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happy april fools' day

>>18730275
>#69
失格

I don't get this example...

>>18730324

>>18730190
枕草子[まくらのそうし](清少納言[せいしょうなごん]作,1002年）

>ものうらやみし、身の上嘆き、人の上言ひ、露塵のこともゆかしがり、聞かまほしうして、言ひ知らせぬをば怨じそしり、また僅かに聞き得たることをば、わがもとより知りたることのやうに、異人にも語りしらぶるも、いとにくし。

何かにつけて他人のことをうらやましがり、自分の身上を嘆き、他人についてうわさをし、ほんのわずかなことでも知りたがり、聞きたいと思って、自分に知らせてくれないことに恨みを言い非難し、また少し聞きかじったことを、自分がはじめから知っていることのように、他の人にも得意げに話すのも、たいそうしゃくに障る。

第69回のdjtスレようこそいらっしゃいました

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp_ffk0LM4

>#69
April 1st truly is the worst day on the internet. So many edgelords fucking shit up just for the "lulz".

>>18730464
you could really switch up the gears and get off the internet today

monitorをoffしろdude

>>18730464
The actual thread is up. This one is purely for shitposting.

>>18730506
so go back to it and same fag it for 800 posts like you do every other thread : )

>>18730506
? This is the only Daily Japanese Thread up currently.

i'm quitting japanese who's with me

dont give up just be unstoppable like gari gari noriaki

AJATT and Matt not memrise and nuke okay, God bless.

So I just met this word: 出撃
Seriously, what the FUCK is a sortie?

Why don't Japanese use other sounds? I mean there must have been several people thinking, hey guys, we have like a million words using "kou" and "shou", how about we make up a word with "ti" or "si", or maybe end a word with a consonant other than 'n'.
And then everyone else was like no way man, fuck off.

yeah thats prolly exactly how it went dude

i have never had a girlfriend and am so alone, will japanese help me

>>18730669
French for exit but is also military nomenclature for assault. This sort of demonstrates the limitations of bilingual definitions of words

>>18730669
You posted this last thread. You need more Gundam in your life.

https://youtu.be/xPv9YJv1YWo

My vocab study is going by better than ever and I don't know how. Moon truly is a magical

>>18730748
>vocab study

>>18730713
you can totally mack on mid 30s japanese housewives via the internet dude

start writing your own irl ntr epic today

>>18730732
top 10 anime shutugeki scenes lol

>>18730659
Fugg memrise

わたしはゲイ

>>18730911
私も
ありがとう

私は二形

>>18730952
>かんじ

おまえもゲイ？

>>18730911

>>18730980
ゲイじゃないことの・感じ・は凄く気持ちいい

>>18730377
he's like 40 bpm off from rap but maybe he was intending on that for that spaceship shooter dorag swaggu idk

やはり＞＝やっぱ＞＞＞＞やっぱり

>>18731057
oh dont worry noriaki did lots of real og ninja style rap with real ethnic young men too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XSGqO7vwk

why is KKLC bad

>>18731240
it's not

whats bad is being stuck on this preliminary shit forever lol

>>18731240
Watch MattvsJapan's video on RTK

> 「こんにちは」 came from 「今日はご機嫌いかがですか。」
So is it こんにち or きょう ?
Is こんにち more formal, or simply obsolete?

>>18731263
you mean the one where he literally lies about what kklc is for and how you're supposed to do it, because he didn't read its prefaces
yeah

>>18731240
It's not, it's the best of those systems. People here have turned against it because of some eceleb

How difficult is it to read your average doujin?

>>18731370
incredibly easy. easier than the easiest manga

>>18730324
What is this app

AJATT is the official learning method of Team Peep.

>>18731395
Akebi. I use it because I like to read physical manga with furigana, so I can easily add new words to a list with one click and then later export that list. You can do that with other apps like JED but I like this ones interface the best

cool and good posters are on team pb

What is ちがくて supposed to be?
I tried slurring various conjugations of 違う, but no results.
Unless he mistook 違い for an adjective or something.

>>18731370
Depends on the genre, but typically you should be able to read enough to be able to keep your hand on your willy and not need to bother with too many lookups.

>教えて君

>>18731754
俺

>>18731710
違くて, obviously

>>18731838
And what form is that.
Jisho says it's the て-form, but it's 違って

>>18731877
千葉県北部・茨城・栃木あたりの北関東の方言で
昔から「違くて」という言い方はありました。
それを元に広まったようです。

「違う」は動詞なんですが、意味としては形容詞的なんですよね。
それで、形容詞の活用を適用しちゃったのが間違いの元なんです。
「長くて」「深くて」「広くて」と同じ活用にしちゃったんですね。

間違えている人は、
「長い、長くて、長かった」と同じように
「違い、違くて、違かった」と活用させています。
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1244617637

>>18730102
Not him, but is the も there for emphasis?

>>18731998
if you mean "用もないのに", yes, you can also say "用が（は）ないのに" but も is most natural.

>>18731265
>こんにち or きょう
both
今日(きょう) -> today
今日(こんにち) -> today(formal), nowadays, present‐day

>>18732148
Right. Thanks.

What EPWING reader do you guys use for GNU/Linux
Everything seems to be abandonwares.
I found zero-epwing projects that supposedly converts epwing to jason format, but how to use the json output?

As much flak as djt gets from jp learning discord communities and the /r/learnjapanese subreddit, every question I've asked here has been answered correctly. It's not even an April Fool's day joke, in comparison djt is the best.

Why is that? Why are over moderated communities shit? I assume the answer is egos and not having them makes this the best place.

>>18732791
A lot of people who have big personalities on those communities get shit on by DJT posts and hold grudges against DJT as a result.

>>18732791
>jp learning discord communities and the /r/learnjapanese subreddit

>>18732797
pennwisedom lol
takes a week for him to get through a volume of shounen manga with furigana

>>18732797
I can see that, for example the English-Japanese discord frequently has basic japanese questions unanswered or ignored, yet you have 5-10 people shitposting in their lobby channels. I've had to go into the main lobby channels and ask for others to at least try to answer a question, granted for some of my questions I can understand, but there are some that I've come here for instead and gotten better responses.

>>18732798
I haven't tried IRC communities, how are they?

>>18732791
>flak as djt gets from jp learning discord communities and the /r/learnjapanese subreddit

Sorry if this question is dumb, if it is just ignore it.
I'm doing KKLC right now and I'm pretty much only studying the meanings associated with the kanji. It has helped me a lot with core 2k so far because I can actually distinguish kanji as opposed to see vague symbols like before.
However, am I missing out by not studying the vocabulary he provides as well? I've thought about doing it, but I'm not sure how to combine it with core 2k.

>>18732842
as long as you're doing kanji study it doesn't matter
the most important component of kklc is that it tricks people who want to do truly isolated kanji study into being exposed to examples of complete words, if you're already doing vocab study it's not a big deal

>>18732844
Makes sense, thanks man.

>>18732844
as long as you're not doing just kanji study it doesn't matter, rather

>kanji study

>>18731270
Can you elaborate on what he was lying about or leaving out, so I don't have to go redownload shit

>>18732967
Yeah he left out that it's best to just learn kanji through vocabulary instead of individual study.

So, the first manga should be yotsuba, but what should be the first anime?

>>18732967
he completely mischaracterizes how you're supposed to use kklc because he didn't read it and assumed it's a pure rtk clone with extra bells and whistles. it's that simple

>>18732994
Boku no Pico

>>18732980
Aye aye team peep. Never done individual study and i've probably got like 10k mined in anki. Just considering new attack angles

>>18733002
Alright you vague motherfucker, I'll go read the preface lol

>>18732994
it shouldn't be too hard to make your own judgment on that, just pick whatever holds your interest and doesn't leave you in the dust

something like kemono friends which is made for literal kids would be a good starting point but something like youjo senki i would definitely avoid

You read it already, right?

>>18733097
are their breasts that pointy in the 本編 too

>>18733157
You will have to read it fo find out

>>18731754
damn that's slick. got any more slangs?

>>18732994
Just start watching everything and stop watching shit if it's tiring

>>18732994
Comfy slice of life. Non Non Biyori is a good start.

What is this Team bullshit?

>>18733644
you'll never beat team cream

>>18733688
faggot

>>18730275
>世界中の毒キノコを
魔法で簡単に集められる
translated as:
>All of the poison mushrooms of the world will be under my magic control!

doesnt it rather mean

>All poisonous mushrooms of the world will be easily gathered by my magic.

???

why is the 集められる translated as "to control"?

>>18734678
dont they effectively mean the same thing here conceptually

the tl just sounds more in theme as something youd expect to hear in media for children

i cant say if its right or wrong with just one line but thats my impression

your understanding is fine tho as a baseline but its missing the emotional element of the original i think

>>18734802
thats what i was suspecting. iam at a stage where iam not sure if my literal translation is wrong or just too "stiff" compared to subgroups.

i work alot with subs2srs and this is from little witch academia.

What's the Japanese equivalent of 4chan?
2ch (now 5ch)? or 2chan?

>>18735006
id just abandon bringing shit back to english asap

that was a mild case of ruining it theres going to be a lot of cases where you look at the literal words and come up with something conceptually somewhere else entirely from what was originally said

>>18735065
there isnt one

>>18735084
Well then which is better?

>>18735087
whichever one youre not posting on probably

>>18733032
Tried Kemono Friends.
On the one hand I didn't even need subs to understand it so it's great for practice, on the other hand it sucks balls and watching it is a chore.
Choosing something more difficult with jap subtitles seems like a more appealing alternative.

>>18735159
watch hikaru no go and then switch over to the manga at the end

its the most well rounded recommendation i can make while still being a timeless classic

>>18735398
Do I have to know anything about Go?

>>18735461
nope it teaches you along the way and after the credits of every episode theres a short that plays that teaches actual irl babies how to play the game that usually reflects something you saw in the episode

the game part of it is only one reason i think its a good choice however

>>18730275
thank god i found an unaffected board i love you all guys

>>18735522
peanut butter is for dekinais

(natural) pb owns and is the only healthy thing out of the list so dont let the diabetic fatboys who couldnt nihongo their way out of a wet paper bag tell you otherwise : )

>>18735522
It's unaffected because its dead.
死んだスレ
消滅危機言語

>>18263440
Any chance of the remaining オーバーロード LNs going up on the library any time soon? So far only the first one is up but I'd already read that in scan format before it got uploaded.

>>18731754

>>18732577
I use qolibri via Wine (I couldn't get the Linux version to build on my system). I tried EBView before it since it was offered in my distro's repos, but it was trash (no tabs meaning you can only see the definition of one word at a time; also, with the last release being 14 years ago, it's been abandonware for even longer than qolibri has).

>>18732577
>I found zero-epwing projects that supposedly converts epwing to jason format, but how to use the json output?
Zero-EPWING is made by Yomichan's developer. From what I recall, it is intended to be used as part of the Yomichan Import program, and the resulting file you get is supposed to be imported as a dictionary into Yomichan.

>>18735970
I have volumes 2-6 to add in the next update (later this month?). Here are the azw3s:
https://mega.nz/#F!pYxTlL5Q!CEmE-O5bt-Baq8fBBMNMKw
You can convert them to HTMLX in Calibre, but it won't retain the images. If you want I can convert them with the images.

>>18736322
Thanks a ton. I'd been dying to read them and was holding out in hopes that the digitized versions would turn up at some point.

>If you want I can convert them with the images.
If you could, that would be great.

>>18736367
HTML:
https://mega.nz/#!IR4EnSxb!cIroxrNAtI8idbecP07IgitnanH8_Ly2jaqVaveggvM
If you extract the whole folder it supports the bookmark key like the library.

>>18736322
>in the next update (later this month?)
will this also include the lib_extra-files?

>>18736534
You're the best. Thanks again.

Where do you guys find raw manga?

>>18737498
amazon.co.jp and google

>>18737502
>buying manga
You know what I meant anon

>>18737507
>and google

Alright, read through kklc intro. I'm not going to watch the video again to check, but if I remember correctly, I'd say the main point that matt fucked up on, or at least invited confusion toward, is that the klc book is hamfisting in things like kanji readings vocab, etc into presenting a course for learning general meanings of the keywords. The kanji meaning elements seems to just be a subset of the information in the book, and can it looks its designed so that one can cleanly extract the annotation, key word(s), and kanji itself if they chose that route. So in other words, you just limit your focus to those elements, and you essentially have a barebones kanji memorization course like rtk. So the main divergences would be

1. the hows and whys of the kanji study order
2. the methods used for keyword memorization (kklc presents itself as trying to be as pragmatic with its toolset as possible, so using simple/elaborate stories/mnemonics, etymological factoids, visual cues, etc. when the author feels one method(s) is more beneficial than another. And iirc rtk at least purports to hold stories over everything, and tries to avoid any other method as much as possible) the elements and they
3. the number of key words used

I think matt only talked about the last one. So kklc will occasionally post 2, and much more rarely 3 key words when deemed necessary, whereas it's only one keyword for rtk. The sample they give in kklc is 巻 getting roll up and volume. rtk looks like its just scroll. The rationale is as expected, that when the kanji will diverge strongly in meaning through its use than more than one key word is applied. For the example, it seems understandable to me in hindsight, as 巻 is used a fuckton through 巻く for rolling up, and its use as a counter or in compounds when referring to written volumes.

Matt argues that this can be too cumbersome. Honestly I don't know what to think, as I've never gone down this kanji learning path and just do vocab, so I can't say what 2 key words feels like after amassing a bunch of kanji through this way. However it's also worth adding that in the preface in kklc, the author mentions that when more than one keyword is used, it's always in order of "importance". So you could very well as easily just go through the course and only use the top key word if you wanted to, and you essentially have the "rtk" method.

Oh and both methods strongly push for one to make up their own mnemonics, so they dovetail there.

So in summary it looks like kklc has a lot more shit, but that's because it was designed for more uses. Rtk is just the keyword>mnemonic>kanji, and that's all it was meant for. They change up on kanji order, kanji memorizing methods, and occasionally on key word count. The last item can be modified to put both courses in line with one key word each, but obviously the first two and locked in to the course. I'd be curious to hear if anybody has any strong opinions on these three divergences. Alright enough autism, back to actually learning.

>>18737518
kklc's ordering is way better imo

>>18737511
A lot of stuff can't be found from google.

>>18737617
then you have to buy it
sorry

>>18737518
>kanji study
Just study radicals.

>>18733097
Got a dl link?

>>18732808
Go to #tanoshimi on rizon

>>18738382
It's on nyaa

>>18738417
Been a long time since I've thought of Dr. Mario.

>>18738417
link me pls

>>18738390
im gonna go on there

>>18738543
I look forward to seeing you! I idle pretty much 24/7

Is there a way to use Yomichan for English to Japanese? Or is there a similar plugin with Anki support?

>>18738535
Are you literally brain dead?

Just go on fucking nyaa, set the category to raw literature and search "new game". Or is that too hard for you?

that channel is dead and you're not gonna get into the replacement if you're some random anon with zero social connections to the greater eroge reading community

any english speaking eroge community is epic gay desu

>>18737617
correction: im too lazy to put effort in stealing, so i cant steal manga, but i also dont want to buy it

>>18738565
>muh super sekrit club
please do us all a favor and go back there

>>18738624
sorry dude it's just not your place

>>18733097
>tfw it took me 3 hours to read it
So fucking slow

>>18738606
I'd like to put more effort into stealing it, but I need more info to go off of first.

>いきなりその男に頭をつかまれ、引き寄せられた。
>Suddenly my head was grabbed by that man and I was drawn towards him.
Is that what it's saying? It's an important sentence so I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding it.

>>18739098
Looks correct to me.

How do I break into reading long sentences?

It seems like every time I pick up a new LN, the first big chunk if it contains a bunch of long, rambling sentences. It's probably done that way to make the narration feel more conversational, but I can't figure out how to unpack them. Haruhi, Index, Monogatari, all of these books have these long-ass sentences. And they keep using は over and over, which is another thing that confuses me. Should I just keep reading baby-easy stuff? Or do I just need to really sit down and try to pick apart each sentence? Commas don't seem to work the way they do in English either.

>>18739128
Google translate to get a rough idea and then work your way backwards to see how the sentence formed that.

>>18739128
how many months have you been reading for

Holy fuck how already sick of manually adding audio to cards. I think I'll just abandon it altogether for the time being.

>>18739128
If a は is attached to a noun and it's not the topic, it's marking the noun as a distinction with something else. And no, don't keep reading easy stuff, challenge yourself. First light novels I read was Kino, very daunting but got used to it, then Oregairu, very daunting but got used to it, then a Soseki novel, very daunting but got used to it, etc.

>>18739182
I'm a little less than a year deep. I've finished a few very simple LNs and a VN that don't pull that stuff, and mostly want to use my knowledge to play JRPGs. JRPGs are simple enough that I very rarely have to worry about that stuff, but I'll feel dopey if I never push it and learn to read at least teenager-tier writing.

>>18739204
Yeah don't worry about the limits of your ability until you've been learning for maybe two or two and a half years. Some things take long periods of time for your brain to get used to them, no matter how much practice you put in, especially broad aspects of reading ability.

>>18730748
Moon?

>>18739198
>Holy fuck how already sick of manually adding audio to cards. I think I'll just abandon it altogether for the time being.
Keep a list of the cards you're adding without audio. Once (hopefully) JPod is back up quickly run through those cards/words and save the audio.
At least with my cards the audio field is filled in even if there's nothing there, so should be a simple process to add them at a later date.

>>18739198
>Holy fuck how already sick of manually adding audio to cards.
Set "Audio playback source" in Yomichan's settings to "JapanesePod101 (alternate)".

The audio files there seem to be different (for the worse) than the ones you (used to) get from the normal "JapanesePod101" setting (maybe it's just my imagination?), but it's better than nothing.

https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118

How has this never been noticed before? Did this bug exist in Rikaisama too? Anyone here on Pale Meme who's still using Rikaisama want to test it?

>>18739425
they both use https://github.com/birtles/rikaichamp/blob/master/extension/data/deinflect.dat
very easy to edit, though I have no idea why they're using a fixed deconjugation table instead of a real deconjugator

>>18739261
You could just look through your deck for all the mined words in that time period, right? So I don't have to expressly make a separate list. I mine sentences too, so whatever the solution would be I hope it wouldn't entail having to make new cards and copy+paste individually. If all it took last time was some guy sending an email to tech support, maybe I'll send an email eventually. I don't know if you need to be signed up to get contact though. I used to have an account on there but that was early last year.
>>18739327
I've been messing around with yomi, and I did try the alternate jpod sound pool the other day. Every word I wanted to mine didn't have audio through that source, so I just switched back to rikaisama for now. Seems like a lot less sound files through that source, and it was as if I already knew/mined all the words that had audio.
>>18739425
I'm not sure if godan verbs receiving れる for potential is necessarily 100% "wrong".. at least not formally/officially. Though clearly in current times 可能動詞 forms are expected for godan verbs when you want to express potential, and if they don't mark those forms as potential in yomi then that's definitely a fuckup. If anybody goes knee deep into grammar texts and chiebukuro arguments I'd be curious to what educated natives are saying.

"おう　いらっしゃい！
ウチの武器を　みてってくれよ！"

Can anyone explain why there's a って　before くれ　in pic related? I've seen this a few times before and mostly with 見 as the verb, but am I missing something here? Is there sneaky extra verb/いる hidden between the words or something? The Tae Kim grammar guide has no examples of this particular usage and googling it hasn't yielded a single good explanation.

>>18739627
You can sort cards by date added, so should be able to.

>>18730659
>>18731427
Nice April 1st Joke you fucking retard

>>18739792
It's ていく

What's a natural way to say "it tends to [i-adj]"? I thought I could say 寒がち but realized today がち can only be used with verbs and nouns. Also can I put がち on a na-adj since they're technically nouns?

What sorts of things could a girl call a guy during sex? In particular, like "daddy" or other things?

>>18739990
寒さがら maybe?

IDK I'm no good at Japanese but -さ'ing -i adjectives noun-izes the things so that's my best guess.

>>18740061
oops meant 寒がち　because I'm a tard who can't into typing correctly

>>18740066
>>18740061
Do you mean 寒さがち? That sounds weird, I dunno. Maybe 寒になりがち is the closest I can get. I don't care if it's not using がち I just need something to express that it "tends to be i-adj."

>>18740066
ok I fucking give up, time to go grind anki like the retard I am

寒さがち　Is what I've meant to type for two posts in a row but somehow have failed to do. It's probably wrong or unnatural but it's my best newb guess since さ　noun-izes i adjectives

>>18740070
>寒になりがち
寒くなりがち*

Fuck, neither of us can learn Japanese, anon.

>>18739792
見ていってくれよ→見てってくれよ
(similar examples)
持っていけ→持ってけセーラーふく
何しているの？→何してるの？
やっていられるか→やってられるか
etc.

I finally started mining after a few months since I finished core2k (still going on 6k) and it feels like it one day of new cards on the mining deck is worth a weeks worth of core6k.

Why didn't I start earlier?

>>18740156
Because doing core2k (or JLPT N5 deck) before reading is worth it otherwise you have to stop literally every single word. With the decks you still stop every page but you can at least get a bearing and not lose your mind.

Starter deck -> Reading w/ Mining

>>18739327
>>18739261
Audio is back my dudes, woop woop

>>18740156
Because you fell for the premade decks meme and should have listened to Khatz-sama.

>>18740156
Because you're a retard that could have gotten the same knowledge of Japanese grammar + vocab in less than a year but chose instead to listen to memes. You know, not everything should be like a dumb vidya gayme. Even after you mine 40K sentences you'd be behind someone who actually took the time to learn Japanese properly.

When you understand the Japanese Language properly the only thing you learn is vocabulary to build on. Retards like you will be fighting an uphill battle.

>>18740404
>Even after you mined 40k sentences you'd be behind someone who learned the language
no fucking duh because your sentence implies they've already learned it you mongrel. Everyone should get the first 200 or so most common words at least so they're not looking up words every 3 seconds. It's faster to just drill shit like それ, 食べる, etc than mining them. After that, yes, mine.

>>18740162
I don't know exactly how much shit you're full of but you cannot even begin to read anything with JLPT N5. For fuck's sake JLPT N5 doesn't even cover the elementary level Kanji. How many fucking memeing retards do we have on this board exactly?

>>18740404
I should add though, if you end goal is not to be fluent in Japanese it does not matter. If all you want is to mimic Japanese then go for it. That system is more than adequate for those purposes.

>>18740416
>JLPT N5 doesn't even cover the elementary level kanji
You're fucking ignorant for two reasons. First, N5 has kanji in it. Second, why the fuck would you study kanji like that? If you learn 食べる and 食べ物 then, wouldn't you fucking know it, you learned that 食 is the kanji for food. It's better to just drill the most common 200 or so words, which takes a week, than struggle through reading simple sentences. It just goes faster. After that, diminishing returns hits hard and you're going slower than you would reading, but fuck off if you think going into reading blank slate is smart.

>>18740416
I think he meant either the 2k or the JLPT 5.

Just increase your new cards per day and none of the shit you guys are bitching about will even matter.

>>18740432
So fucking what?

They are not interchangeable. Do you even know how many Kanji are required for the JLPT N5?

My point is retards like him are a complete nuisance on this board.

>>18740443
There you go again, thinking that kanji, individually from vocab, even matters. Who's the real memeing retard here? Because it certainly isn't me. Unless, that is, you think you should start reading with zero vocab and no knowledge of grammar. Yeah, good luck with that, fucking moron.

some kanji mean things and are common
being told that 無 and 不 are (usually) negation prefixes takes like 5 seconds and saves you 5~10 minutes of time trying to learn it naturally

「オーストラリアには豊富な哺乳類の化石の歴史を持ち、有蹄動物が主体となっている様々な既存の哺乳類がありますが、オーストラリアの哺乳動物に関する分類学的研究は現在のところ限られています。」

Wow, I just learned so fucking much. I mined so many useful words that will help me in becoming fluent in Japanese.

What? No, I have no idea about how these verbs "conjugate" or anything about their word order, or about the sentence structure for that matter, but I am confident that if I mine enough sentences and look enough words up on an internet dictionary I will reach fluency!!!

>>18740478
you joke but this is actually true

>>18740480
though sentence mining is honestly a waste of time. not harmful aside from wasting your time though.

>>18740480
Would you like to suck a dick? It really seems like you would.

>>18740484
yes i'm a huge faggot actually

so how many people do we have out there that have gotten fluent with khatsumoto's method yo.

and matt doesnt count. he took 5 years """"""""ajatting"""""""" just to speak basic japanese, that of course is a joke and doesnt count.

>>18740521
Are you a nigger? I'm surprised you wouldn't be for AJATT because it's basically the nigger's method to learning a foreign language.

>>18740478
That totally sounds like something that could be the first sentence of a reading question in the JLPT N1. There always seems to be one text talking about animals. In my case (N1, winter 2015) it was an article about hummingbirds.
So yes, you should prepare for reading those kinds of sentences.

みんな、気絶したことありますか

>>18740521
Is it really ineffective though?
I was of the impression that it works, but it's just very inefficient.

>>18740478
言葉づかいがちょっと不自然だと思う。余裕があるaonoは読んでみてほしい。

>オーストラリアには豊富な哺乳類の化石の歴史を持ち、
⇒オーストラリアには～の歴史があり、or オーストラリアは～の歴史を持ち、
（cf.「この国には長い歴史を持つ」、は変。「この国には長い歴史がある」は変じゃない。）

>有蹄動物が主体となっている様々な既存の哺乳類がありますが、
⇒哺乳類がいますが、
（cf.「犬があります」は変。「犬がいます」は変じゃない。）

最初の文を、「オーストラリアは～歴史を持ち、」に変えると、
２番目の文が
「（オーストラリアは、）～哺乳類がいますが、」になって、助詞が変だから、
最初の文は「オーストラリアには～」のままにしておく必要がある。

これらの理屈から、
>「オーストラリアには豊富な哺乳類の化石の歴史があり、有蹄動物が主体となっている様々な既存の哺乳類がいますが、オーストラリアの哺乳動物に関する分類学的研究は現在のところ限られています。」

Does anyone have the fourth volume of とつくにの少女？

>>18740478
>>18740799
もう少し細かいニュアンスの話。N1の勉強をしているanonに読んでもらえたらうれしい。

>有蹄動物が主体となっている
mainly 等の副詞を訳したのかなと思う。
「主体となって」は、普通は"人間の活動"に使う。（e.g.「この抗議活動は、若者が主体となって行われた。」）
>有蹄動物を中心とした
等のほうが自然だと思う。

>化石の歴史
『化石の歴史』には、２とおりの意味が考えられる。
1.（人間によって化石が発掘されてきた歴史（数百年）
2.生物の集団が生死を繰り返し、死がい等が化石となってきた歴史（数億年）
この文のテーマは生物の研究だから、(1)のほうの意味だと考えるのが自然だと思う。
それをはっきりさせるため、『化石の歴史』を、
>化石を産出してきた歴史
>化石が発掘されてきた歴史
などとしたほうが より良いと思う。

>限られています
limited 等の形容詞を訳したのだと思う。決して間違ってはいない。
けれど、 "be limited" の意味の文章では、どこまでか？の範囲を特定するのが普通。
「e.g. 研究は、主に新生代(Cenozoic era)における進化に関するものに限られています。」
そうではなく、ばく然と limited だ、と言いたいときは、
>研究は限られたものにとどまっています。
>研究はまだ十分になされていません。
などの言い方のほうが自然だと思う。

>>18740864
yes

>>18741071
Cool! Can I come over and borrow it?

>>18741114
sure you can come over to my internet house and we can all read it together on the internet
https://mega.nz/#F!N8gDgRxA!QpisG8PIq2039LjuwFT67w
dozo

おねがい
わたしのしらないことばでしゃべらないで

>>18741203
つまり、なにも言わないって…？

>>18740026
おにいちゃん

>>18731710
赤くて違くて青い。

>>18740026
in first place,typically,
girls does call guys name during sex?
I'm don't know about real sex.
for anime or manga, I think that is お兄ちゃん .

>>18741330
> 赤くて
An adjective
> 青い
An adjective
> 違くて
A verb / a noun

>>18740864
That looks interesting... Is it?

>>18731979
>even Japanese people can't learn Japanese
What hope is there for us?

>>18741585
it has cute art and it's pretty interesting so far, but not an incredible lot has happened story wise yet

>>18741623
theres always 希望 my ninja そんな簡単に夢諦めんじゃねぇよ

Hello, I just started learning vocab + kanji with anki but after like 2 week I was too busy to do my reps for a couple of days.
Now that I have time again I notice I have hundreds of reviews due, should I reset the deck or should I power through and maybe drop the amount of new cards until I catch up?

What are some good japanese shows for kids? Something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXhTAEOb1U

Has anybody here used hellotalk at all? What's the recommended level for it? Grammar-wise I'm probably about n5, but I've read most of tae Kim's site as well, I just don't have any really good way to test myself on grammar like I do with vocab.

I don't feel like I could really make coherent sentences fast enough in my head to have a good back and forth in real time, though.

>>18741952
Never reset your deck. Do your fucking reps.
You can disable new cards until you catch up.
I quit Anki for 1.5 years and had 11000 due reps when I came back. It took 2 weeks but I did them.

>>18741998
Ok thanks. This is what I wanted to hear.
It feels nice being able to read simple stuff like some twitter posts already.

>>18741988
http://www.antimoon.com/other/myths.htm

FUCK

always a comfortable djt experience to see the seasoned flashcard addicts enabling the budding flashcard entrants

>>18742030
reminder

i have the flashcards i have the power

>>18742030
If only there was some kind of system to distinguish words with the same pronounciation, like different symbols or something

>>18742042
Isn't the problem more that using entire syllables to build words makes words too long if you want a unique sound for each word?

>>18742042
Can you explain that for a smooth brain? What is he saying that the invention of hiragana/katakana was a mistake and by comparison the roman alphabet is the worst of these offenders for narrowing down human thought but is seen as ingenious?

How do you actually study a sentence card from Subs2SRS? What I've done so far:

>Bilingual card, snapshot,kanji without furigana, audio front
>Kanji with furigana, english meaning on back
>Suspend any card with aspects I don't know, be that grammar or vocab
>delete any I do know fully
>move suspended cards to a staging area deck to be made into full cards.

Should I just then study the card, figure out what I don't know, add the dictionary definitions and grammar points in the Notes field then move on? Is there a more automated process for generating that dictionary definition?

>>18742049
SHIT

>>18742074
realize what youre doing is actually a fools endeavor and spend more time being exposed to in context nihongo

>>18742074
Why do this to yourself? I'm sure it must work but vocabulary cards + reading also works without being so tedious.

>>18742081
I didn't say it's an efficient system

>>18742087
I don't know if it's tedious because I haven't actually used it yet. What's the tedious part of studying sections of stuff you watched to learn the parts you didn't get?

>>18742023
I'm not really working under any of these assumptions, I just need an outlet for practicing grammar that isn't just me trying to cobble sentences together in a void or trying to translate native speakers. I just need to know someone who can help me out actively, and it seems like a decent environment for that, but I don't know how acceptable it is to go into it expecting such a one sided relationship.

>>18742104
It's Anki, which is inherently tedious, and since it takes more time than vocabulary, it's more tedious.

>>18742113
sift through the unwashed masses of nihonjims who wanna practice english until you find one you like or hire a tutor

if you hire a tutor you better be compiling lots of things to coherently convey to them to get them to work with you on or its a waste of your time and money

Wait why do japanese read sentences left to right? Shouldn't it be right to left for them?

>>18742129
Why?

>>18742129
same reason they drive on the left side of the road dude

>>18742113
You practice grammar by reading grammar, idiot. Stop looking for excuses to learn

>>18742129
It's actually because Japanese naturally have a gene that makes their left eye more focused than their right eye, i.e. reading from left to right is more efficient.

>>18742135
they structure their books that way and when they do the vertical writing you go right to left so why didnt they just go right to left in horizontal as well?

>>18742137
because of swords?

>>18742146
rotate text clockwise 90 degrees without rotating the characters themselves demonstrates why it's left to right when horizontal

>>18742129
They did write right to left traditionally, I guess they just transitioned to left to right eventually due to westernization. It doesn't really matter to natives anyhow, they can read it in any direction, even upside down.

>idiots with opinions

It's because computer screens go left to right

>>18742165
??????????

>>18742070
he's talking about kanji obviously but i don't think i can explain it since it baffles me too

you only need to look at >>18742030 to see why kanji are a good thing and it's a little bit astonishing that anyone who knows japanese (like presumably the guy who wrote the book that excerpt is from) could think that kanji are somehow "too complicated" and should be thrown out

not even going to touch on the part about the western alphabet being the greatest triumph of the human mind

>>18742030
>>18742171
Ah yes, good thing Japs speak in kanji so they can differentiate these words.

hey can you retards go to the otaku japanese thread >>18730410 this is the thread for winners

>>18742176
When speaking you can differentiate similar words based on context.

>>18742176
>what is context

>>18742176
there
they're
their

>>18742176
>>18742192
ghoti
fish

checkmate anglos

>>18742181
we are just having some light conversation to pass the time anon. we only have one life to live on this planet.

>>18742196
>>18742192
>>18742186
>>18742184
Too bad written Japanese doesn't have context :( I guess kanji truly is the greatest invention of the human mind

>>18742226
I don't think it's good or perfect but it's usable.

>>18742201
あらわたしもそこは同感だわ

>>18742226
Who even said that?

>>18742226
no its the flashcards which which to benkyo the kanjis lol

>>18742030
quiet drift!?!?!?!??

>>18742276
ORE WA.... TESLA DESU KA??????????

わたしは・・ゲインダム

>>18742139

Being able to read doesn't mean you can make sentences yourself.

>>18742417
it does in some ways because you can just stitch shit together without thinking for yourself

just like.. memes

muppet see muppet do
muppet dance

>>18742427
Forming sentences just requires a lot more knowledge. You can just read enough example sentences and memorize forms and be able to read, but you won't understand the meaning behind word choices. If you really brute forced it you might eventually memorize a million sentence forms and be able to plug in whatever nouns and verbs you want, but that's a dumb approach in my opinion and wouldn't really lead to a good understanding of the language.

It makes a lot more sense to just practice forming sentences with the vocabulary you know, because it forces you to encounter these word choice situations and understand the reasoning that goes into them.

>>18742455
with enough exposure anyone can use what they know to make a couple of sentences but if you asked someone to give you the equivalent of the english 3.5 paragraph in nihongo if they have no functional grasp of the language its impossible and they will sound completely all over the place in addition to other mistakes which is where im agreeing with you that reading doesnt help you think and conceptualize and produce in nihongo

>>18742049
If only you could speak kanji

>>18742483
>reading writing doesn't teach you to produce better writing
maybe if your brain works like google translate

>>18742525
YOU SAID I CAN'T SPEAK?!?

>>18742526
It's helpful but it's not the best way to learn to write. To get better at any part of a language it's obvious that you need to directly do the thing you want to get better at.

>>18742526
? you misquoting me and spinning it doesnt change the reality that your nihongo knowledge *pushes up glasses* *snorts* is read-only and you do not have the appropriate permissions to modify it

>>18742546
that's true, but it's also true that your ability to comprehend a language is pretty directly tied to your ability to produce in it
as in, writing draws straight from your big base of intuitive language knowledge (built by absorbing input) at the same time as it draws from expressive skill (built by being informed and practicing output and seeing results) and neither of these can be ignored or replaced
the knowledge gained from input is also a lot more important toward the knowledge gained from practicing output than the other way around, i.e. if you can understand a language your brain probably has the circuits to produce it, since your brain isn't a hard drive, and so definitely has consciously or unconsciously been training the output part of your language knowledge for the extent of the time you've been absorbing input

>>18742553
there's no such thing as "read-only" knowledge of a langauge dumbass
understanding a language in the first place is a process that requires output from your noggin

>>18742606
no one said anything about understanding were talking about reading mate : )

>>18742628
you got me there

I find that regular handwriting practice unlocks something in my brain that allows me to actually memorize kanji on a non-abstract "general shape of the word" level.

I'm stuck in a constant haze of second guessing and lapses in memory when it comes to kanji, and I know that when I don't recognize a kanji right away from its overall shape, I need to be able to slow down and look at the individual parts instead of making unnecessary trips to jisho. I've tried just repeating the parts in my head whenever I have to look up a kanji, but it didn't really work. I decided to go back to writing a few kanji per day, 20 or so times per kanji (something that I was doing when I permanently cleared up a lot of things like 感 vs. 惑, 減 vs. 滅, 憂 vs. 愛, etc.). I couldn't give you the neuroscience, but it seems like my head is suddenly much more receptive towards memorizing the kanji itself.

At any rate, if you're having the same problem, give it a try.

>>18742702
>I find that regular handwriting practice unlocks something in my brain that allows me to actually memorize kanji on a non-abstract "general shape of the word" level.
You don't need anything more than "general shape" if you don't plan on writing kanji by hand.
>I decided to go back to writing a few kanji per day, 20 or so times per kanji (something that I was doing when I permanently cleared up a lot of things like 感 vs. 惑, 減 vs. 滅, 憂 vs. 愛, etc.). I couldn't give you the neuroscience, but it seems like my head is suddenly much more receptive towards memorizing the kanji itself.
You just waste time. People always want to do stupid shit except for diligently working and studying. You could learn a few new words for the time needed to write down a kanji 20 times.

>>18742850
>You don't need anything more than "general shape" if you don't plan on writing kanji by hand.
t. absolute beginner
You can get away with general shape when starting out, but you'll eventually need more to distinguish between similar complex kanji.

>>18742850
>You don't need anything more than "general shape"
>People always want to do stupid shit except for diligently working and studying.

Apparently actually learning what the kanji look like is stupid shit and not really studying.

Even though 2 DJT threads are up and this one was originally a joke (#69), people seem to prefer posting here rather than the autistic OJT thread. I say we keep doing this and let that other idiot create his vacant OJT thread everytime, while we create the real DJT thread. Mods will eventually see what's up and delete these stupid OJT threads on sight.

>>18742850

>You don't need anything more than "general shape" if you don't plan on writing kanji by hand.

General shape OF WORDS. For example, one problem that I had for a long time was not even realizing that 姿勢 had the same kanji as 姿 and 勢い in it. Obviously, it's more convenient for both lookup purposes and for being able to figure out the word by the surrounding context and kanji involved to be able recognize the kanji itself, without any guesswork.

I have my doubts that you people are as proficient as you put on. I'd like to see some actual prolonged studies done on this shit, where they set up four classes in a proper language school, with twenty students per class. Class A and Class B will use heisig and handwriting practice, while Class C and Class D will do zero dedicated kanji study and will grind pure vocabulary. If Class C and Class D are >= Class A and Class B, then we'll know that you're right and that dedicated kanji study is a waste of time. I'd be surprised, though.

Or maybe we could even do that experiment on the net. Have absolute beginners who want to learn Japanese register to the experiment and be assigned a "class" at random, then follow the instructions given in that class. One class will have dedicated kanji study worked into its curriculum, while the other just grind vocabulary and read.

>>18742912
actually my master plan for the next one was to create a entirely new thread series where we have no more repeating preliminary study method debates or how do i read this manga bubble or flashcard chat or man i cant read this kanji because its just like this other kanji and worshipping gaijins who know nihongo and have real big boy conversations about gaining understanding instead of knowledge

all while still in regards to loving 2d more than anything else in the world..

its gonna be sick

>>18742912
I don't know why that autist insists on trying to rename the threads. As evidenced by the fact that he's the only one who keeps making these "Otaku Japanese Threads", it's obvious that nobody but him wants DJT's name to change. Yet he continues in his autistic quest to change the thread name anyway and the mods do fuck all about it even though he always posts his threads later than the proper DJT threads. And now the thread numbers are getting all fucked up because there are always two threads up at a time with the same number.

Are there any mods or janitors here right now? Can you please explain why you aren't taking any action over this guy?

>>18742953
>for a long time was not even realizing that 姿勢 had the same kanji as 姿 and 勢い in it.
Did you fall for the reading meme and just started mining instead of doing core first? Same kanji words are often bunched together in the core deck, and 姿 and 姿勢 are 1774 and 1775 respectively. It's recommended in this general to only start reading at 3k words in the core2/6k deck, I would do that and go back to reading afterwards if I were you.

>>18743032
I think he's the same autist who didn't want to be on /int/ and who has the mods in his pocket, so much so that he convinced them them to let the DJT threads be here on /jp/, so much so that any criticism of this general's purpose or of the constant influx of shills gets promptly deleted and the user banned for a few days. He single-handedly has been ruining this general ever since we moved from /a/, and maybe even before that.

>>18743032
i think if there was any reason to delete those threads then it applies to these threads as well

both threads are equally garbage

>>18743057
Agreed, mods should really send us back to /int/ where language learning threads belong. This general has nothing to do with otaku culture besides indirectly though the consumption of cartoons and comic books.

>>18743057
If two people post the same thread, it is convention that the one posted first is left up and the one posted second is deleted for being a duplicate... in all cases except this one, apparently.

>both threads are equally garbage
You're free to leave, if you feel that way. Nobody is forcing you to post here.

>>18743084
they arent duplicate threads tho (in name only because im posting in both as is most everyone else)

also just because both threads are equally garbage doesnt mean i dont like playing at the dump

>>18743078
I don't care whether we stay here or get sent to /int/, but the threads really ought to be reunified. Not only is it stupid that we have competing threads across two different boards, but the quality of the threads has noticeably declined ever since this state of affairs came into being. The mods should ban them on all boards except one (whichever one that may be).

>>18743034

I finished Core 6k (took a break because of school, so some of it slipped out, but not all of it), and am currently reading without a text hooker. I've finished two regular games and one long VN without a text hooker at this point, and am pretty far along in eroge #2 without a text hooker. I'm done with anki. The 姿勢 thing is the ancient past. I was just using it as an example.

However, sometimes basic kanji still slip out, which is why I want to nail this leaking hull shut and make my knowledge more airtight. It obviously would have been better to have built my ship to not leak to begin with.

>>18743109

Why not let people choose whichever community they prefer? The cancerous eternal JLPT N5 faggots can gather at /int/, while people who actually want to learn Japanese can come here.

>>18743109
Maybe we should make a thread on /qa/ asking mods to put everything on /int/ like they originally had decided when moving us from /a/. I agree that the quality has declined since the separation. /int/'s DJT usually has less shitposting and more useful information but not enough people on it to sustain it. This one here is sustained but is rampant with shitposting and autism. I feel like reuniting them and having these opposites meet in the middle would make for the best type of DJT threads. I think it's pretty stupid that mods listened to only a few autists screeching for their decision to let them set up shop on /jp/. Never should have happened.

>>18743109
show me a time when these threads werent garbage if you dare

>>18743129
why do you tell people to choose themselves in one sentence and then choose for them in the other

djt is going down its time for 卒業 biotch

>>18743150

>descriptive = prescriptive

>>18743034
>It's recommended in this general to only start reading at 3k words in the core2/6k deck

>tfw started reading at 500 words

>>18743306
And you probably had to look everything up, making the experience more long and tedious than it had to be. Sucks to be you, you shouldn't have listened to shitposters.

>>18743306
For me it was about 750. It's not like learning more words is going to help you much if you don't have anything to anchor them with.

>>18743084
>If two people post the same thread, it is convention that the one posted first is left up and the one posted second is deleted for being a duplicate... in all cases except this one, apparently.
Yeah but in this case, we have some autistic faggot waiting for hours with his finger on the button in order to be the first to post his OJT faggotry general. If the first of the two threads is an obvious shitpost, it should be disregarded and the real thread which was posted after the first one should be considered the real thread.

>>18743342
>It's not like learning more words is going to help you much if you don't have anything to anchor them with.
Actually it's the opposite which is true. It's not like reading helps if you don't have enough vocab and grammar to anchor it with.

>部室の部屋の隅にかけられたカレンダーが目に入る。
>部室の部屋

>>18743148
>/int/'s DJT usually has less shitposting and more useful information but not enough people on it to sustain it. This one here is sustained but is rampant with shitposting and autism. I feel like reuniting them and having these opposites meet in the middle would make for the best type of DJT threads.
異体同心

>>18743032
We've already gone through something similar in the past when some autist wanted to change the OP image and went into a rage where he started making 10 new threads every time the main thread died.

It is probably the same person.

>>18743414
It does feel very reminiscent of the Sakura autist.

How do I do core2k and grammar concurrently? I started core2k a week ago and was looking to start grammar work as well but upon checking genki, I need to learn additional vocab to do the chapters it would seem. Should I do 2 decks at the same time? I downloaded the genki deck from the guide but doing 15-20 new core2k words per day + the vocab for genki seems like too much for an absolute beginner to handle. I will look at the Tae Kim book tomorrow but I assume there are also such requirements there as well (?).

>>18743433
at least that pic doesnt have a pedo ass message in the background

good change imo

>>18743450
You should read more.

>>18743450
Tae Kim gives all vocab translations at the beginning of every part. You're supposed to just read through all of Tae Kim and do core2/6k at the same time, and then start reading when you get to the 3k mark.

>>18743466
you should post less (as in never)

>>18743465
>at least that pic doesnt have a pedo ass message in the background
Can someone post that? I've never even noticed.

>>18743450
Don't do Genki if you also want to do Tae Kim.
Just do Tae Kim and don't worry about knowing all the vocab, he lists it at the start of each section and you can even hover over stuff to get the translation.

>>18743467
>start reading when you get to the 3k mark
What is this meme? Can you stop?

>>18743467
>3k
Fuck off already.

>>18743471
come on my ninja.. >>18730410

>>18743467
>>18743474
Cheers
>>18743476
Out of curiosity, what is the "recommended" point? I've seen responses ranging from 1000 to 3000 on various forums.

>>18741639
>>18741585
The art style is what got me to read it

>>18743482
2K at the latest.

>>18743474
>What is this meme? Can you stop?
No, because a strawpoll we did a while back showed that people thought it was optimal time/benefit usage to wait until you're at 3k, because otherwise you're spending too much time looking up words and not getting enough benefit from reading. Feel free to strawpoll this again, but the previous results were quite unanimous about this.

>>18743491
haha why on earth do you think something like that validates anything ever

>>18743497
Everything in the guide was decided on community consensus. But obviously some newly arrived phleddit faggot like you would know nothing about it. You just leech resources and shitpost, bringing nothing to the table. Fuck off an go back.

>>18743491
So you suggest spending months "learning" from an arbitrary list of words before even thinking about reading?

>>18743505
lmao i just met this word 人身攻撃 and what the fuck is a ad hominem lol

>>18743491
>No, because a strawpoll we did a while back showed that people thought it was optimal time/benefit usage to wait until you're at 3k
How many people participated?
When was this?
How do you know the people participating weren't just trolling?

>>18743505
>le ebic sekrit club
You fuck off too, dude. There's no point in waiting until 3k, might as well start earlier and actually see how the words you're artificially learning via anki are used naturally.

>>18743513
it's kind of like a sortie

>>18743513
Good job on not using that word right.

>>18743351
This. It always amazes me how people start reading without really knowing anything. I began reading extremely easy stuff when I reached ~3k words and ~1k kanjis in anki and knew all grammar from imabi and it was very painful, having to look up words more than hundred times every day. 500 words don't even cover some very basic stuff. I don't understand why people want to get immersed in native materials as fast when reading grammar articles and example sentences in neatly arranged charts will yield better results. It's not like you would read a lot more text than if you had read sentences explaining grammatical features.

>>18743465
>pedo ass message

>>18743515
>How many people participated?
About 70-80 if I recall
>When was this?
About 2-3 months ago if I recall
>How do you know the people participating weren't just trolling?
Because we spent like a whole thread arguing the pros and cons of the decision.

>>18743517
but what the fuck is a 出撃

>>18743523
youre a retard and you still havent answered my question you southern hemisphere dwelling subhuman

>>18743526
What did you start reading with?

>>18743515
See replies like this one >>18743526
Most people were saying shit like this in the thread, confirming the thought that the ''read more'' faggots were just shitposting, and not at all a reflection of what DJTers actually felt was right.
>le ebic sekrit club
So pooling resources and knowledge for the betterment of future users is now ''muh sekrit club''? Fuck you, there's a reason other forums only contain shit advice for language learning.

紅芋
kek so rarely get to read that in english, yam

fucken purple YAM

the 3k strawpoll was destroyed by a simultaneous and not manipulatively stopped strawpoll

the guide was made by loud beginners, not community consensus

if you disagree with either of these statements then you are rejecting objective reality

>>18743513
ad hominem is a a personal insult used instead of an argument,
It's like "you're wrong because you're a faggot"

>>18743564
also the read more posters are not shitposting

>>18743541
if its your first year or 2, stick to textbooks, they have reading exercises with vocab lists and grammar lessons to go alongside the texts
its really the best method

>>18743574
>two years for textbooks
keep the trolling to reddit please

>>18743564
>rejecting objective reality
The burden is on you to show that such a thing exists.

>>18743585
ok prove your strawpoll exists and that it wasn't manipulated

>>18743579
i'm not suggesting that he ignore anki, of course. that's a very valuable tool for more intensive learning.

>>18743593
it's not about Anki
textbooks are nearly worthless after a few weeks or months

>>18743478
Based. My support for the name change only increased.

>>18743541
Some short VNs, I don't think titles say anything, I just consider to be awfully easy compared to what I read now.

I have noticed that Japanese words change in certain sentences. I thought "I want to fly an airplane" would be "Watashi wa Hoshī desu o Hikōki Ni Tobu." But it is actually "Watashi wa hikōki o tobitai." Am I missing something?

>>18743564
>>18743570
>the 3k strawpoll was destroyed by a simultaneous and not manipulatively stopped strawpoll
Actually the butthurt ''read more'' shitposters wouldn't accept the result so they created a second faulty strawpoll with a rigged question.
>the guide was made by loud beginners, not community consensus
Originally, but it has been tweeked over years through community consensus, and slowly figuring out what worked and what didn't collectively.
>if you disagree with either of these statements then you are rejecting objective reality
Sure, even though most people agree that reading is a lot more beneficial at the 3k mark rather than the 1k mark, which is insufficient to read most anything. I think you're the one in denial, either that or you're trying to discourage noobs from learning the language by telling them to read when it's at its most tedious.
>also the read more posters are not shitposting
They/you are. You need to fuck off to either OJT or phleddit, just stop posting here.

>>18743608
Stop using ローマ字.

>>18743608
>Watashi wa Hoshī desu o Hikōki Ni Tobu.
How'd you get the idea of putting the desu there?

>>18743609
no I'm pretty sure your first strawpoll was the one with the loaded question
it's time to give up and move on, this was months ago. you're fucking insane.

>>18743591
I already said, it wasn't manipulated because 99% of the posts in that thread supported the results and has explanations resembling what this guy >>18743526 said.

>かわなばよボディあなボディ
I overheard that being said, what does it mean?

What does the grammar VにVて mean? E.g.:

〆切の残り時間が押しに押してなければ

I guess this sentence more or less means "as long as the time remaining before the deadline isn't too pressing", but how exactly does this work?

>>18743618
If it was loaded, why did most people regularly lurking DJT answer it, and why did most discussion in the thread agree with the 3k to read comfortably option? You're a minority in thinking that reading sub 2k vocab is a good use of your time in the beginning, stop spreading your shit here.

>>18743543
if djt wasnt nothing but shit advice wouldnt we be past the following things by now:

learning kanji with flashcards

reading vs writing vs speaking

arguing which preliminary study method is the way to go (ironic in a thread where you make fun of dudes like "nuke marine" or w/e which leads me to..)

what gaijin on social media knows or is learning nihongo

all other stupid shit involving kanji like lol how do you tell these apart they look the same

posts like these >>18743491

asking for lines to be translated without adding any content of their own to the post

all thread meta shit about the state of these threads (im doing this right now) which also includes all of:

op image bitching

whos posting what

booger mans

and on and on

if your response is anyone who becomes proficient leaves then why do i see so many fuckers dating themselves in these threads with posts such as >>18743433

show me proof that anyone became actually proficient ever from their time on djt because i still havent seen it and i know it isnt an actual thing

最後にわたしはゲイ
have a nice day *drops the mic*

>>18743615
All romanji since I'm on a friends laptop, sorry.
>>18743617
I thought that would make the most sense given the polite/neutral context.

How can you even answer that question without knowing what type of reading material people are going to start with?
I don't think you need 3k to enjoy reading Yotsuba.

>>18743450
>I will look at the Tae Kim book tomorrow but I assume there are also such requirements there as well (?)
It is a well known fact that tae kim himself shills his (dog)shit in these threads

>>18743648
tae kim doesn't even know how 4chan works

>>18743640
>enjoy reading Yotsuba
Funny.

>>18743640
>How can you even answer that question without knowing what type of reading material people are going to start with?
I'm sure there's some appropriate Kami to pray to.

>>18742702
My suggestion is you don't need to worry about memorizing all the different forms of the Hiragana Katakana. When you have been proficient enough to master all the Hiragana and Katakana, these kinds of different forms will be easy to distinguish since your mental mind/brain database already have some kinds of "Hiragana Katakana's patterns".

also 3k vocabulary from core 6k is pathetic and doesn't even give you like 90% coverage on fucking flyable heart

the most arbitrary of arbitrary cutoff points. enough of an investment to be worth a lot of time, but not enough for returns on continuing to diminish.

>>18743674
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to memorize Hiragana.

>>18743637
The simple answer is two points. First, since some people who have learned the language leave (although some stay, like you pointed out), there are always more beginners than advanced learners, making conversation slanted and making most posts retarded answers or advice. Second, a lot of the points you brought up are yet to be resolved, so the conversation is still ongoing about what is optimal or not. Kind of like how we determined 3k vocab to be optimal to start reading a few months back. It was a conclusion drawn from all the users here learning over a period of time and sharing their experiences. How else can we know what works and what doesn't? If you have a better way, please share.

So with my understanding, the "も" particle after "私" essentially turns it from "i" to "my".
So if I wanted to say, "I like my dinner" Would I say "私もご飯が好きです" or would it be a "わ" instead? if so, why?

18743637 is my brother from another mother

>>18743647
That was the rigged second strawpoll. What's the matter, are you afraid to post the real one?

>>18743693
doesn't look rigged to me, the question asked in this strawpoll is equivalent to your assertions

>>18743637
If all our advice is shit then why don't you share with us your golden method and show us the light?

"how many words you should know before you seek out native content for reading practice" is the matching question for the statement "it was optimal time/benefit usage to wait until you're at 3k ... reading"

>>18743698
read more

this is not a shitpost

What are the best known methods for learning Japanese from anime?

>>18743702
Don't do it.

>>18743706
Why not?

>>18743701
>read more
WTF? Where has this been all along? Why have I been wasting my time all these years doing Anki for nothing, did you lie to me DJT?

>>18743697
No because obviously you have to read some thing in order to study grammar and such things. The question you posted makes it seem like you shouldn't even attempt to read one sentence before hitting 1k vocab, and that isn't the argument. Obviously at the 1k mark, it's natural to have read at least a bit. The real question was rather ''at what point does reading get comfortable enough to be beneficial time-wise?'' and the answer there was unanimously 3k.

>>18743718
sorry to say, these charlatans have been hiding the truth from you to peddle their cult obsessions
i'm glad you've finally come to

How do you not lose motivation for studying?

>>18743722
it specifically excludes things like reading practice sections in textbooks and other non-native-intended material. try again

>>18743701
"Read more" is probably the most frequently posted piece of advice here. I thought you said our advice was shit?

>>18743722
>The real question was rather ''at what point does reading get comfortable enough to be beneficial time-wise?''
This is not a question anyone asks.

>>18743731
Most of the advice posted here is garbage. "Read more", while extremely common, is unfortunately not the most common advice here.

>>18743701
It's the ''before seeking out native content'' which is bullshit. It's a matter of ''optimal time/benefit'', not ''avoiding any Japanese before x point'' like you're making it out to be.

>>18743722
please cite one (1) person who cares about "comfortable enough to be beneficial time-wise" other than you, as though that phrase even means anything and isn't meaningless grammar stew

>>18743742
sorry dude but when you insist "It's recommended in this general to only start reading at 3k words" this is exactly what you mean

>>18743727
To keep motivated, one of my recipes is try to find something that will make me like/admire Japanese. For example, I like to watch Japanese drama/anime with English subtitle and when I watch them, sometimes I can learn some Japanese phrases. From time to time, besides learning some Japanese phrases, I also learn the Japanese culture, learn to appreciate the amazing Japanese drama/anime's plot story and the touching soundtracks that make me admire Japanese.

>pirate senran kagura on pc
>it starts up in japanese
>didn't even know it had the japanese text in it
I guess I'm going to get some practice I wasn't expecting

>It's recommended in this general to only start reading at 3k words
>The question you posted makes it seem like you shouldn't even attempt to read one sentence before hitting 1k vocab, and that isn't the argument. Obviously at the 1k mark, it's natural to have read at least a bit.

Three months. Still stupid.

Don't trust Anonymous.

>>18743765
Please prove this you fucking retard.

>>18743771
Both of those quotes are from this very thread, and they were posted by the same person.

>>18743747
Yeah, it's recommended time/benefit-wise since there are better uses of your time early on.
>>18743743
The people who care are the people who aren't NEETs and who don't have all the time in the world. Time optimization is important for those people, and having to look up 3/4 of the words in every sentence is a stupid way to spend your time at the beginning. 1k is largely insufficient, stop trolling.

>>18743734
>Most of the advice posted here is garbage.
Like what?

>>18743778
It's not recommended by anyone but you. Stop forcing this dumb meme.

I recently begin to practice reading things like news and stories but I'm a beginner that started around 2 months ago. I feel like I don't understand the most effective way to go about this.
I was wondering if it is useful and even possible to write many new vocabs down and remember them or look up anything I don't know and move on?

common recommendations:
>read asap
>read when you do 500/1000/2000 words
>read when you do 5000/6000 words
>read when you do core10k/coreplus (lol)

uncommon recommendations:
>read when you do 3000 words

some of these recommendations are stupid, some of them are intelligent, but only one of them is not an actual common recommendation

>>18743783
And everyone who replied to the first strawpoll, which you still refuse to post.

>>18743790
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n7298cu/

I was mad for the last hour, I don't remember why, I think I was just browsing here but I sort of blacked out. Now feel I have better retention. Does this ever happen to you?

>>18743796
Sorry dude, it doesn't come up when you search strawpoll 3k or strawpoll 3000 on warosu. Guess you fucked up by not posting it yourself, huh?

>>18743710
Because it's not how people really talk and you'll sound like a dumbass. Imagine learning English from movies and walking around saying shit like "we're not so different, you and I!'

>>18743809
i love it when foreigners talk like movies they're so much easier to understand than the ones that talk like textbooks

>>18743809
But anime Japanese is much easier to learn Grammar and Kanji wise. It would be more optimal if you don't have that much free time but you still want to enjoy Japanese/Otaku media.

It's commonly recommended in these threads that you start reading after learning 3164 kanji using Rememrising The Kodansha's Kanji Learner's Kani-sama. Any earlier than that and it's a chore to look up words, not a good time/effort investment.

I've learned a few kanji characters. I am a little confused about how to use them. For example, if i saw a sentence written in capital letters would I look at each character and say those sounds to make Spanish words, or would it make phonetic alphabet words. And if it made phonetic alphabet words, wouldn't I then have to learn all of the definitions for those words?

>>18743833
Remember that if you start listening to others telling you what you should or should not be doing - it will become a habit and you will end up living the life of others until the day you die. There was a research where nurses interviewed people on their deathbeds who spoke about their regrets in life. The thing that they regretted most was that they lived the life of others instead of living a life for themselves.

I've learned a few words. I'm a little confused about how to use them. For example, if I saw a sentence written in hiragana and kanji I would look at each string of characters and recall the associated pronunciations to make Japanese sounds, or would it make phonetic katakana words. And if it made phonetic katakana words, wouldn't I then have to learn all the etymologies for those words like バイト?

I have a very specific request: I would like to learn to speak japanese without learning kanji, so only romanji BUT I would also like to understand the grammar rules and sentence build up.
I have been looking around a lot and whenever something is Romanji based it never gives you indepth grammar rules. It's just pure memorization of sentences like where is the bathroom, what is your name.
Does anyone know any good sources where I can learn Romanji and japanese rules+grammar?

>have trouble focusing on my reps
>start doing them on my phone while walking around my room
>get them done quickly and with maximum focus
highly recommended

I have a very specific request: I would like to learn to read Japanese without learning to speak, so only kanji, hiragana, and katakana, BUT I would also like to be able to compose sentences.
I have been looking around a lot and whenever something is Kanji based it never gives you indepth information about anything about Japanese actually. It's just pure memorization of shapes and keywords like this is the nailbat, if you see the nailbat with the crow it means dinner is ready.
Does anyone know any good sources where I can learn kanji, hiragana, and katakana and how to compose sentences?

>>18743795
Maybe not everyone is a NEET who can study 16 hours a day and learn them all in a week, anon. It's a fairly big time investment for doing something extremely boring, language learning should start out with something interesting, like short stories in romanji which introduces you to basic grammar.

>>18743870
Are you trying to mock me or do you have genuine advice?

Maybe not everyone is a businessman who can't accept that half an hour of reading a day isn't a lot, even if it's hard. It's a fairly big and boring time investment to learn 3000 words upfront. Language learning should start out with something interesting, like bilingual translations of native short stories which introduce you to basic grammar and vocabulary.

>>18743866
Doesn't mom get mad because she hears you pacing?

Why are you NEETs so lazy? You should be doing at least 100 new cards a day.

>>18743884
my advice is to want to post >>18743870 instead of >>18743858

>tfw so burned out all i can do is memorize kanji meanings and not the readings
furigana wont save me
>>18743890
that's bullshit, i did Remembering the Kana and took me two weeks to read half of the book.

>>18743897
>i did Remembering the Kana
that's where you fucked up

>got really cocky thinking I'm too good to spend 30 minutes on anki
>crank modifiers up like 200%, send cards I barely knew way into the future
>anki barely takes 15 minutes with 30 mined cards a day
>3 months later my mature retention plummets to shit
>cards that look brand new to me have 6 month intervals
>will pretty much have to relearn half of the shit I mined from the start
God damn I was retarded, please don't make the same mistake as me DJT.

>>18743890
Enjoy frying your brain.

>>18743817
Go learn from anime then I guess.

>>18743915
sorry to burst your bubble dude

Does the order in which I learn hirigana and katakana matter? I wanna go with katakana first since I already know English.

>>18743918
Learn Chinese first.

>>18743888
>It's a fairly big and boring time investment to learn 3000 words upfront.
It's 5 months at 20 new words a day. For someone who has limited time, it's better to concentrate on this and grammar and get it over with as fast as possible, then drop to 10 new words a day and use the extra time to start reading. That's what I did and it was optimal. Never struggled looking shit up instead of reading really. Reading is supposed to be just that, and not a dictionary lookup minigame.

>>18743916
Eh, I honestly don't have much experience talking to foreigners, I've just heard that most Japanese can tell and hate it when someone talks like an anime character.

Does anyone in your family know that you're learning Japanese? I've been keeping it a secret from my parents so far but my brother found out today and it didn't go too well.

>>18743908
Most people here are able to read the guide and follow it. You opted to be a retard instead. Lesson learned I guess.

you want the fastest path to literacy?
sure thing
day 1: read manga with furigana in bed for 30 minutes, painstakingly looking up every single kana and kanji you need to understand
day 2: repeat
day 3: repeat
day 4: ...
day 90: congratulations, you have basic barebones literacy in japanese, and it only took reading in your bed for three months. from here you can do literally anything you want and it'll go like three times faster than if you did anki for seven months instead.