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I want to make half alien babies with ORT

>>22081234
Re: the PC collection.
I've managed to find the person responsible for ripping the games, so the changes to the op might possibly be avoided.

I'm reading the Tsukihime manga and watching fate unlimited blade works and I feel myself becoming a huge fan.

I want to play the VNs too, do they differ much from the animes/manga?

>>22081257
The Tsukihime manga is kind of a spoiler of of the Arc route, as well some of the other routes, but overall it mostly roughly follows the Arc route. Personally I think the manga is much better than the route itself, but the VN also has Akiha, Kohaku, and Hisui's routes all of which are worth reading if you find yourself interested in their characters.

Fate's adaptions are generally fun but the source material is overall better. Give them a shot if you have a chance, they do differ quite a bit.

>>22081257
You really gotta read Fate/stay night to get the full thing, by starting with UBW you're already skipping the first route.
Tsukihime manga is an amazing adaptation of the Near side, but you gotta read the VN to get the Far side routes.

>>22081284
>>22081368

Thanks anons. Is melts blood a separate plot from Tsukihime? I have played the fighting game but I see there's also manga? I assumed it was just a fg version of Tsukihime

>>22081257
I don't know how far you are into UBW anime but I'd recommend to stop watching it and give the VN a go. I watched the anime first and I really regret it, UBW has always been my least favourite route and I think that's just because I never got to experience it properly because the anime kinda ruined it for me. I wish I'd just gone into the VN blind. Haven't read the Tsuki manga but I know it's an adaptation of near side (Arcueid/Ciel route) and personally what made me fall in love with Tsukihime was far side (Akiha, Hisui and Kohaku routes).

>>22081467
The original Melty Blood/Melty Blood ReACT is a sequel to Tsukihime/Kagetsu Tohya with a story mode that's a visual novel with choices made by winning/losing fights. Act Cadenza and Actress Again continue that story with their arcade modes. Main tsuki story is more or less: Tsuki -> KT -> MBR -> MBAACC, with a few short stories and manga stuff in there too.

>>22081709
What were your main problems with the anime, anon?

>>22081780
It was just kind of boring and underwhelming, nowhere near as impactful as even Fate route in the VN. I didn't really give much of a shit about the characters or what was going on, and Shirou just felt like a kind of boring generic protagonist until the Archer fight where all this dialogue about ideals felt kinda forced and not like it was properly built up.

>>22081857
I know it's just your opinion and everyone has a different experience but I couldn't disagree more, I think the anime did a wonderful job at building up Shirou's fucked up mindset and establishing parallels with Archer from early in season 1.
Both the UBW and HF adaptations get way more shit than they deserve but I guess some people will always have ridiculous standards.
(not to say that that anon shouldn't read the VN before watching the anime though).

>>22081709
>UBW has always been my least favourite route and I think that's just because I never got to experience it properly because the anime kinda ruined it for me
UBW is just shit. The VN was my first exposure to TM and UBW almost made me drop it. I'm glad I didn't.

>>22081723
>MBR -> MBAACC
Act Cadenza is between them.
I also recommend the audio dramas, they are fun.

>>22082013
I really liked the HF movies, but only judging them as their own thing as someone who's read the VN. If you judge them as a replacement for the VN then they're not great. I'd have to watch UBW again to review it as a VN reader, I can only review it as someone new to F/SN at the moment since that's the only time I watched it

>>22081234
meh op

My instincts are telling me Aoko is best girl in Mahoyo, can someone confirm/deny?

>>22082752
I would say you're correct, but Alice comes pretty damn close.

>>22082752
the best girl is actually her school friend who has like 30minutes of scenes in the entire VN and more personality than th entire fgo cast

>>22082752
ummm, anon

>>22082762
Alice best Mahoyo.

>>22082752
Those are some good instincts.
Though if you have any foresight, you would know that Aoko is a best by default.

>>22082983
Pantomime failure.

>>22082819
>>22082995
Playing for second is admirable.

>>22082752
they are all fantastic, but Soujuurou is the best girl

>>22083461
big yikes

>>22083387
>second

What does Rider's hair smell like

>>22084110
blood

Is El-Melloi worth reading? I didn't like the anime at all and wonder if the LN is any better.

>>22084504
If you didn't like the anime AT ALL, as in the characters and concept and setting aren't remotely your thing then no, not worth it.

>>22084512
I didn't like the execution and presentation. I like the premise of Waver going around solving magical mysteries but the anime feels really lacking somehow.

>>22084551
I'm still not sure you'll like it, the anime is very accurate to the feel and tone of the books. But if you just like to read more than watching anime in general then sure go ahead.

Arc's cute butt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsWMjLWP5eE

>>22086874
Arc the cutest.

>>22086874
FAT vampire ass

https://youtu.be/yLVmPNF3iz4

https://youtu.be/yLVmPNF3iz4
Your weekly reminder that Tsukihime was announced in 2009 and Nasu doesn't give a fuck.

Always Remember:
DO NOT BE SAD.
BE MAD.

>>22088513
>BE MAD
It's hard to be mad when you've reached enlightenment about the state of Type-Moon.

>>22088629
If you are enlightened, you would abandon it.

>>22084504
>>22084551
It can't hurt to at least give Adora a try. I really like the LN and the anime, but I think the LN is much better. It's not really the anime's fault, but the book naturally just lets you get more in touch with the inner thoughts of the characters and all that. I personally think the main characters are really good (especially Gray), but the anime doesn't convey this quite so much.

>>22088513
That pv was done later though (wasn't releasedon 2012) and said to the next ten years. so it means it'll be released in 2022.

>>22088759
No anon, don't, don't fool yourself with rethoric and sofisticated arguments.

Type Moon Fes Wallpapers.
A better Crossover than FGO will ever be.

>>22088759
Still a cope

Where was the Tsukihime PV first published? Was there an official site?

>>22088974
I honestly don't remember, but I seem to recall it being paired with something you had to buy. It was a long time ago. Maybe it was paired with CP release?

>>22088513

10 Years and Shiki's redesign still has Chester Bennington glasses. The redesigned characters all look like much less interesting people than the originals IMO. Thank you Takeuchi, very cool.

Can't wait for the Notes VN to be released.

Why so much anal.

>>22089156
Because that's the way you're supposed to treat women.

>>22089156
To make sure you won't have babies.

>>22089028
Shiki's redesign triggers me a lot. He looks like discount P5 protagonist now, albeit more fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>22089156
It's the thinking mans fetish.

Asked on /a/'s buyfag thread as well, figured I'd try here too. Did anyone buy the FSN/Hollow Ataraxia 10-year anniversary limited edition recently? The one with the physical disc from 5 years ago, not the digital re-release they did this year. There are some new copies on Amazon.jp for $400+, just wanted to get an idea if that seems to be the going price these days, couldn't find anything new anywhere else.

Do people actually like Fate Shirou over UBW Shirou or HF Shirou? I don't understand how people can prefer Fate Shirou over the other when Fate Shirou is completely out of character to his UBW and HF selves such as the the "GIrls shouldn't fight" line and yes I know he said that because of his trauma but over the course of the Fate route, he keeps having these sexist musings "GIrls are loud, but Saber is fine. Humble woman are apart of our cultural heritage". Another example is "For a girl, going outside at nine o'clock is like midnight. But she still said it's early... Is Tohsaka not self-conscious that she's a girl?"
I do admit that UBW Shirou is sexist too with his thoughts "What I want to say is that batting cages are not for girls" but that's one line in UBW compared to the many lines in Fate route.

>>22089609
lol

>>22089373
He just became a Shirou face with glasses. Do you dislike Shirou? If yes, thatn that is the reason.

>>22089609
To me they are all the same.

Finally got around to this, played Stay Night and watched Zero, what am I in for?
Should I press on with Fate stuff or go for Tsukihime or something next? The guy who pushed me onto Fate is a horrific secondary Zerofag who couldn't understand me taking my time with the VN instead of just jumping into Zero before anything else.

>>22090600
Lots of dumb bullshit involving the F/SN characters, whether it's fun or not is up to your tastes. The actual plot behind the scenes is pretty damn good, though.
IMO after the Fuyuki trilogy the franchise goes to shit, but there are people out there that like Extra, so it's ultimately up to you. I'd definitely recommend Tsukihime though, it's fantastic.

>>22089609
> "GIrls are loud, but Saber is fine. Humble woman are apart of our cultural heritage".
That wasn't even Shirou, but that boring faggot Issei.

>>22089609
He's not better than those two, but I still think he's underrated.
The basement scene is one of the most kino moments in the VN.

>>22088629
Truth
>>22088657
To be honest, I almost have. I didn't enter a thread for some months, and haven't watched Case Files yet even if I suppose I'll enjoy it.

>>22089448
I've seen it for sale at secondhand shops in Tokyo for as low as ~$240, so estimate to pay around that much or more. Unless you're specifically trying to get that edition, you'd spend less buying the games individually

what was the logic behind archer not killing caster at ryuudou? he kills her anyway

>>22089609
Dilate.

>>22093583
plot conveinence

>>22093583
Not an opportune time to betray Rin as opposed to later where Rider had already been taken out, Rin was there, and he already knew Caster's Master and how Rule Breaker worked.

>>22093583
He wanted to use her to take out Berserker. That, plus Caster could teleport.
>>22093752
He didn't need Rule Breaker at the time, as Rin had yet to use a CS on her.

>>22093928
Right, I forgot about the Shirou-related CS from Rin but that was also a big factor.

>>22093928
*him

>>22088974
January 2013 is the oldest mention I can find of it on short notice.

>>22093358
I can back that up. I've seen both individual games being sold together at online auctions for far cheaper than the combo pack.

>>22093358
Ended up snagging a new copy for ~$400, which looking at other options, I don't think was all that bad. Thought about just getting them individually, but I liked the idea of the set, hope the art/sketchbooks have some nice material.

>>22094575
Yeah, saw that it made more sense to buy separately, but figured it'd be a nice item to have if you factored in the extras. If it's worth $400 or not like I mentioned here >>22094655 I'm not sure, but don't think I was going to get it cheaper than that.

So after some reading of the FGO bullshit, I came to a conclusion that Cardboard Protagonist have some chance to be the infamous Beast of Alaya.
How would you feel about it if that was true, anon?

>>22094730
>FGO
I don't really care, honestly.

>>22094853
But that will define what other timelines will be. So at some level we all care (or should at least).

>>22094884
>So at some level we all care (or should at least).
Not really, no.

>>22090600
I started this around 2 weeks ago or so, currently at 75% completion or so. The daily life scenes are great for the most part, just wish Archer and Lancer would get to interact with the other servants a bit more.
I wasn't really feeling it at first but I've really grown to like the back and forth between Bazett and Angra.

>>22090600
I would always recommend Tsukihime, but be aware it's dated and from a time they were independent with a really low budget. The manga is a great adaptation of Arc's route.
I also recommend the F/Z LN, even if the anime is a good adaptation imo.

>>22094730
I'm not going to bother with FGO unless it introduces our lord Jesus.

>>22081257
You can't be a real TM fan without playing visual novels. VNs are a nightmare to adapt, you're already spoiling yourself while experiencing everything in the worst and most watered-down way possible.

>>22096203
Stop gatekeeping

>>22096261
no, fuck you.
we will happily gatekeep if it means getting more people to experience some of Type-Moon's objectively best works.

>>22096261
He wasn't even being an elitist there.
VNs are among the foundation works of this franchise. You can't get really get around reading them.

Arcpits!

>>22096261
That wasn't gatekeeping at all, the source work has much more material crammed in it than the adaptations.

>>22096261
Gatekeeping is a term used by casuals who don't actually want to enjoy the work, they just want to indulge themselves.

In other words, it is a term no one should actually take seriously.

>>22095546
>I also recommend the F/Z LN
No. Just no.

>>22098206
Why? It gives a little more insight in the character's mind than the anime, especially towards the end if I remember well.

>>22097465
We need more arcpits o future works.

>>22098231
It's an absolute chore to read through and full of unnecessary exposition. The anime is much more well thought out and the character's actions speak more about their thoughts then Urobuchi's constant repetitious "philosophical" rambles. The pacing is god awful slow in comparison to the anime, and the anime even includes Heart of Freaks alongside the 24-ish episodes to adapt the LN, which you might think is too little but when you actually read the light novel you realize that if it wasn't for Urobuchi's awful writing technique this light novel could have easily been 2.5-3 normal size volumes long instead of 4 long size volumes. This is completely ignoring the amateur writing mistakes in introducing the characters at the beginning (which, again, the anime fixes).
Don't read it, watch the anime instead. LNs aren't Urobuchi's strong suit. Go read Saya no Uta, or watch the puppet anime or Psycho-Pass. Those are much more suited to his style of writing and far superior.

>>22095546
Tsuki's budget artstyle and OST is charming to me.
Makes me want to try out more VNs from the late 90s.

>>22098281
I don't recall it being that bad, but then again it's been a long time.

>>22098330
I just read it a couple of months ago, the memory is fresh. I unironically would say that Fate/Apocrypha was more fun to read then Fate/Zero. Though Fate/Apocrypha sucked ass not because of bad writing technique, but because of bad characters and general plot and basically what everyone has been criticizing it for since it released.

>>22098281
Sounds a lot like Nasu

>>22098281
Not that anon, but maybe you have a lower tolerance to dense writings? Although I do not disagree that such elements exist, they were by no means unconfortable to read, because well, ai like to read whatever. Actually, I feel unconfortable when I have no narration of any sort as most anime with 24 episodes, when not less, suffer from the format and the fact that most of the screen time is directed to better adapt the battles and other action scenes.
Maybe if they used the format of Shaft where, like, the format is pretty much not respected and there is more dialogue narration and on screen narration. But then that would be just as bad right?

Anyway, if you really want to be well informed, the truth is that you need to read and watch as Nasu recently has been drclaring adaptations as different timelines of its original works.

>>22098356
>the truth is that you need to read and watch as Nasu recently has been drclaring adaptations as different timelines of its original works.
Wait, what? That's fucking hilarious.

>>22098346
...then why are you here lmao.
Nasu monologues are justified by the VN format. UBW didn't work as an anime because it was missing such a key piece. Fate/Zero succeded because the LN was bogged down by the same fact.

>>22098281
> and the anime even includes Heart of Freaks
It doesn't. You probably mixed it up with Kiritsugu's backstory, which was part of the LN to begin with.

>>22098362
No, not just monologues but also the unnecessary exposition, rambling, horrible pacing, amateur writing mistakes, and the fact that the works could have been much shorter than they were. These are all criticisms that are commonly aimed at Tsukihime and F/SN.

>>22098369
you forgot the worst part, repetition. i swear Nasu repeats himself so damn much.

thankfully Mahoyo lacks a lot of those issues

>>22098368
Ah yeah I missed that. It is a long time, but I recall Heart of Freaks being about a roadtrip in small town that's mindcontrolled with a final showdown underground where Kerry lies to Natalia about the Crest of the Magus they were hunting.

>>22098412
Ye, it's not essential to the main story, but some nice extra.
Basically: something that would have been decent OVA material for the anime.

>>22098356
>lower tolerance to dense writings
Dense novels. I'm fine with the visual novel format being this way because while I'm reading there are other things to pay attention to so you can really immerse yourself. Novels need to be fun to read because all there is to it is writing. Exposition should be dealt by the characters or by narration from the MC, Urobuchi constantly breaks this and makes some unknown narrator do it and it makes no fucking sense, and alongside that he repeats the exposition which YOU SHOULD NOT DO. It's like trying to make an essay fit the word limit but you're out of stuff to write.
> that most of the screen time is directed to better adapt the battles and other action scenes.
As it should. Fate/Zero anime has a great balance of this, and all the parts in the LN where it describes "why the characters acting this way" are substituted by "show don't tell". Many times in the LN Kiritsugu, for example, would do something and I would be like "ok, he's breaking down here because he can't handle having a mind of steel all the time" and the next paragraph is Urobuchi doing the exact thing I just did but making it longer, and basically having to read my exact thoughts but again. Anime cuts this out, and we deduce what why the character is this way from what is being shown.
>Maybe if they used the format of Shaft where, like, the format is pretty much not respected and there is more dialogue narration and on screen narration.
Just as bad, yea. I didn't enjoy the Monogatari anime because it's in every way just a glorified light novel, and so I picked up the light novels and enjoyed them much more. Nisioisin actually knows how to write, and IMO his works don't ever fit the anime medium too well. The anime gets so highly rated because animeonlies like the visuals but are in the end getting worse character interaction because it's the anime and not the LN.

Basically, fit your god damn writing to the medium.

>>22098369
Tsukihime and F/SN are VNs. That's a key difference here. Fate/Zero is a light novel. A lot of it is justified because it's a VN. An LN shouldn't be like this because, well, it's not a VN. I actually think the Fate/Zero LN would have a good VN adaptation.

>>22098368
You're right, got it confused. Both are backstory so I thought the anime had adapted a bit of it, I guess not.

>>22098477
Well that might explain why I have not been liking that much most anime while monogatari always felt refreshing. To me, anime are just propaganda to make me go and read the dense novels and complementary works.
As another e
In a sense I could say that I hate VNs with voices and too much CG (unless it is porn).

>>22098507
>A lot of it is justified because it's a VN.
I don't know, I don't really buy the whole, "it's justified because I can look at sprites and listen to some mediocre music at the same time."

>>22098477 #
Well that might explain why I have not been liking that much most anime while monogatari always felt refreshing. To me, anime are just propaganda to make me go and read the dense novels and complementary works.
In a sense I could say that I hate VNs with voices and too much CG (unless it is porn).

>>22098519
Then you probably just don't enjoy the VN format that much or you think Tsukihime and F/SN are bad, which I would have to ask once again: why the hell are you here, I thought the consensus here was boomer type-moon good, zoomer type-moon bad.

And before you list me all these highly rated VNs which you do like.

>>22098534
No, I do enjoy the VN format. I just happen to believe that it does not excuse bad writing.
>I thought the consensus here was boomer type-moon good, zoomer type-moon bad.
You can be critical of works while still being fond of them. I still enjoy Tsukihime and FSN despite all of their issues.

>>22098512
I was like this too, so much so I vowed at the start of 2019 that I wasn't going to watch anime again and if I was ever interested I would look at the source.
Anime originals are what got me back into it, or if there was a source and the anime wasn't doing it for me, I would just drop it and go read the source. Unless the anime actually did stuff that was different from the source like NHK, which then both experiences are worth it.

Basically, watch anime made to be anime, and manga made to be manga, VN made to be VN etc etc. Except Fate/Zero. Watch the anime for that one.

what would've happened if caster tried to summon the grail without the war ending? it would've just been angra'd anyway even if it worked, right?

>>22098562
Well I dont have the same issues with Zero novel haha and well I like to read whatever is related to my interests anyway. I usually don't mind that much those objective factors you mentioned.

>>22098534
> I thought the consensus here was boomer type-moon good, zoomer type-moon bad.
This is kinda funny, because all the people, whom I know and dislike FGO are zoomers.
Meanwhile I've seen a lot of boomer TMfags (Menwearpink, Kyte. MCJon) defend it at every turn.

>>22098748
What would define boomer or zoomer? The year when they started with fate and etc or what was read first?

>>22098767
People who have been on BL since at least 2010 are who come to my mind, when I think of "T-M boomers".

>>22098748
You can count me as a boomer who dislike current TM.

>>22098767
Ahhh, I personified type-moon here. So it would be the old type-moon releases are good, new type-moon releases bad.

>>22098748
So true, I got into Type-Moon through the UBW adaptation and I'm a 2000s kid.

Is the only way to play the full version of f/sn in english to have realta nua and patch in the stuff that was taken out?

My first contact with TypeMoon was through Melty Blood and Tsukihime Animation when I was 11 years old (16 years ago). I then watched Fate from DEEN at 13 years old and eventually read the VN when I was 16 or 17 I believe. I guess I am a boomer then?

>>22098748
I got into TM with the 2006 anime (but I only learned English in 2011) and I hate FGO fiercely.
Am I a boomer?

>>22098748
>Menwearpink, Kyte. MCJon
It's okay. Dullahan will redeem them

>>22098864
You're a honorary boomer.

Tsukihime Typing Online (TOL):
https://mega nz/#!2MN3RKCJ!4SoYY4UNrgLrrthH0IXe3XOm1MhX6PJSa2IKHWa7zHg
This is a doujin type-moon typing game released in 2003 that has a vs. online mode that actually has quite a bit of depth

>>22098477
>I'm fine with the visual novel format being this way because while I'm reading there are other things to pay attention to so you can really immerse yourself. Novels need to be fun to read because all there is to it is writing. Exposition should be dealt by the characters or by narration from the MC, Urobuchi constantly breaks this and makes some unknown narrator do it and it makes no fucking sense, and alongside that he repeats the exposition which YOU SHOULD NOT DO. It's like trying to make an essay fit the word limit but you're out of stuff to write.
Do you not read many LNs? They do this all the time. It's not just an Urobuchi thing.
Not saying that makes it okay, just why I'm used to seeing it.

>>22099221
I do actually. Just very good ones. LNs who have this type of writing i tend to drop are bad. Off the top of my head, Slime Tenshi did this as well and it was a quick drop after about the first volume. Examples of good LNs who don't do this (different genres, but they are still LNs in general): Boogiepop, Haruhi, Monogatari, Zaregoto, NHK, Twelve Kingdoms, etc etc. A lot of newer LNs tend to do exactly what I said, a lot of the older ones are written like actual novels or in Haruhi and Konosuba's case, more satire oriented writing.

Type-Boom:
>KnK
>Tsukihime and KT
>FSN, original UBW anime, F/HA(if read pre-translation)
>Supplementary materials
>Meltan
Type-Zoom:
>Fate/extra franchise
>CP
>FGO
>Any anime except the original UBW/Tsukihime
>Any LN except KnK

I'm just kidding though, I personally like nearly everything mentioned except GO.

How many Aoko faces do we currently have?

>>22099723
Carnival Phantasm is as boomer as you can get though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnRhRLIudk
This reminds me that people usually defend the Tsukihime anime beacuse of its OST. What do you think anon?

>>22099873
Wow that's some pretty nice fanart you got there.

>>22099886
A hypothetical Ufotable adaptation of Tsukihime would be which route?

>>22099896
Probably Arc's since they would have ample excuse to be flashy.

>>22099904
Wasn't she more flashy on Ciel route though? Ciel would be two birds with one stone.

>>22099873
I really like the OP. It reminds me of Sadeness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsEx3pwx898
>>22099896
My wish would be Akiha's.

>>22099919
Yeah but no one likes Ciel.

>>22099923
I love Ciel though.
Loving Arc is just a phase.

Good times when Tsukihime and Fate shared a Timeline, I always fantasized how their cooperation would be.

>>22099923
Incorrect

月姫リメイクどこ...

>>22099919
She uses Marble Phantasm in her own route.
Ufo could pour a lot of their tax evasion money into animating that.

https://imgur.com/a/44DDWmK

>>22099931
>>22099955
>>22099923
shut up

>>22098748
What about IRUN?

>>22098869
Dullahan might be a typical brainwashed zoomer uni student, but he is exactly right on FGO.

>>22099723
What about Mahoyo?

>>22099791
One, Aoko at any point in her life.
Everything else is a descendant or an imitation.

https://twitter.com/OK_squared_/status/1072077383883079680

>>22100120
You could make a case for it being either, but since it's untranslated I'd probably put it in boom.

>>22100297
>since it's untranslated
What if someone played F/GO before it got the North American/translated version?

>>22100321
Hard, all chapters are translated very fast on youtube. You don't even have to wait one year.
There's nothing more zoomer than that.

>>22100297
It is also entirely like his older works with more refinement, zoomers seem to crap on it or don't care because no TL.
It is firmly a boomer work.

>>22100113
I'm old enough to remember watching 9/11 on TV. How dare you call me a zoomer.

>>22100882
So you're a few years older than me.
Still, 9/11 being the turning point of boomer/zoomer seems a little off.

>announced as a visual novel for the first time in 2008
>changed into anime series in 2010, studio is ufotable
>2019 already
>still nothing from both TM/Meteo or ufotable side
poor Girls' Work

>>22100956
she's nice to look at, if nothing else.

>>22100956
RIP. Meteo's main focus is Requiem now (not to mention he is also a scenario writer of FGO) while for ufotable given by how successful Kimetsu no Yaiba is, they probably will stick with it and keep animating the source material after finishing HF3.

>>22100956
It wasn't Fate. What did you expect?

>>22099931
A 10 year phase for me. I hope it never ends!

Why is Akiha's route the best written route in Tsukihime?

>>22101435
It's a personal route, whereas Arc and Ciel are characters Shiki just stumbled upon one day.

>>22101779
dear god I find Taiga incredibly attractive, but it feels wrong to lewd her.

>>22101803
I think this might be one of the only lewds I've seen of her, so I imagine most people agree.

>>22101779
"Taiga - you still got the pins girl" as my late grandmother would say

>>22101435
Because you're a siscon.

>>22101304
Oh in that case it is just shit taste then.

>>22102061
every Tsuki girl is good, no bullying here!

>>22102102
:3

>>22102056
I wish Akiha was my sister.

>>22102129
I started loving her unconditionaly after watching those blendy13 renders of her. The abusive way he does the scenes made me feel bad and remember all those happenings on ther route (and made me conscious of her sexy body).

AOKO BOOB

>>22102188
THIS IS THE KIND OF QUALITY POST I EXPECT FROM /TMG/

>>22102188
Indeed.

Bonus with some armpits.

Show some restraint.

>>22102223
I want a taste of Aoko's sweat

>>22099944
> Ciel - EMIYA (Archer)
> Bazett - Cu Chulainn (Lancer)
> Touko - Mordred (Saber)
> Illya - Herakles (Berserker)
> Kuzuki - Caster (Medea)
> Aoko - Cursed Arm Hassan (Assassin)
Would anything remain from Fuyuki after a Grail War like this?

>>22102354
Pretty imba.

>>22102367
Any suggestions to make it better?

>>22102430
It is very hard to actually make a decently balanced and not cringeworthy list.

>>22102109
Except that one. No one likes her.

>>22103535
speak for yourself, nigger

>>22103541
ciel fans are racist thats insane

>>22103546
how could they be racist, when Ciel is French?

>>22103546
I am from south america though, how come I would be.

>>22103554
good point

>>22103546
I'm French, so that's a given

>>22099873
I really like the OST. I have it on my phone and I listen to it from time to time for almost a decade already.

I read some interviews about Nasu saying that all events or at least most of them are based on his vacations on certain related places, like when he went to Hawai and also he seems to have traveled to LA. Some enemies seems to be based on jokes they did or funny moments that he had with the staff.
Is it me or those special events are just a way o Nasu smashins to our faces how rich he is, traveling all around the world and complaining that he can't do the remake because "life is a harsh mistress"?
I know I am a fool for waiting all this years for any new VN, but that is becoming very disrespectful.

>>22105519
I kinda assumed Nasu was a hikki, as for years the on-going gig has been "I would love to work but my games xDDD".
Didn't take him for the traveling type.

>>22105566
Well, I wouldn't say that he went on his initiative, I mean, according to Takeuchi on the TM byograph Nasu is everything but a person with initiative.
Takeuchi, on the other hand, is the guy with the entrepreneurship and creates funny strategies to make Nasu go along with him. FGO was born like this btw, Nasu actually hated mobile games.

>>22105709
>Nasu actually hates FGO, but is too whipped by Takeuchi to resist.

>>22105709
"However there was a problem: FGO was scheduled to be released as a smartphone game (a mobage), and this posed problems and challenges for Nasu: The difference of platforms, and more importantly, Nasu's lack of experience (he did not own smartphones prior to this project), displaying his inexperience in smartphone games. Nasu's reason behind this was due to the convenience of smartphones that will "turn him useless as a result". In order to change his mindset, Takeuchi bought him a smartphone and setup a situation which, during another usual day where Nasu goes to work as usual, he would then notice a smartphone was placed on his desk, with a number of games installed for him. The games Nasu then used to refer for the project would be "Chain Chronicles" and "Brave Frontier". Fiddling with those games made Nasu aware and he then discovered the potential of smartphone games. This realization too aligned with the vision Takeuchi wanted as well since Type-Moon wanted to catch up with the times - shifting visual novel games which is originally made for the niche market and place them into the mainstream market - a game where people can access anywhere, anytime. Additionally, the reason why Type-Moon chose to start by creating R18 game was because they felt it was "the most interesting thing likely to happen at the most interesting place", by doing so it managed to became the forefront brand recognized by most otakus. Therefore to Takeuchi, who always wanted and had been looking for his so called "interesting places": Allowing him to delve into the potential of smartphone games, which is a completely new horizon for him, was an experience worth exploring. (Page 202, 203)"

Regarding Nasu not being a person with initiative:

"Takeuchi wanted and aimed to bring Nasu's work and make it well known to public with a serious attitude purely because he didn't want Nasu's talent gone to waste. So one random day during their usual TRPG routine with friends and halfway through, Takeuchi had a one-on-one conversion with Nasu at the second floor of their meeting place and told Nasu to not remain self-satisfied within his circle of friends and think seriously of his future and his talent. To Nasu, this shocked him because those words said by Takeuchi to him was interpreted as this: "この美しい黄金の夕焼けと比べればお前はどうなんだ (lit. What about you when compared to this beautiful golden sunset)". From there on he knew he had to go all out and start going serious since then. At the time, Mahou Tsukai no Yoru and his other work, Koori no Hana was written to be used for novel competition, but both works could not be eligible for entry due to it surpassing the limited characters allowed for a competition. This was when both of them decided to setup Takebouki, their doujin circle before Type-Moon was established. (Page 27, 28)"

>>22105566
There's a interview pre KT where Nasu says he wishes to travel to England iirc

>>22105519
>Nasu saying that all events or at least most of them are based on his vacations on certain related places, like when he went to Hawai and also he seems to have traveled to LA. Some enemies seems to be based on jokes they did or funny moments that he had with the staff.
He thinks about the location of that event first and they go to that location later. For Hawaii's trip, Nasu went with other staff while for Las Vegas, it's just Nasu only. Also the interview also says
>Additionally, he figured that Aniplex would pay for a trip to Hawaii for research.

>>22106031
>Additionally, he figured that Aniplex would pay for a trip to Hawaii for research.
Did they?

>>22106092
Nasu said so, so yes i guess.

You wake up at the morning, you feel kinda refreshed, nothing really to worry about and nothing to expect. It is December 25th, 2019 and you go to your PC to see what's up and then you saw everybody exploding because TM updated on Tsukihime Remake. Not only that, the release date would be winter 2019.
However, after checking the details you notice something strange... The Remake wouldn't be your common VN release, but rather, the story would be adapted to be a gacha game made by StudioBB on the same trend as FGO, but with a better engine, having the main storyline as either ADV or NVL format, Mahoyo level of CG animations and overall better quality. The game wouldn't be mobile only bur will be also acessible through a special client compatible with the most common browsers, making it possible to be played on PC and easy to adapt for consoles. The chapters would progress at the same rate as maps on FGO, with events, occasional grind and of course, the microtransactions and gacha. All would be server based.
How would you feel if this really happened?

You wake up at the morning, you feel kinda refreshed, nothing really to worry about and nothing to expect. It is December 25th, 2019 and you go to your PC to see what's up and then you saw everybody exploding because TM updated on Tsukihime Remake. Not only that, the release date would be winter 2020.
However, after checking the details you notice something strange... The Remake wouldn't be your common VN release, but rather, the story would be adapted to be a gacha game made by StudioBB on the same trend as FGO, but with a better engine, having the main storyline as either ADV or NVL format, Mahoyo level of CG animations and overall better quality. The game wouldn't be mobile only bur will be also acessible through a special client compatible with the most common browsers, making it possible to be played on PC and easy to adapt for consoles. The chapters would progress at the same rate as maps on FGO, with events, occasional grind and of course, the microtransactions and gacha. All would be server based.
How would you feel if this really happened?

>>22106213
Could be worse.
Sadly even that feels optimistic.

>>22106213
>better engine
>playable from a PC
>Mahoyo level of CG animations and overall better quality
I would be disappointed it's a gacha but still play it I guess. If fgo was playable on pc with a better engine and quality I would probably have keep playing it from time to time

>>22106031
Aniplex producer dude is his sugar daddy.

>>22099167
How do I get more words?

>>22106677
That's right, and Fate is also Aniplex's precious child too

>>22106213
into the trash

>>22106213
I would be relieved, actually. With that, I could finally shut the door on TM forever and move on. The remake's limbo is the only reason I'm still here.

>>22106213
Literally my worst nightmare and would unironically consider suicide, this would kill all my motivation to learn japanese and read it at the very least.
With that said

>Mahoyo level of CG animations and overall better quality.
>on a phone/browser game

Literally impossible, TM phone games will always be trash tier compared to the visual masterpiece that is Mahoyo.

https://twitter.com/fate15th/status/1174880879132299264
seriously who the fuck think this is a good idea?

>>22107336
What's wrong with that? I'm glad that game is alive in some way outside of the Vita realase of HA, the art is pretty cute.

>>22107336
Shinji looks like a 70s pop star trying to 'stay hip, cool and relevant" in the mid 80s by keeping the same damm look.

>>22106964
I wanna bury my face into Arc's sweater and stay inside

Is there like, no MP3 version of the Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia soundtracks?

>>22107773
>he can't play .oggs
>he can't just use audacity to encode the .oggs to mp3

Begone, phoneposter.

>>22107808
>lossy to lossy
actually puking

>>22107336
TM is dead. A complete lack of ideas and energy to do anything new.

>>22108129
Why the fuck do you have a problem with a minigame being brought to mobile, anon?

>>22108151
That's not the problem, retard.

>>22108155
I don't disagree with your assessment at all other than the fact that it was in response to that tweet. There's literally nothing wrong with Capsule Servant.

Finished Arc route today.
Why is Shiki so fixated on raping people?
Is it normal for the true ending to be the bittersweet one?

>>22108657
Keep reading and you will know.
But in advance, it is not that he insists in raping people, but rather in mutilating them. It just so happens that this emotion is expressed as lust.
Also, that thing comes from Shiki unconsciosness and is related to his past (which is the reason that I said for you to keep reading.)

>>22108685
Oh, another thing I forgot, he doesn't feel like that to any but a specific type of "people".

>>22108685
Kagetsu Tohya does a better job at explaining that desu. Tsuki just continously tries to make you question Shiki's sanity, and you don't learn much about the Nanayas

>>22106213

>>22108657
You'll get it, don't worry. Enjoy your reading. Ciel's route is decried a lot, but I loved it.

>>22106213
Rip the new assets and put it in the old game, something like what was done with umineko pc version and the ps release.
Even just bg art and sprites would be nice

I played through Tsukihime's Arcueid route long ago and was less than impressed because while it had a cool atmosphere and setting, barely anything seemed to actually happen plotwise. The MC kills/rapes Arcueid, then they group up and kill some guy who could summon animals and then the end.

There were barely any antagonists, extremely little action and not much of an overall plot.

Are the other routes any different?

>>22110101
Yes. The good part about Arcueid is about her past, which I believe is something that is only touched on another route, can't remember now and better developed on KT.
Arcueid has a very interesting mythos, as she is of all characters the one that is the most linked to the biggest elements of Nasuverse, making her pretty much the connection to all the other works, Notes included. Unfortunately, the focus of her route is just an introduction with some Shiki romance.
Alternatively, you can also read her route's version of the manga, which does a better job.

>>22109737
I would also ask for an update on the OST.

Kinda feeling like skipping the Tsukihime VN and just going with the manga after seeing it being praised so much.

>>22110403
Tsukihime's biggest issues are the pacing and repetition, in my opinion. And, well, if you're an English reader I suppose the garbage translation doesn't really help.

The manga is certainly more streamlined and it can be read in a few hours rather than tens of hours, and I can certainly say that it's a big upgrade for Arc's route. But most people would probably agree that Akiha, Hisui, and Kohaku have routes worth reading even in spite of Tsuki's problems.

>>22110403
The manga is good, but read the VN. The far side is pure kino.

>>22110448
Is the translation really that bad? Maybe I should just wait for the remake and hope it gets a better translation, hehe

>>22110688
hahahahaha
fuck you, anon

>>22110688
No. There is a cancer argument that persists in this thread that all translations are trash and if you aren't reading the moon runes you aren't doing it right.
>just wait for the remake and hope it gets a better translation
fuck you, anon

>>22110956
>There is a cancer argument that persists in this thread that all translations are trash and if you aren't reading the moon runes you aren't doing it right.
It's true though. That being said, the translations is more than good enough for EOPs.

>>22110956
>There is a cancer argument that persists in this thread that all translations are trash and if you aren't reading the moon runes you aren't doing it righ
No, there are plenty of good translations, but Tsukihime's reads as if it was written by a high school student that barely knew English. Because it was.

It's serviceable, sure, but you won't be deriving any pleasure from the prose at all, unless you have an affinity toward dry, stilted writing and incomprehensible word salads.

>>22110403
Dude, the manga is praised in relation to the Arcueid route because it adapts the Arcueid route better. Everything else is good and only exists as VN format. You can skip Arcs route, but not Ciel, Akiha, Hisui and Kohaku.

>>22111084
The fact that I never really minded TakaJun's translation is a telltale sign that my English still has room for development.

>>22111084
>No, there are plenty of good translations, but Tsukihime's reads as if it was written by a high school student that barely knew English.
Wouldn't that be the authentic translation, as this pretty much defines Nasu english level? (that is, if Nasu were to adapt his works to english most probably would end up being what we see already)

>>22111271
Not that guy and of course my understand of Japanese comes mostly from otaku shit, so my perception is warped. With that preface, I think Nasu was a good writer and had good prose overall. Yeah sure there are times that felt kind of like a teenager writing being edgy or whatever, but mostly I thought he was good.

>>22111271
Nasu hates the huwite man, so I doubt he learned any English, besides a few cool-sounding words.

>>22111284
I don't think he would have good prose writing in english though. Look at unlimited blade works chant and compare to the text in japanese. He has serious problems adapting that.

>>22111304
>I don't think someone that's ESL-tier at best would be a good writer in English
No shit

>>22111268
Read more! It's the best way to develop, in my opinion.

>>22111271
Thegreatest translations are ones which do their best to maintain the spirit, style, and intentions. If Nasu were to write his own translation in broken English, I very much doubt he would be able to accurately portray his own spirit, style, and intentions.

Translating is an arduous task and there will always be debates about literal vs liberal choices, but I feel like the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

>>22111266
The art being pretty good helps a lot, too.

>>22111355
Manga Arc is my favorite version of her. Very filled out and womanly; further accentuating the contrasts between her aesthetics and her very warped, childlike behavior.

>>22111355
It is an important read after all. But by no means a substitute of the VN.
Also, why the fuck the captcha has been having a fetish with traffic lights lately.

>>22111369
>Manga Arc is my favorite version of her. Very filled out and womanly; further accentuating the contrasts between her aesthetics and her very warped, childlike behavior.

What about Melty Blood Manga Arc?

>>22111389
>It is an important read after all. But by no means a substitute of the VN.

Who said it was a substitute of the VN?

>>22111268
>>22111321
Did TakaJun translate Tsukihime and Melty Blood or just Fate?

>>22111411
Melty Blood manga is a lot of fun, but I still prefer the way Sasaki draws her.

>>22111424
Tsukihime, KT, Fate, and a bunch of other visual novels were done by Takajun, including Utawarerumono, Majikoi, Sengoku Rance, and a few others.

As much shit as I give him I'm incredibly grateful for Takajun. Without him I probably would have never become so invested in eroge.

>>22111441
Translation – AstCd2, Ryuusoul, TakaJun, tjm
Additional Translation – chendo, Connor, (Sheep Mafia)
Editing – Ryuusoul, TakaJun
Proofing – Fuyutski, Kurisuchanrin, LrdDimwit
Additional Proofing – Byrnedhead, Einherjar, EVILONE, OrganGrinder, Sheep Mafia, tjm

>>22111418
Actually the dude was intending to skip all the VN because everyone was praising the manga. And as I noticed no one was correcting it, I am emphasizing this.

>>22111369
>>22111426
Why is Arc's design so aesthetically appealing?

>>22111590
Takeuchi's gift is simplicity.
It almost borders on minimalism sometimes.

>>22111609
What are Takeuchi's worst designs?

>>22111619
Summer Jeanne's 3rd ascen

>>22111649
That is hard to beat.

>>22111355
Where did you get this scan from? It's much higher quality than what's in the OP's Mega.

>>22111685
I think I got mine from Animebytes. The quality varies considerably in it, though.

Actually I would say the one you posted looks better than mine, were it not for the fact that it's exceptionally blurry in the middle. The one I have is cleaner, but a bit too denoised in my opinion.

Incidentally, there was a digital release of the Tsukihime manga, but nobody has uploaded it yet. Sad.

>>22107058
>Mahoyo level of CG animations and overall better quality.
>on a phone/browser game

It's really fucking not. do you know how much computing power modern phones have? every mobile dev is just lazy as fuck because they know their main audience is children and teenagers with moms credit card.

>>22112252
It would play slow and shitty on most phones.
The bigger problem with that whole idea is how the gameplay aspect has no fucking place in a real Nasu VN. It already ruins the pacing in FGO as it is, much less in a real Nasu work which usually have way fewer fights.

>>22112252
Yeah the issue isn't so much that phones couldn't handle it, but rather that I don't think TM would even bother putting that much work into their titles for their modern audience.

I mean FGO makes literally a shit gazillion dollars every month and it still looks like a cheap flash game. The audio quality is terrible. The sprites barely have any variation insofar as poses and expressions are concerned. The image quality is also very subpar.

Why on Earth would they ever bother with Mahoyo tier production values when their modern audience is perfectly satisfied with crap? It's more work and money for no benefit.

>>22089028
Would be pretty funny if they made such a big deal of redrawing the sprites to be fashionable in 2010, only to spend so long actually getting it made that fashion moves on again, and they just all look like boomers.

>>22112699
TM are just shitty human beings if you want me to be frank, plently of other succesful creators still try their best to improve and deliver impressive products.

>>22112252
Phones vary too much in specs.
Could you run mahoyo in any mid-range or better phone made after 2017? Probably, but you will want the audience with cheap and/or older phones too

>>22113663
Just make an static mode for them, even Nekopara has one for potato PCs in which those bouncing bewbs won't bounce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0itv0om0Vgo&app=desktop

Imouto-chan birthday

>>22113663
well they clearly don't give a fuck about that in fgo

>>22114377
When Nasu food obsession to a character, as some "le funny quirk", it always end up being cringey or outright tiring (Saber Alter with junkfood, or case in point: Ciel's curry obsession).
If I remember correctly, Ciel's curry obsession only came up once in Tsuki, when Shiki bribes her with some, but even there it's not for sure, whether she's genuine or just playing a role.
but ever since KT it's always been "curry xDD" and "India xDD".
The only time this kind of gag actually worked was in HF. After seeing Kirei acting like a mustache twirlingly evil psycho for 2 routes, it was amusing to see him dorkily gobbling up a bowl of mapo tofu, in that context it made him seem more human.

>>22114555
There's a scene where Shiki and Ciel have lunch in am empty club room (Ciel is the only member of some school club, she probably mindfucked everyone else into leaving) and Ciel's lunch is curry. But it's the only scene I remember.
God, I need to reread Tsukihime, 8 years is too long

>>22114662
Ye, I did not deny she likes curry. I was just skeptic if it's to the point, where she can be bribed with it.

>>22114555
WTF you're talking about, it was outright said in her route that she had a deposit of curry inside her apartment. Her bio on complement material is also filled with it.
And I love that she is like this, my curry wife.
I WOULD EAT CIEL WITH CURRY.

>>22114726
> WTF you're talking about, it was outright said in her route that she had a deposit of curry inside her apartment.
I'd request a prt screen
> Her bio on complement material is also filled with it.
Which has been written after the VN and possibly after KT.
Again, I'm not denying Ciel canonically is obsessed with curry. I'm just saying this is a quirk that has been overtly exaggerated over the years, and it wasn't so excessive in the original VN.
> And I love that she is like this, my curry wife.
I don't really like when a character I like is simplified to a single quirk of her/his. Like they do nowadays with Rin's obsession with money.
But I think we've had a discussion like this here a month ago.

>>22114764
>I don't really like when a character I like is simplified to a single quirk of her/his.
I don't see this simplification though. What we have is an underdevelopment of the Church mythos, which creates the effect of the curry joke being more evident.
But by no means that side of Ciel is a simplification, and even if it was, it wouldn't be a demerit. That would be actually something on par with her natural dualism, as she is at the same time a very serious agent of the church while being your funny and caring senpai who loves curry.
I love curry and I also became a joke about it in my life and by no means curry became an simplification of myself.

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>>22114896
Get out FGOfag.

>>22114965
What the fuck anon how does knowing a design make him a GOfag
He's absolutely right btw that's the worst

>>22114361
happy birthday

>>22116151
Incredibly based and akihapilled

>2019
>still no options to romance any of the male characters in any if the games except maybe astolfo in FGO who barely even counts as a guy in the first place
where the FUCK is my gay route nasu where the FUCK is it

>>22114555
>but ever since KT it's always been "curry xDD" and "India xDD".

Why did Nasu turn the Tsukihime cast into gag characters?

>>22111685
>>22111706
What if /tmg/ made high quality scanlations of the Tsukihime manga?

>>22116283
In the nether where it belongs.

>>22116151
Cute. Congratulations.

>>22116496
I would if we had access to the digital files. Way easier than translating his games.

>>22116487
Isn't a TM tradition to make jokes about itself?
FGO is even called an exageration of that.

Dude I was thinking about what I read from Notes...
Most of the Ether Liners and all those modified humans are described to have "animal parts". The protag even described a doctor with a bird head or something like that.
Wouldn't that actually be a sci-fi monster girl scenario?

>>22081234
why didnt her route get a happy ending?

>>22116657
Japanese
http://rawcs.net/753.html
Português
http://nasuversebr.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/tsukihime-manga-portugues.html
Russian
http://livingflcl.eva-not-end.com/manga/complete/tsukihime.html

>>22116783
it was left for Kagetsu Tohya

>>22110448
>>22110688
>>22110956
>>22111084
If you hate bad translations so much, why not bypass them completely by learning the language?

>>22116989
>>22116989
I have.

Well, I finished Hollow Ataraxia.

I liked it, but to be honest there was a little bit too much to do, it eventually became kind of a slog, then again I don't think this is a problem with the VN itself, and it's not like I was forced to do all that stuff, so the problem's with me. The main story was pretty good, so was the other stuff in general, I actually did not see everything but the scenes I accidentally miseed wered minor stuff, the completion rate was at 98.8% at the end and I saw all the major stuff, so it's not a big deal for me. Overall a pretty good experience, I prefer FSN, but this was enjoyable nonetheless.

Now I suppose there's only one main Fate work left to see, Fate/Zero, well it's a spin-off by a different author but it seems most people still regard it as a core work, I've also heard it's very good so I'm looking forward to it. I think I'll take a break from Fate stuff for a while though, I'll check some other TM works instead, I think I'll check out Kara no Kyoukai, I've heard it's good. I'll probably check out the movies rather than read the LNs, I've heard before that they're better and I've done a lot of reading by now, I want to see some animated stuff.

>>22116720
Godo's coworker is literally man-bear-lion-tiger-oh-my-with-lazer-eyes and the drunken angel chick from the bar wants to get into his pants, so I guess so.

>>22081234
Should I watch EoE before or after Mahoyo?

>>22117327
I think it won't matter much, related to Mahoyo.
The little influence that Evangelion had on Nasu was more on Notes than his Nasuverse.

>>22117363
There is plenty of character influence between the two.

>>22117525
The visual influence was negated because Takeuchi didn't make the illustrations, so that is one out.
Although the trio Kuudere, Tsundere and Boy Prodigy is there, they are still very unique and not that mentally broken.

>>22117327
I'd say after, as if you already know TM you can then see what and where Nasu took from it.
NGE before EoE, of course.

>>22117583
Of course they are still very unique between both, but they are inspired by them, as said by Nasu.
Viauals aren't as meaningful anyway.

>>22117363
Notes did take from it thematically and somewhat aesthetically, but Notes is basically it's own thing at this point.
For all we know it might be completely retconned eventually.

going by the no case files discussion I assume it was bad to mediocore.

>>22118977
Honestly just haven't watched it yet

>>22114555
It's more. One of her first scenes is bringing Shiki double curry.

>>22118977
seems like they spent most of their budget on VAs instead of the animation
and their bugdet probably isn't even big

Release date on Tsukihime Remake when?

>>22120232

>>22120232
As soon as I kill Nasu and Takeuchi and become the new CEO and scenario writer.

>>22118977
I liked it, but I didn't watch it until just a couple of hours ago.