/jp/ - Otaku Culture

So I just met this word: 出撃
Seriously, what the FUCK is a sorite?

>>20832439
Why are you able to use a J>E dictionary but E>E is too difficult?

would going full immersion mode and using my computer in japanese, setting all games and websites to japanese, etc... be a productive way in helping learn moon?

>>20832454
Yes.

>>20832439

ive seen this shit in djt like 5 times in the past week

i cant tell if youre trying to start a meme or nah

>>20832454
If you want to learn words like brightness, keyboard and telemetry then I don't see why not.

>>20832454

you're not actually going to learn anything. all the games/applications you use you already know where everything is and dont read anything. it'll just be annoying if you have to change a setting or something

>>20832454
install the japanese language mod for eu4 and then create a text document of all the text in the UI and look up the words when you forget what they mean.

putting urself in front of japanese is the literal 1st step idk how u can say that its not a plus albeit very weeby imagine if a girl comes over and sees ur computer is all in japanese lmao

https://my.mixtape.moe/bzaqju.mp4

( ) I read manga
(x) I get off on drawings

is there a japanese MAL where i can read descriptions of anime in japanese

have u just tried using google to this end mate

not gonna lie, no

god only helps those that help themselves so uh get to helpin fucker

>>20832542

enough!

which of these books is the easiest to read
こころ
人間失格
世界の終りとハードボイルド・ワンダーランド
going by the release dates i would guess murakami is the easiest but i wonder if anyone of you has read them all

>>20832576

murakami is the easiest to read but not necessarily understand wtf hes on about

>>20832536
Nobody cares if your PC is in chink, loser. Get a grip.

DTJ I think its finally time to leave this place for good. The last thread was cancer. Feeling pretty bummed out .It's probably best to part ways. Redditor and normalfag infestations ruins everything. To that one faggot that spams matt kys. This is not the placed i remember any more. Good luck to all of you, eve jamal. You will learn japanese. Eventually and then you will finally leave. Hopefully this place will die

thank fuck i thought you'd never leave

See you in an hour.

How do Japanese people laugh?
ハハハハハハハハハハハハハハ
フフフフフフフフフフフフフフ
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>苦笑
>hmm maybe... にがわら or something?
>くしょう
>oh I see, I'll remember this!

>fast forwards X months
>苦笑い
>ah! I know this one! surely this is read as くしょう...い or something?
>にがわらい

Somehow this makes me even more pissed off than the usual japanese nonsense

he's right desu we're all just distracting ourselves here

You think nobody knows that, Einstein?

>>20832470
>start a meme
its like 2 years old
>>20832536
>imagine if a girl comes over
where do you think you are

STUDY

KANJI

>>20832608
>>ah! I know this one! surely this is read as くしょう...い or something?


you clearly suck at japanese if you think that was a possibility tho so you can only blame yourself

>>20832608
i mean the い practically begs for にがわらい

>>20832608
was about to post this >>20832628

>>20832626
why

>>20832592
Most intelligent post award.

>>20832576
Those are all big boy books. You should try something more suitable for kiddies, like 装甲悪鬼村正, 神咒神威神楽, 信天翁航海録, 紅殻町博物誌, 霞外籠逗留記 or 花散峪山人考

>>20832608
I hope this is merely a momentary lapse in judgement, otherwise you will never learn japanese.

>>20832628
>>20832630
I do suck at Japanese but even I knew it couldn't be read that way

>>20832629
how so?

届 is a strange kanji. it seems to avoid all attempts to be read as onyomi

>>20832591
whats ur issue

>>20832592
itterasyai also 2nding this >>20832635

>>20832645
>how so?

漢語 can't be true 形容詞 so there's no way a word read in its onyomi would end in い

>>20832649
I am watching valkyrie drive mermaid on the big screen in my parent's living room.

minna genki

>>20832655
honestly thats cool imo

>>20832658
uhh excuse me im the minna genki guy

>>20832660
lmao you jobless now gomennasai

日 is the best kanji
it has a different reading for every damn word it's in, and it's the number 1 kanji, and it means japan

>im the minna genki guy
Does everyone here have their own meme phrase?

>>20832664
good maybe its time 2 follow suit with this guy >>20832592

ill let u be the new me

>>20832683
wtf tomodati please dont, ily

>>20832666
jamal has a bunch.

二日 and 三日 is just one example of two words where it has the same reading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9EBwZw-Ug#t=12

>>20832654

what about 鬱陶しい?

>>20832696
https://jisho.org/word/%E3%81%97%E3%81%84

>〆
What the hell...

>>20832713

sorry i dont browse english dictionaries

>>20832654
>>20832696
lmaooo rekt

>>20832716
nice kanji

>
What the hell...

Have you made the Monolingual Transition yet?

>>20832719
you can find the same thing in nippongese in fact you might need to go there to find 鬱陶 but its time for you to fly on your own

I'll make the monolingual transition in 幻想郷.

>>20832753

what about 四角い then

>>20832765

neither 四角い or 鬱陶しい are true 形容詞 they are nouns that have been 形容詞化された by the adjectival suffix い・しい and it's not even very common so it's still dumb to read 苦笑 as くしょう・い (which is probably impossible just for sound reasons anyway)

>billion fucking homophones for each word
In what way can they even understand each other as they are talking?

>>20832781

空書

>>20832795
>空書
Empty book? What?

>>20832592
nothing wrong with a little reddit!

>>20832781
>In what way can they even understand each other as they are talking?

They don't talk to each other, why do you think Japanese people are so introverted?
Yes, it's because their language is fucked up.
I wouldn't want to talk to anybody either if my language was so complicated that I needed many decades to become fully fluent at it.

>>20832802
空気読め。。。

https://my.mixtape.moe/zzbvbe.mp4

>>20832592
>The last thread was cancer.
What are you talking about? It was, but that's the same as always.

>>20832781
Every time they say a word with homophones Japanese people make a 2-bit binary signal by blinking their eyes to clarify which one they meant. With 2 eyes this means a number between 0 and 3, with the first digit being the left eye and the second digit being the right eye giving us binary numbers 00, 01, 10, 11 where 0 means eye is closed and 1 means eye is open. This also means that only the 4 most common homophones for each sound are ever used in speech. There is a movement for adding a third digit for a total of 8 options through an additional signal like stomping with your foot or other body language, but so far very few people support it.

わたしは同音異字

>>20832592
>To that one faggot that spams matt
it's at least 3 different people

how many of u got valentine choco today lol

>>20832819
Last thread was much fucking worse than usual with epic /pol/tard literally screaming from sunrise to sunset dude.

>>20832665
doesn't it mean the sun in its most basic form?

>>20832821
Damn, now I know why some them use eye patches

>>20832842
>where do you think we are.gif

>>20832853
was just gonna say ill share mine if anyone needs

>>20832842
Satania gave me some on /a/ and then again on /g/.

>>20832858

no-one wants your 義理チョコ

>>20832842
my mom usually gives me one but she forgot

>>20832804
This, your hartred of reddit is getting cringy.

>>20832692
I wouldn't personally count every iteration of a counter as a new word. But it's japanese we are talking about here, so I don't really know. Better not to count anything before n1+ anyways.

im glad i didnt get any chocolate so now i dont have to give double back on white day

>>20832843
I just skimmed the thread and I've no idea what you're talking about. Jamal shitposting, eceleb shitposting, a few people asking questions, a few people talking about the stuff they're reading like VNs, people arguing about tangentially related language shit, and the sharex webm guy. Literally the same exact shit as always. The ratio wasn't even off.

>鼻くそ

>>20832886

nah the guy calling everyone Dekinai ruined my mood. and the argument about pitch accents was very hostile. i give that thread a 3/10

Uh oh how do I respond?

>>20832886
can u post the pie chart plz

>>20832909
link them to here http://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org

>>20832909
link him some gud anime torrents.

>>20832909
say "this is immersion" *rubs nuts on face*

>>20832842
Me

>>20832716
iirc my nmemeneticht lessons that is the kanji for the aerofish

>>20832921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtImhloLDQk#t=36

>>20832842
my mum gave me some, but I didnt know it's valentines and I don't think she knew either.

It's kanji tiem! Today's kanji needs little explanation. The parts are woman and house, meaning a wife, and reflecting the role of women in traditional and necessary Japanese culture. You may never have a wife, because you're garbage, so the kun reading is よめ like "you may". You may comfort yourself like a pathetic child, with CAndy, so the on reading is カ.

>>20832886
it's truly the best general of the whole wide board and there is absolutely not risk of any of us learning any japanese as long as we stay here all comfy and snuggled up.

>>20832902
胸糞

>>20832959
i don't even learn japanese (한국어) and I'm a regular lurker on both djt's. it truly is the comfiest general.

>>20832957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_5vDrs3eXw

>>20832967
how can you possibly learn korean with no anime, mango and shit. I guess there are a few movies out there, but it seems quite difficult to me. Btw. I think the written language is very cute and practical, it's basically the complete opposite of japanese (or chinese for that matter)

Does 俺の嫁 count?

>>20832980
manhwa, k-dramas and kpop would be my guess

>>20832978

lol japs are insane

in corea when dog bark too much thats when they know its ready to eat

>>20832980
I trust me it's a pain in the ass. Dramas don't really appeal to me and manhwa is too difficult at the moment. It's a real struggle.

what if i never learn japanese

>>20832989
is there any hope of Korea ever surpassing japan in the entertainment business? As far as I know much of todays production is outsourced there anyways.

>>20832992
After reading Korean anon's post I read this whole thing while assuming that dog is a metaphor for having a Korean neighbor and the poster being annoyed at having to listen people talking in Korean, then I looked back and realized that you were replying to someone else.

>>20833005
Wtf are you learning it for then

>>20833006
それでいいんだ

>>20833005
peppa to the rescue!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ-rvYNmSjM

>>20833006
if you just enjoy compelling content you never have to worry about that shit because youre havin fun anyway

>>20833016
I like the music.. and I only said manhwa was too difficult.. I want to read it. Most manga is translated to korean and most of the big anime's have dubs (>>20833023
) so eventually i'll have muh comprehensible input when i'm good enough.

>>20833015
now this is what I call immersing yourself into Japanese thinking

can we make jamal a janny?

>>20833030

そりゃね。。。

>>20832992
I don't see what your problem is. All 飼主s are fucking retards.

why r u thinking about me

I downloaded shinmekai for yomichan from yogapants but it doesnt detect conjugations. Is there a fixed version

>>20833030
its more fun if hes not when someone gets real pissed over a deleted post and spams for hours blaming him

>>20833033

ur mums a fuckin 飼い主

I reached #1400 in RTK guys
That's 2/3 done, h-haha.
Go, me! H-haha...

>>20833027
>I like the music
Which groups do you stan

>>20833044
i know that tone if you dont drop it now youre gonna drop nihongo for months

>>20833045
I don't believe in stanning, seems a bit.... cultish. Just like listen to the music.

>>20833040
every time that 1 dude went off brappin and shit i was lollin pretty good

>>20833044
Only a few more months and you can start learning japanese!

>>20833043
she's not very bright, truly.

>>20833044
Good job, anon. Hope you're also doing grammar at the same time. Start reading as soon as you're done with RTK.

>>20833048
Nah dude, i'm probably one of the few people in /djt/ who has done his reviews every single fucking day for 9 months straight (and counting)

>>20833044
>h-ha...ha
totally not jelly dude, you never gonna make it, just like me (good work, keep on rollin).

>>20833058
show us the fruits of ur labour

>>20833058
i did it for 5 months straight when i was retarded enough to think RTK was benefiting me beyond the first 1000 or so.

>>20833057
Yea, I'm working my way through Tae Kim's grammar guide. I'm at "advanced topics" now.
But i'll probably have to read it a couple more times while reading other shit because i can't recognize 70% of the grammar i already learned. Usually in the verb conjugation department

>>20833063
>5 months RTK
that shit's done after 2 1/2 months bro

>>20833066
Tae Kim is more of a reference than a language course. Of course you can't recognize it by reading it once.

>>20833058
How do you survive the weekends? I really struggle with them. I'm always completely hung over and can barely bring myself to go on living. I don't think stop drinking is an option, I need to train my liver for the nippon live style.

why do dekinais have such bad things to say about rtk

>>20833068
i finished rtk in 3 months and maintained reviews for 2 months afterwards

https://youtu.be/gXBgK4a3FWQ
Britvsjpn got pretty fucking good in less than 2 years. Really proves ajatt can work.

>>20833050
I can already smell you from here you filthy twiceshitter

>>20833058
thats about how long it took me to delete my decks but if you can still manage to read every day on top of that maybe youll be alright

>>20833073
because we know better than anyone how badly RTK delays you from learning japanese.

>>20833071
I always do anki during my first three beers. I only really start to feel it after the 5th.

>>20833074
have you retained the same level of skill in recalling them from memory

>>20833077
I'll probably abandon them once i feel comfortable with reading.

>>20833058
>9 months
>2/3rd through rtk

so 1 review a day?

>>20833076
the only twice song I know is 'likey likey' :(

>>20833071
I don't drink desu

>>20833075
what language is this ?

>>20833085
Aaah you're too pure for this world. I'm sorry. Good luck with hangukmal

>>20833080
no. when i stopped reviewing my ability to recall them quickly diminished.

>>20833084
I did 5 months of Core 2k/6k (yeah, yeah. It's shit, but at least i have some fundamental vocab now) and radicals before i started RTK because originally i planned on not doing RTK.

>>20833087
You won't survive your first week in japan.

>>20833079
ty, very valuable input. Will try out soon and report back with results.

tfw ive skipped more days of anki than other people have done

>and i stopped doing it seriously a year ago

>>20833085
oh you're really missing out, my favorite is 'Like OOH-AHH'
sexy ass bitches

>>20833095
>You won't survive your first week in japan.
Not to worry. Noone is ever gonna invite me on a drink :(

>>20833089
not the anon who posted this, but to me it sounds very good as well. Only thing that bothers me, is that it's way too polite and not like mu animespeak.

>>20833097
>2000 days
Uh, so i take it you're native level now?

>>20833097
Dude you could've watched 1800 hours of anime during that time.

>>20833089
a language you don't understand

>>20833106
seek to literally any random point in that vid and tell me u dont wanna die immediately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXBgK4a3FWQ#t=118

>>20833102
I would though.

yeah but he has qt kanojo and u dont

>>20833110

nah, i didnt really take it very seriously during most of that time, i was just doing anki reviews and not much else & as you can see i didnt even bother learning many new cards for like 2-3 years so i was pretty much just in 'maintaining mode' at that point

im definitely advanced/upper advanced but not native

>>20833143

my kanojo is jyuubai gurai kawaii

>>20833120
honestly it's pretty good. I'm certainly not a reference, but I think his flow is pretty authentic. He might not pronounce everything perfectly, but I'm pretty impressed by his general use of the language, it doesn't sound like he learned it at school out of textbooks.

>>20833120
That's how I feel when I listen to your vocaroos.

>>20833120
show me someone better at less than 2 years, protip: you can't

>>20833143
that filename already indicates the amount of issues u have i dont have to say anything else

We posting our kanojos now?

>yoshi, time to read
>"hey this is going well, this might actually be possi-"
>*characters start using slang*
>mfw

just saw a segment on the 24/7 youtube stream about faggots

>>20833165
>character says ねー instead of ない
i exit the vn every time

>>20833155
do u want my jikushokei vocaroo ill make 1 i swear 2 fuckin god if thats enough to send u over the edge ill do it

>>20833156
sry im not privy 2 all the whos who of the japanese "learning" community

>>20833160
the letter that never made it

>>20833160

>日本語読めないと思うけど

btfo.

>>20833159
i just saved it from his webpage to share with you guys.

imagine gettign stunted on by this guy every day

>>20833171
Can you live with the burden of having killed a young nihongoer?

>>20833180
who

>>20833183

>>20833180
she's cute, would nihongo her

すっぴんでも負けないほどかわいい僕の彼女

空気読めない

日本語も読めない

i'm not reading your gaijin japanese

>>20832481
結婚を前提にお付き合いさせてください

>>20833221
would smash

>>20833232

thats native vetted japanese ur reading son

>>20832439
it's basically just a sally

>>20833240
can't take any chances

>>20833243
一か八か賭ける

>>20833249
me as i decide what to post next

>>20833224
You could just write KY lol

should you use a premade rtk deck

if u use flashcards u also likely eat ass

>>20833297
of course the on in the cor is very good
still have to read the book alongside it tho

>>20833298
if you wont eat ass you ain't ゲイ so whats it gonna be big boy *spreads cheeks*

>>20833297
depends on who you ask, just if you do the rtk dont do too many at once because the reviews will pile on aftera month, you are always getting hit with your hardest ones after a while and it's exausting.. No more than 33 a day. I fucked up and did 50 a day and it was soul crushing after 6 weeks of it.

u can definitely be gay and not eat the ass

just fuck it like i do

I'm going to start a sentence deck pretty soon. Seems pretty useful for reinforcing kanji readings in context. At 10-15 new cards a day I don't think it'll take me that long to review. I've already mined a few hundred sentences so I have a good base, too.

Front: sentence
back: sentence with furigana
jpn definition of unknown word

>>20833297
yes. in fact if you're gonna do RTK at all you should use a premade deck with the least frequent characters removed so as to save you on the time you're about to waste. i recommend matt's lazy kanji deck on his site.

>>20833297
You don't have to read the book, just the deck, but learning the mnemonics for the radicals is helpful. My deck had the mnemonics in it so I didn't need the book at all.

>>20833311
pic only with male pronouns

>>20833309
I'm doing 25 a day and my daily anki is already at 70 minutes 11 days in. I wouldn't go faster than that unless you are a real neet.

recommend easy light novels fora dumb dekinai

>>20833325
Yep there is a bunch of those kanji you'll never see, I saw later they had 200 kanji you could remove list, wish I had done that.

>>20833328
i dont have much interest in ur fanfic here

>>20833331
Perfect rate, hang in there. You can play around with the setting a little here and there to work better for your memory. There different theories on whats best, I do my own setup. The default settings are terrible.

>>20833334
>200 kanji you could remove

wheres this list lol

>>20833331
I'm doing only 10 and when I have more time and feel like it I will add more. Reviews got quite bad at the beginning with 20 a day. But it certainly depends on what you are doing and on what level. I think got faster with my reviews over time, since I know more and more words from the sentences that really help me now.

>>20833334
>Yep there is a bunch of those kanji you'll never see
i'm just saying there's diminishing returns on RTK. as soon as you drop reviews you're gonna start forgetting the meaning of a lot of them anyway. and if you never drop reviews that is a monumental effort. stick with RTK until kanji stop looking like unrecognizable blurs.

>>20833360
>as soon as you drop reviews you're gonna start forgetting the meaning of a lot of them anyway.

not if you're reading instead of reviewing.

it's not even that hard to maintain after a while as reviews go down drastically a month or two after you complete the deck

>>20833367
>not if you're reading instead of reviewing.
yes you definitely will, particularly if you were doing RTK as a beginner. if you already knew japanese while doing RTK then you'll remember them better.
>it's not even that hard to maintain after a while
it's a pain in the ass to maintain even once the reviews drop to 40-50 a day. boring as all fuck and time better spent on actual japanese.

why are texthookers bad? is there any context where they aren't a terrible crutch and just a more efficient dictionary?

>>20833383
texthookers are fine

>>20833377

i finished rtk in a month or so before learning kana or grammar and i didnt have any issues remembering them after that. prob like 90% retention rate. what i stopped remember is the mnemonics. couldnt really remember them after a few months.

my memory is pretty good generally tho

>>20833383
texhookers are bad

>>20833383
avoid machine translation and furigana inserters and other parsing tools and you'll be fine

fukin just realised 蘇る comes from 黄泉から帰る that should have been obvious

>>20833383
shoving more information into ur brain faster just means more shit to forget just as fast as it came

its not the tool but how u use it and how well u use it defines the results

>>20833390
i kept a 90% retention rate for as long as i maintained reviews but several months after dropping anki i couldn't tell you the meaning of most kanji because i wasn't learning enough vocab to offset the decline. i'm pretty sure you'd have to learn dozens of words a day to offset it. i have an average memory so i hope other average people stop doing RTK as beginners or at least set a threshold like "i'll do 500 or 1000" and then stop once they cross it.

>>20833333
KINOS
FUCKIN
TABI

>>20833436
I don't wanna read about some dude's socks.

>>20833440
careful that kinda talkin is gonna bring out the real sickos

>>20833424
But if you forget the reading/meaning/etc. of a word you just hooked, when you see it again won't you just remember it slightly better?

https://youtu.be/jSW0OzyeABY

A grown man in the Navy unironically going by Otaku Dave made a video to show how to pay for shit you can get on DJT for free.

>>20833470
unlikely if ur bombarding urself with information constantly ull just be dependent on the tools until if/when u make real mental connections trust me if u make ur brain a revolving door u will hardly gain anything

>>20833419
wtf

>>20833477
based nuke follower wanting to keep things legal and ethical

otaku dave lmao

I've been studying Japanese for 2.5 years. I passed the N1 and I can read all media I have interest in and I speak fluently. My weakest point is in handwriting. I can read a couple thousand kanji in context, but I can write far fewer than that. I want to learn how to write kanji, not just to be able to write them, but also for the sake of strengthening my recognition.
Has anyone else here done this? If so, do you recommend a particular resource/study method?

>>20833333
人類は衰退しました

why are they always named dave

>>20833500

just write them dumbass. if you already know them it should be easy. follow stroke order.

i just write words i hear whenever im watching anime to keep my writing skills going

If jisho randomly went down one day for good, and any browser addons that depend on it stopped functioning, how bummed out would you be?

>>20833532
i use yomichan and qolibri so not at all

>>20833513
>just write them dumbass
That was tentatively my plan, I just figured I'd ask in case there were any anons that had any other useful ideas

>>20833532
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0NzT6UFVNqt

>>20833500
The wa only allows a selected few gaijins overcome the challenge of writing all kanji, Are you up for the task?

japanese?
more like japanez

How bout you study and cleanse your mentalese first.

>>20833579
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0PpW1loGMYq

is there any easy game for japanese pre schoolers?

yea its called sortie ur unkos directly to the inside of the toilet

play gba rpgs

reminder that if you cant write japanese you're illiterate and a dekinai

>>20833610
They're mostly shit.

>>20833610
I've tried playing pokeymans but it is quite hard

what the hell I tried to start reading a manga I wanted to read but it's too hard to make out the kanji and especially hard to make out the furigana on the raws
guess i'll never read

just enjoy the drawings

buy it

Been doing just reviews for my core6k for about a month now, feels pretty nice to be able to reinforce what I already know without having to pile on more and more. Matures are rising steadily. I think I'll keep doing this for at least another month before I start reviewing my 8k+ mining deck too.

>>20832454
Yes, even 4chan is forcing me to solve japanese captchas now and it really help with reinforcing the kanji you already know. Use it or lose it and all that.

>>20833618
That pic is a bad example considering that game fuckin rules

>>20833736
what does it feel like to know nihongo?

よっこらしょっと


what is that?

>>20833746
That game is 30 minutes of my life I won't ever get back.

>>20833763
Idk what issue you took with it but it owns sorry

>>20833610
wrong play eu4 with japanese language mod

>>20833736
I'm at 132 cards in 6K pacing myself at 12/day, do you feel it really helped you read ?
On the other hand I hardly have any time lately so it forces me to at least do something everyday. I suppose even ankidroning is better than doing literally nothing and telling myself I'll start studying japanese "when I have time".

>>20833762
where'd you get color scans?

>>20833762

it's just some shit people say when they do something that requires a bit of effort, like stand up from their chair after a long time, like 'here i go" kind of thing

So you can say

ペンがあります

and

ペンを持っています

to mean "I have a pen", right? Is there any difference? (when using the sentences to say "I have a pen")

>>20833755
I no longer get a headache when I watch my favorite 2d youtubers but fluency is still way off. It's nice to be at a level where I can understand enough to find enjoyable content without searching too hard, but I wish I could listen to radio news and understand even half of it.

>>20833786

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/manga/series/%E3%83%89%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB.html

>>20833799

there's not much difference but contextually the former can also mean "there is a pen" and the latter cant. the former in this case prob more likely suggests that have the pen on your person vs simply having a pen somewhere, although this isn't always the case because it can mean both things.

Is there a place I can sort VNs by writing style? vndb doesn't have tags like narrative or descriptive, and I feel like all the VNs I try are descriptive, which I fucking hate.
I need story writing to be grounded in facts rather than feelings and opinions.

>>20833818

its a VN so none if is factual anon

>>20833780
Definitely, but I'd say what helped my reading most is reading. Hard to say since I don't know where I'd been if not for anki, but I think I'd have dropped the language long ago because of inconsistent learning. Forcing myself to do 20 new cards every day for over a year, 300+ reviews every day really forced me to keep going. It gave me some well needed discipline that has transfered into other areas of my life.

>>20833818
a lot of blogs are good for sorting vns better than vndb or erogamescape can sort

>>20833818
>i need my fiction to be grounded in facts
Sounds like you need to be watching documentaries and reading history books and biographies

>>20833821
>>20833838
Here's an example of narrative (I want this):

>“I don’t think that’s a good idea,” said Jaelyn.
>“You never used to be such a girl!” retorted Orin, pushing open the door.
>Reluctantly, Jaelyn followed.

As opposed to descriptive (fuck this):
>The bloody, red-eyed vampire, sunk his rust-colored teeth into the soft skin of his lover and ended her life.

So I want it to be fiction, but not with all this flowery language describing the texture of doors and how the air felt at some moment and similar shit. No, I don't want an autistic history book.

>>20833831
Please link me some.

>>20833799
Literally:
>There is a pen.
and
>I am holding a pen.

>>20833848

so basically you dont actually like reading lol just watch anime or smth

>>20833848
matt said the descriptive style (as you call it) is the best way to learn a language. i'm not about to help you hurt your own progress.

>>20833818
Why are you studying nihongo? It seems to me a person like you wouldn't be interested in the Japanese in terms of their cultural output. Are you going to work there?

>>20833848
>Please link me some.
I dunno, I don't know any for what you're looking for you're gonna have to look on your own
Just look up first person as opposed to third person since that seems to be roughly what you want.

>>20833860
matt hasnt learned any languages besides english ?

>>20833854
I already have a good grasp of how the language sounds, I need to get reading practice in, desperately.

>>20833860
If it doesn't grasp my interest because it's boring to me, it's simply not good for me.

>>20833862
I work in a company that has business relations to Japan, and it's a real possibility I have to move there at some point. That's not my primary reason though, as I do enjoy shitloads of Japanese media in my leisure time.

>>20833863
I'll try that, thanks.

>>20833853

not really. 持つ literally means to "own", "be in possession of" or "carry". and it usually means those unless you say 手に持っている

i need to buy a 筆 the daiso ballpoint aint cutting it

>>20833879
自信持ってますか

>>20833879
You're so wrong, don't talk like you know shit. 持つ literally means "to hold." Look at the kanji 持: Prominently featured on the left side is the 手 radical. You shouldn't assume that the first meaning listed in a dictionary entry is the literal meaning, because it often is not.

rate my story

これは変な状況けど最近英語の同人誌が日本語訳を求めて貰いました…自身がないからここにあたしの仕事をポストしています
仕事と嫌い婚約者を持っていることに食べられはじめている〜文字。
しかし、彼の抑圧した感情が本当に耐え難くなる脅迫をすると紅灯緑酒でゲイボーイの仕事をしているとかカリスマにのんびりとか古い炎など木兎光太郎と期せずして再会をした。
元バレーボールの主将を見なかった十年間後 赤葦さんは高校時代について知っていたことが全く違う状況のか直面している…"

>>20833962

lol featured prominently on the left side of 鯨 is the kanji 魚, meaning fish, therefore a 鯨 is a fish

is that how this works?

literally look at any j-j dictionary or maybe know japanese and you'd know that im right

>>20833967
>これは変な状況けど

stopped reading

>>20833976
自分のpostにそんなに自信持ってますか

btw isnt j-j kinda redundant it would just be a japanese dictionary just a random aside thinking logically about things

>>20834006

reported for spamming

>>20833976
I'll say it again since you didn't seem to hear me the first time:
You shouldn't assume that the first meaning listed in a dictionary entry is the literal meaning, because it often is not.
Do you know what "literal" means? It's different from "most commonly used." It doesn't even mean "what it's universally used as." All of the possessive meanings of 持つ are etymologically derived from the physical.

>>20834017

if you say "japanese dictionary" it doesnt necessarily imply that the definitions are in japanese

a japanese to english dictionary is still a japanese dictionary. it's definitely not an english dictionary.

well right thats why u would use j>e or w/e

but if its just japanese its just a japanese dictionary

im not worried about what the perma brain fucked japanese "learning" community cucks misinterpret things as because theyve been and will be doing it with japanese forever anyway

>>20834020
>Do you know what "literal" means? It's different from "most commonly used." It doesn't even mean "what it's universally used as." All of the possessive meanings of 持つ are etymologically derived from the physical.

lol this is not the way "literal" is used in the context of translation at all

there's no singular 'literal meaning' of any word. it still depends entirely on context which definition is to be used.

if there's a sentence like 車を持っています are you translating it as "I'm holding a car"? just because you have some fucked up idea of "holding is the literal definition!" makes absolutely 0 sense get outta my face

heres literally all the nihongo u need to know in 7 short seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYsI72ojRQ

oh boy we got unrest in the scanlation crew somebodys gettin kicked out whos it gonna be

>>20834051
>lol this is not the way "literal" is used in the context of translation at all
Glad we could clear this up.

わたしはliterallyゲイ

>>20834125
文字通り

文字通りに訳してみると"literally"

もうお嫁に行けない

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wlQi_wbQC4

Newfag here can't access both https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/ and https://djtguide.neocities.org/
help

good forget about em leave this thread and just go about ur business

if u do u have a better chance to learn japanese than those that didnt

when i cross my first 3 thresholds NOTHING will stop me from learning japanese but man is it taking forever.

>>20834359
Both sites seem to work fine here.

i'm holding my confidence

what is your opinion on matt vs japan?

smart guy who gets stuff wrong like we all do. full of himself but getting better about it. shouldn't be talked about so much here.

i don't understand this except for the latter meaning which i think is similar to 限り

>>20834466
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/144.htm

>>20834470
大黒天, you studied hjgp.

>大黒
>monk's wife
>monk's wife is a big nigga

>>20834442
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>20834470
short, sweet, and simple. thanks.

>>20834442
japan won

>>20833325
Lazy Kanji is a shit idea, primarily because you aren't supposed to do kanji to keyword. You're supposed to be keyword to kanji. Matt only recommends lazy kanji because he realized that RTK is pretty difficult and it causes some of his patreons to quit before they can be fully used by him to pay his monthly expenses. So he suddenly did a 180 on his opinion about Lazy Kanji and started recommending it with the assumption that you will go back and do RTK the right way later... which is just a big waste of time because you can do it right from the start.
>>20833334
Almost everything in RTK1 gets used pretty regularly.

>>20834592
>You're supposed to be keyword to kanji.
right. definitely a waste of time. i hope no other beginner has to suffer through that pointless nonsense. just do lazy kanji for the most frequent kanji and then start reading.

>>20834602
Doing lazy kanji is a waste of time, because the kanji is not supposed to be on the front of the card. You're trying to memorize the character, not the keyword, retard. You're apparently trying to get people to suffer with you because you did it the wrong way and didn't read the introduction of the book.

>>20834612
>You're trying to memorize the character
what a huge waste of time that is. it doesn't even necessarily help you remember the meaning of a kanji, so it won't help you remember many kinds of words. and all that effort for...being able to recall how to write all those kanji based on an english keyword, yet still not being able to read?

i did it with the keyword on the front, kanji on the back, and maintained a high retention rate doing so. huge waste of time. i hope no other beginner has to suffer through that pointless nonsense. just do kanji on the front, keyword on the back, and quit once you feel like you're able to start telling kanji apart more easily than when you started.

>>20834621
>what a huge waste of time that is. it doesn't even necessarily help you remember the meaning of a kanji
Illiterate confirmed. Keyword to kanji takes care of the other way around. Kanji to keyword doesn't. Again, the only waste of time is doing lazy kanji, because the kanji is not supposed to be on the front of the card. It's what you're trying to memorize which is why it goes on the back. Not only that, but doing kanji to keyword robs you of the ability to transition to Japanese keywords later (once you've finished RTK and have plenty of recognition cards in the form of sentence/vocab decks), thus preventing you from being able to essentially transition your RTK deck into a Japanese production deck for free, that of which gives you double mileage out of your RTK deck for almost no extra effort, and keeps your reviews relevant even when at an advanced level of Japanese.

It's just pants on head retarded and the only reason anyone who would actually do kanji to keyword is because they're too stupid to read the introduction of the book they're following and/or stupid enough to be a Matt patreon.

>>20834612
>reading english books to learn japanese
You just want the word order Heisig uses in your deck and to understand the radicals, besides that the books is just going to slow you down. I haven't seen a guy as out of touch with learning japanese as you in djt in a while.

>imagine looking at a bunch of english words and thinking you're learning japanese

>>20834654
>Keyword to kanji takes care of the other way around.
no it doesn't. i know first hand that it doesn't and i know others who finished RTK and couldn't tell the meaning of a kanji by looking at it. recalling how to write a kanji based on a keyword prompt and recalling the meaning of a kanji by looking at it are two separate things. there is some overlap, but for most kanji there wasn't.
>is not supposed to be on the front of the card
nobody cares what heisig claims you're "supposed" to do if what you're supposed to do is a huge waste of time.
>doing kanji to keyword robs you of the ability to transition to Japanese keywords later
if you're saying that you'll have to do a version of RTK with japanese keywords after reaching fluency and that this is somehow bad, that's fine by me. i hope that's what all beginners choose to do if they ever feel like learning to write. learning to write as a beginner is a herculean effort with little benefit. maintenance alone wasn't worth it.
>It's just pants on head retarded and the only reason anyone who would actually do kanji to keyword is because they're too stupid to read the introduction of the book they're following and/or stupid enough to be a Matt patreon.
i was stupid enough to do it the way heisig wanted me to and it took away hundreds of hours that could have been spent actually learning the language.

also pic related. i exported my RTK deck and deleted it within anki back in october but i imported it just now and took this screenshot.

>>20834671
These people are too stupid to live, but in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

>>20834675
and a pic of what my cards look like. above the line is the front of the card.

>>20834681
What is your keyword for 樹?

jamal you son of a bitch if you tricked me into spending all this time just to get me NTRd

>>20834695
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/%E6%A8%B9/index.html

>>20834697
haha sick jojo ref

>>20834697
Better go sanic fast. How much time you spend in combat will actually change the outcome of those scenes.

I think I'm gonna do what **** and brit recommended and just immediately drop reading material that I don't feel like reading. Normally I force myself to finish because dropping it feels like it's somehow cheating.

>>20834712
>spoiler

>>20834654
>Japanese production deck
ishiggydiggy

>>20834661
I guess passing N1 is under 2 years counts for nothing. I'll give 3/10 for effort though.
>>20834675
>no it doesn't. i know first hand that it doesn't
Yes it does. I know first hand that it does, and generally the only people who say it doesn't had bad review habits and/or poor stories.
>recalling how to write a kanji based on a keyword prompt and recalling the meaning of a kanji by looking at it are two separate things
Keyword to kanji takes care of the other way around. Kanji to keyword doesn't.
>nobody cares what heisig claims you're "supposed" to do if what you're supposed to do is a huge waste of time.
I hope you're not actually desperate enough to make the argument that the creator of the method has no idea what he is talking about in regards to the method. It's quite clear that you're salty that you wasted your time doing RTK the wrong way.
>if you're saying that you'll have to do a version of RTK with japanese keywords after reaching fluency
No, that's not what I'm saying, and your lack of reading comprehension is not surprising given that apparently you weren't even smart enough to read the introduction of the book. What I was saying is that doing kanji to keyword also robs you of the ability to transition to Japanese keywords later (once you've finished RTK and have plenty of recognition cards in the form of sentence/vocab decks), thus preventing you from being able to essentially transition your RTK deck into a Japanese production deck for free, that of which gives you double mileage out of your RTK deck for almost no extra effort, and keeps your reviews relevant even when at an advanced level of Japanese.
>learning to write as a beginner is a herculean effort with little benefit
Gaining literacy has little benefit in the context of learning a language? Do you actually read the stupid fucking stuff that you type?
>i was stupid enough
Yes, you were.
>to do it the way heisig wanted me to
No, it's pretty clear you wasted your time on Lazy Kanji which is why you're trying so hard to defend it. Sunk cost fallacy and all.

>>20834773
>generally the only people who say it doesn't had bad review habits and/or poor stories.
any evidence of that? i kept up with reviews and i dedicated a lot of effort to swapping out abstract concepts with more concrete visualizations. and i focused on the visualization when making stories and recalling them.
>Keyword to kanji takes care of the other way around.
not necessarily. you should say "it took care of it for me." it didn't take care of it for me or for matt drones.
>to make the argument that the creator of the method has no idea what he is talking about in regards to the method
yes, the creator of the method has no idea about the efficacy of his method as it's used by others.
>you weren't even smart enough to read the introduction of the book.
i'm confused as to why you keep saying stuff like this since i actually read the book.
>thus preventing you from being able to essentially transition your RTK deck into a Japanese production deck for free
this is the part i'm not understanding. why are you transitioning from something bad to something good? just do the good thing (japanese production deck).
>Gaining literacy has little benefit in the context of learning a language?
learning to write individual characters has little benefit in the context of comprehending the language.
>it's pretty clear you wasted your time on Lazy Kanji
do you think i photoshopped the screenshots or something? it's easy to just accuse you of lying about everything too. doesn't get anyone anywhere.

There's a guy who drops into this thread every few weeks/months and starts writing paragraphs defending RTK, throwing around accusations, and generally being hostile toward RTK's detractors. Why is this?

>>20834832
lack of moderation

also if you're not 1) using the book 2) using it the way it tells you to use it 3) using its exact contents 4) using it in the order intended
then you're not DOING rtk the BOOK, you're USING rtk AS A TOOL and have no right to attack people who are attacking rtk the BOOK

>>20834832
What exactly does this mean? Is this chart basically saying that if I complete core6k I'll know 71% of the words in Muramasa?

>>20834798
>any evidence of that?
The person who created the method.
>not necessarily. you should say "it took care of it for me." it didn't take care of it for me or for matt drones.
I think your problem is having Matt drones as your standard.
>yes, the creator of the method has no idea about the efficacy of his method as it's used by others.
Yes he does. He's only been interacting with users of his method for 3 decades.
>i'm confused as to why you keep saying stuff like this since i actually read the book.
You either didn't read the book, or you're an idiot. No one who has read even just the introduction would actually defend kanji to keyword. Believing it's a good idea is only possible with deep foundational misunderstandings in regards to how the method even works.
>this is the part i'm not understanding. why are you transitioning from something bad to something good?
RTK isn't bad. It's probably the most significant thing I did to reach a high level. And the point of the transition is that it's free to do, giving you double mileage. Doing kanji to keyword robs you of that benefit.
>learning to write individual characters has little benefit in the context of comprehending the language.
Literacy is more than just recognition. If you're content with being a gimp who can understand but, like some kind of special ed person, can't produce the language well then you can be a gimp.
>do you think i photoshopped the screenshots or something?
I don't care about your deck stats, I don't know if they're even yours, and even if they are it doesn't actually prove that you didn't do kanji to keyword.

>>20834852
yes. i think the hypothetical "ideal deck" is the 5k most frequent words derived from a frequency analysis of those VNs.

>>20834852
hi i made that image, "coverage" means the chance of knowing a random non-grammatical word picked from the text (so you have a higher chance of picking words that show up more), don't take it too seriously just use it to make fun of core please

I just took the blue pill and dropped anki
damn it feels good

>>20834859
>The person who created the method.
>Yes he does. He's only been interacting with users of his method for 3 decades.
heisig creating the method doesn't mean he knows its efficacy for the general population.
>I think your problem is having Matt drones as your standard.
i've read the same testimonies from people in places like kanji koohii. you're arguing these people are all doing it wrong. well OK then, but to me that just means doing it the right way is such hard work that they'd rather slouch. it's not a method i would recommend to most.
>No one who has read even just the introduction would actually defend kanji to keyword
i read the book and i understood his thought process albeit i don't take him at his word. it's not relevant to my suggestion that people do lazy kanji. i'm not saying that you can learn to write doing lazy kanji. i'm saying learning to write as a beginner is a waste and is time better spent reading or listening.
>Doing kanji to keyword robs you of that benefit.
doing english keyword to kanji robs you of hundreds of hours that could be spent learning the language.
>Literacy is more than just recognition.
comprehension is just comprehension which probably satisfies most people.

>>20834926
based.

おはいよございます

ewa50 is that you

>>20834934
ひさ

>>20834945
I don't get it. :(

>>20834950
It's short for ひさしぶり

>>20834958
Ah ok. That makes sense. We haven't covered that phrase in school yet, but having googled it I understand it now. Thank you.

>>20834861
wareya is that you

>>20835012
you should be able to recognize my communication style without asking imo

きょうは合流渠

今日も一日死にたい

>>20835044
wrong. but it's true that there's no point in asking.

>>20834931
>heisig creating the method doesn't mean he knows its efficacy for the general population.
Yes he does. He's only been interacting with users of his method for 3 decades.
>i've read the same testimonies from people in places like kanji koohii
Generally the only people who say it doesn't had bad review habits and/or poor stories. Heisig says it does for a reason. That's because, if you do it properly, it does.
>it's not relevant to my suggestion that people do lazy kanji.
I'm saying if you suggest at all that anyone do lazy kanji it is because you're either a Matt drone or you didn't read the book. No one who has read even just the introduction would actually defend kanji to keyword. Believing it's a good idea is only possible with deep foundational misunderstandings in regards to how the method even works.
>doing english keyword to kanji robs you of hundreds of hours that could be spent learning the language.
1. Learning how to write Japanese is a part of learning Japanese.
2. It teaches you more than just how to write, but how to produce the characters from memory, and also what they mean.
>comprehension is just comprehension which probably satisfies most people
If you can't write you're illiterate. It's that simple. If you're content with being a gimp who can understand but, like some kind of special ed person, can't produce the language well then that's on you. RTK done the right way not only knocks writing out of the literacy equation but makes the rest of the journey easier as well.

>>20835044
What's harder, learning Japanese, or learning to program well enough to land a job?

I never saw the point in RTK personally. I just learn how to write kanji when I encounter it in a word, throw it into anki and thus far I've had very good recall.

maybe i'm just a big brain boy

>outputfriends
please go to /int/, please go to /int/, please go to /int/

>>20835103
安らかに死中です

>>20835152
Learning Japanese, definitely.

>>20835166
へんなにほんごっぽいけど

ちょっとにほんっぽいとおもう

>>20835163
Who cares what's posted past the bump limit.

>>20835152
you can get a job programming without knowing what a recursive function is or how references in dynamic languages work so im not sure this is a fair question

im a shut-in neet anyway so perhaps getting a job is the hardest of all

my intuition points towards Japanese being harder but only because programming came so natural to me and the bar is so low

>>20835166
死中のシチュだめである。
我はお前を助けに来るから待って。

>>20835178
Then programming is probably harder. You were just gifted with a high IQ.

>>20835173
it's yucky and turns me off. can't jerk off in /djt/ while people are talking about "outputting." i want "input." "input."
私はゲイだから

>>20835186
iq is a meme anyways what really matters is reading a lot and not going hungry

>>20835192
remember to stay hydrated
retention can drop by upwards of 60% if you aren't having enough water
take proper care of your head sponge

>>20835152
日本語はいつもやっている最悪の事です

これからは何をしようもないことになるんだよ

あたしは変態の女の子わよ

>>20835184
わからん

the fuck does からより mean again? from from?

写真かそれは起こらなかった

>>20835240
context

You don't know shit about Japanese if you keep mixing up these.
瓧 瓩 瓲 瓰 瓱 瓸 甅

>>20835309
wtf these kanji are so nice why arent they used more

You guys listen to any podcasts in japanese? I tried listening to the IGN Japan one but it's pretty boring.

>>20835309
つかったことないよ

>>20835163
Both the fact that you think people who disagree with you aren't welcome, and the fact that you misuse the quote function like a newfriend, means that you ironically are the one who doesn't belong here and needs to fuck back off to /v/ and /a/ or whatever hole you crawled out of. You're not going to learn Japanese.

seN-niN

>>20833171
>do u want my jikushokei vocaroo ill make 1 i swear 2 fuckin god if thats enough to send u over the edge ill do it
do it already you fucking puss

what does のじゃいが　mean? is master roshi speaking some dialect of japanese?

>>20835524

かめせんにん

>>20835627

のじゃが*

google has its own japanese dictionary. interesting

>>20835152
Obviously Japanese.

>>20835627
じゃ is old man speak for だ

>>20835746
Isn't it also a dialectal version of da in a few regions?

>>20835760
yes

i think じゃ was used in tokyo dialect at one point or something but then the 山の手 fags decided their gay dialect was gonna be the standard. anyway the point is that roshi uses stereotypical anime old man japanese

>>20835646
>chrome
>>>/a/

>>20832435
Okay so does 年代 just mean the same thing as 時代 or is there a difference? I checked Weblio and Jisho and they both mean age, but is one just more commonly used than the other?

わかったじゃあプランＢでいこう

プランＢはなんだ？

can anyone actually watch this guys content for more than 5 seconds without cringing?
>extemely punchable face
>slurs words on purpose to seem more japanese
>built like a 10 year old
my stomach turns when i see his stomach, and i would kill myself if i sounded like him when im done studying nihongo

やっぱ
昼飯はハンバーガーだよね

>>20836187

>>20836187
おちゃつけられますか

コーラはむり

>>20836218
お茶とハンバーガってマジか

Done with my anki reps for the day. Time to watch some anime. What are anons watching this season?

>>20836162
>slurs words on purpose to seem more japanese
the fuck does this even mean? are you one of those retards who thinks that gaijin should never say ねえ instead of ない? you don't even know japanese, why the fuck do you have opinions on other peoples' japanese ability?

>>20836230
おおまじ

>>20836218
炭酸飲料はできないのか

>>20836268
>you dont even know japanese
and this is relevant how? he sounds like a massive faggot, i just cant imagine how people can sit through entire videos of his without wanting to throw up

ur my kinda guy dude

>>20836240
this pic always triggers me cuz this dudes bad haircut is even worse than average bc of how uneven it is seriously did he do it himself like wtf

>>20836437
when he tilts his head his hairline is straight pretty clever

>>20836162

i definitely agree. he's the definition of "tryhard". his content is also not funny/interesting at all, like the video about logan paul or jake paul or whoever the fuck it was. same lame ass joke for 3 mins that just to make it seem like he's so in tune w/ japanese culture and etiquette, as if japanese people dont act like dickheads. i was in a taxi in shinjuku and someone kicked the back of it as it turned a corner cause they got too close. the 和 must have escaped that one.

>>20836058

one is used like ４０年代 to mean specifically from 1940-1949 (or w/e 40s it is in context). you can't say ４０時代. you have to be talking about a more broad period, typically either based on the era like 平成時代 or a generally accepted broad period of history like 戦国時代 or 江戸時代