/jp/ - Otaku Culture

first hajimeru rtk warui

日本語はむずかしい

>>21594841
ie nihongo wa totemo easy desu desu

>>21594765
what about that one famous polyglot dude who used to alternate between all the languages he had learned throughout the day because he grew rusty in them when he didn't. this is true for 100% of everyone btw even kaufmann. he tends to learn closely related languages in succession and the cognates help.

>>21594772
acquisition is a given when talking about knowing a language and is completely irrelevant to forgetting vocab in a foreign language from seldom use you dumbass.

>>21594849
this language is so fuckin ez

do rtk

>>21594856
>and is completely irrelevant to forgetting vocab
If you are forgetting stuff then you never knew it, simple fact, you don't forget things you know guy. You're not even making anecdotal sense.

>>21594890
KKLC > RTK

>>21594928
piss > shit

>>21594942
I would not disagree with that.

>>21594946
not many people would
but u dont have to like piss to say so

i can't do this shit anymore, i think i'll just 諦める

諦めて and keep on reading eroge, but without having to push yourself on doing anki reps or anything like that.

>>21594970
not even on my deathbed

apparently little kids love head pats...
and i love giving em ^o^

>>21594834
Quizlord isn't in the thread, but I'm wondering a few things:

How do you make your anime cards?
How long does it take you to make them?

I'm feeling like I might wanna do something similar but I don't know how and don't wanna spend 5+ minutes making a better card when it's only gonna reduce my Anki reps by like 30 seconds overall.

just to let you know, if you learn nippongo you live in a clown world *honk honk*

>>21595078
I guess I'll tell that to my clown friends and then uhhh

Do nothing because I'm not a /pol/tard in the first place.

>>21595073
Read the guide retard

>>21594834

after i'm done taking the N2 i think i'm going to start a custom kanji deck that's 100 times better than RTK, compiled only from kanji i've encountered in words, but can't confidently recall a meaning for the individual kanji.

it's gonna look like the attached image
kanji by itself on the front.
on the back, keyword/short description in JAPANESE taken from 漢字ペディア, and a word that contains the kanji (one i already know).

on the first review i'll write the kanji by its radicals (only for muscle memory bonus, not to be able to write them all from memory, although that might happen anyway for some of them), and only write it again after that if i forget it/mix it up with another one.

since i obviously won't be adding kanji i already know like the back of my hand, there will probably be around 700 left to study out of jouyou. 15 a day and i'd get through the deck in 46 days. and if what this guy said
>>21594394
>"rtk doesnt help you understand japanese" on the contrary kanji are not arbitrarily chosen but they are chosen by meaning in at least 90% of words rtk just hands you the definition for all of them
has any merit, it should make acquiring vocabulary from that point onwards even easier. all the benefits of RTK i actually care about. just no pointless english keywords, unnecessary stories (i might make a couple for ones that are easy to confuse, perhaps using only the radical(s) that are unique from the 似てる漢字), or pointlessly forcing myself to memorize all their writings.

>>21595315
memorizing kanji meanings is an even more useless skill than writing

>>21595315
just read bro

>>21595336
かきとりのじゅんばんは

このじゅんばんがいいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>21595336
This is a pretty bad take. I know 意 (ez common Kanji I know but example still stands) has a meaning like "feelings" or "thoughts", from learning「意味」so when I saw「意識」and「得意」I had a pretty good idea of what they meant before looking them up.

I'm sure someone can come up with a better example but it doesn't really matter. You're not memorizing the meaning of the kanji as a skill unto itself. It's a means to the end of, ya know, learning Japanese.

>>21595336
I was thinking of doing this myself actually. I agree with your arguments in theory. Plus people saying read more (while I agree with the sentiment) are forgetting that these kanji occur less frequently so they become harder to get used to.

Secondly, it will make it easier to acquire any words that use those kanji because you'll have some mnemonic bedrock for them to cling to

>>21595434
if uve read like 2 eroge and u see 勃発 ull go oh thats in 勃起
u never needed to make a flash card for 勃 the connections just happen as u get familiar with more and more words

>>21595336
>knowing kanji meanings is useless
that makes no sense but you're free to have nonsensical opinions
>>21595434
obviously. i said i'm only doing it for ones that i HAVEN'T made those kinds of connections with yet, for whatever reason. 意 is among the 1000+ that will be omitted from my custom deck, because i already know it.
>>21595474
so will 勃 and 起.

>>21595510
i didnt say knowing
i said memorizing

>>21595510
I'm
>>21595434
I was agreeing with you lmoa
I was saying learning those connections is good for overall retention in the future

>>21595439
>these kanji occur less frequently so they become harder to get used to
yep. and some of them there's just this vague air of mystery around them, because my memory is hooked to the kanji that i'm more familiar with and kind of just ignores the other one? if that makes sense. for example when i see 衝撃, since i'm only sure what げき is, then aside from the reading and the meaning of the entire word, my mind just goes "somethin i dont rlly know + 撃".
there are a bunch of words where that happens. i want to balance that out.

since i'll be making this deck alongside my reading rather than all at once (spot a kanji that falls into said category, mark it for adding), it really won't feel like be that big of an investment. and i'll quickly be able to tell as i continue to read alongside making/reviewing the deck, whether it's helping with my recognition and processing of the kanji i add, or not. i predict that it will.

i want to quit doing my reps i dont even read manga anymore but i'll feel sad

>>21595569
why would you even quit manga

>>21595580

i can't find any old stuff that i want to read right now and the stuff i do read is released so slowly

>>21595539
that distinction is irrelevant here since i'm using japanese descriptions and not english keywords, and cause i'm already familiar with the words i'm putting on the back/how they're used.

theres no reason why doing this would be incompatible with "feeling" the kanji like i can with the ones i already know well.
i'm using japanese definitions/keywords for a reason. instead of blindly memorizing an english word to recall, i'm attaching the feeling of the kanji that the japanese description of it points to. it's just a more deliberate/targeted version of what already happens when learning words.
let's not act like its impossible for our brains to ignore parts of things and take shortcuts despite us seeing the thing repeatedly. i'm just filling those gaps.

>>21595569
You never read manga in the first place.

>>21595592
>i can't find any old stuff that i want to read right now
there are literally thousands of manga to read lmao
go on s-manga.net and look for something dude.
試し読み放題だよ

>>21595601
>filling those gaps
this is a major appealing point about this.

on top of that even the natives have to study kanji consciously. You're doing it in context and using it to supplement your learning so it's not as abstract as front loading with rtk and your brain already has a solid network in place to make it relatively effortless. Looks like you stand to gain a lot of bang for buck from a theoretical perspective desu. You'll be better at guessing the meanings of academic compound words too and all of this comes at a much cheaper investment than just adding every word you dont know.

"just read bro" cult getting btfo in here
kanji study is the future

Is there a way to download epubs of the novels on the djt site?

>>21595646
its definitely better than ending up with a big stack of 20k sharex cards. if you recall the nuances of the kanji you'll recall the meaning of the jukugo if you're capable of basic addition

>>21595624
× 試し読み放題だよ
○ 試し読みし放題だよ

I mean every system to learning has it's pro's and cons. There's a hundred things you're not learning if you're just doing kanji in isolation. If you could time everything out so you learn a little of bit of everything every day that would be ideal. It's all kind of minutia anyways as long as your working towards your goal doing something.

>>21595666
aozora bunko

>>21595682
先生、質問がある
「立ち読み放題」なんか正しいらしい
なぜ「試し読み放題」なんか正しくないの？理由があるのか？気分が違うだけですか？

>>21595790
I’m guessing it’s because 読みする is an actual phrase even if 読み itself is マス系。

>>21595824
>マス形
Whoops.

>>21595824
???
全然関係ない

>>21595840
Well, I thought so.

>>21595790
ためしよみはためすにするのいみがはいってるからじゃないかな

>>21595866
どっちも読みってよ
>>21595871
試し放題かな
わかる

what's the gesture drawing of nihongo?

>マイボトル
lmao this fucking meme language

ここで使える記号がまだ良く判ってないので、先にテスト。(矢印のみ。環境依存文字は除く)
、、

>>21595913
あ、どの文字も全滅なのか。マジか
良くわからん仕様なんだな… 謎過ぎる。

>>21595911
どんまい

plastic bag
レジぶくろ

>>21595236
Now that's a SHIt post lmao.

Can someone help me understand what memesplosion girl is saying here? I can tell she's talking about they fucked up this dude's name again by only getting 1 character right, but I can't figure out exactly what she's saying about it.

>>21595679
Laughable talking up to people infinitely more capable than you in everything Japanese including anything you can gain from retard resources like RTK
there is a reason to keep making cards you are just too short sighted and incompetent to see it and if I had to make a prediction I’d say you too will eternally be a shitter same as most of the pathetic losers in this shithole

>>21596049
Man quiz I'm glad you dunked on RTK, seeing someone who "made it" really adds heft to the dunk

>>21596049
You look more pathetic each time you come back here. Either stop pretending to have the balls to stick to a decision or actually man up and stay out.

>>21596049

you should try justifying your claims with reasons or are you afraid they'll get torn apart? you keep claiming to have a sick hand but you never play your cards. it's not that we are incapable of seeing what you see, it's just that you're hiding it from us behind accusations of our ineptitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge

now's your chance quizler, enlighten the shitters with a cogent argument and dont say we should just trust in your method because you'll own us on the quiz because

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

>>21596151
>cogent
i want to mine this do u happen to know an audiovisual work in which it appears

Reminder to watch JAV for immersion and motivation!

>>21596171
ill check the anki deck that i made from all of the english cartoons i watched to memorise all my english vocab from

>>21596151
I’m not a broken record player whose sole purpose is entertaining the retards undergoing a daily memory wipe
I’ve explained everything already several times
if you’d rather choke on your own stupidity that’s your choice and I got better things to do than save every person willingly marching towards the cliff

おさしみたべたい

>>21596235
>not a broken record player

Do anime cards

>>21595790
>>21595824



「試し読み」」も「立ち読み」も「動詞」ではなく、いずれも「名詞」だからだよ。
名詞の形のまま動詞として使う場合には「する」を付けるのだから、
「する」を「し」に変化させる必要が有ると言うだけ。
一見「複合動詞」の様にも見えるけど、「do 試し読み」「do 立ち読み」と言う事。
なので、「立ち読み放題」も完全な間違い。凄く単純な法則。

「(何々：なになに)放題」の前に入るのは、何らかの「行為」に限定される事は判っていると思うけど、、
ここに入るのは動詞だけに限らない訳だけど、純粋な動詞だけの場合、単語により変化が異なるだけ。
下に例を沢山挙げたけど「立ち読み放題」がダメで、「読み放題」が成立する理由は、これね。

1)送り仮名の全部か一部を削る。 (い段＋る、え段＋る)
「見る/観る」なら、「見-/観-」
「居る」なら、「居-」
「着る」なら、「着-」
「煮る」なら、「煮-」

「える(得る)」なら、「え-」
「食べる」なら、「食べ-」
「掛ける/賭ける」なら、「掛け-/賭け-」
「投げる」なら、「投げ-」
「例える」なら、「例え-」
「茹でる」なら、「茹で-」

但、 「知る」「切る/斬る」「散る」などや、受動や可能の「れる、られる」、
使役の「せる」などは、これに当てはまらなかたったりもするけどね。

2) 1)以外は、送り仮名を「う段」から、同じ行の「い段」に変える。
「する」なら、「し-」 (＝仕放題)
「読む」なら、「読み-」
「歌う/唄う」なら、「歌い-/唄い-」
「泣く/鳴く」なら、「泣き-/鳴き-」
「書く/描く/掻く」なら、「書き-/描き-/掻き-」
「やる」なら、「やり-」
「死ぬ」なら、「死に-」

- 1)の例外
-「知る」なら、「知り-」
-「切る/斬る」なら、「切り-/斬り-」
-「散る」なら、「散り-」 (「散らかす」なら「散らかし-」)
-「強いる」なら、「強いり-」

word of the day : 慇懃無礼

>>21596249
you can

>>21596292
didnt read lol

yeah ok i had japanese words and mazegaki jukugo on the front of almost every rtk card when i deleted my deck.
it's fucking pointless don't do it.
if youre gonna do anki do simple vocab cards or something like that quiz guy does

>>21596366
why was it pointless? could you elucidate a little please? could you also give a reason why simple vocab cards or media enriched cards are not pointless? not arguing with you, just want to see your rationale as I accept the it's almost certain that there's something I'm missing in my current understanding of language acquisition and there's a chance I could learn something useful

>>21596397
damn i love civil discourse
nipples, hardened

getting my anime immersion in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o70cCXEW0DY

>>21596397
because there is no real life application to seeing a word written in kana or an english word and then writing the correct kanji. at least with vocab cards there is an application of seeing a word and being able to read it. i would actually say dont do anki at all because you can remember vocab by just reading a lot in this case though.
what do you think are the benefits of rtk/kanji writing cards?

idk why rtk gets so much debate on whether u should do it or not if it took a year then id understand but you can do the entire thing in less than a month there must be something better worth debating

i wanna see quiz master and rarepotato battle eachother in the quiz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NcOz6C7qxo#t=61

no doubt if he won hed just be considered some kind of genius like jamal fan supposedly is and u should still do anki lol

anki cult

>>21596428
thanks.

i think kanji writing cards have more negatives overall but I'll entertain it. Kanji writing cards force you to retrieve the kanji from memory thereby creating a stronger, clearer and more accurate mnemonic bedrock. This mnemonic bedrock will allow you to pick up the other information about the kanji (words, readings) without confusing it with others and allowing you to make more associations, reducing the memory burden, blah blah... I'll stop now im starting to remind myself of reddit or mattvsjapan

read more is the only thing that's got the science behind it. memory curve doesn't count because memorizing is at best a component of acquiring.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/lexical-priming

Looks like /a/ thinks manga is reading.
>>>/a/189866899

>>21596297
おしょうゆは？

>>21596464
>you can do the entire thing in less than a month
Maybe the first book only, and you won't remember shit well unless you get straight into the following ones. In that case, why not just use KKLC? Who, precisely, is the you with the eidetic memory? Certainly isn't me.

>>21596556
have u tried reading more

>>21596564
Reading English textbooks DEFINITELY isn't reading bubsy.

KKLC is way better if you're gonna argue "read more" since RTK doesn't even teach you to fuckin' read in the first book.

it doesnt teach you how to read in the 2nd or 3rd book either. reading words written in kanji isn't reading. following conversations and understanding complex sentences and inferencing and thinking about the plot is reading.

>>21596571
no i mean u go through rtk after learning basic grammar and vocab so u can actually read more than one sentence every 2 mins then u go into reading. if ur consistently reading after doing rtk then u wont forget them.

>>21596556
>and you won't remember shit well unless you get straight into the following ones
why exactly do you think this?

>>21595439
>>21595550
it's always weird when a couple of newfriends jerk each other off over their dumbass theories

hOly mOly

imagine needing 17k sharex cards (= 1500 hours input/making/repping minimum) to only get 290 on jcat when you can get that same score in less time with a fraction of the cards (if any). remember, in order for acquisition to take place you need novelty and repetition, those shiny pictures and noises on the back of your card will invariably lose their luster within a couple of reps time

>>21596601
>to only get 290 on jcat
why is quiz bragging about his japanese prowess if he can't even crack 300 on the jcat lol

who ?

>>21596589
its weird that you think homoerotic thoughts when people agree with each other

>>21596601
Based on the 2500 hour estimate to learn Japanese, as a Category 5 difficulty language, that's actually just BARELY better than what you would expect.

Agree that if you have the aptitude to learn it's time wasted, though.

I’ve invested less time than most of you
Probably less than a total of 1000 hours of Anime and less than 500 hours on Anki
besides I could probably get past 300 now that score was before I even started consuming LoGH and had thousands of cards less

The only one who beats me in this thread is makopi aka jamal fan
you are free to try his method
but the fact that none of you will ever catch up to me won’t change
no matter how many nonsense theories you come up with

>>21596618
>I’ve invested less time than most of you
https://www.strawpoll.me/18087847/
You've invested more time than most people here. You've probably even invested more time than people who have been studying for 2+ years because you put in more hours than them.

>>21596618
>>21596635
あなたが書いたpostsを正しい日本語で書き直してください

>>21596618
>1000 hours anime
>500 hours anki

imagine needing 17k sharex cards (=1500 hours) to only get 290 on jcat

idk theres a lot of things to make fun of quiztard about but making memory shrines with anime clips is the least damning imo

>>21596648
Imagine continuing to shit on quiz for getting a very respectable score despite using a method you think is inefficient (it is but Quiz seems to have autistic dedication which balances it) in less time than it reasonably would have taken a normal person

>>21596656
but its the one that gets to him the most because he's hedging all his bets on it for when he starts his patreon after he fails to get a degree and has no other way to have his self delusions validated

i don't think quiz has mentioned using grammar guides like tae kim. did he?

>なぜなら誰でも、諦めなければ夢は必ず叶うと信じているのだァッ！
think i like amakasu even more than reinhard idk how masada consistently writes these kinds of antagonists also find it kinda funny that he based amakasu on the guy who killed his family lmao

its ok ive dispatched of quizler for now we dont have to talk about him anymore

there's many grammar points in DoJG that i either did not encounter, or do not remember encountering in the 2 lns i read. is reading the DoJG overkill?

>>21596686
you dont read the dojg u consult it lol u fuckin dOrk lmao

>>21596679
>based amakasu on the guy who killed his family
autism

>>21596691
i repped it in anki to make sure i didn't need to consult it.

Where can I download Jpop albums? Specifically Judy and Mary stuff?

>>21596686
there's many words in Oxford English Dictionary that i either did not encounter, or do not remember encountering in the 2 novels i read. is reading the Oxford English Dictionary overkill?

I have watched all the 水曜日のダウンタウン and 月曜から夜更かし that I could find on nyaa. Anybody know of some other good seeded shows you can find on there or other sources?
>inb4 Akbingo
I'm not an 握手会 loving paedophile so no thanks

>>21596692
i think it's kinda based desu

>>21596698
but DoJG is specifically a dictionary for grammar, only covers about 600 points, and it goes without saying that it is nowhere near as expansive as the oxford dictionary. bad analogy.

>>21596706
The fact that it has the title of "Dictionary" is what I was pointing out
Generally a dictionary is created to be encyclopedic in nature, not for casual studying.

imagine studying reference books lmfao

>>21596715
>>21596717
but it presents the same kind of information you'd find in tae kim...

what does that have to do with anything

>>21596718
there is no progression in dojg its in alphabetical order. tae kim at least has some sort of progression.
obsessing over english language materials for learning japanese is stupid though just do /something/ and then start reading

>>21596700
meant variety shows btw

if u guys want to become like quiz u should do core 6k for a year first

I legit laughed at this, I wonder why they removed this in the international version.

>>21596750
legit if youre interested in the news tho desu

>>21596751
no antisemitism will be tolerated by nintendo of america

>>21596757
or you could just sentence mine the news from day one?

>>21596635
What is the jamal fan method?

>>21596767
They prolly thought it would be mean to put a 10 rupee piece instead of a piece of triforce in the bottom of the combat challenge dungeon.

>>21596785
with crisp native audio for every sentence?

I want to anime mine to improve my listening but I already know some words and sentences via reading so mining them just for the audio feels weird.

>>21596794
there's sites which provide audio for their articles. i think tbs news does.

>>21596798
Listen to ポッドキャスト

>>21596791
idk seems like a good lesson in life to me

>>21596790
watch vtubers all day

>>21595624
You seem to be confused. Manga isn't reading.

>>21596794
nhk radio news is usually almost word for word the same as the individual articles. Not that you would understand any of it for while as a beginner. I would recommend keeping reading and listening separate and listening to something you are more likely to understand more of. Then gradually move your way up to the news. With reading though you have infinite time to look the words up and you can just copy them into a dictionary so there is no way you can really mess up.

>>21596827
If you kept listening and reading separate you'd be missing out on some kamigees though.

>>21596751
>find gold
>it's fake
every time

>>21596810

>>21596855
yeah you can just play them later and actually enjoy them rather than using listening and reading to consume the same content from the start ultimately becoming nothing but mediocre at both

>>21596900
Google gives fake results

>>21596900
Are we doing pictures now i have a picture too.

>>21596901
You can just play them now and enjoy them now like that commercial it's my money and I need it now.
I didn't really read your post sorry I just wanted to shoutout erogees.

あげる

>>21596946
Can you post the other one I never saved it i wanted to use that one.

どれをする
どれにする
どれがする
what's the difference

i guess u mean this ?

>>21596958
どれでもいい

>>21596958
the particle. next question

>>21596946
スリッドちょうだい！いい匂い。

>>21596973
wrong answer

わたしはゲイ？

>>21596973
arent u a smarty pants looks like ur ready to tackle the next puzzle shown on the far right of this image

>>21596977
うん。すごく。

https://youtu.be/7MxklQXJbz8?t=55
did our boy big brit matt get dumped by his long distance jp gf?

>>21596977
非常に

>>21596983
>long distance jp gf
What a fucking loser

>>21596983
life is nothing but a series of 出会いs and 別れs lol

日本語むずいですよ

日本語まずいですよ

>>21596900
krashen credits his literacy to reading comic books

imagine not knowing むずい

krashen doesnt know japanese

no but he does know yiddish and hebrew

>>21597081
>hebrew comics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5dhhdhO4Yw#t=29

>>21597068
which is strange considering how that's obviously completely false and he ended up reading a wide range of material in his life that he'd have always read regardless if he read comic books.

imagine telling krashen manga isnt reading and he just german suplexes u on the spot lmao

記号入力テスト： △▲ (三角)

I can understand japanese spoken at a fast native pace no issue and I can read most things without using a dictionary often if ever. However, when I'm reading it feels like there is somebody pulling me back or like there is some fog in my brain. Even though I know the words and their readings I just can't read faster than 300 moji a minute. How do I practice to remove that mental block? does anybody have experience with feeling the same?

>>21597168
Just feel it dude

the さくら通信 app is finally out and you can actually buy the 過去放送s and おまけs without having to email anybody or wait. just thought id let you know

>>21597168
a lot of ppl just read slow and retarded idk what to say about it cuz i remember the other kids in school being the slow reading retards and i was just like well whatever im just higher iq thats prolly why and never thought about it again

till now

>>21597179
i read at a higher than average pace in both of my native languages though?

>>21597182
can u speak fluent japanese ?

>>21597192
not yet but that shouldn't really have anything to do with reading speed. For example I can read norwegian at an average speed even though I can't speak it at all

>>21597200
doesnt make sense to me cuz i think reading has everything to do with flow in the language

i guess ultimately my guess is u still go 1 character at a time and dont immediately recognize bigger chunks and move on without further examination

>>21597219
how do i change that do you think?

hate to say it but its definitely read more

ull one day realize u can just go faster and start doing so

>>21597234
alright i guess i'm fine with that. it's just hard to find motivation to read when it goes so much slower than anime, podcasts or terebi

The Review Heatmap addon for Anki maxes out at 365 days on the streak counter. I want to go higher.

>>21597282
why. after 365 days there shouldn't be that many new words and you should be able to delete a lot of cards (you don't really need a card for 食べる for example). Nowadays my anki reps are 10 minutes a day at most with new cards and I'm reading novels. What are you reading that requires anki heatmaps m8

imagine using anki in 2019

>tfw 2/4 of those 365days is RTK

>>21597290
>after 365 days there shouldn't be that many new words
the fuck are you talking about

Predicting the djt meta, people will be dropping anki after 100 word or so and there will be an overwhelmingly uptake in the read more cult until it collapses after a few months when people realise kanji requires drilling and then the isolated kanji recognition card revolution will begin. All the while quizlet will be peddling his anime cards firm in his belief that recognition of kanji equates to nihongo skill

Quizmaster is the best poster /djt/ has ever seen.

Really weird question... anybody take the CFA here?
If I passed that about how long would it take to pass up to JLPT 3 in comparison?

>>21597303
KKLC, and it is 100% from that. Still 3 months before I'm done.

i don't know how much the anki reviews help but if he is watching and reading intensively for many hours im sure he knows how to read the stuff thats in his anki deck in native sources

>>21597311
there just aren't. i read ningensikkaku and both norwegian wood books about a year in and found at the very most 200 new words between them all. unless if you read really fast that is not much more than 10 minutes of anki a day for the new words

>>21596958
A) どれをする (asking about next action mainly) = なにをする
B) どれにする (asking about selecting item/menu/method mainly) = なににする
however, many cases can use either A or B. (Aでも、Bでも、どちらでもよい。)
(例)
ゲーム、どれをする = next, which game do you play? (= どれであそぶ?)
ゲーム、どれにする = next, which game do you select? (= どれをえらぶ?)
ゲーム、どれをする = which one next? (to buy for playing the game) (= つぎ、何買ってあそぶ?)
ゲーム、どれにする = which one next? (to buy a new game soft/hardware) (= つぎ、何買う?)

C) どれがする (asking about cause, affirmation), but this is rare case, ほとんどつかわない。

>>21597345
man i tried to read norweigan wood and got like half way through the first book before i shelved it cuz it was so boring. i thought murakami was overrated after that but i might try reading it again some time

>>21597359
yeah it is overrated in my opinion. a shame cause kaze no uta wo kike is my favourite book of all time. read that instead

i'm officially a 27yo virgin!
3 years to go to get my powers!

>>21597363
23yo here, how do I make sure that I will reach your point? What are the secrets?

>>21597321
that'd actually be me and quiz isn't even in the top 5

>>21597367
keep studying japanese full-time and you'll get there

excuse u

>>21597372
I'll do my best!

eating and watching anime ftw

for the first time since I started japanese i finished an episode of jap subbed anime and want to watch another one

if u dont start every day with a healthy breakfast and a episode of anime ur not gonna make it

>>21597361
i read kike as a racial slur : (

>>21597380
based x-god dosia,

>>21597380
woah i didn't know this cross eyed fuck watched anime

>>21597380
>>21597434
wait so there are 2 people other than me that follow csgo competitive itt?

>>21597468
absolutely everything to be ashamed of. never mention it again.

>>21597468
I don't watch that shit anymore, it's waste of time.

>>21597490
imagine being ashamed of your interests fucking lmao shit's dope as fuck, going to berlin to watch the major in september

you need to meditate
you need to do rtk
you need to learn pitch accent
you need to take fish oil pills
but dont learn japanese youre not ready for that

>>21596581
>understanding complex sentences
you heard it here first folks, short sentences aren’t reading anymore

fuckin esports kids

>>21597516
reading isn't reading

>>21597526
t. jerks off to cartoon children

>>21596673
right it’s really stupid
even if his method isn’t the most efficient to you, at least he’s doing it and consistent. his level of comprehension at 2 years is a lot better than the majority of people who take up japanese.

>>21597530
not me dude i only jack off to real ladies

err real cartoon ladies excuse me

>>21597530
kys

>>21597543
are you posting this pic until we like it ?

>>/jp/21407422
what the fuck are these threads? are they just watching random train station cameras in japan? wtf

>>21597560
i dont give a fuck what u like

i post what i like

>>21597562

>>21407422
wait is this how you do it, havent crosslinked in forever

>>21597562
weebs are fucken weird

>>21597564
you're a true chad or you're butthurt because you know everyone think you have shit taste

anyone here played any japanese mmo’s

>tfw no qt witch gf

btw this show is great

>>21597564
you actually like that shit?
she’s dying of boob cancer dude

>>21597570
pick whichever u want dude i aint worried about it

>>21597571
i have mmos are dead tho u missed the boat on that

>>21597575
i wanted to stop listening to gibberish podcasts where i can't understand a single sentence and start watching anime to learn, so i tried out this anime. i quit less than halfway through the first episode. fuck that boring shit.

>>21596983
He looks different

>>21597582
if i found sol boring i'd be in deep shit since everything else is hard af

>>21597577
its more like absurd tits hanging off a woman that is seemingly just living her life lmao that shit gives me a huge boner

>>21597575
>>21597582
agreed its just lukewarm garbo lol i dont get why any1 likes it it doesnt do anything

>>21597515
>fish oil pills
is this a real matt meme

Whoever was getting insecure over my supposed Japanese skills or intellectual abilities, y'all can go home now 'cause I just took the J-CAT and the result says I am gloriously Pre-Advanced and grammatically crippled to boot.

i dont feel like doing anki anymore, no matter what i do my retention is shit and it only ends up taking more and more time but if i drop it i wont remember anything at all anymore maybe i should just quit trying to learn japanese, too low iq i guess
today it took less cuz no new cards, normally it goes above 150 minutes...
i even get nightmares about japanese that leave me extremely tired and even less capable of learning

>>21597624
your problem is doing anki, just read what you want to read and don't do something you don't want to do

>>21597617
i post this all the time but i got it 11 months in (now 16 months in). how long have you been studying

>>21597617
its ok i sorta expected about that much as basically all ur japanese posts are weird but i think ull be fine

>>21597624
you should delete your deck and continue using anki

>>21597633
3-ish years with frequently interspersed laziness and so on.

>>21597634
Thank you brother. I just do whatever I feel like doing in this language, and I'll do my best doing that from here on too.

>>21597617
Remember JCAT is just a test. Getting good at making tests is actually a skill that can be trained.

>>21597663
Didn't train or study for this or any other japanese tests.

>>21597624
Why the fuck do you have so many reviews??

>>21597633
PS I think that's pretty sick for someone 11 months in, consider taking over my place as the rain man of Japanese learning.

>>21597667
You might get a way better score if you do is what I'm saying. I don't think language tests are good at measuring proficiency to be honest. Tests always try to get you with questions like: What did the author mean with this, or correct grammar which wouldn't be used in Japanese. If you are prepared for these qeustions and you know how to deal with them its much easier.

>>21597681
because im retarded and have missed cards show in 3 lapses because if i try it normally i have like 50 percent retention, i really tried everything but it really feels like im just too dumb

>>21597696
thanks lmao. i cant write kanji though. can you?

>>21597582

>>21597698
I have a lot of room for improvement anyway. I'm fine with how the test rated me. (´・ω・｀)

>>21597707
Overwhelmingly no. I thought how to handwrite じゅぎょう in kanji right now and I didn't get past being reasonably sure but not 100% sure that the じゅ character may have a てへん.

>>21597701
I print out my new cards into physical flash cards because I can't remember new words from the anki screen. I've also devised a method to my rote retardation that lets me get through 30 of these in about 10-15 minutes. Retention rate is around 85% usually. Holding the actual flash cards in my hands makes it so much easier to remember.

Bring on the mockery

>>21597746
eventually you will have thousands of these then?

>>21597773
I use anki for reviews, I just study my daily new cards through physical flash cards and then throw them out. I can recognize/review words fine on a screen but I can't memorize new ones. It is retarded I'll admit but it works so whatever. Before I did this I'd spend an hour trying to memorize new cards in anki and had a 60% retention rate.

>>21597788
have you done rtk?

Read this 神風

>>21597801
god wind

then read this 特別攻撃隊

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ynDj1owczE#t=76

>>21597794
Nah, I tried but it was too aids for me. I started reading at 500 words and am at 3500 now so I don't think I'll be doing it either.

>>21597801
typhoon, the greek god

>>21597812
This song actually inspired me to look up the kanji for kamikaze

>>21597813
>too aids
sounds like you just have a bad visual memory to me

word of the day : 睡眠時間

>>21597801
i just passed the n5 last year but that definitely starts with ne. why is everybody else giving joke answers i just want to learn for real

what did he mean by that

>>21597836
for most people that is a word of the night you fucking hiki neet scum get a job

>>21597801
かみかぜ

>>21597832
Could be, but I found a way around it so I'm not too concerned

don’t eat for 3 days you can save like 30 bucks to buy manga and games

>>21597844
but it's too hot to stay awake all day anon I'd rather sleep

>>21597801
>神風
「しんぷう」と「かむかぜ」以外の読み方に違和感を感じる

>>21597844
>tfw been jobless for 5 months after working for almost 5 years
Want to kms pretty much everyday

>しんぷう

confused
is it
連合国軍最高司令官ダグラス・マッカーサー
or is it
ダグラス・マッカーサー連合国軍最高司令官

>>21597863
why dont u just get money urself dude theres tons of money out there

>>21597844
jobs are for poors

>>21597851
Thanks for the tip!

>>21597851
i dont spend 10 bucks a day on food but i also make all my own meals like big boy

>tfw inheriting residential rental property which nets 60 grand a year
should i ever work or should i just watch anime till i die

>>21597879
i mean mo money mo problems dude as ull soon find out

>>21597870
It's living hell to start a company in my country. All of my uncles and even my dad are a wreck because of it.
So I've seen it 1st hand.

>>21597863
岬たん will come anon don't worry

imagine thinking u just own a rental property and thats it u never have to do a thing again ahaha

>>21597886
u dont have to start a company u can just freelance for a while

>>21597883
i already only spend about 1/5th of the money i could so im not sure that'll be the case. i live pretty simply.
>>21597889
imagine not knowing what a property management company does

wish that were me lol

>>21597865
ダグラス・マッカーサー連合国軍最高司令官 i think is best, but they both sound normal to me

>>21597901
we all wish. Never forget that Misaki is the most perfect girl and even more for neet like us

>>21597896
imagine thinking the property management company has ur best interests in mind lmfao

>>21597906
i don't
i want to put a leash on that girl though

>>21597901
that image looks really smelly

>>21597916
she would like that too, that's why she's a perfect wife

>>21597901
it already is minus the girl existing next to u lol

>>21597923
how do i get a gf like her?

post a want ad online describing that u want a girl like her and watch them line up

>>21597934
if she was real you wouldn't have anything to do as she is craving for useless and pathetic neet's love but since she doesn't exist you just can't. At least you can imagine that she is your gf

i think u can pay professionals to spoon with u now if thats what u want also

>>21597939
sigh...
life is suffering

>>21597934
go on fetlife and find some fat submissive cow

>>21597945
anime girls are both a blessing and a curse

cuz the imaginary gf is ftw but u get the professional spooner and close ur eyes and that moment fantasy and reality meet ur brain is gonna release all kind of epic chemicals

stop thinking about 3d whores they can't live up to your ideal

>>21597946
no, thanks
i like my girls submissive and thin
you can have the fat cows if you want

>>21597950
or it'll be the wrong chemicals like when a cuck sees the black dick go into his wife for the first time and instead of pleasure its sheer horror

>>21597956
you speak from experience?

the only time u should ever consider going 3d is if u can get with a rich girl

>>21597955
i know you dont like fatties, thats all u gonna get though

>>21597965
then i guess i'll stay alone forever

thinking of 2d lolis bullying me and forcing me to lick their sweat until turning full submissive when the 性行為 start gives me 喘息

ロリコン野郎
死ね！

>>21597979
he looks like a lolicon

>>21597979
n-no bully please don't be mean because i like ロリ妹

>>21597878
what do you make
i hope it includes vegetables

>>21597962
>tfw no qt3.14richgf who doesn't care about you not having money

>>21597945
being a slave to absurd desires is suffering

>>21598005
hell yea it does i eat fruit and veg every day

>>21597955
>submissive and thin
boring

>>21598013
good boy
*gives head pats*

>>21598009
imagine the dream dude a girl that just loves u unconditionally and is ur biggest fan that can also pay all the bills

>>21598017
i like to take bananas and dunk them in instant ramen when i eat them

>>21598018

>>21598011
there is nothing absurd into achieving happiness and happiness for me is having a cute and gentle anime gf

>>21598029
that’s not happiness lol you’re deluded

honestly if u think u can tell som1 else what happiness is or isnt its actually u that is deluded my geninja

>>21598029
based just keep believing

word of the day : 洗面所
hint : something you should use more

what do you see yourself doing in 10 years?

>>21598039
happiness is a feeling in the body, released by chemicals in the brain
doesn't matter who you are

bitching about how everything sux and the 2010s were so much better lol

>>21598119
yah but what triggers u to have ur brain release the chems is whats ftw

>>21598113
i hope by then i'll be brave enough to have finally killed myself.

>>21598143
or maybe ull grow up and stop being a whiny baby lol

>>21598113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgHGzB7E0Y

>>21598150
i'm highly neurotic. i'll never be satisfied so death would be nice.

>>21598128
you (or anon idk) believe you need the "anime girlfriend" to get those chemicals,
when there are thousands of other ways to get them. you've just warped your perceptions/conditioned your brain to believe that's the only way
hence the delusion part
its like believing the only way to get hydrated is to pour water into your asshole
like yeah... you could do it that way? but you could also just drink it and that would be easier/more realistic

>>21598166
Weird of you to assume that I believe it is the only way. I know there are multiple paths to happiness, I just think that the anime girlfriend is the ultimate one. That doesn't mean that I'm not happy when I'm doing other things I like

i think theres varying degrees of happiness but also each individual 出来事 also has its own unique happiness that doesnt exist elsewhere lol

>>21598161
how about undoing your warped conditioning that underlies that neuroticism
neuroplasticity is a thing so its not like you can't change how your brain processes information
you just have to actually put in the effort rather than just feeling sorry for yourself and letting it get worse

i've been trapped in the confines of extreme anhedonia for the past 5 years. i started learning japanese hoping it would give me some satisfaction but a year in ive accepted that it's just another thing others can enjoy but i dont get to. still doing it cause sunk cost fallacy and nothing better to do.

>>21598183
>neuroplasticity is a thing
no it's definitely not in the way that you think it is. i am absolutely fucked. there is no return.

>>21598186
when was the last time u physically hugged or were hugged by a human being

>>21598173
>I just think that the anime girlfriend is the ultimate one
yeah, that's delusional because its not. you've just conditioned yourself to believe it is.

>>21598187
>no it's definitely not in the way that you think it is
yes it is. its literally the only reason learning is possible. learning doesn't only include subjects like language and math.

わたしは思うだからわたしはゲイ

>>21598191
Nothing delusional in this man, I mean if thi does not make you happy then you're just a 馬鹿外人

osananananananajimi

>>21598197
how do ppl play these borign ass games

>>21598197
looks boring

>>21598197
used to play moege a lot until i realized that whenever i finished one i would just get depressed that qt anime gf never ever so now i just play chunnige

>>21598210
>>21598228
馬鹿外人

>>21598239
I don't play a lot of moege but it's like SoL anime after a hard day of work or a long day of laziness it helps me to relax and also cute 2d girl make me happy

俺たちの苦しみは三次元女のせいだ

>>21598266
お前もそうだろ lol

moege isnt reading

>>21598297
t. someone who never read and who is a complete failure in japanese but spend is day saying to people "manga/moege/etc is not reading"

if ur gonna play shitty moe game at least play 1 with banger op lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lrz1G1q948

people think learning is only stuff you do on purpose like learning how to code or learning a language. no. in fact the vast majority of our learning takes place outside of those kinds of things.
almost everything you do every day without even thinking about it, was learned, whether you're aware of that or not. how are your thinking patterns any different?

your current state is an accumulation of probably thousands of hours of negative rumination and denial of your own human needs; including things like physical touch like the other guys said. it it didn't happen overnight or by magic. you learned shitty patterns that make you feel shitty and now your brain is repeating them out of habit.

im honestly impressed u havent mentioned the m word yet im really proud of u : )

watching eroge openings on youtube ftw aint got time to read that shit

>>21598322
i've learned that it's pointless to bring it up when people don't even understand the basics of why it would be helpful in the first place, and are only able to associate it with floating hindu goddesses and shit because of their conditioning.
i'd rather just get them to understand the underlying mechanisms driving their mental patterns. once they can see the root of the problem, what they decide to do about it is up to them.

btw i saw someone say earlier like they were making fun of jamal or jamal's son for getting some n1 word wrong or something on a quiz. jlpt tests don't have set lists of vocabulary so there is no such thing as an n1 word or an n5 word. there are just words.

who cares about japanese anyway all I want now is a cute korean gf to cook me delicious meals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_6CMcRT6i8

>>21598378
Because we'd rather have an anime cook us delicious meals

>>21598375
i never did a quiz just 2 set the record straight

>>21598378
korean anime is shit

>manga isn't reading

read manga

>>21598467
>二つの世界

what a surprise

post actual bangers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40PJl0ExJYg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF6MMO5u_Vc

>>21598375
I think I haven't been made fun of for misreading words of Japanese at any point in my life.

Nihongo word of the day:

読漫（どくまん）

You might tell me: "Oh, but jamal fan, this word does not exist!" To which I ask you: "Well, does Reading Manga exist?" And there you have your answer!

読子 読漫 lmao

>>21596556
>>21596571
>>21594928
>>21597333
>KKLC
Just looked it up on Amazon.de/Amazon.com/Amazon.co.uk
Only used copies available. Starting from 80+Bongrunes/$100+/90+€

WHAT. IN. THE. EVER. LIVING. FUCK? That shit sold for 30 bucks merely two months ago when I was considering buying it.

>>21598189
an hour ago

>buying
uh it's called "the internet"

https://youtu.be/PmEW3vvVtI8

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATS7TldiafY

Suck my fucking 剣（つるぎ）

>>21598779
>tfw you will never make girls wet with any performance

Welcome to the club. I don't come to this sub anymore unless it's mentioned in other subs but when I used to study Japanese I'd be here almost every day for 18 months and the 1 thing that always would get on my nerves, there are so many controversial topics on this sub, but the one thing that should be controversial, SRS flashcards, isn't. Beginners who create thread "how should I learn vocab" insta get recommended sentence mining or something similar and even in this thread there are opinions like "SRS is technically one of the most efficient ways to learn things" which aren't even questioned.

So anyways, first of all, it's fine, not wasting time creating cards is more efficient in learning new vocab anyways. Just read and dont be lazy to look words up. You'll snowball vocab like crazy. For reference, in 5 days will be 2.5 years since I started learning Japanese, recently I've finished reading long JRPG in fantasy setting and I only had to look up 1-2 words every hour(and I always look up stuff I either cant guess meaning or dont know how to pronounce Kanji), I've read more than 50 novels and half a year ago I took some vocabulary test online and it said I knew 35k Japanese vocab. That's pretty efficient if I had to say so myself, I wonder how many reviews I'd have every day if I tried to learn 30k words in 2 years with Anki.

>>21598779
based visual kei

>>21597801
chinko to manko kaze.

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3goXxaeksFY

>>21598787
>and half a year ago I took some vocabulary test online and it said I knew 35k Japanese vocab
wwwwwwwwwwww do you also take internet IQ tests?

>>21598809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2whCwP3iQA

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U293wYs9cQ#t=18

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQAu4b3tHE
still listening to this, help

good stuff guys keep em comin

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXENptQ9yys

can i just read ero scenes and nothing else and become fluent

>>21598824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHX90ZS1Gss

>>21598838
>can i just watch porn and become fluent
fluent in porn yes

>>21598838
Definitely, combine that with 有修正 jav and you're set!

u cANt fucKing do SHIt

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JjRQk-F0p0

>>21598838
if ur goal is to just read doujinshi then this is perfectly fine

>>21598851
this is the punkiest thing so far good job man

>>21598844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iTCeny3Eg
i really am a faggot but this pop shit is so good

>>21598838
i learned 90% of this language through dlsite games so yes

lmao teenage mutant ninja kappas that's the good shit

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNWq5U1Na0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUTGr5t3MoY
whats the nihongo equivalent of this

oh thats easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awie_UCYe5Q#t=120

>>21598787
are you rarepotato69?

Aand done.
I gotta say, seeing your own progress going from 20-30minute textboxes to just looking up 0-2 words per box was fun.
I guess it's トワイライトプリンセス next and after that I'll try something a bit more challenging.

Share your time boxing strategies/experiences pls, what intervals do you use? Also is this really as effective as just reading something for an hour or two straight? Is there anything lost by way of lack of immersion even if you're consciously trying to maintain the same level of focus regardless if the intervals are 10 or 60 minutes?

>>21598912
congrats keep the train rolling

gj game finisher guy if only all the djt kids were like u

>>21598589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pppstt1_YZw

Do you read aloud in your head when you read japanese? How fast are you at reading?

>>21598943
I literally read aloud. It's way easier to make links to stuff I've heard/read in the past if I actually hear the words. A sentence which made 0 sense might make a bit more sense by doing this.

I'm slow as fuck.

>>21598933
since you use the i word maybe this is something copy and pasted from the mia discord but if its not ill say you shouldnt time yourself when doing japanese you should just have fun and stop when you arent having fun. switch it up. but if youre timing yourself its basically like ok i hate japanese so much but maybe if i set a timer for 5 seconds i can read something in japanese and make it out alive. if its not fun dont do it. learning japanese isnt for everyone if its a pain stop doing it

>>21598978
this should happen naturally without being told tho if it doesnt they are already lost and its too bad

also to build on that post that kind of shit is what i do with work lol

https://youtu.be/proylafJBGk?t=84
This video is a little bit different experience now

>>21598978
I disagree with this premise. People learn shit all the time that they don't have fun with 100% of the time. I got a bachelor and master degree doing just that.

I enjoy it most of the time, but some days days it's a chore but I don't want to skip out entirely on those days (hence my time box question since I saw someone mention it in the last thread). Overall I still want to learn the language because I want to reach my goal of being fluent, at which point it won't feel like a chore because the things that make it feel like that won't be occurring anymore, or at least not to the same degree. You don't have to enjoy the journey, that's a meme.

>>21599006
if you are struggling so much that you are thinking of breaking down your learning time down to ten minutes at a time itll probably take you 10 years to get fluent. absolutely it is more advantageous to read for hours and hours on end. the faster you run into new words and seeing those words repeated in text the faster youll progress. you cant expect a lot doing 10 minutes at a time cuz that isnt enough time to do a lot cuz im also assuming you read a lot slower in japanese than in your first language. hours man. sit and read for hours.

>>21599006
having a degree doesnt even mean ur competent honestly

ppl just cram and then forget everything later

>>21598787
I read around 20 novels total, some harder novels science fiction novels and some really easy novels like Haruhi. I also rarely need to look up stuff unless its some expression that I haven't seen yet like 諸刃の剣 or really specific stuff such as 三界 or 柄無し(つかなし) in the right context. Did 9k cards of 10k but I never really payed attention to it, premade decks aren't a complete waste of time but I'd say its not worth the effort. Started reading and then I made my own deck of 3.5k cards up till now.

>>21599033
Can you give a reason why reading for hours straight vs in intervals is more advantageous assuming that the total cumulative reading time per day is the same? I'm not sure I follow how this varies between the two:
>the faster you run into new words and seeing those words repeated in text the faster youll progress
>>21599034
It doesn't of course, but there are people who are highly competent in fields they don't enjoy doing. Most people on this planet don't like their job and a lot of them are still good at it.

>>21599069
right u get competent from bein around the shit day in and day out

btfo lol