/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19837802

i was so scared that djt was gone for good this time

itd be sick if the op would just not make the thread and everyone could learn japanese instead

↑ epic rhyming skills ↑

I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

first time nihongoer here hows my scanlation

>>19838903
better than most

>>19838903
me on the right

>>19838952
my right or your right

なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>19838970
yes

>>19838983
season 2 of your anime called

>>19838994
What do they want?

>>19838983
I missed these.

>>19838999
they just wanted to let you know they exist

>>19838983
i already gave up long ago

the true key to success is to just not lose the game

i lost the game

>>19838983
i will never give up

>>19838983
what is this anyway so i can watch it
>>19839039
what is this anyway so i can never watch it

>>19839044
girlish number and one man punch

>>19839044

>>19839039
>>19839049
low tier scrubs like you should be doing rtgay not posting in my thread

>>19839046
that guy is in opm? fuck i'm conflicted now

>>19839061
Yes, he fights that king naga and rides a bycicle

i have a feeling that today will be a good day

The Jews are the reason we haven't all learned Japanese yet.

>>19839092
when are you going to blame yourself instead of others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfdCeaKFMg#t=61

>>19839105
First time I heard TYOSiN music is kizumonogatari, then I became fan of him, i don't understand what he is saying in music but his songs are hype *fire* *fire* 100

>>19838890
what interview?

i will never understand how に works when it's not a location particle.

>>19839182
don't think just feel also 10000 hours

>>19839132
dont paste my yt comments

Is he right?

simple. it means "to"

e.g 友達に本を借りた。I borrowed a book to my friend.

>>19839182
just think of the person as a location lmao ez stuff

ignore the image

わたしはゲイになった

matt is a うそつき dont listen to him。 he just wants that patreon 金

>>19839204
wait is it really this simple? I was confused reading the DoJG entry but I'm a retard so

yoshi time for reading

>>19839223
hes not lying you just have to look at the logic

>>19839229
no it encompasses a few things that in a eop point of view wouldnt exactly go together for a single word as it were

>>19839199
if you hide the name i can't check if he's native vetted

>>19839235
yoshi time for shitposting

>>19839199
I have been seeing anime for over 6 years, I most certainly have seen more than 10000 hours of anime, do I still need to wait on that 1 year?

>>19839244
The first guy you can clearly read mattvsjapan

>>19839182
it's probably best to memorize how each particle is used with each verb. the textbook translations like "to" don't always hold true. but it usually has a sense of "pointing" behind it.

Xになる becomes X
Xに言う to say to X
AをBにする to make A B (lit. to do A to B)

so i started learning japanese again. i warm up with a shit load of flash cards, then i take "actual lessons". and attempt to apply it without assistance.

>>19839199
p*ypigs are never right

>>19839272
"the again" is referring to i stopped learning jap and focused solely on learning to draw anime. now ive decided im doing both. it sounds like a great deal of dedication but i'll see through it to the very end.

>>19839182
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgbasic.html#basicに(7)

below (7) is a diagram of all the multifarious things that に means

>>19839272
>then i take "actual lessons"
how much are you going to spend because everyone knows that's what it comes down to on learning japanese

>>19839199
Matt's theory sounds plausible but I feel like people who read and have poor accents can fix it, because I think anyone past the age of the critical period are going to have similar results no matter what order they try to learn and develop their accent. And if you point to people with poor accents who learned via reading, that doesn't contradict my claim. These people often just don't care about their accent. I did say "no matter what order they try to learn and develop their accent", so I'm specifically comparing people who care about their accent.

I know his counterargument is that people who read early develop their own incorrect pronunciation which requires more effort to overcome than if they had just learned it more properly initially. But then my counter is that people who read will learn the language faster and have more time to devote to accent and listening. It's all just theory. Again, he could be right but I see no reason why it's likely.

>>19839265
それに対してall you gotta do is look at the logic bro

>>19839321
preferably less than 3000.00$ should my self-discipline suffice.

>>19839325
honestly its better to talk like you than talk like youre impersonating some half anime half 3d person like matt

>>19839325
my opinion is that only listening is also a risk to your accent. if you don't know what the sounds are supposed to be, you're going to mishear a lot. obviously there are things you learn from listening like contractions and sound changes, but there are also cases where if you don't know what to listen for you're going to think you heard something else
but most importantly it doesn't fucking matter because the risk isn't that big in the first place, if you use a healthy balance of media it's not an issue

>>19839325
anyone who has successfully defeated the japanese bosses of fluent comprehension and fluent production will have a trivial time clearing the extra boss of pronunciation simply by doing literally nothing other than consuming japanese audio content

if you're optimizing for the third boss at the very outset you're probably wasting your time

>>19839351
trying to "develop an accent" is ridiculous. its like a non-cow boy trying to talk like a cowboy. or a new yorker talking like a texan.

>>19839365
then again i could just cite dr house and call it a day because that mofo owned at it

>>19839347
honestly i don't know if that's enough but here's the game plan i would follow with that budget
set aside $1800 and jump on the remaining slot in matt's $100/mo patreon tier for 18 months, as a bonus you'll get to skype with him monthly and he's native-vetted so it's like practicing with a native except he also is a language learning expert
with about $400 you can buy enough copies of rtk to eat for at least a year and really get that kanji inside your body
finally $720 will get you 18 months of lingq's plus tier and that money goes to steve kaufmann so what else needs to be said
you can spend the remaining $80 on compelling content, you're not going to need much for those first 18 months

you guys ever listen to stuff for practice that you absolutely despise? i'm watching karaki jouzu no takagi and can't stand it but i'm not a quitter

>>19839392
no i turn that shit off and listen to something else what the heck

maybe you could go watch the tv specials for that show instead since the show is sorta sappy but takahashi rie is funny

2018 no one has fun anymore and just does retarded shit because their fun sensors got infected with internet aids

I haven't had fun on an imageboard in at least three years but I keep spending all day browsing them.

>>19839403
the only japanese content i consume anymore is twitter shitposts and mobile game scripts

i'm dead inside

>>19839388
you sound like you have a good deal of knowledge with little information given for context. i trust your judgement my friend thank you i'll work on learning the basics an attempt to make the transition...when i get enough shekels.

if you guys need to get some extra change to pay for your japanese education might i recommend patreon its easy to sign up and people will just give you money because it helps them validate their existence

its really neat check it out

yosh time to buy back my gpu and arcade stick

MY GOAL OF UNDERSTANDING IDOL SHOWS WILL SOON BE FULFILLED! WAIT FOR ME 松村沙友里！！！

holy shit before calvin learns japanese he needs to get on some cardio lmao

kid gets out of breath just talking after 30 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRpQ9i1ksk8

remember to use the 2x speed option on ajatt/mia videos

a year of ajatt and he'll be reading circles around djt

>>19839461
I love that book. Right on son.

>>19839515
me too its really fun to hold and take selfies with and just enjoy the cover of

honestly i feel so good just having it i havent even opened it yet

>that guy that actually makes the little curve in い

so whos gonna be here in 2020 to see if calvin makes good on his promise to be "fluent in japanese" or if he just buys back his video game toys and just resigns himself to a life of fun

>>19839521
this is like me with learning japanese. rtk is just so fun i haven't gotten around to it.

aint nobody leavin this here thread

I left this thread
just dropping back in for a second to say I left

not alive anyways

>>19839491
anyone following this guy, why is he starting tae kim now, was he doing rtk before

>>19839550
itsudemo matteru yo

ganbare

Even a morbidly obese gorilla knows more Japanese than you lmao.

oh god i just had a really epic premonition

in 2 years it wont be that toilet hair fag shitting on nuke marine in a skype call itll be calvin

https://streamable.com/2pkxr

actually hold up itd be like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcM9kCZt9o8#t=4373

>>19839593
why does yoga pants act like that?

>>19839593
The second-hand cringe is too much, I could only watch for about a minute before closing the video.

>>19839593
you cringe you win

>>19839604
i dont know dude maybe one of yall knows his story but all ive seen is that hes a epic fag who sucks just as much ass as the rest of them

>>19839604
Autism. Pretty obvious.

>>19839579
calvin's too nice to do that intentionally but it could happen on accident

>>19839628
nah dude once you immerse for a couple weeks the conceit comes calvins gonna start swaggin all over the fuckin place really throwin his weight around watch out

>>19839634
i'll take your word for it

まぁちょっとなんかちょっとまぁ

>今までに ないほど
Can I get a quick translation for this clause? I have a lot of trouble with ほど and would like to check my understanding here.

>>19839663
i mean just look at when people start fightin in djt its not hard to see

>>19839675
please write simpler japanese i'm not ready for this kind of native-level shit

>>19839678
i feel like if you understand everything before the hodo then the hodo is easy to understand

>>19839678
the extent that its never been until now

Let's not bully Calvin. I want him to succeed.

>>19839491
Thanks for the link. Looks like he deleted his old channel because it had AJATT in the name instead of MIA.

>>19839565
He did RTK for awhile, quit, started it again, quit again, then was thinking about quitting Japanese altogether but decided to rededicate himself to MIA. I haven't watched the new video yet though.

>>19839689
i guess ill supplement it with a little more clarity which is i think your space you inserted there is ill placed and youre tripping yourself up

calvin is the embodiment of djt fat bald a nigger and will never be good at japanese

>>19839700
The space was a typo when I was copy-pasting in it, but thanks.
>>19839690
>>19839689
Alright I think I get it now, thanks

>>19839699
its 15 mins of nothing and at the end he says hes gonna be fluent in japanese in 2 years and this is a new beginning blah blah blah the perfect kind of guy matt wants to be getting money from

>>19839506
Agreed. AJATTers are the slowest talkers in the world. Most videos I can only do 1.5x, but all AJATT videos can be done at 2x. I wish Youtube went to 3x.

>>19839608
I watched the whole thing. It was very difficult and I paused many times.

>>19839702
you must mean the int djt this is the djt for cut fabio lookin ass beautiful men who all know japanese and have known it for a long time and we just come here to let off steam from the stresses of our daily japanese lives and just have a good time

>>19839731
yeah of course that was implied

>>19839736
you still cant say the n word tho mane

>>19839741
its ok i know someone whos 2 percent black were cool

>>19839746
are they gonna come here and get up on this cross and die for your sins? you better call em

>>19839751
jesus already died for my right to use slurs over the internet

>>19839593
I mean, chotto, this was a... nanka... pretty, anoooo... bad video but... nanka... I can understand why, ano, yogapants acts the way he... chotto... does. nanka, do you, ano, know what... chotto... autism is?

seriously youre right calvins a good boy lets not make jokes about him

yoga pant needs a spankin tho

actually we need to have nuke chan challenge yoga pant to a rap battle grudge match

and i wanna coach nuke to spit it like em at the end of 8 mile lol

>>19839772
don't you think he needs to learn japanese before you can coach him

>>19839782
im sure nuke can manage hearing it hes done like 10 years of listening passively to terrace house he just needs a ghostwriter and a vocal coach

>>19838821
A good way to learn jananese (or any idiom) is to transform incomprehensible content in comprehensible content.

>>19839809
whys trunks have brown hair

>>19838821
Translating any japanese games with furigana is a big help. Writing down this phrases and translating it.

>>19839809
>>19839825
but thats all text no one actually reads they all just skip it thats what a reputable polyglot author said on youtube

>>19839835
link me

i dont got it just look for jorge playin dragon quest and reading along then goin you know no one reads this crap anyway haha buy the book

>>19839872
wait you mean jorge from japanese from negative one

>>19839880
more like japanese to negative one

>>19839809
>>19839825
been wanting to play this. are the gaps between reading bad? (example do you have to level for 3 days before being able to continue reading?)

>>19839880
yea that jorge

Which manga does DJT recommend reading for a beginner?

>>19839984
GJ部

>>19839984
Manga isn't reading.

>>19839984
ip man 3

>>19839988
Looks good. I'll try it out.
>>19840019
Looks good, but not a manga.
>>19840014
You're not reading.

>>19839984
>>19840038
shit i bet he aint

Which manga tastes best?

>>19839199
Dogen did something like that and he is way better than Maatto

>>19839199
>You can't fix an accent
I can't believe people actually believe this.

>>19840076
all manga taste like shit

>>19838983
お帰りなさい、勇者ちゃん。

>>19840107
>he thinks voice actors are born with all their character voices

>>19840121
You're agreeing with me, right? I said that even if you speak from the start and have a bad accent, you can fix it later.

>>19840135
i agree with you. i was quoting them. it might take some work to fix, but it's definitely fixable.

>>19839061
>that guy is in opm?
He's not a main character. He's a really weak hero who's only really useful for rescuing cats of out of trees, but he has a strong sense of justice so even when he knows he has no chance of winning he will still try to take on really strong monsters that have wiped out numerous high-ranking heroes already.

>>19840117
女は勇者にはなれませんよ
女は家の中で残って然るべき

>>19839044
>what is this anyway so i can watch it
結城友奈は勇者である

Is Steven Seagal the only western celebrity who can actually speak nihongo?

>>19839199
You'd think after having to back-peddle on his RTK advice that he would've changed, but I guess Matt still hasn't learned his lesson about making authoritative statements based on theories he just pulled out of his ass which sounded good to him at the time.

ぎょにそたべたい

>>19840086
he took classes which of course involved reading, he just decided to "focus" on watching the same movie dozens of times and shadowing the lines without actually understanding them so that he could "sound native"

>>19840212
it's his job to pull authoritative statements out of his ass, he's a professional now

>>19840205
Edward Norton is an otaku twink, he speaks it.

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I am considering about taking the n2 test this year, but i don't know if i have the level required for it.
Is there any test to know if i'm ready?
I know beetween 2000 and 2100 kanjis, but it's because until know i have put kanji and vocabulary as my main focus and let grammar on the side.
I already know about the tests on the jplt site but i have done them so much i almost know all the questions.

Is Yomichan what everyone uses nowadays?

>>19839984
Manga isn't reading buddy.

>>19840308
Try searching for some practice tests. I know they sell them somewhere, and I think I've seen some pirated copies. Can't remember what they are called.

>>19840308
vocaroo this and the great elders of djt will evaluate your skill for free

Matt【VS】Japan


@mattvsjapan
Sep 6
More
It totally depends on one's goals. For most people, a 50/50 ratio will probably be an ideal balance. For people who truly want a native accent, I recommend avoiding all reading for the first year.

well looks like im done reading time to post

>>19840497
you should just hold off on learning japanese for 2-3 years until matt changes his mind six more times and settles on the true master plan, you wouldn't want to permanently damage your nihongo ability would you?

>>19840497
>Really need to use the toilet, physically painful
>Ask someone すみません、トイレ　どっちらですか？
Fuck fuck fuck, it's over for me.

Should I do cloze-deletion or recognition?

>>19840594
I've never done cloze-deletion so I can't say whether it's good or bad or worth its time, but recognition has been working for me even without flashcards.

>>19840594
cloze is a bad meme

>think I'm pretty good at japanese
>open manga
>only main character's name has furigana
>can't read the names

>>19839199
>Source: Dude trust me

Anyway it isn't a problem if you've watched over 1000 hours of animu. You can just read read it in the voice of an anime girl.

>>19840655
Just look up the names once and you're done.

>>19840594
neither.

I hear that matt is actually jamal, confirm?

>>19840575
トイレは

かりるものだよ

かえさないけど

>>19840594
Try both if you're unsure. A separate month trial for each should be enough to get a feel for which approach is worth using.

How does 死にたい + み work?

>>19841068
drop the i and add mi to turn it into a noun and make it sound cute
only used by kawaii onna no ko

>>19841116
That's what I thought but according to this site you can't use み with たい for that purpose: http://maggiesensei.com/2017/04/17/the-difference-between-さ-み-sa-mi-suffixes-to-make-a-noun/

Is maggiesensei just full of shit?

>>19841144
maggie is a fucking hag

the mi in this case is how the millennial thots are using nowadays
https://kotobaken.jp/qa/yokuaru/qa-34/

>>19841144
That's exactly what makes it sound cute and childish.
Like how anime girls refer to themselves in third person to sound cute.

>>19841068
かなしい
かなしみ

うまい
うまみ

あいまい
あいまいみー

>>19841144
not really, but all grammar advice is has to be taken with a big grain of "people will still screw with this rule on purpose"

https://youtu.be/Zdgw1HSG8qA

I'm starting to enjoy learning Japanese. What the fuck is happening to me, bros?

>>19841068
kanasimi wo yasasisa ni

>>19839772
https://youtu.be/cbWCoHkRWwM?t=14m50s
Gonna have to put in serious work. Nuke couldn't even pull this lame ass rap off.

>>19841307
hoo sono pawaawoodo suko

Anyone else feel like caffeine negatively impacts their learning?

The tolerance I've developed to it because of consuming it for such a long time means it really doesn't do anything for me anymore, no matter how much I drink... but it's worse than that, because I've also developed a dependency on it meaning I have to drink it just to feel normal, and as soon as the initial effect (which isn't even noticeable anymore) wears off I feel really tired and can't concentrate properly. Basically, whereas in the beginning I felt normal most of the time and got a rush when I drank caffeine, now I feel tired most of the time and only feel normal (for a very brief period) when I drink caffeine.

Think I'm gonna try quitting and see if my energy levels balance out a bit. Hopefully I don't go from feeling tired most of the time to feeling tired all of the time.

>>19841485
I ain't reading all that shit, but I can tell you're a dame ningen.

>>19841514
>ain't reading
Your following Matts teaching I see.

>>19841485
if you retype this post in nihongo i'll read it

>>19841546

^ koitu mecya triggered

>>19841710
>cya
*tya

>>19841735
anata wa nihongo ga dekimasen (warau)

do you guys think Matt reads actual novels that often?

he doesn't strike me as a reader desu

>>19841743
穴田輪下意出巣

>>19841756
>Matt
>reads
wat

>>19841757
気味子祖

>>19841756
I think I recall him saying in a youtube comment in one of his videos essentially saying that he doesn't like literature at all and has only read some real basic shit like Murakami and not gone too much further than that.

>>19841757
ketutarinsitakasyutusu

>>19841756
He has a video where he shows his book collection, though he's made it unlisted for some reason. Here's the link:
https://youtu.be/qAP9YDeEsnk

>>19841485
Yeah, caffeine addiction sucks from my experience as well. The worst thing about it is how it keeps you "awake" but not exactly attentive/productive, so you would feel tired but not be able to go to sleep for instance.
Try going without any coffee for at least a few days, go to bed early so as not to feel absolutely awful during the day and only take coffee when you want that "boost".

>>19841756
He says he reads frequently and he has a video dedicated to how novels are the best way for an intermediate/advanced to improve their vocab.

>>19841786
Very lame. Would not make friends with matt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

always remember this

>>19841792
the only thing worse than a huge post I wouldn't read is another one as a reply to it.

>>19841756
>>19841776

I found the comment I was talking about.

Looks like he has read some books but doesn't like literature, and thinks Murakami is good.

Is it just me or do the kana sound different on their own and when used in different words?

https://youtu.be/wqqHz85L0-E

>>19841864
He's used at least two HxH thumbnails. At least he's a man with taste.

>>19841826
OK kiddo

>>19841877
Would a man with taste wear glasses like those?

I don't know much about HxH but the glasses are neat stuff.

Not sure if I'd call him a man of good taste after looking at his book collection though.

pls gob monie
t. m*tt

>>19838983
I don't even know what this means. The fuck is なせば
I can't even read your encouragements, I'm doomed to fail.

>>19841830
is matt esl?

>>19841930
マットは典型的なネイティブスピーカーですよ

>>19841864
>the lighting
>the cool music
>those glasses
This is pure matt kino

>>19841930
His English is bad enough that you'd think so.

>>19841954
ぜんぜん

>>19839204
No you fucking idiot. In this case it means "from".

>>19841757
僕はゲイではありません。これだけははっきりと真実を伝えたかった

>>19841914
Conditional form of なす（為す）
The original saying is 為せば成る but they put in 大抵なんとか to make it less certain.
The definition on wiktionary is やってみれば、意外とできるものである
If you try, it'll usually probably work out.

>>19841967
ゲイなんてないからゲイじゃない、ですか
基本的に、観念的に

>>19841967
>>19841972
stop permanently crippling my japanese

>>19841987
新たな本を読め

>>19841993
―ばいい

>>19841993
>>19842000
alright you've done it now, my japanese has been permanently crippled

妹の穴をちゅうしたい

>>19842014
ぷっ

>>19842021
now nip has really been permanently crippled.

>>19842014
yosimaru wa iizo

亜意　亜無　下意

How did anything get done before typing was invented? Like the amount of time it takes to write out one or two kanji you can write whole sentences out in that same time frame and get more information across. How did anything get done in japan or china for that matter?

>>19842128
They wrote kanji super fast and it looked like a mess.

>>19841485
Caffeine has been proven in experiments to negatively impact learning if used often. Using it once in a blue moon when you're feeling sluggish seemed to be ok though.

lol i bet "proven" is n=40. god what a joke of "science".

What's worse, getting your immersion ruined or your Japanese crippled?

>>19842170
epic memes broski, your n=1 is much better roflcopter

心

心臓

>>19842186
nothing is as bad as reading English or listening to English

>>19842211
What is really stupid I see in games where the english dub still tries to say shit in japanese. That irks me the most. What is even the point of going dub at that point.

Here's 2 important words for you to add to your Anki Pokemon collection:

マン屁
タダマン

No need to thank me, you can pay me in Matt patreon subscriptions instead.

>>19839928
dragon quest games you can read a lot in the towns, and the gap between reading is very short.

>>19842238
I feel sorry for people who mine shit like that.

>>19841333
we can rebuild him we have the technology

>>19841864
you can see his notes hes looking at reflected in his sunglasses that hes wearing indoors in his bedroom in his moms house while asking people on the internet to give him money

>>19842186
immersion easily

>>19842238
man I fucking hate it when yomichan doesn't have audio for words

what's a light novel comparable in difficulty to a VN from a guide like this?

prove to me you can handle text only anything

>>19842561
As the kind of shitter that would benefit from an inforgraphic like this, Leyline can probably get marked with a yellow X as well.

>>19842628
i can't even handle VNs but if i just keep looking up everything and immersing in audio every day surely i'll get better right?

if you have something specific you really wanna attempt to read its fine to suffer through it otherwise stick to media that has sound and/or pictures to go along with the words for a while and this is after you should have watched 10000 hours of anime

>>19842658
that's the ajatt algorithm and it's worked for lots of people

dottikano yoru wa hiruma

>>19842750
which they will frequently remind you of (in English)

kinda like how djt says reading works while posting in english

heh fucking owned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN5FmN3fOe4

just read 1 of uncle jamals dude you cant go wrong

>>19842813
would you rather them post in shitty japanese and ruin your input?

>>19842843
which of the ones in the beginning tier is your favorite?

>>19842857
And please don't say Aqua Blue

日本語の本を読むと日本語覚が上手になるよ??

>>19842873
はい

>>19842857
>>19842871
4 way tie between canvas2 lamune to heart and nursery rhyme

honorable mention aqua blue

>>19842843
all the beginner either seem incredibly gay or are from 1997

>>19842923
youre from 1997

>>19840402
https://vocaroo.com/i/s10p7li6YrXK

>>19842927
that's true

and I'm almost 30 years old

feels bad

>>19842935
i appreciated this keep gambaruing

>>19840308
still no answer

>>19843012
download one of the shin kan zen master books from the cornucopia and look through the test questions in the back. if that shit is too easy then youre good to take the test.

>>19843026
Thanks gonna download it, is there any correction to the question in the book?

>>19843037
yeah it will have answers in the back for you to grade yourself. the reading comprehension book is kinda nice. it just confirms if youre really understanding what youre reading by asking you questions about the passages

>>19842638
leyline is incredibly fucking easy though

That VN fags talk about difficulty as opposed to literally any real quality people actually read things for is telling just how shit the vast majority of the medium is. moot should have never allowed VNfags to fester on /jp/; they should have been forced to use any of the other shitty boards for video games with the other autistic faggots.

>>19842561
キノの旅 gets recommended a lot as an easy LN. I was actually planning on starting reading it today, so if you still haven't given it a try in a few hours time I'll post my thoughts about the difficulty level of it then.

/jp/ should've never existed. All thread's subjects fit some other board

>>19843054
As for me, Yotsuba gets a red X

と思う

>>19843091
are you lost?

>>19843091
same

What kanji flashcards should I buy?

>>19843127
キモい

>>19843203
the good ones

>>19843091
but vns aren't games

>>19843091
you're confusing people who want to learn via VNs with people who are VNfags.

>>19843203
the ones above 50$

>と思います

how do I get an Anki deck into a txt file, but without those gay tags, just plain words?
I have 2 decks and I want to check for duplicates among them and add only the cards that aren't already there
I have core deck and Yotsubato vocab deck, and I don't know how to go about this shit - I don't want duplicates, best thing would be tagging words that are in both decks

Can someone help me understand this one sentence?

何年経って0時忘れるな

Literally it'd be "After all these years passed, don't forget about 0 o'clock.", but does that even make sense? Feels like I'm misunderstanding something here.

>>19843512
I don't think language is the problem here.

>>19843512
You sure it’s not 経っても

>>19843542
Oh shit.

何年経ってもわたしはゲイ

>>19843322
the line there is more blurred than you think

>>19843503
use an export to csv addon in anki. find and replace the tag names with ''

>>19843679
People who care about visual novels start trying to read them in Japanese and need easy ones because they don't know Japanese. Visual novels suck but your fucking retarded.

>>19843740
wait aren't you agreeing with him

>>19843740
what im saying is theres people who cant read them and just enjoy being in the vicinity of them and regurgitating memes about them

also sure vns are fuckin trash but i still love the ones i love : )

*learns japanese*
*starts balding*
*starts to piss in jugs*

bottom line is that those who read VNs are subhuman trash.

>>19843768
the next step is to poop in a bucket

>>19843768
You have the order reversed for me.

>>19843773
thats true but not because of your opinion but because its by design quite literally ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19843779
are you really learning japanese so intensively that you don't have time to go to the bathroom? You know the 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

>>19843814
>You know the 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

Oh boy... It's always sad when you find somebody who is definitely not gonna make it, yet doesn't realize it yet.

>You know the 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

>>You know the 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

>>19843826
I mean honestly like 1k hours is enough

>>19843838
you're never going to know japanese

you missed a zero between the 1 and the k

not gonna make it

>>19843763
People discuss which visual novels are easy because they don't know Japanese not because visual novels are bad(though they are bad). That's my only point.

>>>You know the 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

No point in watching anime after you start learning anyway, it only gives you a somewhat decent starting point

>>19843838
I'm at 2.5k and although it benefits my studies, it wouldn't have hurt to have watched more. Git gud and be less casual

>>19843857
visual novels are fun. you should try one some time

>>19843838
you won't know japanese by watching 200 12 episode anime series. Many people have watched that many series and don't know japanese

>>19843876
There are also many people who have watched 2k+ shows and don't know any japanese

>>>>You know the watch 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

>>19843838
It depends, If you watch them with English subtitles and aren't concentrating on what is being said then no amount is gonna make you fluent.

It's still gonna help somewhat thou.

>>19843871
I'm learning with them and part of why I started learning Japanese is because they are fun and let me escape my loneliness.

>>>>>You know the 10000 hours of anime is just a meme right?

>>19843838
I've watched 2000 hours of anime and I'm still shit. Though most of that was with English subs before I started learning Japanese.

>>19843832
>>19843837
>>19843859
>>19843893
>>19843904
Nice meme

https://youtu.be/iTjOhxaUG38?t=18s

>>19842935
nice voice dude, you remind me of myself

intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor

>>19842935
your pitch accent needs some work though if you care about that

>>19843913
no you want english subs its what makes the incomprehensible comprehensible

dont freak out when the spergs tell you oh the subs are trash and not right or w/e it literally doesnt matter when you start learning japanese

>>19844045
Not much help before you start learning, though, that much is true

tae kim
>Expressing multiple reasons using 「し」
dojg
>A conjunction to indicate ‘and’ in an emphatic way. And what’s more; not only ~ but also ~; so

so which one is it?

>>19844056
no it does help just on a subconscious level

>>19844045
>no you want english subs its what makes the incomprehensible comprehensible
I didn't find that it worked that way for me. I had somewhere close to 2k hours of anime under my belt when I started learning Japanese, and all I got out of it was a few "oh, so that's what that means" moments when reading Tae Kim. That said, a ton of the stuff in Tae Kim's guide made absolutely no sense to me and no matter how much I though about it I couldn't understand it. My listening comprehension was and remains quite poor as well.

>>19844066
Not if you aren't paying attention to the Japanese. A lot of weeaboos don't and so they don't know a lick of it even after thousands of cartoons.

i mean if you dont pay attention to the japanese and start subconsciously associating phraseology and the "grammar stuff" aka the sounds to ideas that you read from the subtitles on a subconscious level then lmao thats your own issue

>>19844116
not just the subtitles but the on screen visuals too and paying attention to tone of voice all that shit it all matters

size always matters

>>19844116
>>19844122
and then most importantly youre not even paying attention to all that shit because you want to "learn japanese" youre just doing it because thats how you engage with the media to enjoy it

i just realized should i write a how to watch anime guide for the new anime 10kers???

it seems like in 2018 kids dont know how to watch anime

>>19844157
it could go right next to the new grammar guide in the op

oh now I see the point in sentence mining. right now I'm barely making it through like 20 sentences an hour and those sentences aren't really that similar so I don't feel like I'm getting exposed to enough material frequently enough to internalize any of it. if i were sentence mining and doing anki i'd be strengthening my fundamentals for material that is at least somewhat comprehensible. really weird that a couple people here shit on sentence mining so much. they're probably already fluent, where sentence mining is going to be less useful for them.

>>19844178
the problem is i think as soon as someone wants to "learn japanese" they are permanently crippled not even joking

>>19843698
and then what?

I have 2 decks: core2k and yotsubato
HOW do I tag in core2k the words that have duplicates in the yotsu deck? they have different card types so I can't really replace them
is there any fucking way

Where do you guys get your VNs?

I download them from the internet

I really like this kanji 宿

Where in the internet?

>>19844304
fandc.co.jp

how do you install VNs?

>>19844358
Insert the CD-ROM and follow on-screen instructions

>>19844304
Nyaa is the best place to check (search the Japanese title, not the English translation/romanization).

A lot of torrents will say they have no seeds when they actually do because all the tracker info was lost when old Nyaa died. You can check the column to see how many complete downloads there have been of each torrent since Nyaa was resurrected which may give you an idea of how well seeded they are, but only way to tell for sure whether a torrent is seeded or not is to try downloading it and leave it running for a few days. If you haven't managed to download any data for that torrent after a week or two then it's probably dead.

>>19844358
set the disk in the fdd and run the exe

I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

>>19844358
Set your system locale, time and date format (yes, this is important too), etc. to Japanese, then mount the .ISO/.MDF/whatever file with WinCDEmu and run the installer if it doesn't start automatically. Once the installer is running, it's usually just a matter of clicking next a few times.

If you're on Linux, check the resources guide (live google docs version) for info about Wine and VMs.

Any good onomatopoeia dictionaries? I know some English ones but they often lack a lot of them.

>>19844412
If you're on w10 you don't even need external programs to mount ISOs

>>19844364
>You can check the column
Fuck, just noticed 4chan ate the character I typed there.

Pic related. This column.

i still had to use that sheep one for win10 because win10 didn't support mounting the required file

>>19841485
>>19841792
>>19842143
The nice thing about caffeine dependency is that the detox period is pretty short. Taper down and quit and then you should be fine after a week. If you actually have bad ADHD symptoms, it's probably better to get a low dose prescription stimulant like adderral than try to use caffeine.

>>19844422
I don't think it supports anything except .iso files, I had to use wincdemu for .mdf and .bin/cue

>>19844449
Yea but most VNs come in ISO form anyway unless you're getting older stuff

>>19838833
first bubble is something like "It's your first day so do your best!"

then something like "after this we'll have sex" ?

>>19844461
that be exactly what i'm doing buddy

quote this page: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles

>*Warning: This may make things seem like you can replace any arbitrary nouns with 「の」 but this is not so. It is important to realize that the sentence must be about the clause and not the noun that was replaced. For example, in the last section we had the sentence, 「学生じゃない人は、 学校に行かない」. You may think that you can just replace 「人」 with 「の」 to produce 「学生じゃないのは、学校に行かない」. But in fact, this makes no sense because the sentence is now about the clause “Is not student”. The sentence becomes, “The thing of not being student does not go to school” which is complete gibberish because not being a student is a state and it doesn’t make sense for a state to go anywhere much less school.

So what makes that example different from this one, also from the same page:

>白いのは、かわいい。
>Thing that is white is cute.

>>19844385
lmao, imagine rigorously grinding Japanese textbooks, grammar rules and Anki cards for multiple hours every day year after year, ignoring all temptations and fun so you could reach your goal if only a second faster, only to discover on arrival in Japan that despite your good test scores you can't actually speak Japanese. Then you hear that some people just had fun. Yes, fun. At first they sucked, but they didn't care because they had fun. They improved slowly, but they didn't care because they had fun. And then before they knew it they had reached fluency, because they had fun.

Just how seething would you be?

>>19844501
i'm confused as to why he keeps posting that, because there's nothing wrong or unbelievable about "learning from kids". not sure if anon agrees or just finds the hostility of that post toward heisig funny.

>>19844475
It's actually not, it's just かわいい makes sense and 学校に行かない doesn't.

学生じゃないのは could come before something like かわいい and it would mean "the fact that (you/she/he/it) is not a student is cute"

as in "x not being a student is cute"

Tyler kim might be a hack.

>>19844475
it's so easy yet difficult to explain if you just don't get it..

白いのは、かわいい。 = the white one is cute
making up a general noun like "thing" or "one" in English
>学生じゃないのは、
if you put の in place of 人 it doesn't make sense, "a thing that isn't student"

put の for abstract things, don't replace things that are crucial to the sentence's meaning
if you just don't get it then move on and come back to it later

>>19844385
Wtf I hate RTK now.

>>19842143
Fuck. So all this time I've been permanently crippling my Japanese?

>>19844536
no, they're probably basing their opinions off shitty research that has small samples and even worse methodology with no controls. don't worry about it. small shit like caffeine doesn't matter. it's mostly to do with intelligence.

>>19844501
You can't even read english

>>19844525
>>19844526

That last description makes sense, thank you

>>19844558
seething?

>>19844569
no but what you wrote does not address that article extract in the slightest. I think you are projecting

how do you play VNs? the text is in japanese?

>>19844536
If Krashen recommends it it can't be that bad for you

>>19844464
今日も - today too
一日 - all day long
頑張るぞい - will do my ぞいing best

この後 - after this
滅茶苦茶セックス - 滅茶苦茶 is kind of awkward to translate, but in this case it would probably be something along the lines of "hardcore sex"
した - did
(^this part is a Japanese meme)

>"I'll do my best today as well!"
>After this she had hardcore sex.

>>19844616
>一日 - all day long
I believe you but this definition isn't showing up in Yomichan/JMDict. What gives?

>>19844616
>hardcore sex
as opposed to softcore sex or what? fucking retard

やる気がない

>>19844625
It shows up in Kenkyusha. No idea why it still hasn't been added to JMDICT.

>いちにち【一日】 (ichinichi)
>2 〔終日〕 all day (long); all through the day; the whole day; throughout the day; from morning to [till] night; (a)round the clock.

>>19844630
I don't know what else to translate it as in this case. What would you translate it as then?

>>19844633
>What would you translate it as then?
A lot of sex. I imagine it on the level of having sex all day long

>>19844625
>>19844633
Here's Kojien as well:
> 朝から夕までの間。終日。ひねもす。

>>19844630
t. I know all about sex from porn

>>19844655
>ひねもす
man

>>19844653
Ah yeah, that's probably better. Alright, ignore my shitty effort at translation.

妹が体で俺を滅茶苦茶にしてほしい

I don't even learn Japanese but I love lurking these threads for comfy ness

>>19844737
same

>>19844714

>>19844737
夕　亜ー　座　缶差ー　座っ都　意図　死田ぃん具　亜っ府　座ぃっ好　好令っ度

>>19844775
sotirakoso

I've studied for about 3 years, completed Genki 1+2, dabbled in Tobira, and feel pretty comfortable making small talk in Japanese.

I am a little bit nervous about the more functional things like: understanding directions, ordering food, checking into ryokan, etc. I know I DEFINITELY need to brush up on my Keigo vocab/patterns.

Please share some helpful words/sentence patterns that you've found useful when traveling to Japan!

>じゃないじゃない

>>19844808
わ　た　し wa GAY人
デ
　　ス

>>19844063
both

>>19844802
あの子は可愛い
顔に座ってほしい

>>19844813
それは変じゃないんじゃない

what is the djt approved way of watching anime

see the anime feel the nihongo

with your eyes and ears

>>19844849
$ mpv "$ANIME"
f
v

>>19844849
japanese subs or no subs

>>19844870
Not him but is there anywhere I can find currently airing shows with Japanese subs?

>>19844849
1 hand on my dick 1 hand posting on djt

>>19844892
yeah on japanese tv : )

>>19844849
for 10000 hours

>>19844892
You can find them on kitsunekko sometimes. Episodes 1 and 2 of Overlord's third season (currently airing at episode 8) are up, for instance.

If kitsunekko doesn't have them then you're probably out of luck though.

>>19844808
Studying directions and checking into hotels are great things to study. What I think will help the most is food-related vocabulary. See if you can find a list of foods in Japan and type them all into an image search engine. Bonus points for words that are used to describe those foods, such as how hard you want your ramen noodles.

>>19844931
Personally, I recommend learning people names as 99% of what you watch will have people in it.

At how many flashcards will I know japanese?

>>19844994
２００００

How do you go from advanced level to near-native? Is this even possible without living in Japan?

>>19845025
10000 hours of shitposting. Did the trick for me with English.
t. ESL

>>19844994
０
Anything over and your chances of knowing Japanese are ０.

>>19845025
jugs

>>19844915
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1739246

if you are so good at 日本語 why don't you just win this contest for best manga translation and get a trip to 日本?

>>19845356
>The best translator for each manga will win the First Prize Award—along with a prize valued at ¥50,000, and possibly the opportunity to translate the entire work as an official translator.
>A single Grand Prize Winner from the three individual First Prize winners will instead win a prize valued at ¥100,000—and an invitation to attend the award ceremony in Tokyo, with a free plane ticket.

Matt has a chance to show off and prove his skills in Japanese this time. Or maybe Nuke will pick the gaunlet?

>>19845356
I don't know English.

maybe i will dude and then not go because japans a shit hole lmao

>>19845356
because my english isnt as good as i want it to be

>First Prize winners for each work will be selected some time between January and early February 2019. All winning translators may receive job offers to translate the manga series from their entries, plus the opportunity to debut as a professional translator, and various other wonderful prizes! A single Grand Prize winner will be selected to receive all of the above, plus an invitation to attend the award ceremony in Tokyo, with a free plane ticket! When the winner is a group that consists of multiple persons, only one ticket will be given.

>>19845379
you can't speak Japanese if you don't know English well

>>19845389
man you really need to leave djt and go talk with like literally anyone irl

>>19845398
do you imply that I memed too hard?

nvm theres way too much formatting guidelines that i dont wanna read

だいじょうぶ

おにいちゃんなら

きっとできるよ

>>19845401
you need a good grip on reality otherwise you cant make good memes that properly straddle the line and arent too outlandish

>>19845402
you are not participating because you know you're not good enough, but why do you lie to yourself so much anon?

fuck it's official, it's by the Jap govna
I wish I had been learning Japanese for 3 years now so I could participate in this and get a comfy Western job and get to Tokyo, neither which is possible in Eastern shithole

>>19845419

>>19845413
umm i got the skills that already pay the bills why do i need to fuck around in a kids contest for a mere hunnid stack and a trip/job offer id decline

i tell you what you can do the formatting and ill just dictate the epic translation and you can go to japan but ill take the hunnid stack

>2 manga and 1 light novel
>all require same amount of pages translated

if we have 3 competent translators applying for each of the titles the one who will have translated the light novel must be the winner

>>19845430
all bark no bite.