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youmu boobie

i am immune to hypnosis

>>33626503
That's not a doughnut.

>>33631689
>>33632770
>>33634984
what is it?

>>33637214
gold coin
I don't know the exact name for it.

>>33626503
What is the faceless hypnotist's plan in these scenarios if the girl just refuses to look at the coin?

>>33626503
>>33644943
Youmu is too dumb to understand what she's looking at, so hypnosis has no effect on her. It's like trying to hypnotize a cat.

>>33645279
Youmu isn't dumb and is perfectly vulnerable to hypnosis.

>>33626503
We all know who the donuts really for.

>>33626503
>>33644943
I've seen some off-model fanart in my days, but this is some next level shit.

>>33646145
It's hard to call any Touhou fanart "off-model" when the original art is nowhere near model sheet quality.

>>33626503
Yuyuko hypnotises poor Youmu into working for free and giving her all her food portions

>>33650438
I can understand interpreting someone like Yuyuko for example as a big tiddied slut. But Youmu nigga?

>>33646127
fattie
>>33650438
>when the original art is nowhere near model sheet quality.
I bet you think Yukari has tits.

>>33632770
So am I

>>33665777
really?

>>33644943
They just leave, since the chances of someone taking them seriously are pretty low. Low risk situation, but also low chance of success to the point of it being delusional.

>>33632770
>>33665777
Prove it.

>>33668968
>>33632770
I've twice been in those mass hypnosis events they have at parties and such.
In both cases with different hypnotists, the setup was largely the same:
The hypnotist would ask for a bunch of people who were up late at night at a celebration and mostly sober. In both cases I was familiar with many of the people, and in fact encouraged a friend who was a bit skittish about it, so I doubt it was one of those cases where almost everyone was in on some joke.
The volunteers would then sit next to each other in a row facing the audience with their eyes closed, and the hypnotist would basically go through a meditative exposition where they would have the volunteers imagine different, dreamlike scenarios and get them into a relaxed state.

After some time, they would softly tap on those who apparently weren't entering a hypnotic state, which happened to me both times. In both cases, with 20-ish people each time, only a few were tapped out. I wasn't resisting or anything, and in each case the tap came as a surprise.

They would keep at this until they determined enough people were in a hypnotic spell, and would then select certain people, who were in a very languid and spacey state that didn't seem forced, to describe certain events, envision themselves in certain situations as if they were real and react as such, perform actions which were very out of character and could be mildly embarrassing, etc. It was a very gradual, self-reinforcing process of validating and strengthening whatever delusion/image was being presented as a valid reality. Kind of like the inverse of a lucid dream, which I've had frequently.

So I guess I'm notably resistant to whatever conditioning is involved in the process.

>>33645279
>It's like trying to hypnotize a cat.
but that's easy

>>33669972
I don't know about mass hypnosis, but for one-on-one hypnosis there's a lot of factors that come into determining how receptive you are to suggestion; one of the biggest factors is whether or not the participant actually "believes" in what you're about to do to them, and the other is that they need to feel very comfortable with the person who will be hypnotizing them (which is why for a lot of clinical hypnotherapy sessions, they may actually consist of several meetings with the hypnotist to assuage any fears and worries/get to know you on the personal level before actually attempting to perform an induction as this makes you more prone to suggestion from them). Basically like you described, the more relaxed the subject and imaginative they are, the easier the hypnosis is to perform. Hypnosis itself is basically no different than the everyday "trances" you sometimes experience, where your mind is a bit out of it and time seems to go by quickly. Kind of like how when you play a videogame you may sometimes sort of "tune out" other things and just focus on the game and time seems to go by quickly, same experienced purportedly with people who drive a lot just sort of subconsciously driving a route they know well.

Fun fact, your subconscious actually has what is referred to as a "hidden observer", a sort of primal subconscious instinct, to prevent you from doing something that is blatantly self-destructive or harmful to you. It basically quick-checks any suggestion fed to you by the hypnotist, and if it's something obviously intended to not be in your interests you will have an abreaction and snap out of the hypnosis. Though, I've heard some particularly skilled hypnotists can work around this both in how they word the suggestion itself and feeding the patient ideas outside of hypnosis that would make them more susceptible to what they're trying to do. The patient's relationship with the hypnotist has a pretty big role all-around.

>>33678547
To expand on that, basically the more guarded and distrusting you are of the hypnotist, the odds of pulling off a successful induction drop quite a bit. So a skeptic is usually less likely to be prone to suggestion than somebody who thoroughly believes what the hypnotist is saying. Sometimes being out of it, like tired or hungover can increase a person's suggestibility too however since your mind isn't really in a defensive state.

is hypnosis fun?

>>33626503
Too many doughnuts!

>>33645306
The detective Satummy manga proved that Youmu is in fact very, very, very dumb.

>>33681502
She doesn't need to be smart when she looks this cute.
Being a dummy makes her even cuter!

>>33681419
Do you like studying esoteric practices and otherwise getting some insight into how the mind works? It's a very interesting field if so. Why hypnosis works isn't really understood and you'll hear countless theories about it, but it has a lot of applications ranging from the widely-known "showmans hypnosis" and the more practical applications of hypnotherapy like helping people with PTSD, or overcoming other various fears and psychological issues. In the case of showmans hypnosis, seeing how people respond to it can be a fairly amusing spectacle. I remember one teacher's story recounted how he once told one of his students to 'walk around the classroom and act like a chicken', and noted that while entranced she was still talking saying things like "I'm a chicken!", because she had subconsciously envisioned a more fairy-tale-esque chicken than a traditional one. You can do a lot of silly stuff like convince people their foot is stuck to the floor, among other things.

Depending on where you live, there might be classes near you, and there are online courses as well. They mostly cover clinical applications of it, but the basic theory and logic is the same. The one near where I live would have practice sessions on older people.

The only thing is if you pursue it as a serious study you'll have to deal with the constant shadow of it's darker side. Mainly the fact that it has a lot of roots in occultism and the massive BDSM following it has. I'm talking flat-out freaky, straight up hedonistic stuff. I ended up not taking my studies any further than what I was taught because of it, it's a weird ever-lingering presence that really gives some insight into the darker side of people and you'll inevitably run into it while studying it. Girls also probably have an easier time of it than guys since they also don't have to deal with the attached negative stigma and will likely have an easier time building trust amongst patients, I'm not sure if it's like it everywhere but the clinical hypnotherapy classes near me were pretty much all girls too. It's inevitable you'll get some weird looks or skepticism if you're a guy, but I guess it depends where you live. I told somebody I knew I was studying it once, and they just straight up stopped talking to me. It doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation as an honest-man's subject.

>>33677224
Mine just grabs the 5-yen coin and tries to eat it.

>>33682361
It seems interesting, but I mean moreso on the receiving end of it. Ignoring all the other stuff about it, it seems mostly just like guided meditation. Hypnotizing yourself seems like an easy way to get into a meditative state.

>>33683482
Ah, I'm not really spiritually inclined enough to know about meditation stuff, though I've heard that comparison made before. Self-induction might be of interest to you, It's relatively straightforward and often suggested to beginners with no one to practice on or people who otherwise want to experience it themselves without being at someone else's whims. I hear some people will actually record suggestions for themselves like in an actual hypnosis session and play them via earphones during it.

Of course, it still follows the rules of regular induction in that you'll have difficulty entering trance if you're not receptive to suggestion. Most self-induction methods are pretty simple, but there's a lot of techniques you can try and it might take some practice before you really get into it depending on how resistant to it you are.

>>33668968
If you did that, I'd take the coin, get a better rope and hit you with it for even bothering to make an attempt at hypnosis.

>>33661382
>I bet you think Yukari has tits.
I do imagine that she has tits but that's only because she has them in SSIB.

>>33682361
>>The only thing is if you pursue it as a serious study you'll have to deal with the constant shadow of it's darker side. Mainly the fact that it has a lot of roots in occultism and the massive BDSM following it has. I'm talking flat-out freaky, straight up hedonistic stuff. I ended up not taking my studies any further than what I was taught because of it, it's a weird ever-lingering presence that really gives some insight into the darker side of people and you'll inevitably run into it while studying it.
Explain further? "Freaky" is relative. What kind of freaky hedonistic stuff? I ask because it's for partly (but only partly) fetishistic reasons that I'm interested in this myself, so the idea itself isn't shocking to me, but I know there are people way further off that deep end than I am and there are some things that do freak me out. Not him btw.

>>33681481
disgusting

>>33626503
Be more subtle when you pad your bras next time, Youmu.

>>33693056
Way too much to write for one post and I'm not sure I'm good at explaining, but I'll try to cover a few points.

You'll quickly learn studying hypnosis that there's a bunch of different forms of it, some not requiring the physical presence of the hypnotist, such as discreet suggestions via audio. Probably the most unsettling thing is "sissification" stuff, which is, pretty much how it sounds. Basically planting a subconscious suggestion that you're a dick slut, even if you're a man through a number of methods. A lot of the time this stuff is snuck into audio recordings people use to get themselves into trance or other training purposes. I'm sure it sounds utterly ridiculous, but it's very much a real thing. Stories like these are fairly common, the offending hypnotists often heavily rely on the use of abstract triggers/anchors to make the subject experience these thoughts involuntarily. Ironically, most of the time the only way to fix this is through more hypnosis sessions to remove the prior conditioning. I bring this up first because, if you're studying hypnosis frequently, it's something you really need to be mindful of. Namely in the usage of triggers, which I'll talk a bit about later.

As for more physical stuff, well, it's the main appeal of why a lot of guys get into hypnosis. Some fairly common techniques I know of - obviously the most infamous and showman-y of them is being able to make your subject orgasm on demand. There's also a technique that makes the subject basically a deadpan sex robot (there was an actual term for this which I've forgotten) which also gets a bit of thoroughfair. Only real limitation is what the hypnotist can think of, on the more extreme end the sissification and bimbofication stuff are a constant presence, pissing and... other bodily functions are also purported topics of suggestion. If fetishistic reasons are what you're into, I know that there are various erotic hypnosis forums and meetups where people will occasionally advertise themselves out for wanting to be subjects and such. Though I've never cared enough to look into this.
Pretty much any fetishistic stuff you've seen in a hypnosis doujin is completely doable.

>>33699200
i ejaculated while reading your post
what does that mean???

>>33699200
Though that brings up the moral concerns of things as well which is the main thing. One thing you'll learn is that the human ego is very very fragile and easily malleable. It's really easy to fuck yourself or somebody else up mentally because of a poorly worded suggestion or trigger. To use an example I've already talked about, the girl that had the fantasy idea of being a chicken, it's a lot like that. You really have to make sure you and the subject are both on the same page before an induction because they can interpret things completely differently than what you intend. And even then it's a pretty sketchy state of affairs. Amongst couples and such, a lot of the times the hypnotist will sort of "tighten the leash" on their partner, basically enstilling an obedience in them.

Even if both sides agree to something like that, it's a bit morally questionable because, at what point is it simply the hypnotist exerting control on a subject? It's less the subject's thoughts as an individual and more the suggestions of the hypnotist keeping them bound to a certain line of thinking. A sort of mental chain. It's pretty easy for people to lose themselves in the power dynamic this gives. This is inherent in hypnosis itself because you have a blatant master-servant power dynamic; the hypnotist gives commands to the subject, and the subject follows them.

>>33699286
My post was littered with discreet suggestions and hypnotic anchors so that you realize you are so madly in love with Alice, you can no longer control yourself when you see a picture of her. There's no cure, sorry anon.

>>33699358
the inquisition will deal with (You), sorccerer.

>>33699200
I've looked into erotic hypnosis before, but not very deeply—that is, I read a bit about it in various places online, but didn't ask about it and certainly didn't go looking for anyone to try it with. I know I've heard of the orgasm-on-command thing and I think I've heard of the emotionless sex robot thing.

>A lot of the time this stuff is snuck into audio recordings people use to get themselves into trance or other training purposes.
OK, this is sort of thing is that really gives me pause. I've heard of sissy hypnosis but I never realize people would try to spike unrelated hypnosis tracks with it. That sounds beyond freaky or hedonistic; that sounds legitimately sick. It reminds me a bit of the one thing I remember seeing that seriously disturbed me when I was reading about this. This guy claimed that he had revealed he was a hypnotist to a Catholic girl, who then became pretty interested. When she asked for a demonstration, he said "Oh, I could do something very evil to you right now," which naturally only made her more curious. Then he induced her and said, "From now on whenever you see your church you will become incredibly aroused and your mind will be filled with thoughts of me fucking you." Apparently she stopped going to mass soon after that.

What the fuck? He just implanted a recurring intrusive thought in her mind. She didn't consent to that. You can't consent to something unless you know what it is you're consenting to, and all she knew was that it was "something veeeery naaasty ;)". "Very nasty" doesn't even begin to describe that, and I think the people I know who are into BDSM would be the most inclined to agree with me.

Now, this anecdote was on Reddit, so of course I took with a heaping tablespoon of grains of salt, but the idea was still very disturbing, and what you've said makes it even more disturbing in retrospect. I've heard many times that hypnosis can't actually make you do anything you aren't already willing to do—although I've never heard the term "hidden observer" until this thread—but it sounds like this isn't foolproof protection from any infohazard that any duplicitous, ulteriorly motivated hypnotist might want to implant. What are these "triggers" and "anchors" you're talking about? Does that story I just mentioned describe one?

>>33704328
Stories like that aren't super uncommon, yeah. That's more or less the kind of stuff that might unknowingly happen to someone through an auditory session, albeit with varying levels of extremeness. Some have outright weird triggers or suggestions. I'd never trust or listen to anything that wasn't reputable, personally. It's also an amusingly strange scenario in which the only cure for it is even more hypnosis. Somebody who's less fortunate might wind up in an even deeper rabbit hole seeking help for their first problem, theoretically.

I'll remention what I said before in that, funnily enough, nobody really knows WHY hypnotism works - just that it does and it's been shown there are changes in the brain during it. Unfortunately that means the truth and lies can be indistinguishable from each other. You'll commonly hear statements like "nobody can be hypnotized into doing something they don't want to do", but that's a bit of a misnomer. It all depends on how receptive the subject is to suggestion and what the hypnotist's been telling them outside of trance to accomplish this. What a person thinks they want and what they might actually want are abstract, malleable concepts which a skilled hypnotist can use. Again, a lot of this involves having a good rapport with the subject outside of simple hypnosis - it's not quite like doujins where you can approach any girl on the street and have them rip their clothes off after an induction.
This is also just my personal opinion, but I think the "they won't do anything they don't want to do" argument is also just an excuse people use either to convince themselves they're not committing something morally questionable, or are aware and just trying to cover up the fact. Degree of success varies person by person but subjecting someone to something they didn't actually want is completely doable.

Bit unrelated, but on the darker side of things I've heard of hypnotists who rape or molest their subjects with the pretext of them not remembering any of it afterwards - like your average doujin hypnotist, are actually initially successful. Though according to victims fragments of the session would slowly resurface in unusual ways, such as through dreams. In one case I recall a girl mentioning she started having recurring dreams about it some whole six years later.

As for your question, an anchor is simply a stimuli that invokes a certain feeling. These are natural events and occur very frequently outside of hypnosis. A person with heights will experience fear in a high up place. If you really hate a certain food, seeing it might make you agitated. For a hypnosis related example, you could make high places evoke feelings of joy and comfort instead of fear.

A trigger on the other hand invokes an explicit action from the subject. Do a backflip every time you see a picture of Alice, eat a doughnut every time you see a picture of Yuyuko, etc.

Your story is an example of an anchor tied to a trigger - the girl sees a church and thinks of having sex with the hypnotist (trigger) and gets aroused by it (anchor). Fun fact - each activation of an anchor reinforces it's effects; same logic behind phobias too.

>>33705549
By the way, despite all the bad stuff I've mentioned here, hypnosis has a lot of practical effects and applications to help in the betterment of an individual. Moving past phobias, relieving trauma and pain... Unfortunately, it never really got past that "weird occult thing that probably isn't real" phase amongst the wider populace. In fact I'm sure a lot of lurkers might be skeptical of what I've described, if they bother to read my walls of text.

I hope that one day hypnotherapy, NLP and other relating sciences will one day get proper recognition and validation as a real treatment method, rather than what's mostly seen as a superstitious practice used by people indulging in self-pleasure. As it stands now that's exactly what it is, which is unfortunate. I'm not sure if it'll ever really move past it's more taboo roots given how firmly ingrained in it they are, but I think it can help a lot of people aside from just being used in indulgent carnal pleasure.

>>33705549
Wild. "Nobody knows why it works, only that it does" is almost a trope in technologically modern fantasy settings for RPGs, used to reconcile magic with modern scientific thought without making magic into just another science.

>>33705645
NLP seems a bit like chiropractics in that it's sabotaged by quacks making outrageous claims about its effectiveness which are then promptly disproven, discrediting the entire discipline and making it difficult to research any of the more realistic benefits that it might in fact have. Hypnosis has the advantage that it obviously does SOMETHING, whereas the jury still seems to be out on whether chiropractics does anything at all other than make your back make noises.

i love seiga

Hypnosis isn't real you dumb, gullible, horny, ERPing crossboarders.

>>33715003
does seiga hypnotize people

>>33716612
with her seigas

>>33715389

>>33717524
don't hypnotize anons

>>33717561
too late

>>33719044
oh no...

>>33719260
Oh yes. She's all mine now.

>>33715389
Welcome to (You)r new life, Anon. (You)'ll love it!

Alright that's enough
No more roleplay

>>33719416
It's okay, I ran out of images to edit anyway.

>>33717524
How can you hypnotize someone who can stop time and clean a room between each swing?

>>33720379
That assumes she is on her guard, which she obviously isn't because she doesn't believe in it.

>>33723029
(this is true, btw: rabbits are in heat year round)

>>33723029
"Become my wife!"
"...I would have been quite open to the thought if you had popped the question in any other way. I don't even know what to say about this."
"..."
"By the way can I have that coin?"

>>33723040
So are humans though

>>33725233
I love the recent porn trope where someone fakes being hypnotized or just fulfills the request at face value, and the hypnotist is pissed/disappointed/scared/etc.

>>33723029
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3421849

Hypnosis is old hat. It's all about dogeza nowadays.

>>33726346
What about hypnotized dogeza?

>>33726381
How would that work? I meant getting girls to do things by performing dogeza in front of them.

>>33726839
Oh, I thought you meant the other way around, sorry.

>>33632770
you are not immune to propaganda however

>>33626503
The tables turn

>>33737940
No!

>>33746890
Yes...

>>33725292
Not in the same way that rabbits are. We don't have an oestrus cycle, but we do have a menstrual cycle, which is why we have "safe days" (although they're not predictable enough to actually be reliably safe). Rabbits have no cycle at all; sexual activity itself causes them to ovulate, allowing them to conceive at any time. Cats are the same way, actually.

>>33749721
That just means rabbits don't have heat and humans do.

>>33725874
"Stop being a creep!"

>>33725874
Donuts for Alice!

>>33749787
That's another way to put it. A third way would be to define "heat" as "oestrus" and say that neither rabbits nor humans have heat.

Haha fat dork!

>>33737940
What is that?

>>33699200
>A lot of the time this stuff is snuck into audio recordings people use to get themselves into trance or other training purposes.
Source? If I try to look this up all I find is actual sissy hypnosis content (that's honest about what it is).

Look into my eyes, Anon.

>>33764708
No!

>>33765474
Ｌｏｏｋ　ｉｎｔｏ　ｔｈｅｍ．

>>33772247
You can't make me!

>>33764708
>>33772247
Jiiiii~

>>33777887
Kokoro has no power over me!

>>33705549
>This is also just my personal opinion, but I think the "they won't do anything they don't want to do" argument is also just an excuse people use either to convince themselves they're not committing something morally questionable, or are aware and just trying to cover up the fact
Well now I'm incredibly distrusting of someone I know who's heavily into BDSM circles and also got into hypnosis with the excuse of wanting to "help friends with anxiety" and all that.
Very interesting to hear overall, thank you for the story.