/jp/ - Otaku Culture

i miss him bros
https://streamable.com/r5udt4

Been having hard time learning Japanese during quarantine. I decided to start making YouTube videos in Japanese as an excuse to use the language even when I'm staying inside.

https://youtu.be/ouVo8c7xpcM

Id like to watch anime again, been a long while. I found a site where you could watch anime with any subtitles you wanted including Japanese and when you hovered over the words it would tell the meaning etc. It was made for learning and was super useful. Now I can't find it anymore, anyone know what I'm talking about? I'd like to find it again.

>>24794966
for what? when has anyone ever needed to know the number of the thread lol

>>24794914
how many times can the dead die

>>24795044
shut the fuck up retard

finally an op who knows what he is doing
>>24795044
stfu traditions are the solutions to forgotten problems, also it looks cool

the fact that i can watch 1 show and understand everything and then watch a different show and be lost for like 30% of shit makes me question if i even understand the stuff i think i do

>>24795104
i've never watched a show and understood even 10% of it

>>24795104
watch precure its p easy

Could anyone be kind enough to drop a link to the improved 3k deck?

>>24795109
thats a good english localization

>>24795109
that would be hard to translate becuse you can't do the same in english but they didnt even try lol

>>24795154
they did tho?

>>24795132
https://mega.nz/#!BAshEJYS!117Hsk-8aBraZp905DqoOecKadwwI2Ar9_JCeBLmyn0

>>24795180
what does 'is the same forward and backward' mean?

>>24795188
that you can read it backward and forward and it's the same thing lol

>>24795188
>>24795180
oh nvm i didnt notice the quotation marks

>>24795188
the word love backwards is evol and forwards its love

>>24795188
presume they meant in the sense of a palindrome

>>24795183
Thank youu <3

>>24795188

>>24795088
告朔の餼羊

>>24795204
was I tac a ti saw
??

wotd
回文

>>24795218
that's mirroring

>>24795258
it's to illustrate that you can still read the bottom one from left to right

>>24795224
now that is autism

>>24795233

it's a shit translation she didn't say anything about seeing cats.

>>24794802
how how based

>>24794802
HOLY FUCKING BASED OP

>>24795299
>>24795308
when you forget to tell your discord friends to wait some time between posts to not make it obvious

>based
>cringe
more like upvote and downvote

>>24795346
+1

>>24794802
finally an op who knows what he is doing

>>24794914
we all knew karbin being back was too good to be true

i'd read more manga if looking up words wasn't such a pain. with subbed anime you can just hover. how do you guys stream line looking up words?

i thought 口惜しい was just a more formal 悔しい since you can write くやしい both ways but apparently it's slightly different

if karbin wasn't dying he wouldn't really be karbin
that'd be like qm without anime cards
or jamal without bangers

>>24795405
dont look up words just use context clues

>>24795405
i just click words in my manga on my android tablet and it gives me definitions
http://ocrmangareaderforandroid.sourceforge.net/

>>24795419
can't do that with a meager 3,000 vocab

>>24795405
i stopped reading manga and consoomed things that i could yomichan (anime, vns, lns) until i got good

>>24795419
this will probably be the worst advice in this thread lol

>>24795435
how do you yomichan anime? you open the subs in your browser?

本日の承知させられた単語は「自業自得」なんです

>>24795405
I use OCR or this shitty website for some things https://bilingualmanga.com/ you can use yomichan and hover over words on it

>>24795456
go to animecards site and read the part about anime and fluentcards

>>24795405
kanjitomo + blank html page + clipboard inserter. u hover over a word with kanjitomo, copy it to clipboard with a hotkey u can set in the config and it then appears in ur html file so u can use yomi on it

>>24795427
but that image people post says 3k words in like 90% coverage for vns and manga have much less vocab.

>>24795480
kanjitomo is shit on small screens

>>24795405
just use ocr+rikachamp bro

>>24795492
idk i use on my monitor. its still tedious though

>>24795475
>audiocards
goddamn this is retarded and a waste of time

>>24795469
useless vocab

>>24795405
secret irc advice incoming

>>24795545
channel and network?

>>24795545
wow

>>24795537
why?

>>24795545
i really like that style

>>24795565
rizon
dailyjapanesethread

is it really worth it listening to matt? his videos are way too long and he seems like an asshole

>br*zilians in my irc

>>24795615
do you think he'd get posted so much here if not? the guys a modern day sage

>>24795621
join irc.sageru.org #jp

>>24795615
you asked this already fuck face now stfu before i turn ur skull into porridge

>>24795700
then answer my question, matt

>>24795470
>>24795508
which ocr program would you recommend though?

djt meetup when? https://youtu.be/_YCPJyTZrVw?t=162

>>24795615
He climbed the mountain and now preaches his message to the masses. He's our prophet.

So I just did sex in missionary position with my Puni Ana for the first time and it was mind-blowing. A bit hard to set up, but I plowed like an animal, and came buckets. My bedsheets are stained but it doesn't matter because suddenly in a moment of clarity I understood the masculine part in sex. It is not about laying passively like one does when they jerk off; it's about being the dominant, active force in it, taking matters in your own hands and that doesn't limit itself only to sex. Suddenly, being dominated by a bigger female doesn't seem too tempting anymore, I want to conquer. This is a very pronounced state that I'm in right now and I would never expect such revelations to come from onahip activities. I have a feeling this newfound understanding will stay with me and help me in future.
Thanks for reading, I really needed to share it somewhere.

>>24795721
sharex

>>24795765
based qm

>>24795767
hmm ok. i always assumed it'd be shit, but i'll check it out

>>24795615
get some adderall for that adhd of yours
>>24795545
powerful advice from the master write it down my young ones

>>24795644
built for truneet cock

>>24795485
It's all about that 10%

>>24795801
works for me and when it doesn't just skip that text and move on, it doesn't really matter that much. I also recommend tweaking it where the default language it ocrs is japanese, automatically copies, and silent.

>>24795765
lmfao wtf i bet you really showed that hip who is boss

>>24795765
yeah thats what the people in charge dont want you to feel

>>24795980
wow i want to fuck her

>>24794802
nice op

>>24795871
>>24795485
think about it like this:
90% coverage means 10% unknown
that's an unknown every 10 words
95% coverage means an unknown every 20 words
just that 5% difference doubles your amount of comprehension
just add another 3% and you get 98% comprehension
that's an unknown every 1 in 50 words, more than double the comprehension just from an increase of 3%

but beware, getting those "small" percent increases will take learning thousands of words

why did they use this retarded aspect ratio for the grisaia anime? wtf

>>24796029
1 unknown word in 10 means you should be able to figure it out from context probably should just delete anki at that point

>>24796045
>vn adaptations
not even once

>>24796101
>1 unknown word in 10
make it 1/100 and you might have some chance of guessing something thats not quite wrong but not exactly right

>>24796101
i would argue it's closer to the 98% mark before you can learn from context alone according to research https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-4781.2011.01146.x

>>24794802
holy fucking based OP

>>24796328
yeah we all know how reliable "research" is

all right for people that actually care about the quality of the OP:

can we please make a concerted effort to make sure this is the standard OP going forward? i'll do my part but i'm not on the thread all hours of the day so others will need to make it like this if they can

>>24796328
youll never get to a point where you can accurately guess the meaning of something just through context because not knowing one word can be the difference between buying a bottle of medicine and a buying bottle of poison.

>>24796383
i want anime card general to be a separate thread somewhere but i dont want to put in any work

>>24796383
stfu qm assmuncher, itazura needs to be in the op

>>24796383
im gonna make a concerted effort to post the most low quality ops to piss off the autists

>>24796383
id rather see the ez nihongo guy or the big titty girls poster than the "thread number guide description" drone series

>>24796401
but the dose makes the poison (-paracelsus)

>>24795738
i wouldnt meet up with you bums in some random place but a trip to japan would be cool

>>24796438
sorry broski, i am ez nihongo guy. i've thrown in the towel. people should really just follow quiz's guide(s). it's basically the same shit but with a bit more (important) details

>>24796426
thats a great point but animecards.site also needs to be in the OP and we all need to send $1 to quizmaster so he can keep the site up

>>24796453
>paracelsus
epic fma reference m'nigga

>>24796489
it wasn't supposed to be fuck fma

mom wont allow me to send money to strangers on the internet so i dont think ill be able to donate to qm's patreon

the fact qm still has a strong german accent whenever he reads japanese stuff means that sentence audio doesnt really help much when it comes to pronunciation

>>24796604
he has a thicker accent when speaking english than 1980s arnold schwarzenegger so i think he's just retarded

>>24796604
you think a native new yorker will start talking like a texan just from watching a bunch of westerns? people talk the way they want to talk, qm doesn't care to sound like a "native" (whatever that means since every region of japan talks differently)

>>24796604
he also sounds like shit in english

didnt know canadian had 敬語

>>24796649
>to sound like a "native" (whatever that means since every region of japan talks differently)
that's some big cope, drone
a chink won't sound like a native speaking english because there is no english speaking region who's people sound like that

>>24796649
>qm doesn't care to sound like a "native" (whatever that means since every region of japan talks differently)
BCE (big cope energy)

>>24796649
most of the kind of stuff he listens to in japanese are anime voice actors speaking in a highly regularized, artificial version of tokyo dialect
youd think hed at least be good at imitating reinhard's voice actor since hes watched over 150 episodes of logh

>>24796696
>youd think hed at least be good at imitating reinhard's voice actor since hes watched over 150 episodes of logh
did you not read anything i wrote?
>you think a native new yorker will start talking like a texan just from watching a bunch of westerns?

>>24796719
they will if theyre interested in sounding like one
havent you ever seen somebody imitating somebody else's way of talking?

>>24796731
>they will if theyre interested in sounding like one
that's exactly my point! and qm has said many many times that he does NOT want to sound like any character/native/region from japan

i applaud quizs bravery at posting vocaroos all the time when he sounds like complete dogshit

>>24796743
yea he doesn't just say that because he knows he can't shake off his awful accent lol

just cried remembering bjorn

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little dekinai? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Discord Quiz, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on r/LearnJapanese and /int/, and I have over 20k confirmed anime cards. I am trained in kanji recognition and I'm the top namefag in the entire /jp/ DJT thread. You are nothing to me but just another クソガキ. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on the quiz, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of discord trannies across Europe and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, сука. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can read 生 in over seven hundred different ways, and that's just with 音読み. Not only am I extensively trained in dictionary hovering, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the animecards.site methods and tools and I will use it to its full extent to make high-quality vocabulary cards that will wipe you the fuck out, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" kanken comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn baka. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Anyone here know some japanese online radio that has people talking all day?

>>24796789
yes, anyone here knows

>>24796767
i'm legit in the same boat as him... i don't want to sound like a texan, a new yorker, a german, or a japanese person, etc. when i speak any langauge

>>24796801
cope cause your left hemisphere underdeveloped lol

>>24794802

Previous threads:
>>24764209 #2473
>>24754166 #2472
>>24733152 #2471
>>24712583 #2470

>>24796814
i'm open to hearing your reasons for wanting to sound like someone you're not...
identity issues perhaps?

i yabadabadab on qm and every other shitfaced cunt itt

>>24796801
stop coping so hard and maybe work on pronouncing japanese in a way that doesn't make you sound like a retard

>>24796821
most accents make you look like a retard, that's the problem.

>>24796793
your funny!

>>24796821
it's not like you were born in a certain region of japan and you have some accent you're naturally attached to. you literally are just too lazy to actually make an effort to pronounce the language the way it's supposed to be and hiding behind "muh accent". you don't have a japanese accent you're just speaking japanese wrong

>>24796833
i only want to be understood, i don't want to sound like someone i'm not

>>24796842
???
bad take, 0 iq
multiple native accents coexist even within a single language

is this padding

>>24796871
cool it with the racism pal

>>24796920
no one is asking you to speak in a japanese accent in your native language. how are you giving up your "identity" by speaking another language the way it's pronounced normally? you don't even have an identity in japanese that's the same as your native language

yeah im thinking jamal, mary, ciaran are all based

>>24796970
>how are you giving up your "identity" by speaking another language the way it's pronounced normally?
1. there is no "normal" way to pronounce it, just a bunch of fucking regional dialects
2. trying to sound like i have a different accent is retarded, you probably have identity issues

gonna make my accent that of a japanese person pretending to talk with a foreign accent, pic related

>>24796972
gonna keep asking this but someone tell me wtf this ciaran guy has done to prove he knows any japanese? ive never seen anything whereas jamal and mary have posted vocaroos

>>24797031
>everyone in japan has two different accents
lmfao wut
also no one has answered my simple request yet:

>>24796821
>i'm open to hearing your reasons for wanting to sound like someone you're not...

>>24797170
you should at the very least make an effort to be as close to the average citizen's speech patterns as possible
>still seems like you have identity issues
why all this armchair psychology dude

>>24797168
holy fucking yikes, you sound n5
can you use a trip so i can filter out your beginner advice?

>>24797226
you say this but it's probably more than you'll ever do

>>24797322
bbbbut i'll lose my identity dude!!!!

>>24797234
have you read nothing i've posted?
>i only want to be understood, i don't want to sound like someone i'm not

>>24797285
how is that relevant at all? all you said was "be as close to the average citizen's speech patterns"... anyway, do the same thought experiment for a french guy it's just as ridiculous.

>>24797294
yes, if you've been somewhere long enough that you have naturally acquired a new accent then you no longer have the same identity. though i've literally never heard of anyone doing this except people that go out of their way to train their accent to sound like locals

>>24797266
if a native english speaker has trouble being understood because their accent is different then yea i definitely think you should invest some effort into being more intelligible.

>>24797336
>>i only want to be understood, i don't want to sound like someone i'm not
so will you try harder to pronounce japanese properly if you're not understood? or will you just give up because you might lose your identity

reminder that matt only cares about pitch accent because its the only thing that makes his "method" different from khazs

>>24797391
what is a chilean accent

>>24797431
why are you deliberately choosing an inefficient method that has you being forced to convey more information than is required
this is nothing but an excuse, and it's a flimsy one at that

傾城傾国

>>24797531
it's a shit excuse
if the guy just said he doesn't want to it'd be fine or whatever but all this meandering is retarded

i can't speak like a native and i don't think you must but the reason i can't is that i'm way too lazy and/or don't think it's a worthwhile investment. i don't have to make up excuses about identity or that it's completely unimportant or some shit lol

>>24797558
how much do you love this gif?

>>24797583
actually it's because you can't and never will be able to sound native haha good excused though

>>24797592
in japanese ら is like the english ra but the tongue touches the roof of the mouth
try it

hate when people make stupid points near me

filtering yall

Before my children were born, I had traveled to Japan twice and was starting to learn the Kanji and I listened to the JapanesePod101 podcast when it first started up. I gave all that up, though, when having a baby in the house. But now that baby is 11 years old, and our whole family loves watching subtitled Anime.

So, I figure it is time to get back to learning Japanese. We will start off mostly as self-study. However, one of my son's best friends is bilingual and there are a few parents in my community who are native Japanese speakers. My goal, is to one day be able to read something like a Manga in its original language, and understand an Anime without subtitles.

Our family dream is to some day travel back to Japan as a whole family.

can someone write up a script to interface with reddit for filtering out reddit reposts or something

>>24797920
this is why i hate matt he gives people an idiot proof path to fluency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PMl0et9jZA

>>24797970
i stump this guy and i'm not even trying

there's a guy who reuploads almost every nhk radio show on youtube to like 20 diff accounts if you like boring radio shit that's your best bet there's thousands of videos

>>24797940
lol nice tie-in i wasn't thinking of that

I’m going to try asking in Japanese (forgive me):

作文が読んでいるでは子供が逆立ちをしています。漢字でこの文を書きたい: 「そのうちに、あせがながれて、たたみについている手の下がぬれてきた。」 僕の質問は、「ついて」が、「着」と「付」どちら使いますか。「着」だと思っています。ありがとうございます！

In an essay I’m reading, a child is doing a handstand. I’d like to write this sentence in kanji: 「そのうちに、あせがながれて、たたみについている手の下がぬれてきた。」 My question is, which kanji to use for ついて, 着 or 付? I am thinking it is 着. Thank you!

Ultimately, I’ve translated the sentence to “Before long, I was sweating and the tatami mat under my hands was getting wet.” I think つく here is identifying the contact between the hands and the mat. With 着く as to reach or sit on and 付く as attached, connected to or stuck to, I’m just uncertain which to choose.

>>24798055
post it

>>24798057
as i said it's on like 20 diff channels cause he's trying to evade copyright claims just go on YouTube and search nhk ラジオ or the name of some specific program (気になる日本語 is probably the most relevant one for this thread it's about recent new slang and stuff)

>>24797268
you're fucking with us, right?

whys liberals want to ruin anime for everyones else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feSVtC1BSeQ
i have a boner

>>24797980
english music at that
unless its a station from hiroshima or something

>>24798161
expats get almost no active input though. ive lived in japan and if you don't have a tv it's pretty easy to avoid hearing any substantial amount of japanese never mind actively listening to it

without rtk you ngmi

>>24798161
immersion is a bad word to use as it makes it seem passive. consumption would be a better word as you're actively trying to understand what you're reading or watching.

>>24798264
cool are you also a gamer?

>>24798214
n8ke gives out a deck of 6300 kanji and tells people to learn just the first 500 now and the rest later. m2tt gives out deck of 1000 kanji, and then gives them 200 more to add, and now they're asking for 800 more.

i've been studying Japanese for a little over a year, i'm not as far as i'd like but i'm resolved not to give up, i'm getting pretty good at reading and writing japanese i've got a beginners grasp on grammar and i know over 200 kanji, but my listening skills are garbage. i'm looking for something to listen to while i'm at work, its mostly manual labor so i'm kinda wasting my time not listening to japanese, if anyone has any recommendations i'd really appreciate it

>>24798274
not really why

>>24798234
>>24798246
>>24798259
https://youtu.be/OrI1MRHCHAg?t=1843

noticed n*ke used lotr stories on that one yesterday

>>24798291
見てないし思わない

31 year old guy here. I've been doing this MIA thing for a full year now, so I thought I'd write a personal update both for myself and for anyone who is interested.

I studied Japanese for a few years in my late teens and early twenties using traditional methods, and spent a little time in Japan. I ultimately got busy with life and a career, and didn't do any Japanese for almost 10 years. I came across AJATT and then MIA last year, decided to jump back in.

I had some basic ability at the beginning. I could understand a word here and there in native speech, but rarely could understand full sentences. I bought 単語 N5, but ended up knowing almost all the words in it. Watching native media was frustrating, and I could usually only follow the story from visual cues, and not from what was being said. I was skeptical that this style of learning would work.

Where am I at today? Well the progress I've made is pretty huge. I'd say I'm solidly inside "stage 2" of MIA using the criteria:

When listening to basic spoken content (such as talking-head YouTube videos or slice-of-life TV shows) you can usually understand at least 50% of the words in most sentences, and fully understand a longer sentence around once every few minutes.

I can watch a TV show or a movie and actually follow and enjoy the story just from my listening comprehension. The amount of times I understand a full sentence is amazing to me. I'm playing a retro JRPG where most of the story is text, and I feel like I'm kicking ass. Not like it's a physics text book or something, but I can read it!

There's still a lot of stuff in my immersion that I don't understand, but I feel like I'm reaching a "tipping point" where there are a large number of words that I can infer the meaning of based on the context of the sentence. I also feel like my brain has gotten a lot faster and more comfortable with interpreting words that I already know.

So what have I been doing? I started with RRTK. I didn't feel great about it honestly, and if I were starting over I would skip it. I'm not a fan of mnemonics for this kind of thing. I understand It works well for other people, and that's fine.

remembering the good times

yeah that's it im done with this thread

>>24798343
>When listening to basic spoken content (such as talking-head YouTube videos or slice-of-life TV shows) you can usually understand at least 50% of the words in most sentences, and fully understand a longer sentence around once every few minutes.
>I can watch a TV show or a movie and actually follow and enjoy the story just from my listening comprehension.
is this what mia turds mean by following a story despite understanding less than half the sentences (if they only understand half the words per sentence on average)? wtf? surely most shows must feel samey to them.

standard and kansai are the only japanese officially recognized by me

>>24798375
only plotfags care about shit like dialogue

>>24798402
being a plotfag is the peak of existence

should i add every new word i encoutner to anki

>>24798384
そがいわるかといっちょらんで
おいしまばるっぽのこもおるばい

>>24798402
by entertaining yourself with the uniqueness of each work and not seeing the art of anime as a formula that must be followed

>>24798332
WTF u actually watch these????????

>>24798423
every voiced word, yes

>>24798444
ciaran says anki is irrelevant to getting good

>>24798427
boy yuru yuri sure is "unique" huh

>>24798450
i already said earlier he's never proved he knows japanese so i ignore that manlet

>>24798402
watch monogatari ironically

but ciaran made the ttgl subs on kitsunneko and also made a transcript from a jidaigeki clip plus he's majoring in translation so you know he's committed

赤丸剤 me on dolly

When you say immersion, how much active active and passive do you do within those 1-5 hours?

I personally aim for 2 hours of active listening and as much passive listening as possible through out the day, so it can vary from 2-5 hours sometimes.

I'm trying to gauge what sort of hours people put in, i'm about 9 months in and i don't feel quite at your level haha.

>>24798517
>mary said it was full of errors
no he didn't he said he noticed a few errors also mary says ciaran is better than him
>you wouldn't say someone who needs to hear something 5 times to know japanese because they can transcribe it. you've no idea how long it could have taken
yea but this probably selectively applied skepticism

>>24798528
HAHAHAH imagine getting input when you could "study" loooool fucking cultists

>>24798534
all im saying is if he knew japanese he would have no issues posting in japanese or making a vocaroo. mary is a poor judge because he values kanji knowledge too highly and they're both anki drones

I invented a secret proven method that will let you learn japanese EASILY, and I'm not telling you all. Never gonna make it

>mary is a poor judge
>mary said it was full of errors
???????

mary is a poor judge of japanese skill because his whole reason for thinking that is because of ciarans quiz performance but that's just french scrabble tier shit. mary is obviously a lot better because he's shown vocaroos and japanese posts

>>24798542
you dont think actually learning vocabulary and grammar you dont know is more efficient than just listening to japanese you dont understand lol?
maybe if you are a neet you can do that but if you actually have a job like the majority of functional people you shouldnt do active listening

lol

>>24798617
vn adaptations can never do the originals justice

oh uh i woke up feeling sexy again

>>24798402
wtf bro
its all about the how not the what
thats the core of nonplotfriends

>>24798615
average bait
i'll give it a 4.5 out of 10

>>24798617
xDDD
as epique as commiesubs

i just want to see the false gods of this thread like jamal and ciaran brought down to size and the rightful kaiser regain his position

>>24798711
are you leyline guy?

>>24798737
well technically the argument isn't over. but i understand bowing out since no one has ever refuted me on this point.

>>24798711
shoulda read saya no uta and hanachirasu

>>24798699
>>24798686
please quote the post next time so i can quickly fid out who you're replying to. thanks!

66
wtf?

>>24798733
This is what anime does to your soul.

>>24798701
>how many have you read
2
>which ones have you read
katawa shoujo and doki doki literature club

>>24798793
read one book a day at least

>>24798793
ctrl alt f4 but unironically

>>24798823
whats the pun bros

>>24798793
type in random hiragana in youtube search bar
scroll a bit down and click a random video
turn on autoplay
leave it on for 9 hours while you listen
trust me bro you'll be immersed

>>24798793
close this page
leave this general
come back in ~4 years to lord over us

@24798711
>leyline
>angel beats
i see the problem here

>>24798840
whats ur issue

Uhhhhh rrtkbros and MIAfags????

I'm very excited to have been accepted to a one year internship in Japan for next year! I decided to challenge myself by doing the letter to my host families in English and in Japanese, but I'd like some help in making sure I didn't make any silly mistakes. I didn't leave my comfort zone grammatically speaking, but it's been so long since I've written anything in Japanese that I know I must've written something that sounds weird. Personal details have been redacted. If anyone could help me look it over I would really appreciate it!

こんにちは！私の名前は[X]で[X]才です。[X]州の出身です。まだ出さなかったけどワシントンDCの[X]大学の学生です。専攻は国際関係で、三年間日本語を勉強しました。DCみたいな大きい市に住むのは楽しく面白かったです。新しい人に会うことや色々なことをしてみるのが好きでした。 両親と弟のところ三匹のかわいい犬がいます。趣味はドローイングや読書やボードゲームです。小さい万年筆のコレクションがあります。家の近くの浜に行くも好きです。 日本に行たことがありません。実際はあまり旅行しません。日本や日本文化について知りたいです。料理が好きから和食もついて覚えたいです。自由研究は神社についてから沢山神社に訪ねて欲しいです。 よろしくお願いします！

>i'd trust an authority who's only watched 5 minutes of anime in his life over a non authority who's watched 2000 anime.

>>24798880
wtf heisig...

>>24798892
this is where quiz ultimately fails me
unless you've watched 500 shows AT LEAST you will not even be considered a beginner in my eyes

>>24798917
not sure

>>24798917
chrono trigger, pokemon and digimon

>>24798343
>I feel like I'm reaching a "tipping point"
Just a reminder that this feeling lasts for like 3 years straight, good luck though.

>>24798957
enjoy the ride down lol

the thing is most vns aren't trying to be a tightly written story if you want that you should read a novel
vns are an outlet for lonely nerds into an alternate reality that's why they mention all that mundane shit to make it more immersive as if you're actually living as the protag

>>24798961
遅い

>>24798954
this feels like you want to turn my post against myself by claiming something i've never said

For me, it's Light Novels

muv- luv is shit lol
i still cant believe i went through the first and the second game so i could drop the third one in the middle because i wanted to date meiya

>>24798981
thats a FUCKING magazine

>>24798978
i was just trying to find out if you matter

@24799007
>mad that sumika won
yeah
>and is best girl? ;)
nah

>>24799001
how many lns have you read

>>24798989
no i'm only at 320 shows currently

>>24798998
enjoy the ride down lol

>>24798972
clearly for maximum happiness efficiency you should stay at 5k words

>>24798976
>vns are an outlet for lonely nerds into an alternate reality
like every single piece of otaku media? lol

>>24799014
uuuuh
no

>>24799025
Yes.

>>24799014
if vns are boring then lns are like blowing your head off with a shotgu out of tedium

you dont need more than 20k unless you are a nerd reader

>>24799017
i tried reading railgun and haruhi

>>24799023
the happiness comes from the "i'm almost there" feeling

it's an illusion based on how frequency works though

time increases exponentially and results decrease exponentially, so you just get stuck with that feeling until you eventually realize how long it's really going to be

>>24798821
how can u be an authority on anime in any capacity having watched only 5 minutes of it lol makes no fucking sense

>>24799030
you must be reading the wrong novels

guys why aren't you replying to my posts????

>>24799067
except medicine, engineering, chemistry, physics, math, programming and literally everything else in existence

stfu

>>24799055
i have 11k cards i was basing it off my english vocab

thinking you're close at 5k is like thinking you're halfway to 99ing a skill in osrs when you're at level 50

>>24799067
it's true i just saw a guy who played 2 vn routes express the issues of the genre much better than a guy who's read 90 ganes. some people are just blind to the truth while others carry the light with them

speaking of lns i finished volume 16 of death march today
feeling sad as i'm slowly approaching the end

＠no.24799073
happyかい

>>24799079
woah. this is a good analogy.

>>24799067
your posts are somehow getting even more retarded

>>24799084
>16 volumes of isekai trash
not sure if based or insane

>24799098
mega cringe, why even learn to read a language if you hate what's written in it lol

some people are just more easily entertained than others and that's all there is to it

>>24799098
>idont need to read one entirely to find out they are boring and badly written
uh huh
>why dont you pick an actual book
i do both personally ;)
been going through some 横溝 正史 recently

>>24799113
because im not obsessed with ot*ku shit and because that doesnt mean there arent good works

does 1080p actually look better for for old anime tv shows (like 80s)

>>24799143
i don't read lns
if you want to "identify" people which fails here 90% of the time i suggest going back to discord

what are some well regarded lns? kinda like what muramasa is for vns, not stuff like fsn. both titles are popular but one is actually respected.

>>24799144
recommend something good then
most lns are just anime with no animation, good looking characters or sound, not even images like manga, just fucking words for fucks sake
and writing isnt exactly where the strength of anime lies so its obviously theyre going to be trash

>>24799137
>>>/int/djt

>just fucking words for fucks sake
this is the guy telling people to pick up actual books

@24799199
light novels arent books
if you have ever read a book you would know that, but since you actually like lns i doubt lo

>>24799181
you said >i do both personally ;)
in the context of reading lns and normal books. why are you lying?

>>24799216
i read rtk. what now retard?? thats a book. bet you didnt think of that
retatrd

can we be real for a second

if you've ever bought a real life japanese textbook, manga, etc. you are not going to make it past intermediate

>>24799218
i said that in the context of vns you dumb fuck
learn to read

@24799197
ya but thats not we we are discussing rn

>>24799206
i want people to stop pretending there are good lns when that's all there is

>>24799238
retard go and look at your own reply chain the original post was about lns from here >>24799017

so lns are like anime but in book form? with sporadic illustrations? is that right? if so why would you ever read that???

dont you get it though light novels are self aware so its really cool and deep commentary that just looks like shitty isekai you are just too stupid to understand

all the times my card production dropped to 0 are the times i got super drunk looool

>>24799260
i feel like smashing my head into thewall

good syosetu exist
some good anime exists
some good vns exist
no good lns exist

>>24799245
jap novels are just lns but with a few more slightly rare words

>>24799245
they hated him because he told the truth

this guy still hasn't explained why lns are not books

>>24799294
>jap
you know thats a slur right

you know how in this thread we started with basic memes, inside jokes to gatekeep the newfags a bit

but eventually everyone knew those memes, so we were forced to go even deeper

repeat this process about 10x and we end up at what this thread is

that is what light novels do with the isekai genre, you guys are just too newfag to understand

>>24799310
recommend me some good lns

>>24799320
you have to read the bad ones first to appreciate the good ones

>>24799310
name an ln with good writing
they're literally just anime scripts and there's no good anime made from lns

>>24799325
the "bad" ones are actually the good ones, like how most people would look at this thread and say it's braindead retards posting, but in reality we are all 5 levels of irony deep

>>24799310
I can *feel* good and bad writing but I haven't actually read enough to know *why* it's good or bad. Howard would hate me for this but it's true. It goes without saying that I also don't write.

the sooner you realize all j*p media is inferior to Western media and drop this shit useless language the better

>>24799310
yeah
i'm also suspecting they're not even good enough at nihongo to even tell what good writing is in the first place

>>24799238
waiting for your apology bro

>>24799310
you dont need to read "classic literature" to see lns are shit dude, and this just shows how much of a low iq you are for thinking theyre any good lol
you still dont seem to understand that the problem is that theyre anime scripts without anything that makes anime actually good

>>24799338
what did i do this time

>>24799346
this but i am balls deep attached to this language

>>24799369
you know what u did

>>24799320
>>24799334
>>24799368
I don't read LNs I just think the argument you are going for is childish. Surely it doesn't occur to you that writing off an entire publishing subset that you're completely unfamiliar with is juvenile and close minded?

>>24799376
no
not him but no good lns exist

what are some good lns where the protag isn't a mediocre kid who has 10 girls lusting for his cock aka very blatant escapism that no one sane would read

>>24799346
learning japanese really made me appreciate how incredible yet complicated english is and how grateful i am to be an english native

>>24799376
yeah maybe they could help me change my mind recommending me a good ln but they wont do it lol

>>24799376
nah dude he's read a page of haruhi he knows what he's talking about

>>24799368
what makes anime good

>>24799383
awww did kirito trigger you?

>>24799376
not necessarily. they may be familiar with them despite not spending much time with them. they may both be authorities on the subject. you should ask questions to gauge their level of authority in that case.

all the most popular lns come from the equivalent of livejournal type sites. you're reading the japanese version of twilight and 50 shades of grey and calling people elitist for saying it's bottom of the barrel trash.

>>24799310
>>24799389
your butthurt is palpable
now how about recommending some good lns huh

>>24799388
you're going to say it's shit without reading it no matter what's recommended so what's the point

tfw native has retarded grammar on top of 7 cases

if only it were in demand i'd be able to do some comfy translation work on the side

>>24799386
>how incredible yet complicated english is and how grateful i am to be an english native
spoken like a true eop, why don't you learn a real language like a romance one, germanic languages read like ass and sound like ass

Im subbed to a few jap channels but i dont want to get made fun of so im not gonna share

the haruhi lns must be good for how great the show is

>>24799376
the entire subset is predicated on being easy to read fiction hence light novel its literally impossible to make a good one or it wouldnt be an ln

>>24799401
haha look at this retard he unironically reads sao holy shit

>>24799405
and all the most popular books are twilight and harry potter style shit

whats your point? i guess all books are shit now and all movies are shit since marvel sucks lol

>>24799424
i feel like you didn't understand the point i was trying to make but i don't feel like explaining it so oh well

>>24799426
just post something

youtube recomended this to my japanese yt account https://youtu.be/M7zMFnGUij0

i think hes winning the japanese world series or something

>>24799438
my point is there aren't any lns that don't fit this categorisation since the published lns are just ones that got popular on these sites and literally all the writers trying to make money writing these trash pulp fiction for morons just piggyback endlessly trying to get popular

>>24799429
>the entire subset is predicated on being easy to read fiction
this is not true at all would love to hear where you got this definition from
a japanese source of course

just name good lns bro
even vnbros can name shit like muramasa
name good lns

>>24799459
except not every ln is originated as a web novel you have literally no idea what you're talking about lol

>>24799463
oreimo

>>24799463
sorry i stopped responding to "name X" posters a long time ago because of how closed minded they tend to be

>>24799462
it's literally in the name dude go and read the japanese wikipedia article for light novel

>>24799477
i accept your concession, and i bid you farewell

@24799477
>lns are shit
>n-no they are not
>name a good ln
>...
lol

>>24799482
i did it says there is no clear definition that separates them from regular novels

>>24799473
note that you can't actually name a good ln though

>>24799429
dont even know what a light novel is lol

also imaging thinking a piece of literatures worth is based on how hard it is to read lmao, you a re fucking stupid

>learn 3/4th of the 20k common vocabset
>watching anime after a year, raw
>"going to be good this time"
>作り込み
what's even the fucking point of grinding if I'm never going to be able to cover enough

i'm glad we can all agree than lns are by far the worst japanese media
let's laugh at ln drones together

>>24799477
that's not fair at all i was genuinely asking earlier for recs as someone who hasn't read lns.

>>24799491
that's a pretty disingenuous framing since it gives a lot of different ways of categorisation there's just no clearcut one that everyone agrees on but most of the definitions are basically shit like "fuckin trash anime script"

ningen shikkaku is the best ln

why would you ever read an ln instead of a manga? makes no fuckin sense

>>24797001
>ive never seen anything whereas jamal and mary have posted vocaroos
are you calling jamal's fake high pitched あの。。。あのすまん vocaroo's proof of anything.

>>24799512
>but most of the definitions are basically shit like "fuckin trash anime script"
except not a single possible definition listed there says that

>>24799506
you are literally this image >>24798972 you're on your way up though so keep it up.

>>24799529
my imagination is good enough that i don't need pictures to demonstrate the narrative for me

>name good anime
good anime is named
>name good syosetu
good syosetu is named
>name good vns
good vns are named
>name good manga
good manga are named
>name good lns
...

>>24799554
monogatari

sorry i dont like getting e bullied

>>24799554
狼と香辛料

>>24799554
haruhi
oreimo
konasuba

>>24799556
how about something thats not worse than its adaption

>>24799545
hard to imagine anything when lns lack quality writing, rich characters and detailed situations
typical ln plot:
"character X was feeling very Y so she said to character Z that..."

>>24799574
monogatari

>>24799506
yeah but if you have rarely have to look up a word, you're reading at least is much more seamless than if you're a sub 4000 vocab peasant like me who'll have random sentences with nearly no known vocabulary.

>>24799593
>anon
>>>/a/

note that none of the ln defenders itt have named a single ln worth defending. monogatari and haruhi are shit and the rest is just isekai trash lmfao

>>24799594
your*

lnbros i don't feel so good

>>24799592
i mean people who watch a 3 minute pop-sci video feel about as confident as a graduate in that field so yeah true

>>24799605
>>24799565

>>24799605
>name a good vn
>people post some
>response is "they're shit" with 0 explanation as to why
totally didnt see that coming

>monogatari and haruhi are shit
they're average at least but yeah, irredeemable trash all around

>>24799618
yeah but what the fuck does that mean, i can't read japanese you retard

>>24799605
post a good vn then

wish robert would leave my sure

honestly the isekai lns i've read were harder in terms of vocab than the suiri novels i've read

>>24799645
no thats bad. post a good anime

>>24799638
non non biyori
>>24799625
saya no uta

objective rating
syosetu>anime>manga>vns>>>>>shit>>>lns

the idea of reading volumes of something just strikes me as very low iq. don't you get bored with the same writing styles the same characters the same tropes?

>>24799641
it sure is, its publishing label was literally shoujo esque light novels

講談社X文庫ホワイトハート

muramasa is ciaran AND quizmaster endorsed and they both have incredibly refined taste with high standards

>>24799672
naruto

>>24799674
i can hear the nervousness in your voice its making me cringe just stop

>>24799737
>>24799748
yikes

>insert medium/instance of medium here
>call it shit despite having little to no experience with it
>smugly ask for examples of good shit
>call them shit if provided
it's all so tiring

>>24799662
not at all you grow fond of the characters and if the author is decent he will mix things up enough to keep it interesting while retaining the elements that made the series appeal to you in the first place

>>24799724
yea pretty much all the good "light novels" people bring up here aren't considered lns by japanese people

>>24799748
i'm getting second hand embarrassment just stop

wow jamals fucking finished which is ok because there are cooler guys like ciaran and howard to talk about

>>24799758
boruto

>>24799777
>when a beta tries to appear alpha
i feel more comfortable opening rekt gif's than your vocaroo's

>Matt says you must do 90% listening and 10% reading or you'll cripple yourself
>actually just kidding! You should read first until you're fluent then catch your listening up
What the fuck

>cure dolly
Alright, you guys got me. Good joke.

>>24799807
$$$

>>24799807
his opinion hasn't actually changed, he says different things for different goals

>>24799724
講談社X文庫ホワイトハート（こうだんしゃエックスぶんこホワイトハート）は、講談社が1991年に創刊したライトノベル系文庫レーベル

>>24799836
he used j subs
should i use j subs

i was excited for a new era of jamal when he made that 1 blog post but its just been downhill ever since

>>24799805
she is literally the best option for learning grammar but hey, go through tae kim if you want to learn the wrong way

im addicted to djt

>>24799850
lol who even gives if your listening is shit but you can read, just watch anime with jsubs

japanese learning "experts" never tell you to use the methods they used because they just acquired the language without worrying about whether they were doing it in the absolute optimal way
so now someone like matt just wings it and hopes that his followers 'make it' so he can prove his methods actually work

why these nips gotta talk so fucking fast i can't make out what the god damn hell they're saying

i see no ln fans feel comfortable having their favorite reviewed

>>24799878
me

remember press v on mpv to hide your jsub crutch

https://youtu.be/lk0gm_Z81bE?t=32

matt refuted most of you in a recent comment here
https://www.reddit.com/r/MassImmersionApproach/comments/hlr2dd/listening_vs_reading_how_to_balance_them_when/fxyb2tj/?context=3

>>24799916
baby steps
start with precure

>>24799920
except for the fact that this fuck was touting his method as the RIGHT one and doing shit outside it would cripple you
fuck off

>>24799920
i gave him an upvote haha

ok bros time to watch some unsubbed bnha see you on the flip side

>>24799916
relax bro at least jsubs make you like a deaf Nip, that's leagues above a filthy dekinai gaijin

>>24799956
yeah we're all about to go watch so anime too, sure

>>24799956
why would you watch this faggot shit?

Hey, I'm about 9 days in and I think you might have to start doing the work the RTK deck did for you. Depending on if you went solely on the stories the deck had or not, most of the mnemonics were created for you, so now you will have to keep it up with your own stories to remember how words are pronounced. Like for 火曜日(かようび, Tuesday) I made up "I was driving on a hot(火) Tuesday, in my か(Pronounce car like I have a Boston accent "cah" so it matches more with the Japanese sound.) You would do this until how it is pronounced becomes second nature which isnt long for most. I recommend making mnemonics that tie in the meaning, the kanji you see, and how it's pronounced(all 3 if needed.) Not all words need this treatment from my experience, but this definitely helps me remember things.

>>24799956
that's a bad shounen try a good one

Use mnemonics with sex, violence etc cause they are easier to stick. Anyways after immersion and more anki reps you wont need to remember these stories so dont worry. Some I still remember even after some years lul (I tried to learn the language in 2010). Like the one for drink, you think about going out with friends and you NOMInate a driver /designate a driver who wont drink.

I will give some examples of my own, but I am not english native

質問[しつもん] ShitsuMON = shit monday full of questions

妹[いもうと] (Wanikani is not entirely bad, this is copy paste from it) Your younger sister is really into emotes (いもうと). You tell your younger sister: "HEY, STOP SENDING ME EMOTES."

But the japanese repeat so many "sounds" for different kanji, I ll see later what will be my struggles :) I am also 15% into Tango N5, Finished RRTK, grammar will be done asap. But atm Tango is not that hard.. But I have the audio on my ipod too for when I rarely go outside. And I do alot of passive listening of news

>>24799979
>doing RTK
it's already too late for you, sorry

this place is real bucket of crabs, do both sub and unsubbed and you're going to improve, subs are a crutch but I guess lil baby who can't walk on his own shouldn't get any help, why don't you walk already you fucking retard huh? why can't you do it like us adults? haha fucking epic mindset dude, you are so fucking mad because you also have 10% listening comprehension and seeing someone 'cheating' and achieving 90% with subs absolutely makes your blood roil, this shit can't be do it like me and suffer like me you retard you can't cheat you can't study smart, just walk already bro i mean your legs haven't even developed yet but just do it you stupid baby why can't you stand up are you retarded huh? huh??? you are a year old already and you still can't walk????? why don't you pick up that bike without the training wheels, are you a stupid kid? look at how many bruises i'm so friggin epic, i mean i can't ride the bike yet but look at my fucking bruises lmao training wheels are for babies

>>24799979
>needs mnemonics for weekdays
ngmi

>>24799972
>>24799980
It's good though. Really fuckin good. Hits all the right spots except for the lack of pettanko girls.

So dumb that Matt touted listening constantly without reading at all as the one true method while not realizing that reading increases your vocab at a faster rate. Why even listen to anything he says?

>>24799972
it was actually pretty good for a shonen through to the all might vs all for one fight. gotta say it's gotten bad after than though

subfags still have yet to explain why the people with 300 days watched on mal still aren't fluent

>>24800007
>It's good though. Really fuckin good.
fuck off retard

Friends... I bought an ereader so I can read my ranobes in japanese comfortable without having to spend too much money but it's horrible
I could barely find some kind of dictionary for it and whenever I try to select a word to translate it, it selects the whole sentence since there are no spaces

>>24799996
subs is like sitting on the back of the bike while someone else peddles lol cope harder

>>24800019
It's because those folks aren't trying to pick out the words, it's the difference between active and passive listening, dekiru and dekinai, yin and yang

>>24800007
whats good about it

>>24799996
i would never threaten anyone but if i ever got into a self defense situation with you i would turn your fucking skull into my own personal bowl of clam chowder

>>24800054
jsubs and raw

god i hate this place so goddamn fucking much

>>24800049
take turns and do both retard why do you have to stick to one thing when you can do both you stupid autist, despite what you were told brain plasticity only diminishes it doesn't disappear, the more variation in your studies the more it'll stick to your wits, get that through your thick skull already

>>24800071
you should "leave and go watch some anime" like everyone else is doing right now

raw is the best and there is no reason for me to alternate with inferior methods

>>24800055
BNHA ruined shounen anime and manga for me. It's got an amazing premise. Subtle yet well done world building. Fantastic, continual character development. Logical power levels and progression. Perfectly choreographed fights. Memorable characters. An amazing balance between good and evil. An original twist on eastern and western tropes. Cute girls and cute boys to satisfy all audiences, but it doesn't rub it in your face. And when you watch it, you can't help but whisper to yourself "kandoushita." I used to be a HxH fan, but BNHA at it's highest heights destroys Togashi so hard he'll never pick up a pen again.

>>24800007
>Hits all the right spots
if you're a kid who hasn't seen shounen before then yea

why even bother listening at all if you use jsubs? just go read more

>>24800088
You need jsubs to pick up new words

>>24800088
exactly, it's like saying "you can alternative between staring at a wall and watching raw anime and you'd still make practice"

that doesn't explain why you should stare at a wall in the first place though