/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Tryin out different shapes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpgFkdltOzY

>not using graph paper to practice writing japanese

>>19563901
>writes much better than "graph paper practitioner"

genetickanji has by far the best order to learn kanji.
Prove me wrong.

>>19563910
keep telling yourself that

>>19563921
the best order to learn kanji is the order that you learn words that contain those kanji

>>19563921
i can't navigate that disgusting website but i already know RTK is the best order because of the component+story building.

How difficult is 中二病でも恋がしたい！for a Yotsuba-only-fag?

what does that even mean

>>19563987
It means that I've only ever not-read Yotsuba, but the "manga isn't reading" meme got to me and now I want to read a LN, but the synopsis of キノの旅 sounds boring as fuck.

if youre determined to read that tripe do it

stop posting and do it

its the only way youre gonna get better

its the only way youre gonna be #1

rtk gotta write 'em all

how do i avoid falling in love with 3d japanese girls? it's happened 3 times now and ended badly with no survivors every time

>>19564095
wait how did you type this if youre not alive

>>19564102
this isn't living
i feel like i can never love anyone again

this threads full of 地縛霊s

>>19564111

>>19564122
can't quite read all of that

best guess: connecting with girls, men who get those kind of feelings, have nothing but suffering?

if so, i agree, but how do i stop myself from doing it again?

>>19564095
Did this happen for real or on the internet?

>>19564153
not him but if the internet is all you know what is real

>>19564153
for real
i try to make lots of japanese friends to practice speaking with but in a few cases i fell hard for them

>>19564147
oh boy

stop bein a bitch or fall in love with a uggo who has no choice but to cling to your sorry ass

to a healthy man i would suggest conquering her heart and making her yours but this idea seems lost on the last couple generations of beta bitch boys

>>19564205
2 out of 3 fell for me too, but that's even worse, makes it so hard when they inevitably go back to japan

so go to japan and fight her dad

whats the problem

he's a neet who can't afford a flight let alone a katana
and now he's got two dads to fight for two girls who haven't yet fought each other

i mean hes got two shoulders

work epic arubaito to pay for the trip then fight dad #1 and then sling girl #1 over shoulder and head immediately to dad#2 and knock his natto eatin ass out and sling girl#2 over vacant shoulder and head directly back to the airport as is and get on the fuckin plane back to butt fuckin brussels or buffalo or whatever the fuck with your well earned wenches

butt fuckin new brunswick

have you been drinking too many animes?

actually anime is at a all time low in my life though still present daily

>>19564378
>all time low in my life though still present daily
You're fucking disgusting.

not as much as your face tho

What keyboard does /djt/ use?

logitech k120

>>19564454
Model M

>>19564454
Gboard

logitech k260, basically the wireless version of k120

Ducky 死ね 6

>>19564454
get yourself one of these bad boys

something tells me the more expensive your keyboard is the worse at nihongo you are

>tfw nihongo god

>>19564454
this bad boy

watch this video to become instantly better at nihongo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtBi1ctzRI

>>19564454
Pok3r

>>19564536
Fuck off, Nobita

>>19564485
>botnet
Consider suicide.

>>19564095
You don't date foreigners.

you dont date

>>19564454
nicoWnnG.
Botnet-free and available on F-Droid if you're concerned about that.

>>19564536
Basically
1) Read more
2) Don't translate 1:1 (Yeah, no shit).
Nothing new.

>>19564559
Bet you keep JS disabled, you paranoid fuck.

gotta love the djt trolls that spread misinformation

>>19564590
>implying that's a bad thing

>>19564590
How retarded you actually have to be to browse without a noscript extension?

>>19564637
How autistic do you have to be to use one?

Imagine your processor melting through your case because you decided to load up a news site.

>>19564654
Enjoy always being afraid on clicking unknown links and ads and facebook following you wherever you go.

>>19564663
You're the one who's afraid, m8

shut up puter noobs

>not using umatrix

>>19564659
Imagine having a process so fucking old it can't load a news site

>>19564668
I bet you still use a "anti-virus software"

>>19564659
>reading news
w

>>19564683
Nope.

>>19564676
my man, good choice right there

わたしはゲイ

this post has been checked for viruses by avast antivirus software

please repeat this entire offtopic discussion in japanese ''kudasai``

いふ　あい　すぴいく　らいく　ちす　うぃる　じゃぱにいず　ぴいぽる　あんだすたあんど　みい？

そうしないでください

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0Bv3LPeXF1R

>>19564728
ぷろばぶり　のっと　です

>ボットネット
自殺検討してください

>>19564738
Why do you say ichiman and not just man?

>>19564760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPC9erC5WqU#t=32

>>19564738
漢字カード is not a counter.

Can you really study Japanese using Anime? 4 realz?

I think you can. With a proper serious approach it can totally be done.

It's like losing weight. It is a lot more difficult than you think and most people won't do it... But that doesn't mean it can not be done ^^ The physics to make it happen are in place.

I made a series of videos attempting this or rather trying to share and show how I went about using Anime to study Japanese myself. - A bit of a Japanese with Anime Show.

Have a look:

https://youtu.be/1FwbyfYLHJs - https://youtu.be/GRRyNMWOThE - https://youtu.be/cOFT5e4mCtc

>>19564760
Doesn't same thing happen in English sometimes too? One hundred, one thousand.

>>19564803
But think of it for a moment. Anime has: Perfect pronunciation to copy. It has endless vocabulary incl. specialized vocabulary depending on the setting of the show. It has a lot of different kinds of characters to showcase different ways of speaking. It has loads of different kinds of grammar and finally the entertainment value to keep you attention for hours. In my experience even people who want to study can only focus for so long on a textbook but people are somehow able to focus on Anime for days. There should be a way to use this.

But you need more than just your favorite episode of Naruto ;) And just binge watching in it of it self will not get you far.

So what do we need?

- You need a show you really enjoy that has character who speak in ways and with voices you will not get tired of even after having listened to the same bit 100 times. (cause you will need to listen to it 100/1000 times in order to get your ears quick enough to keep up with the native level speech and speed).
- You need a grammar book. An Anime will only give you the verbs - it will not show you how to conjugate them ;) Any grammar book will do as long as it explains the rules in a simple understandable way.
- You'll need a dictionary. I recommend "nihongodict.com" and "jisho.org". Nihongodict allows you to slowly type in the words you are looking for letter by letter in both romaji, kana and kanji and Jisho has example sentences for reference after you find a new cool word.

>>19564803
not really

Anime isnt Japanese

>>19564818
You have your subtitles for reference when trying to figure out what is being said. Go through it scene by scene or pick a short scene to start with. Transcribe it and then listen to it over and over again while looking at the script you made to train your ear. Take the words you found to jisho dot org and check a few example sentences. Repeat and slowly fill out the puzzle that is 日本語 <3

Finally. Every now and then you go to Youtube and look up some random Japanese TV show and listen a bit just to help yourself remember what words and grammar are mostly only used in Anime and what pops up more in real life. A little reality check ;) It'll mostly be stuff like "jutsu", "fireball", "die you pig" and the likes ;) Anime is strange but most of it is just regular grammar and language. "Hey GodKing, pass me the magic sword". Just replace GodKing with... John and sword with spoon and you got yourself a bit of a dinner conversation ;)

Am I crazy here?

>>19564828
i like this one more than manga isn't reading
in fact let's also say that manga isn't japanese
just remember that manga is eating and anime is drinking and we're good man

imagine trying to learn english by watching the simpsons
hai caramba

>^^
>;)
><3
is this guy writing the guide for his girlfriend

Hello everyone; I’ve began my kanji learning journey recently using WaniKani, and am loving it so far. However, there was something I was curious if others had some help: rendaku. It’s easy enough to remember a kanji reading through mneumonics and other tricks, but it’s frustrating when I miss a vocabulary word not because I didn’t remember the readings of the composing kanji, but because I didn’t get the rendaku correct. I was just wondering if there was any consistency to when rendaku shows up or if people had tips for helping memorize rendaku words. Thanks so much!

So I'm just reading a children's book and there's a sentence これはかみさまがさずけてくださった (apologies for lack of Kanji, I haven't learned it yet). So if I actually broke it down, さずける is to grant/teach and くださる is to oblige/bestow. However, for the translation given to me, it's "this is a gift from god". I'm slightly confused as to how these two verbs put together somehow became a noun? I understand it's not going to be a direct English translation but I feel like "grant" and "bestow" are almost synonyms in the English language and so I'm confused as to what the purpose of having both of them is.

hes finally cracked boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqMIoCAFlY

Is there a Japanese equivalent to 4chan? Or some sort of site where people congregate and talk about random things but not necessarily like Reddit level trollness but a more wholesome / genuine online community??

>>19564907
No I don't think there is.

>>19564907
1st question: no

2nd question: lots of them

3rd question before you ask it: no

>>19564886
after a verb in -te form kudasaru means "to do for one" (honorific)
e.g. "please help me" たすけてください, literally something like "help, do for me"
so in this case god had done "grant something"

>>19564886
くださる is a more polite version of くれる, which means roughly "to give to me".

when you put a verb in the て form, and add くれる to it, it means someone has done the first verb for the benefit of the speaker. example: おとうさんが　けいたいでんわを　かってくれた (my father bought me a cellphone)

so これはかみさまがさずけてくださった。is more literally translated as "god granted/taught me that".

edit: some minor details and further information

and just saying さずけた would not be appropriately honorific to god, so くださった is used as an auxiliary verb to make it honorific

>>19564886
くださる as in "to kindly do for one", so the whole sentence is more like "This is a gift kindly given by god", at least in my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong

why are you people falling for the posts I copied from reddit?

>>19564886
this is a really good one, i enjoyed it
so did three others i see

>>19564886
>I'm slightly confused as to how these two verbs put together somehow became a noun?
They didn't. That's just the English translation. In Japanese, the subject is "god", and the topic/object is "this", and the verb is "to honorably bestow".

what the purpose of having both of them

It's common to append くれる・くださる・いただく and other giving/receiving verbs to denote that the action was not only done, but that the action was something done honorably by the other party and that it helped someone (and they should be thankful for that).

So it's literally "God (honorably and kindly) bestowed this (upon me/us/him/her)".

come on you done with reddit already??

>>19564847
i learned english by watching the simpsons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvQKh8bcW48#t=27

>live in Japan since 90s
>have a japanese wife and two kids
>can barely read kana

>>19565149
almost /djt/ levels of based

>>19565057
No you didn't

nuke...

From when did they start to sell doujins in US Amazon?

Text hooker doesn't seem to work properly on nanatsuiro drops, guess I'm going in dry

>>19565236
they don't

youre gonna get prolapsed if you do that

>>19565243
nanatsuiro drops hook code
/HBN-C*0@3E3C1:nana.exe

┐(￣ヘ￣;)┌

>>19565243
> Text hooker
What's that?

it love you long time

>>19565254
Shit don't work
I'll just go finish hanahira which doesn't require a hook code

>>19565338
You have to put it in the hook code box, press enter, get a new dialogue line, then open the new hook point in the dropdown of hook points.

is this the libble bubsters guy

no

im just picturing that guy falling deeper and deeper until he moves on with his life and abandons his nihongo dreams

my nihongo yumes will kanarazu come true

怠先生

he looks so youthful

finally some fuckin new jin dogg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2-QSKXGQ2Y

Is there something like the Alphabet song for kana?

Do you guys think it is useful to make a deck of kanji containing a single semantic radical, such as
遅い
近く
遠い
送る
etc. I often get them mixed up if they are similar looking.

>>19565558
You better get used to memorizing shapes and sounds through rote in preparation for the kanji.

>>19565561
no i dont

>>19565465
Do these kinds of jokes work in Japanese?

>>19565254
>/HBN-C*0@3E3C1:nana.exe
Worked for me, thanks. Didn't realize it needed one.

>>19565635
Why?

Today I learned the "gate" primitive in RTK, and some kanji which include it. After koohii, I call the primitive "Bill Gates" and I imagine Bill Gates in all my stories involving that primitive.

>>19565643
under what context do you mix those kanji up

>>19565657
no honor for charlatans and thieves
to the guillotines

>>19565659
Well, fast and slow for instance, or distant vs whatever else.

but when and where are you mixing them up

what are you doing where you actually get those wrong

i already know the answer so ill just give you your prescription now

finish up your 10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language and read more

>>19565687
So you're just fucking around with me. Anyone else have input?

>>19565698
Yeah, read more.

typical noob even with his head shoved down into the rivers water he will not drink

he would rather inhale

>>19565615
No I was just wondering if there was some fun song to sing.

desu all i can say is that i did rtk so i don't mix these guys up. they have their own distinct components, and those components form stories.

>>19565706
I feel like you think you're saying something intelligent and enlightened, when in reality you are spitting nonsense.

memorizing kanji through rote when you don't know japanese fucks up your ability to lump words with multiple spellings together under the same mental dictionary entry

>>19565717
and all youre doing is spitting that same nonsense back at me then

>>19565714
近く - anon shoved a nearby penis up his ass
遠い - anon took a distant relative's penis up his ass
送る - anon was sent a giant dildo to shove up his ass

Wow I did it thanks, I'll never forget them again.

>>19565719
isn't that the point of immersion

if you make stories like that all the time (i mean about phallic things and asses) i think rtk is a good thing to do

i like how you're using 近く instead of 近い or 遠い instead of 遠く really gets my noggin joggin

>>19565768
Because I copypasted from my open Anki deck. I know about dictionary forms.

>>19565784
they're both dictionary forms

hey guys none of my collegiate japanese friends could figure this out and suggested i come here to seek the sagely wisdom of the djt real ninjas

what do i do here

>>19565802
is her name hyakugouka?

you remembered the kanji didnt you

Wasn't there an online full version of dojg somewhere in the resources I can't find it
Send link kudasai

自分を

i skipped code gay ass because all the weebs chimpin out over it saying the gay memes turned me off extremely from watching it at the time

now that the dust has settled..

should i watch it

do whatever dude I don't care.

>>19565856
Sounds like a good /a/ thread mate, you should go post that over there and not here.

i mean im gonna but like

did you like it?

>>19565856
good ending, good ups, lots of downs.

>>19565882
i wanted a more otaku point of view because if i asked there id get 69 posts of >>19565844

>>19565890
It's shit.

そっか

shitか

we're not otaku we're just autistic

I mean there's the nostalgia factor and the great music, but that's about it.

>>19565844
oneself part

世界さえも

>>19565964
generation world

>>19565465
He only knows 400 kanji despite living in Japan for seven years. Why does anyone take this clown seriously?

>>19565993
they don't

you only know 400 kanji but know who the nama whiteguy is

why?

>>19565717
you seem to need an extra shove to realize the answer you've been given so here it is: read more and you'll stop mixing up all of the examples you gave and many more
they couldn't believe it was that simple and so they kept following memes but memes don't lead to your dreams you need to nippon to nippon

>>19564454
TADA68. Gateron clears, red legends. Comfy.

>>19566029
delete your name

>>19566031
Thanks.

dont let your dreams be memes

it truly is amazing though all the ways djt can find to stifle themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCMUURSIjI#t=7

Wish there was a good way to practice nihongo on my phone but every pop up dictionary Ive found has been very obnoxious to use.

>>19566016
Reading makes it even less obvious of the subtle kanji differences. I'm not gonna be able to pick out 1 or 2 different strokes by encountering them in an article every now and then. That takes close examination on an individual level.

>>19566197
this is simply not true
don't give advice about things you haven't actually done

>>19566207
I have done it. I am not a beginner, otherwise I wouldn't be concerned about confusing kanji as that is a given before you really get into things. To be clear, I read a lot, every day.

>>19566223
having the first yotsuba open on your second monitor while you shitpost on djt is not reading

fucking gross dude

>>19566244
Fuckin ankidrones.

>>19566244
much better

Anyone else constantly give up on learning further? Haha...

>>19566223
>i can't distinguish 遅い from 遠い in context but i'm not a beginner

>>19566256
no it's not better
the fat woman is better because she does not distract me from my studying

>>19566256
でもその足は太くない

>>19566263
the fat 3d woman distracts me a lot, and not in a good way

>>19566270
you know what would be less distracting
no fucking images
no fucking sentence either
why do you have meaning before reading

>>19566223
yeah no
you're not going to learn japanese if prefer lying to yourself over throwing away your ego

look ive put in hundreds maybe even a thousand hours so dont tell me about japanese

>>19566282
Some people learn better with images. For instance I put an image of yuno from mirai nikki on "dairy" and I never forgot it. It is relative to the individual, associating new kanji with things you already know is really useful to me.

>>19566299
>only a thousand
yea kid do that ten times and you might not be a beginner anymore

>>19566291
Wow you crushed my dreams, how will I ever learn Japanese after reading this? Might as well just quit.

look ive put hundreds maybe even thousands of hours into anki so dont tell me about japanese

>>19566304
>not knowing "nikki" from "yume nikki" aka "dream diary"
get good kid

>>19566318
I don't watch crap

>>19566321
good because it's a game retard

>>19566330
I don't play crap

>>19566318
>thinking that yume nikki was a more foundational work in the history of japanese media than mirai nikki
is it good it's on my list of shit to play someday

but do you watch carp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec92UKQpeOU

>>19566344
well it's not strong in terms of gameplay but if you like exploring weird shit then you'll enjoy it

>>19566312
start actually reading
example sentences aren't reading
sentence cards aren't reading
anki in general is not reading
anime subtitles aren't reading
twitter is barely reading
forcing your way through visual novels that you don't understand by use of a parser is barely reading

you need to read actual japanese and force your brain to practice reading japanese text to get good at reading japanese text
spending two hours on five hundred lines is barely reading

training wheels are only acceptable at the very beginning or to make it possible to consume compelling content that is otherwise far above your level, and you should not be using training wheels for all your practice

as it happens, my reading speed, which is terrible, is like 200~250 characters per minute, so you should be reading at at least 100 characters per minute, not counting word lookups and rereads

if you seriously do actually read at high speed for great length every day and continue to have problems distinguishing 遅い from 遠い, you're lying to yourself about SOMETHING. are you actually reading what you're looking at? are you dyslexic but trying to suppress the fact that you are? are you exclusively consuming material that is far below your level? are you spending all of your clocked reading time shitposting on twitter or reddit or 4chan or discord? whatever it is, it's not normal, because "reads a lot every day and can't easily distinguish 遅い and 遠い" is not a thing that happens.

>>19566385
>reading isnt reading
ok
also I wasn't talking about any of that shit. pretty sure I said "articles". what reason do I have to lie to myself? you're not making sense bro.

>>19566396
oh yeah
reading intentionally watered down sterile formal writing designed for the illiterate is barely reading
next

>>19566405
>reading is only exactly my narrow definition of reading
i liked the 10k anime meme more

>>19566410
you can't learn japanese

>>19566396
>>reading isnt reading
if that's all you got out of that post i'm afraid to say you're not gonna make it
>>19566410
i like this one more because it's just a bit more educational

>>19566419
>i'm afraid to say you're not gonna make it
I'm n3 and I've only been studying 2 months so I say I'm doing pretty good actually.

>>19566423
who would just go on the internet and tell lies

>>19566423
>only been studying 2 months
why didn't you say so, this changes literally everything
your brain is still rewiring itself, don't worry about not making progress on random stuff yet

of course, if you're just lying and have actually been studying for 2 years, fuck off

>>19566433
>if you're just lying and have actually been studying for 2 years
1 year if you count a semester worth of learning hirgana at a snail's pace and wasting 1000 dollars while getting nothing out of it, sure. But that doesn't count, I could have done that material in a few weeks.

10000 hours of anime isnt a meme

imagine how enriched your life will be if youve watched and enjoyed a shit load of anime

>>19566444
at least you are enlightened to the fact that the majority of modern academia is a scam

>>19566452
My actual degree was worthwhile, whether you blame that on the system or not. But the Japanese elective was worthless except for the credits.

why would you pay anyone money to learn japanese besides nobita sensei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U441cTx1dpM#t=43

this is the guy dude

as it happens the typical sentence or line is something like 15 or 20 characters long
so at 100 characters per minute you should be reading at something like 400 sentences or 300 lines per hour

>>19566470
degrees are indeed worth something but i'm not sure they're worth the forced throwaway credits they waste money on

seriously this dude fuckin spits the gospel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U441cTx1dpM#t=231

dude look at this shit if you only pay the epically low price of 60 bucks to access all of nobita senseis epic nihongo content you can finally find out the answer to lifes biggest question

While on holiday in Japan I generally said thanks for things in shops, restaurants etc with 'arigatou gozaimasu'. Each time the servers would respond with a little chorus of 'gozaimasu'.

Is it like the Japanese way of saying 'you too'?

>>19566559
>epically
ill have you know its epicly

my 2 million friends on google say youre wrong

you almost had me tho

>>19566574
someone show me this happening on video ありがとうございます

he prolly just didnt hear the thing that was being gozaimassed

if youve watched 10000 hours of anime you can prolly fill in that blank tho

>>19566592
the utter state of humanity where epically is the more common spelling

Maybe I can finally learn this stupid language.

>>19566667
They should really just make glorified graded readers with full furigana and voicing.

>>19564803
Your vids are pretty good
instead of just doing a bunch of sentences at random your better of making a grammar guide and use sentences/conversations from anime kinda like Japanese the manga way. If you do this you'll probably have to shorten your explanations because you have too a) introduce the concept and b) present an example convo and break it down (preferably you'll have several conversations per grammar point too get show examples and exceptions) if you don't your videos will be like an hour long just to explain what wa does which is something no one will sit through

>try core 2k/6k/10k before doing rtk
>shit is hard, struggle to remember meaning and reading of most kanji you never saw
>sentences with this kanji don't help at all
>do 1400 kanji in rtk burned out at this point desu
>now core is easy as fuck, only have to learn reading
>sentences with this kanji are great help

thank you Mat-, I mean Heisig :))))

>>19566667
you could play that and learn presumably nothing or play this and learn presumably everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rv_cVvUSU

>>19566675
did you get to 人 before you burned out man

>>19566675
damn, I'm a newfriend

instead of posting questions here asking you guys how to translate a particular sentence because there's too many parts that i'm unfamiliar with do you think it's more efficient in the long run to just skip the sentence and come back to it when it's easy to figure out?

>>19566686
exercise those brain muscles for half a minute then move on
that's all it takes

its more efficient to read things that you can actually read and only encounter few new things when you do it

>>19566684
yeah, it's 1023 in 6th edition
also I lied, I got to 1358th kanji, 頬

>>19566677
I tried but the text is pixelated as fuck so I gave up

>>19566692
this isn't in the guide is it? i feel like it's a useful tip if it works. and it's not necessarily intuitive seeing as how people spend minutes if not dozens of minutes asking for help decoding sentences on forums.

>>19566709
the guide is bad, it was written by beginners

actually the guide was edited recently and also there's someone else's alternative guide in the op site now as well

>>19566684
yea it's introduced around 1000 and he got way further than that. but some of the most frequent kanji are still toward the end of RTK.

>>19566713
theres also https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/ thats literally going to change your life once i learn jquery

>>19566675
See? RTK genuinely does make it way easier to remember actual japanese words so I wish DJT didn't hate it so much.

>>19566686
paste it to jisho.org, that will divide it nicely in different parts of speech and then check if that's easy enough for you
if not, check what are those fuckers you don't understand, see if there's anything helpful in tae kim's grammar guide about it, and then I don't know, I don't know japanese, don't take my advice

>>19566721
jquery is a meme just use https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document_object_model/Locating_DOM_elements_using_selectors

>>19566750
fuck katakana, katakana is shit, katakana is harder than kanji
fuck you katakana-sama

>>19566673
you did good to come up with something worse than graded readers but you didn't outdo the picture you're posting in response to so you're going to have to try harder

>allowing js on jamal's playground

i cant even write anything in js dont worry lmao

>learned 1000 words so far
>but everytime someone says something in japanese it seems as though they only use vocabulary that i have never seen before

Why?

>>19566762
yea japanese is pretty bullshit

>>19566774
what did you learn them from

>>19566765
Why would voiced graded readers be worse than graded readers?
I think graded readers are great. They make you read real Japanese.

i dont have issues with anything i saw of the "graded readers"

read the shit love the shit

play aqua shit and jack your shit

>>19566779
core 2k/6k

matt says graded readers are trash because they're "japanese with training wheels".

>>19566809
you answered your own question
voiced graded readers don't make you read real japanese
keep your listening and reading practice separate for maximum gains

but they are japanese they just seem to cut a lot of fluff

theres nothing wrong with them that i saw but you shouldnt be like reading them for too long

baby steps

also fuck what a white guy who sits at home peeing in jugs all day has to say about japanese!!

>>19566824
matt thinks you should do multiple hours a day of listening to anime for your 3-4 months of rtk before skimming a grammar guide, and then you should spend months "reading" manga
if you think matt knows what he's talking about i'm sorry

>>19566686
Skip any sentence that isn't i+1 until it eventually becomes i+1

Is this a raid?

youve been raided

learn nihongo or die

those are your two options choose wisely

>>19566862
that's only for dedicated people who want a good accent and know how to look up words they hear. if you only care about learning to read then you can go ahead and do that whenever you want.

>>19566886
what's the difference

oh hey thats a really good anime accent you have there

http://vmashup.com/3rzLGnqy

急 adjectival noun
urgent, dire, pressing

急な坂道を上った
Went up a steep hill

???

>>19566913
急な坂
expr
steep (dangerous) slope (hill)

>>19566918
>expression

oh fuck you Nihongo

you should know 急 from watching 10000 hours of anime and even hearing it used that way for the first time you should get it

noobs dont believe in anime but it will do what you need it do

>>19566935
maybe i would have watched 10000 hours of anime if there were more than 500 hours of GOOD anime.

>>19566913
｛形｝傾斜がきつい。「急坂」

theres more than 500 hours of good anime

like just one piece and naurto pretty much take care of that right there

Best anime ever. If you disagree you literally don't know anime.

>>19566892
the fact that you think it's an effective method for "dedicated people who want a good accent" shows that you are too far gone

>>19566944
i honestly can't recognize most Kanji in this PC browser jap font

>>19566968
well i can either trust your assessment or i can trust matt's...

>>19566967
>>>/a/

>>19566930
note that "expression" doesn't mean "doesn't mean what the individual words mean", it means "phrase that is normal to use to describe something"

>>19566967
i dont know about best but i definitely recommend it to japanese learners

if it didnt fall off at the end the way it did it would have been up there but thats more of a anime exclusive issue

>>19566930
nothing about that is special
you were just looking at the wrong sense of 急な

>>19566999
it was literally the example sentence for Kyuu in Core 2k/6k

>>19566967
watching anime is a meme, no one who watches it ever learns above-shit level of japanese

>>19566967
I remember finding Yaoi shit with that kinpatsu guy back when I was a kid on limewire.

>>19566976
you should probably not trust the guy who preaches about how to become a nihongo master with an amazing accent when he talks like an anime character and says まあ every two seconds
but if you can't see the logic against his suggestions that's on you, enjoy your stay, the sooner you start arguing about rtk for hours the better

>>19567017
this is true of gaijin "otaku" mainly and look where we are : )

>>19567018
thats fucked but very likely

>>19567013
have you tried a fuckin dictionary
daily reminder that core is shit so read more and mine instead

>>19567022
yea but who has a better accent than matt and advocates the method that you advocate? i'm going to have to trust matt here.

>>19567033
I'm not otaku, baka

matt doesnt teach tho he just sits there and pretends to be in tune with japanese and says lol pay me on patreon to talk to me

ill let you in on a secret once he starts making too much money on patreon im going to yakuza his ass so he better have gotten on the level by then or his house of cards is comin down

Anyone knows a good deck to practice Kanji use? As in, English words on the front, Japanese on the back, with a focus on the most common words.
Most entry level decks have a ton of Katakana and Hiragana words which are annoying to sift through.

>>19567064
>English words on the front, Japanese on the back
Stop

>>19567074
Why

>>19567017
Yea the only way to learn is by sleeping with a japanese virgin girl. Cracking open an authentic Japanese Monster in japan and breathing japanese air.

>>19567064
do you wipe back to front also smearing feces all over your taint and balls

>>19567058
oniichan, all you have to do is the same as in case of khatzunigger
just listen/read his advices and before you put them into your life, just think if it makes sense, or if it's just something that he doesn't even do, but "uh, it might sound counterintuitive, but it's really not, so do it and check my patreon for more"
mattzumoto often says some helpful stuff, you don't have to avoid him, just be mindful :^)

>once he starts making too much money on patreon im going to yakuza his ass
and that sounds like you want to become his bitch or something, pretty fucking gay if you ask me desu senpai

>>19567098
you dont want to have sex with a virgin

its way more fun when both partners are reasonably broken in and know what theyre doing

>>19567107
Of course, I'm just meme'in. The first thing you learn about wyminz if you aren't 'daft' is that virgin or not 'a girl is a girl'.

>>19567064
read first 2 chapters of Tae Kim's grammar guide before you do that

Can someone please help me decipher the name of this Zoids?

Thanks.

>>19567104
his bitch? im gonna knock his noob ass out and take his viewer/patreon sub base all in one fell swoop with a well timed well made smear video properly put into view of all the little lemmings

itll be epic

but thats only if he doesnt pay me the protection funds he will be owing me when he reaches the certain threshold

Something like 10% of RTK1 is worthless.

Does anyone have a link to the nihongo subtitled anime pack someone posted here a while ago?

>>19567130
how much of rtk3 is worthless? and don't exaggerate. but don't be nice either.

>>19567142
No idea, sorry.

>tfw you're immersing your english by lurking and posting here, but not your japanese
>tfw you're not good enough to post in jap-only threads
why live

>>19567140
you mean this?
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15129-post-251950.html

redpill me on mining decks
how do you keep them from being 1000 words a day?
how do i properly manage it?

rtk isnt worthless but its worth less

>>19567142
Oh, my bad. That 10% is RTK 1 + RTK 3. RTK 1 is only like 3% worthless.

>>19567157
thanks man. i'll still do rtk3 to help build up my power level.

>>19567129
>im gonna (...)ck his noob ass and take his (...) all in (...) smear (...) put into (...) the little (...)
dude, that's fucking gay

>>19567151
thanks

yea actually it is

but not the sexual kind of gay

>>19567142
If you read a lot they are almost all good. But then again if you read a lot, they are not enough. You'd better just pick up kanji as you come across them after RTK1.

>>19567122
Dude, I'm not fucking new. I've done core for a year straight. I've probably read more than you.
My understanding is pretty down, I just want to be able to recall words.

Just as example, I can read 乾杯 no problem. No hard word, pretty common. But that the first Kanji of the word is same Kanji as for dry? Well, never paid attention to stuff like that up now.
So I want to use some time of my day to get an undestanding of what Kanji words are made of.

>>19567142
rtk order is fucking retarded, so rtk3 might have some important/more common kanji
it's still worth doing if you can

x is fucking retarded so xplus might have some important stuff in it

>>19567167
>I've probably read more than you
I'm sure you did, becaus I didn't read shit, but don't be a nigger and stop trying to eng-jap
just go jap-jap, this shouldn't be a problem at your level

dude im not fucking new

ill have you know ive done thousands of flashcards and spent a lot of time looking at text under the guise of reading it

my understanding is pretty downs i just want to be able to learn nihongo

>>19567186
you cant say that word on television

>>19567124
Help me! You guys suck!

>>19567186
Sure, I wouldn't mind a Hiragana-Katakana deck if you can find me one. Because I looked, and I couldn't. Which is why I'm looking for Eng-JP, seems more likely that something like that exist.

>>19567167
>乾杯
>But that the first Kanji of the word is same Kanji as for dry?

you didn't do rtk, did you?
>dry
>cup
huh, I wonder how you can make a cup dry? maybe fucking drink the content of the fucking cup?

>>19567038
i didn't advocate a method so tough call

>>19567248
all the more reason not to listen to you.

let's talk about all the unreasonably common kanji that aren't in rtk because they're not joyo or common components

>>19567258
do you have a list?

>>19567258
it's extremely easy to add them to your RTK deck since the method works on any new kanji you come across.

>>19567261
yes and it starts with 嬉
oh I was excluding rtk3 when I said that by the way

>>19567268
>to your RTK deck
RTK isn't designed for SRS though
don't call it RTK if you're not using RTK's method man

>>19567208
I fucking did the whole RTK first book around 5 years ago. Guess what? Because you fuckers recommended it.
And guess what? I forgot every last thing I learned in there in like half a year after I finished it actually started learning words. I had no time or interest to think about the meaning of each Kanji when I was doing 300+ reps each day. Not much, I know, but I didn't want to waste time so I just remembered the readings and meanings of the whole word, not of each Kanji.

But maybe I'm just stupid. Maybe I did something wrong. Maybe RTK really is the holy grail. For me it was only a waste of time though.

>>19567124
i'm not sure but i think it's りくおうこういちしき

>>19567272
>RTK isn't designed for SRS though
i'm not sure what this means because everything and nothing is "designed" for SRS.

also even if what you're saying was true you could just call it RTK+ and say it's based on RTK but better. i should sell books about it.

>>19567273
WE GOT HIM BOYS, PACK IT UP

>>19567273
Rtk is really only for upping you visual memory skills. I know that personally I would have no chance seeing the difference between "使" and "便" if I hadn't done RTK. Maybe that's just me

>>19567283
go for it, anything to get people to stop recommending a bad resource by name without having very detailed instructions on how to make it not suck

>>19567273
Learning Kanji and their Readings individually
Learning Kanji readings from Vocabulary (which can result in you only being able to read Kanji in the context of the whole word)

First one is way more difficult
Second one has the drawbacks i mentioned, if you're a brainlet like me.

There's no right answer.

>>19567273
DJT hates RTK. also you if you had been using SRS you wouldn't have forgotten them.

>あれは用もないのに 押しちゃだめなのよ
I'm reading this as: "despite you having no business there, do not press the button", but I think its trying to say "You shouldn't press the button if you have no business there". Why? Isn't のに "despite / though"?

>>19567292
well if it only takes painless, free supplementary material to make it "not suck" then i don't see the problem. there's nothing else out there like it after all.

>>19567295
"Even though the button doesn't do anything don't press it" maybe

>>19567256
i actually did advocate a method but james took it off of the internet so you'll have to look in the archive

>>19567301
why the fuck did james do this to you? also who is james?

>>19567294
djt didn't hate rtk until the riot squad airdropped in to put djt back in its place

>>19567304
he's probably mad that no one liked his site when he put valuable information on it so he did it to spite everyone
james is the man who posts the rap

>>19567291
one of them has a sharp top edge, the other doesn't
next
>>19567261
https://pastebin.com/raw/uSkVPL8r

>>19567295
「あれは用もないのに」押しちゃだめなのよ
instead of
「あれは用もない]のに押しちゃだめなのよ

>>19567320
Small correction: move the 「 bracket after あれは

>>19567316
? it got negative responses in the thread and i hadnt ever read it but the people who were sayin why seemed really convincing so coupled with how its also not a thing i wrote i decided to pull the content

dont worry when i learn how to become a web developer im going to make the best site ever for learning japanese

>>19567317
obviously it's easy to fucking tell them apart when they're next to each other

>>19567297
"(You) have no business there, though don't press the button." ? There must be something about noni that I don't understand yet.

>>19567335
notice it once and it will be drilled into your head each time you see them in words, forever

>>19567338
Disregard that, i misread your post.

I'm trying to translate the author's introductory page of one of my manga, and I've been unsure if I'm understanding it correctly.

”「こういう漫画は描いてほしくなかった。。。」
この漫画を初めて見せてた時、父から頂いたありがたいお言葉です。くじけず、がんばります。それでは、どうぞ。”

Which, by my reading, is:

" 「I wished you wouldn't draw manga like this.」
The first time I showed this manga, my father gave me words of gratitude. Disheartened, I persevere. Well, enjoy."

Something about that doesn't sound quite right. I'm sure I'm close, but I think it has something to do with that weird くじけず / 挫けず word. Why would he feel disheartened after his father gave ありがたいお言葉？

>>19567294
>>19567305
Come on guys, we all know that all djt has been discussing since its existence is whether rtk is stupid or not using rtk is stupid. It's been always the same stupid argument.

>>19567124
>>19567203
i think it says 戮王甲壱式

tip me on patreon

>>19567343
That's not what ず does, consult DoJG or Tae Kim or some other grammar resource.

>>19567340
I guess the point was that if you for some reason needed to write a word by hand, you might end up writing 使利 instead of 便利. Of course you will never mix them up in reading because they are used in totally different words.

>>19567343
>reading the extra pages
lmao faggot, just scroll past them as if you would a homeless man

>>19567346
no i'm new here and you guys absolutely HATE RTK.

>>19567331
i didn't see any criticism but it's understandable if you want to go solo

>>19567343
the ず negates くじける.

>>19567353
this will never be an issue unless you're forcing yourself to write things you can't mentally produce

>>19567358
idk there was a thread where i linked the page and a couple of people shit on it so i was like huh maybe its not proper

i still havent read it though so i cant say for sure

>>19567353
As someone that is trying to practice writing by hand, this won't happen as you'll notice such mistakes as you write them (words looking wrong).

>>19567352
>>19567363
Thanks, I should have realized that. I should have paid more attention to the root word.
>>19567355
I always wondered what it said. Now, I know.

>>19567353
please treat >>19567364 as an extension of >>19567372 as though >>19567372 responded to you first

>>19564803
dam u r hot AF

>>19567365
i saw people shit on the site but not my wisdom, maybe the tits were distracting because they weren't big enough

>>19567384
no it was absolutely about the text and not the titties

i mean at the end of the day its still djt shitting on it so considering the trends that means it prolly was sagely and wise

actually i have an idea hang on

>>19567320
Why is のに being used there then? All the other のに examples I can find are pretty straight forward but in that example it just seems out of place. She's trying to explain that you can't be pushing a button when you have no business, not "despite you having no business".

Here go the fucking nerds translating shit again.

>>19567384
here check out the site again and while i still havent read any of that text we can let todays thread kick the ball around >>19566721

>>19567397
i+1 brother. Don't worry about it.

>>19567397
Sorry I'm retarded and my post was bad. These are the correct brackets:
あれは「用もないのに押しちゃ」だめなのよ
Hope this clears it up this time.

>>19567422
You're right. I don't understand one thing and get caught up on it for 30 minutes.

>>19567397
It's just saying that 'even though' (=despite) she doesn't have any business, she shouldn't push it. I don't see the problem.

>>19567447
Because it is the opposite of despite. Despite means inspite of. It's BECAUSE she has no business. Despite / even though is the worst word you could use, it's literally the opposite of that. I know it's not English but in this particular case the meaning is pretty close.

>>19567462
That being said I'll just ignore it for now and figure it out when I understand the grammar more.

>>19567364
i need to produce asap because im learning japanese for a real otaku purpose
to train as a 先手 and one day become a master 刀匠
i will engrave every masterwork blade i produce with my name 寿実守武来安 and the name of the blade
the name of the blade will be a work of its own using rare kanji that few have ever laid eyes on
to ask one to mentally produce them is an unreasonable task as some will have upwards of seventy strokes
some of those strokes do not even exist in other kanji as they truly embody the meaning of the kanji itself
so as is befitting of this goal i will need to practice every day to master these kanji
this is the true reason i have mastered 書道 as it was but a stepping stone along the path to 刀道【とうどう】 the art of 名乗り within 玉鋼 taken shape as 新作刀

as for わたし

ゲイ

>>19567499
Based ken-sama.

>>19567462
Well, I don't know the context of that line, but if you ask me the line sounds like the girl or whoever already pushed the button, or is about to push it, and the speaker is saying that she's not supposed to do it.
So she pushed the button despite having no business, which is what she should not do.

chart is cut off at the top 500 misses
i shall now take my leave from djt until a week from now
i'm going to check in on you guys to see if you got brainwashed by another eceleb again

>>19567521
i'm shaking with rage that you didn't do rtk1+3

>>19567530
enough people recommend against rtk3 that i feel this is fair

>>19567534
i don't understand that logic but regardless people recommend against rtk1

>>19567518
It makes more sense when you put it like that.

>>19567541
enough people that recommend rtk1 recommend against rtk3

why do people dick suck that youtuber guy (matt?) and then hate on RTK, which he endorses?

>>19567552
where does this happen? i suck his dick and defend RTK

Be careful you might become an expert in shitposting about e-celebs and not learn any japanese

i just suck dick

Wow I've been here for 3 months and still don't know any Japanese (doing RTK). I wonder how many people started back in May and have started reading VNs and stuff.

>>19567596
You don't learn any grammar at all? no reading at all?

>>19567596
I hope none cuz VNs are trash

>>19567515
ken-sama was a true friend and an inspiration
we are fortunate for his sacrifice
he protected millions of 日本人 from the 大台風 with his life
someday there may be a テレビアニメ reenactment
it will not do justice to the sight i had beheld

>>19567609
I'm very, very loosely skimming some grammar guides every now and then but other than that, no. RTK is a lot of effort and it's not fun at all so it drains my desire.

Since the maintainer of the new site has apparently finished editing their single-page copy of Tae Kim, why don't we edit it to fix the stupid parts?

>>19567620
>RTK is a lot of effort and it's not fun at all so it drains my desire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_hypothesis#Affective_filter_hypothesis

>>19567649
with how bad the guide is i wouldn't be surprised if we managed to make tae kim worse
whatever you do, keep a backup of the single-page tae kim in case that happens

>>19567658
I've been doing RTK for 70 days in a row with no signs of stopping so the boredom makes things harder but I'm still doing the work. Boredom won't be an issue when I actually start learning the language.

>>19567677
You're not acquiring what you consciously learn if your affective filter is up, your RTK is a waste of time. You should start consuming compelling content.

>>19567692
Are you saying my 90% retention rate is fake or something? I'm not learning the language so there's nothing to acquire there. Not yet.

>>19567702
Fair enough, but for what purpose have you spent the last 3 months memorizing characters if not to learn the language?

>>19567724
Primarily to learn to write, with the side bonus of having better recognition. Then I'll learn the language.

djt

for trolls

by trolls

but yet this is the story of one idiot boy who loved his hood more than any other ninja and proclaimed it to the world

>>19566673
>>19566809
>>19566819
>graded readers
Uh
>>>/wsg/2319210

>>19567843
matt's opinions on graded readers are based on graded readers universally being badly made, not the concept

you what else is fake? the words matt reads completely wrong in his muramasa vid lmao

btw anyone that thinks muramasa is hard its literally no harder than this >>19567124

>>19567861
>>19567888
>>>/wsg/2319217

>>19567912
yeah not gonna watch that

69 decides what im gonna watch next

>>19567931
the matt video i just linked where he calls out haters

>>19566574
Bump

>>19566868
What does "i" represent here?

>>19567975
interlanguage

>>19567975
everything you comprehend. +1 represents a small bit of information you don't understand, such as a word or grammar point.

>>19567974
In gamecenter cx this happens a lot. It's the "thanks" equivalent of responding to "good morning" with just "morning" as far as i can tell.

>>19568004
This is not true.

うーむ

>>19568024
what's the difference between your interlanguage and your comprehension

>>19568004
i doesn't represent anything at all
someone else's post below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfhiGoeflkE#t=50m
Timestamp: 50 minutes
It might be somewhere else but that's somewhere he explains
>i+1 is a thing that happens when you consume comprehensible input that contains anything you're still learning.