/jp/ - Otaku Culture

バカじゃないの。

>Dumped 70k flower stones on this gacha
>Literally nothing
>No way to farm stones and the next time the character comes back it will be at 0.5% rates

I hate this game. Guarantees when?

>literally all i need to AW2 Katie right now is a single orb
The waiting hurts.

So, Dine and others, who left behind, will never receive their 2AW art, right?

As of noon of 3/3
>1st: Hermit 13.22%
>2nd: Rinne 8.6%
>3rd: ShuXian 5.65%
>4th: Sybilla 4.67%
>5th: Lapis 4.4%
>6th: Paizuri
>7th: Moltena
>8th: Sylvia
>9th: Altair
>10th: Kyubi
Nothing really out of the ordinary, based on who got in the top 30.

>>20928607
Esports were a mistake

>>20928607
>Paizuri
Who? Ingrid?

>>20929034
lolicept slut

>>20929034
Ingrid doesn't even have a paizuri scene.

>>20929093
gonna have to be more specific

It's complete bullshit how you don't get your subjugation attempt if something happens and your run is interrupted.
My game crashed right after the CLEAR! screen but before the rewards tally up and apparently this doesn't count and now that's 15 fucking hours worth of stamina down the drain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IYygYEkho

http://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv318518236

New FKG Info time from the Spin-off.

Maybe something on the Collab or new Knights (probably more from the detective duo considering the title)?

>>20930094

>>20930094
5* Shizu too.

Probably Date Event only.

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>>20930110

>>20930117

>>20930124

>>20930125

>>20930124
Nice tits
>>20930125
Tits should be bigger

>>20930129
Unless I'm mistaken, it will be limited to the "all ages" version (iOS, Google Play, DMM all ages).

Collab is an one time thing, no second chance at obtaining the girls if you fail to do so during the event.

No h-scenes, placeholders in the R18 version. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

>>20930140

>>20930144
Tomorrow's event preview

>>20930146
6* Fennel

>>20930144
They will only appear in their Gacha banner and not obtainable by Rainbow Medals or D-Tickets. They wouldn't have Valentine or Christmas Cards but they have Seasonal voices. But no limited seasonal voice. Their Character Quest will be a bit different from the usual.

>>20930152
Surprised to see a new Southern Cross

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>>20930162

>>20930158
Beautiful

>>20930169
Do 5x 11 roll and you will get a rainbow gacha ticket. Fennel isn't guaranteed but has a very high chance of appearing.

Nakia, Eden, Barous, or Belphe?

>>20930175
Of course they add this back after I went nearly 150k in without a rainbow
fuck it dropping it for good this time
needed to drop something to make room for grable anyways

>>20927985
> 0,5% rates will be back
pls no

>>20930197
Depends on what your current need is

Cutie? dick pick. Disposable tank? Barous can be ridiculous. Independent duelling? Eden. Rainbow crystals? Nakia

>>20930242
This is probably the best post made by the autistic retard we've had yet.

やったぜ。

>>20930152
At last the moment I was saving my stones for. Can't really spend much on collab gacha as a result unfortunately.

>>20930341
Obsessed

>>20930335
>rainbow crystals
She's that bad? I guess I'll pump Barous for now-- she's only borderline loli, but Eden and Belphe especially seem like they require a lot more investment to be useful.

>>20930357
Projection. I also haven't even made fun of you in months autismo, you really need to expand that peanut brain and realize that there's probably 4-5 people that have been regularly making fun of your autistic outbursts.

do you prefer if danchou is kept as danchou in translations of changed to something else like leader, commander, etc?

>>20930525
>you
>your
Still obsessed.
I know you really, really want anyone who dislikes any bit of FKG to be all the same person, and this may shatter your entire worldview, but: that is not the case.

>>20930426
Well, they're all kind of eh, but each have their niches. Nakia is cool if you're trying to run a demon team, but she herself isn't anything to write home about.

They all need to be AW'd & SAW'd to be useful.

>>20930581
I had considered a demon team, since I got her and both majins pretty much right next to each other. This is pretty much all I have for a team right now, though, so my threshold for 'useful' is a bit lower. Just waiting on orbs to AW Shengpu/Iris and AW2 Katie, and silver fairies to AW Spica. Should probably rotate Leeanne out for Miruno, since she's too weak to actually tank shit in e.g. the popularity contest mission.

>>20930140
I'm honestly surprised they're doing this, considering there's been a vote during a previous live stream where 80%+ voted for no "all ages only" collabs.

This brings up the question what the current distribution between the different versions is like; did the mobile launch attract so many people that they are now outweighing R18 players? Or is it still way too low so they have to resort to collabs with famous IPs?

Not gonna bother with it myelf, because I'd have to use a VPN to circumvent DMM.com's block, just to have some placeholder units when I get back to R18 after the collab.

>>20930615
you're way too fresh to even start considering specialized teams

>>20930626
fkg's scenes aren't anything special, there's no variety so after watching few, it's hard to fap to them
they can still provide some information about the girl's past or make her character more fleshed out but date scenes can do as much

if we're thinking about the same poll, it was before date scenes were a thing so I can't think of it as a good representation of people's wishes

>>20930650
Lack of h-scenes isn't the point though, but the fact that you have to be on the all ages version to even see collab the characters. Basically, a huge pain in the ass if you've been playing R18 all this time.

>>20930564
If you think I'm the FKG guy because I'm making fun of you you're horribly mistaken, but I wouldn't put it past an autistic SEAnigger with a victim complex who's moving onto reddit games to really understand that.

>>20930140
>Unless I'm mistaken, it will be limited to the "all ages" version (iOS, Google Play, DMM all ages).
>>20930626
>I'm honestly surprised they're doing this, considering there's been a vote during a previous live stream where 80%+ voted for no "all ages only" collabs.
They did. I hope they get crucified for this, honestly. They knew nobody wanted it. No one -ever- wants split content like this in -any- game.

>>20930681
Are you the same guy defending Nutaku before?

>>20930681
I don't.
You're the aspie with tourette's that can't seem to write a single sentence without sperging like 13 year old to show how mature he is.

>>20930626
Actually, all-ages FKG does not block foreign ISPs. (I prefer all-ages version myself.)
Content separation sucks but that can't be helped, especially when FKG has been trying to build up a mainstream image in recent times.

>>20931119
I can honestly understand wanting to grow your business and even separate yourself from a certain image, but what's even the point of asking your fanbase about something, getting an overwhelming response against it, and then doing it anyway? Did they really think that was going to play well?

>>20931119
>>20931131
Personally, I don't see why they can't have the event in the R-18 side too, just have the "H-scene" be blocked out or have the same short dialogue you get if you Max 2nd Affection with someone who doesn't have Bloom Artwork.

>>20931140
It's complicated man. Seiyuu would object to have a public name associated with an R18 game for example.

>>20931152
FKG doesn't reveal seiyuu names at all though.

>>20931158
But the show has well-known seiyuus right?
AraiP even said that the characters will be voiced by the anime VAs.

>>20931232
Just remove the voices?
Or don't I dunno, in Kamihime Mikuru and Nagato are still voiced by their anime VAs in the R18 client.
No idea about Haruhi, didn't get her.
I am the bassist.

Just browsing through the FKG JP Wiki to see the reactions and it's mostly, "not in the R18 side, so don't care", "It's Aigis all over again.", "feels like it got forced on by DMM" and "introducing a pseudo-safety net at the same time seems like an attempt to sabotage the collab".

Fun stuff.

>>20931273
This might be pointless to ask before FKG even updates, but for those of us who weren’t around for the Arslan Senki collab, how were the situations and reactions similar?

>>20931428
I don't remember much about Arslan, but I know people were unhappy with the Seven Deadly Sins collab for the same reasons.

>>20931428
Waiting to see the full nip reaction about this, as they voted ovewhelmingly against all-age collabs.
The reaction to Arslan was terrible, and people got even madder when they realized how bullshit Narsus was. Not only was the esports unit a collab black, but he was also a male from an all-ages one.

>>20931479
Funnily enough, I have seen some posters get more excited for the replacement units that the R18 side will probably get as compensation and if they are cute enough, they will roll the collab for the replacement units.

>>20931479
I remember the Aigis iOS app getting review bombed thanks to Narsus. Fun times.

>>20930094
>This shit after I already used up all my stones
>Not obtainable by gacha tickets or rainbow medals
>PLACEHOLDERS IN THE R-18 VERSION

This plus the safety guarantee coming back feels like I'm being kicked in the balls. I love the collab but holy shit its being handled so fucking badly that I feel only disappointment at it.

>>20930341
I'm not him but I'd consider dropping the game too depending how its handled too. This update is so awful that I could write a literal essay on how bad they're handling it.
Good thing they're the best and most generous developers that always listen to their playerbase right? Who even cares that 90% of the playerbase didn't want content locked to the all ages version anyway?

>Release guarantee gacha after everyone used up their gems on anniversary shit and the gachas for it
There's just so many levels of scum here that I could write a fucking essay about it.

cygames is probably the only company with good anniversaries this year

>>20931728
i agree la

Metus or Eterna? Someone help me out here.

Finally got Tempest Stone's slots. I really hope future iterations are more lenient on the grinding, even with 630% bonus this took fucking forever, and it's only halfway to a perfect copy.

>>20931735
Its true though
Apparently other companies are too incompetent to put together a nice event for anniversary

>>20931694
>after everyone used up their gems on anniversary shit and the gachas for it
Just to play Devil's Avocadate here, since I'm one of those that threw everything for Oncidium, but the anniversary itself didn't make you roll more than any other Event. They did do the Free 11 Rolls thing but that wouldn't make you spend more gems to roll in other banners. Like, what anniversary shit was there that made it so different from any other Event?

>>20931765
Didn't they hit #1 on the Rankings when this event and the related gacha launched?
I have a feeling it won't change unless nips on the DMM community sites or wherever were bitching.

>>20931792
>Like, what anniversary shit was there that made it so different from any other Event?
Guarantees didn't come for anniversary so you could think that they're not doing it again and that its safe to roll. Bringing back guarantees -AFTER- everyone thought it was safe to roll on anniversary banners is peak scum and the collab stuff is just the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is this game.

>>20931742
Spend a few SC and get both, then vote for Sheng Pu with the tickets you earn.

So I get why you would store up irons in the 4* or lower storage since they're just CC foddee but what about bronzes?
They're exp fodder and serve no other purpose, why the fuck would you put them in storage and reset their level?
I just don't get it

>>20931742
Eterna is a lot more useful.

>>20931767
Cygames also announced their collaboration with another IP with months of anticipation so their players can prepare for it. Meanwhile at FKG, you don't even get to play as the characters unless you switch to a different version of the game.

I'm glad I saved up stones, since we'd knew a collab was coming.

>Used up all my stones rolling for the cute girls they put out
>This update

>>20931839
Same.
I think I'll roll for Fennel though.

>>20931839
Its okay, you won't be able to use them even if you roll them unless you're willing to constantly switch between R18 and all ages. God I can't believe the FKG developers are this generous. LIke, how do other games even compare to their wonderful 0.5% rates, decisions that fuck over their entire playerbase and currency gain that is directly tied to how generous they're feeling because its impossible to farm rolls in game?

>>20931862
For rainbow ticket?

>>20931880
FKG just continues to prove they're the literal joke of the mobile game market

the part nobody is noticing is that they brought back the "guarantee" feature but removed the ability to give you the rateup girl guaranteed and made it more like the aigis version where it just gives you a guaranteed black that might or might not be the rateup one.
going to laugh eternally about how the memes with them thinking the first iteration of the guarantee was too generous for a game like this were true.

>>20931765
Can you give me a quick rundown on what the fuck I'm supposed to be doing in this event? I'm trying to finish it up and despite having been working on it already, I have no fucking clue what I'm doing or what my goal should be.

>>20931882
My top priority at the moment is Fennel, but a rainbow ticket for 55 rolls sounds nice when I have the stones to burn.

>>20931810
>Bringing back guarantees -AFTER- everyone thought it was safe to roll on anniversary banners is peak scum and the collab stuff is just the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is this game.
I see your point, I guess that's one way you could read the anniversary and call it out when it brings back the guarantee(which is also not permanent, just a neat bonus for celebrating the spin-off stream). Would it be the same if it brought it back a few more months later? Or would it be okay because there's time to recover from the anniversary?

Personally, I was also wiped clean after Oncidium's banner (around 600oo gone) but got back to 275oo after everything, so I'm not sure if it's fully a time thing. But yeah, version-gated collabs do suck though, pretty sure everyone agrees with that.

>>20931916
Get the boosters from the gacha if you can, then put them in your party and run the event stages as many times as possible. Each run gives exp towards leveling up Tempest Stone. You can't level her up normally, as far as I know.

>>20931906
>the part nobody is noticing is that they brought back the "guarantee" feature
They didn't though. It's going away again after Fennel's banner. If anything, devs are saying to roll that and ignore the collab.

>>20931925
Its because its the anniversary. If its later on the year and you spent all your stones on the gacha before then tough shit because nobody can read the future.
But its assumed that the anniversary is a HUGE milestone where you want to make your players happy and thank them for sticking with you for a whole year and that its the best time to do anything. If they were going to bring out a guarantee, they should have done it during the anniversary but bringing it out after the anniversary celebrations are done and everyone is clean is so shit that I can't even begin to describe it with words.

>>20931765
I think the main problem with this event is that people did not understand that you're not supposed to get a lvl 40 Tempest with a bonus of 630% and grinding.
You're supposed to whale (or save up free gems) for the two bonus girls at max LB for a total of 1900% bonus.

Supposedly you can carry over tickets to the next Renkiden event, so future events might get a bit easier.

>>20931931
And Tempest Stone is the only unit you get for free out of this event, unlike the others? And who are the bonus units? Just the two brown girls?

>>20931936
>Have to decide between the once ever collab that you can't even use the characters from
>Or to roll for an easy guarantee rainbow (that wont even be the rateup)
I hope everyone at their HQ gets crucified for this

>>20930344
I miss being able to read whats going on.

>>20931694
>Release guarantee gacha after everyone used up their gems on anniversary shit and the gachas for it

Literally who was even doing this.

Most of us were bitching about not getting rainbows in the daily free rolls. It’s only the autistic folks with a hateboner for the game that were dumping several hundred gems at once and bitching about the lack of a pity rate, and even then, that wasn’t tied to the anniversary in particular.

If there’s one thing that’s actually scummy about all this, it’s that they’ve done the guarantee thing twice for random alts, instead of the long-awaited Seven Herb loli that proved so popular that she immediately shot up to second place in the 2018 poll, or the bunny loli with the most fucked-up backstory we’ve seen in a while.

But rolling for rainbows has always been a crapshoot. The collab is undoubtedly going to suck for RNG, but that has nothing to do with poor impulse control during the anniversary.

tl;dr If you’re going to shitpost about the game being scummy, at least be accurate about what it’s scummy about.

>>20931978
It's just that I couldn't contain my joy of scoring a Holy Monique from a normal envelope, on a file I had less expectations on, after the 5* envelopes just threw non-EX dupes at me.

>>20932046
>Literally who was even doing this.
The post you're replying to, the post that replied to it, the people that posted how they went hard for Oncidium, the people that went hard for Usagigoke and the people that went super hard for either but got nothing and it made a real autist make an absolute ass out of himself by crying about how guarantees are BAD and we shouldn't ever get one.

>>20932046
Its still extremely scummy to pull this shit completely out of the blue after everyone was cleaned out of stones with the banners, celebrations and everything.

Its so bad to the point where its almost malicious with them running the guarantee at the same time as the collab too.

>>20932060
>the people that posted how they went hard for Oncidium, the people that went hard for Usagigoke and the people that went super hard for either
Not the person you quoted, but how would a random guaranteed rainbow make up for not getting Onci or Usagi?
Most people here who go super hard are already sporting a full rainbow roster, so a random rainbow they might not like or consider useful doesn't really help with not getting the girl(s) they wanted.

>>20932083
It doesn't make up for it at all but going 50k+ stones deep in the banner with no rainbow then the developers announcing a collab AND a guarantee at the same time after you got fucked hard by the gacha feels like a real kick in the nuts.

>>20931947
I just wish they were a lot more generous with the free skip tickets and EX tickets.
Even if I had a full bonus I probably wouldn't have grinded out that many points to begin with because of how tedious it is.

>>20932060
>>20932089
The one that went hard for Oncidium here, I didn't go into Oncidium thinking "Oh man, the anniversary didn't have a guaranteed safety, guess it's safe to roll everything for Oncidium.", I did it because it was Oncidium. If they said "Oh, we are rolling out a guarantee next Gacha", I would still roll for Oncidium because I can't care about a unit that I don't know about. And it's not like we don't know about the collab, it's been announced since the anniversary stream itself, so throwing everything if you wanted a chance at the collab is on you. Also, probably not rolling on Fennel's banner because throwing 250oo stones on a banner that I'm not interested in for a random rainbow is too steep for me.

>>20932083
>so a random rainbow they might not like or consider useful doesn't really help with not getting the girl(s) they wanted.
It's mostly a consolation prize to soften the wound for not getting what you want really. It's even more beneficial for those that don't have/have few rainbows cause it can boost up their team.

>>20932139
>And it's not like we don't know about the collab
We didn't have details on what was going to be the collab or how horrible they were going to handle it though. This is possibly the worst handling of a collaboration event that I have ever seen which is pretty fitting for a game like this.

>>20932152
>All ages exclusive collab when literally nobody wanted one
>Guarantee running at the same time as the collab
I'm honestly just dying to see what hilarious mental gymnastics we're going to see when that one shill guy tries to defend this.

Is Anri useful for the Golem subjugation?

>The collab story will only be in the album during the collab event's duration.
>They're not even keeping it in the journal/album after its over like other games
>No bloom art and no plans to give them bloom art
>Can't even use the extremely hard to get and expensive rainbow points to get the collab 6* while its running

Someone please tell me why did they even bother

>>20932175
>>20932200
>All ages exclusive collab when literally nobody wanted one
>Guarantee running at the same time as the collab
Isn't that a good thing then? If it's a all-age collab that literally no one, including the devs, want. Isn't the guarantee running at the same time be great? R18 side can't even do the collab, so it literally has no bearing on it.

Honestly, from the looks of things, it really feels like it was set up to fail. Like something that got pushed by the higher-ups at DMM and they decided to go maximum low effort on it with the guarantee being the fuck you finisher.

>>20932213
Honestly the part that gets me the most is the "Can't use the rainbow points to get the collab rainbow" part. Calculate how much money/time it takes to get to 300 points and give me a reason why I shouldn't be able to use these points on the unit if I'm a fan of the series.

The entire collab is the biggest, fattest fuck you I have ever seen to the players and I don't want to hear how these guys are a generous company that listens to their players ever again.

>>20932213
Personally I'm just extremely pissed at this load of bullshit after going 70k stones with no rainbow this week. Having a collab rainbow with 1% rates that you can't get any other way is a slap to the face and having a guarantee at 25k with a real cutie rainbow is a kick in the nuts.

>>20932089
I used up 300oo stones for Usagi and didn't get her, but as >>20932139 wrote, I would have used them even if I had known about the ticket.

Honestly, the worst part about this all is that I don't get to lewd Milim. Otherwise I would have happily spent whatever they charge to get her.

>>20931950
Yeah, those two. I think 1 copy of spodumene was free, but you'll have to get more from the gacha if you want to get anywhere.

honestly if this is the road fkg is going to be taking from now on then i'd really rather quit and just read the stories on youtube

>>20932179
Not really

>>20930094
>Isekai

Is it any good? I just watched Jesus smartphone, deathmarch and that valkyria one with the guy who fuck everyone but his sister.

>>20932327
If you watch it then you'll just be sad at how shit they're handling the collab

>>20932335
I know the collab is shit, they even put more clothes on the pink haired slut, I just want to know if the anime is remotely fun since I see so many mobages doing collabs about it.

>>20932358
Its pretty fun yeah

>>20932327
Don't know the other two, but it's somewhat similar to Deathmarch, albeit less comfy and less lolis. It's definitely one of the better ones, though.

>>20932327
>>20932358
>still no genderbender isekai
Jap shit taste etc

>>20931742
Metus for the scenes
Eterna if you want to pretend you'll get someone useful to deploy, because the only time I used Metus was for her bond quest.

>>20932382
Isn't there a ton of those?

Honestly, I'm more excited about the characters the R18 version gets as replacement. Since the collab characters have their flower representations too (a la Night Maher or Girls' symphony's Anri), maybe there will actually be another set of normal flower knights based on these flowers like usual.
>>20932213
>pushed by the higher-ups at DMM
Given some weird collabs in recent past like that Cells at Work x Kanpani Girls, I wouldn't reject that possibility. And don't forget the ones with Haruhi and friends.

>>20932419
Nothing to really be excited about when the collab is set up to fail and piss off anyone that was slightly interested in it

>>20932417
Fuck. I mean anime

>>20932382
Saga of Tanya the Evil. You're welcome.

>>20932434
Nothing wrong with being optimistic.
Sure the collab feels shit but I don't really care about some random isekai anime.
My condolences to all the fans though.

>>20931950
I would have thought one would be free, but I'm done with the story and haven't seen one and that's how they've been giving them out. Weird. I"ll keep plugging away.

>>20932358
>they even put more clothes on the pink haired slut
Honestly, setting aside all of the ethics of what they're doing with everything else, this was one of the things that bothered me the most. It's probably for Apple (and these days maybe Google, too), but why does it have to be that way on the other all-ages versions? Even if you did play all-ages instead of R18, you'd still be getting a censored unit. The one I imagine is probably the most wanted among FKG's base, too.

The real question is, will the developers of the game step up and make this entire situation less shit or will they double down on the bullshit and continue going down the path of extreme greed?

>>20932565
There's just so much to complain about the collab from how they changed her already all-ages design to give her a full body dress to making her a rainbow that you have to roll (whale) for in the two week window they gave you to everything else they brought up. Them confirming she's never going to get bloom art hurts a lot too.

>>20932565
So they're not making an alternate version for DMM's unrestricted side?

>>20932631
R18 DMM gets placeholders. I hope the placeholders end up being of higher quality than the collab art just so the fire rises and the developers have to address how they suck at managing their game.

>>20932618
>Them confirming she's never going to get bloom art hurts a lot too.
I didn't even know about this. I know a lot of people thought it was a dumb argument last time, but I hope everyone who argued in favor of them holding onto bloom art instead of just commissioning it and having it ready at unit release chokes on the fattest dick they come across today.

>>20932647
They have zero plans to revisit this collab or allow players to revisit it so giving her bloom art later on would be a waste of money in their eyes I guess. But putting this awful collab that makes you want to ask them why did they even bother already feels like a gigantic waste of money to me already.

>>20932639
I meant all-ages DMM.
For Aigis, outfits are still lewd but you get a mini story instead of a scene. But for iOS and Google, outfits are censored into modesty.

>>20932647
- The collab event and collab gacha will only be available on the following platforms:
- All-ages PC browser version
- iOS version
- Google Play version
- If you get a collab character on any of the above platforms and try to use them on one of the not listed platforms, they will appear as a substitute character with a different name and display. Their abilities will not change.
- The collab characters' skill flowers and equipment flowers follow the same rules as above.
- The collab story will only be in the album during the collab event's duration. Please read the story while the collab event is in session.
- At the moment, there's no plans to reprint the collab event.
- Aside from 5* Shizu, the collab characters are only able to be obtained through the collab gacha. You cannot obtain them in other gachas like the premium gacha.
- At the moment, there's no plans to reprint the collab gacha.
- It is not possible to trade for collab characters using rainbow medals, tickets, etc.
- The collab characters can undergo evolution and powers-only blooming. The 5* collab characters can go through rarity growth. When blooming them, their illustrations do not change.
- Collab characters are not planned to have Valentine or Christmas cards.
- Collab characters have seasonal voices. However, there is no plans to add additional time-limited voices like seasonal voices.
- Character quests for collab characters will work a bit differently than typical flower knight's character quests.

Basically, they're never going to get anything else after the collab goes away because they plan on burying it forever after its over. Seems like a cheap attempt at making their playerbase whale for 6* Millim because you can't get her any other way that isn't whaling or getting extremely lucky.

>>20932659
That's what I mean. Why didn't they just commission the bloom art and have it all ready when the banner released? It's one thing to not do anything else to them going forward, but it's another to just not let them have post-release features because of it. That's just lazy and cheap.

>>20932714
The entire collab is a lazy and extremely cheap cashgrab by everyone's favorite most generous developers though.

>>20932714
No point in wondering why they didn't handle it better when they could have done absolutely everything better regarding the collab instead of setting it up to fail like this. At this point I'm just hoping Japan riots and complains about it enough so they have to answer and do something about it instead of eating it up and praising them for this entire shitfest.

>>20932722
You won't hear any arguments from me. I love the FKG devs and what they do for the game, but I have no idea what they were thinking. These next two weeks worth of content are already shaping up to go extraordinarily poorly for them and I don't see it getting any better once it actually hits in about half a day. Hopefully the blowback will snap them out of whatever stupor they're in right now to not just approve all of this but move forward with it.

>Today's FKG update

>>20932083
>Most people here who go super hard are already sporting a full rainbow roster
Stop assuming.
I only roll for girls I like so I naturally end up with a ton of jewels for when they come around.
But then again the free rolls gave me more rainbows than my hard earned jewels (as in, a number higher than 0).

I guess that's the gacha's way of telling me having favorites is dumb. Oh well, with monety coming back basically never, some of my favorites were well on their way to not get anything new ever so that sucks.

>Save 300 rainbow points for an unit I really wanted
>An unit I really want comes around
>But you can't use rainbow points on her

Going to personally burn down the headquarters for fkg

I for one appreciate the guaranteed random rainbow knight because I only have 6 rainbows so far (and one of them is rarity grown).

Shame about the event not being on R-18, though. Even if I don't really want any of those characters, h-scene or not.

Fuck it, I'm done.

This event wouldn't be nearly as bad if A) pull rates on the gacha weren't absolute garbage, and B) EX tickets weren't just a fairy tale. The scaling after this point is also ridiculous. Now it's as much to the next level as it was to get this far.

Thoughts on collab: Jesus Christ, it's like they took everything that made the Hanahime collab good and took a dump on it. Maher got a H-scene, a 'she isn't really Maher so it doesn't count as NTR' excuse/good translation to the game through the Katakuri connection (which is the birthflower for her birthday), and some dumb accessory no one cares about as the exclusive reward to people who buy the game, so no one felt left out.

Slime got everything people absolutely hated about limited collabs, at a period of time where DMM players are completely sick about the notion thanks to Kanpani and Shiropro's recent limited collab crazes (at least Aigis got it right with Rance and Grisaia lacking exclusives). I'm even miffed at the flower picks because it semi-sinks the 'Enkianthus is a knight school student' theory from the prequel.

Fennel's rainbow guarantee is the cherry on top of the shit cake, but at least I can use it now since I knew it would come back sometime. You know how I said spark-type pity mechanics were shit because being banned from rolling until you have 320 flower stones sucks? Yup, here we are and it still sucks.

Silver lining: Was right about washbasin girl being Luffah, Ananas (aka 'we're still Loli Knight Devs and we won't stop until every busty character gets a loli counterpart') is cute and might belong to Orange Corps.

>>20933688
>You know how I said spark-type pity mechanics were shit because being banned from rolling until you have 320 flower stones sucks? Yup, here we are and it still sucks.
It's only bad because they changed it from being a guarantee of the new unit to being "Maybe you'll get them if you're lucky I guess." Otherwise only having to roll half the average amount of gems to get a guaranteed rainbow is pretty fucking sweet.

>>20933688
Its not really the cherry on top because they even went and made the guarantee worse. Last guarantee gave you cowslip no questions asked while this one is like aigis guarantee where you still have a pretty high rate to get memed on with an offbanner.

Even worse is that they're bringing back this limited deal at the same time as the collab to sabotage it and really drive the point that they're desperate for money and needed a quick cashgrab without caring about what their players want.

>>20933688
>at least Aigis got it right with Rance and Grisaia lacking exclusives
Grisaia was Kamihime.
Aigis got that new Eushully game

Meanwhile in the world of actually good collabs, cygames showing other DMM games how its done.

>All details announced with several months of warning so everyone can save for it and not get caught with their pants down
>Spark system in place to guarantee your collab girls
>Fully voiced stories
>Scenario and animated ending theme by the original series composer

>>20933758
Cygames also has a lot more money than the others.

>>20933774
I bet the others would have more money if they handled their stuff better instead of doing dumb things like this entire collab fiasco.

>>20933703
>Otherwise only having to roll half the average amount of gems to get a guaranteed rainbow is pretty fucking sweet.
Eh, we've talked about this before. It's a sweet deal, but I'd rather have rainbows remain exclusive than the "you can never use flower stones on anything except to gather 250 and buy a rainbow, because that method is so sweet that it's unthinkable to waste stones on others" road.

If your thing is storing your resources before getting the girls you want guaranteed, there's Kancolle. But I find Kancolle insufferably boring, so I wouldn't really root for a more KC-like FKG.

>>20933783
>but I'd rather have rainbows remain exclusive
I don't want to sound like that one guy that crams as many insults as he can into one post but this line of thinking is extremely retarded.

Like sure, I'd fully understand trying to keep rainbows exclusive if there was gameplay or a reason to keep them exclusive but it makes zero sense in a collecting game like this where the sole reason to play and continue playing is collecting the characters and getting invested on the characters and only serves to bring both financial and emotional pain depending on how invested you are. If a game like Aigis that actually has gameplay and reasons to make (and keep) blacks exclusive ended up making them more accessible to the playerbase as a whole then why can't FKG do it?

And its not "storing your resources". Its wanting a return for spending astronomical amounts of resources and getting nothing in return only for the game to spit on you. If they kept the entire "Guaranteed rainbow every 25k stones" then it'd be pretty reasonable and you wouldn't feel like absolute shit after dumping 100k for no rateup because you at least got SOMETHING out of the deal but dumping that amount of stones and getting absolutely nothing for it then defending that as the way everything should be because guarantees are bad is honestly just the most retarded take I've ever seen when it comes to gacha games.

The collab really stinks of the usual DMM collab with popular anime, as if they were designed by the same bunch. Although, I don't get the complaints about limited time characters, that's always a staple of collabs, isn't it? Maher is the exception.

>>20933845
>that's always a staple of collabs, isn't it?
Depends on the game doing it?
All games can handle collabs differently like deciding if there will be a limited gacha or no gacha, if it will make all the characters event freebies or if it wants to rerun the collab in the future or not.
I play a bunch of games that rerun collabs but it usually takes them from six months to a year+ to rerun the collab but it does eventually come back so you have another shot at the collab but FKG chose to grab what everyone absolutely hates about collabs, crammed it into an update and gave it the go ahead to pretty much fuck everyone over who had the slightest interest in the collab.

What's the point of collabs anyways?

>>20933883
>>20933845
Also, collabs can also be non-limited. Granblue fantasy for example added a few collabs to sidestories that can always be accessed so you can get the Aqours girls and read their event at any time so its not limited either. Not every game does collabs the same way so it really depends what the company wants to do or if they want to be seen as that game with the cashgrab event/collab with no regard for its players.

>>20933893
If you're a fan of the series the game is collaborating with, you'll jump at the chance of having characters from a series you really like on your team or homescreen. Can even motivate people to start a game for a collab event or get people to whale hard on them if done properly so they're pretty nice.

>>20933893
Attract fresh blood or make incentive for fans of the series who happen to play your game to pay in.
All the danmachi collabs recently have been troublesome for me at least.

>>20933913
>All the danmachi collabs recently have been troublesome for me at least
The only game I know that did a danmachi collab recently is this one

>>20933923
Benus Bacation did one near the start of February.
In both games I got baited by a gacha prior to the collab, but that's a failing of my own willpower.

>premium 2 in aigis rotates
>can only spare one roll because i need to save up for the popularity contest prize gachas
>hit maple in one shot
y'all need to stop being lucklets

>>20933953
I don't want Maple.

>>20933813
>And its not "storing your resources". Its wanting a return for spending astronomical amounts of resources and getting nothing in return only for the game to spit on you.
My issue is entirely about storing resources, I'm 100% behind any pity option that doesn't limit where and when you can roll. Shiropro's thing where you can roll 300 times to spark, and it transfers over so that you can pick any 6*+ that's currently in the line-up? Absolutely fine, if a bit on the slow side. Aigis' pity counter? Great. Getting rainbows with medals/crystals? No issue.

This argument is weaker for FKG since the game is generous enough that you can probably get a guarantee every month (I suppose the real reason they aren't repeating the Cowslip deal too often is they aren't too fond of bankruptcy). But GBF's spark, which was the original point and which forces you to an optimal schedule of 'shuffle your feet for months if you want a guarantee', is dumb. It is, in fact, so dumb that many people ignore it even though it's strictly beneficial.

Anyway, if you were one of the participants in the previous exchange, I'm not sure if I'll be convinced about any argument by your side, nor you by mine, so let's stop and post cute girls. New things to talk about: Whether Luffah will have a bath scene, whether the Dendrobium past event will feature loli skins for Cymbi and Onci.

>>20933783
>Eh, we've talked about this before. It's a sweet deal, but I'd rather have rainbows remain exclusive than the "you can never use flower stones on anything except to gather 250 and buy a rainbow, because that method is so sweet that it's unthinkable to waste stones on others" road.
Here's the thing: If they applied it to every banner, you'd only have to worry about spending when a unit you want comes up instead of literally every time. And that's no different than it is without this deal, except that you're not guaranteed to get anything out of it. The problem is that they won't just go in with making it permanent, not that the deal itself is bad or harmful or whatever other mental gymnastics you have to pull to somehow think it's a bad thing.

>>20934015
>This argument is weaker for FKG since the game is generous enough
Yeah this collab is clearly the most generous thing I've ever seen in a game. Praise FKG and its generous developers always looking out and listening to its players. Wait what do you mean that over 80% of the players voted for no all-ages only collabs? Fuck those NEET losers, their only role is to give us money anyway.

>>20934015
Its not "Shuffle your feet for months". If you saved the 300 rolls for the character you wanted to spark then you can roll everything that goes over a spark and GBF routinelly gives out a fuckton of free rolls so you never feel like you're shuffling your feet waiting for an opportunity to roll.
Most people also decide to consider sparking when they got a large amount of the roster and nearly everyone they want so if any permanent character they wanted comes out then they can just ticket it later for $28 (Almost half than what this generous game asks for their tickets btw) and just spark a limited they really want which is usually in a Legend/Flash fest. Most people that arent complete and total lucklets will get a load of SSRs with their spark too and in the case where you get really lucky and land your characer before the spark then you can save the remaining rolls or keep going if there was another character you wanted in the current gacha so you end up with a two for one.

So exactly where is the downside or the bad thing in that system?

>>20934015
>New things to talk about: Whether Luffah will have a bath scene, whether the Dendrobium past event will feature loli skins for Cymbi and Onci.

The only thing I care about is if the Japanese jews running this cashgrab will come out and admit they fucked up hardcore or if the game is going to continue heading the path of greediness where they're only interested in my money and nothing else. I can't get happy or excited about upcoming content when this shit is what they're shoving in my face and expect to be okay with.

>>20934022
Oooh, if it isn't our resident shitposter. I knew calling FKG devs generous would set him off, because well, exhibit A:

>Good thing they're the best and most generous developers that always listen to their playerbase right? Who even cares that 90% of the playerbase didn't want content locked to the all ages version anyway?
>God I can't believe the FKG developers are this generous. LIke, how do other games even compare to their wonderful 0.5% rates, decisions that fuck over their entire playerbase and currency gain that is directly tied to how generous they're feeling because its impossible to farm rolls in game?
>going to laugh eternally about how the memes with them thinking the first iteration of the guarantee was too generous for a game like this were true.
>The entire collab is the biggest, fattest fuck you I have ever seen to the players and I don't want to hear how these guys are a generous company that listens to their players ever again.
>The entire collab is a lazy and extremely cheap cashgrab by everyone's favorite most generous developers though.

By the way, his next line is 'you're paranoid, these are clearly different people who independently became fixated on the word 'generous' after the one time FKG devs were called that'.

Doesn't change that he's right, though. They really dropped the ball on the collab, hope they can pick it back up because even the JP backlash is heavy.

>>20934072
>Oooh, if it isn't our resident shitposter
Considering pretty much everyone agreed this collab sucks more dick than you on a daily basis, I'd say the only one shitposting here is you. Did you bother to scroll up and notice there isn't a single person who's happy about it?

>>20934072
You're not paranoid, you're retarded. They're completely different things and I thought we settled on this after all the GUARANTEE BAD ME GACHA NOW rants.

>>20934015
>I suppose the real reason they aren't repeating the Cowslip deal too often is they aren't too fond of bankruptcy
what

>>20934125
Game is doing so badly that running guarantees too often would cause them to terminate service apparently

>>20934131
oh wow it's ranked 3rd on the r18 page and 15th on the all ages page that's plagued with cygames titles
that might as well be life support

Sarcastically using "Generous" to refer to a company with hilariously bad gacha rates, zero pity mechanics and where your currency game is directly tied to how many stones they feel like giving out because you can't even farm a single 10-roll in a two week event isn't shitposting though. It might hurt your delicate heart but the definition of shitposting isn't "this post hurt my feelings".

>>20934177
>you can't even farm a single 10-roll in a two week event
I legit don't know any games that do this. Most of them will give you some tickets and a few of whatever currency you use, sure, but I can't think of a single one that gives you a full 10/11 roll. I mean I guess they're out there, but I don't play any of them.

>>20934248
Sounds like you need to play better games anon, there's a ton of games that allow you to farm currency. FKG can be pretty generous when they want to be generous and not make everyone scream bloody murder but its frustrating that your income is directly tied to the goodwilll of the developers hearts while in other games you can estimate how long it'll take you to get X amount of rolls and have stuff avaliable to you to farm rolls.

>>20934262
Every game allows you to farm currency, within reason. Daily/weekly quests, event rewards, login bonuses, usually some kind of main/story quest you can do with a per-map reward, sure. But I don't know any that will still give you a 10/11 roll from a two-week event after you've expended everything else. And if you know some, start listing.

>>20934248
It's already 2019 anon, the fact that you stuck living in the past while trying to pick fight with other people just paint yourself as a gigantic target for mocking and ridiculing. In all honestly, in term of generosity, FKG devs is just on par your average mobage devs nowadays, while they still keep their "one of the worst" gacha rate out there.

>>20934320
I'm not whoever you're talking to, I just caught that point at the end of the thread. Go pick a fight with someone else.

>>20934314
Granblue considering its possible to spark twice a year if you play it smart.

Princess connect gives you around 7500~10000 stones a month before seasonal campaigns or rewards. A 10-roll is 1500 so you'd be getting around 5 to 7 10-rolls depending if you go hard at the player versus player aspects of the game like Clan battle or the arenas.

Shironeko project has gotten a lot less generous over the years but its still generous enough that rolling 5~10 times on a banner is perfectly normal and not as soul crushing as it is in FKG.

And then there's a bunch of other mobile games of varying quality like King's raid, Epic7, Tagatame, etc etc. Its even possible to do a 10-roll every month on games that are considered stingy so its really nothing out of the ordinary.

>>20934332
Well sure anon, I think whoever I was trying to reply to could understand what I meant.

I was thinking of which other games don't allow you to score enough currency for 1 10 roll within a 2 week period and I only remembered Record Keeper.
And for that I'm thankful that, even as bad as DMM kusoge are, they don't literally force you to roll for your character in pieces.
Equipment gacha is one thing but having said equipment gacha be intrinsically tied to each individual character's unique skillset?

God fuck off

>>20934361
I personally considered games like Alternative girls to be stingy but if you're actually playing the game then you can get like 1-2 tenners in a month without counting free roll campaigns or events. Honkai 3rd is also stingy in the currency department but even there you get a tenner a month if you keep up with the game and stuff.

Its actually harder to name games that don't allow you to get at least a 10-roll through regularly scheduled events and shit than to name games that allow you to farm a 10-roll or more.

>>20934378
Aigis

I'm trying to figure out what games you guys even play where you can't think of any. Aigis gives you less than two single rolls from two-week events and FKG gives you 2000/5000 for an 11-roll from a two-week event, plus login for both. And those are the two most talked about games in this thread by a longshot. I also know we have a lot of people here who play FGO and they don't give you 30 quartz for a two-week event either. I don't know what Kamihime gives you these days, I quit playing it ages ago.

>>20934409
It's just the problem of this thread.
People still talk about some other games like Kanpani, Tokyo Necro, Kamihime, Unitia or whatever new games that just got released and tanked immediately. But those don't generate enough replies to sustain a long. drawn out discussion.
You didn't notice how dead the thread was until the FKG shitstorm happened?

>>20934409
Shiropro you can make a case for if you count the 25 discount, Otogi is as Otogi does, technically Kanpani but good luck getting anything out of envelope hell. But these people are talking about mobages, which apparently are more generous with currency (although there's often a catch, like PvP or grind events or the "every new character belongs to the highest rarity so good luck collecting them" syndrome). Consider Azur Lane and its cubes for example, they don't really need to rarity lock because their business model is around skins.

>>20934262
>>20934340
Eh, I don't think I can pick up another game. Two is enough.

Though maybe I could drop Aigis and get into FGO. My creed aligns with Gudako's, and they almost have an adequate amount of glasses girls (which is to say they put them on every serious-looking onee-san, while they should've put them on every girl instead).

>>20934458
Kanpani seems to do pretty good now with the envelope count you can farm during events but I haven't played it at all in a couple months so I don't actually know if they nerfed that at all. I got around 25-30 5* stars during the swimsuit event.
I'm not actually sure what people mean when they say Granblue is generous though, that's about as laughable as the dumbfucks who are baited into playing FGO and think it's some crazy galaxy brained esports game.

>>20934473
In terms of rolling, getting characters and all that it is pretty generous. Definitely among the most generous considering the roulette event where everyone gets 200 rolls at the very least happens twice a year now.

>>20934473
Kanpani is an interesting case.
They gave out too many free rolls for events that everyone managed to stock a shit ton of silver feathers, which they can exchange for black envelopes or 5* envelopes.
Then the devs went full retarded and released nothing but seasonal and collab characters for over half a year. The worst thing about them is that they have lower rate than the normal 5*, and they aren't counted as normal characters so that mountain of silver feathers people managed to accumulate is fucking useless.

Most of the games where you can 10-roll regularly, they have other bloated shit to dilute the pool. Equipment, craft essences, whatever you want to call them.

And FGO is special in that it’s stingy with its rates, premium currency, pity system, AND not only does it have craft essences, it has a shitton of limited servants that only show up once or twice a year. That’s pretty much the exception though, and no one in their right mind will ever call FGO generous, except for its welfare servants.

>>20934508
>it has a shitton of limited servants that only show up once or twice a year
Without actually doing the research for real figures, I'm pretty sure like half of the 5* pool is limited, if not significantly more, and a lot of limiteds only come around once every like two years. Fuck FGO I say with my phone in front of me playing CCC rerun.

>>20934508
Demon's Kitchen could have been the next FGO but they made the mistake of not having a rabidly stupid fanbase already built up.

>>20934508
FGO also happens to have interesting story that can keep riding on the franchise without tarnishing it like so much garbage mobage can do.

The low rates and barrier of entry as it's easy overall helps the game a lot. It is fucking magical to roll a 5* over there. Imagine my joy when I rolled the same 5* twice in a single 10 roll on top of the 4* I also wanted. Twice.

No other gachage has gotten me this high.

Aigis? I haven't seen a banner without at least one black I own in ages, yet I'm almost pure F2P.
Jewel Princess? There's no joy in getting any girls there. Stupid ass dupes required despite the low rates.

>>20934898
You can only describe so much of just how fucking stupid FGO players are, but nothing surpasses the testimony of somebody who actually plays it.

>>20934915
Its not stupid, its for fate fans. If you're invested in the series and can read the story then its going to be your favorite by far. If you were never into fate or hate fate then you're probably not going to like it or have no opinion about it.

>>20934898
>low rates and barrier of entry as it's easy overall helps the game a lot
You have a gambling problem.

>>20934898
>No other gachage has gotten me this high.
I think you just have some problems, anon.

>>20934938
>>20934931
I haven't spent a dime. I'm fine.

>>20934409
>I don't know what Kamihime gives you these days, I quit playing it ages ago.
Events are weekly, raids give 3500 jewels plus 22 tickets, advents are 3200 plus 3 tickets and ranking events vary but you can expect a mininum payoff of 500.
In the sane period you can get 700 jewels from dailies plus 2 SR+ tickets, 800 from guild order and 240 from log ins.

Except it doesn't matter much because the gacha linked to current event characters tends to last like 3 weeks so you do get a little more time to gather some rolls

Just did the milestone thing in FKG and I got the featured unit in the ticket so I guess it has a rate up.

>Going to have to download the google play version of FKG if I want to do the mangled fkg collab

I hope to wake up tomorrow to the developers being crucified by the Japanese over this garbage

>>20935261
You could load it up from all-ages side of DMM instead?

Any recommendations on who to raise? I'm considering Melvina, Victoria and Marnie for now but maybe I just don't see some epic synergies/must have units in there

>>20935293
Junon Sephire Clarice Shelt Spica Konoha

>>20935226
It it boosted, but I was not as lucky. I wish it was a least someone cute.

>>20935226
>>20935306
Any specifics or is it really just a random Rainbow out of the entire pool? While it sounds nice and all, it doesn't feel like it's worth rolling my entire stone stash for a random ticket in a banner that I'm not interested in.

>>20935304
Do you think Spica is better than Victoria or should I raise both? Also Konoha seems like a meh unit that would just end up taking a spot in a team capable of afking already

>>20935319
Not really. I just checked the rate tab and saw that it said she was boosted and rolled my ticket.

>>20935319
60% for fennel

>>20935332
Also it's only a 1 time thing. From what I remember from the Cowslip gacha you could keep doing it and every 55 rolls gave you a Cowslip
This is something I could see them keeping (semi)permanently, but who knows.

>>20935326
Might as well go both.
Spica is faster on skill and boost other archers.

>>20935293
At that point, you may as well be raising everyone to unlock 3rd scenes for the 3 SC. You have 45 awakening fairies lying around right?

>>20934898
Thank god, I never like fateshit

Anyone got any pics of the placeholder girls yet? All I can find on Twitter are regular girls and collab chars.

>>20935339
That would make me worried if I rolled one Fennel beforehand.

The gravy train of easy SCs is over for me on Aigis after all these revivals.
What a stupid design that the longer you play, the harder it is to roll.

>>20935428
Here's Shion's replacement. Didn't get the others but somehow I'm not thinking they're much different.

>>20935536
There's still the quickest SC source: your wallet.

>>20935544
At least she has face unlike the faceless in Aigis

>>20935544
>>20935556

The FKG devs really don't give a shit about the collab. It's not even listed on their twitter, just the usual of "Nidhogg Rewards" and Event Banner. Unless you checked the all-ages DMM side, you wouldn't even know that a collab was running.

>>20935556
Who is this even supposed to be?

>>20935657
Spoke too soon, here's a retweet campaign for 30oo stones and 30 tickets. Probably will be done by the end of the day with how small the goal is. Still no character intro though.
https://twitter.com/flower_staff/status/1102530021736869888

>>20935705
Treyni.

>>20935581
>>20935556
>>20935544
Thanks. Guess it's nice that the replacements are quite meh so I don't have to bother with the collab at all.


>>20933883
>All games can handle collabs differently like deciding if there will be a limited gacha or no gacha
(quoting this one as representative for similar posts further down)

I think you're vastly overestimating how much influence the game company has, especially when it's a situation like this where the collab IP is worth more than the whole game company and the publisher is Kodansha.

Considering how lackluster and limited the whole implementation of this collab is (compared to the previous one), I would assume that it's something that DMM/Kodansha enforced.

>>20935447
Alright, I'm worried now.

>give zero shits about generic isekai collab
>fkg general is as lively as ever
>get fennel on the first 10-roll
>get her again on the guaranteed rainbow for that equipment slot and 50 pity rainbow medals
>have 10k hanastones to spare for her 2 remaining equipment slots
today was a good day

I wonder if the replacement units will be in the character voting next year. Probably not, but at this point I'd love for them to be and for Japan to vote all of them into the top 4 slots after all of this.

Why did the FKG devs drop endless amounts of free stuff into my box? I had over 200 items saying something about a quest but I couldn't into moon enough to know specifically what they were for.

Roughly 120k stones across both files finally net me a Fennel in File B.
I'd almost lost my hope when rateup failed on File A (Got Kuroyuri instead), and both the rainbow tickets.
All's well that ends well I guess.

>>20937463
If I got it right, there was some bug with claiming rewards from the Main Quests that resulted in them being lost or something. So to compensate, they give everyone all the rewards from the quests that were bugged. Hence the mountain of stuff which includes another Rainbow Alstroemeria and her Ability + Equipment flowers.

Welp. Rolled one rainbow on the way to the Fennel ticket and it was off-rate (Snow Drop) and then the ticket didn't give her to me either (got Horse Chestnut). Fuck everything. But mostly fuck the devs for this awful change.

>>20935825
I dont think its enforced, people aren't that shitty. Even under the assumption DMM forced them to have a collab, I bet there was nothing saying "You must turn your top game that your players like into yet another shitty DMM cashgrab that spits on its players".

The entirety of how fucking bad this situation ended up is completely their fault and there's no blaming other people because they're fully responsible for this. If the collab was forced on them then they could have at least tried to make it work and get people excited for it and if it wasn't then even more reason to try to make it work but instead we get the worst implementation of a collab anyone has seen on a (somewhat successful) mobile game and its just sad.

>>20937415
I hope the game doesn't last til next year

>>20937819
>instead we get the worst implementation of a collab anyone has seen
I don't think there's much difference between it and the other all-ages only collab done on DMM like Aigis' 7 Sins or Arslan.

>>20937885
Those collabs weren't completely set up to fail though. The developers for FKG went the extra mile to isolate the collab from the game, make it an all ages only collab when they asked the players and the players said they didn't want any all ages exclusive content, make the units only avaliable from gacha and basically nearly delete any trace the collab ever ran after its over. You even have the onsen event and gacha running alongside it with a rare guaranteed rainbow so these people are just actual scumbags.

>>20937901
I highly doubt the devs of any game have creative control over anything related to another companies IP that they're collabing with, but take that from somebody who doesn't have a stake in this like you autistic manchildren chimping out every time your game does something.

I dont understand, why FKG still force players to press "move" button a billion times. You can only set up starter locations, you cant do anything in battles or mission after you started it. So why should i click so many times to progress.

>>20937956
>Ignores the entire post
>Shut up you autistic manchildren
If you don't have a stake on this then why are you replying then? The problem isn't the IP they're collaborating with, its what they're doing with it if you haven't bothered to read any of the posts in this thread. They took an IP people might have wanted to roll on or get and turned it into the sort of shitty collab you see in those super dead games with nearly negative rates to roll the units and non-existent currency gain so you're forced to whale out to get them. The problem is made even worse considering all the other steps they took to ensure there's zero excitement or hype about it and people either just ignore it or hate them for doing that to an IP they're fans of.

Hey everyone

Could we not be constantly passive aggressive all the time? Most of us just want to share our experiences in gambling for cute girls.

>>20938077
>Could we not be constantly passive aggressive
well I could be fully aggressive if you want and ask why browser trash like flower knight girl even dare to call themselves games when its an insult to actual games

So Arslan, 7 sins and Slime are all published by Kodansha huh?

>>20938077
No.
I'm mad about gacha and you're gonna listen to me being mad, because the gacha cannot

>>20938448
I'm less mad at the gacha and more mad at the developers for being the scum of the planet myself

So wait, is this all gacha, or is there any decent (not expecting good) R18 clones of shmups and such like I sometimes grab on dl-site?

You know, like old Flash games tier.

>>20938496
Chaosrise is a bullethell dlsite game you can find on f95.

RIP all the flower knights who lost their lives in today's tragedy.
Poor Streptocarpus, her life was cut short all of a sudden between two chapters, her ambitions unfulfilled.

>>20938496
Everything's gacha here, the one game that tried to be gacha-free died shortly after release. Most games tend to be auto-battler RPGs, although there also are less popular games of other genres. Just check out some of the games for yourself and see if you like them.

>>20938591
Thanks for the reply, but I can only make payments over CC or back transfer one every week or so to any one provider without a 30min-1hr call (really weird 3rd world banking situation), so gacha games are a no-go.

At least with dl-site I could get my purchases approved in one go.

>>20938639
Technically you can enjoy these games without paying a cent, but that mainly depends on how that game is handled.
If you're looking for normal games though, DMM has an online store just like dlsite.

Ticket result - today is a good day, I actually completed the pink hair otomo trio. 3rd loli in a row too (Usagigoke -> HW Daisy -> Kurkuma), I hope this streak continues.

>No statement from the developers
>No stones to roll with
>They actually expect to move forward with this garbage

Guess its time to just quit FKG if this is the path they're going to take. Game could be okay but I guess the greed got to them.

>>20939042
>Send out a letter thanking players for sticking with them for one more year
>Proceed to fuck over everyone
I swear DMM games is the only place where the developers treat their players like trash and they actually enjoy it

>>20938077
>Could we not be constantly passive aggressive all the time?
What is this, the Nutaku Discord?

>>20939092
Just let me gamble all my money in dying games without all the passive agressiveness please

>expecting greedy ass devs to come forward and admit they fucked up
lmaoo

>>20937901
The theory I'm working on for all this is that DMM forced the collab on them and, knowing the players didn't want an all-ages only event in the first place, just did the absolute minimum and focused on their own thing so all the people that don't care won't feel left out. It's still an extremely shitty implementation and will only make things worse for them as evidenced by this thread, but is the only reasoning I can come up with that doesn't sound completely retarded.
Of course it's entirely possible whoever thought it up was just completely retarded but I want to believe.

Why did I just get an Astromeria clearing out my mailbox

>>20937819
>I bet there was nothing saying "You must turn your top game that your players like into yet another shitty DMM cashgrab that spits on its players".

IP owners usually get to decide how their IP is used. As in, timeframe, reusability and all the other things you chalk up to "FKG devs are actually satan and need to be crucified".

Those Kadokawa collabs about half a year ago were pretty much the same, at least in the games I played (Otogi and Senpri). They were all-ages only, overlapping with other events and aren't coming back in the future. You also couldn't use tickets to roll for the collab girls.

>The entirety of how fucking bad this situation ended up is completely their fault and there's no blaming other people because they're fully responsible for this
And you know this because your daddy works for DMM?

>>20939202
Err, Alstromeria. Mistype.

>>20939202
>>20939226
see
>>20937740

1. Sheng-Pu - 13.05%
2. Rinne - 8.60%
3. Shu-Xian - 5.71%
4. Sybilla - 4.82%
5. Lapis - 4.31%
6. Kyuubi - 4.05%
7. Risley - 3.97%
8. Silvia - 3.91%
9. Moltena - 3.89%
10. Altair - 3.87%

Suprised that Kyuubi made it that high and Sybilla is still popular for some reason.

>>20939232
Neat, thanks. I missed that completely.
Gonna take a guess that they never fixed her stats and she's still very cute garbage.

>>20939235
How will the pop gacha look? will they separate them into groups

>>20939238
Correct.

>>20939235
Sybilla has always been popular.

>>20939256
Top 3 will end up in the same gacha.
Dunno how they will split up the rest.

>>20939200
Yeah, they've been so accommodating on literally every other issue that collab specifics being forced on them is entirely plausible. This is possibly just them playing the hand they've been dealt, even the guarantee may have been intended as a 'we know the collab is shit but please bear with it' measure as much as it is a 'hi Slime fans here's a van full of rainbows wanna come in' tactic.

>>20939218
Aigis and Shiropro had similar collabs with big IPs too, the latter holding several in rapid succession (Madoka/Konosuba/S;G/Geass).

It's shitty, but FKG's track record is impressive enough that I'm willing to let it slide, unless they go into a collab spree. Agreed on that pretending it's the end of the world is patently retarded.

>>20939200
I'd be less sold on this interpretation if they didn't choose now of all times to implement another rainbow guarantee.

>>20939436
>Impressive enough
Maybe for shitty DMM games where your competition is like 10 other browser games at most (and some of them are a lot more generous than FKG too) but when it comes to the mobile market they tried to breach, their record is laughably bad.

>>20939218
What sort of retardation is this? The IP owners have control over their IP and nothing else. The company that wants to collaborate with them pays and the IP owner tells them what they're allowed to do with the rights they purchased and nothing else because the IP owner has no power over the game itself.

And we already established there's nothing wrong with the IP itself, its how they're handling it. An all games collab that can't even be seen in the R18 version where nearly all the players are, units that can only be obtained in their gacha and no other way, confirmation that the collaboration will not be coming back and that the collab units won't be revisited again for bloom art, extra voices or anything.

You can't even see the event in the journal even if you played it because they just want to milk fans of the franchise for money and then bury the fact the collab ever ran. And like it was mentioned above, they chose now of all times to run the rare gacha with a guaranteed rainbow for 25k to sabotage the collab gacha and make players choose between rolling the collab gacha or the guarantee. All of the above is completely and 100% the fault of the shitty people running this game and not of the 'evil parent company forcing this on them' or the IP owner somehow deciding that their property would be shit on like this so trying to pin the blame on someone else instead of accepting the people running the game went full fucking retard with this collab event is absolutely stupid and completely delusional.

>>20939762
>The company that wants to collaborate with them pays and the IP owner tells them what they're allowed to do with the rights they purchased
>[...]
>And we already established there's nothing wrong with the IP itself, its how they're handling it. An all games collab that can't even be seen in the R18 version where nearly all the players are, units that can only be obtained in their gacha and no other way, confirmation that the collaboration will not be coming back and that the collab units won't be revisited again for bloom art, extra voices or anything. [...]

Paraphrasing your post:
>"The IP owner gets to decide what the game company is allowed to do, but it's totally the fault of the game company if they follow those rules.
Good job contradicting yourself in your own post, saves me some work.

So, are the collab girls any good gameplay wise?

>>20939860
>FKG
>Gameplay

Now this is the biggest joke in the thread

>>20939848
>Japanese jews puts together all the pennies they earned from idiots to collaborate with a popular all ages series even when their players decided they really didn't want content to be gated between versions
>IP owner and company settle on what they want to do and they decide they really don't want their characters on a R18 game so it becomes an all ages only collab

Are you still following me here? This is as far as the IP owner can influence. They don't have a say on what happens afterwards.
Just for your information, every other game on this little earth allows you to revisit the collab units on the index or journal provided you played the event while it ran. They're usually added under an extra section if the game tracks collection percentages to not mess with your percentage if you miss the collab too.

>Company decides to half-ass the designs of the characters
>Locks them between gacha only and outright states they will never be revisited or updated after the collaboration ends
>Runs their gacha alongside a guaranteed gacha that most players will want to roll which sabotages their own collaboration gacha

Are you able to see it now or do you need to take off those fanboy googles squeezing that yuri obsessed brain of yours? The IP holder has no involvement or hand in these, all the shitty decisions are the fault of the game developers. And even then you could argue its fully the developers fault for choosing to collaborate with an all ages IP in the first place so there's nobody to blame other than themselves.

>>20939922
>>20939762
why are you still trying to argue or reason with the actual autist that firmly believes guarantees are bad and lead to bankruptcy?

>>20939860
Shizu gets dodge so she's good if you RG her, Treyni has attack reduction and not much else, Shion tries to be single-target Dendrobium but falls far short of the mark (get Alstroemeria instead), Milim's narrow focus on offense is nice but her weird enrage mechanic doesn't stand out.

Not much good about them, not much bad about them. They're solidly middling.

>>20939235
Personal list: Altair > Sybilla > Risley > Silvia > Moltena > Lapis > Shengpu = Rinne > Kyuubi > Shuxian

Fantasy archetypes are there for a reason, we need more female knights and princesses. Preferably by LOLICEPT.

Is this thread mostly just a shit fest because mbgg moved to /jp. It used to be a pretty chill thread, but now it's basically just whinners(mostly about fkg) and the fkg shill basically both just shit posting.

>>20939974
it'd probably be fine if the local fkgfan wasn't constantly kicking the beehive and starting shitstorms for fun

>>20939860
Shizu gets dodge so she's good if you RG her, Treyni has attack reduction and not much else, Shion tries to be single-target Dendrobium but falls far short of the mark (get Alstroemeria instead), Milim's narrow focus on offense is nice but her weird enrage mechanic doesn't stand out.

Not much good about them, not much bad about them. They're solidly middling.

>>20939235
Personal list: Altair > Sybilla > Risley > Silvia > Moltena > Lapis > Shengpu = Rinne > Kyuubi > Shuxian

Fantasy archetypes are there for a reason, we need more female knights and princesses. Preferably by LOLICEPT.

>>20939974
Probably. FKG shill here, and I've been in these threads since before they were a thing. Nutaku didn't exist back then, and we had DMM threads that were pretty civil, and then we had Nutaku threads that were mostly civil despite that ship sinking in fast motion. Forward to present, we have some retard or another whining incessantly in every thread, and I reply to them because I'm an idiot, and so brews a shitstorm.

Something has changed, and I'd like to think it ain't me. See this moron at >>20939984 for example, he's one of these people who will bitch endlessly about every little thing, start up shit when I reply to every sixth retarded post, and then try to lay the blame on me.

Anyway, my advice to them is /jp/'s official motto.

>>20939974
This particular thread is a shitfest because FGK managed to piss most of its players off (Japanese side is largely upset, too). If you mean in general, then I don't know, it's usually fine.

>>20939984
That guy does seem like a piece of work, but the other people are retarded for being so easily baited.
Anyway if the dev team was as evil as people here are making them out to be you normally would just stop playing their shitty mobage instead of crying about it forever. See basically every other dmm game that isn't really discussed anymore.

>>20940020
No one's going to quit a game over a single bad instance. Implying people should quit because one two-week period is shaping up to be really shitty is as bad as claiming the game is ending because of it.

Are character specific accessories evolvable only once? They don't seem to gain much in the way of stats, and only give a whooping 2% boost, that's like 150 attack and 60 def on a rainbow, doesn't seem that worthwhile.

>>20940032
Once, and they're pretty much in the 'do this if you're bored and have no other way to improve your superoptimized team' category.

They're alright once you have it on everyone in a whaleship, but otherwise you'll barely notice.

Why would a bad all ages collab kill a game?
I feel like it could be largely ignored considering the R18 version has a proper event going on.

>>20940008
>and then try to lay the blame on me.
The blame is fully on you though. You try to sound like you're really smart and the god of the thread but in reality you sound like you're constantly choking on crayons and the root of all arguments and problems.

>>20940059
The only reason it could kill it is if this string of decisions that most of the player base disapproves of continues and the game starts bleeding players. But just the one bad collab won't really do much.

>>20940020
People are just venting their frustrations most likely but then the FKG fan just comes out like the retard that feels the need to tell everyone that they're entitled shits that should feel happy that the developers are even letting them play their game in the comments for game blogs. It makes the entire thing worse how the little shit always takes the better than you approach and pretends to be the savior of the thread while everyone that disagrees with him is just a single shitposter that wasn't here before.

>>20940008
Have you considered getting a trip? You've already made yourself into the most infamous shitposter in the place so giving people a way to filter your posts and everyone that replies to your garbage would be wonderful.

>>20940027
Fuck off I do what I want.
If I want to drop the game I will. That's it.
You don't really need major reasons to drop gambling simulators anyways.

Even more so when you can play other gambling simulators instead. 300 IQ logic.

>>20940027
I wouldnt really quit but i'm sure going to ignore it or toss it in the backburner and login the next time they do something worthy of attention. Not like it'd matter anyway, game has basically zero gameplay and fucks you over whenever you're going for any specific girl so it'll be like I was playing all the time without the frustration of actually trying to play it.

>>20940297
All of those other gambling simulators are way better too, the only thing this one has going for itself is cute art and nothing else.

>>20940317
That's just pure subjectivity.
Everything has cute girls nowadays, the actual selling point us whether you find the lol lore or characterization appealing, the music appealing enough to listen while on commute or off time, the "gameplay" a chore to keep up with the rest of the aspects of the game and of course how frustrating the many layers of gacha can be.
I just don't like FKG that much to keep up with it, even with it mostly being a low effort game, unless I feel like completing event looting (which you have to do at least partially for an extra d medal and gacha ticket), or the autism grinding for assortment of currency medals that takes much longer than it should because you keep having to tap that button on the bottom right.

So is there a point to starting Kamihime now or did I miss the bus?

>>20940456
Which one?
If on DMM, it's piss easy to start, you get fodder by the hundreds every day, the weapon skill level update makes leveling them trivial, epic quests may take a while to grind out but they'll give you a significant boost with easy ssr weapons and summons, plus SR himes, you also get 4 copies or an SSR weapon that can go in all grids and 2 SRs himes of your choice from the panel missions.
Plus, a lot of quests cost half or no AP for new players and the 3rd anniversary is in 3 weeks.
Pretty good time to start honestly.

>>20940456
How do you miss the bus on such a game? Aside from missing out on previous limited girls or it closes?
The girl they've been using for their icon has me interested but I don't want to start another game.

>>20940368
I still stand by the argument that there's way better gambling simulators out there that are actually generous and not meme generous. Game has really cute girls but the rest of the game is pure garbage and this shitshow of a collab feels like a slap on the face but maybe its my fault for expecting anything from the idiots running this game.

>>20940497
>The girl they've been using for their icon has me interested but I don't want to start another game.
me every time I go update aigis on the dmm store

>>20940497
There have been a couple generous giveaways of inventory slots and I believe 2? SR miracle tickets plus the rare fests with a dozen to 80ish free rolls.

Though I guess collab characters are outside the realm of possibility, only the first Koihime collab got a rerun and that was almost 2 years ago

>>20940493
I'm fine with starting on either version, no qualms either way since I play most things on DMM.
I'd lean towards EN here since I heard it's mostly okay and I'm still not exactly great at Japanese and get tired out from reading it at points, but you make a good argument for DMM.

Biggest thing that would keep me from DMM is that I'm trying to keep only one account there, and I take it Kami requires heavy rerolling since there's 100%+ summons and the event ones look like 60%s at best, a la Granblue?

>>20940514
>Kami requires heavy rerolling since there's 100%+ summons and the event ones look like 60%s at best, a la Granblue?
Sort of, event summons tend to cap at 45 to 50%, but unlike in granblue they tend to have good stats so having them as fillers rarely hurts.
I personally have no 100% summon and can do 90% of content just fine on autobattle. High level shit does require actual input from me but it tends not to be anything I can't manage.

For f2p players, the eidolon orb shop has 1 copy of each of the equivalent of the SSR buncles (which have absurd stats by the way), you can realistically save for the dama bar and sunstone equivalents every 2 tower/guild bot event, and starting from rank 70 you have access to raids that drop mats to trade for pseudo primals which work pretty well with a support 100% summon (and they also drop some really retarded weapons, while their precent raids drop cosmic weapons but on steroids)

It is best if you can get high rank active players on your friendlist to leechhost with ease, though.

>>20940556
Interesting, thanks anon. Having SSR buncles be heavy statsticks is nice. Surprised to see that primals exist in the game now, I'd heard for a long time it was just elemental summons.

So basically, if I wanted to just start up and go, DMM is the easy choice, and if I wanted to autistically reroll for a 100%+ summon and maybe an SSR hime to go with it, EN might be how it shakes out since it's a lot easier to make Nutaku accounts and I can recycle them faster.
Guess that means I should ask about the quality of the English version before doing anything, since I know how fucking badly games over there get ruined. Kami is the single one I heard is alright.

>>20940599
Making DMM accounts is pretty easy too, just use salted emails.

>>20940612
Oh right, I forgot all about that, actually. Good point.
Guess I'll just wait to hear if the English version is fucked up or not since I think it might be easier to reroll an account there - I remember seeing ages ago in a thread that they get 6k jewels for some reason, which meant 2 multis.

>have to use a VPN to play this shitshow of a collab in FKG
>No stones to roll even though the game is supposed to be so super generous

Yeah no miss me with that gay shit

>>20940074
>>20940205
>maybe if i repeat the same thing for the 500th time it will become true
1. I've been in this thread since about when FKG started.
2. These shitstorms only began about a year ago.

Please reconcile these two sentences. Do I have some kind of latent autism that only awakens after a 'waaaah why are they sitting on their art even though that's literally every single mobage does' shitstorm? Or the 'waaaaaah these evil fkg devs added zeroes to their flower stone counts to give people less gems' shitstorm? Or the 'waaaaah why is the game that just gave me like 200 free rolls not also giving me free rainbows every other event' shitstorms, experienced twice thanks to the rainbow ticket and the Cowslip deal? Or maybe I'm fed up with the fact that a bunch of morons have made it their life goal to cry their eyes out in every single thread, and don't especially care that replying to them creates more shitposting?

Anyway, last post on this matter. Say your thing and see you on the next shitstorm.

>>20940739
you're the one creating all the shitposting you autistic fuck

>>20940514
>trying to keep only one account there
That's what I've done. Aigis was honestly the only game where I should've rerolled but I'm patient and haven't really started many games through DMM.

I wonder when the entire industry is just going to make starting their games less painful about starting with who you want. But as soon as that happens, players target the next RNG gamble for rerolling.

>>20940739
>Do I have some kind of latent autism
Its not really latent when yours is so advanced that I bet the government mandates to always have a nurse with you at all times.

>>20940643
>I remember seeing ages ago in a thread that they get 6k jewels for some reason, which meant 2 multis.
the one advantage they have is being able to skip the tutorial in one click
saves like 5 minutes normally but a chunk of time if batch rerolling
DMM gets 3k and then another 3k after the Ereshkigal login bonus which I dunno if butaco has

>>20940747
There's no point in telling him because he deluded himself to the point where everyone except him is retarded and everyone that doesn't perfectly allign with his world views is a shitposter but doesn't stop to think that maybe he's the shitposter ruining everything for everyone.

>>20940762
They can skip the entire fucking tutorial? HOLY.
Honestly, if I was going for an autism tier reroll of a 120% + same element SSR hime, that does sound ideal. Though I heard there's also 140% summons, which makes me say to myself "why even bother?"
The 2 SR miracle tickets for free on DMM sound nice too, though. Fuck. I'm just not sure how much is changed/lacking on the Cucktaku version.

>I'm fed up that a bunch of morons made it their life goal to complain about my favorite game
>So I'm going to make it my life goal to engage them every time I see them and derail the thread with autistic shitposting like no one has ever seen before, that'll show those idiots!

>>20940773
>Though I heard there's also 140% summons, which makes me say to myself "why even bother?"
Those are the 120% summons that got buffed to an even higher cap.
I gave the taco version a try but dropped it on the first anniversary where they axed the special login bonus rewards in half, straight up removed the 100 free inventory slots, and took half a year to implement the Walkure Romanze collab.
No idea if they got the Koihime part 2 collab or if they'll get Grisaia or Haruhi.

>>20940773
Honestly just start on the DMM version. It'll save you a lot of headache later so might as well.

>>20940803
>>20940797
Alright, fair enough. Guess I probably won't even bother reading text, then. Rerolling for Cerberus/Leviathan is looking like the way to go for me.

>>20940757
Some games give you pick tickets to start out or allow you to reroll your starting roll infinitely. But because we're greedy creatures that always want more, we'll use that to start with two characters we want instead of one.

What element has the most Kamihime with big tits? Or even the kami with the biggest tits.
>>20940757
Yeah, it's gonna be a pain to remember two DMM accounts. Oh well.
Wonder if I can use a salt of my current email for it, or if I'm better off using a fresh email. Hell, I can barely remember the method for creating/deactivating DMM accounts nowadays since I also rerolled for Aigis years ago.

>>20940869
Cyclops might have the biggest.

I'll be honest here, as an ordinary FKG player with no interest in slimeshit, it's almost hilarious, cathartic even, seeing how hard FKG fucks the slimefags over, as if compensating for the lack of H-scenes. It's like FKG devs personally dunking you for your shit taste.
The sheer audacity with which they're handling this collab, especially when there has been an example of a good collab in the past, makes the "DMM-forced collab" theory all the more convincing.
The only downside I see here is constant whining for the next 2 weeks.

>>20940931
>personally dunking you for your shit taste
Well if your taste is garbage enough to play browser trash with heavy whale to win aspects except there's literally no content to win at then you're already getting dunked

>>20940931
The "DMM-forced" collab is honestly the most retarded shit that has come from this thread. And that's from a thread that has an autist constantly screeching about the dumbest shit you wish you had never seen. The entire thing takes root in desperately trying to believe the people running the game could never fuck over their players like this so you delude yourself into thinking someone else forced it on them and they had no say on the matter.

Like, is it really that hard to believe the developers are humans running a business and not your bros looking out for you?

>>20940931
As an ordinary FKG player with some interest in slimeshit, even I find it hilarious how little care they are putting into it. Best part is how all the characters use the same mob character with different hair and weapon but the sprite is just the default brown hair for all of them. It's almost extra effort to be lazy.

>>20940950
People just need to wake the fuck up. we're playing a 0.5% rates game here where the developers giving you enough stones for two 10-rolls is considered extremely generous so trashy low effort collabs and constant grabs at your wallet like these are extremely par for the course. Nobody is forcing anything on anyone, this is the nature of gacha games.

>>20940950
>Like, is it really that hard to believe the developers are humans running a business and not your bros looking out for you?
I don't really believe the "bros looking out for you" bit but likewise, the "damn jews trying rob your money theory" is just as stupid because it also relies on them not being humans but calculators that only crunch numbers. We have seen shit badly handled, like the Centis when they were first pushed out. The guaranteed doesn't make you spend more, it's more likely to make you spend less because why the fuck would anyone want to roll on the collab stuff of the guaranteed is so much better? Obviously it's to make those who care for the collab to roll on both you might say, but wouldn't it be better to put it right after the collab then? Right after everyone is theoretically spent, roll out the guaranteed to make them pull out their wallets instead?

And if they really want to fuck you over more, all they have to do is make the collab characters look somewhat appealing in the R18 version instead of using mob characters and you have the idiots drooling and rolling for them as well. If they are trying to jew you, they are doing a piss-poor job of it. Not to mention, they aren't the first game to pull this shit either, they have Kamihime and Aigis (and Otogi, I think) to reference so why would they go for the exact type that's unpopular and widely criticised?

>>20940942
What did you say? Can't hear you while I'm riding into the sunset with Fennel by my side.
>>20940950
>developers are humans running a business
Exactly, which is why this theory has gained some footing, even in 2ch threads. I mean yeah YourGames has shown their incompetence time and again, but no one would shoot themselves in the foot this bad with a fucking RPG. Well, it's not like any of this matters, fast-forward to 2 weeks later and everyone would forget about this collab, FKG will stay in the to- I mean stay dead.
>>20940961
Why bother making exclusive art for characters that no one on R18 side would probably use? If anything it actually accentuates the genericness. Also, I see those sprites as a nice little callback to all the generic sprites FKG used to have in the past.

>>20941067
>but no one would shoot themselves in the foot this bad with a fucking RPG.
We already have a company that shot themselves in the foot though, its called YourGames. Do I have to introduce them to you?
Companies and businesses aren't children playing in the park where you can go "He made me do it, its not my fault!". They're the ones that fucked up hardcore and they're the ones responsible for it, no one else.

>>20941053
>I don't really believe the "bros looking out for you" bit but likewise, the "damn jews trying rob your money theory" is just as stupid because it also relies on them not being humans but calculators that only crunch numbers.

That's easy, its because they're neither. They're in the middle where they're just a company that fucked up hard when implementating a collab. They're neither your bros looking out for you and not jews trying to squeeze you out of your money, they're just incompetent fucks that managed to implement the collab in the worst way possible.

They most likely looked at other DMM games and thought that they were better than them and that it would definitely work out. Or didn't do their research and ended up with this steaming pile of shit.

Lots of game companies have done shit like this in the past too where they were loved by their customers/players but then do changes or updates that make their playerbase shake their heads or go in a fit of rage. The company can either apologize and try to appease their players or go the tough shit deal with it route where players either adapt or leave and looks like we're going with the 2nd route here.

>>20941074
Nah it's actually Kodansha at fault here for forcing all-ages titles into R18 games but not actually allowing the R18 side to participate.

>>20941103
Feel free to go outside and shoot someone then tell the jury that someone else made you do it and its not your fault.

>>20941104
Feel free to whine for 2 weeks non-stop about how you've been wronged and the devs didn't hand you the 6* collab girl on a silver platter.

>>20941111
I wouldn't want her anyway, the design is worse than those anime games that use screenshots from the show as the portraits.

>>20941112
Which reminds me; fuck every game that had a konosuba collab and used the anime designs.

>>20941103
>Big publisher forced themselves onto no name browser game for advertising
>Made lazy and uninspired designs that get replaced with even lazier designs on the version everyone plays
>Threatened the game to go forward with it or get shutdown
Conspiracy theorists are always the most deluded retards around. Bet you think the earth is flat too.

>>20941119
>>20941112
Tune in for FKG's next collab, FKG x Mass for the dead! Featuring anime screenshots of Shalltear, Albedo and Evil eye for their normal and evolved art!

An anime screenshot of Millim would have been legit better than this. The others look kind of off too.

>>20941112
Glad we agree about something, although the girls failed to make an impression on me either way, original designs or not.
>>20941123
Still less retarded than the ones who believe FKG devs are out to murder their whole family.

>>20941144
Its not the end of the world but they certainly fucked up hardcore with this collab and its completely on them and no one else. Looking for other people to blame because you don't want to blame the game is beyond delusional and retarded.

This collab is like when game developers censor or change their games to appeal to a wider audience but end up appealing to no one because the people they were trying to hook in would never touch the game with a ten foot pole and their core audience that they had for previous games feels betrayed and tossed to a side.

>>20941152
Yeah YourGames is at fault here too for agreeing to collab with some isekai bullshit.

Can someone give me a tl;dr? What's everyone mad about

>>20941163
All ages collab for FKG.

Wait, so the 140% eidolons need you to have summons of the same element equipped.
Does that mean the 100/120 ones like Belial are still good?

>>20941156
Thankfully the collab is just on the all-ages side, R18 players won't miss anything and carry on like usual.

>>20941174
Yeah they just miss an entire event of stones and several characters but no big deal right?

>>20941163
See
>>20932693

The slime collab is exclusive to all ages only, you only get low effort designs if you roll for them and even lazier placeholders on the R18 version and its running at the same time as a guaranteed banner to sabotage it and make everyone roll the guarantee instead.

You can't use tickets or rainbow points to get the characters (I get tickets but not allowing you to use points to grab the collab while its going on is just mean), you can't revisit the event in the journal after its over and the characters are confirmed to not get any bloom art or anything in the future because they have zero plans to rerun or revisit this collab ever again.

>>20941159
They're certainly at fault for agreeing to collab with an all ages series in the first place when literally nobody wanted it in a porn game yeah. There's a lot of better things they could have chosen and there's a million ways they could have made this entire shitshow better.

>>20941167
If you are rerolling, may as well aim for the 140%
If you are an active player, you just take whatever the gacha throws at you.

>>20941197
Gotcha, thanks. Just rerolling, trying to figure some things out.
No idea how in the hell I'll ever get enough SSR hime for a team.

>>20941138
>Wanted to roll the collab but the designs are just lazy shit like this
>Even if I decided to suck it up and still roll, I'd have to constantly switch between all ages and R18

>>20941176
16(00) stones that can be gotten by getting off your ass, logging into all-ages and clearing all the stages just once on the final day, and characters from a shit franchise that no one even asked for?

how sad that fkg is having two events at the same time but even if you cleared both you still wouldn't have enough for a 10-roll
truly generous game right here

>>20941201
Reroll for the 140 Eidolon and fill same element with event ones.
In time you'll get enough SSR himes.

>>20941242
wouldn't hodr be better than fleurety
guaranteed def down is okay if hraesvelgr whiffs

>>20941242
Got it, thanks anon. Been testing the waters for rerolls on DMM and I'm really hating the load times, but what can you do.
It's not like the English version has Leviathan out, so I can't exactly go roll for her there.
They only have the Wind 140, and I'm not sure if Wind is stacked with big titted kami like Water is.

>>20941295
I think thunder is the most stacked?

>>20941719
It sure is.

>>20941755
Could this be salvaged if they replace those low effort placeholder knights with pests instead?

>>20941803
But the beauty is in the low-effort. Replacing them with pests is way too much work for a collab.

>>20941163
>What's everyone mad about
One person is "foaming at mouth" mad at the collab, but not because of the actual collab but because they're mad at FKG devs at least once a month for whatever "reason" that's available. They're also responsible for 95% of the "FKG devs are scum and need to be crucified" posts.

Everyone else doesn't seem to care nearly as much, even though the collab seems to be considered lackluster at best.

At least that's the impression I got from wading through the posts of the last two days.

I really want option to change battle sprites in Aigis. I just dont like, when characters have too much random shiny stuff on them. Its wierd, what they let us to choose art, but not bs.

>>20942026
It won't be as bad if our local shill just ignored them instead of going on a crusade to protect FKG devs' honor.
This has became weekly dose now.

>>20942103
But he must crusade against this one person that he really hates. Doesn't matter if the entire thread turns against him and tells him to fuck off forever, he'll always come back to tell us how he's the one that will save us from the evil shitposter.

Just get your own general then jesus christ

>>20942773
>>20942103
>>20941803
>>20941755
>>20941809
All of these are me by the way, the evil shitposter.

So I checking out some 2ch threads and suddenly I got reminded of the Fruit Girls PV. Whatever happened to that?

>>20941067
>but no one would shoot themselves in the foot this bad

I could put together a big compilation of big and small companies shooting themselves in the most hilarious way possible. If big popular companies can fuck up in a way they have to issue apologies to everyone involved then nobody is safe from slipping badly.

>>20942930
I personally love this one for example

>>20942883
that fkg rip-off?
I wouldn't be surprised if it died even with fkg's current situation

>500(00) gems later
>only one rainbow on the second roll
>spook

>>20943262
Reminder that guarantees are bad, please spend more stones goyim.

>>20942883
>>20943222
Has it even been released? At the very least, it never got onto the R18 side. Looking around, it's supposedly Spring 2019, but the trailer seems to be taken down and it really looks like a blatant FKG clone down to the logo, so maybe it's dead.

>>20943298
>>20943222
>FKG but better
seems like it'd be worth a try at least

>>20943298
Found the PV here.
https://www.taptap.com/app/144638

Also, it might have been taken down because the PV sounds like a blatant ripoff of the TrySail song "adrenaline!!!".

>>20943555