/jp/ - Otaku Culture

/jp/ died the same way it was created
through shitty spam and shitty moderation

By watching hololive while smoking and crying

nothing much, really.

>>31164913
Died they same way it was born, from cringy shitposters who couldn't contain their epic memes.
You little bitches don't even try to auto moderate your intellectual and cultured fart odor threads anymore.

aren't you exaggerating a little bit?

>>31165387
Sometimes you have to accept that it's just over.

This already happened to /v/ years ago. It began on /jp/ a year or so ago and now it’s come full circle. As a shitty /v/tard myself, I humbly welcome you to hell. If you want to leave this board and never come back then feel free. As a /v/tard and somebody who also posts here on /jp/ I fully welcome you to move from one hell to another.....or you could also move to >>>/vg/2hug. That also works.

Touhou can at least go to /vg/. Where the fuck do all the idol and seiyuu threads go without being buried

>>31166684
It all returns to nothing

I just want to understand why mods have to be too stubborn to realize that making a single new board would solve all problems and make everyone happy, EXCEPT for the shitters who want to ruin everything for everyone.

>>31164913
What's our fuhrerbunker, /jp/?

>>31164913
/jp/ already died long ago

>>31166684
Idolshit can go to >>>/vg/ as well since IM@S, Revue, Bandori, and Love Live all have generals there. As for Vtubers/Hololive.....who fuckin knows. In all honesty /v/ is probably a safe bet since it’s already filled with e-celeb threads.

>>31166793
kakashi-nenpo seems to align the most

>>31166729
>the shitters who want to ruin everything for everyone
Perhaps certain people belong to that category.

Ya'll are such drama queens.

>>31166906
>>>/qa/3730633
You mean the mod who allowed this entire bullshit to happen?
Fuck, and here I was praising the moderation for keeping hololive contained despite their massive activity.

>>31166941
>>31165387
This is not a raid or an invasion like the ones /jp/ has endured before. It's a whole shift in the userbase and purpose of the board.

>>31166986
Each H*lolive alone racks up more live viewers than youtube titans like pewdiepie ever did. EACH ONE, that shit can't be contained.

>>31164913
You weren't even here in 2008 you filthy /jp/secondary

>>31167112
time to grow up then

>>31164913
It isn't over. Pay attention. It's just some shitposting so give it a few days. (plus touhou and the fan base is never done, friend)

If you want this to be over faster adapt, start making your own hololive threads, flood the board so hopefully the anons who actually care about hololive can get their own board and not have to deal with congestion as well.

>>31167112
>It's a whole shift in the userbase and purpose of the board.
We still own this board

>>31167112
They aren't happy also, they just want the two threads. It's just /qa/ shitpsoting and the mods going along with the shitposting having a mod war.
From what I hear someone spammed /qa/ with shark pictures with ponies hidden in them and then they came here to shit becuase I guess people home /qa/? and the mod wants to shitpost as well I gues?

Take it easy.

>>31167242
If this fucking happens. It better be an e-celeb board so /v/ can FINALLY be rid of shitty off topic e-celeb threads. Then again don’t expect this to do much. Must like /vmg/ it will likely be “discussion of Hololive/Vtubers is allowed outside of /boardnamehere/.”

>>31167304
>It's just /qa/ shitpsoting
Damage control.

>>31164913
Don't give up yet! Give feedback!.
Look at where DJT is right now, seems like this decision was taken out of spite rather than the betterment of the board.
Fuck them! くそくらえ Mods

>>31167242
>hopefully the anons who actually care about hololive can get their own board and not have to deal with congestion as well.
They don't want a board though, so it doesn't really help

>>31167304
why does /qa/ fuck with the entirety of /jp/ anyways? why /jp/?

>>31167336
It is though, you can go there and look they were literally making threads about raiding the place.

>>31167112
/jp/ - Otaku Culture
There's no shift, people are just allowed to discuss vtubers outside the 2 generals.

Is it over for the NEET Ronin? Tell it to me straight.

2hu old farts are still mad that otakus are into chubaas now, rumao

>>31167365
I said what caused it and the board is literally full of frogposters and wojack spam posters. Do you think that they're actaully smart?

>>31166816
vtumors belong on /pol/

>>31167414
>>31167304
>It's just /qa/ shitpsoting
wow I didn't now /qa/ had so many users, enough to max out with 1500+ posts several threads in 30 minutes.

>>31167493
Smart? No.
Mentally unhinged? Yes.

>>31167425
That's why I want a split, not a pony-tier ban on hololive. You can even keep half of /jp/'s name - How about /jpv/ - Otaku Culture/Vtubers?

>>31167508
Fuck reading I guess?

>>31167365
They fuck with other boards too.
They shifted the cutoff date on >>>/vr/ from 2000 to 2007 and the ensuing shitstorm made the board unusable for two months.

>>31167542
/jp/ has plenty of space for both topics. There's no written rule saying that /jp/ needs to have over 70 Touhou threads or else the board is dying to /qa/ raids (???) and rogue mods.
Simply put, more than half of the board won't be Touhou any more; it's not the end of the world.

>>31167699
Rename the board "Simp Culture"

>>31167699
>/jp/ has plenty of space for both topics
Yeah remember hearing that rationalization when relationshit threads started overtaking /r9k/ back in 09

>>31167425
>>31167542
>>31167732
>>31167699
Oh boy oh boy, this new /jp/ - otaku culture sure looks exciting.

>>31167631
What I don't get is how, years later after /qa/ was created and Hiro refused to delete it, some retards STILL think that the vast majority of that board isn't only interested in ruining as much of 4chan as they can.
>>31167699
It really doesn't. A fanbase as large as Hololive's simply can't coexist with /jp/, you can easily see how fast they are and have always been on https://4stats.io/ and how slow the rest of the board is in comparison. The only reason things had some degree of control is becase some of the moderation kept them under reins and forced them to stay confined in one thread - now that that part of the staff is MIA, you get this spam of threads that's completely killing /jp/. A split has always been the best option, and it's needed more than ever now that some mod did something stupid. Why can't you see that I want the best for Hololive fans as well? Splitting /jp/ would satisfy everyone, both you and the /jp/ regulars who just want to take it easy. Or are you so petty that you can't stand people who like things you don't? If so, that's all the more reason to not listen to you.

>>31167847
and you think this is somehow exclusive to only vtubers because....

>>31167847
Oh boy
What a joke

>>31167433
It's over
https://youtu.be/Bd7Y0ip-Dzg

This thread is a giant falseflag, you have been warned
don't bother replying to me, I'm already gone

>>31167927
Most of /hlg/ and /hlgg/ want it back to how it was

>>31167699
The issue is not the presence or lack of Touhou as in that threads now time out in under three hours. This is fine if you like the good old days of /jp/ with Bawson and King of GETS and Saten but it is inimical to serious discussion.

A simple answer would be to simply increase the capacity of the board. /vg/ increased its thread limit from 150 to 200 and the result is that thread lifespan went from 45 minutes to 8 hours. This is the simplest and most obvious solution, so I expect it implemented in between several months to four years.

>>31168015
Pretty sure this thread is people shitposting now at this point, those two thread just want to be those two thread and nothing else.

>>31167732
Please speak English or Japanese on this board.

>>31168015
The issue with the two generals is that they were too chaotic but I admit that I kind of enjoyed them sometimes. If there is absolutely no way to make a new board somehow I wouldn't mind going back to the way things were, but now that shitposters had a taste of blood, do you really think they'll stop spamming and flaseflagging unless some sort of super sharkmeido shows up?

>>31167133
go grow up to sucking dick you mature homosexual

>>31167847
I cant cry anymore
I've run out of tears

>>31168202
People are just being over dramatic. They did the same shit when Kancolle was taking over and all the 2hu threads were getting killed for Ship Girl threads.

from what I gather, the problem is that vtuber fans are stupid and, since vtubing is otaku-coded, the vtubing phenomenon brings a lot of stupid people to this board
is that about right?

if the problem is just other threads being bumped off, we could simply add more pages

>>31167699
that rule literally exists retard duck

>>31168569
wait, never mind, someone already posted that, scroll is broken on my end and I missed it

>>31168392
There's no drama about a bunch of shitposters including /qa/ spamming a slow board to death, in this case it made a few issues that have been in need of being addressed for a while even more apparent. The only solutions to them are making a new board or having extremely focused moderation, but for some reason mods are refusing to do either, and that's making the problem get bigger and bigger.

>>31168807
Okay. Now name the issues and reason we need a whole new board for Vtubers.

>>31168510
It's e-celebs talking about anime, video games and blog shit, four topics which are generally banned on /jp/ yet somehow acceptable when massive companies do it.

nothing gained and nothing lost

The most depressing part of all of this is that nothing is going to change. An e-celeb board has been one of the most requested things on this site for years but the shit eaters in charge would rather add seven new /v/ spinoffs than anything of any sort of substance. An e-celeb board would do substantially more than just help solve this problem right now, it'd help /v/, it'd help /a/, it'd help /tv/, it'd help /mu/, it'd help /r9k/, etc. etc. Mods just won't do it despite being such a popular request is because the fucking retards are part of the problem themselves. They're just as much as enamored by objectively off-topic bullshit (not only on /jp/, mind you) as the dumbasses who post them in the first place.

In addition, people need to stop acting like "oh you're just losing touhou threads and nothing else". Touhou threads are honestly some of the least worrying things about this, it's that legitimate generals for idol groups, seiyuu, game series, rhythm games, etc. are all too slow for the current state of /jp/ and simply can't survive without unnecessary bumps.

>>31166793
onesixtwo.club

>>31168986
They just don't want to get lawsuits from all the doxxing the e-celeb board would bring.

The one positive point is that these threads aren't being outright deleted like they were on /vr/ and other boards, which means the mods are simply being oblivious rather than outright malicious. They may even be reading them for feedback.
Hahahahaha.

>>31168976
>when massive companies do it.
That's what bothers me the most
Independent organically created doujin franchise replaced by corporate owned manufactured product.

>>31168947
1. The vtuber fanbase is immense.
Look at 4stats, I don't need any better proof that that. They've always been at least 10 times faster than /jp/, and the few chaotic generals they were allowed to have reached the thousands of posts in minutes, to the point where the board software had to be tweaked for them alone. This is an issue because that size of fanbase doesn't mesh with /jp/, and this issue would be solved by making a new board for them.
2. The only thing keeping them in check was good moderation.
Every now and then some shitposter tried to spam threads, but they were quickly shut down by a moderator. For some reason, that didn't happen today, leading to the current situation. This is an issue because the board is being spammed to death and all of /jp/'s threads, due to the slow speed of the board, got pushed down at record speeds. The solution would be once again a new board for vtuber discussion, either that or going back to enforcing the previous level of moderation.

Now, tell me one thing: why are you against a new board for vtubers when, assuming you're into that topic, you wouldn't have anything to lose?

>>31169138
t. web sight with board that regularly calls for acts of genocide and terrorism

>>31169316
I'm not I just wanted to make sure the legitimate reasons were put out there instead of just the usual.

>THEY NEED A BOARD AH THEY ALSO NEED A BOARD AH MAKE A BOARD FOR THAT GENERAL TOO!
Shit you usually get.

>>31169349
Exactly, imagine what they would do to these e-celebs.

>>31169349
Well look at what happened to the gamergate chan. Granted I think they were able to rebrand their site after some time.

>>31169529
Their issue was they put a target on their back and then had literal Pizza boards on the site.

>>31168510
Its doesnt matter
Nothing matters anymore
There is no hope
No light at the end of the tunnel
Its all over

>>31169257
The more I see this inaction, the more I assume they're doing this out of spite. And just on Christmas' door, too. Imagine being this petty.

>>31169281
While I, too, long for the /dg/ timeline, almost everything ``otaku culture'' falls under that category. Anime, J-pop, video games, idols, tv and film. These aren't cottage industries, and it's disingenuous to claim that /jp/ is some kind of anti-corporate holdout when touhou threads never even made up half the board.

>>31169649
jannies and the administration in general hate this board

>>31169529
You mean the one owned by the guy that now runs 5ch?

>>31164913

>>31169890
i'll say it once and say it again, A literal fucking "uwu" moderates this board

>>31169890
uwu is a retard, yes, everyone knows thanks to every single screenshot containing him.

>>31169617
The site was blacklisted by providers because too many terrorists were posting their manifestos there before shooting up a place.
>>31169843
Yes funnily enough.

>>31169890
what a bunch of fucking niggers

>>31169823
That cat look like janny lol

>>31170019
when has that ever happened, except for that one time?

>Hello Project
>Denpa
>BL / Otome
>Type-Moon
>Fumos
>Vocaloid
>Seiyuu / VAs
>Gravure
>JAV
>Sakamichi
>Kigurumis
>07th Expansion
>Virtual Novels
>Kancolle
>Idolmaster
>Rhythm Games
>Stardust Idols
>Dolls
>Alternative Idols
>Elona
>Love Live Seiyuu
>Idolmaster Seiyuu
>Bushiroad Seiyuu
>Onaholes
>AKB
>Japanese Movies and TV
>DJT
People like >>31167699 need to be fucking put down like the dogs they are when a vast majority of these generals are struggling to survive right now

so what happened to the OC threads anyway

>Simply put, more than half of the board won't be Touhou any more; it's not the end of the world.
It's not just the 2hus you brainlet, if anything 2hus are hardly the most endangered species on /jp/ and will manage to survive like cockroaches, the same way it's always been anywhere else.
Anything that isn't Vtubers and occasionally 2hus will get exterminated out of existence never to be heard from again, effectively killing whatever remains that were left from the already rusty culture that was barely hanging on to life.
Vtubers were a bloody mistake and never should've been allowed in here, and now the moderation is leaving the entire board to burn alive because they can't be assed to moderate something that's grown much bigger than they ever expected.

>>31170305
I was going to make one but I had things to do.
I also had other threads to make this week, but look at what's happening now.

>>31170135
Which one time? El paso and Christchurch had ties with that site.

>>31170356
If you make one, I will patrol this board just to keep it bumped.
I actually had other things to do, like reading and consuming things that come from the Doujin scene. But you can't have time for that with /jp/

>>31170339
>now the moderation is leaving the entire board to burn alive because they can't be assed to moderate something that's grown much bigger than they ever expected.
That's not why this is happening, it's infighting between the mods and jannies.

>>31170282
Aren't 3/4ers of these threads things other boards already have and do better?

So, where do I make the occasional VN thread now? /a/ mods ban visual novel threads despite the fact that a lot of /a/nons read them and lots of anime are VN adaptations. And /v/ is out of the question for obvious reasons.

>>31170907
continue making them on /jp/ and hope you are gonna get responses

>>31170339
There has been a vtuber general thread here continuously for around 2-3 years that managed to stay self contained and not cause an real issues. It's mostly just the hololive stuff becoming popular with westerners and attracting posters from /v/ and /pol/ that lead to this state of things. It would still just all be in a single thread otherwise.

>>31164913
You shouldn't have touhou hijacked for 12 years then. You get what you fucking deserve

>>31171165
Can we just ban holodive and leave other vtubers intact?

>>31170282
Let's play DA and break this down.

>Denpa
Is this music? So technically /mu/.
>BL / Otome
/vg/ and /y/
>Vocaloid
Also /mu/, with elements that fit on /a/, /v/ and /vg/.
>Gravure
>JAV
/s/
>07th Expansion
>Virtual(sic) Novels
>Kancolle
>Idolmaster
>Rhythm Games
All have places on /vg/, except for rhythm games all have their own threads
>Dolls
/toy/?
>Elona
/rlg/ on /vg/, also /vrpg/
>Love Live Seiyuu
>Idolmaster Seiyuu
>Bushiroad Seiyuu
Respective generals on /vg/
>Japanese Movies and TV
/tv/
>DJT
has a thread on /int/

That leaves us with the idol groups (Hello Project, Stardust Idols, Alternative Idols, AKB, Sakamichi), onaholes, and possibly fumos that have no place to go.

I am not advocating this. I know those other places are mostly shit. I know that many of those boards would not welcome those threads. I am saying this is how the people who run this site reason and operate. They do not even acknowledge ``board culture'' as a thing that exists. They want this site run under strict legalism without regard for context, the same way all remotely political discussions are funneled to /pol/. They view /jp/ as a monstrous aberration, something (unfortunately) born and too late to abort. So killing off the other topics of this board is a meaningless argument for them.

>>31171165
Hololive would've never been on /jp/ if Vtubers hadn't taken shelter here to begin with.
Cause and effect still ends up with the same result even if the early Vtubers aren't directly related to the current landscape of things.

>>31170907
anon... as a sympathizer I'm sorry. Just keep making them here, this is where they belong.
Right here in /jp/.

>>31164913
Why are mods being faggots? we were fine being contained to the Hololive Global and Virtual Youtuber threads. What's the problem?

>>31171687
I guess but it is otaku culture isn't it? It certainly seems that way you have people who have worked in anime, manga, as seiyuu, as utaite, as vocaloid producers, as idols, DJs that do the mogra type stuff, people from 2hu doujin scene and all sorts of other stuff either directly involved in it or as fans of it. They even have their own events for secondary creation and show up at the more general ones.

>>31171536
Yeah that's accurate. /jp/ is partially moderated by its own unwritten ruleset to the distaste of some staff. Everyone who actually posts here knows this is for the best, and would probably say so if asked, but their mindset is that every board should be able to look like /v/ if it wants to. Given this, it was probably passed against the wishes of the /jp/ team rather than due to them. No one was asking for this change, not even vtuber fans. In any event, there's still a good chance this leads to a new board since this is obviously a mess. If it stays though, that's going to suck.

Mods are just being fags. Hololive threads are already working with their two generals that are no different from the other generals here aside from speed.

>>31172120
Except for those two generals wiping out 8 threads every 45 minutes because the braindead homovan faggots who post in them have no idea how to make another thread without posting 10 new ones once there little auto-deletion limit is met.

>>31172435
It cleans the board of dusty threads no uses anymore

It's time.

>>31172435
>inactive thread dies
Cry me a river, they can add a billion more to the thread limit and you fags will still complain about threads getting bumped off.

>>31172511
No all it does is add 1500 useless CJ one liner shitposts hourly.

>>31172605
Well at least you admitted that your fuckedtarded Etwat posters can't even figure out how to make simple eternal CJ threads without spamming 10 threads.

won't most of the extra threads just go away eventually though? half of them are being kept alive by people obviously bumping a dead thread with shit replies every few hours and it's only been a couple of days

>>31172435
faggot, you realize the mods don't allow us to make early threads to prevent a ton of threads being created after post limit is reached? yet another problem that nobody but mods can control, but you pin it on holos because you want to engage in a autism-induced shitflinging fest. fuck off

>>31172718
>wELl at LEasT
Bitch about it in /qa/, faggot

>>31172966
The fact that you think making the thread early is the only way to ensure there are not 10 of them shows how new to the chans you are.

>>31172969
You should increase your antiretroviral therapy you HIV-associated neurocognitive disorder addled cocksucker.

>>31172969
you dont belong here

>>31172435
Before this spam, even back when those fags all tried to be the new OP at the same time, /jp/'s threads still took close to a day to archive so it wasn't too big of an issue for anything that hasn't seen a bump in 24 hours to get archived.

>>31173468
Oh granted. 30 new threads kill more threads than 12 new threads.

Scroll through this thread and then tell me we can coexist or that they're all just /qa/ shitposters >>31099574
It might as well be fucking /v/ with all the greentexting and shitty edited reaction images. Vtubers and especially hololive is just so recognized that they attract these people by default, if they start flooding the board with no filter it'll just be full of seethe/cope posting with a wojak attached in a month like the rest of this shit site. They're not all insufferable but a majority obviously couldn't give less of a shit about board culture.

Literally no one but barneybaiters use /qa/ all day, where the fuck does this notion of /qa/ "raiding" /jp/ come from?

I feel like the real spam is happening because people have been sick of your bitching and moaning just because something more popular popped up
God damn
Entire board of 2hu threads for years, as soon as there are 3 vtuber threads you start pissing and shitting
You get what you deserve

>>31173853
/qa/ is not even a community, just stragglers from other boards venting the memes and cancer they are not allowed to post in their home boards.

>>31174006
The only time there's only been 3 vtuber threads on this board is when they were forced to stick to their generals. You're either a disingenuous faggot or just a flat out retard.

>>31174006
t h r e e

>>31174202
Why are you hiding touhou threads, anon?

>>31174279
Try looking up the names of the characters in every OP on the board on https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Virtual_YouTuber_Wiki if you really are stupid enough to assume that any anime girl with a colorful design is a touhoe.

>>31166684
Dump your idols on /b/, and if they can actually sing, /mu/.

It's not fair! The catalog should have 30 dead threads dedicated to random Touhou characters, not 30 semi-active threads dedicated to random vtubers!

>>31171273
Apples and oranges. Missed the whole point.

>>31166684
>>31174412
I just realized you meant the non-Hololive idols and seiyuus, I fucked up.

>>31169890
What a bunch of fucking children. Status quo was preferable for everyone but they just can't help but be massive faggots.

>>31169453
But they already are! The threads exist. E-celebs, at least vtuber ones, already have their own board here on /jp/.
Now the mods are waiting to see how the situation turns out. Given that I heard news about this development in the fucking Star Citizen General on /vg/, it shouldn't take long.

The whole situation is ideal for them because they get to trialrun their eceleb board without having to go through the trouble of actually making it. Is having dozens of slow moving threads more manageable than having one fast moving one? I don't know, we'll see. Probably at the moment, it all depends on if they start moving faster. There don't seem to be more meidos on duty so they're fucked if it does happen and people start advocating physical violence or something.

>>31172092
i've been asking for it and it's been sorely needed for months now. slower threads with specific topics feels incredibly refreshing.

>>31175842
Too much wishful thinking.
Don't expect too much of this

>>31175842
>Now the mods are waiting to see how the situation turns out
what situation?

>>31176040
>what situation

>>31167699
I don't know what /qa/ is but I already regret typing those two letters in my address bar.

>>31175260
I don't think you can argue that having one thread with 5000 posts a minute, every one talking about something different, is more condusive to good discussion than smaller, slower ones. It's the entire argument behind moving vtubers out of /jp/, that they make the board too fast to be usable, they they discourage long-form topics and make shitposts the only posts.
Now I don't know anything about these Hololive people or whether they're capable of reasonable discussion, I just know that leaving them in an environment that prohibits it is not going to foster it.

>>31176138
>started as a feedback board
>then certain cancerous users turned it into their secret clubhouse because it's not on the board list
>then it just degenerated into /b/'s retarded cousin

>>31176111
A lot of those are Touhou threads. But you raise a good point.
All these vtuber shitposts are going to mix with touhou shitposts and im@s shitposts and leave us with, what, a board filled entirely with shitposts? That seems like the option no one is discussing, that Hololive and Touhou learn to coexist and together drive the other topics off the board. Then shitposters will flock back to /jp/ - wch2hlofk and it'll be just like the good old days!

>>31175981
You should use the feedback form for board suggestion if you haven't already.
https://4chan.org/feedback
I'm sure a ton of people have so far but more never hurts.

>>31177063
Done my part. But who even checks those? It's probably just the same mods who get it or someone who is so well acquainted with the mods that they just laugh about it. Hiromoot won't do jack shit.

>>31167112
>It's a whole shift in the userbase and purpose of the board.
This is yet another way of saying demographics is destiny.

>>31177369
Perhaps yeah. It was still implied in the modpost that a board might be in the works now. Just have to be patient I guess. I don't think they're purposefully spiteful, just out of touch.

>>31171536
Rhythm games used to be on /vg/ but died because that board was too fast

Now the one here is dying again for the exact same reason

>>31169890
ALTERNATIVE is still alive?

>>31177521
I genuinely don't like Hololive threads. All I see from visiting them are people who refuse to stay in reddit, facebook, discord, twitter, and even twitch chat. It's the anime equivalent of the election tourists and will only make the board worse. They might also subsequently leak into the other slower comfier boards. God I hope there will never be a Hololive vrpg.

>>31177664
The issue with those threads is the fact that they're the equivalent of the average chat, so nobody tries to put any effort into what they say because by the time they hit submit, 20 more posts have already been made. Dedicating a board to them might be exactly what they need to finally slow the fuck down since they won't be trying to have 50 conversations at the same time.

>>31176172
Considering the kind of content I actually don't think the smaller threads do nessecarily produce better discussion. So far it's mostly just been creating individual threads for the hololive streamers. But they only stream a couple of hours a day 3-4 times a week. Then outside that there's nothing going on to discuss so most of them are just kept alive with nothing posts. It's not some deep topic with lots of lore to discuss or whatever, it's just people watching people play video games and using an anonymous imageboard as their chatroom for the most part.

>>31169890
all fucking janners must fucking hang

>>31168986
Most reasonable reply in the thread

>>31177664
I'm looking through them now and the worst seems to be the Amatsuka Uto thread. Apparently she isn't even a Hololive.

>>31180790
>actually take a look at that thread
And here I thought I'd never find something more pathetic that the people (if such a term can truly be applied to their wretched kind) who throw money at 3D twitch thots.

>>31180790
That's from the global thread, which are the ones constantly trying to break containment with their shark girl(and previously the bunny girl), I don't know WHY western e-whores were even allowed on /jp/ of all places. the JP version is sort of passable(reasonably) because they used to be part of NND circles.

>>31181069
wtf happened in September in the vt*ber world?

>>31181286
HoloEN debut

>>31181286
Hololive debuted their english speaking vtubers. So instead of spending hours watching people speaking a language they don't understand they could then actually know what's they're saying.

>>31168986
>Touhou threads are honestly some of the least worrying things about this, it's that legitimate generals for idol groups, seiyuu, game series, rhythm games, etc. are all too slow for the current state of /jp/
/jp/ always hated 3DPD pigs. The problem is that the vtumorfags are 90% crossies

>>31181394
>>31181458
what the hell? I'd swear the cancer shark and cancer octopus were way older than September 2020.

Nothing worth getting upset about, they'll be another faded memory like Kancolle soon enough, real human beings cannot hide behind masks forever.

>>31181535
Everyone already knows what they look like. Most of them are people that used to be semi well know niconico streamers or utaite that got recruited. So if they didn't drop hints themselves people normally work out who they are by their voices.

>>31166941
>yall
Yeah, it's really over.

>>31181286
The girl who got doxxed and quit one week after starting, I think. Or the english expansion.

>>31181643
What about the one who set her room on fire and then did AV?
Does she have one?

>>31181535
95 of Holo is doxxed. The dog, the leading jp holo, has so much shit on her that NND always calls her by her IRL name in their vendetta against her.
And it did nothing to stop her.
Even if Holo fails eventually, new vtubers will show up and take the spot. It just isn't going away.

>>31181754
I find it funny whenever people bring out the potential doxx argument as if most of them weren't already doxxed by people far more vicious than anyone on this site who actually live in the same country as them and not across the sea like nearly every anon.

>>31167937
Yes. And learn to finish your sentences, you overly timid dumbshit.

>>31176369
We will never accept e-celeb cancer, /v/edditor.

Stop being this much of a whiny cuck, holy shit. Literally nothing changed in the catalog you fucking faggots.

>>31182007
Back to your holoshit threads

>>31182052
This is my board now loser. Kneel before me and suck my cock because no one cares about your pathetic crying.

>>31182007
We speak Japanese and English on this board.

>>31182079
Nice /v/ermin speak. E-shits will always be bullied here and there's nothing you can change.

>>31182150
>t. barely can read kana

>>31182079
The e-thot hiding behind a cartoon isn't going to be your friend just because you simp for her either.

you can just tell they're from /v/ when they yell cuck and say shit like kneel

>>31182182
who are you quoting?

>>31182182
Who are you quoting?

>>31182217
This is why holoshitters are the worst posters on 4chan. So many other boards hate them too.

>>31182079
suck on this *unzips dick*

>>31182218
>>31182227
>(You)
Pathetic.
Your decades old game perfectly fine in 1 general. It doesn't even deserve more. You should be glad that we allow you here, because your place should be on /v/ anyway.

>>31182284
Cry harder /v/ermin.

>>31182079
lmao

I don't see your problem. Are you poor and jealous?

The migration ships are not coming back you people are stuck on here i however will escape to one place where faggotry hasnt reached.

>>31182408
look at this lol

>>31182512
Wherever you go, I will find you, I will follow you, and I will post a Hololive thread there.

>>31182537
what

>>31164913
>It's been a good 12 years
/jp/ the last two years

>>31182576
You can literally hear Mori Calliope's poo splat in the porcelain idol. Gross!!!

>>31182408
>>31182537
Humanity really needs a good culling.

>>31182714
>/jp/ the last ten years
ftfy

>>31167346
Unfortunately for them Hololive isn't all there is when it comes to vtubing. The hobby is growing extremely quickly, to the point that it's the most popular topic on several boards now, and having a board that allows discussion of it in its entirety only makes sense (whether that means a separate board or just allowing discussion of the western side of the scene on /jp/).

At least Touhou can be wherever, but the smaller generals? I'm not so sure, some simply can't survive the traffic on their "boards" and need /jp/ to exist. Either the mods actually stop with this dumb experiment or you'll have to wait a year for the cancerous streamer culture to die down on this site.

>>31167265
Do you? Do you realize the average daily post count has increased by 500% this year?

>>31182007
Why do you keep trying so hard if anyone who has any experience with the board knows you're wrong? And then when you get called out, you fall back to underage buzzwords, which only makes your case much worse. Are you really this stupid?

Prophetic

/v/ having a civil on topic discussion of touhou mainline and fan games while looking down on /jp/ for being vtuber central, the world has gone crazy.

>>31183481
The catalog is exactly the same as it was, except instead of worthless touhou shitpost it's worthless hololive shitpost now. Stop covering yourself with the smaller communities' generals, you've never been in those threads and you couldn't care less about them you fucking liar.

>>31183675
I literally don't need to say anything else. Why do you keep trying so hard if anyone who has any experience with the board knows you're wrong?

>>31166684
Two /jp/s?

>>31183732
>I literally don't need to say anything else.
I agree, don't embarrass yourself anymore. Your crying is pathetic. Just accept your fate. This is karma and touhoushitters deserved it.

>>31183745
No. What we need is /vt/: Video Games - Touhou Project.

>>31183781
Try harder /v/ermin. Touhou is not the only thing you holoshitters kill.

>>31183830
As if you would care about them. Disgusting.

>>31183791
But what about other /jp/ cultures that are under opression from the holomenace?

>>31183851
It's amazing how you don't notice how retarded you sound with this "but nobody REALLY cares even though you say I do, trust me I know better than you" bullshit.

>>31183851
Yes we do how fucking new are you?

>>31183952
Because you clearly never browsed those threads, you're just trying to cover yourself with them and it's disgusting. Unlike you, I'm frequent in a few of those, especially in the japanese movie thread and I'm not happy about what's happening either. But seeing the swarm of the pathetic whiny bitch threads like this and the brainlet retards like you, my opinion changed and I honestly hope that all of you retards get fucked and all of your threads get spammed to the death forever.

>>31183851
Your argument is really weak. So what if that specific guy you're talking to doesn't care, or hell what if none of the 2hu posters care? The people who use that niche general still care and it's still impacting them negatively, nobody has to hide behind anything.

>>31184090
And there you go again, "no I REALLY know much better than you guys, see I used to browse one of those threads and I don't like it but seeing you mad makes me glad this is happening".
Not only do you keep exposing yourself (and changing IPs like a madman for some reason), but you're also going against /jp/'s ideals and you can't even realize how stupid you look because you're one of those retards who loves "arguing" on the internet. Holy shit, you're really pathetic.

OOOOOO AAAA AAAAA AAAAAAA AAAA
Monkey board time.

>>31184125
It will completely stop in a few days. The new thread spam practically already stopped.

>>31184244
I can only hope that will be the case.

>>31184090
>Because you clearly never browsed those threads
Vocaloid, Yume Nikki, Gikopoi, Elona, VNs, etc..
These are all things that we enjoy too. Lurk more /v/ermin.

>>31170339
4chan just needs a board for that, like I don't know, /vtb/ ?

Like >>31166941 said, you're all a bunch of overreacting idiots.

>>31184411
And those threads are happily staying in the catalog now, the Vocaloid thread has almost 250 posts. You should lurk more too and maybe you would know what you're talking about. It was literally just a handful of retards in the first place, and most of them are already bored. The biggest issue is that one of them is a wojackposter mod but this doesn't mean anything either, because most character specific threads would have less traction than the Elona general and people won't bother making them because 80% of the hololive posters don't even look at /jp/ except the generals. Just stop overreacting this hard, your precious touhou armpit threads will be the same place after a week at most.

>>31184656
>You should lurk more too
stopped reading there

I'm sorry, bros. I should have started participating in the vtuber discussion early on because either I would have killed the meme or the mods would have banned it outright immediately. I have the ability to kill memes simply by posting and I should have nipped this shit in the bud.

>>31184839
So this is the average touhou poster.

>>31184915
touhou, like yotsuba or rozen maiden, is part of 4ch culture, if you have a problem with that go on reddit.

>>31184975
Touhou is fine, touhou posters are the problem.

>>31184915
Go on holofag. Why should I take newfags serious when they tell me to lurk more?

>>31184656
And yet, with that mod letting those people know that they're welcome to spam as much as they want since he's a genuine shitposter, this kind of shit will keep happening in the future. The problem won't solve itself, it will only keep getting worse with time as long as you don't take either of the logical actions - which are either making a new board for those people, or moderating the board the same way it used to be. How fucking blind can you be?

>>31185018
Because you need to lurk more.
>>31185021
This is some kind of experiment for their parts, something will happen sooner or later. We'll either get a new board or be forced back to our generals, honestly, either way is fine. And the shitposters already getting bored, while the moderation becoming stricter. At the first day the mods allowed a dox and a paywalled content sharing thread, now those are getting deleted. Probably they're testing what should be allowed on a vtuber board and such. Again, stop overreacting. I'm almost sure that nothing really will change in the long term, it's just a temporary asylum.

>>31164913

we have a new home

The funny thing about /jp/ is that if a type of content can get moderation approval and exist long enough it becomes part of "board culture"

I remember the same kind of violent rejection against idol threads when they first got moved to /jp/, and now 10 years later people are including them as part of the "good threads being destroyed by evil hololive spammers". The only difference this time is that it seems the outsiders outnumber the natives

It'll be interesting to look back at this moment in another 5 years

>>31167304
No, at this point it's newfags, insufferables and underageb4 perpetuating the shift. Mods (handle '@uwu' and '@yournamehere' approve, If you want to raise your complaints, go to them. I'm terribly sorry for your loss. This isn't just a sad day for the other generals, but also for many /hlg/ and /hlgg/ regulars.

>>31182079
You fucker wouldn't know how to lay a women even if she threw itself at you.
Stop typing like a nigger and work on your personality. Alternatively, go to boards that actually care about your schizo ramblings.

>>31185248
Well, then I hope that's really the case and they don't just go "hurrdurr it's been a month and everything is fine despite the fact that your board is on fire and threads are still expiring in 2 hours, fuck you we aren't doing shit deal with it" as I'm completely expecting they might do.

>>31185305
no thanks

worst christmas ever

>>31167847
The free market is such a beautiful thing. Imagine living in a world where this isn't possible.

>>31168986
/jp/ has been a great catchall for different niche, vaguely related interests. Even as many people used it as /c/-lite, it was slow enough that everyone could get along. But the vtuber wave is just too big. And more importantly, the community that likes vtubers and the rest of /jp/ is incompatible. I saw some people that had the argument that vtubers are otaku culture. And while I think the argument holds some water, cosplay is much more otaku culture than vtubers, and yet cosplay has its own board separate from /jp/. Whatever the actual reason may be, it's for the best, because the cosplay community and the communities that make up /jp/ are not compatible. I think the same principle applies here. But like you said, nothing is going to change. The mods here don't care at all. We've seen proof of that in this very thread. It's sad, and maybe things will settle out on there own in the future, but they probably won't.

>>31186054
I wouldn't mind living in a USSR styled economy.

>>31167847
Meanwhile you touhou nigs have been leeching of the japanese touhou fanbase for years, with only a minority paying even for half the doujinworks you consume. Meanwhile most of the people posting in hololive threads actually support the entertainment they produce unlike you faggots. /jp/ objectively got better.

>>31186630
Good. Keep donating to your e-whores.

>>31186630
What a retarded argument.
>we pay for the free content we consume so we have the right to do this
What a fucking retarded argument.

>>31186717
Nah, i wasn't making the argument, i was just calling you out for leeching off Japanese payers and you feeling somehow proud about it lmao.

>>31186717
So are you saying that supporting your hobby is bad? Are you some poor third worlder?

>>31164913
>the loss of /jp/
It's still here. And you can still post your Touhous.
WTF are you bitching about?

>>31186755
> i was just calling you out for leeching off Japanese payers
I support my favorite artists
>>31186791
Supporting e-whores is always a bad thing

>>31186791
No, I'm saying that acting proud and thinking that you have the right to spam because you donate money for content that's mostly free is a retarded move. Not to mention, have you ever been to a Comiket thread? Of course you haven't since there was no Comiket this year.

>>31186794
There was point in time when r9k was a normal general board with a diverse range of topics then this happened:

>10% of the board are relationshit threads
"they are not bothering anyone"
>50% of the board are relationshit threads
"just ignore threads you dont like"
>90% of the board are relationshit threads
"you can still make threads about things you want to talk about in your little enclaves"
>99% of the board are relationshit threads with little to no chance of any topic outside of that receiving more than a handful of replies before being bumped off the board
"this is our board go somewhere else if you want to discuss x or y topic"

People on /jp/ are just seeing the writting on the wall.

>>31186864
It's good entertainment. I ain't gonna explain shit
>>31187024
It's still a minority that actually pays and uploads. And no, the last comiket thread I followed was C90

>>31187076
And it's still a minority that pays for superchat and memberships too, because everything other than a few select streams are free. What kind of retarded point were you trying to make there?

>>31186630
You're comparing the fan doujin culture to donating to a company, do you realize the stupidity there?

>>31186791
I'm a third worlder and a bunch of my otaku friends have donated to vtubers.
Why donate to some 1st world woman playing videogames with face rig? She has infinitely more money than your brown ass will ever see and your donation is a drop of water into an ocean. She will never notice us. It's the most retarded thing you could ever donate to in our situation yet they empty their pockets for them with a smile on their face.

Parasocial relationships, not even once.

>>31186791
there something unsettling that a woman being paid for just existing is treated the same as an artist working hard perfecting her craft and actually delivering something tangible.

>>31187177
>>31187143
thats why I've seen this whole hololive thing as something out of a cyberpunk story.

>>31187143
The stupidity is on you, you have pride in being fan of a doujin subculture yet support it less than the fans of an idol company do. It's your argument that's embarrassing and falls flat.

>>31167847
so is other vtuber stuff just as bad?
or is this a case where hololive is the thomas kinkade of vtubers?

>>31187032
The average person can't see themselves being a harmful element to a community. They rationalize and are inexperienced.
They only see what they want to see. Some wisen up later in their lives, most don't. The cycle of community destruction perpetuates itself and it's always the same archetypes, with different names attached to them.

>>31187177
I guess payong for concerts or giving money to street performers are also unsettling things for you.

>>31187177
Literally all of them dance and sing, practice songs for karaoke, release covers, make their own thumbnails, plan their own content like collavs etc. It's not literally nothing

>>31186185
Vtubers enfold so many aspects of otaku culture into themselves, whilst also commenting on otaku culture and interacting directly with it and the people involved in creating it, it's almost like some kind of "meta"-otaku culture or something.

You get things like one of them doing a 3D stream with a pripara transformation homage while a director of CG from the show is watching and tweeting about it. im@s getting popular vtubers who are known for liking the franchise for special promotional streams where they appear alongside seiyuu. Mangaka drawing themselves an avatar and then starting up doing drawing streams. Utaite probably seeing it as a way to remain relevant and taking up an avatar. ZUN showing up in the stream of some of the popular ones who like touhou. Covers of vocaloid songs being commonplace, and getting original songs made by vocaloid producers, or people involved in touhou doujin music. The characters from the streams showing up in their own anime shows/manga or being referenced in others anime and manga. A good proportion of the Japanese streamers being into otaku culture to some extent and doing/talking about related things.

>>31187304
Most of us in the Hololive community aren't happy about this, either. It's just gotten so explosively popular that we can't teach all of the newcomers proper etiquette, and so some of them don't understand the rules and culture. I feel really bad for you bros who want to use //jp/ for topics other than Hololive and vtubers. I promise you, it's not all of us. Just a few bad eggs.

>>31187423
Exactly this, however this doesn't apply to Hololive EN. Western vtubers shouldn't be allowed here.

>>31187428
Maybe mods can enforce a ten thread limit on hololive threads at least. Pekomiko, global, ホロライブ、ホロスターズ、the two disliked ENs, maybe one for gen5...

>>31187558
One for 4th gen would take care of 70% of the shitposting

>>31187523
It does. It absolutely does. They got LN sponsored streams and even touhou-related sponsored streams. They will get songs by those artists as well. Irs other western vtubers that don't belong because it's then who will never get stuff like that.

https://youtu.be/w7mWxmrTgnU

>>31187558
>>31187630
We don't need more than /hlg/ and /hlgg/, except maybe one holostar thread just to prevent the constant baiting and infighting.

I saw some random twitch streamers play japanese games too. Peak otaku culture right there.

Mods are just playing a simple game.
People were constantly bitching about the threads, calling the mods names and what not.
So they have allowed the situation to deteriorate.
Soon enough they will contain Vtubers in their generals again, and be praised for bringing back the status quo from before.
Its a smart plan, even if a bit harsh. Hopefully it also brings about the day of touhou extermination when they are forced to stop having so many threads over nothing.

>>31187558
I'm afraid the mods have decided that they're fine with the entire situation, which is why it's currently like it is. Ironically the only one that seems to be against this is the sharkfag mod that hangs out in the hololive global threads

>>31187269
You're still comparing fan doujin to a company, retard. Why did you not even mention the official content in the first place and brought up fanworks instead?
Did you financially support the talented guy who drew that porn of Gura you jacked off to earlier?

>>>/qa/

What did the mods of /qa/ mean by this?

>>31187391
Anon I have heard them sing, I am not left with the impression that they practiced very hard.

>>31187523
May as well have them too, at least their fans aren't toxic.

>>31187781
The other mods are literally making fun of the /jp/ mod right now. It's possible that this whole thing is just an elaborate bait against him.

>>31187829
They are just wannabe idols.

>>31177981
The hololive generals shouldn't be confused with a modern chatroom. How do you think a chatroom with 300+ ACTIVE IPs would play out?
The captcha and post limit create an entirely different experience. Many other factors like the reply system play into it, too.

>>31187844
Are you sure about that?

>>31187523
>>31187844
I"m assuming Hololive EN is Hololive with American actors ,correct?
If that is the case I find it inevitable that it would just become a vehicle to let America politics seep in.

>>31187032
I dunno, I feel like spinning out other boards from /r9k/ was part of what let all the crazies in since it gave them space to breathe.

>>31187970
what boards were spinned from r9k?

>>31181066
they're even more pathetic in the sense that they delude themselves into thinking its not the same as eceleb worshiping since they have an anime model
it's disgusting

>>31170907
we've been fucked pretty hard by this

>there is so much politics, we need a politics board!
>There is so much virgin posting, we need a board for them!
There were all terrible things. Just limit the threads or increase the page size for /jp/ to 15 pages.

>>31181066
>>31188115
Literal incels, eww

>>31187963
I doubt it, hololive got fucked pretty hard by politics already. Hopefully they'll do everything they can to avoid that situation again

>>31170907
No one reads visual novels in 2020 anyway.

>>31188166
Upvoted. Well done my fellow /v/edditor.

>>31188196
>>31188196
>I doubt it, hololive got fucked pretty hard by politics already
what happened?

>>31188242
Taiwan

>>31188213
So this is how holofags really think

>>31186864
>e-whores
I still don't get this. They're not whoring themselves, they're just youtubers with an avatar, so they can't even cash on their "body".

>>31188242
There was a thing where one of the girls read her Youtube analytics, which included Taiwan as a sovereign country from China. Chinese bugmen didn't like this, and started a crusade to get her to graduate. Hololive retaliated by dissolving their Chinese branch, but CCP schizos are still trying to get back at them.

>>31188314
You mean they don't sell oppai mousepads and scantily clad dakis?

>>31188258
Hmm would it problem for them if hypothetically someone were to buy the superchat shit and then spam their channel with pro taiwan messages...in chinese?

>>31188314
>they're just youtubers with an avatar
Now you know why we hate them

>>31188373
No, they support Taiwan. It's CCP rice niggers who are trying to bring them down.

>>31167823
/r9k/ does not have a topic anyway and I highly doubt that ever happened since that place is a shithole (who would go there for relationship advice?).
People discussing Otaku Culture in the Otaku Culture board where more than half of the board is just threads where nothing is discussed is more than evidence that there's space for discussion of other topics within Otaku Culture as long as posters are willing to discuss them.

>>31167927
>Why can't you see that I want the best for Hololive fans as well?
Clearly you don't since you're arguing that a subsect of the board needs special treatment beyond the rules. If you've been paying attention to 4stats you must have also noticed that new threads have significantly slowed down compared to the 22nd, from 20/h down to 5/h currently (2/h is the usual).
>Or are you so petty that you can't stand people who like things you don't?
This but for you. I have plenty of /jp/ interests besides Hololive. There's room for discussion, you're not entitled to thread space, Vtubers are Otaku Culture for the time being and they should be allowed to be discussed on the board freely if the users so choose to.

>>31168081
>but it is inimical to serious discussion.
Clearly not since thread creation speed does not hinder people from posting within threads; of course if they expect to post every other 6 hours and sage their replies maybe they don't have anything worthwhile to discuss to begin with.
>increased its thread limit
Sure, why not, I just don't see why the thread limit needs to be increased over a temporary increase in thread creation that isn't even happening anymore.

>>31168611
Maybe you should read things before invoking them.

>>31170282
>I'll list every general on the board and say they're struggling (source: my retsu)
Onaholes aren't, 07th Expansion aren't, Sakamichi isn't.
>need to be fucking put down like the dogs they are
Take it easy.
Maybe they shouldn't make threads as often if they're going to not get replies for hours because they're stale topics that have no discussion surrounding them. Generals are an entitlement, not a right: These posters can and will continue to make threads if these topics have other people that want to discuss them.

>>31176138
/qa/ is the board mods use when they want to move meta threads. It's also where basedjak and schizo posting are most prominent.

>>31188320
You missed out the part where they apologised for hurting the Chinese peoples feelings and suspended people for weeks until it became clear that wouldn't work.

>>31188429
It was a meaningless corporate apology. That was when they still thought everything could just blow over if they laid low for a few weeks. Once it became clear that bugmen would never be satisfied, they just pulled out of China instead.

>>31188410
>It's CCP rice niggers who are trying to bring them down.
Well I'm torn Enemy of my Enemy is a friend...but it's the freaking ccp, I'll sleep on it.

>>31188410
Maybe we should get the China bros in here

>>31188373
No, they've completely pulled out of china and they're persona-non-grata among the chinese to the point where other vtuber agencies had to put out special "we will not associate with hololive on chinese platforms" announcements. Any autism you could think of it is already being done against them because of how angry the chinese are. They've been running spambots on the girl who did for going on three months now

>>31188515
Don't think too hard. CCP rice niggers or cute anime idols who want nothing more than to entertain you? Seems pretty easy, to me.

>>31188429
Once they realized that it was just Chinese bots being unreasonable they cut ties with their Chinese branch and allowed those girls to keep their avatars for free.
Cover doesn't give a shit about China now.

>>31188418
>I highly doubt that ever happened since that place is a shithole (who would go there for relationship advice?).
It became a shithole because of people like you who insisted we just "ignore threads you dont like"

I'm sorry to see you like this, /jp/. I know what's it like to have a board die before your very eyes. I came here for holos and I wanted to live in harmony with the natives. I hope we can find ourselves a better solution that helps all of us. Most of us don't want this to happen. As always mods = fags
t. /tg/

>>31186630
>if you can't easily buy 2hu you can just pirate it
I'm quoting Zun.

>>31188607
>allowed those girls to keep their avatars for free

>>31188659
As opposed to shitting up on-topic threads? Yes, you should live and let live.

>>31188758
They pay for them up to a degree not to mention that the rights belong to Cover.

>>31188418
>who would go there for relationship advice?
anon, why do you suppose /adv/ was created?

>>31164913
is this board gettin deleted or what exaclty?

>>31188828
>Yes, you should live and let live.
And then let things degrade like what happened with r9k.

>>31188905
Power tripping tranny mods refusing to do their job, actively trying to burn it all down. Most Holofriends don't like this, either.

>>31188406
Yeah, but they're being treated like, dunno, literal whores by the haters. Besides Coco, most of them "try" to keep themselves separated from their IRL self (as per contract or whatever). Kinda like supporting an idol, with the difference that, them being avatars, will always be what they choose to present as.

>>31188265
cope harder moegefag, most of the big names have migrated over to sociageshit and real eroge already ended after musicus

>>31189046
I mean the whole point of streaming behind the mask of an anime avatar is to avoid the problems that can come from your real identity being public knowledge. The whole reason they do this is because they DON'T WANT THEIR IDENTITY TO BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. So it's pretty disrespectful and that's the reason doxxing is not really accepted in the vtuber community.

>>31188976
>Holofriends
Sorry but I'll never be friends with holofags

>>31188856
So people only went to /r9k/ of all places for advice? Pretty sure people went to other places as well.

>>31188926
It's a random board with an originality post filter. There's no more of a decay there than there is on /b/ in the capacity that it's not like it used to be but still serves its purpose.

>>31188418
>Clearly you don't since you're arguing that a subsect of the board needs special treatment beyond the rules. If you've been paying attention to 4stats you must have also noticed that new threads have significantly slowed down compared to the 22nd, from 20/h down to 5/h currently (2/h is the usual).
>This but for you. I have plenty of /jp/ interests besides Hololive. There's room for discussion, you're not entitled to thread space, Vtubers are Otaku Culture for the time being and they should be allowed to be discussed on the board freely if the users so choose to.
I literally explained why being let out of their containment generals hurts /jp/, but you instead ignored most of my post and nitpicked on a few points I made without realizing that I already addressed shit you said in that post, while posting an epic meme red text witch and quoting the entire thread. Please kill yourself.
Also, no, they don't need "special treatment", they need a separate space because despite being tangentially related to /jp/, their mindset is far too excluded from this board. It's either a new board, of sticking to their chaotic chatroom generals. They're far too numerous and too cancerous to be allowed otherwise, this recent happening is as good proof as any even though part of it was falseflaggers bandwagoning.

>>31189147
>DON'T WANT THEIR IDENTITY TO BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE
As I mentioned, it depends. I've seen that it was kinda like a tacit agreement to just not mention it in streams or the old generals when their info was known. But, as is the case with all hobbies, when normalfags invade like a cancer, you get retards shitting the place. Like that one sharkhater troll mod who outed himself in /qa/.

>>31189384
The vast majority of their identities are known. Hololive gets their idols from entertainers that are already established. But the wider community has mostly managed to keep it low key. But there will always be newfriends who don't know the rules, and schizos who just want to cause trouble.

>>31188418
>and I highly doubt that ever happened
It did happen anon, I know it is strange for people to imagine an /r9k/ that wasn't well /r9k/ that we know today but thats the truth I remember active literature threads, I remember threads about music and not just listen but like about making music, I remember a thread where we discussed how to build a functional society on an aircraft carrier. There was a lot of optimism at the time that /r9k/ was going to be a way to relive what people at the time saw as the glory days of /b/, it was going to be "the OC board".

and then the darkness came

>>31189275
>So people only went to /r9k/ of all places for advice?

>>31189312
They were mostly contained in their generals when it was just the JP (and ID) ones months ago. As always, bringing the west to a japanese hobby will cause an influx of retards, though I'm hopeful it'll stabilize as the collective newfag retards move on.

>>31189590
Didn't they turn off the actual r9k filter on /r9k/? Ruins the whole point.

>>31189814
they turned it off and back on again, don't know what the status is now.

>>31188418
>who would go there for relationship advice?
like has been said the /r9k/ then was not like the /r9k/ now. The cherry on top of this tragedy is those that want /jp/ to become the hololive board will see it morph into something else and possible worse eventually.

>>31189312
Because your point have no merit to them.
>A fanbase as large as Hololive's simply can't coexist with /jp/
Compared to the rest of /jp/ Touhou is an extremely large fanbase and used up over half of the board on threads exclusively dedicated to Touhou; perhaps Touhou is too big for /jp/ or is this argument only suitable when it's convenient for you?
>how fast they are
It doesn't matter how fast they are within the generals, in fact it doesn't have anything to do with individual speed as much that there being a lot more people that are into Hololive than other /jp/ topics (and that they actually have something to discuss since there's always new streams).
>how slow the rest of the board is in comparison
So? By allowing individuals threads the speed can be mitigated and serious discussion surrounding vtubers can be had on the board. If the rest of the board is "slow" maybe they should speed up or accept that they have nothing to discuss and don't need a general to exist all the time. (Not that this is even a permanent thing since the stats clearly state it's dying down already)
>some of the moderation kept them under reins
There's no rules that say that Hololive needs to be contained. Why should they get special treatment within the rules of the website?
>you get this spam of threads that's completely killing /jp/
«Frost on a summer day:
all I leave behind is water
that has washed my brush.

–Shutei»
PS: No it's not killing anything, they can just make new threads and the thread creation rate is slowing down.
>Splitting /jp/ would satisfy everyone
Why should there be an e-celeb board exclusively for Vtubers? This makes no sense. Vtubers are already only allowed on /jp/ in the context that they're related to Otaku Culture (hence westerners can't be posted here), a split would be unjustified seeing as the board has plenty of space for everyone.
>both you and the /jp/ regulars who just want to take it easy
It's completely irrelevant to me whether they're discussed here or on another board, even a random one. As long as they're Otaku Culture I'll continue to argue that everyone should be able to make threads on Vtubers as the rules do not discriminate against them.

Is this satisfactory to you?
>I already addressed shit you said in that post
No you haven't, all you've said is that you don't like something but offer no factual reason for why Mods should fix it based on the rules of the website.
>quoting the entire thread
So I can't reply to people that replied to me because that hurts your autism.
>their mindset is far too excluded from this board
Says the Mongolian who invaded China years ago who now complains that Japan is invading China.
>they don't need "special treatment"
You want to segregate them to 2 threads and strip them of their rights to make threads like everyone else for no good reason other than your autism regarding what is and isn't board culture. From a rules standpoint it does not make sense that Mods should be restricting discussion on Vtubers moreover when more than half of the board is low effort nth time posts about 2hus.

>>31189673
>>31189590
>>31190015
I stand corrected.

>>31188661
Thanks, you fa/tg/uys have always been good guys in my eyes

>>31182182
who are you quoting

>>31191168
A person who barely can read kana.

>>31190701
>You want to segregate them to 2 threads and strip them of their rights [...]

Fuck off, I want to be 'stripped of my rights'

I have no interest in discussing vtubers and especially hololive outside of the generals. Let alone a new board. High density + blue board => good content.

30+ threads dedicated to declaring your undying love for your oshi(favourite vtuber wit strong lean to waifuism, or e-thot as you people seem to classify them) and dumping images is pointless and constitutes extremely low quality in my book.

Allowing more than the generals is what brings vtuber-discussion closer to a hypothetical e-celeb board.

>>31190701
/jp/ was literally made to split the Touhou spam off /a/, as you should know. Doesn't it sound similar to the current situation? It's also funny how you say my points have no merit when not only do you do that amazing meme of breaking down posts into multiple lines since you can't address everything properly, but also you don't say shit that has any worth whatsoever ("hurr just make the board faster then"? Seriously?). It's funny how you keep mentioning "Otaku Culture" too as it really drives the point that you're a newfag.
>hence westerners can't be posted here
And then you make it clear that you don't even know anything at all about this entire subject. Could you please just leave and shut the fuck up while the people who genuinely care about the board are trying to discuss important things?

>>31185006
go on r/lgbt hololive enjoying internet point farming japanese language neglecting retard duck

>>31191494
This is a lot of anger in one post, anon.

>>31191270
>I have no interest in discussing vtubers and especially hololive outside of the generals
Then don't post there or make new threads.
>High density + blue board => good content.
Which isn't to say that good content on blue boards cannot be found is slower threads.
>constitutes extremely low quality in my book.
This is literally what 2hus have been doing for years, except that Hololive is popular so things don't get discussed for several months.
>Allowing more than the generals is what brings vtuber-discussion closer to a hypothetical e-celeb board.
So years of campaigning for eceleb boards didn't work but some posters being upset on /jp/ will? Either way I don't particularly care. Vtubers are allowed because idols and seiyuus are allowed and they're ecelebs. You already have an eceleb board on 4chan and it's /jp/; and then again I don't see why you can't make eceleb threads on random boards, tards from /v/ probably just don't know they exist and/or insist that they must discuss them on /v/.

>>31191321
>/jp/ was literally made to split the Touhou spam off /a/, as you should know
Yet it's not just a Touhou board, it's almost like boards are not solely created just because there's spam; or rather, not since Moot left.
>Doesn't it sound similar to the current situation?
Not really, at least you could argue that Touhou by itself doesn't belong on /a/ as most of Touhou isn't in anime/manga format. Especially seeing as the distinction between /a/ and /jp/ was made also in regards to untranslated VNs vs translated. Arguing that Otaku Culture doesn't belong on the Otaku Culture board is a stretch especially since you and I both know that even if a board was made people would still be allowed to make Vtuber threads on /jp/.
>do that amazing meme of breaking down posts into multiple lines since you can't address everything properly
Quoting is a feature of the website. I'm not even greentexting so you're just complaining for the sake of it pretty much.
>"hurr just make the board faster then"? Seriously?
"Hurr they're too fast, slow thread die"
"Okay either discuss the thing or stop making threads when there's nothing to discuss"
""hurr just make the board faster then"? Seriously?"
Yes, if you can't go faster that just means there's nothing to discuss. Remind me, why should we give priority to threads where no discussion happens when the innerworking of imageboards prioritizes threads that have discussion happening in them?
>you keep mentioning "Otaku Culture"
>/jp/ - Otaku Culture
>1. All images and discussion should pertain to light and visual novels, figures and other otaku paraphernalia, Touhou Project, Vocaloid, doujin works and music, and diverse niche Japanese interests (kigurumi, idols, mahjong, tea).
>2. This is the appropriate board for the discussion of Japanese visual novels and light novels. Western visual novels should be posted to /vg/, and translated visual novels are fine on either board.
Whether you like it or not this is the Otaku Culture board, have you read the rules? Where does it say that Hololive can't be posted on /jp/?
>And then you make it clear that you don't even know anything at all about this entire subject
Clearly you don't. Many European and American Vtubers (both indie and incorporated alike) are not allowed to be discussed on /jp/ because they're not considered Otaku Culture. Hololive branches outside of Japan are affiliated with a Japanese company and maintain an emphasis on Japanese Culture across their streams.
>Could you please just leave and shut the fuck up while the people who genuinely care about the board are trying to discuss important things?
No, I like Otaku Culture too and even if I didn't I'm entitled to post here. What you care about is having 70 2hu threads on the board and having generals be up when no discussion is happening. This isn't /v/, if a topic is minimally worth discussing people will reply to the thread.
Perhaps if you remove the dildo you've had up your ass for several years and accept that other people are allowed to make on-topic threads you'll be able to take it easy.

For the mod who's responsible for this mess, at this time of the year: I really hope karma bites you in the ass. Merry Fucking Christmas.
I'm also wishing something similar to all the shitposters who got on the bandwagon.

Vtubers suck and their posters suck too, shindekudasai

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