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>>33606368
Which one ? I've played most of the games and just recently finished WaHH but nothing was stated about how humanity survived before the modern era/Gensokyo.

>>33605982
youkai only exist because of humanity's fear for them. if the youkai collectively all got together and killed off humanity they'd only kill themselves

if i recall correctly this is explained better in forbidden scrollery

>>33605982
Same reason humanity doesn't wipe out all cows, you don't genocide your livestock. It's even worse for oyukai as they have no other alternative food sources, relying on fear and the occasional flesh/blood.

>>33607749
>>33607600
Yeah but aren't Youkais like Yukari capable of warping reality, can't she simply change that aspect of thier nature to save her race instead of creating a natur reserve . Also I don't think most normal Youkai before the creation of Gensokyo and the rise of the modern era would know/care that they need humans to survive and would simply follow their nature.

Why does Reimu kill the guy who became a youkai when he had no ill intentions at all? Keep in mind several other youkai she lets run around used to be humans like Alice

The only explanation I can think of is the fact that they had gods protection those who worship them. That or there were a lot of Heroes like Heracleas or Achilles aroud at that time since humanity believed they existed but these are only my speculations.

>>33607877
>Yeah but aren't Youkais like Yukari capable of warping reality
warping reality means jack fucking shit when zero humans exist to fear you. Yukari's existence is hinged on humans surviving and being afraid of her.

>>33605982
It's humans that wear the pants in this relationship, not youkai. Gensokyo is a tiny little island where youkai rule as an exception, everywhere else it's all humanity all the time.

Youkai are the waste byproduct of human thoughts, they can't affect human society on a grand scale because their actions are decided by society to begin with. If you're a night sparrow you blind people, if you're an uwan you make echoes, if you're a dorotabou you protect rice fields. That's not a choice or preference, that's literally all you are. If you lose that nature you straight up die, like with Kyouko and her "yamabiko are dying out because echoes are no longer considered strange" problem.

Humans are no match for youkai physically, but youkai are weak to spiritual and symbolic things. Those likely just used to be more commonly known/distributed.

For example, oni are some of the strongest youkai out there, but toss some beans at them and they’ll turn tail and run.

>>33607877
Yukari’s powers are pretty damn strong, but even she probably cant permanently change the borders of things on THAT large of a scale.

>>33605982
READ
ZOUNOSE

>>33607877
Yukari is a very weird youkai, even among youkai, and she can only alter boundaries - she can't change reality by herself. Even making Gensokyo took a lot of effort and cooperation

>>33607888
It's the rules, the pre-existing youkai would be in a lot of trouble if the humans in the village could become non-human without consequence, or worse, tear themselves apart from infighting of whether they should abandon humanity or not - Youkai need to be feared by humans.

Him not having ill intentions means nothing, his existence would lead others to come to the same idea and the food source would be threatened and the youkai could get desperate and break the rules if they thought their food was in danger, Yukari couldn't feasibly gap an entire population.
Reimu likely recognised that and figured one villager was worth a lot less than the entire village being fought over.

Gensoyko is a paradise for Youkai, not humans.

>>33605982
>For us, humans are just targets for attacking, you know?
Aya Shameimaru, BAiJR, Page 55

>>33605982
Youkai need humans to survive, humans don't but the youkai transformed the relationship between them so they both need each other. Don't remember what youkai do for humans though, completely forgot

>>33605982
>Even the whole "Youkai need human believe to survive" thing could be changed, if Youkai like Yukari are as powerful as they are stated to be.
Yukari's ability to manipulate boundaries is very powerful and versatile, but she cannot rewrite the rules of the setting just like that.

Kogasa's situation is probably the closest it gets to perfection for a Youkai, since she can live peacefully among humans while still being true to her Youkai nature and remain friends with other supernatural beings. Of course, the fact that she just isn't very good at surprising people works great towards keeping her alive even if she is constantly annoyed by what she sees as failure.

>>33616044
Can't or won't?

>>33617714
Probably can't. She has been shown to have her limits and the whole walking of her being omnipotent and unbeatable has been proven false again and again.

I wonder when the people of Japan stopped believing in the supernatural in general. I would say it started with the contract with the Europeans and the philosophy/scientific explanation they got throw the trade with them. Rationalism was a big thing at the time in Europe

>>33619959
Yuros destroing everything, like always.

>>33620037
Destroying shit and going again natur seems to be our thing. Though I would say the really beginning of end for the supernatural in Japan should be after the US forced open the country and the Japs started copying the western powers. The barrier was created just a few years before the beginning of 20th century after all. But I still can't understand how they stopped believing in Youkai/Gods if those fuckers ware right in in Front of them.

>>33607888
A fair number of once-humans have powerful alliances, like the girl with the punching cloud. That complicates things.

As for Alice, magicians in general seem to be the sole exception to the ‘humans mustnt become youkai’ rule. If fortune teller had taken the normal path he might’ve been okay, but turning himself into a ghoul sealed his fate.

Far as I know nearly nothing about magicians in touhou’s setting has ever been explained, so I dont know why they’re some sort of exception. The complete lack of info on magicians is low key one of the biggest mysteries in the series, but only for the audience. Everyone in-universe seems to know what the deal with magicians is, or just not care.

>>33617714
She couldnt even handle Jo’on and Shion on her own.

She’s one of the most powerful characters in the series, but she’s not omnipotent.

>>33620470
>‘humans mustnt become youkai’ rule
it's "humans from the Human Village musn't become youkai" actually.

The whole humans are forbidden to turn Youkai makes sense. In Gensokyo they are the "livestock" it makes sense not to make sure they won't lose them (for all their arrogance and power, Gensokyo is pretty much all they have, it's quit hilarious in a way). I wonder if its possible for a Youkai to turn Human and if that's forbidden too or if its allow since more humans = more chance to continue to exist.

>>33620621
Have you ever read "The Little Mermaid"? The original fairy tale, not the disney movie. I imagine a youkai wanting to turn human would probably have a similar fate.

>>33621108
No I haven't.
What happens ? Is it similar to most original folktales, where she dies or suffers in someway?

>>33621331
In the fairy tale mermaids live for 300 years and when they die they die, while humans live normal human lives but get to join God in heaven when they day. The mermaid falls in love with the prince after anonymously rescuing him, and gets legs, after constant sacrifice and suffering (and if she can get the prince to fall in love with her she'll become a true human with a soul). She meets the prince, and while he's kind to her, he thinks his previous anonymous savior was a different woman, so he marries her. The mermaid continues to suffer but now emotionally on top of physically, but if given the chance to murder the prince and return to being a mermaid if she kills him in his sleep. However, she's unable to do this, and flings herself into the ocean. There, she finds that instead of perishing forever, she's lifted up into the air. For her pure desires and morality she's become an air spirit, who devotes their time to doing good deeds and after a few hundred years can ascend to heaven if she proves virtuous.

I imagine any youkai wanting to become youkai (with pure intentions) are destined for tragedy since that's how those fables go. A youkai with wicked intentions would never want to become human.

>>33608195
I've read some of his doujins. Can't say I'm a big fan of him.

While I like dark themes here and there, his work comes off as if he's just rubbing the whole Youkai eat Humans in your face.

>>33622864
It's a shame his stuff has a ton of that, since I think his lighter themed stuff is pretty good

>>33620621
>In Gensokyo they are the "livestock"
it's more than livestock.
IIRC, humans that become youkai are something different than just a regular youkai born from concept(fear).

>>33608159
>oni are some of the strongest youkai out there, but toss some beans at them and they’ll turn tail and run.

Wasn't that just a psychological thing ? Suika seemed fine with playing the oni dispite knowing that they would throw beans at her.

>>33620526
Wasnt fortune teller from some school outside the village?

>>33605982

>>33628428
Is this a Doujin or an Official Work ?

>>33628358
The most the chapters tells us is this as far as I can tell, seems to me like he did live in the village.
I read the "kicked out" as him getting kicked out of the master diviner's school or whatever.

>>33628877
Doujin.

>>33629501
Why does Marisa speak like a redneck?

>>33629558
Clarste. I really wish someone else who redo all the print works, but only JP translator I know isn't interested.

>>33629558
English speakers can't cope with the concept of accents.

>>33629558
I'm pretty sure they ware trying to mimic/translate an accent or a way of speaking.

>>33629580
I don't want to make promises I won't be able to come through on, but maybe one day when I'm finished with SSiB.

>>33629558
Why redneck? Most accents of American English swap -ing for -in' at least some of the time. I do agree that it's a bit grating to have Marisa be doing it at every single opportunity, though.

>>33605982
>if Youkai like Yukari are as powerful as they are stated to be
Yukari still needs humans in order to live, though?

>>33635120
If she's as strong as her fans make her out to be, she should be able to change that.

>>33628228
she enjoys it

>>33608195
>read edgelord with a vore fetish
nah

>>33620262
You underestimate how easy it is to hide something thats right in front of people.
Talking about IRL here.

>>33628228
Remilia was burned by beans just from some tangential association with oni, so it's probably not psychological. Although, youkai take huge psychological damage too.

>>33620262
>>33619959
It's not lack of belief, but lack of fear that's the major problem.

>>33640098
Eating someone =/= vore. What Zounose is doing is in fact completly opposite to vore, youkai don't swallow humans whole nor take sexual pleasure from it. They just eat. Where are thos 'vore fetish' accusations coming from? I mean, does eating animal meat makes you a zoophile with vore fetish? Think before you post!

Also, who are you quoting?

>>33640381
Zounose is still shit and shoehorns it into everything to the point of it being a clear obsession if not a fetish
also his artstyle sucks

>>33640381
>does eating animal meat makes you a zoophile with vore fetish?
How does that analogy work? That person isn't writing doujins about people eating animal meat.

>>33640544
Zounose make doujins about youkai eating people meat.
If you can't make the connection from this, please go sign up for disabilities checks.

>>33640715
No, you don't understand, how is eating meat analogous to writing doujins about it?

>>33640727
The anology is for "Eating someone =/= vore."
Anon...

>>33640755
Eating someone =/= vore, but vore = eating someone.
I'm sure you can find plenty of vore fetish material where the voring party doesn't take sexual pleasure from it.

>>33640789
>vore = eating someone.
vore is swallowing someone, not eating them.
>The fantasy usually involves the victim being swallowed whole, though occasionally the victims are chewed up, and digestion may or may not be included.[1][3][4] Vore fantasies are separated from sexual cannibalism because the living victim is normally swallowed whole.

>>33640828
Whatever, but the point is that the people inside the doujin don't need to take sexual pleasure from eating people for it to be the authors fetish.

>>33640864
>people inside the doujin don't need to take sexual pleasure from eating people for it to be the authors fetish
That is correct. Which doesn't change the fact that what Zounose is doing is not vore.

>>33640715
This, also Zounose respects canon by making the people-eating monsters characters that actually are that like Rumia and Meiling. It's not like he makes doujins of giant Reimu eating everyone.

>>33629558
“I tell you hwat Reimu dang ole man that student be all standin out that whole dang ole class man got caught bout lacin magic man in his dang ole divining tech”

>>33607888
1. He broke the rules
2. Reimu is implied to have a pretty strained relationship with the Human Village in general, who tend to disrespect her in spite of her job and are generally rude to deal with.

>>33619959
That's Gods, and apparently even with how Ayytheistic modern Japan is, Amaterasu gets enough prayer juice to keep from getting herself dragged into Gensokyo.

>>33647520
>Meiling
Has there ever been an in-canon mention of her eating people? According to Akyuu she has friendly smallchat with the villagers from time to time. SDM is stated in Akyuu’s writings to only ever kill people who break and enter, and she says Meiling will even let you go if you apologize. It really doesnt seem like she’s a people-eater.

I’m not just playing the ‘muh waifu’ card here either, other characters I like, like Aya or Chen, I can totally see going after and eating stray humans.

I guess we dont have proof she ISN’T like that, but I’m still surprised you’d call the canon Meiling a people-eating monster.

>>33651921
It's stated that Sakuya serves human flesh to characters like Flandre. While the SDM cast might not kill and eat humans, it seems likely that Sakuya outsources it and prepares it for them to eat.

>>33607888
He called her a youkai shrine maiden, but didn't know how to dodge.

>>33652074
>It's stated that Sakuya serves human flesh to characters like Flandre
Is it? I’ve never seen that (still catching up on CoLA though).

I know Flandre ‘has only seen humans in the form of a drink’ but getting blood doesnt require killing (see Remi, who usually just leaves people unconscious by not sipping too much). Far as I’m aware nothing else has been said about the SDM’s diet, other than Akyuu saying Sakuya occasionally buys groceries from the village. I never had the impression that meant human meat.

>>33651921
>>33652074
Also Meiling "jokes" about eating Reimu in EoSD

>>33652470
>...there is a saying that Shrine Maidens are the kind of people you're allowed to eat...
How about that, you’re right. Huh.

I must admit, I’m a little dismayed the seemingly friendly Hong would want to take a bite out of me.

>>33651921
>Meiling
>Has there ever been an in-canon mention of her eating people?
Yes!

Singing
Oh Lord, Gensokyo was made for us
Singing
Oh Lord, this fearful life just ain't enough

When I see your face
I know I must protect my race

Keep your Spell Cards by your side!!!

>>33652074
Vampires feed on human blood, not their meat. Moreover, both Sakuya and Meiling are technically human. Not entirely baseline, but human nonetheless.

>>33652947
She didn't say it's okay *for her*. It was a statement in general.

>>33656506
>both Sakuya and Meiling are technically human
Meiling is a youkai.

>>33656636
Or at least we believe so.

>>33649265

>>33659492
Who's the Varg of Gensokyo?

>>33649265
I forgot you were talking about Marisa and read that in an old redneck's voice.
It still fits the bill.

>>33628428
*brings a nuke to gensokyo*
I wonder what would happen

>>33666421
i mean

>>33666421
Set off a nuke in the human village and all of gensokyo is fucked. Those few that could survive either die of radiation or from lack of believe.

The only places I see surviving are Heaven, old Hell and Hakugyokorou.

>>33671816
Who gives a damn about radiation when there are no humans.
A nuke would easily them out and Gensokyo by extension.

>>33675912
The Radiation would be more of a problem for Marisa, Reimu, Sakuya, Reisen and other characters who don't need human belive to survive.

>>33678126
of course it's less of a problem
I'm saying that once a nuke as turned everyone into a shadow on the ground and reduced everything to ash, who cares about the radiation?

who the fuck is going to manage bringing a nuke into gensokyo?

>>33621450
>she's unable to do this, and flings herself into the ocean
I suspect that the reason Wakasagihime is canonically (by official profile) not an enemy of humans is because of this story. She's more like a Western mermaid than a Japanese mermaid. And the story was written well before the Hakurei Barrier was erected, so fear of Western mermaids was already insignificant at that time. So does Wakasagihime need human fear to survive? Do human villagers even know she exists? Is she a counterexample to the necessity of the whole Gensokyo system?

>>33683241
you say that when Okuu exists

>>33683241
Reminder the lunarians managed to piss america off in the 60's with the whole moon wars shit. if america ever found gensokyo and found even a single youkai rabbit, shit would hit the fan.

>>33660451
Futo

Would a 2hu character be able to dodge a real bullet?

>>33607877
Yukari used to be a human though right

>>33666421
>>33671816
>>33675912
>>33678126
>>33683208
Implying the laws of physics apply in Gensokyo and it would work in the first place... (And even if it would, there are far more powerful entities there who would neutralize the damage in no time.)

>>33683241
Marisa has a nuke

>>33692244
that's a pretty rude way to describe her fat ass

>>33692527
Her Ass is where the Bombs are stored. What comes out of it are the real Nukes.

>>33690908
>Implying the laws of physics apply in Gensokyo and it would work in the first place
OKUU EXISTS

>>33605982
Gods are more powerful than youkai and helped humanity.

>>33698217
>helped humanity.
not all of them.
someone like Ares is hardly helpful for humanity

>>33698217
>>33703731
Yeah, even some Titans (like Prometheus) are more helpful for humans than the gods are.

>>33698217
Gods in most Myths are Assholes and make things actively worse. Sure they might give the Heroes Items and advice for their Quest but most of the time it's their fault the Hero has to go throw all this shit.

The 12 Labors of Heracles, The Epic of Gilgamesh or The Epic Cycle to name a few.

>>33709849
They are assholes sure but they still want to keep humanity alive so if it ever got so bad that humans were close to extinction they would be forced to help.

>>33715277
God killed off the youkai in the flood

>>33720545
I wonder if anybody has told the Youkai in Gensokyo that they're dead.

>>33722656
Gensokyo is a land of illusion and fantasy, where faith creates reality. If the gensokyans don't believe they are dead, they won't be dead.

>>33731930
>If the gensokyans don't believe they are dead, they won't be dead.
>>33722656
Even if someone did, I doubt they'd believe it.

>>33690614
they can dodge lasers

All it would take to doom Gensokyo is the humans in the village to stop believing.
No wonder yukari is so anal about outside influence.

>>33741589
Yukari can just spirit away more humans. It's not like the villagers would just instantaneously stop believing. Youkari would probably catch wind of it and started spiriting away more humans (just in case).

>>33741589
>>33741598
Would it be possible to drive Yukari into a wall, like simultaneously neutralizing all humans in the village?
Assuming that Gensokyo's pillars are the human/cattles in the village. It would still be difficult for Yukari to indoctrinate outsiders into human village cattle.

>>33741598
How much effect does the faith of religious people/cultists in the outside world have, then compared to that in gensokyo?
is it weakened through the barrier or does faith work in percentages (of people)?
Could for example a monk be spirited away to work as a faith-pill?

>>33741772
There are probably more people who believe in the supernatural in New York alone then there are humans in Gensokyo.

I think that the Outside World has just so many people who don't believe in Youkai/Gods that that in itself neutralizes all the people who believe and goes so far as to hurt supernatural beings living there.

Basically Gensokyo has like + 5.000 believe, the outside world has - 6-7 billion.

>>33741772
Spirited away or just wander into Gensokyo by pure chance? The latter is possible regardless of what you are. A jet made it into Gensokyo for a brief moment simply because it was forgotten(?)

up.

>>33741772
There are beings like Mamizou who can exist outside the barrier just fine, as long as there are some weirdo cryptid theorists out there who believe in them.

Gensokyo isnt just the land of faith, it’s the land of the forgotten and no longer believed in.

>>33715277
Forced to help because they have no choice.
The Olympians are possibly the most entitled little shits out there.
Not even the Titans were like that to my knowledge and their worst case was Chronos.
Humans exist for the small shit they don't want to do.

>>33666421
why stop at just a plain old nuke?
salted nukes (also known as cobalt bombs) would be way more efficient and lethal

>>33649265
What is Boomhauer doing in Gensokyo?

>>33755651
Fuck it.
Bring an entire arsenal. They can fit them in suitcases now, just carpet nuke the place.

>>33765335
what kind of suitcase can even store a whole damn arsenal?

>>33605982
What's up with the moon and youkais? why do they came from its light?

>>33771342
it's obviously the lunarians
if only a version of the final solution but for lunarians existed

>>33690837
Could be

>>33628428
This doujin is fucking dogshit

>>33774526
most grimsokyo stuff is
i rarely see it done well

>>33770576
A hammerspace suitcase.
You can leave a bunch of them around, timed.

>>33774526
i just read it, it makes no freaking sense

>>33787363
link?

>>33771983

>>33792900
Just check around the non-h section, it should be still at page 1

>>33806231
Why are you so sad, Arisu ? Those Moonfags are going to get punished for their sins

>>33792900
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/my_very_own_magic_my_very_own_me

>>33817492
>>33810738
Thanks
>>33816639
Alice booked a trip to the Lunar capital and hasn't gone back to Gensokyo yet.

>>33756950
>Boomhauer
?