/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Servant I'm putting up on the table is barely known - he doesn't even

have a wiki page. This is probably because it's an African myth. We

all know of Greek, Asian, and European heroes. Time for something new.

I present to you, Bakaridjan Kone.

He's really strong, and may be considered almost a hax servant with

all his NPs.
First NP, is of course his horse. It's not named, but always described

as "the great white one, with the silver bit and bridle." It's as fast

as the wind, and can make very good turns as seen in one battle. I'd

say it'd be like Medusa's Pegasus, except it of course can't fly, and

perhaps slower. Rather than a beam, it just gets a torrent of wind

surrounding it.

He has two weapons, which are also NPs. A spear that "could take the

lives of two men with one throw" and a gun that "could take the lives

of four men with one shot."

Quoting from my book, "Bakaraidjan's cirtue protects him more than any

magic charm that he may wear. He radites such power that he disarms

every weapons. No spear-point or bullet can penetrate his skin."
Bakaridjan was able to disarm and stela the weaposn of an entire army

(inb4 something racist). He never uses them, but just disarms them. So

that's an NP.
As stated, no spear-point or bullet can pierce his skin. In African

myths, such things are taken literally, so Bakaridjan's NP is to

bassically be immune to Lancer and Archer classes.

In order to kill a jinn who was immune to all weapons, Bakaridjan made a wooden knife. As I said, these African myths are pretty literal. The jinn is immune to all things metal, but wood doesn't count. This NP would be something along the lines of "Metal Breaker".

The guy is an excellent servant. Will put up stats, etc later.

/thread

Servant I'm putting up on the table is barely known - he doesn't even have a wiki page. This is probably because it's an African myth. We all know of Greek, Asian, and European heroes. Time for something new.

I present to you, Bakaridjan Kone.
He's really strong, and may be considered almost a hax servant with all his NPs.

First NP, is of course his horse. It's not named, but always described as "the great white one, with the silver bit and bridle." It's as fast as the wind, and can make very good turns as seen in one battle. I'd say it'd be like Medusa's Pegasus, except it of course can't fly, and perhaps slower. Rather than a beam, it just gets a torrent of wind surrounding it.

He has two weapons, which are also NPs. A spear that "could take the lives of two men with one throw" and a gun that "could take the lives of four men with one shot."

Quoting from my book, "Bakaraidjan's virtue protects him more than any magic charm that he may wear. He radites such power that he disarms every weapons. No spear-point or bullet can penetrate his skin."
Bakaridjan was able to disarm and steal the weapons of an entire army (inb4 something racist). He never uses them, but just disarms them. So that's an NP.
As stated, no spear-point or bullet can pierce his skin. In African myths, such things are taken literally, so Bakaridjan's NP is to basically be immune to Lancer and Archer classes.

In order to kill a jinn who was immune to all weapons, Bakaridjan made a wooden knife. As I said, these African myths are pretty literal. The jinn is immune to all things metal, but wood doesn't count. This NP would be something along the lines of "Metal Breaker".

The guy is an excellent servant. Will put up stats, etc later.

Teddy Roosevelt is the only option

>>3425705

The Hoff would make the best servant ever.

Odin, anyone?

Fucking anyone in Romance of the Three Kingdoms cause they were ALL on horses

>>3425765
He's a God

>>3425705
I can’t stop this feelin’
Deep inside of me
Girl you just don’t realize
What you do to me

>>3425765

I'm going to shout at you (in text) like I shouted at everyone else.

DEITIES CANNOT BE SUMMONED AS SERVANTS
THEY ARE NOT HUMAN SPIRITS AND ARE NOT SEATED IN THE THRONE OF HEROES

>>3425777
Oh, right. Almost forgot about that, because he's not a god in FF. Oh well.

The Red Baron

The Ingenious Hidalgo Don Quixote of La Mancha

>>3425807
did that guy actually exist?

>>3425822
Did Medusa exist?

Second one I'm putting up
The Headless Horseman

>>3425825

There's a difference between a thing of legend and a thing of fiction.

That is, a direct origin point. Who made up Medusa? We know Miguel de Cervantes made up Don Quixote.

>>3425822

Did Koijiro exist?

El Cid Campeador.

>>3425822
No, but he might as well have.

>>3425844

No, and even the Nasuverse says no.

The guy who said he was Sasaki Kojirou was not Sasaki Kojirou. He was just a master swordsman who developed the Tsubame Gaeshi, which is apparently (and completely coincidentally) was what Sasaki Kojirou was famous for.

>>3425839

The three Gorgon sisters—Medusa, Stheno, and Euryale—were children of the ancient marine deities Phorcys and his sister Ceto, or sometimes (and much less probably), Typhon and Echidna, in each case chthonic monsters from an archaic world. Their genealogy is shared with other sisters, the Graeae, as in Aeschylus's Prometheus Bound, who places both trinities of sisters far off "on Kisthene's dreadful plain":


Near them their sisters three, the Gorgons, winged
With snakes for hair— hated of mortal man—

>>3425861

While ancient Greek vase-painters and relief carvers imagined Medusa and her sisters as beings born of monstrous form, sculptors and vase-painters of the fifth century began to envisage her as a being both beautiful as well as terrifying. In an ode written in 490 BC Pindar already speaks of "fair-cheeked Medusa".[3] In a late version of the Medusa myth, related by the Roman poet Ovid (Metamorphoses 4.770), Medusa was originally a beautiful maiden, "the jealous aspiration of many suitors," priestess in Athena's temple, but when she was raped, or seduced, by the "Lord of the Sea" Poseidon in Athena's temple, the enraged virgin goddess transformed her beautiful hair to serpents and made her face so terrible to behold that the mere sight of it would turn a man to stone. In Ovid's telling, Perseus describes Medusa's punishment by Athena as just and well-deserved.

>>3425848
/jp/ is the embodiment of him.
He even had a waifu ;_;

>>3425839

While ancient Greek vase-painters and relief carvers imagined Medusa and her sisters as beings born of monstrous form, sculptors and vase-painters of the fifth century began to envisage her as a being both beautiful as well as terrifying. In an ode written in 490 BC Pindar already speaks of "fair-cheeked Medusa". In a late version of the Medusa myth, related by the Roman poet Ovid (Metamorphoses 4.770), Medusa was originally a beautiful maiden, "the jealous aspiration of many suitors," priestess in Athena's temple, but when she was raped, or seduced, by the "Lord of the Sea" Poseidon in Athena's temple, the enraged virgin goddess transformed her beautiful hair to serpents and made her face so terrible to behold that the mere sight of it would turn a man to stone. In Ovid's telling, Perseus describes Medusa's punishment by Athena as just and well-deserved.

>>3425858

Ah, forgot he was actually a real person, despite not actually being the hero that he was summoned as. Still, doesn't Rin say that if a story is believed enough, the heroes in it can be summoned?

I make a point to make up a Servant for each of those, but for this one I'll just pull out an old one. This was intended for twin Masters, like Edelfelt sisters.

Castor and Pollux
Class: Rider
Gender: Male
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral

Stats
Castor
STR: C+
CON: C
AGI: A-
MGI: D
LCK: D
Noble Phantasm: A

Pollux
STR: B
CON: B
AGI: A-
MGI: C
LCK: D
Noble Phantasm: A

Skills
Divinity: A (Pollux) / C (Castor)
Riding: A (Pollux) / A+ (Castor)
Instinct: B (Pollux)
Natural skill honed by experience as a boxer.
Magic Resistance: C (Pollux) / D (Castor)
Independent Action: C (Pollux) / C (Castor)
Signum Gemini: C
A minor ability shared by the brothers. Castor and Pollux may influence the visible properties of stars that bear their names. Seemingly not very useful other than confusing astrologists, a creative Master can still find ways to make use of this skill, such as use this to sending Morse code messages to allies to call for reinforcements in a pinch.

(Pollux' stats are slightly beefed up due to his higher Divinity, save Riding - Castor was noted as being exceptionally skilled at horse taming, though both twins were associated with horses. )

>>3425885
Noble Phantasms
Dioscuri: Shared Life, Shared Death
Rank B Support-type Noble Phantasm
The blessing granted by Zeus that allowed Pollux to share his gift of immortality with his dead brother. Normally, this allows the brothers to take turns living and being dead, but as Servants, should one of the twins die; this blessing, the connection between the twins, and the loophole that allowed the existance of two Rider-class Servants in the same Grail War can be used to effectively resummon him, provided enough mana is present. The brothers also share the same prana pool, allowing them to conserve the prana that make up their bodies instead of having it dissipate upon death, by transferring it to the other twin with a link similar to the one between Master and Servant.

As befitting their birth, the resurrected brother hatches from an egg, of which remaining shards also qualify as a D-ranked, one-use defensive Noble Phantasm, not effective in battles against other Servants but perhaps useful for shielding a Master from harm.

Cyllaros and Harpagos, Gifts of Olympus
Rank B Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Two seperate Phantasmal Beast horses that serve as the steeds of the twins - Cyllaros belongs to Castor and Harpagos to Pollux. Chosen by Olympians, they are remarkably strong for their kind but still low on the Phantasmal Beast hierarchy. They are used more for mobility advantage and leading Transvectio Equitum than their own strength.

>>3425877

No, she did not.

>>3425889
Transvectio Equitum, March on for the Twin Brethen
Rank B+ Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
The march of Roman horsemen in honor of the Dioscurians. Requires Castor, Pollux and their mounts present, risking the safety of the twin Servants - Dioscuri cannot be used if one twin doesn't survive to maintain connection. Unlike Ionian Hetairoi which summons a battle-ready army, Transvectio Equitum is more of a symbolic march and the soldiers are representations of the Roman equites instead of actual, sentient eirei. Opposing Servants thus are more in danger of getting trampled by the legions of horsemen instead of getting directly attacked, though Castor and Pollux can and will lead the march (for about 30 minutes at maximum capacity) to seperate and/or corner foes.

>Perseus describes Medusa's punishment by Athena as just and well-deserved
Perseus really is like Shinji. What an asshole.

DATE MOTHERFUCKING MASAMUNE.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT PUT YOUR GUNS ON, BUT HE'S A RIDER ALRIGHT.

>>3425893

You cannot deny that she earned it, though.

>>3425893
You have to remember that all Greek deities and heroes have this here face on, permanently.

Don Quixote

grail war over.

>>3425906
Look Sancho! We must defeat that giant faggot!

Franklin Buchanan

Ironclad captain during the civil war.

The ironclad was like a normal ship but more METAL, and in the nasuverse that means it was obviously a reality marble or semen powered apparatus of some sort.

HIS ABILITY IS TOO NICE BOAT THE FUCK OUT OF YOU.

WHITE WHALE
HOLY GRAIL

>>3425936

Fuck him.

Horatio 'Motherfucking' Nelson.

Won the Battle of Trafalgar for the English. That's who we should have.

>>3425936
Fascinating.

>>3425901
I thought it was this.

>>3425710
Like the bit of
"NO METAL SHALL PIERCE MY SKIN"
"Okay how bout I fuck your shit up with a wooden knife?"
"Fuck"

what about Ghengis khan

>>3425966
My thoughts exactly.

Santa laus is the best rider

>>3426003
NP: Is a list that is able to discern the alignment of opponents. The stronger the alignment to bad the greater the punishment in reverse the stronger the alignment to good, the greater the reward.

>>3425710
So his NP are: A poor man's Pegasus, A poor man's God hand and a poor man's gae blog in gun form.

>>3426025
Yep.
Here's the stats.

Bakaridjan Kone
Class: Rider

Stats
Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Mana: D
Luck: C
Noble Phantasm: A

Class Skills
Riding: B
Magic Resistance: A

Personal Skills
Disengage: C
Instinct: B
Eye of Mind (True): B

Noble Phantasms
-Great White One with the Silver Bit and Bridle
Rank: B
Anti-Army
The special horse of King Da Monzon given to Bakaridjan. It is known

to be the stongest horse in the land, that's as fast as the wind.

-Spear of Da Monzon
Rank: C/C+
Anti-Unit/Anti-Army
One of two weapons he stole from Da Monzon's secret treasurey. When

thrown, it can target and kill two persons.

-Gun of Dan Monzon
Rank: B+
Anti-Army
One of two weapons he stole from Da Monzon's secret treasury. Can

target up to four people.

-Metal Breaker
Rank: A
Anti-Unit
A sharp-bladed knife made out of wood. Used to slay a jinn who's skin

was invulnearble to metal. Thus, Bakaridjan used wood to defeat this

powerful foe.
The knife penetrates any defense that claims to be as strong as or

stronger than metal.

-Weapon Disarm
Rank: A
Anti-Unit
As a part of Bakaridjan's great power, he can disarm the weapons of

his enemy provided that it is a Noble Phantasm of Rank B or lower.

-Bakaridjan's Virtue
Rank: A
Support
Immune to all spears and gun-like weapons.

>>3426025
You also forgot a poor man's Rule Breaker.

>>3426095
Changing Weapon Disarm from "Noble Phantasm of B or lower" to only servants with strength equal to or lower than Bakaridjan's, ie. B and lower.
It's based on his power. So if you're power is greater than his, then he obviously can't disarm you. Based on strength, not the NP.

/jp/ I PRESENT TO YOU;

Alexander the Great
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

His NP?
THE BEST MOTHERFUCKING HORSE IN THE WORLD.

Bucephalus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucephalus

>>3426369
Hey, slowBRO.

>>3426369
>In this tale, the colt, whose heroic attributes surpassed even those of Pegasus
FUCK the thought of this gets me hard
>the cause of death not old age or weariness, but fatal injuries at the Battle of the Hydaspes
DAMN. There's no better way to die.

>>3426369

Fuck yeah. Anyone who wants to know how badass Alexander the Great was just needs to listen to this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqfhfnOAIgQ

Statting Pecos Bill (uses firearms) and Paul Bunyan (uses MANLINESS).

Paul Bunyan, King of the Northern Frontier
Class: Rider

Stats
Strength: EX
Endurance: A
Agility: C
Mana: C-
Luck: D
Noble Phantasm: B

Class Skills
Riding: B
Element Resistance (Ice/Wind): A+
Magic Resistance: c

Noble Phantasms
-Babe, Greatest Blue Ox
Rank: A
Anti-Fortress
An ox raised by Bunyan from childhood. It has handily braved the coldest weather Gaia had to offer, and has been given a supernaturally blue coat in recognition of this feat. While it is no spirit or demon, this creature is comparable, or even mightier, to dragons in its raw power. Terraformation is a simple feat for this workox, and gives a glimpse at the mighty power of this beast.

-Frigid North, Frozen Words ~ The Wrath of Gaia
Rank: B
Anti-Army
Creates an area of freezing cold and silence with a radius of 1 mile. While it appears to be magical cold generated by magecraft, it is a merely a recreation of the hostile terrain that Bunyan has braved for the majority of his life. As such, Bunyan is unaffected by it, thogh the same cannot be said of his Master.

>>3426649

>Strength: EX

Too high for a "normal" human. Hercules, a demi-god, only has an A+ with his Madness effect. Make it B, B+ tops.

>>3426649
>>3426676

Disregard that, I was thinking of that guy who managed to beat the machine in putting spikes in for the railroad. Wish I could remember his name.

>>3426676
I don't think you understand just how big Paul Bunyan is.

He created the Grand Canyon by dragging his axe behind him on the ground.

>>3426698
You know what EX means? Basically considered it so powerful, it's off-the-scale. It's in a class of it's very own.
Heracles is known to be as strong as Atlas and lifted the entire world for him. Creating the Grand Canyon doesn't have jack shit on lifting the entire world.

>>3426721
He created the Grand Canyon by ACCIDENT. He levels forests in a single stroke of his axe. He is physically humongous.

Also, remember that Heracles struggled to hold the world up, and nearly fell.

Bunyan has never gone all-out in terms of strength. Ergo, his true might really is "incalculable." I, for one, am well convinced that he could be far stronger than Heracles.

>>3426748
>>3426698
American spotted

>>3426693

John Henry.

>>3426757
Oh no, you caught me.
It's an American legend, of course it's a little overblown. However, according to the LEGEND itself, I really believe that Paul Bunyan is that exceptional.

>>3426784

Ah, that's it. Simple propaganda but touching.

>>3426800

No one knows and no one gives a fuck about some faggot who made a canyon.

>>3426649

>While it is no spirit or demon, this creature is comparable, or even mightier, to dragons in its raw power

>Rank A

Dragons are rank EX creatures and the most powerful things in all nature.

No way in fuck is Babe as strong as a Dragon.

>>3426748
Are you retarded? Making a canyon is shit compared to carrying the entire cosmos.

>>3426369

Apparently you are not exactly aware of who the Rider before Medusa was.

Laeg Mac Riangabra
Class: Rider

Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Mana: C
Luck: E
Noble Phantasm: A

Magic Resistance: E
Riding: A+

Skills:

Magic: C
Allows some use of traditional witchcraft.

Tactical Advisor: B
The ability to provide advice and moral support on the battlefield.

Valour: C
Represents above-average training in the spear, the sling, the sword, athletic ability and artistic ability.

Noble Phantasm: Liath Macha and Dub Sainglend
Rank: A
Anti-Army Noble Phantasm

The two horses Cuchulainn left in the care of his charioteer. They can charge at full speed for hours on end without tiring, run on water and, once their bloodlust is roused, they will bite and trample all that stands in their way.

>>3426814
Only in physical strength, not overall. A dragon could almost surely take Babe on in a fight and win handily.

Also, before you fanboy over dragons, remember that faggoty humans have been known to kill dragons without technology.
>>3426813
>No one knows and no one gives a fuck about some faggoty sniper.
>No one knows and no one gives a fuck about some faggoty emperor.
>No one knows and no one gives a fuck about some faggoty king of the world.
>No one knows and no one gives a fuck about some faggoty irish spearman.
>No one knows and no one gives a fuck about some faggoty mon OH GOD I CAN'T MAKE MYSELF SAY IT.
SHUT UP, legends are legends. Saying one is retarded is on par with saying any given one is retarded.

Another servant who mentioned in a previous thread long ago.
Blackbeard! Yar!
He fights with a pistol, sword, and a bottle of rum.
He can summon his ship, Queen Anne's Revenge, along with it's crew members. Just imagine the ship appearing above him and floating and it fires all it's canons and blows shit up.

>>3426834
He carried the world, not the universe. Also, if he's so strong, how was anyone able to block his sword strokes? I don't see Saber's "shotgun blast of mana" being capable of temporarily moving the planet, but she can block the demi-god swinging his sword with all of his strength.

RIDES THE METAL MONSTER

BREATHING SMOKE AND FIRE

>>3426851

>Also, before you fanboy over dragons, remember that faggoty humans have been known to kill dragons without technology.

Just as there are tremulous but altogether lowly dragons like Fafnir, so too are there tremendous and odious dragons like Tiamat and Leviathan.

>>3426851
On the note of dragonslaying St.George would make a FUCK YEAH lancer, as well as having a huge advantage against arturia, since apparently she's weak against dragonslayers as she has the attributes of a dragon.

>>3426872

>He carried the world, not the universe.

Please re-learn what Atlas was charged with.

Atlas is not charged with holding the Earth above Hades. Atlas must hold the Heavens above the Earth.

>Also, if he's so strong, how was anyone able to block his sword strokes?

Big difference between swinging one arm and HEAVING with your entire body (lifting strength is in the legs etc.).

>>3426867
Edward Teach, Blackbeard the Pirate
Class: Rider

Stats
Strength: D
Endurance: C
Agility: C
Mana: E
Luck: A
Noble Phantasm: B

Class Skills
Riding: C
Magic Resistance: D

Personal Skills
Charisma: E
Military Tactics: B
Eye of the Mind (Fake): B
Eye for Art: D
Mental Pollution: B
Golden Rule: B (Gil was A. I think the most successful pirate would have B with his shitload of treasure)

Noble Phantasm
Rank: B
Anti-Army
-Queen Anne's Revenge
Summons Blackbeard's infamous flagship, armed with 40 guns. If summoned on land, it can do no more than fire it's guns. However, on a body of water, it's power increases by one rank, and acts as a mobile fortress.


He's really a shitty servant. But who cares, it's Blackbeard.

Did someone say dragon slaying?

>>3426960

Yes, Lancelot is hardcore.

However, he has a Master who has penis worms for blood and the mana capacity of a bowl of noodles. If the noodles were made of penis worms.

>>3426949
Is it possible he could have a NP somewhat similar to Gate of Babylon? Nowhere on it's scale of course. But I think Blackbeard might've picked up a few weapons in his booty.
If not weapons, he shoots giant treasure chests.

>>3427046

Technically, anyone can have Gate of Babylon. It's just a tiny key-sword. The function of the treasury just depends on what the holder of the sword owns.

And if all of Gil's other possessions got handed off (except Ea) after he died, who's to say the little dagger didn't wind up in a chest somewhere?

Nasu logic AHOY!

>>3427059
AYE ME MATEY!

>>3427059
No, that's yours.

>>3427101

I'm saying my logic fits perfectly with Nasu's.

Every other weapon of legend was Gilgamesh's and damn near all of them got pawned off somewhere (maybe there was an unlucky spear or two who never saw the light again) so a tiny dagger could find its way somewhere too.

The description for Gate of Babylon ~ King's Treasury implies that anyone can use it, and it's not a Noble Phantasm unique to Gilgamesh.

Can't believe no one has suggested Genghis Khan yet. Also I'll put forward the Witch-King as a joke suggestion.

>>3427120

At the very beginning of this thread I tried statting out Genghis Khan, but I couldn't think of a Noble Phantasm for him so I stopped.

>>3427120
Cannot die of Injuries, unless you make him fall of His Horse.

>>3425713
Fuck yeah, Teddy.

>>3427124
Same here.
Anyone knows any special horse or even weapon for GK?

We just covering riders today?

Well there's the obvious choices of Ghengis Khan and Atilla the Hun.

I'd be tempted to go with Atilla as there's this interesting story where apparently the Pope had to bribe him not to sack Rome, but then spread the story that a pair of Archangels appeared and turned him away.
You could combine the two so that the Pope bribed Atilla with the services of the two Archangels, so that he has a noble phantasm where he can summon them both.

Also, don't forget that legendary animals and artifacts can become heroes as well.

Lu Bu would make a kick-ass Rider, well come to think of it Lu-Bu would make a kick-ass anything, he pretty much qualifies for almost all of the classes aside from Caster.

>>3425765
>Odin, anyone?

Odin may be a god, but was Sleipnir? If not then it's possible that you would be able summon it as a Rider class hero. Good luck getting it to let you ride it or even summoning it in the first place though.

>>3427146
he has a really fucking beastly looking bow

Has anyone mentioned Roland/Orlando yet?

He was one of the paladins of Charlemagne and had the sword Durandal. He also had a semi-famous horse and I'm also pretty sure there's a legend going about that he also had the Longinius as well.

Here's his wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland

If he's summoned as a rider, then I suppose his primary NP would be Veillantif his horse. But there isn't much to it other than being 'swift' and 'vigilant'.

My guess is he'd get Durandal and Longinius as his primary NP's, as well as the ability to summon Veillantif, who would be an B class steed.

Remind me, does Durandal already have a FS/N entry?

>>3427226
Yeah, Shirou and EMIYA use Durandal quite a few times.

Roland would definitely have that, and his horse. I've never heard anything about him having Longinus though.

>>3427178
If he has a famous horse, then he can be Rider. Otherwise he's an Archer.

>>3427164
>Antilla the Hun
Wasn't he the bad guy in Mulan? My image of Antilla will forever be that, along with his hawk.

>>3427258
Atilla just get's a bad press really. Something about him trying to sack the centre of the primary religion in Europe.

Also, after reading the lancer thread, wouldn't Sun Wukong make a better Rider than he would a lancer? I'm not really sure you could class his staff as a Spear type weapon. Whilst the ability to ride clouds is definately the sort of shit that you would see in Type-Moon.

Also, I remember reading his entry in wikipedia: the guy was fucking hardcore.

>>3427275
Yeah staffs, polearms, etc; they all count under Lancer.

>>3427299
Superior

>>3427283

I see. He'd still also be eligable for the Rider class though.
It's kind of hard to think up decent spearmen from history though.
The best one I can think up would be Dracula, which opens up a whole can of Nasuverse worms.

But getting back to rider: how about the Mary Celeste? The actual ship. I'm sure we can do something outstandingly wierd with it.

I'm talking JoJo's Bizarre Adventure weird here.

>>3427311
But they would be the Sasaki Kojiro type of servant.

Game over.

>>3427324

For the last time: NO GODS.

>>3427324

what were the requirements to be rider again?

>>3427349
Actually piloting shit instead of pulling a couple levers.

>>3427299
THAT IS A CATDOG, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT

>>3427356
So anybody from the Apollo 13 mission, right?

>>3427360
Yeah, great story.
'Go for a destination, fail and crash back'.

Pecos Bill
Class: Rider

Stats
Strength: B+
Endurance: A
Agility: B
Mana: D
Luck: D
Noble Phantasm: B

Class Skills
Riding: A+ (he rode a tornado from Texas to Death Valley, California)
Battle Continuation: Really good (not exactly sure what BC means, but if it's "doesn't quit a fight," Pecos Bill has it good.)
Magic Resistance: C (unaffected by a howling banshee)

Personal Skills
Golden Rule: D, maybe C (owned the most sucessful silver mine in America)

Noble Phantasm
Lasso ~ Inventor and Prototype
Rank: D-A
Anti-Unit
So long as Pecos Bill deems something as "ridable," he can ride it and use it as a mount. This skill is limited only by his imagination, as he has previously ridden and tamed things that should not be possible to do so.

Widowmaker
Rank: C
Anti-Unit
None who have ridden this horse have lived to tell the tale, save Pecos Bill himself. As far as non-magical horses go, this horse is one of the greatest as far as muscle and speed go.

>>3427364
A successful failure, nevertheless.

>>3427349
To be a mounted hero, and if Fate/Stay Zero is canon, from no later than a 100 years ago AT BEST.

I'm considering Archer to be a major blip caused by Rin miscasting the summoning and forcing the grail to use whatever catalyst it could find on her at the time.

It's possible that he get's special treatment because he's a Counter Guardian also.

>>3427374
As long as you enter the Throne, time means nothing.

>>3427364
Hey, they piloted it back. That's what matters here.

>>3427374
>and if Fate/Stay Zero is canon, from no later than a 100 years ago AT BEST.
Wait, what? What about Medusa and Hercules and Medea and Arturia and Hassan and all them others?

>>3427397
I think he meant no EARLIER.

>>3427397
>>3427400
But I don't know if this is true or not.
Regardless, doesn't matter. The servant is summoned 100 years from now. Problem solved.

>>3427365
>None who have ridden this horse have lived to tell the tale, save Pecos Bill himself.
Didn't he have a girlfriend who wanted to ride Widowmaker?

>>3427324

>>3427380

Yeah but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned that the current era is shit tier for grail heroes elsewhere too.

I think a large part of it is the Magic Association and the Church are heavily supressing the use and existence of magic and magic artifacts.
Whereas in the ancient age you have Perseus walking about with weapons personally donated to him by the gods, Rama being the avatar OF THE MOTHERFUCKING HINDU GOD OF PERFECTION, Dragons everywhere and the gods having sex with mortals (and just about everything else I'M LOOKING AT YOU ZEUS) and spawning half divine bastards everywhere.

I mean we can talk about more modern heroes as much as we like, but their never going to compare to Hercules, or King Arthur or Gilgamesh are they?

>>3427417
It's about the fact that NO heroes existed in teh current ages (except Archer fomr what we know), partly for teh reasons you mentioned..
So, nobody from the recent years entered the throne of heroes.
Different problem. If heroes existed, they'd be just as eligible.

>>3427407

Very possibly. It depends what Archers future was like, some sort of magic armageddon that results in the Association and the Church throwing their hands in the air and going "Fuck it: MAGIC KNIVES FOR EVERYONE!" would likely result in some high tier heroes for the grail again.

It's just that we don't get a caliber of hero in the current age that meets the Grail's obviously highly strict criteria.

>>3427408
Yeah... his first wife, Slue-foot Sue.
She begged Bill to let her ride Widowmaker just one time, and WM bucked her so hard she went flying through the sky. When she landed, her steel-hoop dress sprang her back up, and it just kept on going so long that she kept smacking her head into the moon. Bill realized that she was going to die of starvation if that kept up, so he was forced to shoot her out of mercy.
He loved her more than all of all his later wives put together.

>>3427429
The grail's criteria are surprisingly lax actually.
Make copies from the throne of heroes, and limit them through the filters of the classes.
And you even get Shit like Avenger, or two aspects of the same legend as one Servant. Grail borrows heroes, and uses classes for balancing issues.

Also, partly why everyone want's to see what Archer's life was exactly like.

>>3427439
>And you even get Shit like Avenger,

Remind me, is it still possible to summon a servant as an avenger class, or was that a one time deal?

>or two aspects of the same legend as one Servant.

Wait wut? Which one was that?

Shinji Ikari
Class: Rider

Stats
Strength: F
Endurance: D
Agility: F
Mana: F
Luck: D
Noble Phantasm: S

Class Skills
Riding: A+ (he can achieve synchronization levels over 100%)
Battle Continuation: Really bad
Magic Resistance: A+ (AT Field, nigga)

>>3427443
3D Grail war, by the Edelfelt sisters.
Avenger in F/HA recontrsucted it by making Sakura and Rin teh Sisters, and Saber&Saber Alter the Servant.

Have we done berserker yet? who would qualify?

>>3427446

So, one of the requisites for the Avenger class is that two of the other Magi happen to be sisters?

>>3427460
Err, no.
I explained to you the Combo summoning.
As for Avenger, the pre-requisite (one at least) is being an Antihero. Not a formal class(aka, was not designed to exist, rather came to be by the BRILLIANT idea of teh Einsberns to summon the absolute evil of humans)

>>3427452

The hero has to have gone insane at some point.

That's basically it.

Technically, I think Gil is in eligable for this, though it's hard to tell if this would be a waste of his abilities or not.

The guy did go and RIP AND TEAR some gods when they killed off Enkidu after all.

>>3427465
>As for Avenger, the pre-requisite (one at least) is being an Antihero.

So ironically, HF route Emiya would actually be eligable for this?
Enjoy your Mind of Steel End drooling retard Hero.

>>3427475
Of course not.
Brush up your dictionary and look up some things.

>>3427465
Actually, I think Avenger is ONLY for Angra Mainyu. No other servants can be Avenger. One time deal only.

>>3427466

Why does Hercules qualify?

>>3427495
...Have you ever read Heracles' myths?...

>>3427494
It's more that he is our ONLY example and Avenger was not designed in the system.
And now the Grail got dismantled.
So you do not know how far the rabbit hole goes.

>>3427497

I don't know much about him but I didn't think he had gone insane

>>3427505
He went insane alright.

>>3427505
Just read the F/SN status screen, will ya?

Achillies should work nicely.

He had, if I recall correctly, two immortal horses which pulled his chariot, and his Noble Phantasm would obviously be his absolute defense save for that spot on his heel.

Not sure what weapons, if any special ones, he had.

Perseus himself would also be Rider, and it would also be Pegasus.
Besides that, he's also got those other NPs.
Harpe, the mirror shield, the bag, the winged shoes, and i think a helmet?
He's got great NPs, but apparently he's just like Shinji. I don't think I could stand the guy.

>>3427523
Perseus never really used/ handled or approached Pegasus, just helped make it appear in the world.
Bellerephon is the one who tamed him and rode him.

>>3427527
I'm pretty sure he rode Pegasus to the shore to save Andromeda, and then the too flew away on it.

>>3427533
Classical myth, just the Sandals.
Pegasus riding is the reimagining.

This guy right here:
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/wittman.html

>>3427538
Could still make it work by having limited to no control of the creature once it's summoned.

Although, admittedly, that wouldn't make him much of a Rider.

>>3427546
If he is like Shinji, I can definitely see this happening.

>>3427374
She used the pendant as catalyst as she didn't have anything else. EMIYA got picked because he got a connection with her and the pendant.

>>3427452
>>3427466
There is no requirement, all you do is add a line to the summoning and poof the heroes in berserker mode. So better pick someone good at melee instead of a mage if you're summoning berserker.

>>3427583
It's not the sole requirement.
Everyone else having summoned the other classes is another issue.
And you can't make every random hero a berserker (classes serve as filters)

>>3427515
Achilles
Class: Rider
Sex: Male
Alignment: (Not entirely sure on what it should be. Perhaps Neutral Good?)

Stats
STR: A
CON: A+
AGI: B+
MGI: D
LCK: C
Noble Phantasm: A++

Skills:
Charisma: A
Battle Continuation: A
Superhuman Strength: B
(Divnity, Maybe? Not sure if it fits since he's a mortal.)

Noble Phantasms:

Achilles Armor- EX
This refers not to the armor he wears, but his total invincibility to any attack save a spot on his heel. He cannot be harmed by any attack made that does not hit him in that spot, and is therefore almost invincible.

Balius and Xanthus- A+
Two divine and immortal horses that pull his chariot into battle. These have unmatched speed and power.

Pedasos- B+
Achilles' third horse. While mortal, it is able to keep up with his two divine horses.


...That should be it. Other than that, did Achilles have any distinguishing weapons?

>>3427601
Achilles never rode prominently shit, in the Iliad at least.
In reimaginings, he had chariots, and a set of SUPER ARMOR by Hephaestus, and a normal topnotch sword.
Of course, outside of Iliad, he is also invincible bar the heel, so the armor is pointless.

>>3427601
He also had armour made by Hephasetus. Redundant, but he still has it.
Apart from that he used a short sword to fight.

>>3427605
I don't see Medusa riding shit.

In fact, riding seems irrelevant for riders.

>>3427605
Hmm. So he wouldn't make a good Rider, then?

I figured the fact that he has a chariot pulled by immortal horses might qualify him.

>>3427615
Medusa has Pegasus, which was a present from poseidonin various versions(others, she was preggo with him, in original spontaneously appeared).
Riding the first super horse is good enough.

>>3427617
In the Iliad, he represents the unstoppable fury of war.
In his every step and swing, he kills 15 men.
Anything But Berserker seems a waste.

Achilles is good enough to be a Rider.

'nuff said.

>>3427633
As I said, a waste.

>>3427627
I could see him being Berserker.

On the other hand, taking somebody that strong and making him a Berserker on top of being absolutely invincible would put shitloads of stress on the master, probably. Not to mention it'd be broken as all hell.

>>3427639
You don't have to give him everything that appeared in a legend/revision relating to him ever.

Oh, good.

Rider
Jeanne d'Arc

Stats:

Strength - D (C)
Endurance - C
Agility - D (C)
Magical Energy - B+
Luck - B

Noble Phantasms:

Fierbois - Untarnished Chapel Blade (C) (Anti-Personnel)

A sword which rallies for the charge. This is the sword which the maiden wielded. It can cause no harm to a living foe, as the maiden swore to never take a life. Against those who have already died, it is like anathema to touch it.

Its light is not a thing of destruction, like the supreme noble sword, but one that empowers the wielder. Strength and Agility are increased in the charge, and the sword becomes even more effective against spiritual and magical phenomena. Can never harm a living soul. Not a supremely strong noble phantasm, but rather one intended to be used repeatedly.

"Jhesus-Maria" - Eternal Standard of the Maiden (A+) (Anti-Army)

Those pledged to the maiden answered her rally in the field of battle. A symbol beyond all others, it alone inspired glory of allies and derision by enemies, all because of one girl inspired by God.

In its passive state, those sworn to the maiden will act in combat erratically, appearing as wraith-like attacks against opponents and in acts of defense for Joan.

When invoked, it calls back all those who swore for and against it, bending time to return to the battlefield again. In this fierce melee, there is no friend, and everything may attack you. The attackers are not on the level of heroic spirits, but they, as spirits, can affect spiritual bodies, and there are so many of them. The maiden, alone, rides through nearly uncontested.

>>3427661
She fits Saber much more. As Saber she'll have the Riding skill anyway. Jean doesn't have a NP horse as far as I know.

>>3427661
Personally, I think Jeanne makes a better Saber than a Rider.

Still awesome, though.

Paul Revere--weakest Rider Ever.

Magic Resistance (C)
* (She had divinely inspired protection, and still lived in a time of relative belief in the existence of magical things. Against all heresy.)

Riding (B)
* (Caveat that her Strength and Agility only reach rank C when mounted. The maiden is at risk on foot)

Charisma (A)
* (She's basically Gilgamesh, if you made Gilgamesh a half-crazed, crusading Christian warmaiden, got him to inspire the French army to annihilate everything in their path, and unleashed him against your enemies. Is still human, so can't be greater.)

Battle Continuation (B)
* (She doesn't even hesitate due to incidental wounds, but near-fatal ones will put her down. Has the stamina to keep going, regardless of fight duration.)

Purity of Mind and Purpose (A)
A state of existence in which one cannot commit an action against ones beliefs, even under the influence of outside interference. Refuses distraction and corruption.

Iron Man (Anthony Stark)
Class: Rider
Gender: Male
Alignment: Neutral Good

Stats
Strength: B
Endurance: A
Agility: A+
Magical Energy: E
Luck: C
Noble Phantasm: A+


Skills
Riding: A

Instinct: A
By having his computer's OS merge with his nervous system Anthony Stark's thought processing power improved to a whole other level and his abillity to apprehend his surroundings increased to such a degree were it almost functioned as some kind of sixth sense not far from precognition.
According to real Marvel cannon, this abillity of his was almost on par with Spiderman's spider senses

Magic Resistance: B
As Anthony Stark encountered more and more people capable of the feats of magic he eventually adapted his armor making it capable to resist and withstand such forces.

>>3427721
Noble Phantasms
Techno Virus: A
Anthony Stark formerly didn't have any special powers, but after being critically injured during a battle once, Stark injected his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus to save his own life. This fused Stark's armor to his body, allowing him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers throughout the world.

The Iron Man Armors: A+
Anthony Stark's greatest achievements, the Iron Man Armor and its many different versions. The Iron Man Armor, while being nearly indestructible, capable of underwater/space travel and being equipped with high level missiles, lasor equippment and other various weapons, it also gives Anthony Stark super human strength and the abillity to move and fly at mach speed and above.
Thanks to the techno-Virus Anthony Stark is able to store his many different Armors inside of his body and freely change Armor as needed. The many hundreds different Iron Man Armors all have unique abillities, gimmicks and weapons such as high level of automized self-repair and organic healing, invisibility and mana absorbtion and release just to name a few.

>>3427690
She doesn't have the appropriate stats, in my mind. She was not a fighter. She was a leader. Her ability as a fighter consisted of breaking the enemy's will to fight. She should be mounted at all times, as such, thereby giving her an advantage a normal girl who has taken up the mantle of being France's salvation would not have otherwise.

Fits Rider better. Saber requires Strength and Agility, plus Magic Resistance, that Jeanne wouldn't have, in addition to fighting ability.

>>3427661
Her NPs are weak. Too much supportan, not enough laser spamman

>>3427721
>>As Anthony Stark encountered more and more people capable of the feats of magic he eventually adapted his armor making it capable to resist and withstand such forces.


This is bullshit. Agree with everything else.

>>3427729
You have to admit, though, she didn't ride anything legendary. For a noble phantasm, her sword is really all she has going, and that makes her lean more towards Saber than Rider.

>>3427721
>>3427727
A prominent example of keeping your identity hidden, lest be taken advantage of.

>>3427751
One of his Arch-villains is the fucking Mandarin with 10 magical rings.

ahahahaha

So would Athuria Saber be immune to the sword of Jean d'Arc?

Hell, doesn't that mean a master can just rush her head first and try to defeat her?

I'd like to see a fight her and Shirou.

>>3427751
While real magic isn't the most common thing in the Marvel universe, it does still exist, and so does Aliens, Spirits, and different kinds of Gods.

Claus Philipp Maria Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg
Sex: every night

Stats
Strength: B
Endurance: A
Agility: C
Mana: C
Luck: D
Charisma: EX
Noble Phantasm: A

NP: Operation Valkyrie
His conspirators appear and assault the enemy master. This attack cannot be stopped by magical barriers or defenses. The target needs high luck to escape with his life. Only works on masters and has no effect on servants. The attack can be stopped by killing or disabling all the conspirators. The attack has a greater chance of success the longer the conspirators are alive.

NP: Afrika Corps
Allows him to survive any attack of any strength, but with heavy wounds and possible stat degradation, depending on the strength of the attack. Can only be used once.

the only suitable rider i could think of is Genghis Khan

>>3427777
She wouldn't be the strongest Servant, that's for sure.

But, she's really more suited to leadership roles. I could see her convincing one or two other Masters to cooperate with her and leading them into battle.

Not to mention, a sword that's ultra effective against spirits and the like would probably have some serious potential against Servants.

>>3427790
>Genghis Khan
>rider

For the love of god, fund it.

>>3427799

So... Arthuria is the King of Knights.
Gilgamesh is the King of Heroes.
Genghis Khan is the King of Kings.

>>3427811
Khan is the King of Nothing, really, just kept moving around.

>>3427811
The reason Gilgamesh wasn't given the title "King of Kings" was because Jesus is the "King of Kings".
If Gilgamesh can't be it because of that reason then Genghis Khan can't either.

>>3427847
>Jesus is the "King of Kings".
Well, or the "Messiah" in general.

>>3427847
>>3427852
Gil predates Jesus, not to mention other Messiahs.
The reason they did not call him King of Kings is primarily cause it is retarded.

>>3427811
Personally, these are the kings I have in mind for each class.
Saber (Arturia): King of Knights
Archer (Gil): King of Heroes
Lancer (Leonidas): King of Warriors
Rider (Alex): King of Conquerors
Caster (Solomon): King of Wisdom

If there was a Hassan who was also a King, then he'd be Assassin.
As for Berserker...beats me.

>>3427875
Leonidas is not the only King ever standing in battle and kicking ass( and it was never part of EPIC PROPORTIONS)
Calling him King of Warriors is kinda hyperbole.
The combatant Kings in Iliad are a clearer example.

>>3427860
>Gil predates Jesus, not to mention other Messiahs.
I know, but I was more impying to the fact why Nasu didn't give him the title when he wrote the story.

>The reason they did not call him King of Kings is primarily cause it is retarded.

Why? Gil really was the highest king in a kingdom that actually had other kings.

>>3427888
Especially since he lost. People keep forgetting that.

>>3427892
Cause if you are king, you do not reign over KINGS or have adjutant Kings.
KING OF KINGS is bad, in logic and aesthetics.

>>3427888
But it's Leonidas.

>>3427895
To be fair, he could never win.
He stayed behind to stall them. Also, people forget the 700 Thespiois that stayed.
>>3427903
300 has kinda wowed you.

>>3427910
I've known of the awesome Leonidas far before 300

>>3427895
Arthur lost his last battle, too. Cuchulain was tricked into killing himself. Medusa lost against a mere human with a few godly implements. Didn't Archer/Emiya end his life on a failure note? Medea was tricked into failing at everything by a mere mortal.

Winning doesn't seem to matter.

>>3427924
Yeah, you are supposed to kick fate in the balls at least once in your life to earn your place in the Throne, it doesn't matter how much you fail afterwards. You could probably summon Rincewind as a Caster.

>>3427924
Except it's the only known recorded battle (outside of the Panhellenic army campaigns where he prolly participated along with everyone else) where he is mentioned.

>>3427944
All right. Medusa existed for however long, killing people at random, before its only recorded battle wherein it was killed. Medea didn't even have any fights, she just helped a guy and got screwed over when he left.

>>3427937
Exactly my point.

>>3427902
>Cause if you are king, you do not reign over KINGS
You could, there is nothing that says that it can't be that way and still be a monarchy. It have not been all that uncommon for kings to make other empires and kings their vessels. As their vessels they were still kings and was allowed to rule their country as before, as long as they always followed the words of the main capitalof the kingdom.

>or have adjutant Kings.
That really depends on the kingdom. Gilgamesh's kingdom most likely was combined with lots of smaller vassal kingdoms.

Just because a king is a ruler himself doesn't mean that another person can't rule over him.

>>3427937

I wonder if one could summon Death.

Their death, of course. The chap with the horse named Bink[it is a NICE name]and the blue, glowing eyes. Had a 'prentice boy called Mort.

>>3427966

*binky

woah there. can't be leaving letters out my words

>>3427964
They are not called KINGS anymore.
King expands his territory.
And it still sounds plainly stupid

>>3427746
She's fucking Jeanne d'Arc. She doesn't do beamspam.

>>3427763
Whatever she rides counts as a mount. Jeanne d'Arc is the kind of leader that would have their mount killed, then immediately commandeer another and ride off to fight some more.

>>3427777
She's anti-Servant. Also, Jhesus-Maria is capable of causing massive havoc and death for masters caught up in it. Her followers are not bound by the "no killing" policy.

>>3427796
My point exactly. The whole thing is that Jeanne is terrible on her own, as the maiden should be, but with her support and a good master, could easily engage servants. Given her alignment, support skill, and such, she's basically a wannabe holy knight with banish that will never abandon you... as long as you don't start wanting to kill kittens or besmirch the name of God. Incorruptible.

>>3427962
Actually, Medusa killed far too many human heroes/armies who sought her out before Perseus managed to do it.
And you try to ride on technicalities, really.

>>3427975
Even so, I don't think she should be Rider. She's a weak Saber. That's all to it. Too bad for you if you summon her.

>>3427972
>They are not called KINGS anymore.
But you are wrong, vassaled kingdoms are very much so their own kingdom, it is just that they share borders with both the other kingdom.

If Kingdom A would be stronger than Kingdom B and if it had Kingdom B as its vassal, then Kingdom A would share its borders with Kingdom B and Kingdom B would share its borders with Kingdom A.
A part of Kingdom A's recources would go to Kingdom B and most of Kingdom B's recources would go to Kingdom A.
Kingdom B would still have freedom and would be allowed to rule however they wan't as long as it wouldn't be a bother to Kingdom A.
Kingdom B would even be allowed to vague war and expand its terretory as long Kingdom A wouldn't have a special reason to intervene..

>King expands his territory.
What? Are you implying that would be some kind of requirement? Sure a King who never expanded the terretory wouldn't be that much of a king but he would still be a King none the less.

>And it still sounds plainly stupid.
That is completely arguable but a King can rule over other Kings who would still be Kings in way were one King would actually be a King over another King.
It might sound stupid to you but that is the way it works.

>>3427978
I try to ride on technicalities? I'm not the one saying Leonidas couldn't be summoned as a servant because he lost the major battle people know about (which, by the way, is hardly a rare occurrence among the servants we've seen).

>>3427972
Actually, you can have kings ruling over other kings. Until the Hundred Years' War, the King of England was a vassal of the King of France.

>>3428034
>a King can rule over other Kings who would still be Kings in way were one King would actually be a King over another King.

wait, what? You lost me there.

>>3427975
Maybe if you gave her Gil-esque charisma, so she'd be better able to convince other masters/servants to help her.

>>3428040
If King A orders Kings B, C, and D around, they're still Kings in name, but their territory is part of King A's territory. So King A is a king of kings.

Did the Vikings ever have any kings? Because a Viking King would make a good Berserker.

>>3428040
sup dawg we herd u liek kings so we kinged your king so he can rule while he rules

>>3428025
I disagree. And she's only weak if you expect to use her like Arturia. Plan up a bit, try and keep her from rushing headlong to engage the enemy in religious fervor, and surprise the enemy with her noble phantasms.

Magic Resistance + Fierbois = Good Magic Defense
Riding Bonus + Fierbois + Jhesus-Maria passive = Decent-to-good Attack
Jhesus-Maria passive = Surprise Defense Save

Pressure with Jeanne, hope the master joins in, then pop Jhesus-Maria. In the ensuing hilarious confusion, rush the master and kill him, or hope the master gets killed by random French ghost.

Just find out who has an instant kill, and then try to prevent them from using it or let them get killed by someone else.

Theoretically speaking, of course. The whole point of my theoretical grail war was that Jeanne was actually pretty low-tier overall, but had the capacity to stand up against the uber Caster of the war (Solomon) and defeat him, making herself pretty much "do not want to fight" for the rest. Then, Jeanne rests for a bit and you plan out what to do.

>>3428063
What I mean by weak is that she isn't good at fighting as you said. She's a leader.
But she has nothing going on her to be a Rider. You must have that NP horse/chariot/whatever to be Rider, or very good Riding skills. Basically, it feels like you're saying if someone is on a horse or chariot that means they're leaders.
She's Saber. She may not be great with fighting, but she's nonetheless Saber.

>>3428045
My grail war, other servants:

Assassin - Hashashin (takes the form/personality of a prostitute, and ability is to effectively mirror the existence of what it observes/eats)
Lancer - Achilleus ("LOLOLOL, NON-GREEKS AND WOMEN. I AM SUPER AWESOME GUY." Good luck.)
Caster - Solomon (obviously, the guy is summoning demons using his ring of contract. Jeanne isn't going to be happy with HERESY)
Archer - Arjuna (might work, probably not)
Berserker - Beowulf (haha)
Saber - Miyamoto Musashi (the most willing to listen to reason, I guess)

>>3428056
>Did the Vikings ever have any kings?
Sure they did, they had plenty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fj%C3%B6lnir
Fjölnir was an old demi-god king fetured in mythology.
The spear was very commonly used by vikings and they also played their part in some rituals and so on.
Fjölnir would probably be a great Lancer.

>>3428050
The titles are supposed to mean something. King of Knights commanded some of the greatest knights ever, King of Conquerors conquered the known world, King of Heroes is humanity's first hero. A king ruled over by another King isn't that great of a king, King of Kings is a pretty pathetic title.

What about the King of Gets?

>>3428099
She can't be a Saber specifically because she lacks the attributes to be one. Rider is a reserved slot for those that were known for their prowess in riding, and, seemingly by proxy, military command. Jeanne d'Arc was usually mounted, rallying her troops with her peculiar standard.

My point is that Jeanne gets a special mount consideration in that any mount she rides is automatically considered legendary by shared inspiration as God's chosen tool of deliverance. Sort of like Lancelot's "by association" noble phantasms. Anything she rides will automatically become "the mount of the maiden."

>>3427799
My first try in this thing. I think he is a bit incomplete. Feel free to add/modify him.

Rider
Genghis Khan
Sex: Male
Alignment: Chaotic Nuetral

Stats
Strength - C
Endurance - A
Agility - B
Magical Energy - C
Luck - C

Skills:
Charisma: A+
Riding: B
Battle Continuation: C+

Noble Phantasm
Archer Cavalry
Rank B-
Anti-unit
Summons several avatars of his glorious army, where they will hide in darkness and distance, attempting to take out the unsuspecting target

The golden horde
Rank A-
Anti-Fortress
Summons his finest horsemen in his ranks, where they will charge with their Khan.
They will eliminate those who stand on their path and destroy them thourghly. Their charge will illuminate the skies with bright gold colours and the sounds of charging horses.

>>3428111
She has a holy sword. She was a holy knight that led an army.

Exactly what other requirements does one need to be Saber?

What you're saying is that one can only be in a class if they're fit to be in it. If that's the case, Avenger wouldn't have been fucking useless when he was summoned. She might be weaker than most other Saber canidates, but that doesn't exclude her from being Saber.

>>3428111
>she lacks the attributes to be one

Alexander also had AGI beyond the rank necessity and it did nothing.

>>3428112
For skills, he'd definately have the following.

A fairly high rank in Battle Continuation.
A fairly high rank in Riding.
And... that's really about all I can think of.

>>3428134
The classes have requirements. Saber has a strength/agility (I think agility) as well as Mana requirement. Assassin has the "must be Hashashin" one. Berserker requires that the person have been insane at some point in their life. Rider requires, ostensibly, some affiliation with riding.

Archer is normally reserved for those with multiple noble phantasms operating at range. Lancer is actually any fighter that operates at mid range, not necessarily with a lance alone, and is agile. Caster requires magical usage.

Avenger is a fake class that summoned a normal human who was called "all evils of the world." It's a fucked up glitch that shouldn't have even existed.

>>3428111
Ok, I get you. Make that her NP as well then. Whatever she mounts becomes divine and on the level of a phantasmal beast (that's rank A I believe).

This makes more sense than her summoning ghosts. If she can do that, then Arturia should be able to summon all the Knights of the Round, and Gil can summon Enkidu, and every Servant who's ever had a really close bond with someone would be able to summon them.
You get what I'm saying?
Yes, they were faithful to the religion. But that's to the religion, not to Jean. Only one so faithful to her is Gille de Rais.

>>3428146
The tricky part is naming his noble phantasm because he doesn't have really a lot of notable skills/weapons. So, I tried using his army as a basis for his noble phantasm

>>3428154
Actually, I was considering making it a function of Purity. And those who followed her were pledged to God and the maid of Orleans.

Her NP is the ability to recall that pledge. Less ghosts... more like stuck in time. Those who followed her, and won so many times, and were betrayed... cannot let go of the struggle. Those who fought against her, their hatred kept bound in the same way.

They all served God, according to their beliefs, but Jeanne was what bound them. Extreme charisma on Iskander-like levels.

And Iskander did what you said. He called forth his own elite as mini-eirei. They were immortalized along with him, but so too were the French armies at Jeanne's behest.

And those called by Jhesus-Maria are not as powerful as those in the reality marble created by Iskander.

>>3428112
Why is he able to summon soldiers?
People, really, you're making every single person who's had an army able to summon them just because Alex could. Stop it.

>A king ruled over by another King isn't that great of a king, King of Kings is a pretty pathetic title.
>A king ruled over by another King
>ruled over by another
I belive you made a flaw here and of course that would make a pathetic since it should be the other way around.
>King of Kings is a pretty pathetic title.
That title becomes far more extraordinary when the kingdom was more or less the whole world covering around 95% of the populated world.
Gilgamesh was basically the king of the world when he ruled.

>King of Heroes is humanity's first hero
Being humanity's first hero generally makes you a herom not a king of other heroes.
But since Gilgamesh could have lots of different title's really, because of how "great" his kingdom was.

And regarding being the "first" kind of thing. While Gilgamesh actually expanded the kingdom and was among the greater ones of the rulers of his kingdom, he had tons of relatives who ruled before him. One different special thing with Gilgamesh though was the fact that he was the first demi-god in the hierarchy as opposed as full gods as the ones before him.
But gods can't be servants now, can they.
Gilgamesh became more famous than his relatives though, mostly because of how he stood up against other gods and so on, but still.

>>3428151

I wonder, if someone was a master captain, like Blackbeard or something, would they be considered Rider class, because they "Ride" their ships?

>>3428151
Where exactly do these requirements come from? Is there a list I should be referencing?

>>3428190
Fuck yes, they are.

>>3428190
See
>>3426949
>>3427046

>>3428186

here
>>3428162

>>3428190
If that's the case...

Jean Luc Picard.
Class: Rider

>>3428194
Pretty sure it was off fuyuki or some as-yet untranslated side material. I might be wrong, but I've seen it discussed pretty often in these threads.

I'm 100% sure about Saber (stat/mana requirement), Berserker (mad enhance), and Assassin (Hashashin only) requirements. I think Archer (multiple NPs), Lancer (twitch raiding style fighting), and Rider (riding requirement) are just what tends to happen in the wars.

The Flying General. Lu Bu of Men, Red Hare of Horses. By far he's one of the top horseman (also a good Lancer/Archer and maybe Berserker, but he's more fearsome as a Rider on his Red Hare).

His NP would definitely include his Fāngtiān Huàjǐ (Sky Piercer halberd) and his Red Hare

Do not fucking pursue.

>>3428206
Alex can do it cause of the bond, etc. with his men. From what I remember, Genghis Kahn wasn't a freindly guy who would have any bond.
White Ren bases Jeanne's summoning because of religion. Fine, I guess. I didn't read/learn anything on her except for wiki, so I don't know how strong her bonds are.
But as I said, you can't make every single person who had an army summon them.

As for Genghis Kahn, I think he'd be more Archer, as from what I know he had a beastly bow. He'd just have Riding Skill as a personal skill.

So are
Achilles
Ironman
and
Fjölnir
The only Lancer servants we have came up with who would actually stand a chance against other Servants?

>>3428228
As I've already said, it's less an army of fighters, like in Iskander's case, and more like the summoning of the fierce melee of battle itself, as if you're simply repositioning the fight into an ongoing conflict. Obviously, Jeanne's closest comrades would aid her, but everyone else is busy fighting each other.

The Monkey King. He's hella strong.

>>3428228

He had a strong bond with his waifu, he even tracked her down after she was captured and raised the rape child as if it were his own. But his troops were probably loyal because they knew he'd kill the shit out of them if they betrayed him.

>>3428228
ic ic point taken. The reason i saw army summoning was useful for him because he was good at organizing his army. I guess i missed out bondship

>>3428236
Ohhhhh.
Sorry man, I'm just envisioning what you're trying to say.
Let me just make sure...The ghosts from her battle appear, both friend and foe. They're busy fighting each other, but anyone alive (as in the enemy servant and master, and Jeanne's master) can get caught in the crossfire and be killed. That it?

>>3428218
One of his skills would be "Unpursueable: EX+"

Which means, if he doesn't want to be caught, he can't be unless the opponent has a legend more powerful than his legend.

And even then, if the opponent had less AGI, Lu Bu could still escape just based on that.

>>3428243
Well like I said before, Alex is special with the bond thing. If everyone could do it, that means Gil could summon Enkidu, etc.
Not that GK summoning his wife would do any good for battle.

>>3428232
why not hector

>>3427875
There must of been a King of Shadows, for the Hassan.

A Hassan who specialized in manipulation of shadows on such a grand scale it became legendary, that he struck fear into the people of his land that there shadows would reach out and kill them if they spoke ill of him.

>>3428273
What about the King of Assassins, the Old Man who initiated and ran Alamut and had a bunch of people carve out their own faces to become his successors?

>>3428281
That too would work.

>>3428281
You mean the first and original Hassan? Sure. If Gil is called King of Heroes because he's the first one, I should think the first Assassin can be called King too.

>>3428266
I guess the reason why he cant summon Enkindu was because when Gil was dying, Enkindu was already dead. So in hi mind, he cannot summon him because his mind was fixed that Enkindu was dead and cannot be revived

>>3428251
Yes, basically.

Imagine your surprise, when a bunch of guys with French blood appear in a *voip* and begin killing each other.

Then, a particularly wretched-smelling man attempts to club you with a mace. While another hacks at you with a sword.

Even if you're Mr. Gigglemesh or motherfucking Hercules, you're going to be pissed off, at least.

>>3428218
As we all know, Lu Bu fought Guan Yu, Liu Bei, and Zhang Fei at the same time and only had to retreat since he was tired out. If we look at Guan Yu alone, he later passed 5 check points and slain 6 generals of Cao Cao, so the true strength of Lu Bu cannot be underestimated when he can tie with Guan Yu and his two sworn brothers at the same time.

>>3428309
If I remember right, Jeanne lost, right? And was then burned on the stake. So, this NP "haunts" her.
She personally rather not use it, but will if she must as a last resort. Her Bravery also goes down one rank.

>>3428354
Indeed. And Guan Yu is a point to mention in his own right, what with having been elevated to divine status in several places.

The only time Fengxian was slain was when he pissed off his men enough that, when he next got shitfaced drink, they hogtied him and threw his weapon out the windos.

I think I remember something about him killing one or two of his captors in the process anyway, but I could be mistaken.

Too bady LB went out like a bitch, though.

Noah.
Rider of the ark.

NP: Great Deluge - A reality marble type that creates a mist that gradually suffocates(drowns) whatever is in the area.

NP: Ark - Allows summoning of any creature ever to exist. Anything large enough can be ridden and the Ark itself

NP: Curse of Ham - Allows for the summoning of a servant/human as a subordinate slave.

I don't know enough about nasuverse to give stats, but I'd guess
Riding: B or A, since he should be able to ride anything he cared for.
Luck: A, Since he was one of the few humans chosen to survive.

You guys are far too eager to give RMs.

>>3428365
Myth says she lost because she was betrayed by nobles.

Her reluctance to use it is the framework of her naive, incorruptible faith vs. the reality of what happened. So you have to make her understand that, in the end, she did what she believed was right, and that failing doesn't mean it was all worthless.

>>3428408
Noah wouldn't summon the deluge. He hated that thing.

I certainly like your idea of summoning animals. But it's useless against Servants unless phantasmal beasts are included, which they aern't.

Noah wouldn't summon someone to make a slave. You know what Ham's curse is? It's basically a slap in the face and making the deluge totally pointless. Deluge was to kill all those who had sin. Ham seeing Noah naked brought back the sin.
The NP if anything would be Noah stripping and that makes the person cursed in some way.

>>3428468
I've been preaching this man.
>>3428482
Yeah, it makes sense. I don't remember what you named it, but perhaps give it some kind of scary haunting name. Whatever nightmare is in French, etc.

>>3428524
The name is right. It's not a nightmare to anyone but her. Those who immortalized her, the banner, and the conflict think highly of it. To the world and humanity, her struggle was worthwhile and an embodiment of human virtue, thus elevating her to heroic status as the maiden who did miraculous things.

Just because Jeanne feels conflicted doesn't make it a horrible thing.

>>3428502
Well the animals would be the theoretical originators of all other animals that descended from them, so that should be worth a rank up or something. Legendary ancestors of animals or whatever.

>>3428255
>EX+
EX-rank means "unmeasurable powerful/divine." It is beyond any true measurement, so you are basically ranking that ability as "infinity plus." There would be no greater legends to overcome it in the first place.

>>3428561
still, she makes a much better saber

>>3428564
Yeah I suppose.

>>3428624
But she was a pretty bad swordsman. She's only good for using her decent sword to throw the enemy off of her and make them cower in fear. Can't kill people, either.

>>3428502
>unless phantasmal beasts are included, which they aern't

Now, how can you know that?
Noah probably had dinosaurs and shit on the Ark, and if we were to say that phantasmal beasts have existed at all, then he would probably have those on his Ark as well.

Then if one would wan't then I guess that one would make Noah able to summon Leviathan, Behemoth and Ziz.
Now those 3 are quite special and the myths regarding them are actually a bit seperated from the same religion/myth tree as Noah but if Noah would be able to summon them as well then his Noble phantasm would be A++ by far.

>>3428689
You best be trolling.

>>3428689
No.

>>3427046
>>3427059
I've come up with Blackbeard's somewhat version of GoB.

He's buried treasure all over the place, and doesn't remember exactly what is what. For his NP, he opens a treasure chest and what's inside is one of his random treasures.
It could be just gold and jewels, which is useless for battle.
But it can be magic charms, amulets, etc. and even NPs he's gathered, ranking from E-A.
Sad thing is, he doesn't know how to properly fight with them. He'll know the NP's abilities, since that's like "engraved" into every NP. But for example, a lance, he won't know how to properly use.

>>3428793
Haha, I can see that happen.

The man in his tattered coat reaches behind him. The world shifts, connecting him to a place even he doesn't remember. Reaching in, he grabs a hold of what is inside. This is the Noble Phantasm of the man who was once feared as the greatest scourge of the sea. The man who buried over a thousand treasures of varying value and power, and forgot where they were. The man once known as Blackbeard.

"X Marks the Spot."

-Hidden Treasure: Blackbeard's Booty
Rank: E-A
Blackbeard is infamous for plundering an pillaging legendary amounts of treasure. Gold, jewels and many other valuables, including magic artifacts, weapons and armour - even on the level of Noble Phantasms.
A treasure chest is summoned and within is a random portion/item of Blackbeard's treasure.
Can only be used every 100 turns (No idea what a 'turn' is, but whatever).