i like to take is 柱 friend

How many dicks did you take today /djt/?

>>18633049
not enough

>>18633038
ハンバーグにする？

ぎょうざにする？

Matt arguing with George on Discord for 2 hours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjEX3-5Vhyc

>>18633049
>/djt/
I think you meant /ojt/

>>18633068
ピーナッツバター
乾パン
大量に塩
それでルートビア
どう

>>18633071
Okay this is going to be amazing

>>18633071
Kill yourself, please.

I've started trying to learn recently, and I think I got hiragana pretty well down in my memory, but for some reason with katakana I'm having a million times more trouble memorizing it. I feel like there's a lot more characters that look alike in it and I keep mixing them up constantly, while hiragana characters are more distinct from each other. I guess there's no other way over this other than brute forcing memorization, is there?

huh isnt that interesting two gaijin nihongoniacs who literally get paid to push hogwash bullshit dressed as how to learn nihongo cant even have a 2 hour discussion in it

thinking emoji

>>18633112
Most people suck balls at arguing even in their native language.

>>18633094
Alright, listen up bro. The truth is, you've actually been doing this Japanese learning shit all wrong. I'm about to give you the best Japanese advice you'll ever hear in your entire life, so listen up closely. First things first, drop learning hiragana and katakana because it's basically the baby version of the language, and it's equivalent to learning how to read, write and speak from Tommy Pickles. Cut straight to kanji, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English. Good luck.

>>18633117
but it woulda settled shit real fast more than likely

>>18633077
あのん

こうけつあつ？

>>18629377
>>18629619
>>18629666
>>18629827
>>18630835
>>18630857
>>18630875
>>18632421
How much have you read up to this point and what has been the most enjoyable reading experience thus far?
Recommend something worth reading to any lurking anons undecided on what to pick up next.

>>18633160
エーラス・ダンロス症候群だからいい

>>18633162
japanese from cero by george lopez

>>18633162
>How much have you read up to this point
3-4 VNs, about 12 manga series and i think the first 5 キノの旅 volumes
>and what has been the most enjoyable reading experience thus far?
claymore
>Recommend something worth reading to any lurking anons undecided on what to pick up next.
まんが家と

>>18633162
絶対霊域 and ドラゴンボール are both my first. I tried よつばと！ and read the first volume. It was fun, but I find these two a lot more enjoyable. I'm still have substantial holes in my knowledge, but I find ドラゴンボール to be pretty easy to follow along and I have seen Dragon Ball Z and bits of Dragon Ball, so I have a bit of knowledge of what's going on. I definitely know I need to study my grammar more, but sometimes, I just wan't to see what's going to happen next.

>>18633167
かふんしょう？

How many cards into core6k should I start reading at?

>>18631705
It's almost like that is why he always provides vocabulary lists before the start of each section and uses simple words like 人 and 先生

>>18633536
0 is the correct answer.
t. person who is 8k+ deep into a premade deck who hasn't read shit

>>18632813
Where do you hear はん ? If you mistook it as ふん then that would have been at least understandable.

>>18633586
yamero kudasai

>>18633586
You probably don't actually know Japanese.

>>18630833
who?

Should I read 30 minutes a day and every day, or 1 hour a day but every other day?

>>18630833
he's an interpreter, he's just illiterate

including in english, where he struggles to correctly read any remotely nontrivial comments in his stream chat out loud

>>18633618
"you probably don't actually know japanese" is like a universal truth that applies to every single post on every DJT thread dakara わざわざ書くまでもないですよ

>>18633666
Okay.

You probably don't actually know Japanese.

Does anyone here have experience doing RtK while following JP college classes? I do have a textbook that I'll be using this year, meant to teach grammar and vocabulary to what'd be about N3 level. Thing is, as it's expected, the kanji it teaches you has nothing to do with how RtK would do it. I've done RtK for a bit (visited over 300 kanji) so I know how it works and what are its objectives, but Heisig himself warns you of the risk of getting confused with what you learn in class and what you learn with RtK.

On the other hand, I'm fully aware that though the Japanese college degree I'm having is of extremely high level, doing more study on the side besides immersion should still be a concern. Is RtK the right way to go about it? Maybe I should just go for the Core2/6/10k outright?

Thanks in advance for any counsel.

>>18633670
in my case you can drop the probably

>>18633680
Nah there's still a chance that statistical chance has tricked the electrons in your brain into making you think you don't know Japanese even though you do.

>>18633656
everyday is better for almost everything, with few exceptions (maybe weightlifting)

I'm about half way through RTK

じどううんてんの

コンバインと

あとこううんき

つくるー

>>18633767
銀の匙はすごいですよね～
見ましたか？

>>18630354
In this case 遅く is acting like a noun with まで attached.

With verbs it is common for the 連用形 (i.e. verb stem, masu stem, etc.) to function as a noun:
終わる to end → 終わり the end
からかう to tease → からかい teasing
しゃべる to talk, to chat → しゃべり a talk, a chat

This can also happen with the 連用形 (i.e. adverb form) of i-adjectives, but not with all of them. One of the most common is the adjective 多い:
>（多く）を望まない
I don't wish for (much).
>ファンの（多く）は女性だ
(Most) of the fans are women.

Besides that, it can also happen with i-adjectives that have to do with distance or time, like 近い or 遅い, but usually only with particles related to direction like に or まで:
>（近く）にある公園
a park that is (close by)
>夜（遅く）まで働く
to work until (late) at night

>>18633805
あにめみてない

まんがはよんだ

>>18633828
thou know not japanese

Shit. I remember 躊躇 and 躊躇う as cluster fuck kanjis with 足 on the left and now I just stumbled upon 蹴躓く
Is it enough just to memorize 質 as the distinguishing factor?

fuck context

I haven't checked the DJT threads for a while, what the fuck happened to the manga download section?

Reading Aiyoku was a really nice choice. I wish I had read it sooner and didn't worry about such things as difficulty.

>>18634160
you should read 躊躇 using the phonetic components you see in other kanji

躊 is ちゅう like the component in 範疇
躇 is ちょ like the component in 顕著

that way you won't forget it

蹴躓く is just 蹴る plus 躓く
so yeah as long as you know 蹴る and can recognize 躓く using the 質 component you're good

>>18634206
Thank you. I haven't come across 範疇 or 顕著 yet though but I do know 名著 so that'll help with 躊躇 (I used to mix up ちゅう＋ちょ).
>蹴る
This is good; I realized a minute after I posted that the kanji was familiar.
ありがとうせんぱい

>>18633191
>3-4 VNs, about 12 manga series
Which VNs and manga series?

>>18633499
How much have you read of each so far? They are both finished but ドラゴンボール is pretty lengthy. I'm sure you'll know a lot of different martial arts terms by the end of it. 前蹴り, 輪姦, 回し蹴り, 得意技, えふえふ and all that.

>>18634289
>輪姦

>>18634170
How does it differ from the last time you were here?

>>18634301
Street rules.

>>18634306
A layout that didn't look like total ass, for once. Listing by publishers is mind boggling to me

>>18634331
Are you talking about the manga link under the library on the op site?

>>18634064
this

Does anyone know if there are any cookbooks in the corn? Or could anyone link me any because I tried putting in 料理 into libgen and for a search you need more then three characters.

>>18634364
料理書入力してみた？

>>18634289
>Which VNs and manga series?
VN
>flyable heart
>フレラバ
>サツコイ
>フツウノファンタジー
manga
>よつばと！
>惡の華
>まんが家と
>苺ましまろ
>イカ娘
>絶対霊域
>クレイモア
actually thats way less than 12, I need to read more

>>18634364
なんだろ

にほんのものではないよ

ひだりしたはおいしそうね

なんだろうこれ

>>18634456
Did you mine vocab from all of those?

I'm at 60 matured and 300 started, at what point should I start reading simple VNs and manga

>>18634699
try children books first, when you're at an ok pace then move up. Start as soon as possible so right now is a good time I guess. It's not like you can't do reps while reading

>>18634699
read this tiny story for kids, if you are happy with how you read it - you can move on to most anything else that is simple.
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000121/files/4253_10259.html
Also if you search on youtube for 赤とんぼ
新美南吉 - there is a lot of different people reading it outloud - practice your listening comprehension.

I think it is perfectly fine to prop yourself up with a crutch like yomichan to read books, even as simple like this, but I'm a dekinai.

>>18634720
>children books
Such as Sho→Boh? Nice.

>>18634587
of course, anything I didn't know

>>18634699
As early as you can push yourself to get through it. I waited until around 1k words, not sure how many mature, but I should have started earlier in my opinion.

>>18635133
>anything I didn't know
Same deal. 8000 words/2500 kanji in my mining deck - here's to hoping by the 15k word mark reading will have become a fair bit smoother.

>>18634364
Closest thing I know of:
https://www.youtube.com/user/papadesuyo777/videos

>>18635348
https://www.youtube.com/user/cookingwithdog/videos

>>18633162
>How much have you read up to this point
A couple VNs, a couple LNs, a lot of manga, and a couple novels.
>what has been the most enjoyable reading experience thus far?
すみっこの空さん is a really underrated manga, and かがみの弧城 is one of my favorite books.
>Recommend something worth reading to any lurking anons undecided on what to pick up next.
I've done it before but I really recommend かがみの孤城. It's a bit long but it's fairly easy.

I hate how anytime i'm doing something that isn't related to Japanese, I just feel terrible because I keep thinking 'you should be reading instead of wasting time doing x'

>>18635443
set a daily amount of reading to do and once you've done it move on to something else.

>>18635388
>すみっこの空さん is a really underrated manga
It certainly is. That series was poetry, man.
The last chapter felt rushed though, but everything up to that was brilliant.

>>18635475
that's what i already do

>>18635493
Up the amount of time you spend reading, then? If you're doing non-productive things and it's a waste of time, do productive things to relax instead so that you don't feel like you're just wasting your life.

>>18635388
Did you read a dead tree version of かがみの弧城? You've got me interested but a digital version is around ¥2k and I can't seem to find any rips floating around. I'd buy it if it were half that price.

>>18633567
That's really bad anon

>>18629372
Yotsubato.
俺は新人さん

>>18635550
I read the azw3 from the djt library.

http://djt.netlify.com/b/[%E8%BE%BB%E6%9D%91%E6%B7%B1%E6%9C%88]%20%E3%81%8B%E3%81%8C%E3%81%BF%E3%81%AE%E5%AD%A4%E5%9F%8E/index.html

きたときよりもうつくしく

ゴミをひろおー

https://youtu.be/_IOZbJ7PCPk
Is this fat fuck correct?

>>18635657
>j-vlogger
I'm guessing probably not

>>18635657
Half of his tips boil down to "use filler words" and "rephrase things if you cant remember how to say it in the way you want" which are fine, insofar as people do that even in their native language, although its still a crutch and if you rely on it too much you will be an absolute pain to talk to. Everything else he says will get you to a painfully low level of Japanese ability which will make talking to you a big pain in the ass (and it wont be enjoyable for you either), and you'd be better off spending your time actually learning the language well if you ever want to actually become fluent.

>>18635657
このおにいちゃん

耳がいいからね

なかなかまねできないとおもうよ

>>18635624
Ah, that's awesome, thanks. I searched the djt library page for the title and it didn't show up, so maybe the page doesn't load properly for me.
That link you sent did however. Going to read this with typhoon reader on my tablet. （ ＾ω＾）

To learn hiragana characters (going to add Katakana later):
https://eikamikiku.github.io/JP-EN-Characters/

Words:
https://eikamikiku.github.io/JP-EN-Words/

>>18635798
djt kana is better.

>議論している風であった

風, when it means manner/appearance/style/etc like in this sentence is to be read as ふ？
Or is it okay to read it as かぜ even when it isn't literally the wind?

>>18635798
このほうほう

めちゃおそいよ

１音きいて、ひらがな選ぶのを

えらぶのがすごくはやい

>>18635844
You always read it as ふう when it has that abstract meaning.

>>18635848
Thank you.

>>18635657
My favorite thing about this dude is that he's lived in Japan for years and it's painfully obvious every time he speaks Japanese that he still can't into Japanese phonetics.

>>18635657
hes doin ok dude and so can you

>>18635798
>https://eikamikiku.github.io/JP-EN-Characters/
What does this provide that the kana page on the djt site doesn't?
>https://eikamikiku.github.io/JP-EN-Words/
This took ages to load for what appears to be some sort of J-E multiple choice word game. What does this offer over Anki or any of the other tools used for vocab?
I don't understand programmers in general. All this skill but such limited creativity and insight for most. Why are there a million basic programs out there for beginners but so few rikaisamas, text hookers, DRM removers, optical character readers, jishos, and that sort of thing? Every other week there is a new site for helping beginners explore the extreme basics but nothing more than that. Why don't these clever people makimg these apps and sites and programs ever seem to come to learners and ask them what they really want?

Don't take it as a personal slight, I'm just trying to understand why smart people such as yourself and your peers stick around in the sandpit when you're all clearly capable of so much more.

>>18635881
All the other stuff you mentioned is much more difficult than making a simple word game.

>>18635798
Can you do some sanity filtering to get the most common 20k words or something?

>>18635934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS1LmpiJFaM

Hebrew

Japanese

>>18635965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing%C5%8D%2C_Aomori#Tomb_of_Jesus_Christ

>>18635965
This pic is 10 times more retarded when you realise that neither hiragana nor katakana can be derived from hebrew since they're just modified chinese characters

>>18635965

コクカトフレル

ノそサハワひリ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqIiKVPdV1A

>>18635993
Your post is 10 times more retarded when you realize that jews taught Chinese how to write.

>>18636001
Your post is 10 times more retarded when you realise that the ones who actually taught Chinese how to write were Africans
#stopthewhitewashingofhistory

>>18636001
Oh, I see, so Chinese is Hebrew with complexity added, and Japan managed to remove the complexity and get back to the source. Interesting.

You should look up where kana came from.

>>18635965
>>18635997

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWFc4z4rTI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqM-O6Z8lE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLkJF4RLlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVSjuYsQN2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDIU1EFLnvA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_BMvxOL0c

>>18629330
What do you mean by exposing yourself to the language?

>>18636094
Listening to the language and reading it

>>18636094
reading with your dick out

>>18636129
Of course, I don't know what I was thinking when I asked
I just wandered in the thread because I got half an idea to learn japanese but I don't know if I have the guts for it. I mean I already self-learned english so I guess I could do it

>>18636130
Thank fuck doujins exist then

daily jewpanese thread
なんかおいしいじゃない

>>18636206
That's not how you negate an i-adjective.

あらもっと教えてくれませんか笑

AJATT and RTK not Genki and memrise okay? God bless.

>>18636281
none of these things are alternatives to one another

>>18636298
There's only so many hours in a day, use them correctly.

>>18636281
>AJATT
>RTK
>Genki
>memrise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjEX3-5Vhyc&feature=youtu.be&a=

>>18636311
>he fell for the kklc meme
Oh sweetie.

>>18636315
skip early isolated kanji study, you can't study kanji effectively when you don't know anything about how they're used

>>18636324
You. Are. A. Fucking. Retard.

>>18636343
i have a perfect JCAT score, where's yours

Could you just ignore and report the troll? Thanks

>>18636219
別にいいじゃないですか

>>18636343
Welcome to djt. Read the guide before posting.

>>18636358
よくない。

>>18636367
>go to djt resources
>top and most important is RTK 6th edition
Yep, you just helped "my" argument.

>>18636315
>kklc

>>18636402
You looked at the wrong page. Consider that there is a section titled:
>Benefits and drawbacks of isolated kanji study

>>18636423
>the cornucopia of resources is the wrong page
No.

>>18636431
yes, actually, it is

>>18636431
The CoR has a lot of shit that no one in their right mind would use. RTK is not one of them, I'm not saying kanji study is wrong, I'm saying it's considered optional. Again, read the guide.

>>18636343
>do 5 months of just listening to japanese before you ever touch a grammar guide or dictionary
t. youtube celebrity

Kanji first is full retard and none of the AJATT shills who recommend it actually did it themselves.

>brainlets who think learning to write kanji isn't important

>>18636484
no, learning to write sentences is important, not learning to write kanji

>>18636484
>spend 4 months learning to write kanji
>still can't write anything in japanese because you never learned how to spell

おにいちゃん達全員どうしようもないバカ

Is it that important to have someone to talk to while learning? My only exposition to other languages is the internet

>>18636594
yes

learning words and phrases by yourself at home will not get you to the heights of contextual and conceptual understanding as evidenced by the existence of this and all previous threads

good news is you can use the internet too but the bad news is so can everybody else in the world

>>18636594
not until after you've been learning for several years

>>18636614
I thought so, should I try anyway?
>>good news is you can use the internet too but the bad news is so can everybody else in the world
What do you mean?

>>18636661
you can talk to people over skype and shit nigga

Blind leading the blind
That's djt

Being told to memorize X arbitrary symbols that don't actually have any parsing power when looking at text you don't understand before you can focus on studying things that directly result in increased comprehension ability is the #1 thing that makes people quit early.

>>18636661
>>18636677

I swear, if you give me a list of completely unknown kanji, and I had to guess their on readings, minimum 50% would be しょう

>>18636750
So it's not actually important?

>>18636780
english is more valuable than japanese from a global perspective so if youre going to look for folks to fuck with online youre probably gonna have to sift through some fuckers till you find someone that works well with you so that you both have a mutually enriching social experience

>>18636771
爆笑

Don't feel bad if you're struggling, needing to look up every word; before long your soul will understand kanji

>>18636699
I agree (well its not #1, its #2), but I don't necessarily think that means doing it is wrong.

>>18636829
It's not wrong to choose to do it, just telling people that it's the only path.

>>18636771
I ran into a Japanese friend at school last week as I was doing my reps in the hallway. I had 気障 on screen, and I asked him what his guess was, and he said きしょう. Natives can't handle it, either.

>>18636771
Some dude posted once a image that showed how korean had modified and imported chinese words and how japanese had done it and while it had some variety in the beginning them japanese eventually said "fuck it" and changed a bunch of sounds to しょう

>>18636780
http://www.antimoon.com/other/myths.htm

>>18636984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zriXZMAqsg

>>18636869
Do you remember any other details? I wanna find it now.

>>18637010

>>18637068
Yeah, that one, thanks
It's sad to see how much they've simplified them 漢語 :(

>>18637068

What fucking version of Python does Anki use?
Installed pympv for every version I had, and this piece of shit still gives me errors "Module not found".

>>18637103
pip install mpv

>>18637109
oh the addon really does say to use the pympv package instead of the mpv package, nevermind

>>18637103
2.7
What the fuck do you need mpv for?

Anki 2.1 is on Python 3 by the way.

>>18637126
> 2.7
I tried running 'python2.7', "import mpv" generates no errors.

>>18636840
>I ran into a Japanese friend at school last week as I was doing my reps in the hallway. I had 気障 on screen, and I asked him what his guess was, and he said きしょう. Natives can't handle it, either.
It was japanese self-depreciation.

>>18637126
> What the fuck do you need mpv for?
To get rid of mplayer dependency.

>>18637109
Tried it, didn't work.

>>18637194
yeah I didn't look into the situation before resopnding >>18637125
my bad
it's possible that anki has its own user-level package environment or python installation

>>18637153
It's optional, though. If you need to play audio why not just execute a shell script when you need it.

>>18637219
And how do I find out which of the 13000+ mp3 files corresponds to the flashcard I need?

>>18637273
they're implying to execute the script from inside anki using an addon

>>18637273
I believe the same way anki itself does, you pull it from the card. You don't even have to execute a shell script, you can just make a system call with python and launch mvp, the directory containing the sound files is probably somewhere there in a variable as well.

>>18637288
>>18637290
Now I have to learn Python to do my reps.

>>18637321
Weren't you doing an add-on in the first place? I don't see what's there to learn if you have a background in literally any other language available, even shell scripting.

>>18637340
they were just trying to install something

>>18637340
I found that add-on on github.

>>18637353
So he just installs mpv and expects anki to know that he wants to use that instead of mplayer? I guess another option would be to make a symlink to the mpv binary named mplayer and hope it works.

>>18637376
no, he installed an anki addon that makes anki use mpv instead of mplayer

>>18637376
> a symlink to the mpv binary named mplayer and hope it works.
It does not, I tried that.

>>18634192
That's great to know, anon.

>Try watching raw anime
>Even with japanese subtitles it takes like an hour to watch a 25 minute episode
>Comprehension a shit
When do I get good?

>>18637477
When you do it for so long enough that it stops being impenetrable and time consuming.

>>18637477
Your biggest mistake here is using japanese subtitles in the first place, in order to get good at listening you have to go full raw otherwise you'll be stuck and half-comprehension hell for the rest of your life

>>18637505
I tried that and now I can read VNs by listening to the voice acting but I can't actually read most of the text because I don't know how to spell the words with kanji.

>>18637505
I toggle on subtitles after I've tried listening to a line a few times and still can't get it, or for when I want to look up an unknown word and want to know which kanji to use. I don't see the harm in that.

>>18630444
I did that when learning English so I know it works. Learn enough to read comfortably, then watch shit with subs and in a year or two of doing that your listening comprehension will be good. Maybe not the fastest way, but virtually painless.

Hmm, I just watch anime raw without subs and catch whatever I catch with the hope that as I introduce more words via reading and anki that I'll be able to understand more and more while listening/watching anime.
Is it worth it to mine from an anime and to rewatch it? I feel like that would be the equivalent to mining all unknown words from a novel so maybe it is the better way than the scattered random and lazy approach that I'm taking.

>>18633688
That's why you cannot learn japanese

>>18637600
日本語でいい

>>18637376
Made a bash script, pretending to be mplayer in slave mode and sending the file names to mpv, now everything works. I still need to get it to shut up when I quickly open the next flashcard though.
Guess I'm not getting any sleep tonight.

>>18637103
>>18637153
>>18637716
Do you really need those 5mb of disk space so bad that you can't just keep your mplayer package installed?

>>18637716
make another script which launches mpv and make the current one
'pkill -f mpv_exec.sh; exec sh mpv_exec.sh $1;'
for example

>>18637769
Well, first of all my autism won't allow me. I didn't install Gentoo to keep unwanted dependencies around.
Second of all, even if I tried installing mplayer, compilation would fail, because of backward compatibility issues in newer version of FFmpeg.
I'm still not sure which is the bigger pain in the ass, but since I almost finished my script it's better to go in this direction, rather than to start over and write a slotted ebuild for FFmpeg.

>>18637805
Nah, I already found a way to do it in the same script.

Learning Japanese is fun!

Is there any way to get anki on the tv with a raspberry pi

>>18638002
I don't see why not. I guess it would depend on what kind of ports the tv has.

>>18638002
I mean yes but why would you want to?

皆　謎ある!
のせ->鼻　ほめ->家　だて->日付け　もうせ-> ?

>>18638018
>>18638023
Idk why not?

I'm going to try to get a browser on my retropi to watch njpw.. I'll figure it out on my off days .__.

At what point does reading stop being translating every word and sort of getting the gist of the grammar and start actually being reading?

>>18638057
after you do it enough

Alright /djt/ I'm 600 words in and have read Tae Kim. Is it time to start reading?

>>18638035
ネズミ

>>18638139
正解 !