/jp/ - Otaku Culture

im the piggy w/ the rain booties cause i dont wana get dirty

今日死んだらどうする

>>19317138
you're the piggy w/ the rain booties because your mom wont let you get dirty but you know what you really want

these boots were made for walkin (thru yalls shit)

IDK how people can need to rely on such ridiculous mnemonics/stories to remember this Kanji, all I have to do is glance at it once and my mind immediately fills with the meme in pic related. The top half looks sort of like his sunglasses-wearing face, and the bottom part... It nearly looks like an American flag just like his shirt. so it's not difficult at all to go "oh, depression"

you have 10 seconds to explain why its ok that this kids better than you at nihongo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsB-BIZB_YE

>>19317181
はんばーがー

もう２かげつくらい

たべてないなあとおもいました

おなかすいた

>>19317178
>hadn't seen 鬱 in readings yet
>but people here spam it all the time
>memorized it by using this thread as pseudo srs
thanks for doing all the work for me, virgins

>>19317185
>read
>be exposed to kanji over and over again
>reading is a pseudo SRS

Congratulations, you figured it out. Now go read a 小説 or Wikipedia and stop drilling core decks.

>>19317194
>stop drilling core decks
dropped that shit after 2k; im just slow, lazy, and mildly busy. ill see 憂鬱 eventually

special message to the flash card junkie boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CIbBugfqeQ#t=60

>>19317150
>だ
stop talking like an anime character

>>19317194
>read
>be exposed to any of 30000+ words over and over
>srs
>be exposed to a small pool of words that you are familiar with over and over that slowly get pushed to longer intervals such that you aren't seeing words...
fuck it, you know what i'm getting at.

nihongos really easy once you learn it

>首とか胸元とかのキスも気分って結構出るよね
What is the "出る" doing there? From previous text it's been paired with 気分, but I don't understand what "気分が出てる" meant either.

it means what you think it means its the japanese way to express the concept

>>19317330
in japanese feelings and emotions work with 出す and 出る, probably the most common usage of which is 元気を出せ

i guess in some sense feelings are things that you bring out

>>19317178
The mnemonics are for writing, not recognizing. Any idiot can recognize it.

Does anyone have a good resource for extremely easy children's books? I'm a fucking retard so I've been having a lot of trouble getting a good grasp on japanese grammar even after reading the guide 3-5 times and spending the past month trying to read yotsuba and play inazuma 11. I've been trying to use the neocities resource list, but even the easy and basic stuff on the list is taking me an hour to read like 3-5 sentences. Is this normal, or am I jumping in to things above my level?

Making stories become easier when you unshackle the autism in you. I just gotta reign myself back in when i'm done.

>>19317610
You're confusing simple and easy. Beginner level stuff is simple, but any foray into language learning is going to be hard.
Nothing will feel like it means anything at all, its just a joke to your brain, and it has no structure, no basis in reality. There is zero trust.
But all that will come, if you just keep reading and making an honest attempt at comprehension.

>>19317330
るーど

>>19317675
I'll keep going, but do you have a suggestion for some simple/easy level material that isn't yotsubato? The slang and dialect are really hurting my ability to properly look up words I don't know, and even some of the grammar is different because of it.

>>19317785
Manga isn't reading, and that isn't just a meme. The slang/grammar patterns seen in manga will fuck your life up, and there's not enough of it there to help you get good at it.

NHK EASY news is your best bet for the moment.

>>19317747
?

is using yomichan cheating

>>19317806
Wrong, you need to start somewhere and manga is a good way to get you used to kana and some useful kanji. It's nowhere remotely nearly as intensive as anything more text-based but it's more motivating for beginners to start with manga since you can actually finish a volume in an amount of time that doesn't just motivate you to quit asap. With LNs you'll probably give up after trying to wrestle through even a single chapter in a week. Also imo mining is more efficient with manga because you can associate new words with visual cues, but that may just be me. Eventually you do have to move on to things without furigana and images though, because they become crutches that slow down learning.

Also the 'slang' is a meme, particularly that in Yotsubato is just things like common contractions (like 'can't' vs 'can not' in English), you'll need to get used to it anyways if you want to ever read Japanese novels. It might help to read the sentences out loud as this will make it easier to recognize the similarities between these constructs and the ones you've learned about in grammar guides.

NHK EASY is decent but I always feel like the amount of articles I get per day is kind of low. Also, it won't get you used to many of the more complicated grammatical structures as it's all very descriptive and samey writing.

>>19317785
Try Ika Musume maybe? I think it has less 'slangy' constructs but again, Yotsubato isn't slang or dialect. It's just speech in text form.

>>19317919
let me clarify, i'm using it to read VNs, WNs and LNs and I store the words i dont recognize into anki. When I have time I try to recognize the words. it's just that, the words i store are so specific I doubt i'll remember them when I see them occurring again in the far future.

>>19317897
れうど

rikaisama for life

Is this scientific?

If I see 射精る, is that supposed to be read as でる, with 射精 replacing 出 for lewd effect?

>>19307123
http://yourei.jp/

>>19317999
sounds like bs to me

>>19318026
yes

>>19318026
れうど！れうど！

Yeah, everything seems to be in order.

I'm going to do RTK, wish me luck.

ティッシュと

バナナかってくる

ばんごはん

>>19317785
>The slang and dialect are really hurting my ability to properly look up words I don't know, and even some of the grammar is different because of it.
If you want to feel some level of accomplishment, read some NHK easy news articles. They are necessarily devoid of slang, but do keep in mind, we both know you didn't come here to learn how to read the news.
The slang and contractions IS the language.

>>19317999
yeah this is just bullshit

I just bought this, gonna mine it for sentences and cute 2D girls.

Why am I learning Japanese? I just realized all interesting manga that I want to read are translated!

>>19317194
It just makes kanji that I'm already familiar with even more familiar. None of new complicated kanji latches on my mind besides some cool one like 撃

>>19318175
Isn't this futa?

>>19318176
To brag to your weeb friends of course.

>>19318176
hentai ofcourse

>>19318202
Oh i dunno I just read H-game and VN so I bought it... it was only $7

>>19318176
Bye then.

Anyone knows of an app similar to "Study Kanji"? I like you because of all the information on readings, radicals, vocabulary and the drawing function. But only 80 characters are available for free for "learning mode" and of course that sucks.
I like to study kanji during these empty moments at work and during comutes etc.

>>19318202
にくまんたべたい

なつだけど

How come all these characters have pet bottles? Isn't that a weird kind of inanimate pet?

まんこたべたい
夏だから

>>19318176
>>19317610
Woah there hold on a second buddy.
Manga isn't reading.
>>19317806
Not all manga are the same and even if yotsubato does have some stuff that would trip up beginners pretty much everything about it has been asked before so you can get good explanations if you look stuff up like the dreaded おいといて and you have to learn them sooner or later anyway.
>Also the 'slang' is a meme, particularly that in Yotsubato is just things like common contractions (like 'can't' vs 'can not' in English)

>>19317670
Another anon not learning japanese

YO TSUBA TO

means

HEY! WITH SALIVA

ぼくはあなたを愛する！
あなたはぼくを愛するか？

僕という人大嫌いだ

書くの練習に必要があるの？
ここでそんなこともいい？

please no

おはようございます我が出来ない友達よ

kanji isn't writing.

余談ですがわたしは一人称が「ボク」の女性に、「この豚が」と呼ばれるとうれしいです。

>>19318514
neither is alphabet

Kotae wa kokoro naka ni

rtk or bust

>>19317194
What if I do like 200 words in Core while reading?

epic and upboated

>>19317675
This post brought a tear to my eye. We need more people like you.

W-Who want to study with me while holding hands?

>>19318702
どうも

Are there any nice Japanese-language games I can put on my smartphone and for which the .apk isn't too hard to find? What do the nips play?

>>19318768
you are cute...

>>19318781
nips play monster strike, puzzle and dragons, granblue fantasy.

>>19318812
You've been living under a rock for a few years, I see.

>>19317806
>The slang/grammar patterns seen in manga will fuck your life up, and there's not enough of it there to help you get good at it.
yotsubato was my first japanese material other than a few thousand hours of english subbed anime and skimming tae kim, and it was almost never an issue after one volume, maybe two

>>19318845
nips still play these games nigga, i dont know what you are talking about. granblue commercials are all over the tv

>>19318856
There are many other games that are more important and more widely played now.

what's the pitch accent of 模擬?
daijirin says [1]
forvo and yomichan pronounce [2]

>pitch accent

>accent pitch

>>19318937
pitch accent is 1, binding form is C3 by unidic's classifications

>>19318937
>words only have one pronunciation
imagine being this dumb

>>19318940
>>19318943
>reading text in his mind with the wrong pitch accent

>words
imagine being this dumb

>>19318981
Honestly I just 平板 over everything that isn't obvious from watching anime.

>>19318966
they have though

Fun fact を gives a different pitch accent than other case particles when it's emphatic.

>>19318987
No they don't. You should know that from English at least. Language isn't some robotic system where everything follows your dictionary to the letter.

>>19318987
you don't know japanese

新しいものを開発する can be pronounced in like three different ways depending on what it means in context.

>>19318985
it's easy to pick up if you just take the time to add the right pronunciation on you cards, but also easy to develop bad habits if you are lazy about it
I wish I did it for english, my pronunciation is terrible and will likely still be for many years

>>19319008
Just listen more. Prosody is not well-enough understood to study more than the basics in a deliberate way.

Prosody 101 (language-general)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5RWzBRg6rU#t=6m15s
6m15s

that voice sounds like a man trying to pretend to be a woman

it's just a dude

>>19318983
if it's pronounced differently then it's another word.

words are a spook

>>19319037
Wrong

>>19319041
疲労
拾う
披露

>>19319047
you don't know how logic works do you
you need to show that there are no counterexamples, not that there are examples

Why the fuck would anyone care about speaking Japanese?

>>19319085
why the fuck would anyone care about reading eroge

Why the fuck would anyone care?

>>19319085
Normalfags that will soon give up

Why the fuck?

Does the audio part of creating cards with yomi actually work for anyone? I'm struggling to remember my mined words because I can't get the audio to work.

>>19319096
t. suicidal turboweeb

>>19318995
頑張っちゃえ

>>19319129

>>19318175
yo dude good shit

thats a healthy young mans game right there

外人ハザード。
気を付けて下さい。

Studying pitch accent is for retards.
Just pick it up naturally from anime.

studying pitch accent is for retards indeed but the second line is not agreeable

I have mature cards but its not showing up here?

>>19319305
don't study, feel

>when you feel depressed about forgetting 10-20 cards in your 130 review stack that you procrastinate and take 2 hours to finish the reviews

>>19319318
Why?

because its anime

dont talk like the anime character

talk like real people if youre going to talk

Who cares about talking like an anime character if the only interaction you have with the language is anime.

then who cares about you

>>19319345
are you using anki or is anki using you
stop feeling depressed about a tool and take control of your life

first book i'll read now that i feel confident
thanks for all the help

I care about me

>>19319359
who cares about pitch accent if the only interaction you have with the language is anime

>>19319322
There are mature cards in your deck but they haven't come up for review yet since becoming mature.

Exactly.

>>19319296
What's the one next to the 'don't touch the geisha' one? No leaning on the fences?

>>19319296
fuck gaijin

妹の穴を見ながらうんこ出ちゃった。
美味しそうー

よせ

Here is an exercise, fill in the blanks:

I want to fuck _________

your parents

>>19319511
と思います

>>19319511
妹

>>19319511
ようバディ

>>19319511
小五

>>19319511
姉

>>19319599
Finally an intelligent post.

>>19319511
母

>>19319599
is this kanji elder sister

>>19319729
this word is あね

>>19319729
No, it means whore. You should be able to tell by the radicals.

>>19319832
rtk says woman and market combine to mean elder sister.

>>19319729
Are you blind? It says woman and market. You can interpret it, the woman offering herself on the market. It is indeed the town whore, did you really do RTK? Like this you will never real Japanese.

>>19319851
but RTK says the two kanji together should be associated with the keyword "elder sister"

>>19319838
It also means city. City + woman -> town bicycle(whore).

>>19319867
What? It must be a mistake. How does that make any sense?

why is everyone trolling this dude it's a city woman, like a woman that grew up in an urban environment instead of rural

fuck you man don't ruin the fun

Don't you know that your elder sister is the one gets sent to the market to do the shopping? Where were you retards raised?

don't worry, I know to trust Heisig over a bunch of retards on DJT. so I wasn't fooled.

>>19319867
>the two kanji together
禾ムは夕ト王丶囗人です。でも、日本言五口が上手。

>>19319935
i'm copying this to a text file so that i can respond to you in a year when i learn japanese (still doing rtk)

you would've given up long before

>>19320012
if i have the patience to get through RTK then struggling through japanese will be easy

Here's your kanji bro 兕

you think doing rtk is the hard part? lol

youre gonna be fucked like every other retard baby when someone isnt telling you what to do anymore and you have to be responsible for yourself

"good luck cunt"

>>19320083
nuh uh i already know what to do because matt and DJT said to learn/reference tae kim while trying to read native material. and mine.

Doing RTK only takes two weeks, it isn't hard at all.

yeah have fun with that

>>19320092
and yea RTK is definitely the hard part because it's the most boring and disconnected part of the process.

The hard part is realizing not to listen to people who didn't actually learn Japanese in a reasonable amount of time and are bullshitting when they tell you to do RTK from front to back before doing anything else.

Can you guys reply properly so you get filtered?

welcome to /jp/ dude

>>19320083
Not that guy, but I haven't been to /djt/ in 3 months. Thank you for this post. It assures me that I'm not missing anything, and motivates me to stay away for longer next time.

this guy can learn nihongo ↑

>/djt/

>>19320114
normally i'd say good for you i hope you learn nihongo
but if you think this post is the bad part of djt then you're probably not learning nihongo even if you stay away from the dekinai trap

ＭＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＭ

Literally all you have to do in order to learn Japanese in a reasonable amount of time is read native material for a few hours each day, how could anyone fuck that up?

Get your beginner's materials, start reading, and don't look back at DJT. There are too many people here who give advice despite not having started actually learning Japanese.

i read it as he assumed everyones still doing the same retarded shit as always and theres nothing here thats going to be useful to him

and hed be right

>>19320180
>how could anyone fuck that up?
stay a while and listen, you're in for a trip

Literally all you need to do in order to learn Japanese is to taberu your kawaii imouto's oishii unko

gross but true

how is it gross lol

unko means poop you know

your point

>>19320110
>who didn't actually learn Japanese in a reasonable amount of time
khatz did

>>19320296
lol

im gonna give you 2 epic pieces of wisdom to help you in life generally

dont talk like the anime character

dont eat poop

thats it dude thank me later

>>19320300
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/pure-pwnage-how-fluent-was-i-after-18-months/

>>19320296
who?

>talking

>>19320308
most of those points aren't proof of "actually learning japanese" and half of the ones that could be proof could also just be him being treated well for being a black foreigner

>>19320315
isolated demands for rigor.

>Many people assumed (and continue to assume) that I had either been raised in Japan or lived hear for 10+ years.
yeah no

>>19320324
not isolated try again

>>19320324
That still leaves several points that are good proof of actually learning Japanese. He's just pointing out that khatz is padding the list with stuff that doesn't actually mattter.

>>19320327
youre just mad no one will ever think youre japanese

Don't take people who are trying to sell you something at their word.

no dude its customary to believe everything you read on the internet in 2018

I don't know, khatz sounds very convincing. He's black too.

^^^isolated demands for rigor.

he does sound convincing in that one video

guess you gotta pay him

>>19320327
youre just mad you can't eat ケーキ with お箸

I've decided I'm not going to listen to raw audio today because I've been doing it for a month and it still sounds like gibberish because I haven't learned vocab.

reasonable theory that a ton of input leads to language proficiency + video evidence of their proficiency = reasonable assumption they're telling the truth about reaching high levels of proficiency even if they didn't record it at the time.

>>19320427
be careful dude making your own decisions based on your experience is dangerous you'd be better off listening to a self-proclaimed expert who endorses untested methods as if all of his friends who studied for 2 years before trying them are a valid anecdotes

>>19320434
be careful about misinterpreting "reasonable" as "correct"

>>19320447
it's not an important distinction in practice.

>>19320462
now that's not even a reasonable assumption

for the love of god just press this mother fucker

Is there any way to learn nippon without studying? idk like wire me with a computer than can transfer knowledge or something?

you dont have to study if you get in the shit >>19317204

>>19320509
how many hours of rap is equivalent to 10000 hours of anime, i'm wondering if it's a time saver

>>19320522
if youre gonna look at it that way decide for yourself

>>19320522
just kys, that would be a time saver for you

hey guys i got the nihongo right in here

all you have to do is open it

>constantly arguing about the efficiency of mattjatt
>can't discuss the efficiency of based methods

efficiency isnt a discussion this thread should be having since nobody has done it right the first time to begin with

>>19320587
wrong. i'm following the ajatt timeline to a t

えらいね : )

I want to learn nihon so i can read JoJo from beginning to end

>>19320624
>KanjiDamage

i wish i was reading jojos instead of summer pockets rn

>>19320587
what the fuck are you talking about
i learned kana 10 years ago and i've done 4 different language learning apps, half of kklc, half of rtk, half of kanjidamage, 1200 words of core, i mined a vn frequency list and i learned a word for every kanji i know, i'm currently finishing core10k and in 2 years i'll be ready to read
i'm sorry that you're jealous because you fucked up

Why isn't djt library getting updated? are there other places to get LNs in mobi or epub format?

>>19319393
>No leaning on the fences
Yes. They don't accept that shit in Japan.

>>19320631
hanashi demo shouya? ...i wish i know nip

>2 years
somehow i doubt you've learned japanese so quickly that you'll be able to begin reading in just another 2 years. post some video proof of you going through these apps or i call bullshit. you fucking scam artist.

>>19320653
truly 恐ろしい

>>19320653
/djt/'s final boss

>>19319296
if you walk around eating a giant burger and holding a selfie stick at the same time youll actually be shot by japanese keisatu (polize)

>>19320669

>>19320735
fuck you slut

So is ankiweb down for everyone else. It had to happen on the one day I did reviews on my phone and now it won't sync to desktop.

Honestly, this thread is fucking bullshit. I wish you guys could talk about Japanese for once, about grammar, some complicated sentence or media to consume. Instead it's a constant stream of unfunny shitposts by people who know no Japanese or waste of space posts by people who don't read the guide. This goes to 90% of the people who posted in this thread, what the FUCK are you doing here?

and if its not that its whining posts like this guy ↑

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4

Does anybody seriously believe natives confuse this man for another native when speaking over the phone?

yes

easily

>>19320812
Most of the posters here are trying to learn, if i can read/speak japanese why would i waste my time in this thread?

>>19320812
亡くなったり昏睡したりしない限り、時間ほど人に平等かつ継続的に供与される天然資源はないでしょう。
そして時間ほど活用の巧拙が人によって浮き出る分野もないように思います。
その基準でいえば、わたしは下手な方だという自覚があります。
おじいさんは朝も夜も早いため、傍目にも生活のリズムは安定している感がありますが、わたしのそれはランダム処理と化していて、たとえば午前中に起床することに対し毎度成否判定が発生している部分などで顕著だと思うのです。
こんな時代でも目覚まし時計というものは存在しますが、わたしにはさほどの効果は見られません。

Here ya go, 分析 that shit.

>>19320812
>>19320835
When you feel a nice big shit comin this is the best place to dump it dont you think

>>19320811
synced a few minutes ago with no problems

>>19320812
I'm still doing RTK so why the fuck would I post about grammar or anything like that you elitist piece of shit?

>>19320847
長すぎ読んでないっす

>>19320812
i'll let you in on a secret
i try to be helpful to people who seem to have read the guide and post honest questions that i may be able to assist with
i exchange some bantz and shitpost a bit when the thread is a shitshow

>>19320821
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdqJAYrvfI

>>19320878
i like that guy but has he ever been genuinely harsh on anyone before? kind of feels like 日本語が上手！

>>19320821
Over the phone? Abolutely.

>>19320869
ここだけの話：

そんなの誰も気にしないっすよ

>>19320851
Sometimes you just can't help it.

>>19320847
嗚呼ロミオ様

>>19320899
hes absolutely like that but at the same time djt is the polar opposite usually just making shit up because they have no actual experience in anything and just have a twisted and distorted view and understanding

you should trust the nice nihonjim because if hes happy then youre doing ok

>>19320944
he focuses on accent and prosody instead of how the individual sounds come out

>>19320944
regardless i'm not one of the people who says that they're bad at japanese, i just think that that doesn't necessarily mean their advice is as great as they think it is, even if there are definitely good things within it. and i think it's fine if you decide to listen to them as long as you don't start arguments about how great of a method it is.

>>19320811
Ok this was just a problem with my internet, pls ignore.

>the method of massive input mixed with idiosyncrasies like passively listening to content you already understand isn't as great as they think it is
what can even be criticized about it besides it being too much effort. be honest and just admit that ajatt is great if you can actually stick to it.

test

if you can stick to ajatt then you can stick to pure input without any of the other bullshit ajatt peddles too

you can learn nihongo without someone telling you how

I can't believe people unironically think it's harder to consume porn and games in Japanese than it is to go through textbooks or do any other kind of Japanese learning that doesn't actually work.

Matt only reads and active listens for two hours each per day. AJATT is not high effort at all.

The mistake you made was assuming that "AJATT" means "read and listen for X hours a day". It means so much more.

>>19321050
i think matt says you need to do 2 hours minimum of each but that personally he thinks you should read and active listen 4 hours each.

>>19321052
>ugh so much more
like what? sentence mining and passively listening to audio all day that you're already familiar with? that's basically still just listening and reading all day.

the state of this thread
lmao

>>19321067
Yeah that and also it's not.

>>19319933

to reiterate, AJATT isn't massive input. it's reading and listening a lot every day. you also have a mining deck in anki. some of your listening will be passive, with some of that passive audio consisting of stuff you've actively listened to.

damn. i can't believe people lie and claim AJATT is massive input. there's actually so much more than that.

>>19321151
a sentence mining deck to be specific

I thought ajatt was a cult.

>>19321156
mining sentences instead of words? and you're reading and listening for the rest of the day? i can't even wrap my head around it. it's just so much more than massive input.

The fact that AJATT guides tell you what to do after you start reading and listening is enough to make it impossible to say that it's just X amount of reading and listening.

/r/learnjapanese seems to be big on AJATT, that's the main reason I think it must be a scam of some kind.

>>19321186
they hate AJATT, khatz, and matt. they also dislike RTK and claim WaniKani and KKLC are better.

>>19321195
kklc is better but wanikani is not
let it be known: ajatt is saying that kklc is better than rtk

Is there any way I can hide these?

>>19321201
khatz and matt both recommend RTK and matt has explicitly disavowed KKLC.

>>19321203
just close the thread theres nothing useful here

though in about 10 more hours i might be able to tell you just how bad summer pockets truly is

>>19321205
but ajatt is whatever I say it is because ajatt isn't a fixed thing

>>19321205
Honestly anon has more say about AJATT than Matt does. Matt didn't start with AJATT so yeah.

>>19321206
Sorry, I meant to post a screenshot.
I feel like these things are kind of annoying so I wanted to hide them completely.

>>19321216
you dont grow into a well rounded strong man if you turn away from everything you dont like

>>19321209
oh then i say ajatt is so much more than mass input
>>19321211
matt only knows how effective ajatt is because he spent a year or two making no progress using shit like lazykanji.

>>19321216
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>>19321234
that was after he started ajatt

>>19321216
There's a setting in 4chan x that allows you to hide stubs.

Guys...

guys

Guys.

I have the best ide

guys listen

I have the best idea ever

guys

I'll put SENTENCES


guys

sentences

I'll put SENTENCES
guys listen here

I'll put SENTENCES... in my ANKI deck.

>>19321242

>>19321239
oh yea you're right mb

>>19321242

>>19321237
>>19321241
Thank you.

Guys...

guys

Guys.

I have the best ide

guys listen

I have the best idea ever

guys

I'll put PISS


guys

piss

I'll put PISS
guys listen here

I'll put PISS... in my WATER gallon.

yes ha haha YES

>>19321242
What's the problem? When I mine a word, rikai also records the sentence it comes with. I rarely look at them, but sometimes it helps remember the meaning of a word.

>>19321242
It's hilarious this balding piss jug thinks that listening to and reading Japanese all day while spending an hour or two in Anki reviewing mined sentences - which I find to be less effective than mining words - will help people quickly gain proficiency in Japanese. Scam artist fuck. He's lying through his teeth. There's no way this method would work.

>>19321272
sentences are useful for grammar and remembering words that are used in a lot of ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA12D91dpD4

>>19321288
ah yes thats the stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA12D91dpD4#t=79

piss in that jug you bad boy

>>19321288
wtf why does he keep cutting his hair shorter
It only makes the baldness worse

I'M LOSING IT, BROTHAAAAA

>talking to attractive female friend
>her: whatd you do today?
>me: oh i racked up the high score on my japanese flashcards
>her: *removes clothes and underwear*

>>19321339
I wish I wasn't so fucking dumb. I only get like 130 cards done in that time.

>>19321353

every time

>>19321353
whoops wrong site, I meant to post this on reddit sorry guys. how do i delete posts?

>>19321353
sorry, I don't touch white pigs.

>>19321363
alt f4 or actually in your case apple q

>>19321339
lmao I was studying more than 1300 cards a day in anki when I finally quit.

>>19321368
And in your case, hold the button on the side down for three seconds

>>19321355
How long have you been at it? How many reviews do you have in a day? I remember when it used to take me 90 minutes to do 180 reviews or so, but I got more efficient over time.
>>19321370
Thankfully I've only got three more days of new cards to add and I'll be done with Core 10k, and then I'll take a break from new cards for a month while I'm on vacation in Japan. When I get back I'll begin adding cards from the mining deck I've built up over the past year or so.

>>19321380
that just makes this pink capsule currently inside my butt vibrate

>>19321380
In your case, place a gun to your temple and pull the trigger

>>19321392
Only been at it a month. I have between 130 and 180 per day. Depends on how many times I hit "again" the previous day.

>>19321397
DONT DO THIS!!!!!

>>19321397

its been a minute but uh

みんなゲンキ?

this isn't a chat room

>>19321402
Yeah, don't sweat it for now.

@19321454

its whatever you want it to be

its just straight up fuckin gay like わたし

you dropped your wa haha

>>19321496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J-DqqYk-_4#t=265

I used to follow Matt, but damn I realised he's a scumbag. I guess he has it too good now. The wonders of capitalism...

>>19321151
i'd assumed you were baiting for a few hours and ignored you but now you've got me fucked up, could he be for real? either way keep up the good work to be honest.

fight the good fight my retarded brother in red

white dude callin other ppl gaijin lmao

>>19321508
i saw that and i thought it was really cute
i never followed his advice but i thought he said more right than wrong and was interested in checking out what he had to say because of that, but now i think he's a dick

Why does the 溢 kanji look different on my phone vs my pc? Is there some place where I can find more info about it? Neither Jisho nor KanjiDamage says anything about this.

>>19321532
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%BA%A2
fix your font it's not japanese

>>19321527
look how much he gets talked about in this thread alone. imagine how many people must be messaging him with basic questions. he must be sick of people asking "how do I learn kanji" when he already has a video

>>19321542
there's a difference between "please don't dm me questions" and "if you want any chance of a response pay up boy"

>>19321542
is saying basically
>talk to me if you have money or fuck off
a solution though?

>>19321508
how does that make him a scumbag? notice how many lazy questions get asked in this thread and imagine one individual gets that x100.

stop ripping on the guy cause he tries to make a little dosh on the side piss jugs and hair transplants dont come cheap ya know

>>19321532
A lot of Kanji haven't been modernized, there is a few radical variation in Kanji that have been added to the 常用 list earlier and Kanji that haven't been added or were only added recently. Japanese has the character 益 which seemingly is the simplified right side element of 溢 but officially it's still 溢 so that's what you will see. Seems China has the same simplification so it may indeed be a Chinese font you are using.

>>19321555
you know what you don't have to have piss jugs and hair transplants to have a fulfilled life and i can judge his gratuitous spending habits if i please

Why is making a sentence card for each sentence of Tae Kim's grammar guide a bad idea?

>>19321594
because tae kim's example sentences are often very unnatural japanese that only serve to demonstrate a point and you should not be looking at a bunch of them daily for a month or so

>>19321599
>that only serve to demonstrate a point
that's the point of mining them. oh no i mined unnatural sentences for a month now i can't take what i learned about basic grammar and apply it to natural japanese matt ruined me!!!!

>>19321599
what did Matt try to accomplish with recommending doing that then?

>>19321594
if you can't use the gumball in your head to figure it out on your own you're not gonna be able to learn japanese

>>19321614
reviewing the same example dozens of times isn't a very effective way to get grammar down
>>19321615
apply flashcards to grammar, after all he is the king of sentence cards. the logic isn't unintuitive but he has misconceptions on efficiency and efficacy

the random anon is much more fluent than piss jug. anon even has video evidence. let's see it anon.

>>19321687
I'm still on kana. sorry to disappoint you

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

>>19321687
what's up with the piss jug meme

forced jamal meme #1153

>>19321718
it all started with a boy and his jug

>>19321687
joke's on you, 僕はまあ様

>>19321536
It's not Japanese? I saw it in this manga: https://exhentai.org/g/830553/79a92dd045/

>>19321560
The way it looks in my phone is as if there was two 八 radicals on top of each other with a 一 between them and then 皿 below everything, and water on the left. I'm trying to get a screenshot, but it's not working for some reason.

>>19321740
>僕
use this one more time and see what happens

>>19321741
thats not a manga thats a panda

why is the top box in 過 backwards from the way rtk taught me? did rtk lie to me?

>>19321741
You are retarded. You can neither make a screenshot nor link to the page you saw it on in a 150 page work. You expect us to go through it searching for the Kanji you saw? Fuck off.

>>19321750
ignore the delusional panda posters. they look at images of pandas so long they actually start to think they're looking at something else.

>>19321741
Japanese fonts often replace gay ass traditional forms with sexy 新字体

>>19321741
could be extended shinjitai which is essentially unofficial simplifications that improve consistency with officially simplified kanji, it's not standard though as far as i'm aware. how it looks on your phone is official, and the other form makes it consistent with 益

>>19321760
nobody is expecting anything from you, ask your parents

>>19321760
>You can neither make a screenshot

It used to be Volume Key + Power Key, but something must have changed and I'm figuring it out. I'm using Lineage OS.

>nor link to the page you saw it on in a 150 page work

I'm still looking for it. Calm down dude.

>>19321766
>>19321791
Had never heard of 新字体. I'm going to read on it, thanks.

>>19321805
There are barely any buttons on a phone if you cannot figure out screenshot through trial and error, than you can not learn japanese.

>>19321614
>don't force output too early because you'll form bad habits
>but drilling unnatural sentences from textbooks in your first month of comprehensible exposure to Japanese is fine
why does anyone take this clown seriously?

whats wrong with textbook nihongo

its a good baseline which is very functional and usable in all types of communication as a gaijin

and its also the foundation you need to grow into real nihongo as a gaijin living outside of japan

>>19321805
Here's the page (bottom panel):
https://exhentai.org/s/cd4688553e/830553-92

>>19321843
Literally nothing. "Just don't get stuck on one thing, expand your knowledge, read a lot of diverse stuff, etc." is the probably the general sentiment behind the hate. It seems like a lot of learners are bad at learning and need to be told that for something like language learning doing X is the best way to get better at X and everything else is supplement.

>>19321843

Anyone here got experience with ordering download codes for games on amazon.co.jp?

It worked without a problem before but on my latest purchase it's been stuck at "pending verification" for over a day now. (The page told me it could take up to 4 hours.)

I wonder why is Imabi never mentioned here? is it just shit and inferior to Tae Kim? is it too long?

resist the urge boys youre better than this

>>19321883
It's badly written and takes way too much text to explain very simple grammatical patterns. Some of the stuff in the very most advanced sections is useful, but that's about it.

。。。嫌悪の対象とはなり得ない。ああそうだともーー竜児にはわかる。。。
What does とも mean here?

>>19321883
nobody here has the minimum iq requirement to understand it

>>19321891
it means what と and も mean

>>19321891
友

>>19321891
Careful, this is actually an elaborately designed "pull out the sub-N3s" post.

>>19321829
can you explain how poor output teaching bad habits that stick is analogous to poor input teaching bad habits that won't stick? sorry it's just that you've made this retarded comparison several times now and i'm waiting for your explanation (i know you don't have one).

>>19321896
fuck

>>19321916
They do stick though, why wouldn't they? That's why ESLs still use "an European" incorrectly. They drill a misleading grammar rule at the beginning of their English education (that "an" is always used before a vowel), it sticks, and tens of thousands of hours worth of natural input still doesn't correct it. Tae Kim is also filled with simplified and misleading information that is best not drilled so early on.

>>19321891
>だとも

isnt it way more common that they just say "a" for everything

Anyone read that Senbonzakura Miku novel? Is it any good?

>>19321951

>>19321825
to my understanding 新字体 means official, extended shinjitai or 拡張新字体 means unofficial

>>19321942
This is very true. Even Sakubi has misleading/oversimplified stuff in it. The thing about Tae Kim and Sakubi is that they both tell you you're not supposed to memorize them, that you're supposed to learn from reading. (Tae Kim is less heavy-handed about this than Sakubi, but it does indeed say it.)

>>19321952
>"an European": About 3,210,000 results
>"a European": About 33,200,000 results
Do a google search yourself and see what kind of otherwise well-written articles by educated ESLs this incorrect usage of "an" is found in. This is the only argument necessary against drilling textbooks like a retard.

>>19321942
I used to get that wrong but it was because I thought yuropean was pronounce eh-u-ropean
it's not really a grammar rule issue but more like a pronunciation issue

>>19321981
its not an argument im just saying i listen to people talk a lot and they say just never say an and say a always

>>19321843
the problem with textbooks has little to do with the japanese that is in them

>>19321984
>because I thought yuropean was pronounce eh-u-ropean
I don't think I've ever heard a non Hispanic pronounce it like that here in America. Are you in Canada or something?

HOW LONG did it take you to go through Tae Kim's, /djt/? I want to feel like shit for "reading" it for months now. I was rereading Basics and Essentials like 3 or 4 times, now I just decided to go through it once and for all and then eventually refer to it.

>>19321984
What about "an useful"?
>About 1,210,000 results

>>19321942
>That's why ESLs still use "an European" incorrectly
never look up a grammar rule ever because you'll suddenly apply it in all situations forever and ever. wow thanks for the insight. basically you're bitching about someone who isn't getting enough input so that they acquire the actual rule, but piss jug's method involves mass input so i guess that's a non-issue.

>>19322004
I read it for like a week or two then dropped it because I realized I already knew everything else in it because of reading from manga.

>>19321883
>>19321889
My amateur opinion is that by the time the level of depth in imabi is useful to me, I'll just read about Japanese in Japanese anyway. A couple sections are okay but going through the whole thing seems like way too big of a time commitment.

>>19322010
even the stuff from the Advanced section?

>>19322004
Are you retarded? Stop reading it NOW. Tae Kim's guide teaches you bad habits. It's best to jump into the language and never consult a grammar guide or you'll be like ESLs who can't distinguish a/an.

>>19322017
Yeah, except like maybe a couple of the things from the very last two lessons, which aren't anywhere near as common as a bunch of stuff that TK is missing altogether. This was forever ago btw.

>>19322006
I don't think I've ever gotten that wrong, since the "U" in english is naturally pronounced like that
it's just that the "Eu" in european confused me

>>19321891
In this case it's kind of like もちろん except it comes at the end of the sentence.

>>19322004
>now I just decided to go through it once and for all and then eventually refer to it.
this is what you're supposed to do, i did it in i think two weeks and i thought i did it slow
also consider referring to hgjp or dojg instead but if you think you know where to look in tk then it's okay early on

>>19322018
grammar book that explained that "a" is used before a consontant (in pronunciation) was sufficient for me to know the difference
so yeah, even a book can teach you that

>>19321891
http://anime.geocities.jp/head_jockaa/realjp/tomo.html
Petition to scrap the whole djt site and replace with a simple HTML page that says "If it exists, you can Google it"

>>19322004
I like how you can immediately recognise this as a shitpost because he said /djt/

>>19322008
No, just don't drill it from the first month like a retard. These people are getting enough input, the wrong grammar just sticks in them anyway. Look it up yourself, do a google search for "an European" and see what kind of well-written articles come up. These ESLs have clearly had tens of thousands of hours of English input, it didn't do shit. They could have saved themselves sounding like retards by simply not drilling misleading grammar rules in their first month.

>>19322018
making cards out of unnatural textbook sentences != reading through a grammar guide

>>19322028
Empirical research proves you wrong:
>>19322006
>>19321981
"Learning" grammar rules doesn't help you one bit. It just fucks you in the long run because you apply top-down rules in situations they don't apply. Languages naturally have many, many exceptions to these rules. This is why consulting a grammar guide is retarded, much less mining it for sentences. Not even months of natural input can save you from it.

>>19322040
>These ESLs have clearly had tens of thousands of hours of English input
Evidence?
>making cards out of unnatural textbook sentences != reading through a grammar guide
Can you explain the difference? Either way you're reinforcing bad habits. In the former case you're just better remembering the rules and further reinforcing them, which will destroy your long term ability to consume or even output.

consult a grammar guide after you get a japanese girlfriend and through your conversing in nihongo win over her oniisama and her oyas and not a minute before

i go thru Tae Kim's for 2 things:
1) to kinda understand what particular grammar does
2) to know there's such a grammar so i can get back to it if i need help

>>19322050
The purpose of a well-written grammar guide is to tell people what the really common grammar patterns sorta mean. You're not supposed to memorize them and you're not supposed to use them for production. Even Tae Kim says this.

>>19322042
>Empirical research proves you wrong
how did you determine that your examples are from people who read a grammar book in the first place
>"Learning" grammar rules doesn't help you one bit. It just fucks you in the long run because you apply top-down rules in situations they don't apply.
i agree with this but the same argument could be applied, oh man there are people who fuck up a/an i bet they didn't read a grammar book, empirical research proves it
>This is why consulting a grammar guide is retarded
while you shouldn't memorize grammar rules, this is ridiculous paranoia

モキュ！

>>19322061
You probably already know this but you appear to be one of the few people here with any mental capacity whatsoever.

>>19322061
>is to tell people what the really common grammar patterns sorta mean
That's the point of mining TK sentences. Obviously you're not supposed to think "this is a rule that should be strictly adhered to, and this is natural Japanese." You're just supposed to understand it and then move on. But that logic doesn't actually work, because if you mine TK your brain will automatically think these are hard set rules and your impression of these rules will never change. Not even with 8 hours of daily input of natural Japanese over the next 2 years.

>you're not supposed to use them for production
Yes of course. But like you said, ESLs confuse a/an because they strictly adhere to vague rules. The only difference between consulting TK and mining TK is that the strict rules you're adhering to will wear off quicker if you're merely consulting. If I had to guess, if you mine TK you'll reinforce bad habits for the next decade. If you read TK you'll reinforce bad habits for the next 5 years. Either way you're doing something inadvisable.

>>19322061
tyler kim does sort of a good job at telling you what stuff sort of means as well its sort of too bad he hasnt written more

>>19322081
You're like 70~80% of the way to a worldview that makes sense. Keep spinning that drill.

>>19322081
>But that logic doesn't actually work, because if you mine TK your brain will automatically think these are hard set rules
this is true
>and your impression of these rules will never change. Not even with 8 hours of daily input of natural Japanese over the next 2 years.
this is false
the question of whether or not to review TK cards for a month isn't if it will ruin your brain for life, it's whether it is worth your time at all, which it is not

>>19322090
It's really fun destroying your retarded argument against sentence mining a grammar guide. lol

>>19322096
the post he responded to was against sentence mining though
>If I had to guess, if you mine TK you'll reinforce bad habits for the next decade. If you read TK you'll reinforce bad habits for the next 5 years.

>>19322095
>isn't if it will ruin your brain for life,
The a/an empirical research proves you wrong.

seriously though why do you guys always prefer to retreat to this shit as opposed to wading into the depths of nihongo

>>19322010
Cool, manga isn't reading though.

>>19322117
That's funny, I don't think I said anything about reading manga. Did you misread "reading from manga"?

>>19322120
What did you mean by reading from manga?

>>19322101
can we make discussing a/an a bannable offense because it really brings out the dumbest people alive

>>19322113
small brains would rather argue over superficial shit than work hard to attain true knowledge

>>19322130
you laugh now but when i start learning japanese in 3 years i'll fucking blaze right past you by using the optimal shortcuts you can't even dream of

>>19322128
Reading the text in manga while consuming the manga.

JUST WAIT YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS, GIVE ME ONE FUCKING YEAR AND I WILL COMEBACK HERE AND POST 2000 WORDS OF NIHON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU JUST STAY HERE AND KEEP ON SHITPOSTING.

bad post^

>>19322101
It seems to me to be incredibly easy to fix mistakes, at least if you have any level of proficiency. In my teens there were a few words that I spelled incorrectly on a regular basis for years, I was corrected one or two times, I slipped up 3-5 times in the next week and then I never made the mistake again. This also matches my experience in my hobbies and fields of interest, that you can do something wrong weeks, months, years, learn what you did wrong, and quickly fix it. Care to argue why this isn't possible in a foreign language?

>>19322151
Gotcha my bad, was a strange way of wording it.

>>19322174
this whole thread is bad faggot, i know and your shitty posts...you fucking live in these threads

>>19322179
Why fix mistakes when you can just not memorize misleading grammar rules and instead acquire the language naturally? But if you want to be studying grammar ten years in and always be conscious of correcting your bad habits then go right ahead.

>>19322100
When you take the argument:
>memorizing a grammar guide (aka memorizing some of its vocab and understanding its rules so you can actually understand what's going on) is detrimental to long term understanding
to its logical conclusion, you could say understanding a grammar guide in any capacity is proportionally detrimental to long term understanding. His go to example is ESLs misunderstanding when to use a/an. But that has to do with production. Why does he justify his assertion that sentence mining an incredibly basic grammar guide meant to get you on your feet so that you can understand real Japanese and learn the real grammar that way is bad based on ESLs outputting poorly through inaccurate grammar filters? Those people clearly don't have an intuitive sense for what's correct even though it would be incredibly easy to fix. You're not supposed to be outputting shit based on TK's guide. What is this retard even saying?

l( . ) ( . )k at this shit

>>19322196
I'm not defending grammar cards, I think they're a complete waste of time. I just think that the idea that it will fuck you up for life is ridiculous. I'm not conscious of the mistakes that I used to make. I just don't make them. I've replaced the subconscious knowledge, and to my recollection, it never took any effort.

>>19322197
You're the one who claimed here >>19321916 that poor input won't cause bad habits to stick, which is false, as evidenced by the fact that ESLs use a/an incorrectly.

>>19322213
yeah it's horrible I know

These threads are even worse now than they were in the old days. Holy shit.

tell us something we dont know

nihongo