/jp/ - Otaku Culture

First for /ourgod/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yo0pCdm3mM

>>20158412
Be he a badass geezer or a suave motherfucker in a suite, he's best god.

>>20158418
suit*

>>20158399
I want to rape Reinhard

>>20158412
Not my god, sorry

From which VN is Muzan from, again?

>>20158463
He's the Throne God during Paradise Lost.

>>20158463
His proper debut was in the new scenario, but we've kinda known about him since KKK.

>>20158446
loser god

Hirume love!

>>20158591

>>20158677
Did strands of hair rape your mother?

>>20158696
No, I did

>>20158716
Nazi Werewolf > Nazi Vampire

>>20158716
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PAOxoKASus

Access - My sin.

>>20158751
Reminder that we're getting this qt

>>20158801
I active effect viler.

>>20158399
Threadly reminder that Masada is a 14 year old.

>>20158897
We all are. mods don't ban me I'm joking

>>20158427

Ougon*

>>20158897
*14-years old God

>>20158924
Shura*

>>20158972
Moses*

Is Muzan Chaotic Good or Lawful Evil?

>>20159082
Both

>>20159082
Evil

>>20158972
Shurado Ougon Shikoten*

>>20159167
Nope. Shurado Shikouten is the name of his law, whilst his "name" is Shura. Kind of like how Eigo Kaiki (Eternal Recurrence) is Mercurius', whilst his "name" is Kichi.

>>20159190
Suigin*

>>20159190
You imply he doesn’t want to rape his law too

Muzan is weak

>>20159239
t. Hajun

>>20159190
>whilst his "name" is Shura. Kind of like how Eigo Kaiki (Eternal Recurrence) is Mercurius', whilst his "name" is Kichi.
Sure, only if you're a subhuman buddhist/nip/hindu/ and in that case Mithra's divine name isn't actually Shinga, it's Nigenron.
And Muzan isn't actually called Muzan, he's called Daten Naraku.
Satanael's divine name isn't Myoujou either, it's actually Hisouten.

>>20159239
t.Ougon

>Pantheon starts having alts
>alternate universe Wilheim spent most of the past decade on the internet
>craving is “I want to fill the world with Vampire Lolis”

>>20159239
t. Spinne

>>20159271
/ourguy/

>>20159271
>Not "I want to be a vampire loli"

>>20159190
Wait, are you sure? i thought Shurado Ougon Shikoten was the name of his Heaven/Throne.

Acording to the Phanteon pastebin.

>>20159435
anon is mistaking, what you read in the pastebin is correct.

>>20159435
He was refereed to as Shura in KKK, but that wasn't his actual divine name.

>>20159878
>Thruth

>>20159878
*Truth
*Fujii
*Satanael

>>20159878
Also Hajun's English divine name should be "The Evil One"

>>20159878
Thanks and good work anon.
But why do I see Eternal Moment or Ephemeral moment sometimes when referring to Ren?

>>20159878
Marguerite*

thingken of marguerite

>>20159901
His English name should be The Molested Child

>>20159918
I want to raise Hajun from the beginning

>>20159908
fucking and spending eternity with marie

>>20159932
t. Marie

>>20159932
>I want to rape Hajun from the beginning
Fixed

>>20159932
newfag here but what is a hajun? i dont trust vsbattles or any wiki in general for that matter

>>20160021
He is Spinne's bitch

What's Hirume's tax policy?

>>20160028
The guy on the bottom being ridden like Tao Pai Pai rides pillars. He’s a 14 year old boy who’s been touched by adults like Marie.

>>20159878
Shokou
The Dawn
Hirume
Shokou Yaoyorozu
Amaterasu
of Myriad Dawns

>>20160021
Start by reading Pantheon's pastebin in the OP.

>>20160035
Also my wife

>thinking of who would be in my ten favourite anime characters
>realise half of the list are from dies Irae
Say what you want about it, you can't deny that DI nailed it's character presentation.

>>20160077
Mine is El Hermano de Jiren

>>20160077
>thinking of who would be in my ten favourite anime characters
All mine are meme characters

>>20160103
I can bet megumeme is among those

>>20160110
Donovan is one of them

>>20157780
>Using parallel universes to ascend to the Throne in ParaLost
So, since before Snek ascended the Throne was composed of a single universe,this pretty much confirms there are/were indeed parallel universes outside the Throne's influence. I wonder if we're going to learm more about them in Pantheon.

>>20160120
I don't remembers if it was specifically "universes" but we already had higher/parallel "dimensions" in ParaLost.

>>20160149
Huh, so this whole thing about the 5 higher dimensional beings alongside Naraka didn't really come out of nowhere. Nice.

>>20159878
Are the Sephiroth correspondences confirmed or just speculation?

>>20160171
I remember it was said that Paradise Lost (the universe) was shaped like the kabbalah with each Sefirot being a different dimension, Malkuth is the Human World and Keter is the Throne, there is also the Qliphoth's dimensions being the Underworld/Hells/Abyss.
Someone correct me if I'm spouting bullshit please.
>>20160214
Speculation.

>>20160252
If it's just speculation, I'd venture to guess Amaterasu is Tiphareth because she's named after a sun goddess, that sphere is associated with the sun, and because it's considered by occultists the center-most sphere that is most connected to all the others, just as her Throne law incorporates all the other laws. Good call on Hajun as Geburah, though; I had thought that myself.

d-do you think that muzan had to go into space to complete his one man crusade?

>>20160278
Considering he took part in the largest scale conflict of all of Shinza so far, probably.

>>20160278
You ever get so mad you feel like genociding the entire universe?

>>20160278
>Greatest villain makes superweapons and shit go out of control
>Medieval fantasy wars becomes interstellar conflicts
>Wahman Yašt is M78 ultramen
>Top 3 Demon Kings are planet busters
>Then this purple guy with his big sword slaughtered the entire universe
?

>Evil is beautiful and alluring
>Good is ugly and corrupted
What is the reasoning behind this? I understand why evil always outnumbered good because it's far easier to do evil than good, but the first one just kind of seems like Mithra taking another shit on the good guys.

>>20158399
is this meant to be wilhelm?

>>20160355
It's Masada

>>20159894
Isn't Fujii the Romaji? Pretty sure the localization is Fuji.

Still unsure about Satanel/Satanael.

>>20160278
He's pretty much pic related if he was successful.

>>20160319
Man, when I first learned about the setting of the first Throne being medieval fantasy, I though it was a run-of-the-mill medieval isekai setting. Never would I have thought it was fucking Star Wars.

>>20158751
>>20158801
EOP here
who exactly is this girl

>>20160370
Medieval fantasy had some crazy shit.

>>20160364
Ne-losse Sa-ta-na-elu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVniWsVFtXI&t=291s
at 5:24

>>20159878
are there translations for the Heaven names?

>>20160373
Wilhelm's waifu

>>20159878
why does noone call him Mara

>>20160364

>>20160077
those two CGs on the bottom of Ren and Reinhard are the best in the game
change my mind

>>20160373
Claudia Jerusalem, Wilhelm's waifu.
>>20160389
Same reason nearly everyone call Snek Suigin instead of Mercurius.

>>20160389
Because they're too busy mourning Mara.

>>20160397
outside of fan nicknames, noone refers to them by their God names except Hajun
and Muzan, but his real name is unknown

>>20160388
>>20160397
I know she's from Ikabey and has a relation to her, but I'm more meaning what exactly is her role.

>>20160402
Methuselah always call him Suigin when they're together.

>>20160410
I'm talking about the fanbase, this general, etc

>>20159894
>>20159901
>>20160035
Thanks anons. Sorry for the typos.

>>20160437
could you share the spreadsheet?

>>20160353
Good question. Maybe it has something to do with Mithra's experiences in the great wars of the pre-Throne era?

Having selected new game and not picked any routes,do my choices not matter or do I have to be careful about what I pick?

>>20160437
I don't understand why Hajun should be translated as "The Evil One" since Dairokutenmaōhajun (from Oda Nobunaga) is redirecting at the demon (Mara) Papiyas?

>>20160437
I think Killer Demon or even Devil would fit better than The Evil One for Hajun.
>Hajun: 波旬 Devil, Killer Demon, Evil Spirit. A demon who destroys everything that is good. Usually refers to the demon "pāpīyas", who at the same time is conflated with the sanskrit word "māra" and the Devil King of the Sixth Heaven (which makes even more sense with Hajun, him being the Sixth Heaven of the Throne). A monster who tries to prevent humanity from attaining enlightenment.

>>20160452
Your choices will end you on a certain route. Play in the order of Kasumi > Kei > Marie > Rea or you'll ruin stuff for yourself.

>>20160464
>If you’re a first-time player, make absolutely sure to pick “New Game” on the left. If you pick any of the heroine buttons on the right, the game will lock you onto said routes regardless of your dialogue choices.
Why say that then, I should have just picked Kasumi.

>>20160470
No idea, seems pointless to me as well.

>>20160470
>>20160472
I think it’s becuse the guide relies on loading saves to cut down on time spend reading/skipping through the same scenes.

>>20160214
>>20160252
the Sephiroths come from here: https://ootoriarchives.wordpress.com/2018/06/05/that-day-will-bring-all-the-gods-together-dies-irae-pantheon-episode-0/

>>20159878
>True Name
>Mercurius
>Anon fell for it

Snek doesn't have a name.

>>20160505
His name is cuckold

>>20160437
Also atwiki listed Hajun's true name as "Mara Papiyas".
https://www10.atwiki.jp/god14/pages/27.html

>>20160319
>Greatest villain
Who?

>>20160543
Ask Masada, he said that in the latest stream.

Honestly the game translation has quite a lot of typos, it's really bothering me.

>>20160592
I thought they released a patch that fixed the typos?

>>20160595
I don't know, I'm using the dx package, isn't the patch included? Nothing is the pastebin either.

>>20160598
Also some voices are missing sometimes for some reason.

>>20160598
Actually I did some searching and found this: www2.light.gr.jp/data/kickstarter/patch.zip

I have no idea if it works though

>>20160642
Fixed the typos it seems, at least the one that made post, but now weird shit happens like entire dialogues being cut and cg not switching. But thanks anyway anon.

>>20160029
Flat.

>>20159463
It's Shuradou Ougon Shikouten in thr Pastebin but on KKK it's very clearly referred to as jusy Shuradou Shikouten.

>>20160543
His nickname mentioned in the Switch scenario is "Workshop of Annihilation". Another king of evil that was mentioned was Princess of Murder.

>>20160396
This CG exists.

>>20161221
that has top tier art (on par with the two I mentioned), but the ones I posted have much better story context to go with it
also IMO better characters too

>>20161221
Did anyone else not notice how similar Reinhard and Valeria looked? I only realized the shared body thing after details about the Divine Vessel was given.
Meanwhile my friend who hasn't played the VN thought Valeria was Reinhard when he first appeared on screen.

>>20161308
Not really, the few appearences you'd have of Reinhard by the time Valeria comes to play in the VN had pretty inconsistent art as we all know, so I didn't draw that conclusion. I just thought he's another example of the Japanese's stereotypical "arr doitsujin are kinpatsu" portrayal on germans and europeans in general and no resemblance was actually intended.

>>20161308
Did not think they had anything special to do with each other until the VN decided to spill some beans here and there, no. It's two blond dudes, whatever. Their voices weren't anything alike either of course.
Maybe if you showed me a picture of both before I actually sat down to read the VN, I might think that "just for fun". Like trying to predict some kind of twist.

>>20161348
>>20161327
Makes sense, my friend had seen a lot of Reinhard before but never saw Valeria until then.
I just wondered because I instantly saw the link between Snek and Ren (VA kinda gives it away), but when I tried finding a comparison for Rein I went straight to Shirou and didn't think about Trifa for ages.

When Machina tells Ren that he barely has similarities with Lotus, especially appearance, is that meant to be Machina's weird opinion, or is it implied that we're not shown exactly what Lotus looks like?

>>20161308
>>20161327
>>20161348
When I watched all the openings of Dies Irae prior to actually reading the novel, I thought that Reinhard was actually Valeria once awakened or some shit. Like he was hiding his powerlevel and was actually the big bad all along/had multiple personalities and one of them was the big bad (like with Jojo Part 5)

>>20161302
Valeria is the best character in the visual novel though. Every single scene with him while Lohengrin is blasting off in the background is kino as fuck.

>>20161804
>Schreiber is tearing Trifa apart
>suddenly "Then I shall corrupt the pentachroma!"
>Lohengrin starts playing and Schreiber starts screaming in pain
Fuck that moment was great.

Guys I have a confession to make. I really liked Kasumi and Kei's route.

I'm sorry, I know they were supposed to be shit, but I went into them in the recommended order and I thought they were massively entertaining from beginning to end, so I don't particularly agree with the VN having pacing issues.

Also I ocasionally rewatch bits of Rea's route like when Trifa, Lisa and Rusalka rebel against Reinhard

>>20161864
>Guys I have a confession to make. I really liked Kasumi and Kei's route.
Kei's route was better than Maries, and even among people who disagree with that I haven't seen any who'd call it shit. Kasumi's was the worst but it still had plently of good moments.

>Also I ocasionally rewatch bits of Rea's route like when Trifa, Lisa and Rusalka rebel against Reinhard
That's one of the best parts of the enitre VN so it's completely understandable.

>>20161864
Wasn't much of a fan of Kasumi's, mainly because it was short and more or less an infodump, and the ending was pretty meh plus I really hate how she gets shafted even in her own route, and contrary to the popular opinion, I like Kasumi, but I liked Kei's she's also my favorite girl. I know it isn't that good either, but I liked it.

>>20161864
The start is always good because you don't know anything about anyone.
It's the exact same thing in F/sn and the Fate route. If you enjoy powerlevel wankery to even a small extent, you get drip fed with information and surprises throughout.

>>20161864
>>20161882
>>20161886
I like the part in Kei's route where Reinhard and Mercurius disagree on something.

>>20161882
>That's one of the best parts of the enitre VN
Nah, the indisputed best scene of the VN is Shirou meeting Helga, the Albedos dueling and the triple climax of the fight.
Now that's a motherfucker of a part that'll stick with me forever in terms of just how awesome it was.

>>20161911
Nah, THIS is the undisputed best scene of the VN

>>20161922
>>20161911
You're both wrong

>>20161911
>>20161922
>>20162104
The entire Rea route was the best scene of the VN

>>20160642
>>20160598
Welp, I guess the only way the have the patched version is to buy the game, all others torrents but DX are from 2017 so not patched.

>>20162120
It's a damn shame such a fantastic route was given to such a bad girl.

>>20162485
She was best girl. Suck my dick.

>>20162485
Fuck off Snek.

>>20162485
Karl, shut up.

>>20162490
Her design is boring compared to the guillotine, the tsundere samurai and even bakasumi, not to count that her personality amounts to being a diluted Hachiman but with a vagina.
I seriously can't find any good reason for her getting such a bombastic route or even something to redeem her appeal as a heroine, or lack thereof.

>>20162526
We need to go wider.

Kei is Trifa's true daughter.

>>20162545

>>20162601
Ah, just like in my BL doujinshi.

>>20162539
>I seriously can't find any good reason for her getting such a bombastic route
Maybe because she's the most doomed of the heroines, and "romancing" her requires Ren to go to greater lengths than any of the rest?

>>20162539
Because actually getting into her panties requires you to go against Snek's script.

>>20162120
>>20162485
The only "boring" part of Rea's route is the first couple of hours.

>>20162539
Because she's there to strengthen the Snek x Reinhard ship that is the route's endgame by being Reinhard's granddaughter who's thirsty for Snek's son.

>>20162314
Try doing this, I did it last year, not sure if it still works:
Download the game free on steam and then copy over the contents of this mega to its folder.
https://mega.nz/#!dUV13BxA!yaU-9Ej08KVstiDMOrxe6jvkH10FsOjb9cm3WeJKwkY
You can then close steam and run it without it by clicking on malie.exe. You can also move the folder somehwere else if you want that.
All the routes should be unlocked and you can tell by them being orange in the route select menu rather than grey.
If the one from that link doesn't work, try this one:
https://mega.nz/#!Ygw2zL5I!mpWGQtD3TBd_G40CEB7JnVR4uJ7E3owm-jRpy_WQRsI

>>20162539
And I think you just don't understand anything.

>>20162539
Hooo boy, you should see Tokoyo. I can't post my favourite bit since it's in old speak. >>20162828
This is a good one.

Besides I like her SoL interactions and think she's a cutie and I want to squeeze her tiny frame in my arms whenever I see her.

Today is Masada's 14th birthday, say something nice about him.

>>20162921
Hassan, my son

>>20162954
bro, i beg you just refresh.

>>20162817
Hell yeah, worked perfectly, thanks a ton anon

>>20158399
Oh hay, finally:
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34098725

>>20161911
>undisputed
>picks 3 scenes that are barely popular
nice

>>20161864
I guess I'd say I don't like Kasumi's route, but human Shirou vs Wilhelm is in my top 3 fights of the VN.

>>20163249
Muzan's full nuclear was spicier than I thought, wish there wasn't commentary but the guy's reactions are pretty much the same as mine.

>>20163249
I barely understand this but I'm still watching the whole thing because of Ami Koshimizu narration.
I'll never get over them mascotifying her.

>>20163310
>>20163307
Hold out, a guy from vsbattles is about to upload the whole thing. WITHOUT commentary.

>>20163317
>The Savior who became God
At least he's not going to TL it.

>>20163317
Is there Spinne? Vsbattles loves Spinne.

>>20163317
>>20163327
It's also Desatir, not Desatile.

>>20163327
>>20163343
Well, I'll comment from time to time if I see anything interesting as well. When watching the other video, we get some exposition into the first heaven, and Kouha says she was born during it. So I'm looking to finally understand what went down in Paradise Lost.
russian kyoudai is that you?

>>20163343
Holy shit so that's what the second word was. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me, probably because I was looking for actual Zoroastrian stuff.

>>20163359
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasatir-i-Asmani
I mean it technically is

>>20163359
It's an actual Zoroastrian apocalyptic text.

It also took me a while to find the term anyway.

>>20163249
>>20163307
I'm loving the parallels between Muzan and Satanael. Also how all the throne gods up to Marie there were all their own kind of 'ok, your turn next'.

>>20163249
How one can download a video from nico nico?

>Zen'aku Nigen Shinga
So it was correct after all, nice.

>>20163383
From what I've read.
The scenario with Satanael and Snek in KKK played itself out twice before with Mithra and Muzan, and Muzan and Satanael. In other words they just willingly gave up without a fight.

>>20163317
Who is the savior?

>>20163440
shota otouto

>>20163444
I always knew I was God.

>>20163440
>>20163444
I think it's Kouha but otouto is such a fucking mystery. Masada said he's a ordinary guy, but how did he and Kouha meet? From the twitter videos, it seemed that Kouha has been in the same place for all the throne ages. And Kouha wants him to be an ordinary dude, does that imply he wasn't ordinary to begin with? I'm left with more questions and I want them answered goddamn it.

>>20163440
Probably Muzan

>>20163477
MC has the same Pantheon ability as Kouha, and look at their eyes, both of them have the same with irises unlike everyone else.

>>20163499

>>20163383
>>20163438
It's kind of funny to see Muzan like "Congratulations Nerose Satanael, now it's the time for you to create the utopia both you and me crave for".

>>20163510
>>20163499
oh shit senpai, what if they're actually siblings? still hot

>>20163477
Kouha is not a God

>>20163517
I-I don't think I even said that, I just said she might be the saviour referred to in the title, or maybe it's otouto-kun. But then again Kouha was born in the first heaven, and the title implies the saviour comes directly from the throne, well out right says.

>>20163515
And Satanael calling Muzan "father".

>>20163477
In context of the sidestory it does literally describe Kouha, but knowing that the protag will take over commanding Aeons despite Kouha's intentions for him and Mithra implying that she already had an expected outcome for Kouha's mission(that's likely negative), so it was most likely intended for otouto-kun to take over.

>>20163532
Well technically, the title says that the saviour had been passed through the thrones, not coming from it.

>>20163565
>神なる座に列し伝わる救世主
>座に列伝わる
Oh shit you right my dude, mind's a bit fried.

Kouha again says directly that Satanael's world was a dystopia.

>>20163587
Saltman overdoing it with the Mr. Clean act.

>>20163597
She also says that he was the most "godly" of the gods, in that he actually acted like one. So he probably intervened directly in the world affairs.

>>20163607
Pretty sure that was mentioned in Kajiri, as well.

>>20163607
Also Zoar was gradually updated like a computer program.

>>20163623
Sata-chan a retard. How could he not see a bug coming ? Updates are like the first cause programs going to shit.

>>20163623
which part in KKK was Snake vs Old Snake described?

>>20163648
When Yakou was looking into the memory of the Throne.

>>20163652
Thanks, I wanted to read through it again and didn't know where it was.

>>20163597
>>20163607
>>20163623
>>20163644
And then this smug Snek happened.

The way Kouha explains it, it seems that somehow the three problems (>>20157780) in the Third Throne were what brought Mercurius into existence.

Even so, she still brings the whole "chicken or egg, which came first?" when talking about the process, so he is still a paradox. She even describes him as a cluster of contradictory concepts.

>>20163644
The alternative would be to just have your rule set in stone, which would make him wide-open for Naraka-like hijinks.

>>20163661
>the third heaven
>the one where naraka got to sit back and relax before being put through shit by snek

>>20163670
Remember that if he wanted, Snek could have destroyed Naraka.

>>20163658
And now we wait for the next videoor when the guy uploads the full one without commentary.
Also, we got the names to some of the 7 demon kings.
破滅工房, the atelier​ of ruin (work in progress)
殺人姫, murder princess, sounds awkward in english but you get the gist. (it's actually read the same as 殺人鬼, which means a person who can kill without any remorse, a homicidal maniac if you will)
Murder princess has gotta be one hot piece of ass.

>>20163754
TL'd it as Workshop of Annihilation over here >>20161215
Also reminder that Masada described them as "Dark Doraemon".

>>20163771
Ah didn't see it. I'm looking forward to them especially, and the good lot as well. If they can make Wilhelm "I raped and murdered my sister-mother and ate babies" Ehrenburg.

>>20163754
>>20163771
The Atelier of Ruin and the Princess of Homicide tingle my chuuni translation senses.

>>20163644
His OCD just spirals out of control of course. He keeps going in cycles of "Ahh, I discovered a problem. Ignorance bad, science good so I must find the root of the problem and fix it." --> "UPLOAD PATCH" --> "Oh, there's a new problem over there. Ignorance bad, etc."

Unfortunately, it gets to the point of:
1. 'Human A' doesn't know what 'Human B' is thinking because they're very different people.
2. People don't understand each other... THAT'S IGNORANCE. WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
3. PREPARE THE SALTS FOR SIN DISINFECTION

>>20163783
Never finished my sentence
*If they can make Wilhelm "I raped and murdered my sister-mother and ate babies" Ehrenburg look like a person with common sense, than damn.

>>20164075
>ate babies
Eh?

>>20164098
His parents never bothered taking care of him, so he had to feed himself on the street. First he hunted insects, then rats, then cats, then babies, then adults.

>>20164098
You heard me. He never got fed so he had to hunt for himself. He ate things like rats, bugs , dogs cats and stepped up to humans eventually. He kidnapped a baby, drank it's blood and ate it.

>>20162539
She's Masada's favorite

Heavens 1-3, relatively peaceful transactions where the reigning gods gives up to new god without a fight

>Snake
>Battle royale

Absolutely based.

>>20164222
The only one without actual violence of any kind was Muzan -> Satanael.

>>20164300
Mithra didn't fight Muzan. She just let him kill her, which I suppose was the point of that post.

>>20164300
He may have been atomized by a saltblast for all we know but the predecessors never fought back.

>>20164300
>without a fight
as in not putting up a fight, not as in there was no fight.

>>20164327
>>20164331
That's violence.

>>20164357
>>20164300
>>20164222
>relatively peaceful
>reigning gods gives up to new god without a fight
I assumed I was clear about my meaning.

>>20164222
Are you including Satanael>Snek in there?
I'm sure Satanael wanted to put up a fight but he didn't have a chance.

>>20164442
>I'm sure Satanael wanted to put up a fight but he didn't have a chance.
That's the exact opposite of what happened anon.

>>20164442
What? Satanael gave Snake the thrown because he was a stain on his world that couldn't be fixed and proved his rule wrong.

>>20164457
>thrown
godammit.

throne*

>>20164457
More along the lines of Snake's very existence proves to Satanael that he was wrong, so he did what he thought was the most sensible thing and gave up.

Being fair, Snake wasn't all that different from the others. He planned on dying and giving the throne to Marie.

If he didn't want that, neither Ren nor Reinhard would exist.

>>20163754
>殺人姫, murder princess,
>it's actually read the same as 殺人鬼

>Satsujinki appears in another franchise before Tsukihime 2

>>20162966
Is pic related your wife, by any chance?

>>20164442
>>20164454
>>20164457
Satanael was still weaker than Merc at that point, in Rea's route it's even said that if Reinhard can't surpass the previous god level, he would never be able to best Snek.

>>20164477
If anything he went harder on it by preparing a scrpit.

>>20164519
>throwaway line from dies irae
>in 2018
boy that's about to get retconed
>muzan can cut hajun
>satanael needs at least the same amount of taiji to even overtake muzan's hadou

>>20164519
>Satanael was still weaker than Merc at that point,
Not really. It's possible to get one-shotted by a god even weaker than you depending on your mindset. It's also possible that a stronger god could completely fail to damage a weaker one.

>in Rea's route it's even said that if Reinhard can't surpass the previous god level, he would never be able to best Snek

It said SN killed the previous god and Reinhard would die to if he could not surpass 'it', That being the attack itself, not Satanael. Then factor in the apoptosis boost and you're nothing with this.

Pantheon seems to be re-defining pre-existing knowledge, so I'm abstaining either way. And wasn't the original point about how the god transaction did not involve a fight? It wasn't about power levels.

>>20164531
>taiji
>ever mattering anymore
if nothing else, it's their autism that matter the most nowwell, it always was.

>>20164531
Taikyoku doesn't even matter anymore. We have already seen that a willing god can just let itself be killed or outright give the Throne to the next one.

Simply put, we have almost no idea where any of the gods rank anymore.

Even Ren's timestop can now matter between Hajun and Muzan.

>>20164519
I think Reinhard being Snek’s apoptosis has something to do with it. If it weren’t for that, Snek might have taken him out in seconds.

>>20164544
>>20164531
The way presented in the Switch scenario seems that Satanael didn't even knew how to began to handle Snake. He is the very representation of everything he did being wrong.

>>20164531
Under that same logic Muzan is weaker than Satanael and Satanael is weaker than Mercurius anon. Are you contradicting yourself?

>>20164573
Of course, the only reason Reinhard stood a chance was because Snek wanted to die and Reinhard is the very embodiment of that desire.

>>20164566
By this point, Ren’s probably pissed enough that he’s dragged into this mess instead of his peaceful life that his cravings are even worse.

>>20164606
Does this mean that the longer he's away from his nichijou, the stronger he gets?

>>20164566
Well we know some broad stuff, the problem is that measuring them in their current restrained state is kind of stupid. Like we know Hajun is still very strong and by the virtue of not being alone he gets stronger, but we also know it's not on the same level as having the tumor and he is restricted by something like everyone else.

Like, in the scenario itself the other gods are not surprised to see Muzan actually harming Hajiun, they are suprised for him being mad enought to actually attack him in such ballsy way.

>>20164606
Which matter the most though, being reunited with Marie or reeeee muh nichijou kaesu?

>>20164628
Yato had been kept from his for thousands of years. Thus he’s stronger.

Switch Scenario bros, is current Ren = Yato?

>>20164648
I feel like his autism should've boosted him more than just 10 TK.

>>20164659
yes

>>20164667
How are Kemono and Snake even going to compete anymore?

>>20164659
>>20164667
He says he hates the "me that could not protect Marie" while a CG of Yato shows up, so even if he remembers, he despises Yato.

>>20164661
A 100 TK is enough to crush the throne and multiverse just by existing. It’s a level enough to make Merc and Reinhard bent their knees just by being too close to him.

>>20164671
He is not Yato, he just remembers what happened with Yato. People are being a bit confused with that.

>>20164661
He still has his legion and most of his friends. Kasumi is nowhere to be seen but Shirou, Rea, Kei and even friends of previous lives like Machina are there. Some remainder of his nichijou survives.

>>20164671
He is not as powerful it but still a lot more than in DI it seems. If he had his yato level it wouldn't be just kemono and snek, no god bar Hajun could come close.

>>20164690
Kasumi is referenced in KKK, but the poor girl is dead. Can she catch a fucking break?

>>20164659
No of course he is not. He knows what happened in KKK but he is not Yato or has the stuff Yato had. As a full god he is probably better than he was in DI though.

>>20164690
And he’s going to lose even more than he had before from what Masada has to say about it.

>>20164678
What? Why would he despise himself? Yato did a good fucking job.

>>20164703
Because Marie still died and he couldn't save her. He feels like he fucked up.

>>20164678
He’s just jealous that Yato is enjoying his peaceful afterlife with Rea instead of the shit he’s currently going through.

>>20164703
I guess he hated his past self because he couldn't protect Marie and fucked up.

I sayd old self because he still died by Habaki so:
DI Ren>Yato>KKK epilogue Ren/Pantheon Ren?

>>20164695
The tomboy cannot be allowed to win.

>>20164703
Because he failed. Yato is a Ren in a no return state and even worse, he lost Marie. He is everything he doesn't want to be or happen.

>>20164728
KKK Rea on the left

>>20164531
The whole point of Sata-san getting the Throne from Muzan was that he had to use time bullshit and parallel lines to do it. That's even the cause of his own downfall later.

Rea is a man-stealing bitch

>>20164767
t. Marie

>>20164767
t. Karl

>Tenma Yato is enjoying his nichijou in the afterlife
>Throne Ren isn’t

>>20164628
hajun except his power infinitely scales based off lack of nichijou

>>20164606
why doesnt ren stop being a dumby an emanate a normal every day life instead of stopping time

>>20164797
Truly he was the man meant to defeat Hajun.
>>20164801
Why doesn't Snek stop being a dumby and emanate a hug from Marie? Why doesn't Saltman emanate a perfect paradise without constantly trying to fix shit?

>>20164801
He wants nothing to change.

>>20164809
hajun properly emanated his craving with no weird interpretations why cant everyone else
i hope you know it was a joke

>>20164809
Hug from Marie equates death, the whole point of Merc's final wish is that she is the last thing/knowledge he craves for.

>>20164813
>stops time when not in a nichijou
>further delaying the chance of getting nichijou
nice one retard

>>20164821
I do.
I dunno, I feel like Mithra's was clear. You're either with her or you're evil.

>>20164801
His life is filled with time stop. He picks up a manga book. It’s Jojo & he sees Dio or Jotaro stop time. Or it’s Dragon Ball during Namek & Guido stops time. He starts playing a video game. The game freezes. He listens to music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSFqXGZ5TQ starts playing.

>>20164825
>he wants to get to his nichijou and stop everything
>his powers do the former before the latter

>>20164590
>Under that same logic Muzan is weaker than Satanael and Satanael is weaker than Mercurius anon.
Yeah then you run into the problem of Hajun.
Run it through
He has his tumour = he kills everyone
without it, and without it he loses that reactionary effect = kills everyone except for merc and leaves him for dead. He should at least be on that level of 90*
Muzan should also be on that level as a minimum if he cuts Hajun
>>20164765
It's not that simple. He still needs to overcome Muzan's Hadou otherwise he would have been crushed immediately

>>20164885
>without it, and without it he loses that reactionary effect = kills everyone
Why would he even kill anyone if he has no tumor to give him his autistic craving?

>>20164905
Ask Masada.

>>20164905
Ask Naraka and the 4 others guys
this manlet is still getting stronger without the tumour and only looking at them.

>>20164909
Let me ask you for your source instead.

>>20164885
>kills everyone except for merc and leaves him for dead.
They defeat Hajun in that case. Merc is the only survivor, Hajun included, and as the last god in that moment, he gets back the Throne and resets everything to Rea's route.

>>20164922
This is kinda different, this Hajun already has his craving that he got since he got his tumor, even if he doesn't have it now.

>>20164885
>Muzan should also be on that level as a minimum if he cuts Hajun
Masdada outright said that happened because Muzan is very combat focused. We should forget about Taikyoku levels mattering something because it's rather evident that Masada regrets that whole thing because it only limits him.

>>20164885
>He still needs to overcome Muzan's Hadou otherwise he would have been crushed immediately
Muzan openly welcomed Satanael getting the Throne. He even congratulates his efforts and tells him to get the paradise they both want. It doesn't seem Muzan was even trying to get in the way.

Hajun = Yato > Muzan = Ren >= Snek > Kemono > Satanael > Hirume (?) > Marie

Mithra (?)

Debate.

>>20164971
Yato is not even a thing anymore. We would get him as a depowered Aeon at best, he is gone otherwise.

>>20164971
It's too soon to measure Muzan even if we like to meme him. If he was simply that strong then Masada would have just said that instead of trying to justify it by saying something as abstract as "well he is the best at combat".

>>20164977
Implying Post KKK Ren will have his nichjou intact in pantheon.

>>20164991
I would not be surprised if he is dead and had the nichijou at this point. Anyway post KKK Ren isn't Yato itself either, he isn't even a hadou god techincally. He is regular nichijou guy.

>>20164991
Post KKK Ren won’t but Yato is too busy in the 7th heavens afterlife to care

>>20164923
https://www10.atwiki.jp/god14/pages/621.html
For the timeline
>マリィルート後は、突如現れた最凶最悪の流出者・第六天波旬を相手に、マリィを守るために戦う。
マリィの持つ掟破りの「覇道流出者を共存させる」という能力により実現したラインハルト・蓮を加えた３対１で辛うじて波旬を退けるも、彼以外は全滅してしまう。そこで彼が座に戻り「こんな結末は嫌だ」と再び永劫回帰を流出させる。
>>20164939
>We should forget about Taikyoku levels mattering something because it's rather evident that Masada regrets that whole thing because it only limits him.
I don't think he's mentioned that, but wait until pantheon. But the crux that started this was the SM talk. >>20164544 and even regarding that, that anon had it right.
>>20164952
>It doesn't seem Muzan was even trying to get in the way.
You don't understand how this works. Hadou gods have no control over their surrounding hadou, that's why Yato initially want his all his power back because he can't control it's weight and collapses everything. It's not something you can just turn off.

>>20164977
Even if we don't know if Ren got to keep his power as Yato, he was still Yato in the past, his current mindset may not be the same as before but he was that guy.
There should be a reason why "Ren" is to lead the Yatsukahagi and Eastern Expedition of the Sixth Heaven.

>>20165020
Well for a thiing he seems to hate Yato anyway.

>>20165020
Kino pantheon ending would be Ren getting the throne and perma frozing Naraka.

>>20165026
Unless you're calling Muzan, you can regret things you did in the past.

>>20165026
Hate my ba a strong word, not like the guy could have done anything better.
And loathing because muh marie is a bit shallow.

So safe to say we aren't getting shit tomorrow and we have to wait for next month for more info, right?

>>20165017
Of course he didnt, but it doesn't seem we would heard about Taikyoku again anyway.

>>20165037
More like Snek ACTA EST FABULA makes Naraka fuck off, then the next thing that happens is Rea's route and everyone is happy.

>>20165020
>Ren in charge of the EE
Phew, now that’s going to be gold. Are the EE even aware of the gods meeting?

>>20165017
I get how it works, but KKK specifics seems to have been reworked a bit. Even in DI you don't see that happening to such levels.

>>20165065
I don't think so, only Kouha departing to do her job.

>>20165049
Like I said, wait for Pantheon. You won't have any answers until then. Maybe he gets rid of it, maybe he doesn't.
>>20165071
>Even in DI you don't see that happening to such levels.
Because Taikyoku and Hadou wasn't fully developed in that one. But I see where you're coming from. Like I said, wait it out. Save the powerlevel stuff for when Pantheon is actually out.

>>20165020
>"Ren" is to lead the Yatsukahagi
>when all of them are hardcore Yato suckers
>when Ren despises Yato
How is this going to play out?

>>20165084
Well, that's why making a ranking now is kind of silly anyway. So far they seem pretty even on paper, Hajun aside.

>>20165048
Probably. Well, we've got quite a lot of news this month, so I'm satisfied. Hoping the demo comes out this year, at least.

>>20165089
>>20165026
I think you have the wrong idea about what he said. He doesn't literally hate Yato, he's just saying that he can't forgive himself because he couldn't protect Marie.

If yetzirah Ren jerks off with his right hand, does it count as sex?

>>20165102
He was kind of talking in third person there, so at the very least he seems to be trying to separate himself from Yato.

>>20165104
Yes.

>>20165110
Maybe, I'll see once the videos get uploaded. Either way I'll be getting some shut eye, hopefully it gets uploaded by the time I wake up.

>>20165142
Anyway, I think that it's true that it can be taken as both interpretations. It could be just him not forgiving himself because of what happened.

>>20165020
His throne is so fucking cool. Best one with Merc's.

Samsara Vartin did nothing wrong.

>>20164135
>>20164107
>product of the purest form of love
>albino
>vampire
>rapist
>nazi
>baby eater
Truly /ourguy/

>>20165871
>biggest jobber
>/ourguy/
huh

>>20165104

>>20165876
doesn't count when he wins in the end.

>>20165880
A fight between Hirume and Anna will 100% break out. There can only be one.

>>20165886
I'll make both of them my wives.

>>20165886
>There can only be one
So, who will in the fight between Rusalka, Anna (or some other reincarnation of hers from the 5th Throne) and Tenma Numahime?

>>20165898
Big is justice, so Anna (forma de original)

>>20165881
>be hyped for hours
>monster monster monster
>lose weakest good guy
>takes 4 routes to win a fight
I say it counts.

>>20165913
Alright alright, he's /myguy/.

>>20165910
>Liking fat hags

>>20165913
Too be fair he either lost to Shirou who has canon plot armour or got pranked by Trifa, and fucking everybody got pranked by Trifa.

>>20165871
But if he’s /ourguy/, he’d rape the nazis

>>20165880

>>20164939
>We should forget about Taikyoku levels mattering something because it's rather evident that Masada regrets that whole thing because it only limits him.

You only feel this way because -you- thought Taikyoku mattered enough that he'd have trouble bending or breaking it.

It was there to make KKK's theme and plot possible and to lampshade shounen powerlevels. Taikyoku existed to drive home half of the concept Hajun brought with him; that pure power trumps everything else. The idea of unique snowflake individualistic cravings with broken powers brought by DI was crushed by nothing but a rampaging egomaniac. If he can't do anything interesting with it any more he'll find a way to bring in some other idea to break it with or trump it.

>>20165913
>>takes 4 routes to win a fight
Fucker didn't even beat Schreiber. He only killed Kei, and with Isaac's help.

KEI!

>>20166336
And Kei was in her weakest state.

>>20165017
>https://www10.atwiki.jp/god14/pages/621.html
This link doesn't seem to have the quote you're citing now. If nothing else, it doesn't mention the reason of Hajun's loss being the lack of tumor.

>>20166323
If only Pantheon didn't have the usual RPG stats. You know people are going to take those for a fact and use them as arguments in power level discussions.
>Reinhard's ATK stat is higher than Hajun's, that means he's stronger!

>>20166711
Nah I haven't really seen anyone take mixing gameplay and lore seriously and i'm sitting near fatefags
you may get shitposting spergs like melvin however

>>20166878
Who's melvin?

>>20166323
That's a good point actually.

does anyone know the exact "i wish time would stop" quote from ren

>>20167046
Isn’t it one of the first lines of the VN? Or is their a specific moment where he says it out loud that you’re reffering to?

>>20167048
It is. The very first line of narration by Ren once you get to actually read him after the Prologue

So what's the official Big Snek origin story now?
Something about Satanael messing with timelines and creating Snek as a paradox?

>>20167048
>>20167063
fuck im retarded

>>20167090
The three main problems with the Third Throne (time fuckery, bugs and craving of knowledge to eliminate ignorance) somehow created a paradox and then a egg or chicken first situation was created.

>>20167156
was the thing that was talked about a few threads ago true?
the stuff about how satanael removed all evil things from the universe, unintentionally putting them in a new one where snek was born

Fellas, I want to see the demons, and other fun beings in the first heaven

>>20167156
What about salt?

>>20166711
波旬が黄昏の女神の覇道共存能力を破壊しなかった場合、黄金の獣が波旬の憎悪の根源を見抜き、永遠の刹那が時間を稼いでる間に黄昏の女神が畸形嚢腫を転生させ、水銀の蛇が弱体化(ある意味元に戻す)した波旬を倒して相討ちとなるhttps://www10.atwiki.jp/god14/pages/91.html
That's from Hajun's page as to how they defeated him
>In the case of Hajun not destroying's Tasogare's hadou co-existence ability, the golden beast locates the source of Hajun's hatred. The eternal moment buys time for them, meanwhile Tasogare reincarnates the tumour. The Snake of Mercury weakened Hajun and he was defeated.
>This link doesn't seem to have the quote you're citing now.
That's because it's from Snake's page. https://www10.atwiki.jp/god14/pages/96.html

>>20167353
doesn't count

>>20167353
Well, this makes sense, although the part you're citing now does not have much to do with him being born without a tumor, that's another paragraph.

>>20167530
Anon, I think there's a misunderstanding. When I said without the tumour, I wasn't talking about the scenario where he would be a gudou. I was talking about the scenario where Marie reincarnates the tumour, getting rid of it, and him still killing 3 of them and leaving Snek worse for wear.

>>20167548
>and him still killing 3 of them and leaving Snek worse for wear.
That part doesn't seem to be on that page, though?

But yeah, I see what you mean with him still being a threat after having his tumor removed.

>>20167567
>That part doesn't seem to be on that page, though?
That's just the way atwiki is formatted, Hajun's page only has details pertaining to him. Same thing with Snake, since he was the survivor and the one who reset everything. You won't find the details of their possible victory against Hajun on the pages of Reinhard, Ren or Marie.

>>20167587
>>20167567
whoops you can find it on their pages as well, simply not on Hajun's since they're not relevant to KKK I suppose.
その後、詳しい経緯は不明だが黄昏の女神となったマリィの世界の統治に賛同し彼女の守護者の一角となる。その後訪れた波旬という最大の危機に親友とその代替と共闘しなんとかこれを退けるも、甚大な被害を受けてしまったため最終的にメルクリウスが再び永劫回帰を流出。奇しくも彼は再び既知の世界へと引き戻されることになる。

突如発生した最強最悪の流出者第六天波旬の襲来により彼らの陣営は甚大な被害を受けてしまう。そこで生き残ったメルクリウスが座に戻り「こんな結末は嫌だ」という渇望を流出、世界は再び永劫回帰の世へと立ち戻ることになる。

彼女を守るべく先の三柱が波旬と戦い、何とかこれを退けるもそのほとんどが犠牲となってしまう。そこで生き残ったメルクリウスが座に戻り渇望を流出したことで世界は再び永劫回帰の世に立ち戻ることになる。

>skeleton dancing at the lower right corner
>nigga ain't gold
It's shit

>>20167862
God I wish I were those skeletons.

I don't even care about the game, I just want these in HD.

>>20167870
This. They get to rape

Baking