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japs

>>22059423
good shit. screw the assholes who use offense to exert control over you.

wow i didn't know the word jap had a negative connotation and wasn't pc until just now

JMnedict is trash. Shall I purge all the other free dictionaries outside of JMdict too out of yomichan or do they have some use? Also how can I make yomichan mark the exact kanji I want to mark instead of the auto selecting it does all the time?

>>22059430
esl?

god i wish that were me

what are some insults/names for koreans in japanese

>>22059435
ye

>>22059431
>JMnedict is trash
not really

>>22059438
chan

>Work in a travel agency
>"Anon knows how to talk Japanese tell them to call him in 10 minutes" from the distance
>"anon,this is a huge client, explain to him his week in NYC in Japanese "
>Cannot remember the days of the week for shit
>Open YouTube
https://youtu.be/qnhdSl0jYSk

>>22059438
something with 在 or 内 don't remember it correctly but it was a word that meant: koreans living in japan

put the kagi in and open the tobira

>>22059448
zainichi

>>22059449
i see a red bird

>>22059446
half of them are the same as in english desu

satur(n)day
sunday
moonday

>>22059430
the vast majority (including native english speakers) don't realize that. it's a situation where a very tiny minority of powerful people claimed it was offensive and have slowly willed it into being. eventually the lie disseminates through the pseudo privileged classes (the kind of people who browse reddit) and that reinforces the supposed offensive nature of it. but was it actually offensive to someone at some point before? not really. jamal is basically just a snobby signalling elitist forcing you to bend the knee when he tells you not to use a term.

>>22059442
Japanese names are not even worth looking up desu.

>>22059460
lol yea its definitely being willed into being by 'a minority of people'

>>22059446
should have done ur genki
>>22059449
her obi looks like wasi

>>22059478
lmao

>>22059478
this is a great illustration of it actually. if instead of "jap" it said "japanese" would we be having this conversation? the offensive nature of it is completely fabricated.

>>22059488
the point is they used "jap" because it is a slur. using 'japanese' would be too humanising in this instance

>>22059488
>if instead of "jap" it said "japanese" would we be having this conversation?
that doesnt even rhyme

>>22059489
>because it is a slur
no because it was more pithy and the usage of jap in that context was then painted as being offensive when, not really. no one cares.

damn, guess "Jude" is a slur huh

>this is a great illustration of it actually. if instead of "nigger" it said "african american" would we be having this conversation? the offensive nature of it is completely fabricated.

おはようおにいちゃん

あたらしふくほしい

Let's keep it on topic guys
頑張りましょう！

>>22059494
words become offensive because of the associations they gain from their usage. 'jap' was primarily the word used to denigrate and dehumanise the japanese people in US propaganda, therefore it becomes a defacto slur. this is how language works and you're obviously just being an obtuse ideologue to argue otherwise

>>22059498
>dis niggerhead am de crack shot! yah! yah! yah!
I think im learning japanese I really think so

damn, guess "incel" is a slur huh

>>22059502
wow what a cutie. just imagine holding her hand

deleting my post because i don't like what it lead to itt

>>22059505
do you know what a slur is? of course it's a slur. whether or not anyone cares is a different story. people care about 'jap' because it's racist, which people care about. they don't care about incels

>>22059498
it wasn't made a slur because it was on posters. it was a slur that was used on posters.
>>22059503
>therefore it becomes a defacto slur
it doesn't because people just use it as a shorthand for "japanese". words become less offensive because of the associations they gain from their usage.

>>22059509
nobody stands up for the incels

>>22059508
warosu will never 忘れろ

>>22059509
>which people [pretend to] care about [for status signalling]

>>22059509 (Jap)

Looking up things you've seen is more useful than trying to understand things you haven't.
Going from immersion to grammar is better than going from grammar to immersion.
Isolated studying builds up subconscious false expectations, and is harder than just seeing the real thing.

>>22059506
better disinfect it first

Anyone remember this classic image?

>>22059512
>it wasn't made a slur because it was on posters. it was a slur that was used on posters.
and you think that during WW2 people didn't use the word 'jap' derogatorily in real life as well, much like nigger?
>it doesn't because people just use it as a shorthand for "japanese".
people either use it in a derogatory way (like in this thread) or because they're ignorant of the history of the word. that doesn't change the fact it's a slur.

>>22059509
sorry for being racist towards the japanese race(?)

>>22059533
it's racist because people don't typically give a fuck who is chinese/korean/japanese and will use any combination of any slur to attack them including "japs", "chinks", "gooks". people who use these terms don't actually care about differentiation between national groups

>>22059536
Cool it kim

>>22059532
>and you think that during WW2 people didn't use the word 'jap' derogatorily in real life as well
probably, but most people aren't aware of that context.
>people either use it in a derogatory way
i say it all the time here but don't mean it in a derogatory way. i'm not going to type quadruple the necessary characters just to refer to japanese people.
>that doesn't change the fact it's a slur.
of course it does. the meaning of a word changes depending on how it's used.

>>22059528
sorry i joined the jay pee mid 2016

>>22059536
that's on them for being stupid, don't tell me not to use jap when talking about japs though, there's nothing wrong with it.

>>22059542
>of course it does. the meaning of a word changes depending on how it's used.
words that are once used as slurs don't typically become unoffensive again after that, except when used by the group themselves like nigga, but even then it's still a slur if a white person says it.

>>22059542
>i'm not going to type quadruple the necessary characters just to refer to japanese people.
says someone who punctuates

i just hope all these people who regularly use offensive terms get owned irl when they inevitably say it to someone who it actually applies to and isn't going to debate with them whether it's fine or not

>>22059548
>don't typically become unoffensive again
i think jap has by most people.
>if a white person says it.
yea language restriction is used as a way to subjugate the outgroup.

>>22059551
>implying japs (outside japanese-americans) even know or care that the word jap is a slur

>>22059552
>i think jap has by most people.
you have absolutely no basis for suggesting this tho lol. all evidents points to it being considered a slur, and you have to come up with some weird conspiracy theory explanation about "elites" to explain why it is considered one

>>22059551
what a fuckign larper lmao

>>22059526
i mean it's for everyones benefit if you keep your hands washed

>>22059558
didn't say anything about japanese people

>>22059559
>you have absolutely no basis for suggesting this tho
it's always just been my observation. most people don't seem to know it's offensive. there's nothing conspiratorial about privileged classes influencing the beliefs of others.

As for Japs, didn't say anything

>>22059567
well at least you admit it's offensive

>>22059551
see? it's about power and control. anyone using language you don't like must be beaten or killed. disgusting and barbaric.

>>22059567
>most people don't seem to know it's offensive.
mostly esls

>>22059570
i was saying it tongue in cheek since whether or not something is offensive is based off whether people know and recognize it as such.
>>22059576
no i didn't realize elites called it offensive until my early 20s when some lefty reddit types told me it was.

>finally decided it was time to suffer and to at least try and learn to phonetically read a lot of the runes that would pop up in the digital space so I can at least pretend it's more efficient for machine translating than waiting on OCR(or at least that's the lie I'm telling myself right now)
>started working on learning hiragana with itazuraneko
>realized almost immediately that with small rune sets that I was starting to create memory cheats that just wouldn't hold once I started adding more and more runes
>said fuck that noise, made actual flash cards, started working in additional sets of runes by short introduction of just overviewing, doing light rune to phonetic association(rune presented, phoinetic answered) within the set and then a bit heavier doing phonetic to rune association(phonetic presented, rune written replied)
>after that would throw the new rune introductions into the rest of the established stack and would drill multiple times heavily on phonetic to rune association with occasional rune to phonetic runs
>tfw actually working really well, much more effective than just running through them on the site(even though yes I know you can do the "write kana" exercises on it, too)
>tfw also realizing that despite that it's working really well, there's also random fonts that completely fuck up the visual representation of a number of strokes in runes which is going to be a bitch to get used to

Kind of really wish I started with the flash cards. I've noticed most of the runes I'm slower to remember are from the first few sets that I had developed off of learning on the website only while the later sets that I introduced purely through flash cards were super fast to pick up and held steady even after introduction into the larger group. I mean sure, something something it's just fresher information in the mind or whatever, but just about everything improved when I moved from primarily trying to regurgitate phonetic to a presented rune to forcing myself to write out a rune to a presented phonetic. Not to mention it's a lot more convenient and easy to drive motivation to flip through actual flash cards in hand when I'm not doing anything in particular than it is to drill through a text field on a website.
But oh well. Progress is progress, I guess.

it's not elites who think it's offensive tho, if you ask any japanese-american (whose opinion actually matters whether it's offensive or not because they're english speaking japanese) then they'll 100% say yes. you can't then decide it's not offensive because white ignorants dont think so even though they'd never have the potential to be offended by it anyway

>>22059583
ur learning hiragana so u dont need ocr to google translate ?
i have to tell u this isnt very based at all

>>22059590
shut the fuck up and take it to /pol/

djt doesn't even know i'm from /hgg2d/

What the きた mean after the te form in here 生きてきた ?

>>22059652
he came raw

>>22059652
came

>>22059663
>>22059666
God I thought it was a reference to fist of the north star. Thanks. Dictionaries not having past conjugations really fucks me up.

>>22059671
the fuck?

dang im impressed u guys are fightin the racial slur battle entirely without me

this is beautiful stuff

生きて北 lmao

>>22059676
Yeah I see now that jisho has it but yomichan often can't handle those simple common conjugations.

>2019
>not living north

>>22059652
>ワガママに生きてきた
lived selfishly up to now

>>22059684
try scrolling down maybe?

>>22059512
>it wasn't made a slur because it was on posters. it was a slur that was used on posters.
Wrong. The term "Jap" already existed before WWII and was never in any way offensive back then.

theres only like one or two conjugations yomi cant do i forget what they are but wareya can tell u all about it

imagining a time when "jap" was no more offensive than "yank" lol

>>22059700
The sentence was so confusing that I thought it may be a reference or a grammatical suffix and gave up on figuring it out.

>>22059715
wasn't talking about jap

*starts referring to my asshole as a "yank's eye"*

sodan shitai

test N3 this dec taking

78 days lef

barely passed N5 and N4
(cramming last 2week study test before)

my pass what are chances

NEET time full

want dive jap society asap N2 sotsugyo no ato de

dou des ka

>>22059725
Who's yank? I thought it was a verb.

>Jap-Fest is an annual Japanese car show in Ireland.[13] In 1970, the Japanese fashion designer Kenzo Takada opened the "Jungle Jap" boutique in Paris.[14]
>In Singapore[15] and Hong Kong,[16] the term is used freely as a contraction of the adjective "Japanese" rather than as a derogatory term. The Australian news service Asia Pulse has also used the term.[17]
What do you know, words can be offensive or inoffensive depending on the context of their use.

Turns out language isn't black-and-white after all and some fat Americans using a term in an offensive way 75 years ago doesn't mean the word is in all cases offensive today.

what should i read after leyline?

>>22059774
sayas fuckin uta

>>22059774
any key shit that's not rewrite unless you want to kill your brain

>>22059758
>doing every level of this test
For what purpose? If you want a document that confirms that you know japanese just do it for the N1 once and that's it.

>>22059774
something more engaging

>>22059796
hows he gonna know hes makin progress if hes not payin to find out ?

>>22059769
you're thinking of a different word that shares the same pronunciation

>>22059774
after 8 months of that shit it's time you just stop and move on to another hobby man.

>>22059807
8 months of ruining ur life isnt far gone enough that u cant save ur nihongo career

Progress, lads.

I'm glad nukechan didn't donate to adl

Looking up things you've seen is more useful than trying to understand things you haven't.
Going from immersion to grammar is better than going from grammar to immersion.
Isolated studying builds up subconscious false expectations, and is harder than just seeing the real thing.

is his name kageyama because the ???% is like a mountainous shadow within him

hold up let me write a quote for bengary
study is workin a whetstone but u have to find ur sword urself

>>22059807
i'm not that man, dude. i haven't started reading leyline yet, i just finished nanatsuiro drops (100%) and plan to start that

>>22059870
uve suffered long enough why dont u skip to somethin good

mike shadowmountain lmao

>>22059875
like what

>>22059888
i mean its up to what ur heart desires but >>22059781

I wish I could just read LN but VN is a better transfer from anime to LN even though VNs are pretty garbage.

>>22059901
what if u just do what u want instead of what u dont want and stop bein a little baby about it

>>22059914
I'm not retarded so I don't listen to what I want and do things in a logical order that benefit me.

>>22059921
hopeless imbecile

>>22059921
ur post doesnt make any sense
u cant learn nihongo doing shit that doesnt engage u

>>22059933
Reading speed and comprehension are the most engaging factors.

>>22059921
what if i told you that if you started doing what you want you can spend far more time on nippongo than you expected making meaning more gains than you expected

Today after many years of not trying I finally begin. Can I get a 頑張って?

>>22059945
tell us how you got to this point

>>22059938
no the fuckin story is wtf did u do to urself

>>22059944
Only because VNs are objectively garbage doesn't mean that I don't have fun reading them.

what were your goals before you started learning japanese
what are they now

what do we do about the uppercase poster problem

>>22059973
before: watch anime
now: read more vns and manga

>>22059973
Being able to read untranslated material was and is still my goal. No need to wait for translations, not being cucked out of material. One could say that now I want to learn because I just want to read the original text with all the original intentions but untranslated material is definitely the number one reason still.

そんなのは
女ったらしの大人の言いぐさだ

What does 女ったらし mean?

>>22059997
女垂らし

>>22060023
The translation says "something like that could only have been written by a woman" but I actually think you may be right. After all ったらし needs to add something and in the translation is nothing. Damn, now I can't trust the translation at all, I may be fucked.

>>22059979
pretty much the same now, even though it used to be the other one too before i started learning japanese

>>22060048
the translation is wrong

>>22060057
Yes it is. Womanizer fits perfectly to the entire context.

No bully if this is a dumb question, but how come these look different? Right is Wikipedia, left is the audio chart.

>>22060066
how come handwritten and printed 'a' look different

>>22060066
It has three strokes and you're free to attach the last stroke to the rest or just put it there separately. It's entirely about taste and style and has no special meaning. I don't know this for a fact but the left one may be used to make it more distinct from ち.

>>22060066
It's kinda like the difference between I that looks just like a vertical line and I that's got two sticks at the top and at the bottom, a merely aesthetic difference.
If you use either one with the right stroke order/angles, nobody will be able to confuse them with any other characters.

>>22060092
>you're free to attach the last stroke
please dont

>>22060086
I use both handwritten and printed "a" whenever I write stuff down.

so shi no

>>22060102
disgusting

>>22059973
originally i start because of this 4 coma manga that wasn't being translated frequently (i later found out that the translator gave up on it)
when i went to read it i found out that i really disliked the font of that manga but at that point i found out that i liked learning nip so i still win in the end

>>22060108
>when i went to read it i found out that i really disliked the font
ur in the right place good to have u

>>22060100
All I can see when I try to write it like that is X)

>>22060121

only saw 3 new words in 20k of my vn today. think the grind is over

>>22059973
before: read japanese
now: do everything possible to decrease 不応期 and increase time spent japping

>>22060170
>japping
whats the verdict on this portmanteau is it ng ?

>>22060170
How does one decrease their 不応期?

So let me see if I understand this correctly. Hiragana and Katakana are more like an alphabet where as Kanji is basically words as symbols? That and the reason that you can't use just Hiragana the way English uses letters to make words is because you wouldn't be able to tell where one word ends and another begins? If that's the case what is Hiragana for exactly? Is it like conjunctions and shit?

>>22060215
hiragana is the best

lol look at this guy trying to make japanese make sense

>>22060215
why don’t you learn Japanese and find out

I recently noticed that it's somewhat hard for me to understand certain stuff in Spanish (my native language). Maybe I'm not as good at it as I thought I was.

>>22060234
based retard

>>22060234

>>22060232
I just started looking at Hirgana, I was just curious. I assume it will explain in the grammar guides.

>>22060248
why do you think anyone cares about your theorizing 10 minutes after starting to learn in this great undertaking that is learning a language that it takes years to achieve something in

>>22060178
thats not a portmanteau it's a verbification

>>22060156
how many hours of study per day for how many days did it take you to reach this point?

>>22060252
I was just asking a question because I just wanted a brief explanation to satisfy my curiosity.

>>22060215
>きかん
the non meme answer is a combination of too many homonyms, japanese being very contextual (only a verb is needed to have a grammatically complete sentence), tradition, and kanji never being a problem in the first place (japan always had a high literacy rate both historical and in modern times)
i probably wasted my time responding to bait but typing this up was fun for me anyways

>>22060252
zip ur pants back up no one wants to see that
>>22060255
japanese + fapping innit

>>22060248
Read up the Wikipedia page on the Japanese writing system. It's not necessary to memorize anything out of it, but it'll probably clear up your doubts on this matter.

>>22057991
lol "illegal drugs" weed is only illegal because the governments around the world are hypocritical and ignorant of research. its so much safer than alcohol (if you use number of deaths from overdose it's over 1,000,000x safer... since its virtually impossible to die from weed overdose) which is openly consumed almost everywhere legally but i know you don't say shit to all the alcoholics in this thread. つまり, hush ignoramus

>>22060268
nobody in this thread drinks alcohol we're not degenerates

no one in this thread could drink alcohol after seein what it did to that one dude

>>22060264
>i probably wasted my time responding to bait but typing this up was fun for me anyways
Please stop being rude I'm just retarded.

>>22060268
that doesn't make weed good that makes alcohol bad as well

>>22060273
>that one dude
who?

>>22060257
like 7 years although most of those were spent without regularly getting japanese input because i was a follower of the nukemarine method

>>22060280
>dad

>>22060280
https://streamable.com/e/x545u

>>22060288
this nigga an n1? what kind of shitty method did he use to get that accent?

Should I bother with stroke order and writing if I can barely write English legibly?

>>22060312
if you don't want to write then don't

>>22060312
stroke order will help you decipher poorly written hiragana & kanji you might see in manga or youtube videos.

>>22060288
wearing a beanie indoors while looking like you're dying from heroin withdrawal is a hell of an aesthetic desu

>>22060311
married in japan but was tryin to join the ajatt club so prob not n1
made daily update videos for a month then privated all his videos
stopped talking to groan in agony for 30 seconds in two separate videos
thats the full story

>>22060335
is he kill?

>>22059515
incels are one group i do feel bad for because i get the feeling that most actual incels are not the vindictive/rapey kind that some small, vocal portion (like moetard and other 4channers) are. perhaps the silent majority of them are simply guys who haven't been successful in getting laid, but are still decent, respectful people.

It's a fucking nightmare listening to people talk about time (like 15:35) or big numbers (¥5788588)
Any suggestion!? My mind just goes blank

>>22060342
damn so you can understand everything else you hear? amazing

>>22060342
no joke read more

>>22060215
Hiragana is mostly particles/basic words that are easy to distinguish, kanji is just regular old words with easy mode etymology. It's kind of like how you can see English words like phosphorus/photograph/phantasmagoria and figure that "oh, this pho/pha root seems to have to do with light/fire", or look at incubate/succubus/cubicle and think "oh, they all have to do with sitting on eggs/dicks/chairs". Except you have one symbol to cover all the light/sitting derived words instead, so it's very convenient. Kanji may have different readings depending on the word, which makes sense because English also has words like "phosphorus" and "Lucifer" that are written different even though both mean something like light-having.

They're used in combination so that you can easily tell where words start and end without spaces in between, and there's kind of a "kanji = primary concepts/objects + hiragana = where these things stand in relation to each other" feel. Full-hiragana text exists for children's games etc. but is a pain in the ass to read, there's also furigana which is kanji with training wheels attached (each kanji gets little superscript text that tells you how it's supposed to be read).

Disclaimer: My Japanese is utter shit so this is probably all nonsense.

>>22060342
don’t worry about it
simply try to correctly process it once, if you don’t catch it the first time scroll back and listen again until you do
the key is not ignoring the numbers but simply trying to comprehend them when they come up and as you 場数を踏む it will eventually just turn completely understandable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB6Ch_VAfIk
absolute banger

>>22060345
Just listening to JLPT n5 listening practice about two guys discussing their calendars
I hear わたしは ???じにやすみます。
I understand the context, not the times in particular.

>>22059523
>Looking up things you've seen is more useful than trying to understand things you haven't.
>Isolated studying builds up subconscious false expectations, and is harder than just seeing the real thing.
agreed. that's why i don't bother studying anything i haven't actually seen used, and on multiple occasions. this also means that for people who prioritize simply comprehending their preferred input (as opposed to "collecting all the words"), there will be words they just don't often see in their sphere of entertainment even if they're considered common by other people. look how drastically word frequency differs between the newspaper freq calculator vs the VN/LN calculator for example

>>22060340
if u ask me the vocal part is in the definition

>>22060385
agreed. ill probably never get a gf but i dont consider myself an incel cause i dont blame anyone for it except myself

>>22059973
before learning: banging hot nips
now: banging hot nips

>>22060362
absolute banger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDOc2X6Gr4o

japping
- to fap for the benefit of increasing ones nihongo nouryoku

>>22060401
thanks i been looking for something like this, it’s been awhile since you guys posted bangers

>>22060405
woah dude that's raciss

>>22060215
>That and the reason that you can't use just Hiragana the way English uses letters to make words is because you wouldn't be able to tell where one word ends and another begins?
you could, it's just really annoying and kanji makes it easier
as a very rough rule of thumb, kanji are used for nouns and stems of verbs and adjectives, while hiragana are used to put verbs and adjectives into different tenses, and as particles that signify subject, object, location, etc
you *could* write everything in hiragana or katakana if you wanted to, it just makes for a very unpleasant reading experience

if u have wpple music you can listen to a 3 hours piano chill playlist that gets updated weekly it’s good for focus while reading novel / manga

>>22059973
>what were your goals before you started learning japanese
1. be able to easily read most manga (high comprehension, few lookups)
2. be able to easily read LNs and cute 小説
be able to play my favorite JRPGs in japanese
3. be able to watch anime raw
4. be able to have stimulating and expressive convos with natives

>what are they now
pretty much all the same. goal 1 is complete. goal 2 is virtually complete just need a few thousand more vocab to smooth the process which i'm gradually stacking up at a steady pace that's working well so far with my new card style. goal 4 is complete.

goal 3 i kinda set aside bc i realized it wasn't worth it for me to force. i've still watched some things raw (really easy things like のんのんびより and 三ツ星カラーズ -- and even then toggling the subs on when i miss stuff）, some j-subbed（stuff like このすば and whatever's available on daiweeb thats not super easy for me), and some eng subbed (everything else) depending on what i feel like; and i think i'll continue doing that.

>>22060457
i see you gave up namefagging cuz you got btfo

>>22060457
claiming you can have conversations with natives but can't understand anything but simple anime raw means you're delusional or they're treating you like a little child (although even kids can watch anime raw lol so maybe a retarded child). anime is much easier to understand than actual native convos because they enunciate much more and the context of what they're saying is always extremely clear compared to a convo with multiple people where anyone can say whatever they want out of nowhere

>>22060340
just cuz i hate women ?

>>22060484
thats why we call em mousou girl

>>22060472
what? i turn on my name on and off all the time on here lol i just don't always make it obvious it's me. and in my view i didn't get "btfo" lol just targetted by a flaming narcissist who over-exaggerated my inabilities to promote his animecards.
>>22060484
oh, i didn't know daily life conversations included discussing demon slayers and robot killing machines lmao. you sound so silly

>>22060484
lol you are dumb, conversations with natives is super easy

>>22060486
cringe

>>22060505
>oh, i didn't know daily life conversations included discussing demon slayers and robot killing machines lmao. you sound so silly
they do if you want to talk about anime that involves that stuff. guess you can't talk about one of your hobbies with natives ?

>>19216915
is the first and only good banger posted itt since 2017

>>22060484
>anime is much easier to understand than actual native convos because they enunciate much more and the context of what they're saying is always extremely clear compared to a convo with multiple people where anyone can say whatever they want out of nowhere
not mediation tranny but you're wrong
i'm an idolfag, i did hundreds of hours of listening to their shows and got to a point where i could easily understand 95% of what people discussed in any given talk, variety or radio show
then i watched anime for the first time and i couldn't understand shit
took me about 300 episodes to get my anime listening up to speed and now i can watch anime very comfortably, just like irl shows

mesu girl sounds like one of those people who claims to love talking to people even if they've got nothing interesting to talk about, and will just mention stupid shit they found on instagram or the huffington post that day.

well that's the type of shit girls and most normies talk about

>>22060505
>i didn't know daily life conversations included discussing demon slayers and robot killing machines
is this supposed to explain whats hard about anime

>>22060506
you probably just talk about the weather and shit and think it's easy to understand. all of a sudden theres 3-4 people in this thread saying they can understand native speech when the reality is you're probably deluded dekinai

>>22060505
>oh, i didn't know daily life conversations included discussing demon slayers and robot killing machines lmao.
you can't even watch ドラマ without subs either though if you can't watch anime, wheres the robots and shit there?

dont see the need to feed women's undeserved hubris by giving them any attention

qm, what music do you listen to?

>>22060542
yeah i had 1 on 1 conversations that lasted hours before i was ever good enough to pass n3 and the only thing we talked about was weather lol

ur the biggest dekinai in this thread if u think conversations are a high level task

only people who don't actually talk to japanese people think that typical conversations with natives have anything to do with the topics that pervade most anime

>>22060512
my friends in japan are normies lmao our conversations consist of gossip (i just listen i don't participate), cultural differences, my experiences in america, food/restaurants, boys/romance/sex talk, relationships with our families, spots to visit in japan, etc

none of that has anything to do with swords, warlords and magic lol
on the rare occassions i do discuss a manga or anime i'm watching, a very brief description is enough because they're just not really into that stuff

bro i'm sorry to tell you, but you just don't know japanese

my phone (set to nihongo) has an app tracking my mood over the month.
if im upset it tells me

>>22060569
>my friends in japan are normies lmao our conversations consist of gossip (i just listen i don't participate), cultural differences, my experiences in america, food/restaurants, boys/romance/sex talk, relationships with our families, spots to visit in japan, etc
none of that zeitgeisty, degenerate shit requires anything beyond n4 level vocabulary.

>>22060573
cringey

>>22060580
not really

>>22060565
>yeah i had 1 on 1 conversations that lasted hours before i was ever good enough to pass n3 and the only thing we talked about was weather lol
lol so you were being treated like a baby by your partner then like musou girl. if you cant understand anime speech then your listening skills are simply not good enough to follow a native to native level conversation. im not talking about your dumbed down n4 japanese

wishing mousou girl was my 奴隷化

>>22060555
>you can't even watch ドラマ without subs either
good thing i've never been even remotely interested in j-dramas lol

>>22060588
haha nice projection

>>22060573
it's impossible for a program to evaluate emotional states or anything else that's strictly subjective

thinking the hard part about watching raw anime is not knowing random 'demon slaying' vocab is retarded. most people in this thread, including musou girl, couldn't even transcribe the words being said in hiragana correctly. meaning, you simply can't even hear native speed speech properly. and actual natives don't enunciate as clearly as voice actors

>>22060580
>>22060583

cringe

>>22060569
lacking vocabulary relating to swords warlords and magic makes u need to check the subs in non non biyori and mitubosi colors
wakatta

>>22060601
the world is deterministic so it's def possibly we just lack the tech

>>22060599
this isn't projection. it's based on a much higher level knowledge of japanese than you. you say you couldn't pass n3? how can you possibly be good enough to understand a native's speech when it's filled with grammar and vocab you claim you didn't even know.

>>22060588
>if you can't perfectly comprehend dialogue about fighting mystical demons from the underworld, then you can't understand japanese people talking about normal shit
uhhh ok lmao you're obviously deluded so i'm just gonna leave you to your fantasy world

oh no

>>22060613
why do you talk like a huge fag

>>22060590
something tells me this isn't the right way to say what you had in mind

>>22060613
im not saying you're not able to understand your dumb girls convos when the japs are speaking directly at you, because they probably try to make it so you can understand.

>>22060614
because it’s casual conversation and i could talk about anything i want using my tools and if i don’t understand something i can ask them and they can easily explain. i don’t know why you are still responding lol you’ve already been outed as the biggest dekinai in the thread that can’t do a simple talk in japanese because you’ve been absorbed by djt memes

>>22060610
>humans have access to noumena

どうも

こんにちは

マットです

まぁ

>>22060629
you obviously can't even comprehend what im saying in english so it's unlikely you can understand what native japanese people talk about in a language you're garbage at. noones saying you can't use your baby japanese to talk to natives, but they aren't using native level speech when they talk to you and you wouldn't understand them if they did. if you think im a dekinai you can join the quiz ;)

>>22060268
Sorry but your "perfectly safe" weed is proven to cause mental illness.

>>22060602
this is true

>>22060646
lol in a conversation about speaking and listening ability you want to do a kanji quiz it pretty much confirms everything i assumed about you

>>22060560
I mostly just listen to what comes up in my Youtube playlist which is random Touhou shit there is some western bands and Japanese singers that also caught my attention but nothing spectacular I’m kind of unknowledgeable when it comes to music just listen to what sounds nice and catches my attention

>>22060661
you're welcome to come up with a listening quiz if you want to test that too. im sure my listening is much much better than yours considering i lived in japan and already had n1 (in comparison to your 'not even n1') when you talked to natives

>>22060602
>couldn't even transcribe the words being said in hiragana correctly
transcription used to be most of my listening practice lol i actually learned quite a few words/sentences that way before i discovered j-subs.
yeah it's harder to transcribe when you don't know some of the words but that's... obvious? correctly hearing words is both a top-down and a bottom-up process. you hear words correctly from both the raw sounds coming in, and predictions made from prior experience. if you haven't heard a word spoken often before there's no guarantee you'll be able to transcribe it correctly. that being said i'm still able to more often than not, so once again you're wrong about everything :)
>>22060605
yeah? sometimes there are japanese cultural references or idioms i've never heard, some plant names i don't know, etc. what's the big deal?

>>22060646
memorizing a set of unicode characters like a true savant and conversing with a human beaing are two different things

>>22060682
sorry 'not even n3' lol

>>22060687
luckily ive done plenty of both so i know what im talking about unlike you

k on rocks

actually you’re the one that can’t udnerstand an english conversation no one even said anything about understand native conversation 100% but you had to find a way to sperg out when the term used was “have expressive and stimulating conversations”

>>22060698
K-On!'s plot and characters are very nice, significantly over average as far as Kirara manga adaptations go, but its music is far from "rocking".

>>22060705
i was referring to musou girls previous claims not the one she just made

>>22060698
yeah
>>22060712
lol i never laughed so hard at a post
https://youtu.be/oXqjw_J8kGc

>>22060668
igaini a 0815 reply

why do modern vn add a １００％にする button?

are there any anime with GREAT bangin soundtracks besides Cowboy Bebop and Ergo Proxy?

>>22060747
nope

>>22060747
naruto

>>22060747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-B1iyIhtg

>>22060747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWc638q3AZk

>>22060757
>Yuki Kajiura
The only mildly good soundtrack that woman ever composed was the Madoka OST.

I have an audition/interview coming up to play a character at Universal Studios Japan. The role is for a native English speaker, and speaking Japanese was "a big plus, but not required." I actually don't know how the audition/interview will be conducted, whether or not there'll be a rep from Universal Japan there for the process, but I wanted to try to do the intro/outro bilingually, if possible.

I know very little Japanese, and can introduce myself just fine, but I don't know what to say on the way out. "Sayounara" is what you get taught is "goodbye" in Japanese, but apparently native speakers never use it, because "sayounara" implies a permanent goodbye. What's a good thing to say in Japanese on the way out of an interview? I think "mata ne" is too informal, as is "bai bai." I would want to say the equivalent of "Thank you for your time, goodbye."

>>22060772
lol i know someone auditioning for the harry potter role

>>22060772
さらば！

>>22060771
wtf i was about to post this one

>>22060747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KfL9DRXHYk

>>22060772
私は
あくまでも
ゲイです
ありがとうございました

word of the day: 番長

>>22060747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruwbNpJKmgk

>>22060578
>none of that zeitgeisty, degenerate shit requires anything beyond n4 level vocabulary.
流行、豪華、輸入、友人、秘密 、緊張、相談、親しい、貯金 are N3
講師、大学院、冷凍、躊躇う、宴会 are N2
恋愛、距離（関係）、旦那、 嫉妬、進路、偏見、妊娠 、拘る are N1
and the list goes on. all words i've heard and used tons of times in conversation. once again you're wrong about everything lmao

>>22060747
initial D obviously

People thinking you can function in Japanese without knowing N1 are a fucking joke
isn't N1 like a B2 on the CEFR scale? It really means close to nothing.

>>22060802
>恋愛、距離（関係）、旦那、 嫉妬、進路、偏見、妊娠 、拘る are N1
lmfao

>>22060802
start fapping to nukige or get out 瞑想

>>22060802
>旦那 is N1
Hope on Nips: lost

>>22060772
こんな私に… 面接させて頂いて、本当にありがとうございました！いつかまた逢うと信じてます、心の底から！

>>22060828
i like this one

>>22060772
今日からよろしくお願いします

>>22060813
N1 is closer to C1/C2.

>>22060813
>without knowing N1
wtf does this even mean? not being able to read a kanji in a quiz does not mean you can't use or recognize words when you hear them. since it's possible to speak completely fluenty without knowing any kanji at all or only knowing the first 500 or so (japanese children) your claim here is nonsensical

>>22060843
Isn't that what you say to your future in-laws when you're a woman about to get married?

>imagine a failson from a failed family coming into this thread having never spoken a word of japanese in his life telling other ppl they suck at japanese ahahahaHAah

>>22060855
穿ち過ぎ

>>22060848
how are there people who believe this shit lmao

>>22060850
if you can read the kanji you can read them in the quiz it's that simple
if you can't read the kanji you can't understand texts for native Japanese speakers
to what degree speaking is possible is hard to judge, Japanese children are not something to aim for because they are not talking at adult level and not talking about the things that adults talk about

>>22060861
aren’t you the one more like a child since you can’t speak japanese

>>22060861
>>22060813
you're clearly talking out of your ass here, have no idea what n1 entails and have never spoken to a japanese person
i'm not saying it's very hard by the way, i'm just saying you can easily function in casual japanese conversation without it

i'd advice all the newcomers here to never ever read a post with more than 20 words itt

>>22060885
solid advise

someone post that matsuoka shuzo lingualift give up pic

>>22060820
i know isn't it hilarious when people like >>22060578 try to talk shit and fail miserably hahah
>>22060861
>if you can read the kanji you can read them in the quiz it's that simple
thanks captain obvious. wtf does that have to do with anything i've said so far?
>if you can't read the kanji you can't understand texts for native Japanese speakers
you're leaving out the obvious possibility that not every native text contains ALL of the words or kanji in N1... and that many native texts contain hundreds to thousands of words that aren't even in the JLPT at all
>Japanese children are not something to aim for
japanese children are fluent in their native tongue and can without a doubt speak better than you can and express themselves in japanese better than you can. knowing kanji =/= knowing japanese. get that through your stubborn, narcissistic skull. baka you're just like your father

>>22060747
https://youtu.be/4O0M7vjuEbk
https://youtu.be/LtY_RXoF1wA
https://youtu.be/62qWI7CpIds
https://youtu.be/rm5yKO8VDwQ

>>22060904
>japanese children are fluent in their native tongue
Incorrect

>>22060913
great post I love it

>>22060876
I understand more Japanese than any child and could reach speaking proficiency extremely quickly if I was thrown into Japan

>>22060882
What comes up in N1 is things any Japanese speaker knows. You can't function in an all Japanese environment unless you are at least at that level unless everyone is dumbing it down for you restricting themselves to talking about shit you can understand.

>>22060904
>not every native text contains ALL of the words or kanji in N1
Not every context contains all words? Lol what are you even trying to achieve by saying something this dumb. Of course not every context contains all words but a good amount of texts will contain all N1 words.
>many native texts contain hundreds to thousands of words that aren't even in the JLPT at all
Exactly. N1 is the minimum to be able to satisfactorily begin to understand anything but you have to aim for beyond that.
>japanese children are fluent in their native tongue
Incorrect.
>knowing kanji =/= knowing japanese
Not knowing kanji means you don't know Japanese.

>>22060885
damn this post follows your rule

>>22060945
>I understand more Japanese than any child
LMAO

>>22060945
your hubris is incredible
i wish i could speak with this much confidence about something i have no clue about

meisou girl regularly gets btfo by her 5 year old students when they say some shit she cant understand and it turns out they just said like "i just farded and shidded in my pants"

imagining qm getting owned by a little boy

>>22060945
>I understand more Japanese than any child
they can watch anime without subtitles though lol

>>22060995
not according to meiso girl

>>22060979
its a talent u have to be born with

if boomers picked up learning nihongo thru vns, would it still be cool?

>>22060945
>Not knowing kanji means you don't know Japanese.
So illiterate people know 0 languages? I wonder how on Earth people used to communicate before the modern education system existed...

>>22061030
>if something could validly apply four thousand years ago in social/cultural settings completely different from ours, it means it must hold true at all times

The losers in this thread are laughable.
You think a 5 year old shitter is better than what you'll ever be. It is literally beyond your imagination that a learner can understand more than child because you have absolutely no conception of what Japanese people actually understand. And all the talk about not needing to be AT LEAST N1 level to comfortably do anything in Japanese. Truly pathetic.

>>22060897
sorry but am esl

>>22060945
>Lol what are you even trying to achieve by saying something this dumb.
stop playing dumb. i'm obviously trying to say that statements like this:
>N1 is the minimum to be able to satisfactorily begin to understand anything
are bullshit.
not every single N1 word is required to understand native material and many people's own experience of reading native material has shown that. there is a varied mixture of words in every context. it's very possible to not see all or even most of the "N1 selected vocabulary/kanji" despite reading multiple things of personal interest (and seeing lots of words that are NOT even in the jlpt at all). why would 捕吏 or 融資 (N1) be in a 恋愛漫画？ please try to be more rational

>What comes up in N1 is things any Japanese speaker knows.
just because they know it doesn't mean it comes up in every sentence, in fact the stuff they ask about grammar in n1 is rarely used in casual conversation because it's mostly literary shit
if we bring your argument to its logical endpoint you're saying that if you know less than a native speaker they have to boil it down for you so unless you're equal to a native speaker you can't function in japanese
that's fucking stupid

>the verb form has an s but the noun has a c
wtf this language is impossible

>>22061040
>four thousand years ago
You're really fucking grasping at straws now, holy shit.

By the way, there are still illiterate people around today, even in Western countries. Do they know 0 languages, then?

>>22060985
>meisou girl regularly gets btfo by her 5 year old students when they say some shit she cant understand
they're actually even easier to talk to since they say ええとね、それでね、after every 3 words lol.
this reminds me of a time one of my 2nd graders during lunch told me that he was watching the news with his dad and there was a shooting that happened at an american mcdonalds drive through. and i was both relieved to no longer be living in america and kind of horrified that that's the kind of news he's hearing about my home country, and at such a young age :/

>>22061076
If they're at least 5 years old, I'd exepct them to be able to read something.

>>22061096
I see, you're just going to ignore the question.

>>22060945
>Not knowing kanji means you don't know Japanese.
shit, someone better let all those blind japanese people know that they don't know japanese

are you going to tell them or should i?

>>22060395
interesting well if you were a determinist you'd realize everyone is equally to blame as yourself, which is either entirely, or not at all.

>>22061096
Here's my answer to your question:
Anybody who's at least 5 years old should be able to read something. If they can't, they're just a failure at life, and don't even know a language.

>>22059973
>what were your goals before you started learning japanese
to watch my favorite shows one day in their native language and understand them instead of relying on a translation that misses some of the nuance
>what are they now
to watch 6 episodes of anime a day instead of 3

technically written language is just a tool, the actual language itself only exists in the collective minds of a society

>>22061115
meant for>>22061099

>>22061123
>collecitve minds of a society
this sounds like some jungian bullshit

I knew early on that polite speech was a thing, but I'm just figuring out loli speech and what a great thing it is.

It really pays to stick with the nihongo experience.

>>22061073
>the verb form has an s but the noun has a c
what do you mean

>>22061123
>technically written language is just a tool, the actual language itself only exists in the collective minds of a society
i think you're mostly right but i see written language as an extension of the collective minds of society. just like social media is an extension of the collective mind

>>22061132
trying not to fap today

>>22061123
are u saying written as opposed to spoken or are u saying written and spoken as opposed to mentalese
written and spoken are equally important u cant discard one

>watch any of jamal's waifu's twitter vids
starting to think she might be retarded desu

>>22061132
lolibaba is where its at

>>22061183
>written and spoken are equally important u cant discard one
if written didn't exist spoken would still exist so yeah you can

>>22061211
if human history stopped or as a universal rule ? latter is obviously false

what if dopamine is bullshit

what if iq is bullshit

>>22061249
>>22061263
what if the brain does not exist

what if anime be real?

>>22061287
i probably wouldn't masturbate this much

>>22061364
what if we live in one of those shitty dystopian anime like 妄想代理人 where everybody's fucked up and ugly, and there's also anime-within-anime?

>>22061196
shes great

https://streamable.com/wrmz7

>>22061397
ull never find a better clip than that

Learning Japanese is like learning any language. The only reason most people quit Japanese is because of Kanji and because of the grammar.
>Kanji
The Heisig system is proven to be the best one. It takes some time to learn Kanji and the idea to not learn Kanji directly but instead learn stories for a certain English word seems retarded, but in the long run this is the only way to always remember the 2k/3k Kanji.
>grammar
Now this is a bitch. There is a top tier way to learn grammar but it's only good for science. If you aren't studying on a college/university this could be too difficult. There are other approaches like in "casual" textbooks which try to just explain the grammar without going too deep into scientific logic (a language is always a man made tool, so there is no natural logic but a certain pattern still exists). Let's just say you will never be satisfied without learning the scientific analysis of the Japanese grammar, but it's more than enough to learn with normal textbooks.

Now here is the "perfect" way to learn Japanese if you are a robot.
>1. learn all 3k Kanji with Heisig
>2. learn grammar and vocabulary with Anki
>3. see grammar and vocabulary in full texts and practice (write!)
>4. talk in Japanese
>5. repeat 2. 3. and 4. with more challenging stuff

Now here is the HUGE problem. The most important part in learning a new language is motivation.
>1 to 3 months Heisig only
>months for learning grammar and vocabulary
>months for practicing it
>months for speaking
>months to do this all over again
And except for learning with Heisig everything else is not that easy to plan. What is the grammar and vocabulary you should learn first? That's the reason why textbooks are mandatory without help. But even then you need motivation. Also only learning Kanji with Heisig feels like you don't learn Japanese at all. I would say maybe waste a few months if not years to learn Japanese "like in Japan" and then learn Heisig to know that Heisig is the best way.

Sadly, I learned Japanese for 8 years and am fluent in Japanese but it was a tough journey and the beginning was only possible because I studies Japanese. The reason why it's sad is because I don't know how to survive the beginning without help. The textbooks are great, but until you understand anything (more than just senpai or hai) in anime you need years. Especially the particle "wo" is nearly impossible to hear in anime (and even worse it isn't even spoken most of the time), so you will need to learn for year before really understanding anime. The only good thing is that if you keep learning (especially if you learn Kanji with Heisig) you make huge progress after you understand anime. The sad reality is that learning Japanese will take years and it's only worth it if you need Japanese every day. The same with every other language. Only if you are a kid you have the time to waste your time with useless languages, but after you are older you either learn a language which you use (and therefore don't forget) or you waste your time because you forget everything you learn.

>>22061404
>Now here is the "perfect" way to learn Japanese if you are a robot.
>>1. learn all 3k Kanji with Heisig
lmfao

>>22061402
well i havent been tryin

i just post the yukata pic and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaxIvfKcQX0#t=23 and that streamable link

>>22061413
its a waste to try because it cant be done
that clip makes up for everything wrong with her and thats a lot

damn just finished ep 19 of kimetsu no yaiba that was hype as fuck. feel bad for that guy who thinks it's mediocre. he must hate life

Should I study Hiragana until I can picture them without having just looked at the character like I could with an English letter, or is it just good enough to be able to recognize them when I see them to start?

holy shit qm got a shit ton of (you)s lol i wonder if he is saving up for something nice

stop hating your lives anons

>>22061404
Krashen already proved that the only way to acquire a language is through compelling and comprehensible input.
nothing else works. not srs, not mnemonics, not talking to people, not doing sentence building exercises, nothing like that.

>>22061457
i havent read the thread was any of it funny or just the same shit

i only have 25 yous this thread that cant even get u a play at the arcade these days
>>22061464
it was worse than usual

>>22061454
recognizing is more than good enough. the more you see them in words while reading, the better you'll get at recognizing them.

>>22061462
my sentence cards are very comprehensible and a tiny bit compelling

>>22061472
what arcades

>>22061479
i heard japan has arcades is that true

>>22061404
where does anime fit into this plan

would you fuck a 黒ギャル

>>22061484
ofc theres still japanese arcades

>>22061490
id pay for it

>>22061490
i would pay not to

>>22061496
thats cuz u prefer children

most of the gaysen are filled with garbage games now though

>>22061491
good cuz im gonna need em

>>22061472
meisou garu not posting under a name and still getting into arguments was kind of funny imo

>>22061502
they even still play mbaa

>>22061508
and u try to downplay japan

>>22061490
I wouldn't mind getting paid to

>>22061500
he's watching k-on now so moetard is actually upgraded to an ephebophile

>>22061513
and when ur not at the arcade netplay is fuckign good as hell cuz u get basically 10 ping to every1

>>22061522
i cant even read that word

they even got this shit still

dunno why 4chan always rotates my pics smdh

>>22061529
should be used to i+1 sentences by now lol

pedophilia and ephebophilia are both fake things made up by american hags

I know this is the easy part but just grinding the kana and slowly being able to recognize even a few is really motivating me. For once I actually believe I might be able to do it friends.

>>22061522
>>22041125
will he make it

i miss tryin to play with 200 ping

how would you endure in this crazy battle?

What was the thing that you found the most harder/complicated to understand while learning?

>>22061606
easily i'm not into girls and 3d ones are basically on the level of bacteria to me her tactics would have no effect on me

>>22061611
nihongo

>>22061606
imagine the smell

>>22061606
i get it its saying stink tolerance battle cuz her butt is in her face LEeettsss GOoooOoo

>>22061611
keigo
specific animal names
big numbers

>>22061627
well if u didnt know they have the special unit for 10000 called man

>>22061627
https://streamable.com/4b4ts

wait till som1 tells matto the origins of the word manko gonna blow his mind haha

>>22061636
lmoa

>>22061529
pedophile = likes js
hebephile = likes jc
ephebophile = likes jk
gerontophile = likes jd+

>>22061404
i hope this is a reddit post

love this one
https://streamable.com/7d80h

>>22061652
i clipped that

>>22061656
good job

>>22061639
wikipedia says there's like 10 diff theories as to where it comes from

>>22061627
specific dog word

>>22061652
lmao

japanese is tricky dudes theres just a lot of speciifc words for everything

is it worth it to go to a language school in japan
everyone tells me not to but at the same time everybody tells me to

>>22061689
If you have the money and time sure, plus you will use every single thing learnt right away

>>22061687
thats why its the hardest language in the world

>>22061689
if they've got matt-level (or above) umai perapera nouryoku, then follow their advice. if they're people who just so happened to pass the jlpt but don't actually know nihongo, don't trust them. if they don't know the language at all, but are still pressuring you to do it, tell em to fuck off.

>>22061689
show me one person that's actually good after those meme schools

>>22061689
sure waste your money dude

What are some high energy weeaboo tunes to grind kana to?

>>22061732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLUavJ95cIM

>>22061717
dont do that

>>22061732
https://youtu.be/EZug2c0bJXU

>>22061689
how much are those places anyways

>>22061743
is it because of the 俺?

>>22061749
like $15k a year

moetard lives in a third world country where pedophilia and fucking your relatives is seen as normal

>>22061756
you could spend that money on 200 copies of anime bds or vns instead. don't fuckin do it bruh.

you are just a product of your time period nothing more

Does けっこう normally just mean something like pretty, fairly, or decently? Also is it a filler word? I started doing some listening practice with podcasts to get used to hearing how actual people speak and i swear i hear it 9 times a minute.

>>22061799
dont say it unless u are female

>>22061763
what is america supposed to be a third world country in comparison to?
if that's the case, then mexico/brazil/indonesia are fourth world, and namibia/zambia are fith world

>>22061801
けっこうやばくないじゃないかこのことばは

>>22061801
gj you crippled retard.

>>22061807
but youre the one that just got trolled lol

now i got to myanimelist homepage and i see updates on what moetard has been watching pretty nice

>>22061752
just dont do it

is it true that only somebody who lives in the land of deep-fried bullets can acquire japanese?
matt is an amerishot. khatzumoto was living in america while learning nihongo. p sure lingosteve lives in america too. jamal is definitely from the cotton belt. i think yoga lived most of his life in america before moving to japan. nuke probably failed because he didn't learn nihongo in america before moving off to japan.
people like qm (who lives in germany) and britmatt have tried learning japanese, and even though they can understand it, it doesn't seem like they're too good at speaking it.

>>22061756
That includes accomodations?

>>22061805
America is a third world country.

>>22061689
it's a waste of time and money

>>22061831
Fuck off would it

i didnt know freedom was third world quality lol

>>22061829
If your definition of learning a language is outputting, angloshits could never truly learn a foreign language for they can never sound like natives.

>>22061829
steve is canadian

>>22061854
the only freedom you've got is the freedom to suck billionaire cock and choose between dying or lifelong debt if you ever get seriously sick or hurt lmao *watches a pile of 10 year olds get mowed down with an ak* *cracks open a 4loco and chugs it*

>>22061855
t. やれない
i've never seen a single person who was good at speaking japanese as their second/third language who didn't learn it from their room AND who didn't live in burgerland