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Can we delete this post? I messed up the OP

Just got the Higurashi steam release cause it's free on steam, going for a reread.
Is the option to put on the original sprites going to make me miss out on CG/Voices?

>>23815868
I think it only changes the sprites
and voices are not in the default version. You need the mod for them https://07th-mod.com/home/

>>23816600
Thanks.

DDLC subreddit - 150k subscribers
Higurashi + Umineko subreddits - 4k subscribers
sad

>>23816706
who gives a damn about subreddits and their shit tastes

hey hey /07/
a new thread a last

>>23816706
I mean higu isn't exactly a gimmicky dating sim with a twist

Kanon only exists because Sayo thought Battler might have gone gay.

Saku confirms Erikantrice.
Kanon -> Beato and kills Shannon.
If Shannon suicides she can't put the stake on herself.

>>23820857
Your erikantrice theory is an elaborate cope to justify your (perfectly normal) feelings for Kanon-kun by claiming he's a "tomboy".

>>23815868
>Is the option to put on the original sprites going to make me miss out on CG/Voices?
Voices kinda ruin the atmosphere in Higurashi.

And the CGs are almost all poorly drawn garbage that takes you out of the story, especially that one in Minagoroshi. God, what were they thinking? Not to mention they don't look anything like the OG sprites because they completely changed Takano and Shion's designs, so it's even more jarring.

>>23821723
Yeah, I realized that after I put the voices in, prefered it without voices, but it feels like i'm missing out on glorious stuff like Rena yelling about sodas.

>>23823105
That's what the anime is for.

>>23820857
Shkerikannon doesn't forbid demale Kanon.

Ok, this may be stupid, but what are the odds, that Ciconia is another game played by witches, just like Higurashi was.

It's Friday or as I like to call it:

autism awareness Friday

>>23818645
Kanon exists because Jessica is a cute tomboy

>>23824442
Ciconia is Lambda's origin story.

>>23824442
That would be lame IMO hope It's humanity vs forces of causality

>>23826022
07th expansion's circle now includes Nick Land.

when will 07 expand into the territories of 06 and 08? How many years has this expansion been going on with no results? It's still just 07! It's high time we take this expansion of 07's rule seriously.

ERIKANTRICE
manifesto:https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS
booru:https://erikce.booru.org

George and Kanon are the culprit in all the games
Ikuko is yasu
Battler isnt gay
Erika is kanon

THIS IS THE TRUE SOLUTION OF UMINEKO

if someone know a way to make japanese find out about my theory pls tell to me

>>23821211
same you belive in shkanontrice because you want make umineko a trans story then ERIKA A STRANGER HAVE 0 REASON TO KILL 5 PEOPLE BUT NOT BATTLER.

my theory give dignity to the mystery part anon

>>23820857
Really?
when it exit in english
finnally ryukishi give heavy riddles

>>23820857
>If Shannon suicides she can't put the stake on herself.
i am italian anon and not
in kyrie tips we discover that if you are shot in the stomach you dont die immediately.
So Shannon can shot herself in the stomach and put the stack into herself in the time before death

Just how much does Satoko actually wa?

Did anyone here read The Neverending Story? It's an amazing book. It's very similar to Umineko. It's meta-fiction disguised as a fantasy story. It talks a lot about the power of imagination and writing/authorship.

Hell, it even has an equally terrible adaptation that completely misses the point and gives it a reputation of being mediocre, making it hard for casuals to even get interested in reading the original material.

Is the voice acting the same in the Steam version as in the Switch version (Regarding higurashi) ? At least on the Switch version the voice acting fits pretty well imo, and the art is nice. Though I agree that the new art in the Steam version is really ugly compared to the console art.

Also anyone else excited for the Umineko release on nintendo switch?

>>23827530
I haven't ready it but I remember that besides the '84 movie there were 2 more tv adaptations and I liked them as a kid. Or it was 2 seasons of 1 series. They were probably between terrible and mediocre but I have good memories from that time and I don't want to it destroy it by rewatching them.

As for the book, thanks for reminding it even exists. It will probably take a while till I have a time to look at it but I hope I won't forget by then.

>>23827530
>>23828264
I remember that weird ass thing. The thing I remember most was the breast on statues and long dog. Might go get it when I have the ability to get it.

>>23827971
There is no voice acting in the steam version??? What are you talking about?

I'm about to read Higurashi for the first time because Episode 1 was free on steam. Can someone tell me what the best way to experience the story is with the 07th mod? Whats the best combo of sprites/backgrounds/voices/etc. If there is no generally agreed upon "best" way, what are the pros and cons of the different options?

>>23827348
The Witch Hunt said they were translating Saku and Ciconia phase 1 at the same time.
Ciconia came out, so it should be soon.

>>23827414
>Shannon can shot herself in the stomach and put the stack into herself in the time before death
Saku reveals that the stake is put in after the victim got shot. So basicly the victim gets shot first and stake is put in where the hole is at. The bullet must be picked out before put in the stake.
>Kanon fakes his death, escapes the room and locks it by a master key hidden on him.
>Beato dismisses Kanon before shoot Shannon on her head, walks out the Chapel just as shown.
>Shannon got shot on her head and immediately died. The gun was slipped down to the underground of the chapel by a rope connected to a dumbbell in reality.
>There's still a high possibility that Saku is written by Ikuko. Based on the second part "Last Note".
Eureka.

>>23828618
There is no general consensus, and asking the question will just start shit with purists. The "best" way is whatever combination you find to be more enjoyable for yourself. I personally prefer voices + og sprites + switch backgrounds (which I apply a filter to through photoshop to fit the original atmosphere better) but no cgs.

>>23828815
>The bullet must be picked out before put in the stake.
if shannon after the hit in the stomach was alive then is possible
with her bare hands she enter in the hole and take the bullet then put the stake in the hole

difficult but possible so POSSIBLE

>>23827348
>ERIKA A STRANGER HAVE 0 REASON TO KILL 5 PEOPLE BUT NOT BATTLER.

I agree. If discussed with canon-supporters they give variying answers (went crazy, being facinated by the Epitaph or paranoia are the most common). Doing a heel-face turn in Umineko must means something because Beatrice is potrayed as the heroine and I don't mean Battler slowly sympathize with her. SHe is stuck in the same dilemma in every game and set her plan into stone. Erika(or Virgillius) is just a small number on Beatrice' roulette in case a random stranger stranded on Rokkenjima.
Erika is Tohya's wish a stranger murdered the family and Beatrice is actually nice and loveable (well she is a wife of the territory lord).
He just don't know they are both the same person.

Jessica grinding against Kanon-kun's corners.

>>23831206
yeap Tohya solved the first 4 mystery but not the 5th so when he create a mystery with erika fall in his own logic error because he didnt knew about erika=kanon.
fucking KINO

>>23831699
Tohya missed the other possibility that the Anti-Natsuhi party could be fooled, too. Rosa and the cousins could be killed in the first night. Battler just used a different interpretation of Lambda's red truth timing.

>>23828611
Ah sorry lol I wasn't aware, I just thought it had voice acting since the console versions have it

>>23832583
Yeah steam version is all og only it has an option for mangagamer sprites. You need 07th-mod for the switch graphics/voice.

>>23828264
The book is a meta story, quite decent, not perfect by any mean, but interesting.

The Disney adaptation was... well, not entirely without merit. Until you get the "teenage girl comedy" of Neverending Story 3, which I'd advise you to watch only because it's the equivalent of making a chapter of LoTR an episode of Friends, and that's both retarded and the most fun you could imagine.

But yeah, the Neverending Story is quite different in themes from the adaptation, and quite decent altogether.

Damn, I just thought it was alright before but now I REALLY love the Ciconia OP. It has this feeling... I think the best word to describe it is 'fresh'. It makes me feel very hype.

>>23827530
I read it as a kid and it was an amazing read. Wonder whether it still holds up.

>>23827530
I love that book, but Momo is much more underrated. And it has a good adaptation with a cute loli as the lead, although it's not quite as good as the book.

>>23827530
You forgot to mention that both adaptations stop halfway through the story.

>>23831611
Jessica is Takuji, they are both desk-fuckers. Except Takuji actually got to do the deed while Jessica died a virgin.

>>23834848
I love the Ciconia OP too. It sounded weird at first, but now it's my favorite.

The neverending story still holds up in my opinion. It's full of symbolism and shit. The only "boring" part is when Bastian starts changing himself into a Gary Stu, since it's quite slow at first. But once he meets the lion and starts going full megalomaniac indian prince it becomes the best part of the book.

>>23834848
Yeah, you have to listen to the full version of the OP a few times before it clicks.

>>23815868
i want to fuck chloe

Does Gunhild have a hairy pussy or is she too much of a slut?

I was just testing out the mod for Higurashi before I started reading, and I see the option to change the character sprites but no option to change the backgrounds back to the original. Do I need to reinstall the mod or is there something I'm missing?

The girls don't deserve this humiliation

>>23837683
Backgrounds don't have the option to switch on the fly. You'll have to rename the folders. Rename CGs to whatever and OldCGs to CGs. Could be wrong on the names, not at my computer at the moment.

The cutest chair in the world.

>>23838580
CUTE TOMBOY

>>23839040

>>23839040
Cute boy.

Ciconia really is Rose Guns Days part 2, huh

>>23839262
>>23839272

fuck off
Erikantrice show that fap on Kanon IS NOT GAY!!!!

>>23839396
>Using anime screenshots

I wonder how RM will react to this?

>>23839350
In an aesthetic sense sure but I think thematically it's completely different. RGD had none of this hard scifi stuff going on

>>23841224
sauce?

>>23841224
Who the fuck is RM?

>>23842537
It's from the Tsumihoroboshi manga.

>>23824442
He's not subtle about it. Did you also miss that Toujirou Mitake -> Tomitake Jirou? Or that Seshat has the Featherine/Hanyuu horns? Or that Warcat's insignia is a black cat with a scythe?

>>23827530
Oh man I watched the crap out of the old movie adaptation of that as a kid, I should read the book.

>>23843647
i want to put my finger in miyaos mouth

You have to give it to Italian anon. Not many people so far in the closet they'd write an entire manifesto to prove they're not gay.

>>23839396
Cope.

>>23843737
I wish I was inside a closet with Kanon.

>>23844374
Then you must go inside erika mind

>>23839396
No bullshit, ten years ago, I literally predicted Shannon=Kanon over a very flimsy pretence. I heard PBSaffran did the same thing, and it disgusted him of Umineko, so yeah, at least I'm not alone.

The idea (EP1) was that Elevens like their trans and traps, Shannon and Kanon shares a name, so they're probably the same, right? And going with the Jap tropes, it is obvious one is the other, right? It was literally my thought reading the first 6 hours of EP1.

I always laugh when PBSaffran says the same thing. It wasn't really something nobody could have thought at the time. It's really obvious.

>>23845648
>Shannon and Kanon shares a name
this is the problem
Shannon=Kanon born from the higurashi theory Mion=Shion so is logical that many people who remember that suspect about them be the same person

so i cant belive R07 really use these a trick from a fan theory of his old game.
st least Erika and Kanon have different name and different personality, then parents meet erika just for 1 or 2 days not 4 years so i think discover Erika=Kanon was difficult not only for us but even for the characters in the VN.

>>23845762
Where are the clues? They have to be obvious.

>>23846062
who?
shanno and kanon or erika and Kanon

i just feel strange that ushiromiya family are fucking idiot that in 4 years 2 person with the same personality ,name and dress are the same person, not even Jessica and george not even Eva who dont try to spy the woman who try to steal george from her.


there are many riddle to erika = kanon
>same body shape no gigant fake tits
>when Maria saw Erika made the same comments when she saw Kanon
>only erika can speak with him during ep5 and she never see him during Ep6
>the logic error can be solved even if next room over window is closed
ecc...
All riddles that a detective could use to discover it

If the anon with the loli cousin reads this: can you make her cosplay as Bernkastel? I won't question were the tail is connected to, promise.

>>23846185
Genji schedules the servants' shifts so that Shannon and Kanon aren't on the island most of the time. Kanon only appears after Battler doesn't send a letter to Shannon. They have only had to deceive the Ushiromiyas once before 1986.

>>23846466
Jessica was Shannon friend and she loved Kanon
Krauss and Natsuhi inspect and strictly control the servants.
ecc
this are plotholes of Shakanontrice, for Accept Shakanontrice we must explain many things with "this person is dumb and dont notice" not the best solution for a mystery

>>23843647
There'll be some food for Umineko autists, but he isn't actually gonna make it some retarded witches' game.
Also how the fuck do you post these while missing that Koshka means "cat" in Russian and how often miracles are mentioned for her. She's obviously the Rika expy that'll be soon reborn in Rika-like body.

>>23843647
>Or that Seshat has the Featherine/Hanyuu horns?
it's poorly drawn cat ears

Does Seshat have a super obscene hairy pussy? If so, how can she be so smug? That's kinda cringe.

>>23847773
that's what Ryukishi wants you to think

>>23848050
She's smug because her pussy hair is groomed and shiny.

>>23848924
Still looks ridiculous, though. Naked girls look dumb af.

I want to stick my stake of lust inside Kanon-kun's virgin shota ass!

>>23850246
AHEM.......virgin tomboy vagina

>>23850663
No. Virgin boy anus.

>>23847761
>but he isn't actually gonna make it some retarded witches' game.
Actually showing witches and the metaworld would be out of theme and turn it into Umineko 9 instead of Ciconia 1.
But of course, there's no need to. Just the presence of Vier Dreissig tells us that Lambdadelta is in play. Expect nothing to go wrong for the Truth team unless a miracle occurs.

>>23814610
can someone post erika with nosebleed pls
i need it

>>23851493
thanks me later anon

>>23851671
Damn, I'm not normally gay but I would make sweet love with this cute boy.

Sonozaki Zion, the third Sonozaki sister

>>23852059
hands off my husbando

>>23846062
The obvious clue is when Maria met Erika for the first time.
"Uuuuu, can't find Maria's rose"
Erika did something that would be out-of-character that would make Maria happy. Oc the reader would forget this because the "true" nature of Erika is shown after Jessica is annoyed by her behaviour.

>>23852229
Based ErikantriceKnigth

>>23852059
>normally gay

yasu is such a cute boy bros if I were Battler I would simply marry him

>>23853130
her she is a cute tomboy
Battler isnt gay

what's with all the hate for umineko lately? is it the PS4/switch ports? is it the mangagamer translation? is it the DDLC fanboys? is it gold edition? or is it just newfags seething over funposting in general?

On the subject of Higurashi bgs, in an earlier thread some anon was showing Higurashi console backgrounds with the blurry photo filters from the original, and having seen them, I unironically think that's the best way to experience Higurashi. You get the best of both worlds: the ethereal, impressionistic atmosphere of the original backgrounds with the high-quality, custom-made anime art of the remakes.

Now we just need somebody to do a professional recolor of Ryukishi's original sprites, Ciconia-style, and we can make Higurashi: Kamige Edition.

>>23855493
I don't think there's any particular hate for Umineko, it's just that these generals have been discussing practically nothing but Umineko for, what, a decade now? Personally, I'm happy to see Ryukishi's other works getting the love they deserve.

god i need more chloe porn fuck

Honestly i need more kannon sexy leg pics

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G58Ud_YG4Gw
the single best part of ciconia

>>23857680
Man, we need more Chloe overall, I hope that she has some bigger impact on the story.

>>23858374
Phase 2 when

>>23858374
https://youtu.be/T1YKBD526hU
I also really liked this one.

>>23814645
yes

>>23855493
I've been on an Umineko mood if anything as of late.
I just convinced my friend to play through it and we've been playing the witch's game on Discord, me with red and him with blue. It has been exceedingly amusing to see him try and reach the truth.
He did eventually reach the idea of alternate personas, albeit rather than complete alter egos he just went with the idea that an alias can be shed and therefore proclaimed "dead" in red. And I wasn't gonna counter that and risk a logic error.

>>23863706
I wish I had had a friend like that.

>>23863706
Well, let's hope your friend won't be spoiled by the internet.

>>23858898
>>23858374
https://streamable.com/uckcs

>>23863733
He spoiled himself on Higurashi, learning that Rika is older/living through repeating worlds through reading a fucking H doujin of all things.
He's been a lot more cautious about Umineko.

>>23858374
Can Mario restore Ange's dignity after what humiliation anon has turned her character into?

>>23863780
>Kanon
>not the zero in her roulette

>>23864312
This reminds me of that interview where Horii said he would like to remove Jami the rapehorse from any future DQ5 remakes because he doesn't like what the character has become in the eyes of the fanbase (there are at least 20 doujins of this horse raping Bianca and cucking the hero).

>>23858602
ciconia has the most fuckable cast in general

>>23863780
Well, now you spoiled me.

>>23863706
LMAO
Shannon isnt yasu
a secondary character without development cat be the culprit
Kanon figth, rebel against destiny ,he is important in the story meanwhile Shannon
>Muh george
her character exist only in function of george, so her is a good motive for George culprit but not the culprit

>>23864361
Ryukishi has the right kind of humour to incorporate fan culture into his writing, so his characters are bulletproof against being ruined too much by recontextualization.
Beato being the exception, I think. Once people began spelling out how she backed herself into a corner by refusing to talk to her friends or own up to her mistakes, her public image really went down the drain.

>>23864543
Both Kanon and Shannon are incomplete. If your problem with Shannon is that she gives in to destiny while Kanon rebels, just remember they were made to be as different as possible.
I don't know why I'm poking the erikanontrice guy.

>>23863780
Is battler 0?

>>23864571
Most likely either Battler or Kinzo. I feel like Kinzo would be the better 0, for being the origin of the Ushiromiya and already dead and all that.

>>23864548
im pretty sure beato was meant to be a failure and a foil to ange getting better

>>23864558
>made to be as different as possible.
ERIKA IS TOTAL DIFFERENT FROM KANON
Shannon is just introvert like him and dress equal CMON

>>23864753
Key words are "as possible". Sayo has a limit of tolerance in her being. Where Shannon is optimistic, but internally despairing, Kanon is pessimistic, but internally hopeful. They are mirrors, not a completely unrelated ego with no links whatsoever.

>>23864729
The "tragic victim of circumstance"-reading is far more prevalent, though. To them, Beato being written as a cute, charismatic love interest for Battler overrides everything else.

>>23864794
>kanon is hopeful inside
HE REFUSE THE GOLDREN BROCH , INSIDE HE IS EVEN WORST

shannon and kanon are both depressed servants who want marry a master but they cant for muh class status

but at least Kanon have other scene then muh jessica, scene that he is the MC who figth the devil like a hero meanwhile Shannon just muh george.

Kanon is an important character shannon just the supporting one of George

>>23864920
Kanon wishes to be happy with Jessica. He is just very afraid, very reluctant, because that is Yasuda's true nature, which none of their alter egos can escape. Inside he still has a dream of happiness, no matter how much he denies it. He just refuses the help of his other selves to reach for that happiness.

>>23864963
>Battler: what girl i like? tomboy, blind hair , extroverse like Jessica
this is why Kanon fall in love with Jessica, not becuase he love her but because for him Battler was too important for her , she try to forgot him with a male idenity but true love cant be forgot.

>>23864994
Wait, I'm confused. Why is Battler important to Yasuda if they're not Shannon? Shannon was the one who got flirted to.

>>23864994
Did Battler have a crush on Jessica? She's the only girl he knew who fit his description, so that's where he got his image of an ideal girl from, right?

>>23865059
he inherited Kinzos blood the most strongly, so

>>23865059
Jessica was only 12 at the time and had no tits
the manga says he got it from Rudolf's porn

>>23865082
what a boring no-love explanation

>>23865035
Really?
we know that people think that Battler 6 years ago declare his love to Shannon, but is the true?
Maybe Battler wanted people think that he love shannon and not """another person"""" because if the leader of this family discover about her bad things could happened
>>23865059
Bullshit, we know that Battler fall in love with a shy girl who love mystery novel like him.

>>23865059
He had a crush on Shannon.
>>23865082
Fuck the manga. Even if it's canon.

That's a really tall Rika

>>23865568
young Stella

>>23864864
Trannies think Beato is one of them. Somehow. And in SJW fashion, the tranny/homo/female/black character can't be genuinely fucked up, they always have to be interpreted as victims of circumstance with a pure heart. They view characters as tools to push their political agenda.

>>23865120
The manga is canon to the manga, not to the VN. You can take what you want and discard what you don't like.

>>23865568
mion aged well

>>23865568
I really don't like this interpretation of the Bus Stop chacters. Rika and Mion appeared to be the same height and age in the original silhouette sprites. They were like 13 or 14.

I also don't like how they created entirely new designs for the other characters. They were originally silhouettes of Ooishi, Akasaka, etc. Like expies in a bizarro alternate version of Higurashi. That was more fun than what making them totally unrelated characters with new faces.

>>23865671
Bus Stop featured a creepy Tomitake expy who is an author and may or may not be Oyashiro-sama. Also an expy of Akasaka that falls victim to the disease because he has a childhood trauma from when he shit himself in class and everyone mocked him for years.

Just finished reading Masuribayashi a couple of days ago so which chapters apart from the main 8 are also worth checking into?

>>23865742
Rei (I think?) is pretty good. Though I just watched the DEEN OVA. Whichever one had Satoko being beaten with a chair. Is the original even translated?

>>23865742
Saikoroshi (from Higurashi Rei) is the epilogue and and basically arc 9. It connects to Umineko and also finished Rika's character arc in a very satisfying way. There is a fan translation patch out there that is actually pretty decent.

Everything else is interesting to read (mostly the Hou stuff. The console arcs are NOT written by Ryu) but Saikoroshi feels like an integral part of the story.

>>23865778
The DEEN OVA was pretty shit and kind of missed the point. Which is understandable since they spent the entire series ignoring Bernkastel's existence, glorifying the violence and skipping the internal monologues. The best parts of it were lost in the OVA.

If anyone here is a preservationist, keep in mind that if you save random images from 4chan while using a phone, you are not actually saving the full size versions. It may look like they are full size when you click on them and open them on their own separate tab, but it's actually a weird resize only available on phone. It is impossible to save the full size image on a phone if it's too big. Save a big image on PC and phone and compare the filesize. It's different.

This means that unique images posted in these threads might be saved by phoneposters and reposted in the future as slightly resized versions, causing the original to be lost forever as PC-posters unknowingly save the resized versions posted by these people.

>>23865865
Do the apps have this issue or just browser? I don't think many people browse 4chan on mobile without an app.

shouldn't her name be Furud Erika

Just got to Chapter 2 of Higurashi and installing the voice patch, but theres an extra option that wasn’t there for the first. OST remake: Yay or Nay?

>>23863706
>the witch's game on Discord, me with red and him with blue.
Huh?

>>23866101
God no.

>>23865618
is that what the golden truth is?

>>23865671
Manga version of Bus Stop is older than PC Hou version and Switch Hou version uses same designs as Manga version.

>>23866291
He makes hypotheses in blue and I cut them down with red, until he creates something close enough to the truth that I cannot kill his theories. I limited myself to using only the red the game did, or a little bit extra, and tried to avoid using more information than Beatrice would.

>>23870584
So you're preparing him for your eventual confession of love

>>23872200
No it's just a game we're having fun!

>>23872200
Beatrice never confessed to Battler. He just had to remember.

>>23872751
Your reminder made sense of >>23872588 for me, so thank you, truly. I understand you now beatrice rp anon.

>>23870584
God, I wish the person who pitched me Umineko did this with me. Too late now.

uuuu maria no bara maria no bara uuuuu

>>23875158
uuuu sakutarou wa watashi no tomodachi (uryuu!)

>>23875158
>>23875359
I can't bring myself to like her, even the loli aspect is not good enough. She deserves everything Rosa did.

I wish to mate with Ange's breasts.

>>23875438
Rosa is used goods and objectively the worst mom.

>>23875578
Natsuhi throws babies off cliffs

>>23875735
Why was Natsuhi forced to adopt it in the first place? Hmm?

>>23875735
Seeing what that baby grew into, she didn't fling it hard enough

miyao what are you doing

How the fuck did Ryuukishi make the Ciconia girls so perfect? They LITERALLY shit all over the Umineko and even Higurashi girls. Except maybe Mion, Ange and Satoko.

Even if the witches' red truth say Kanon-kun's body is incapable of love. Even if, I still believe in his masculinity. No one can take that away from me. That is the Endless Magic.

I believe in the penis that is inside Kanon-kun's heart!

just finished umineko today
pretty good, ending kinda weak

5 > 4 > 1 > 6 > 8 > 3 > 2 > 7

nyihihi~ wowowow meowmeow miaow *sparkle* >< 0///0 o/ meow meow wowowwowow au-au-au uuuu nipah~* uuuu-uuu ooOoOOHoHohohoooo

>>23877054
nigger

How are you supposed to change the voice volume in the voice-only patch for Higurashi? The voices are really low in chapter 2 compared to chapter 1.

>>23877054
EEEEEEEEEEEP!

>>23877001
ok now discover the real true of umineko
erikantrice
ERIKA IS KANON THIS IS WHY SHE DIDNT SAW NOTHING IN THE CLOSET
rea the manifesto here
https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS
>>23876964
Kanun cute tomboy pussy you mean

>>23877001
you got it backwards
7 > 2 > 3 > 8 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 5

Riposa, riposa in pace.
Nel racconto che ho scritto, puoi volare in libertà.
Ecco il mio ultimo incantesimo, affinché la tua luce non conosca ombra.

Sleep peacefully, my most beloved witch, Beatrice.

>>23877122
pls help

>>23878008
>In the story that I wrote, you can fly in freedom

This song made the ending so much better It's insane

>>23878134
you alright, anon?

>>23878306
I just want to play chapter 2 with voices man. Why would they add an easy way to control the volume in the menu for the full patch and add nothing in the voice patch? It doesn’t make sense. And the voices are so low I can barely hear anything.

>>23878349
Turn everything else down until they match the voices? Alternatively, have you checked the files for the patch? I'm coincidentally playing a different game with a voice patch, and you can only control the voice volume through an ini file, maybe there's something like that going on here.

Just how flat is Gunhild's arse?

Waowow.

>>23878395
Wait, Gunhild has an ass? I couldn't even tell.

>>23865914
Better : Freud Erika

>>23814610

Wow. Ryukishi actually create a forum on his site to discuss about Umineko https://web.archive.org/web/20071011004423/http://rena07.com/Cgi/umi_cbbs/umicbbs.cgi

ciconia 2 when

>>23880487
When the storks cry.

Does anyone have that old early 2000s site someone posted a year ago? It was called 07th tokan or something like that. It was full of super old fanart of Higurashi and early Umineko in a style similar to Ryu's. And there were hundreds of pictures.

That's the kind of shit Japs love to nuke out of nowhere for no reason, so it would be a good idea to preserve them.

>>23880350
There is a thread about maria no bara.

>>23877317
chloe's chloes

>>23865059
Ideal ≠ necessarily have a crush.

>>23876425
Not even one quadrillionth percent similar.
I would be glad to see some Meow/Jayden slashfic. Sadly there's literally none.

>>23880350
>tfw click in and realize this is something archived that I've known only existed almost 13 years ago.
>intensifies when all those fanfictions and analysis were lost.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/201709

Satoggo.

>>23878008
don't make me cry again

>>23878696
How can such a cute little girl have something as obscene as an ass?

The fact that Jessica is the type to say "kiss my ass!" to someone is pretty lewd. Using that phrase as an insult is basically admitting that kissing someone's ass is disgusting or undesirable. And she's telling that person to kiss her ass to disrespect them. She's literally admitting that her hot ass can be considered disgusting in some way, shape or form! Pathetic! It's self-humiliation!

Repeat it in red!
"The wooden doors at the Auschwitz gas chamber form a perfect seal"
"It is impossible for gas to escape from the chamber when the door is closed"

GO ON SAY "UU-UU-UU" ONE MORE TIME

>>23883592
uu.... UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

reading tsubasa rn
based battler ntring his uncles lol

>>23881580
Well then you'll be glad because this IS Meow and she is sucking Jason's dick.

>>23884841
I'm sorry

Jayden

>>23884841
>>23884852
Jason, filming Meow sucking his dick, commands while laughing, "Say it to the camera... just like I told you."

Meow takes the dick out of her mouth, drool pouring down her lips and chin, "I'm sorry Jayden."

>>23884841
I was about to say "oh look, it's gay madoka", but...

AHEM.....BERN IS THE PAWN OF ERIKA
in ep6 when erika died she disappier and reappears in the cemetery of abandoned pawns when her mistress Ikuko (yasu) calls her back

>>23882188
There's no proof that an ass is there

Why did Irie kill himself?

>>23886129
satoko meido withdrawal

there once was a bullied loli
she was bullied so much that everyone died
the end

>>23883724
*slap* *slap* *slap* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*slap*AAAAAAAAAAAAA*slap*AAAAAAAAAAA*slap*AAAA*slap*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHH *slap* *slap* *slap*

>>23886564
Diplomatic Immunity

>>23884474
As expected of Kinzo's grandson

>>23884474
>italian faggot shitposting on /a/
>can't outspam the spam
kwab

>>23884474
>>23886686
Dumb frogposters

>>23886129
He got Epstein'd.

Taking the butterfly effect into account, just how many different worlds did Rika accidentally create during Higurashi?

Every arc could lead to a completely different future for the human race 100 years later, just because someone died or didn't die, or because someone wore a different shirt and that influenced their following thoughts in a domino effect. Especially if you consider inventions or scientific advances and shit that may be discovered much sooner or much later depending on random factors.

Hell, Rika simply saying hi to someone at the store could have massive repercussions for humanity down the line, since everyone is connected and eventually interacts with everyone else in the world in an indirect way.

Does anyone else consider Ryuukishi07 their favorite author despite his flaws?

I'm a huge book reader, but I still respect this guy more than any other author. Sure, I love a lot of books, and some of them shit all over any VN in writing quality, but I still like Ryu's novels more than anything else.

>>23887813
I also think his writing quirks are pretty comfy and charming. He repeats himself a lot and his prose is a bit amateurish, but I like how you can clearly tell something is written by him just by reading a single page.

>>23887813
Rereading Umineko a good eight years after my first readthrough made it a lot more refreshing, understanding just how much of it was Sayo wanting to be understood, how much was Touya denying the memories in his head, and so on. I remember disliking EP8's ending, or feeling a little unsatisfied without getting a "true Rokkenjima" sort of timeline, but after so long I'm more comforted with that now.
I've always loved Higurashi and love it still, of course. And now having digested Ciconia six months later I find myself deeply pondering the cast and who might have faces yet unseen.
I don't know if I'd say he's my absolute favorite author of all time (Sorry R07 but you are not Alexandre Dumas), but definitely at least my #2 among japanese authors.

>>23887813
From everything I've read so far it's all amazing. I will say his my favorite author but I also haven't read a whole lot compared to my brother. He currently loves Higurashi as well and I told him to hold off on Umineko until he can find time to read it. I've watched the anime only remember the towers and 'her' heart and thought it was okay at the time with me being around 13 or 14. I'm still reading his stuff and like the differences from the pace. And like what another anon said, he repeats a lot but I like that charm. I still have a lot to read with Second night of Higanbana, RGD, Ciconia, and Umineko but so far it's so good. The best parts of Higanbana written were so much better than most of the anime of Higurashi but the writing of higurashi is already so much better. That's how I put it in my head. Come here time to time to see what's good and see things that might change what I know but that's okay. All fun here. and lust for Miyao, a lot of that as well.

The music was beautiful

The setpiece was beautiful

The ending was beautiful

The explanations were beautiful

But the corpses, the questions, the interlude of silence, the goats, the frodos

They were not so beautiful

A happy ending, an esoteric ending. An ending so beautiful, all one had to do was tear out their heart to enjoy itl.

Not truly knowing - not truly growing - Isn't that beautiful?

The clenched knuckles, the dignity of the retarded. The simpleton who cannot accept "love" stands in the way, to ruin everything.

>>23887813
Yes. He's one of the few if any creators I can say I'm strongly committed to following. I'll read anything he puts out, and I enjoy what I read thus far without exception

>>23887813
Slightly unrelated but has anyone read any visual novels with actually good writing. Not talking about plot and conceit or whstever, just writing prose that can stand on its own against something like a literary novel. Maybe something is lost in translation but I haven't really read anything as I described

>>23887967
>Alexandre Dumbass
Why would his parents name him that?

>>23887813
He's single-handedly made me like reading again after I lost my love for it 15 years ago, so yeah, probably. I have a soft spot for any writer who has a deep understanding of people and appreciation of humanity, and while I don't think he transcends all of them in that sense, he's more consistently good than the majority.

>>23888448
I actually feel the opposite way: much is lost when translating from English or just about any other language into my own (a language that happens to be terrible for prose), which is the reason why I fell out of love with books years ago. My priorities in reading these days revolve around people and interactions between them, as opposed to conflicts and their resolution, so I'd actually put a fair few VNs above the vast majority of books, even those that people often call great.

>>23888258
jessica's short and revealing skirt was beautiful

>>23886686
>>23884474

>>23888505
I understand your preference but I dont think good writing is mutually exclusive from good dialogue

>>23888677
Hence why I call them personal priorities. I'm going into this with the knowledge that it's an unpopular opinion.

>>23888448
Not really. But I don't care about prose as much as other people (looking at you R*nall you insufferable killjoy).

I mean, I love it when the prose is good/beautiful, which happens once in a while in most VNs and quite often in "real" literature. I appreciate it a lot. But I seriously don't care if the prose is nothing special as long as the characters, story and dialog are good.

I don't care too much about the actual plots themselves either (as opposed to the story built around that plot). It's nice if the plot is complex and interesting to think about, but it's far from a big deal to me and certainly not enough to make me like a book. The story is way more important to me than the actual events that take place or the lore/mechanics of the universe.

So yeah, I appreciate good prose when it's there and it certainly improves a book, but it's not really an important element to me. I read stories to learn about interesting worlds, experience good stories, meet likeable characters and feel emotions, not to compliment the author on his excellent use of language.

It may have to do with the fact that I have slight aphantasia or something. Which is apparently very common? I'm not sure. I have a great imagination, daydream a lot, come up with tons of stories and can reproduce music in my head with 100% accuracy. But I can't see vivid images in my mind's eye for shit. Only if I'm dreaming, never consciously.

If I try to imagine my grandma's face, I see it in my mind's eye but very faintly and only lasts for a split second. I have to constantly recreate the image over and over again, but it always lasts a split second and I can't focus on any details. I'm literally seeing her face exactly as it is IRL, nothing is missing, but I can't really tell if her nose is big or small or make out any details, even though I'm literally seeing all those details clearly in my head for that split second. It just gets tiring to try and keep the image from vanishing. It happens with every object, not just faces. I can picture this >>23888258 Jessica sprite in my head, with all the details and color, but I can't really "see" it as an image. It just keeps flickering and I can't focus on the details, so I couldn't tell you what color her tie is or how long her ponytail is, even though I'm literally seeing all of it in my head as a picture for that split second.

Does anyone else have this? Do you also suck at drawing? Do you also find it easier to imagine objects/images with your eyes open? I really struggle to even get a flickering image with my eyes closed, it's like the darkness shuts down my mind's eye and makes it impossible to visualize anything. I have a much easier time imagining visuals when my eyes are already receiving visual information, so I just stare into space when I want to imagine someone's face or some piece of art I remember.

This why I don't really enjoy authors like Tolkien, who spend pages and pages describing the environment, the contents of a room or a character's clothes and facial features. By the time he's done describing the shape of the leaves on a tree, I have already forgotten all the other shit like the color of the mushrooms or whatever. Not really forgotten, but more like... I just can't construct a clear mental picture of the scenery/character in my head, because it keeps flickering and by the time I'm adding the fourth element, the first has already disappeared.

I really dislike prose-heavy writers who are ALSO big on description. It just confuses and bores me because I can never picture what the author is trying to describe in so much detail. I prefer vague descriptions that give you the key parts and let you imagine the rest as you wish.

>>>/pol/258097539

Why is humiliation anon invading /pol/ threads about a dead teenage girl and turning them into humiliation threads? I never expected to run into him there lol

>>23888877
I'm with you on most counts, yeah. It'd probably be considered an unpopular opinion if you mentioned it to someone who's well-versed in western literature though, simply because writers' (and readers') priorities are so different there.

Aphantasia is certainly something that can really hurt your enjoyment of wordy books for sure, especially those that are heavily reliant on prose and lengthy descriptions (exactly kind that you said you dislike), but past a certain point I think it just comes down to personal preference and what you're used to.

I have the same issues though, and it's one of the reasons why I abandoned my efforts to learn drawing as it was making the experience deeply stressful and unenjoyable. It certainly doesn't help that, in spite of my imagination, I have no creativity whatsoever and have a very practical mind when it comes to anything other than people and the way they feel.

>>23888998
>ctr + f [lewd]
nice

Btw. Why are you browsing /pol/ ? That place sucks :[

>>23888877
>author introduces a character
>gives brief description of his appearance, no mention of any hat
>create a rough mental picture of him
>50 pages later, the character "takes off his hat"
I hate when this shit happens. It forces me to reimagine the previous 50 pages to add in that stupid hat that he was apparently wearing the whole time.

>>23888998
I hope he doesn't come back here and I hope I don't have to read any of his posts again.

>>23888998
Wow, he was sure going off in there. What a treasure

>>23888998
Jesus christ that girl is beautiful. Why did she have to die like a dumbass?

Umineko is just Lost but the people are related.

"Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water. When she closed her eyes at last, Dany did not know whether she would be strong enough to open them again."

Is George RR Martin humiliation anon? Btw, it's a crying shame that Daenerys was aged up in the adaptation. She was 13 in the book.

>Is a ghost who doesn't need to shit nor fart
>Chooses the form of a young girl with a beatiful, round human ass
Hanyuu is the ultimate anti-humiliation pill.
Ryukishi says: human arse objectively cute.

>>23889383
That just means she's a degenerate slut who would trade away her perfect assless form, just like the little mermaid.

>>23888448
Kara no Shoujo 2 immediately comes to mind, it probably has the best prose in a vn I've read so far. Make's me wonder just how much better it is in Japanese. I'd argue that it could stand on its own among literary novels.

I dont feel that any visial novel could stand among literary novels as it's a completely different type of writing. It's a mix between prose and screenplay, it's a unique beast. Being a semi-visual medium with sprites and backgrounds also does a lot of the work that prose would've otherwise been required to do.

>>23889740
isn't it more like a play?

>>23888877
>>23889124
I definitely get this. I used read a lot since I was young and long descriptions of locations and people always felt redundant while reading because they didn’t amount to something of significance to me. It felt like imagining individual things one after the other rather than slowly building a mental image.

I always struggled to write because people told me I didn't put in enough description, which is a fair criticism but I'd have to force myself to do it, since it's so counter-intuitive to me. Why would I want to describe anything in a lot of visual detail when it does nothing for me? I think describing basic things that everyone can imagine in their own unique way is more than enough. But apparently readers crave detailed descriptions that slowly build up to a specific mental image of the character or place, which I just can't do without forcing myself or drawing a rough sketch first.

>>23889740
I actually think visual novels are the best medium. It has its drawbacks, but I think it's better suited for storytelling than any other form of media. Sadly, it's a medium reserved for nerdy Japanese stuff (which I love) and ignored/not taken seriously in the world at large. For no fucking reason. It's a real a shame, because it has so many possibilities.

Same thing happens with animation. Outside Japan, animation is exclusively seen as a childish medium and only used to produce kids/all ages stuff, which is mostly disposable garbage except for a few gems (Avatar) that actually treat children like humans and respect their intelligence. But every time "adult animation" is produced in the west, it's always some dumb comedy full of gross-out humor and edgy shit. It's always bottom of the barrel trash meant for cheap laughs and shallow entertainment.

>>23889906
There are people alive right now whose only exposure to VNs is DDLC, maybe Katawa Shoujo if we're lucky. I hate it.

>>23889906
The bad part of VNs is that it requires a multitude of different talents, or at least a collaboration of different artists. Ryuukishi was lucky to be able to draw in an unique style, and he found some good royalty free music that fit his story. But someone with zero drawing skills and incapable of composing music is better off just writing a book.

>>23889799
I relate to that a lot. I have no problems with metaphors in poetry and enjoy looking for meaning in visual art.

But in stories the description of scenary for visualization purposes just doesn't do anything for me. So I dismiss these long descriptions until it's about the plot again. I think sometimes it adds value to know that e.g. Everything was in dark colors as it has metaphorical value. But it is hard to distinguish between 'the author wants it to feel vivid' and 'metaphorical value' in a story. Especially if you're not aware of aphantasia.

>>23889799
>It felt like imagining individual things one after the other rather than slowly building a mental image.
Big reason why I like VNs. Writing is cool, but it's even better without the slow, one-by-one introductions that you get with those long descriptions. Maybe it's because of my experience with Key VNs, but I tend to liken them more to a mix between books and theatrical plays, and a natural result of that mix is that you don't need overly verbose prose.

>Why would I want to describe anything in a lot of visual detail when it does nothing for me?
Most people would probably answer that with "because you're not writing for yourself, but for the reader(s)". A lot of the "how to get good at writing" content that I've explored is heavily centered around the idea that writing is about putting your thoughts and feelings into the reader's head.

Recently I realized that the reason I gave both drawing and writing a chance wasn't because I wanted to create something for others, but rather because I wanted more of the things that I like, regardless of who actually creates them. I've been completely at peace with giving up on pursuing those hobbies ever since.

>>23889799
you're not meant to try and actively hold on to individual sentences, you just allow them to build up layer upon layer until you "feel" like it's a summer afternoon, you're walking down a deteriorating road after a long day in the neighbouring village, slowly the air begins to cool, the cicadas start to chirp. you can feel the ground giving off its last stored-up heat. you're exhausted, yet strangely awake, the fun memories you have made flashing through your mind. disconnected moments of enjoyment.

you don't need to remember the contents of any of the previous sentences, the fact that you've taken the "journey" through them already gives the last sentence a different feeling from what it would have by itself. It's a matter of setting a mood.

>>23889779
Stageplays are focussed primarily on dialogue, only using narration to establish scenes, and visuals have a minimal role. VNs, however, are equally reliant on dialogue, narration, and visuals. This brings it closer to screenplays that are reliant on visuals and dialogue.

>>23889906
I feel the same way actually. While each medium has its own utility where it excels in its own way--I've never gotten the same enjoyment and emotional return out of any other medium. VNs strike a balance that no other medium, as they currently are, can really achieve.

>>23889994
>you just allow them to build up layer upon layer until you "feel" like it's a summer afternoon
The fact that I'm unable to construct and especially maintain a complex mental image from writing is a big reason why I think I have aphantasia. Reading your post, I feel absolutely nothing and am completely unable to imagine what you're describing, but give me even a single, simple still image and I'll instantly be able to feel it. A picture's worth a thousand words, after all.

>>23890028
I dunno, a description of a landscape is, generally, just as much an externalization of character the way they "are" at this moment, as it is a description of place.You don't need to see an image inside your head to feel, to "taste" the mood evoked by a description of a landscape in juxtaposition with a character.
Take a moment and try to bring to mind a character you're fond of. You'll remember some of their traits, their appearance, some of their pivotal scenes, but your memory won't be a list of things, but rather a particular feeling of an entity and oscillating associations.

>>23889994
Oh, I totally get what you mean. I have no problem with descriptions like that, with vague imagery and a heavy focus on sensations and feelings. Those are great.

My problem is when the descriptions focus on the visual parts and intend for the reader to slowly construct the scenery in their head. Giving too much detail, describing a person's facial features, saying that the sofa was behind the table and there was a jar of water to the left of the teacup. I just can't keep all that mental imagery in check, it dissipates as soon as the next thing comes along. So I find it pointless and boring, because I really don't need to know where each piece of furniture is in relation to each other, or the exact shape and color of the stripes on a guy's necktie. I'll see a vague image of the necktie as it is described, but it won't stay in my mind's eye. It keeps flickering, as if I was turning on the lights in a dark room only for it to immediately turn off after a split second.

So when I move to the next piece of information, I'll lose that mental image of the tie and have to keep rebuilding it from scratch. Once too many things pile up, I just drop the damn details and simply remember the concept of a necktie.

>>23890156
well yea, that's just information overload. I think it's mainly used as a cheap way to hide relevant information by mystery novelists, as well as by historical novelists to pad out their writing.

>>23890139
>You don't need to see an image inside your head to feel, to "taste" the mood evoked by a description of a landscape in juxtaposition with a character.
Can't say I've ever experienced that, no matter the writing or the language. Far more often than not, it's actually the characters' demeanor and a visual representation of the environment they're in that allows me to feel that mood.

Kanon (the VN) is a good example of this: over the years I've read many works, in English and in other languages, that are set in a wintry, snowy environment, and I've never been able to really imagine or feel the intended atmosphere. In stark contrast, just observing the personality, behavior and actions of Nayuki, coupled with visually seeing the setting in question, did far more to evoke the writers' intended atmosphere (sleepy, wintry, yet cozy and comfortable) than even the best written novels ever did.

>>23890156
>Giving too much detail, describing a person's facial features, saying that the sofa was behind the table and there was a jar of water to the left of the teacup.
Christ, this is very much the norm in Romanian literature over the last 150 years. Even just thinking about it annoys me.

>>23890183
Yeah, some writers can be excessive with their description, but even a reasonable amount of visual description is too much for me. But apparently that type of writing is meant for the half of the population that can actually visualize images in vivid detail without losing focus. That's why I feel like I'm missing something and find it boring and redundant, like it's not meant for me.

I don't have total aphantasia, but I just can't retain images in my head for even a second. It's just a quick flash repeating itself, never giving me enough time to focus on any details even though the details are clearly there. Apparently many people can retain images in their head for a while, which is insane to me.

Imagine a thread connecting two points in space. Then another tread connects the second point to a third, which is directly above it. Then another thread connects that point to another point directly to the right. And it keeps going like that a few more times. By the time I reach the fifth or sixth point, regardless of how far or how close they are to the initial point, I've already lost track of the early parts. It's not a solid image in my head, it flickers. I have to make an effort to reconstruct the first couple threads from memory, because while my mind was focused on the later parts of the figure I lost track of the early parts. Apparently, many people can keep a solid, vivid mental construction in their head, one that doesn't flicker at all, and slowly build on it, or make it change shape, or add or substract details at will. I can't do that, my mind's eye feels like it's resetting every second. Whenever a reset takes place, the image is practically the same but over the course of several resets I lose details I'm not focusing on.

This wouldn't happen if I could see every detail so far as if my mind was a piece of paper I'm drawing on. Then the resets/flickers wouldn't matter because I wouldn't lose track of anything. But whenever I focus on a part, I lose track of the others and they disappear within a second, forcing me to rebuild the entire thing again.

>>23890335
why is shion lawful good?

>>23890335
Basically, I can't just "stare" at a mental image like some people apparently can. Let alone modify it at will. It feels like one of those gifs that keeps flickering, giving you a split second to see the image between frames of pure blackness. I have no trouble seeing the image in those, because they are real things I can look at with my eyes. But if the flickering gif is a mental construction in my head, the moment I lose focus the whole thing disappears.

>>23890335
>That's why I feel like I'm missing something and find it boring and redundant, like it's not meant for me.
Because it probably isn't. If other experiences or sensations, like visual or auditory ones, can make you feel or imagine things more vividly, then that's just how you are. It makes experiencing western literature difficult, but the way I see it, it also means you are more likely to get something out of works that others wouldn't enjoy.

>I have to make an effort to reconstruct the first couple threads from memory
This happens to me as well, and it's why reading that sort of writing makes me feel exhausted more than anything else, because I'm putting a lot of effort into trying and ultimately failing to keep up.

>>23890275
Kanon is my favorite VN. I love the Ayu route, but the Nayuki route is just as good if not better in some parts. It's suprisingly good and it's a shame the anime adaptations never really focused on it. The idea of fucking your cousin who is also your classmate in a remote winter town and the aunt kinda not giving a fuck about it is just max comfy.

I also like how every route makes one girl happy at the expense of the others. If you choose one, the others disappear/get cucked/die from magic/die from illness. It's fucked up.

I also enjoy the concept of Ayu being an ikiryou-like astral projection. She has the mind of a loli because the real one has been comatose since she was a kid, but she is also a short teenager because that's what the protagonist expected to enconter when he came back. She also has the headband that Yuuichi never actually gave her, becasue she's a weird mix of her own astral projection and his made up memories. It's pretty cool. And I like the idea that she straight up "dies" and loses all the memories she made during the story, but wakes up as the real Ayu at the end of her route.

A great VN all around, with two good anime adaptations. The soundtrack is fantastic too.

Why does Tomitake look like some weird frog creature?

>>23890580
Anime Ayu is stacked when she takes off her coat. It's pretty great. My only issue with Kanon are the H-scenes. Key VNs always make them boring as fuck, but I still appreciate their existence and it's a shame that some of ther most popular VNs (like Clannad) didn't have any. But the lack of pubic hair is what kills them for me, not their boring vanilla nature. Then again, this is a problem in 95% of VNs. You have to look for really obscure stuff in order to find a proper bush, and even then it's only for "MILF" characters with giant tits. God, I just want to see a normal teenage pussy in its natural state, why is it so rare? It defeats the purpose of a sex scene if I'm just looking at a bald Barbie doll wearing the character's face.

>>23890765
>Kanon H-scenes
hehe

>>23890801
Umineko remake with h scenes when

>>23890580
The way I looked at the 2006 adaptation was the same way I looked at other Key VN adaptations: it was more about tempering my expectations and experiencing them after experiencing the original, almost as a rewatch bonus.

>The idea of fucking your cousin who is also your classmate in a remote winter town and the aunt kinda not giving a fuck about it is just max comfy.
I feel oddly dirty saying it, but yeah, same. Nayuki's really lovable in every sense of the word, and she's a wonderful, practical fit for Yuuichi. It also helps that Nayuki's route focused heavily on real issues and primordial fears, which is... powerful stuff, to say the least, and a good reprieve from the more metaphorical or straight up supernatural content of other Key VN routes in general.

Oddly enough, Kanon also happens to be the only Key VN where I can't decide on who my favorite girl is. It's a bit more clear-cut with the route, but I feel strongly about Ayu, Nayuki and Mai at the very least, and I feel that just about everyone is at least competently written or even straight-up awesome (Sayuri).

>It's fucked up.
Beyond belief, and I'm not sure it'd be seen as acceptable in this day and age, but I like it that way. My main takeaway from it is that whether you're aware of it or not, you won't be able to save "everyone" in the world, and I like that a lot because the fact that it comes from someone like Maeda means you know it's not meant in ill will, but rather a simple fact of life that shouldn't deter you from pursuing the things and people that you love. The 2006 adaptation going against this bothered me a fair bit, not least because it weakens Yuuichi as a character.

>The soundtrack is fantastic too.
Goes without saying for Key VNs, but goddamn it is. Orito Shinji being every bit as great in 1999 as he was in 2011 makes listening to both the Kanon and Rewrite soundtracks feel even better than before.

>>23890580
>>23890861
>I feel oddly dirty saying it, but yeah, same.
Also since I forgot to say it, Kanon really does have an incredibly cozy setting, one that I'd be very happy to immerse myself in (if I was still around that age). I've never been much of a winter guy, but the slow, welcoming, healing atmosphere is wonderful, and much of that is because of Nayuki being a great person to be around and Akiko just being a straight-up good mom, and the rest of the cast further aids in bringing life to the world (whether inside the Minase household or anywhere else).

>>23887813
Definitely. These threads actually surprised me in the beginning with the criticism because I assumed everyone would be as big of a fan of Ryu's works as I am. For me they are practically perfect, any criticisms I have are rendered null by just how well they work with me. It feels like I've found 'my' author, like he's writing specifically for me. His stuff is all I could ask for in a fictional work and I'm so fucking blessed to have found him.

>>23890966
You can be critical and still be a fan, to be fair. That said, this is still 4chan - unreasonable people are to be expected just about everywhere. This thread being cozier than most feels really damn nice.

>>23890861
>Kanon also happens to be the only Key VN where I can't decide on who my favorite girl is. It's a bit more clear-cut with the route, but I feel strongly about Ayu, Nayuki and Mai at the very least, and I feel that just about everyone is at least competently written or even straight-up awesome (Sayuri).
I find Mai a bit lame, but that's just me. I like her and her route is pretty awesome, but she's not the type of character I like as a waifu. Everyone else is great, especially Shiori. She's pretty unique in the sense that she has no past connection with the MC and is also the only one that actually makes fun of him. He gets away with being sarcastic and mocking the other girls for their weird quirks, but Shiori mocks him back.

>The 2006 adaptation going against this bothered me a fair bit, not least because it weakens Yuuichi as a character.
I loved that adaptation, but I agree. It made him into a nice guy who coincidentally saves everyone. It also downplayed the Nayuki route because they couldn't have them be romantically involved if Ayu is the main girl. But I guess that's the nature of the medium, and I think the ending did a pretty nice job of tying it all together. The animation is peak Kyoani, really beautiful. I always liked the ending theme, and the anime made it even better with that running Ayu animation! Which also serves as a massive gut punch in the last episode because she wakes up as a fucking cripple and can't run anymore.

The 2002 anime and its OVA are a bit wonky, but I really like them. The character designs have that lovely hand-drawn aesthetic that is missing in modern anime, off-model frames and all, and they also resemble the sprite designs of the VN a lot more. I really like how it focuses a lot more on Nayuki, which was the weak part of the 2006 version.

Kanon is the ultimate dating sim VN to me. But it's much more than that.

>>23888877
I wonder what people who are born blind think of audiobooks, especially things like LoTR. Someone who has no concept of vision must find half the script to be utterly meaningless nonsense.

I find the whole aphantasia thing frustrating because I always have the sneaking suspicion that normies are just exaggerating the vividness of their visualization and don't really understand how their description of it comes across to others. I'm pretty sure they are not exaggerating, but they fail to understand what aphantasia feels like and that, in turn, makes me suspect there is no difference and they are just unintentionally exaggerating their abilities.

Like, do people actually see themselves sitting on a beach and shit during meditation? Or is it a flickering mess for everyone and these people just exaggerate how vivid the imagery is because they don't understand the concepts?

>>23891122
>but she's not the type of character I like as a waifu
Which is perfectly fine since we all like different things in people. Personally I didn't think I'd like her at all at first, but her route being great, her relationship with Sayuri and her overall development all endeared me to her, whereas I liked Ayu and Nayuki from the start even without considering their development.

Mai is still slightly inferior to the other ponytailed dark-haired sword-wielding girl of Key fame though, even if most people seemingly didn't like the way Ryukishi wrote that route.

And yeah, Shiori's awesome too. Having no past connection to Yuuichi means she stands out from the crowd even more than she already did. Her fighting back against Yuuichi's snark is something I really didn't expect at first, and I loved that about her.

>I loved that adaptation, but I agree.
Oh don't get me wrong, I adore it too and even feel that this approach (saving everyone) has its strong appeal as well. It's just that I prefer what the VN does, even though I'd give both a solid 10.

And hey, at least Nayuki gets to enjoy being advertised alongside Ayu basically every time Kanon is even remotely mentioned. And even without the romantic element, I still felt that the way they merged the other major elements of Nayuki's route into the closing episodes was masterful and something I'd only expect from the KyoAni of that period. They really made the most of the limitations of the medium, so yeah, I agree with you on all counts.

>because she wakes up as a fucking cripple and can't run anymore
Fuck me, I somehow actually never thought of that. That's powerful.

>>23891190
Feeling by association. Descriptions aren't just visual, they appeal to the other senses as well. If I describe a beautiful sunrise, a blind person would still understand the warmth of the sunlight on their skin and the "birth" that takes place when animals, people, etc... wake up and become active. The only descriptor that would be completely visual in nature is colour, but even then--feeling by association. A blind person understands that the ocean is blue, that the sky is blue during the day, and they carry that feeling when a character is said to have blue eyes. So a blind person isn't really "missing out" on a lot of the text, finding it nonsense, they'll just experience it in a different way than you.

>>23891298
>Like, do people actually see themselves sitting on a beach and shit during meditation? Or is it a flickering mess for everyone and these people just exaggerate how vivid the imagery is because they don't understand the concepts?
There's a spectrum. Some individuals have vividly clear mind's eyes and can see as though hallucinating, others have it vague, lifeless, and dim, others still have only void.
Me, I have a bright and somewhat exaggerated (cartoony?) mind's eye. For this apple thing I'd be a 2. Colors are luminous, but everything is somewhat blurry unless I concentrate on keeping the image clear.

>>23891411
For me, I'm a 2/3 with a zoom function of 1. I visualize the whole scene or object as a 2/3, but when I'm focussing on a specific thing it's really detailed, and have to keep shifting my focus from thing to thing to visualize it all in a detailed way.

Guess an example would be like a painting opened in photoshop. Can see the whole image in the preview box, but its small, compressed, etc... but the main window has one part of the picture at 300% zoom and is really detailed. Have to keep panning from part to part. Hard to visualize a whole face. I can vividly visualize the nose, the eyes, the mouth, the beard, but when it's all assembled? It's like a 2 or a 3.

Why is there no 07th mod patch for masturibayashi?

>>23891702
Because it just came out?

>>23891411
Yeah, no, that picture is pseudoscientific nonsense. Unless you have autism, your brain doesn't save raw data of what you've seen into long-term memory, because that's just useless junk information. Everything you know about apples is post-processed relations between concepts - various geometric patterns and variations, a spectrum of colors, then you have an abstract understanding of how different lighting situations might affect that object, the various kinds of taste you can expect from different kinds of apple, the weight, texture, the feeling of cutting into it. Nowhere in your memory is there a photorealistic depiction of an apple - it's just something people who don't pay close attention to how their minds construct thoughts and images fool themselves into thinking, so they can believe they're special.
As an artist you try to learn how to pre-visualize, but it's ridiculously limited because visual information is that complicated even when you know how to break it down.

>>23891411
The thing is, I'm a 1 but the image, despite being just as detailed as a photograph of the real thing, keeps attempting to disappear and I constantly need to force it back into existence. Hence the split second flickering. It take so much concentration I can't focus on any details even though the image is a carbon copy of what I see looking at a real apple. It's so weird that I can see the details as a whole but can't stare at them for even a second because it makes the whole thing disappear.

>>23891411
That image is kinda bullshit thought. Everyone sees 1. Maybe 2 if it's something they don't remember clearly. And people with true aphantasia see 5. 3 and 4 are impossible. What anon is describing is something I experience as well. I see 1 when I imagine stuff, but the image keeps trying to disappear or evade my gaze or something, making it impossible to analyze any details like you would staring at a real object. There is no staring, only a quick half second glance of a photorealistic apple which requires effort to maintain and keeps disappearing if you attempt to focus on any parts to observe the details.

>>23891748
>your brain doesn't save raw data of what you've seen into long-term memory
Anonymous, I think you may be aphantasiac because yes, I do have "photorealistic depictions of apples" in my mind. I can remember what apples look like. I can remember specific fruits that I have eaten. I can replay the whole spectrum of sensation of picking up a banana the other day and eating it. I remember that I split the top off by yanking on the stem too hard. I can visualize it flawlessly.
Honestly, your entire post is baffling nonsense to me.

>>23891973
Quit using your own experiences as something everyone must have. I can generate the image of an apple, have it sit there, rotate it, brighten it or dim it, freely. Unless my train of thought derails, it will stay there.
And yes, there are people who visualize "3 or 4", with a dim and colorless mind's eye. It's called partial aphantasia.

>>23891748
t. jealous aphantasia fag

>>23891980
try painting an apple from memory. it's basically just a sphere with a few oddities, and you already have a picture of it in your mind, so you should be able to do it, right?

>>23892012
This is retarded because most people can't even do this when copying an apple that's right in front of him. How retarded are you?

>>23891411
I can imagine Doraemon's face as if I was looking at the real thing. His face is burned into my memory. I see it clear as day. But it flickers and I can't for the life of me tell if the eyes are inside the white part or the blue part of his face. Even though an absolutely perfect memory of his face is flickering inside my head right now and I'm looking at it. I'm seeing where the eyes are and where every part is. Nothing is deformed. It's a perfectly accurate memory. And yet, any attempt to discern where the eyes are located, even though I'm literally looking at them, makes the image flicker, forcing me to put mental energy into preserving the image every second. I just can't focus on any details despite seeing everything ad a whole with no problem.

But beyond looking at details, what saddens me is that I can't look at it as a whole like a picture. It's constantly disappearing and reappearing.

>>23892019
so, why can't most people paint an object even when it's right in front of them? Why can't they hold that image in their mind for even just a few seconds, and put down the right shapes with the right values in the right locations?

>>23892012
That's a matter of one's ability as an artist, though. I suck at putting something to paper, but I absolutely can try drawing an apple from memory and say "yep, that's an approximation of what I'm thinking of". I can do a shitty drawing in MSPaint if you want.

>>23892042
They lack the ability to move their hand while etching their symbol to create convincing curves.
Art is a matter of practice.

>>23892012
I have a picture of it on my mind. I just can't look at it for more than a second before it becomes hard to keep focus.

>>23892047 (me)
Had to fiddle with that bottom part a bit because I couldn't get the wobbly right.
At no point between these posts have I looked at any images of any apples.

>>23892057
your brain is re-constructing an approximation, and since your only point of reference for whether that approximation is accurate is the same information used to construct the image, you're fooled into thinking that it's realistic

>>23892047
Good artists can visualize something and keep the damn thing there without it flickering or evading their gaze. It's supposedly like drawing a picture inside their head and having the picture stay there for the artist too look at and copy on the paper. Whether that last part is accurate to what they see depends on their skill, though.

Someone with poor visualization doesn't have that advantage. They can't rely on a mental sketch of what they wish to draw.

>>23892080
Everyone knows it's a re-construction. Nobody thinks its a 1:1 recording. Your point in your first post was that you can't visualize something in your head, only relate concepts together to think of something. Do you even know what your own points are?

>>23892071
The issue is not remembering what an apple looks like. It's not being able to stare at it in your head, making one incapable of drawing anything even remotely complex no matter how much skill they develop or how much they practice.

>>23892094
>>23892119
Nothing "flickers" for me. My mental objects remain still. I can reposition them or zoom in on them just fine. (Obviously, unless I'm distracted. If you tell me not to think of a white elephant, then a white elephant is going to replace what I'm thinking of.)
So I imagine I could make a good artist if I ever took the time to actually draw stuff?

>>23892080
But anon, I'm literally remembering a screenshot of a memory of when I saw an apple IRL. This is how I imagine things, it's all screenshots of things I've seen in real life.

If it didn't look realistic, I could tell.

>>23892080
By this logic, the same thing is true when you're physically staring at something. Your eyes are just translating light into something that your brain can interpret

>>23892107
>I do have "photorealistic depictions of apples" in my mind.
this is the first response I got. vizualizationfags literally think they have a photographic memory.
>>23892166
yes. which is why artists need to learn to see color and values, shape relationships, edges and so on, just so they can paint something as simple as an apple from reference. your brain is pre-processing the information you receive before you even become consciously aware of it. when you see a ball flying toward you, you don't see a shape, you see an object in space and you have an intuition of how you will have to move to catch it.

>>23892138
>So I imagine I could make a good artist if I ever took the time to actually draw stuff?
It's a big advantage, yes. Not so much in terms of alleviating the leveling curve, but certainly in terms of giving you more possibilities since it means you don't always have to draw from reference.

>>23892196
You can have photorealistic re-constructions. Just because its photorealistic doesn't meant it's a 1:1 recording in your mind. Photorealistic doesn't imply photographic memory, in fact, they're not even related.

>>23892225
nigger, are you dense? It takes artists years to drill the visual information required to draw just a few things from imagination into their heads. If I asked you to just select a colour palette for your photorealistic apple, just fucking select the palette, you couldn't do it. if I asked you to draw just the technical details of a simple household item you use every daym you couldn't do it. Just like you don't know how many steps the stairs to your basement have.

>>23892280
You're a very confused man who doesn't even know what he's arguing for or against. Wasted effort.

>>23892280
I can do any and all of those things. It would look terrible, because of how bad I am at drawing, but I can remember every single individual detail without any effort.

I'm done with this shit
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.3758/BF03195929.pdf

good night seacats

>>23892339
>sample sizes of <100
Trash heap.
Also, you're on 4chan, which for better or for worse is a hotbed for highly imaginative individuals.
Even moreso, you're in a thread strongly associated with a mystery story, which encourages creative thought. Your delta is far from the average dude off the street.

>>23892363
draw an MSpaint bicycle from imagination right now

>>23892376
Okay.

>>23887813
yeah the next borges

>>23892408
and how do you intend to turn the front wheel, idiot?

you fuckers really just drawing bikes

>>23892421
Ah, right, I added an extra bit of metal because I defaulted to the symmetrical shape. I haven't been on a bike in like 15 years, though.

>>23892433
I mean, to give you credit, you clearly put more thought into your reconstruction than the average person. but it's still falls far short of the functional understanding you would exhibit if you had an image in your mind to work off of. as for not having been on a bike in 15 years - that would be procedural memory. I'm sure you've seen plenty of bikes this year already.

>>23891298
I'm an outlier because I have particularly strong imagination but yes, I can actually vividly see things. How vivid depends on the thing, for example I can picture objects very vividly and manipulate them in 3D space, but only up to like 4 objects at a time at most. Sound is very vivid, I can hear music almost like I'm actually hearing it, including the distinct instruments if I know a song well. Smell is the hardest, that's definitely very flickery as you describe it. Taste used to be very hard but I practiced it a bit and I can now do it pretty easily. Touch is easier than taste but harder than sight.

I'm an outlier though like I said, I have assburgers and used to spend all day as a kid just imagining scenes. Hard to tell how it's present from birth and how much is just doing it a lot as a kid.

>>23891411
I'm 1 on this image, I can also picture the apple with different colors than pure red, odd shape, those dimples that apples have, parts cut out of it, rotate it in 3D space. Not all of those at the same time though, maybe two of those at a time.

Fwiw I don't think this ability is actually that useful in normal life, but it does make me gag when someone talks about poop during dinner.

>>23892493
BTW I must add before anyone starts talking about drawing things or whatever:
- this requires 100% concentration and can't be suspended to do something else and then be picked back up again, so I can't actually draw it
- especially in 3D space objects are often not actually consistent on closer inspection

>>23892527
that's why tests along the lines of "draw this deceptively complex household item from imagination" are so useful. even if your image shifts and flickers, so long as it's a complete image it should give you all the information you need to make the drawing technically accurate.

>>23892462
>I'm sure you've seen plenty of bikes this year already.
no I'm a total hikikomori, I kinda forgot the front wheel even turns

>>23892580
The thing is my ability to imagine things doesn't really imply a particularly good memory of what things look like - that's also what I meant by things not actually being consistent. It's not like I have particularly good data on the shapes of things saved, it's just that I'm good at visualizing what the data I do have looks like.

>>23892619
Here's a bike from memory regardless. Perspective on the handlebars is wrong and the seat should be further back but I think I did ok

>>23892493
>I can actually vividly see things. How vivid depends on the thing, for example I can picture objects very vividly and manipulate them in 3D space
Damn, I'm so jealous. My imagination is realistic as fuck, but it's mostly made up of things I've seen. And I can't manipulate them or anything because they just flicker in and out of existence the whole time. I mean, I can imagine a ball rolling or an object moving and changing shape/color, but it's like a slideshow where parts I'm not focusing on disappear from the next frame immediately. And I can't even see each frame in detail because they go by so fast. Even when it's a static object.

>Sound is very vivid, I can hear music almost like I'm actually hearing it, including the distinct instruments if I know a song well.
Same here. I actually thought this was normal and always wondered why the fuck people messed up songs when trying to hum or sing them. I obviously have no signing ability, but I can perfectly imitate the tone of the song and every inflection of the singer's voice, both in my head and out loud. It always baffles me when people get the voice inflection wrong, how can they not remember the song exactly as it sounds? It's like there is an alternate, mangled version of the song playing in their head, which they try to sing out loud. That's just crazy to me.

> Smell is the hardest, that's definitely very flickery as you describe it. Taste used to be very hard but I practiced it a bit and I can now do it pretty easily. Touch is easier than taste but harder than sight.
I never realized you could imagine those in detail. But now that you mention it... holy shit, you actually can! I can totally pet my dog in my head and feel the fur!

>I have assburgers
So do I, but I don't like saying it because people assume I don't understand irony and shit. It's literally the opposite, I have no trouble with that. For that reason, I can't really stand most autists, they feel like robots to me. And I especially hate when people assume all the stereotypes apply to me.

>>23888998
That girl is a fucking dumbass. Imagine being her father and learning she died trying to take a selfie.

>>23892493
>I can actually vividly see things. How vivid depends on the thing, for example I can picture objects very vividly and manipulate them in 3D space
I can do this too, but mainly in a long term capacity. It completely trivialized most of the tests in school

>>23892673
Yeah touch is surprisingly easy, especially soft things for some reason. Temperature is difficult but doable. Pain like punching a wall is doable but hard, sharp pain from like a cut I can't do. Wetness is also very hard.
In general I think pleasant things are easier to imagine than unpleasant things, but for smell and taste it's the opposite. Also very intense things like huge objects, very strong tastes etc are a lot harder.

Re:autism - I'm the exact same way. People wouldn't generally guess I'm autistic regardless, though obviously I'm still on the quirky side of things (but who here isn't).

>>23892775
>>23892741
Here's another fun one. I didn't mention this at first because I didn't want y'all to think that I'm actually schizo or something, but now I wonder if others can do this to: can you guys imagine having very different bodies e.g. extra limbs, extra digits, tentacles, wings? I can, though it's hard to day whether it really means anything since I have no real stimulus to compare it to.

>>23892819
Not at all. I think our brains are designed to handle four limbs, so imagining any more feels overwhelming. I can't imagine controlling a pair of wings while also being in control of my arms and legs at the same time. Hell, I can barely understand how a dog manages to run around with four legs without tripping all over itself. Although I suspect their brains interpret reality in slow motion, which gives them amazing reflexes.

>>23892819
I imagined having an extra finger on my right hand, and I do feel it. I don't feel his movement when I move all my fingers, but feel it when it touch the palm. It was strange, has to touch the area of the extra finger to erase it.

>>23892874
You belong in a mental institution along with Ryukishi.

>>23892852
It is difficult. I can do 7 fingers on each hand, 2 extra limbs (arms legs or wings), or one tentacle for an arm. Only one of those at a time. The tentacle is very exhausting, it feels very heavy.
Try doing a tail, that's easy for me, I can even combine that with the above things.

>>23892852
>>23892927
By the way I think to do a dog you have to synchronize the limbs into pairs, you either divide them up front/back, left/right or by diagonals and then you move both limbs on the same pair at the same time.

>>23892819
I have a problem where I can't stop imagining I have wings. It's caused me to have a complete obsession with angels all my life.
If I were just a little crazier I have no doubt I would have joined that kooky otherkin phenomenon, but thankfully I recognize this is just wishful thinking/hallucinating on my part.
Doesn't stop me from rolling my shoulderblades awkwardly a few times a day.
Coincidentally it's a reason why I felt so strongly about Umineko. That feeling of being something inhuman made me sympathize with Sayo a lot.
(But I'm not, I'm not crazy, I know I don't have wings, I promise you.)

>>23893010
I always loved angels too. Not in a religious sense, I just think they look beautiful and I always identify with the light/holy element in fantasy.

If you know Spanish, I can recommend a pretty interesting book about angels and demons with a crazy twist. It's a short novel with Young Adult style writing, though, but I still love it to this day.

>>23893010
You think you're weird? I think I got something to one-up you with. The depiction of angels as humans with wings is a modern fabrication, in scripture they're usually presented as freakishly abstract to the degree that they have to preface their introductions with something to the effect of "I'm not going to eat you"

>>23893090
Weren't they depicted like bird people with two sets of human genitals?

>>23893090
Oh yeah angels in scripture are wild. Angels in Evangelion are a lot closer to how they're actually described in scripture than how we usually depict them.

>>23893102
There's several different forms. Probably the weirdest one is floating rings of eyeballs

>>23893102
I'm pretty sure one of them was a flaming wheel with eyes or something, right?

>>23893090
Why, though? This makes me think there is some truth to it, like aliens visiting humans in the past. If nothing of the sort happened and the bible is just made up, wouldn't the writers just picture angels as humanoids or animal-people, rather than weird monstrosities with no defined shape?

>>23893090
Oh no, don't you try and one up me on angel lore. I've been studying angels my entire life. I tire of your ilk who declare that all angels are Ophanim and none were humanoid. The angels sent to Lot looked perfectly human, albeit particularly beautiful and entrancing humans.
While I am aware the common image of a human with wings descends from Zoroastrian and Greco-Roman imagery (the Yazata Sraosha and the Goddess Nike in particular), most abrahamic angels were not bizarre abominations. Only the Cherubim and Ophanim were so unusually terrifying to behold; as angels of the First Sphere, they are meant to operate in Heaven and not deal with humans to begin with.
Most angels don't have any defined appearance at all (you're not going to find what a Virtue or a Power looks like in the bible), but as time went on most of the "lesser" angels got the same winged-person treatment, at any rate.
But the greatest of all angels, Seraphim, look like wings and wings alone. They are not nightmares.. in fact, you really can't see them to begin with. You just see six flaming wings, bundled into a ball.

do castrated boys still have a prostate
asking for a friend

>>23893502
It's internal, so yes. Also, it's not confirmed he lost his penis.

>>23893502
Yes. Castration by definition just means the removal of the testicles, tho it is often used to refer to a cut off dick.

>>23895793
How is it not confirmed? What would even be Sayo's problem if they still had a dick? There's be zero motive behind Nanjo and Genji raising Sayo as a girl. What's the bloody gash Kanon sticks his fingers into? Why cant Kanon even "trim the roses"?

>>23895850
>bloody gash
If you're referring to the goat Kanon scene in episode 2, that was a fantasy scene. I don't know when he talks about trimming the roses. It's probably just 34 having some complexes about his/her physical weakness.

>>23893189
Because they're imagined as manifestations of aspects of divinity, i.e., god is all-seeing and omniscient, so let's have an angel that has eyes pointing in every direction, god is incomprehensible, so let's try to come up with some eldritch monstrosity traits. the "dude what if ancient aliens" meme is one of the most mundane, uninteresting, loveless explanations for what human culture and religion mean and where they come from, almost as bad as "rulers made up religion to scare their subjects".

>>23892665
frame isn't connected to the wheels

>>23893502
Anyway, you can still think of Kanon-kun as a fantasy character like Beatrice. Beatrice is played by 34 on the game board, but in the meta-world, she's definitely a "real person" with real tits. The same goes for Kanon.

>>23895850
Natsuhi knew 34 was born male, and every other servant from the Fukuin House we've been shown is female. It would have just cause more suspicion.

Do you have ideas on how to represent red/blue/golden truths visually, other than writing it in screen as it's spoken?
I have an idea on a stageplay by using red/blue/golden(or yellow) lighting, but I feel it a bit redundant. It might create a cool scene when there is a lot of red and every thing is teinted in red, tho.
The truths can be spoken by different (new) characters. For exemple, we can introduce a character that only says the truth, but it makes some of the scenes less interesting. We can also introduce Beatrice by saying that she only says the truth, and the general truths, the golden truths, are a kind of scripture .
We can also replace the truths by something else, etc.

>>23888448
Unironically Dies Irae

>>23843647
The thing is, you'd expect Ryukishi to put in lots of red herrings either way.

about time they announced corona delayed the new higurashi anime.

Why was Rena so soft as the school shooter? I expected her to force Mion to strip naked in front of all the students.

the human condition of rika: she's always lamenting her tragic fate, but at the same time she doesn't want to make an actual effort to change it.
what a loser

>>23903311
Well 100 years of the same thing is kind of boring, honestly.
She wouldn't have the maturity she has in the novel when she experience for the first time the reincarnation. She pretty much doesn't understand anything the first time. The first times, she might play with this power she had and feel like a god, and do anything she wanted until she got bored, then did anything she can to stop the loop. But fall into depression because the loop keep going and the interval between her reincartion and her death shrink along times, and espacially because of Hanyuu's pessimism.

>>23903311
She made "actual efforts" dozens of times throughout the ages, though.

>>23903311
Rika was already a fucking weirdo before the loop. That's why her mom was Rosa tier angry and disliked her own kid. She thought Rika was being groomed by the elderly fanatics to believe she can talk to this "Hanyuu" delusion.

Hanyuu basically cucked Rika's mother. She taught Rika everything before her mom could, so they never bonded. Rika doesn't even give a single fuck about her before Saikoroshi, which is literally after the end of the series.

Why would anyone want to play Higurashi with voices? It doesn't just destroy the atmosphere and render the jumpscare sounds useless, it also fucks with the emotion of many scenes. What does hearing the prime minister's voice add to the end scene of Matsuribayashi? Or his advisor's voice? They are just random old men, it doesn't add anything. It weakens the scene and even drowns out the music. The whole point of that scene is to have the reader think about the implications of their discussion as they read, which is hurt by the generic anime voices reading out every line into your ears. It makes the scene less introspective for the reader. What's the point?

>>23905602
>Matsuribayashi
I meant Minagoroshi, sorry. Arc 7.

>>23905602
Why would anyone want to play Higurashi with music and sound effects on? It doesn't just destroy the atmosphere and destroy the tension with jumpscare sounds, it also ruins the mood by telling the reader how to feel instead of the reader being influence solely by the text. What does hearing iut of place sound effects in scenes add? Or music that forces a mood? Theyre just recycled and use again and again, they don't add anything. It weakens the scene by telling the reader how to feel instead of letting them decide how the scene makes them feel. The whole point of those scenes is to be atmospheric and tense so that the reader is on edge and avsorbed into what's happening, which is hurt by sound effects that dont match the actions and music that yells "oooohhh this is an eerie scene" in your ears. It makes the scene less introspective and natural for the reader. What's the point?

>>23905765
You are being disingenuous. I was complaining about the voices because I want people to enjoy Higurashi as much as possible, and I feel they do the story a disservice.

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>>23906227
>cagando
You mean that's her hair color?