/jp/ - Otaku Culture

So how does the carpentry and tailoring skills work on pets?
I have it on my pet, it does have the skills and it's on soul mate, but it doesn't make anything even when it does make me breakfast

Planning on going a necromancer run. Would backing it up with the talk things to death spacts be good?

My first completion run was Juere with no magic, sword only, and like 6 random pets. Now I want to go through fiddling with the least equipment possible.

How do I edit the things pets say? I forgot what file the pet chatter is in, and I don't know how to change what they say

>>34295281
How to the user folder and then talk.

>>34295306
>How
go

>>34295306
>>34295321
That's just one file, so do I have to write a different file for each pet? How do I assign a file to a pet? Sorry, I have never done this before

>>34295386
make a duplicate of the sample file and then write your own dialogue in that duplicate.

>>34295386
Oooooh I see, you have to [i] to interact with the pet, and then select "change tone" and then choose which tone file to use

>>34295469
I know some pets already have their own unique voice lines, is there a way to check what they are so I can make my custom tone chatter in character?

>>34295528
Not that I know of.

>>34295181
You can't make your spooks talk, so no. They wouldn't help you talk stuff to death and you wouldn't help them kill stuff to death.

>>34296296
That's what Intimidation is for, but I don't know how consistent it would be.

How does Obstinate work when the pet reaches negative HP without dying like when it uses Absolute protect? Does it stay at the same values it has with 0 HP?

>>34299263
I think obstinate and brave max out at 5%

>>34295528
A lot of voice lines will only show up if you're playing in Japanese.
You can read through the source and put the voice lines into a translator to get a general idea what the pet is saying.

Pets with english voice lines tend to be unique NPCs

>>34296296
I wasn't planning on having the spooks talk.
I dropped off playing before the empathy spacts got added, and all I know about them is supposedly ano hasn't balance nerfed it.

Saw someone post their solo character just talk everything in acts 2 and 3 to submission without having a single actual "kill" of a boss.

How viable is a PC with no-spellcasting feat in oomsest?

>>34298811
Talking itself is already OP for most of the game, so it would work consistently. But even with Intimidation it would be worse than focusing exclusively on either talking or damage.

Has anyone played Shiren the Wanderer? I just got it for PC and I'm quite fond of the player character sprite and his ferret
I tried searching online but couldn't find their sprites, does anyone know how to rip them from a game? You can even move diagonally in-game so the images should all be in the game's files somewhere

>>34303361
Standard talk mode party tends to be PC using Peculiar Joke, while pets use persuasion or occasionally joke too.
Peculiar Joke is 2x damage to targets below 50% gauge (this is going to be pretty much everything), and you typically use it as an opener.
Persuasion does 2x when the target is below 50% stamina to 5x on a target that's below 20%. Since the whole point of talk actions is to lower stamina, it's universally applicable, and works best on pets since they tend to start attacking after you. Overall the multiplier averages out to about 2.28x, but if you have yourself and faster pets using joke as an opener, maybe 3x is a more generous estimate.

Intimidation is 2x on targets below 90% health, and gains 1x every other 10% missing, up to 10x on targets below 10% health. I haven't done too much testing on how viable hybrid parties are, but I've certainly seen it put work in.

>>34305735
The way I see it is, if you're doing more than 50% HP damage by the time the target surrenders, then rather than Intimidation, you'd have been better off doubling up on damage and just finishing the job. If you do 40-50% HP damage by the time the target surrenders, then Intimidation is only getting x5, and that's only at the very end of the target's lifespan, much like how Persuasion gets x5 at the end of the target's lifespan. If Intimidation doesn't do better than Persuasion, then all that damage was for nothing, and even if it does do a little better than Persuasion, if instead of doing damage to pump Intimidation you just had another pet using Persuasion, you'd have won sooner. Of course, that's not an option for necromancy at all, but that's what makes it a subpar combination in my view.

Is anyone planning on creating the guild for when Elona Mobile opens up on the 20th?

>>34305334
There are half a dozen different Shiren games, y'know. The original one was on the Super Famicom back in the day, but there have been many ports/remakes.
Anyway, to answer your question: for whatever reason, it seems like nobody has ever dumped the sprites from any Shiren game, aside from a couple of background images. I'm kind of surprised someone hasn't used a rom hacking tool to get the sprites from the SNES version; can't be THAT hard...

>>34303048
The standard backup for necromancy is attack rods, since Dupli-cane gives Alchemy XP. I imagine you'd use magic laser for everything, although bubble ball+lightning ball is an interesting idea.

>>34306326
How about you do it?
Speaking of mobile, have they speed up the game? also how hard is it to hit level 15 there?

>>34312429
It's part of the tutorial to either create or join a guild, was just wondering if anyone was gonna organize one for people from /jp/ or anywhere else from here.

Finally unlocked my first god pet in OOMSEST.
However the wiki for is rather barren, can anyone tell me what special function Danalin's pets have?
If it even has any.

>>34314474
IIRC it moves faster in water.

>>34315545
>>34314474
Oh, it is. The wiki has it listed on it's gift entry: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Danalin_of_Water

Could stand to be added to the npc entry to,, but oh well.

>>34315553
Ah, thanks. Didn't think to check the god page for that.
Hopefully the pet starts putting in some more serious work once I get the gem stone then. Since currently mine hits like a wet noodle compared to the little girl starter pet.

>look to see if there's a tanuki monster
>localized as "badger"

Like the capybara localized as "rat" despite actual rats already being a thing.

First timer here playing Elona+
What perks do you lads normally pick up as you play? I've got 1 "feat" point and looking through the list nothing looks particularly useful at this point. It feels like you can get the important ones really quickly, I'm not even level 20 yet.
I already have:
>dimensional move
>exorcist
>strings assassin (this shit is so cool)
>knockout
>kokou

There's some interesting stuff but still a little bit disappointed at the lack of selection and the flat stat boosts all seem pretty tiny except for speed because I have a hard time increasing that since I'm in very early game

>>34322853
You're right on about the flat boosts. Even speed is easy to increase with picnic baskets, herbs, and later AP. Get Empathy or Knowledge of magical plants right away, they both unlock screenwide nukes. As a general rule of thumb, any feat that unlocks an spact is useful in some way.

I think you could take out half of the recipes from pot of fusion and nobody would notice

Where's the music folder? I'm trying to change some music.

Can I try really hard to make my ghost pet as good as one of the stronger options or is it just going to end in failure?

>>34328382
You'll be fine.

>>34314474
Does OOMSEST have pet evolution or anything similar? Seeing pets change form was one of my favorite things in E+.

>>34328502
Just get a zombie and watch it turn others into zombies and stomp the dungeons,as long as the original zombie doesnt die before it can kill something of course

>>34328382
With enough grind, any pet can become as strong as you want. The only areas where a pet can be said to always be superior to others are the bitflags (like cMetal and cResEle) and the special actions they can do.

Any shit will work eventually. The only difference is how fast it gets there.

Elona + does have equipment that lets you eat rotten food, right?

>>34329965
Yes, just grab the ring of steel dragon or kumiromi scythe

>>34329979
Ah, I wasn't doing the main story, I'll get to that. thanks dude

Are there instances in this game where characters say the full playername?
I'm making a new character, and wondering if I should give him a last name but I don't want npcs to say his full name in dialogue.

>>34330185
Pretty sure you can change your name at will, so no risk there.

Every time I try to play custom-g, it just gives me an error.
Is there anything I can do to fix this?

>>34330631
Play Elona+ 2.03
>but muh piss muh ano nerfs

>>34330631
>Is there anything I can do to fix this?
>>34293654
>Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.

>>34330648
That doesn't answer the question you subhuman.

>>34330807
That worked, thanks!

>>34330631
try putting the exe compatibility at windows 7

>>34312429
>also how hard is it to hit level 15 there?
Fairly easy. Mobile in general is just easier. Though maintaining potential with plat I realized is actually a little more difficult, the plat required for training new skills and potential gets higher much faster.

>>34328286
Use the sound folder and then edit the musiclist in user/music

>>34331344
Compared to vanilla or compared to Plus?

Does anyone know how to make their own custom race? Kind of want to make one just for fun

>>34333046
You need to be playing one of the omake variants.

In /data there is a race.csv spreadsheet file. Might want to make a backup. Just add your race to the end of it, and fill out the relevant columns. You'll need the appendix for skill/etc ids and stuff, but it should be on the wiki. At least for OO, the newer versions add a few more things on there, but I don't know the references for 'em.

>>34335693
Oh, and figure is for limbs. Each character is |x| is a limb .....good luck.

>>34335693
>>34335709
Sorry, should have mentioned I'm playing elona+ 2.03
is it too difficult with this version?

>>34336052
In plus it's not supported at all. You'd need to code it in, which would involve recompiling/recompiling too. It would also probably break in future versions.

Does anyone know what that mountain location visible from Devil Cape is?
It has the same tile as Derphy if it helps.

>>34340620
Larna?

Elona Mobile is out now.

>>34342556
who cares.

>>34342648
It means more art of Lulwy's fat ass.

>>34342673
I can't disagree with that logic, but I still don't like the mobile rip off.

>>34342722
That's your opinion, but it's been established people here play it so it's valid discussion. Don't try to push others out just because you don't like it.

>>34342806
You're not my boss

>>34342806
Doesn't the mobile has some paid element in it? That's reason enough to hate it.

>>34343674
Paid elements are basically just for rushing stats if you really wanted to skip gameplay. Either way, we already had other anons wanting to talk about it here.

>>34306326
did anyone ever make a guild or are people still getting their feet wet

>>34343975
Any game that allows you to pay real money in it is not a game, and shouldn't be supported, simple as.

>>34343975
Paying money just to skip the game... wow I don't even know what kind of nigtards would do that, but I'm surprised they can even boot up the game.

They can always talk about the mobile p2w version on /vmg/ if they really really want to talk about it. I don't want to see this general become yet another gacha trash dumb.

>>34344100
isn't that the same reason why elona ended up moving to /jp/ in the first place out of /rlg/

>>34344222
Elona doesn't have microtransations retard

>>34344043
...It's true. They're not really games at that point, more like shiny dumpsters you can throw money into.

>>34344245
elona isn't a true roguelike retard

>>34344363
that's true you retarded bitch, but that doesn't have anything to do with
>>34344100
>>34344222
go kill yourself and hope for some reading comprehension on your next life.

>>34344420
I accept your concession. I suggest going outside for a deep breath of fresh air.

>>34344363
>>34344420
what disqualifies elona from being a roguelike?

>>34344534
it doesn't have permadeath, and there's a bigger focus on SoL stuff than dungeon crawling and survival.

>>34344597
permadeath is present but is optional
otherwise fair enough

>>34344597
Does it qualify as a Mystery Dungeon game?

>>34344964
Not really.

>>34344534
Maybe it's too much of an hybrid with rpg.

>>34344597
Not all roguelikes put a lot of efforts in survival and Elona with its food and PISS mechanic is better than some proper roguelikes.
Dungeon crawling vs rpg/SoL quests doesn't even make sense, someone could be doing dungeons all the time and in some roguelikes dungeons barely matter.
Really the only thing that goes against Elona being a roguelike is the story content which make it come closer to being an actual jrpg.
Just call it a rpg-roguelike hybrid, an rpg with roguelike gameplay or simply a ""unique""(not rly) roguelike
niggers who use the word "roguelite" deserve a painful death

>>34344420
You're the retarded one for defending paying money to play less of the game.

>>34345194
>niggers who use the word "roguelite" deserve a painful death
also those that call binding of isaac or Hades a roguelike

>>34345194
>You're the retarded one for defending paying money to play less of the game.
I'm calling that guy a retard, not defending microtransactions, retard.

>>34345276
Calling someone a retard without justifying the reasons for doing so is called projecting.

>>34342556
Have they fixed the game speed yet? or at least a way to change how fast the game is?

>>34332108
compared to any elona retard... literally when you get the monster ball and capture monster with all vacant equipment slot you could already power progress through the story and even clear dungeon 3-4 levels above you...
not to mention they give stuffs for free in the first few days, and you even get the special companion... literally elona on easy mode

>>34347345
Are you stupid or what? You can have a pet carry you through dungeons twice your level in normal Elona.

>>34347345
You say this as if you can't grab 20 static medals and dominate a bell that will carry you throughout the entirety of Act 1.

>>34347345
I meant the platinum required for skills; are the costs high compared to vanilla or Plus?

>>34342556
Jesas, toxic mobile players gonna flock in here again

>>34348404
>again
it happened before?

>>34342556
>Checks qooapp and playstore
>Tons of angry comment from the people complaining about lack of freedom/customization and >muh original
What the hell, did they miss the open beta?

>>34351328
Ratings usually dive a bit for games that release after open beta, especially with beta rewards.

is there any mod/fork/whatever with move and autoattack nearest enemy like dcss tabbing? i want to try melee character but having to manually bump into every single enemy is just not doable with the amount of grinding and enemies elona has

>>34352158
You can use shadow step/continuous attacks/etc in plus. And range boosted swarm in oo, though that does require a bit of grinding to unlock. You could get shout (basically raging roar as a spact) to hold you over, but you need to eat a dragon heart for that.

>>34352158
You'd probably be happier letting a pet kill stuff for you. Anyway, there's nothing with autoexplore as far as I know.

>>34352158
Pets are generally a better option for mass slaughter, that and there are big aoe spells and fullscreen special actions.
Knowlege of Magical Plants feat and 30 gardening gets you an early screen nuke.

How do I stop myself from savescumming without going for a maximum pain difficulty mode?

>>34356284
Develop self-control.

>>34356284
I recommend electroshock therapy.

>>34356284
Remember that everytime you savescum the rare loot trigger turns off.

>>34356284
Have a "throwaway" character that you can pretend isn't your real one so you're fine with anything happening to it.

Why would you even savescum in elona? I'm relatively new and not against savescumming at all, but I've legitimately never felt the need to
It cant be combat related, if you die it's pretty much because you fucked up by being too underpowered for a dungeon. Is it rerolling for items or something?

>>34356920
because you can, more or less
>didn't get a wish from a well, reload
>shopkeeper isn't selling the item I want, reload
>attack missed, reload
>much more
it's a compulsion that when you have it, is incredibly hard to break

>>34356920
I'm normally like that too, but when spending the night playing I tend to optimize the fun out of the game after some point and start looking for specific outcomes instead of enjoying the RNG.
I wonder if playing on Natural is a good idea to try to deal with this.

>>34356920
It's useful if you want to catch a rare enemy and you can only use monster balls, for example, because you may accidentally kill it.

>>34356974
Knowing that you can just copy your save file means Natural and the other modes don't really do anything

Anyway to play + on Android that isn't a shameless cashgrab rip off?

>>34357380
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/android.androidVNC/

the best part of this game is always alias generation

>>34357612
Is it just me or does the first list of aliases always seem to have a higher density of good ones?

I just encountered my first living weapon and started to read the wiki about them when I came across this:
>Note that the option to add one level of enchantment is not limited by the cap imposed on other methods (+6 in normal Elona, +10 in Elona+), so it's advisable to reach the cap first before using weapon levels to add enchantments.

Can someone tell me what the fuck this means?

>>34358210
Assuming Plus.
You can enhance a weapon at a blacksmith to give it +1, +2 and so on.
This goes up to +10, and for weapons of <> quality or above, you can use stardust to take them to +15.
One of the options for levelling up a living weapon gives it +4 to this enhance value. If you're going to select this option you'd want to have maxed the weapon out via blacksmiths and stardust first.

In practice you don't need to worry about this, the optimal way to level up a living weapon is to go all magic damage, all the way to level 15.

>>34358246
>the optimal way to level up a living weapon is to go all magic damage, all the way
What do you do if that doesn't show on the list? Yes I am playing the latest elona plus

>>34358493
The element cycles each month, upgrading it at a blacksmith will also cycle it forward one month

>>34358246
>>34358493
Actually, I've got poison element damage add. Is this what I should take?

>>34358520
You want the actual Magic element. If you don't want to fiddle around for it, then any other element is good enough, although poison is the worst one.

>>34358860
Got it, thanks anon

>>34358246
A single chaos enchantment is nice since it give all the negative effects.
Absolute piercing isn't bad in the late game either.

>>34359332
I haven't found chaos all that useful for me, and absolute piercing is something you can fuse on your armour so there's no need to have it on a weapon.

>>34359358
how do you fuse something onto armor?

>>34359472
You get fusion in act 3

So when using MA do I want to use claws? or do I stay barehanded forever?

>>34361135
Claws/Tonfa are better

>>34361135
They'll be better until you reach a certain threshold.
I recommend checking out Kai's MA guide in the pastebin.

>>34361570
Eh, kinda. In practice you can't actually get enough extra attack to use all 8 of those attacks reliably. And the extra damage from tonfa wins out on average. This also ignores the nerf to crit rate, which IIRC is -25% chance per extra hit. Somewhere around there, so your early hits do most of the damage anyway.


>>34356920
>>34356967

Funny enough, I tend to only savescum when it is my fault. If RNG happens I tend to just go back and get my stuff.

>>34361157
>>34361570
thanks

Alright lads, I haven't played elona in years, but this past week I picked it back up again and finally beat the 1st arc. My faithful older sister archer reached 2000 AP, what should I get for her? What are some other things I should keep in mind when using AP? (This is my first time reaching South Tyris)

>>34365768
Speed and life. Maybe a few of the feats, I hear barrier is decent especially paired with the heal spells, but you can generally survive without them. Otherwise, the damage one is good.

>>34365768
Can't go wrong with speed and life.
Tactical heal is very nice to have. AI changes if you know what you're doing, Dartcasting if you're into that. I'm not really that into the feats outside of specific setups, but they don't hurt.
I wouldn't take barrier though, go for Brave and Obstinate.

Think I've locked myself out of Palmia on my current playthrough.
A npc summoned a Great Ancestral Spirit of Bishop and it's the de facto boss of the town now. Murdering the town npc's, my pets as well as myself whenever it gets the chance. The guards seem to overlook him for a reason I can't figure out.
I thought it would go away so I just left for awhile but it refuses to despawn (if that's even a thing). What recourse do I have for this issue, besides maybe just nuking Palmia. Albeit that seems to sound like solving one issue by creating another.

Good wishes for a fairly fresh char that already has seven leagues and happy bed?

>>34369141
You could wish for a shift core:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Shift_cores
Or one of Manytia's quality of life items:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Manytia_the_adventure_merchant#Old_War_Ground

>>34370050
How does the sprite change stuff for Shift cores work?
I've always put off getting one because the wiki makes it sound like you're locked in after the first use.

>>34370315
You can change it however many times you want. For the player it's c then p, for pets it's i then shape change.

>>34370315
You (and pets and such) have "normal appearance" and "shift core appearance". The transformation swaps between them. The same customization methods work for both. (Custom sprites and such are well-documented already, I think.)
I don't remember offhand whether you'd need to carry a dresser with you to turn armor on/off, but that's the only possible issue you could have with it.

>>34370449
>>34370506
Thanks, will definitely try it out the next time I get a wish.

>>34369083
Nukes won't solve your issue, they do ~500 or 1000 damage, and that thing can probably tank it.

It is odd that it and guards don't fight each other though, they should. Unfortunately unless you want to summon a god, there's' not to many cheaty ways to beat something. You could try making super cursed booze +10 or more, and just throwing it at the bishop, then teleport to the other side of the map, and hope it vomits to death.

>>34369083
On the overworld map while standing on Palmia, hold delete + press enter. It's a way of resetting a map / cheating to pick up more drops of an item that always spawns in a map. It's not a good idea to do it often, it can fuck stuff up but in your case you should try it. Make a backup of your save first just in case.

I lost a duel against an overpowered adventurer and now he hunts me down anytime we happen to be on the same map, which is surprisingly fun. Way better than savescumming really.

>>34371505
I'd like having adventurer nemesis but in practice they usually just run at me and drain my karma when I kill them.

>>34371719
Would a duel glove help?

>>34374592
It let's you kill them for free once per glove but if you kill any adventurer they're eternally assmad until you feed them gifts with Incognito active.

Is it possible to change the cutscene text in this game?
For instance, would it be possible to change every instance of the word "Zanan" with "Israel"?

>>34376105
The English main quest cutscenes are in scene2.hsp. In-game dialogue is all in the main source file. Custom-G includes a compiling guide, and a decompiling guide if you want to work with a newer version or something. (Custom and Custom-G include a cleaned-up version of the source code, so decompiling would be unnecessary.)

What if the Tag Force system gained a Tag Fusion ability? Sort of like a cross between necromancy's "unitdead" and shift cores. You could temporarily combine two pets into one super-strong pet, or combine with your pet to become something new.

>>34370717
Decided to try the beer method you mentioned and it worked! The guards finally decided to try and help and they were good meat shields as I was chucking booze and casting slow debuffs.
Honestly the hardest part was just finding space in my home/storage house to dump my inventory so I could reliably curse the alcohol I had on hand. Glad I didn't have to do the reset method >>34371063 mentioned since I've invested a small sum into the shops in Palmia.

Anyways moral of the story, booze is the solution to all of our problems.

>>34369083
If it's oomsest, summoned monsters vanish on their own after a certain period I think

>>34379296
Oh, neat thing about cursing. If you drop water on an alter to a god you don't worship, it'll be cursed. You can also craft water later on. It won't help too much if you are low on water right now, though.

>>34379296
>cursed bottles of beer literally more deadly than a nuclear bomb

>>34381338
I can believe it. It's like Doomsday from DC. 50x stronger than Superman physically, but if you can manage to shove a sword through it's brain or snap it's neck it's done
No matter how strong, if they are biological beings then they can be fucked with in specific ways

Good old classics. Still makes me chuckle.

>>34385992

Is there anyway to get rid of acid damage on precious items?

>>34390051
You mean the negative enchantments? Just enhance them at the blacksmith.

>>34390051
Also use acidproof liquids.

>>34390124
My issue is that my Unknown Shell doesn't appear on the list when I upgrade my equipment.

>>34390398
Is it on the second page? The game likes to put jewelry farther back than you'd expect in lists.

>>34391107
Oh, I thought it grouped all your currently worn equipment together.

>>34390051
There's a pot for fusion recipe that sets enhancement to +0, I think. Probably easier to just pay a blacksmith though.

What's the criteria for summoning a God to Truce Grounds again?
Do you need a wish?

>>34394702
Pray on your god's altar in the truce grounds on the month of november

>>34394738
you just need to pray on the truce grounds, no need to pray on an altar

Are there any reliable sources of Confusion Immunity?

>>34395358


https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Sage%27s_Helm

>>34395358
Generally if you get an element high enough it'll also give you immunity to something. I forget which one confusion is, though.

>>34402150
Mind.

>>34402150
>>34402822
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Elements..

Most buffs cure and give temporary immunity to a status effect, hero also resists confusion.

>>34395415
>>34402150
>>34403208
Thanks, I'll try to remember to buff up when confusion enemies are around.

>>34390156
And fireproof liquids.

When's elin's inn?

How do I go about starting a player owned town in OOMSEST?
Do I need to invest a lot in deed vendors to unlock a town deed; if that's how you acquire one.
Or am I missing something obvious?

>>34414605
You need a dungeon deed. I've only ever wished for them, I don't know if you can find one in a shop.

>>34413646
When noa finally take the meds

Is all that Elin stuff still in HSP, or did Noa start using a real programming language?

>>34418177
I don't think Noa has touched hsp since he stopped deving elona. I'm pretty sure he's on unity now, and might have been since then.

The Vernis music is stuck in a constant loop in my head help

>>34420599
Last night I dreamt I was farming on a farm in elona. in a constant loop

>>34420599
>>34421505
Sometimes I just open elona+ and listen to the main menu music. I'm using the beautify mod though which changes the song, I don't know what it's called but it's really great

>>34421568
This?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1aP6XfpXmc

>>34421871
That's it. thanks anon

Strong Elona vibes. Clowns race when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGj_HkKhhSE

>you can create [bottle of milk of X] by throwing multiple love potions at them
I never stop learning things

>>34420599
I haven't used the vanilla music in a while so I wouldn't know

I wonder how many people did the Lumiest cleaning quest and then immediately shoved Jure's Statue into the sewer where it belongs.

Does anyone know what's going on with the mobile version? It was under maintenance for days on end, and now it just won't run because there's an inaccessible 'newer version' even after updating it. I haven't really been able to find any information or if the devs have said anything about the situation. If they've said anything about the situation.

>>34430016
Beta ended and the release version dropped.

What's the easiest way of getting small medals once you've gobbled up most of the static ones (at least in north tyris)?

What is better on pets, Variable Breath or Variable Storm? I've got AP to burn.
>>34432213
Grind in dungeons, sometimes the treasure chests there have small medals in them

>>34432245
Variable Storm, provided the pet is capable of casting.

>>34432245
I guess grinding it is then.

Also are laser gun artifacts rarer than rare? I'm trying to debate where it's worth upgrading my emerald one still or if I just shouldn't waste my superior material scrolls until I get an artifact.

>>34432275
Try to find any living firearm, which you can then equip update into a laser gun.
You can garok hammer a laser gun to turn it into an artifact, then fuse magic damage onto it, but I wouldn't recommend this over a living weapon, it's more expensive and time consuming for a weaker outcome.

>>34432262
What makes Variable Storm better, and how does the AI decide to use spells or not?

>>34432323
Doesn't fusion have a higher cap?

>>34432336
It does a lot more damage. When I say capable of casting, I mean "has the skills and stats to do decent damage with it".
Variable storm has a 1/9 or 1/11 chance to trigger, can't remember which, and it'll turn into the ball spell for whatever element you've selected with elements eyes or have the highest resist for, provided that element has a corresponding ball spell.

>>34433208
it doesn't

>>34433208
Handmade:
>Garok's hammer: 250
>Jewel of tear of god: 550
>Jewel of tear of god: 850
>Jewel of tear of god: 1150
>Jewel of tear of god: 1450
>Jewel of tear of god: 1750
(can safely add up to 250 power worth of other effects)
>Jewel of tear of god: 2050
Total: 1800 power

Living:
>Magic element damage add: 200
>Magic element damage add: 400
>Magic element damage add: 600
>Magic element damage add: 800
>Magic element damage add: 1000
>Magic element damage add: 1200
>Magic element damage add: 1400
>Magic element damage add: 1600
>Magic element damage add: 1800
>Magic element damage add: 2000, 50 bloodsucking
>Magic element damage add: 2200, 100 bloodsucking
>Magic element damage add: 2400, 150 bloodsucking
>Magic element damage add: 2600, 200 bloodsucking
>Magic element damage add: 2800, 250 bloodsucking
Total: 1800 power safe, 2800 power max

>>34433474
...lolno, fusion miracles softcap at 2500 if you have leveled up the smith. You can get more than that, but only from overflow, ie, adding a 250 enchant when at 2499 gets you to 2749. Godlies soft cap at 3k, but you'll have a hell of a time getting an empty godly.

What are some good money goals to set for yourself during the course of a normal playthrough?
Recently got my small castle and I'm somewhat lost as to what is the next big budget item to work towards. I assume I should work on my characters equipment but those wandering traders selling better gear would sooner bankrupt me than offer a reasonable price.

>>34433924
A couple more minor points:
Fusions lose about 100 enchant to the weapon inherent which living gets for free.
Living weapons can start with a nice invoke for free.
Fusions can take certain invokes which may be worth more than an equivalent amount of magic damage, depending on your setup.
That said I'd still take fusion over living for the player character. Having to constantly equip and unequip your weapon is not worth a small amount of extra damage.
>>34434824
As many ranches as you can tolerate. As many magic vendors as you can hire, invested up to around 50-100 each. 2 million for the maid mansion in Act 2.

Is the latest Elona+ still way too generous on nefia rewards? I remember going back to 1.90 because I was getting too many divine items early.

>>34435007
Alright, I'll start recruiting more magic vendors in place of other servants in my castle.
However why build multiple ranches? I currently have one and it seems pretty meh production wise. I have a putit which I leave their so I can grind charisma but it takes so long to get resources out if it, even when I'm frugal and only slaughter approximately one to two animals per month.
Aware that the maintenance cost is only 1000gp per month, but still.

>>34435474
>I currently have one and it seems pretty meh production wise.
thats why you build many, a lot of meh makes for decent production

>>34435490
I guess that's a fair point then.
Is there any animal that's figurative golden goose when it comes to being a breeder, or should I just breed whichever animal offers corpse stat bonuses that I want?

>>34435605
Putit corpses can be used to make putitoros. Lame horses breed faster than putits. I think you can get special drops from monsters, so you might want fairies or hermit crabs or whatnot.

>>34435451
Yes.

>>34435007
it's not really a small amount, and the only times you need to unequip are party times and using pot for fusion

>>34435474
>even when I'm frugal and only slaughter approximately one to two animals per month
It's counterintuitive, but you get new livestock faster the fewer of them there are. So if you're after meat and gold, you want to slaughter all of them as often as possible. You only keep them alive if you're after eggs and +0 milk, which have their uses but are not real moneymakers.

>>34435605
In plus, chickens are best for general ranching, their breed rate is close to the maximum, and they have an egg production bonus

>>34435474
Remember that animals reproduce through mitosis and they breed faster the less animals they are, so there's no advantage in leaving them alive if you just want to harvest them quickly.

>>34436035
And harvest times, and resting, and mining. A maxed living weapon would probably get you about... well let's just make a rough estimate here.

Say you crit for 200k. And your fusion weapon with about 2400 magic damage adds 600k to that. Then a maxed living weapon with 2800 magic damage would instead do 700k. So about 100k more. On top of that interlocking is doing about 1 million when it procs, and say you have about 6 armors with interlocking for about a 50% chance to proc. Since it can only proc once per turn, call it, say, a 30% chance.

The fusion weapon is doing 200k+600k+0.3*1000k = 1.1 million, whereas the living weapon would be doing 1.2 million, for a gain of less than 10%. Now, you could adjust those numbers a bit, since they are just loose approximations after all, but I can't think of any scenario where I'd call the living weapon's extra damage anything more than "a small amount".

>>34436710
You don't need to unequip it for harvest times, resting, or mining, those either go by too fast to care about being interrupted, or in the case of resting, have no consequence for interruption.
There's also something to be said for the ease of obtaining it, for a living weapon, you find one, beat stuff up in the void for an hour or two, and you're done.
For fusion, there's no end of messing around with goddess socks and gain attribute scrolls, which are also in high demand for your armour, plus you need to reach act 3 for them to even be an option.
using fusion for weapons is a waste

>>34436773
>valid points
I'm just saying the damage difference doesn't amount to much in the end. Whether it's worth the inconvenience is up to each individual player to decide, depending on their preferences and playstyle.

i remember the hsp version you download from the official site is not the correct one to compile elona, where do i find the right one?

Is there a mirror of looseleaf anywhere?

>>34437997
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dufyfp8eirm6eqf/Looseleaf.zip?dl=0

>>34437424
>Compiler download site:
>http://hsp.tv/make/downlist.html
>Filename:
>hsp34a.zip
>Checksums of hsp34a.zip (for safe distribution on the off-chance that the site goes down):
>CRC32
>B473B09D
>CRC64
>1CD3C33216CD0613
>SHA256
>2B841C71BBE4EFAD0DCE1BED88BDD72BFD4EBE5E5671689B4A5833C105B278CF
>SHA1
>CC7D91CF0E6DF949951036108384DE89E02F6670
>BLAKE2sp
>B8BF38BA3BD375463D92FF3965D1EED970CE53B0FABFDCA95EA92AC3D6F200B7

Where I can download Elona+?
The Gdrive link is dead

>>34439195
2.03 on the wiki and 2.02 on the pastebin seem dead.

>>34439618
I found a link for the 2.04 here : http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-38.html

>>34439626
>>34439618
>>34439195

Ah, yeah, ano deletes old versions. Congrats, you found the update first.

Did anyone ever make a wiki page to catalogue the OOMSEST changes? I could've sworn the wiki had a page for the OO changes but the layout changed and now I can't find if there's one for OOMSEST.

>>34293654
pastebin anon here back from work crunch hell.

I found a couple minutes to breathe so just reply to me with the proper links to shit if things have died or updated and I will fix the bins

>>34442484
they had you working hard on 2.04, huh?

>>34442484
>>34439626

>>34435451
Yes. If anything it's more generous now than it was then, given how the DESTINY mechanics works.

>>34435970
>>34447289
What a shame. This ruins the pacing imo.
Thanks. I'll try upgrading only when this save runs out of content to still have a chance of enjoying the struggle of early levels.

>>34440535
The readme EN file on the folder
Wordpad

How do you play smoothly as a mage? I just got to act 3 for the first time as a 2H melee and I’d like to try out pure magic.

I suppose you just bind spells to numbers for quick combat? What are the spells I should be looking out for?

>>34453419
I should clarify I’m making a new character for this. So all I have is magic dart. Are there any cheap multi-hit spells?

>a NUCLEAR DEAD LION

>>34452563
In reality, doing random nefias has never been a worthwhile early game activity compared to simply farming and doing quests. The early game struggle that you enjoy has always been a product of the play style you chose, not an inherent part of the game. And since that struggle was always self-imposed anyway, why not continue to impose it on yourself regardless of what the game tries to do? Just don't pick up DESTINY piles.
>>34453458
Yeah, bind your attack spell. Magic dart is fine for now. The endgame elements are fire, ice, sound, and mind, so transition into one of those eventually. Water damage can also be useful as a secondary attack. Since you're familiar with melee, I'd suggest you pick a ball-type spell, since those generally have the best AoE coverage as long as you're willing to pay attention to where you are in relation to the enemies around you, but if you want to try a lazier play style then just holding down your bolt hotkey is fine too.
Sleep whenever you can. Melee gets potential from platinum, but spells get potential from sleeping. If you use balls, you can just spam your spell a few times before you go to bed to train it. With bolts you need a target so it's not as convenient.

>>34454945
reskinned nuke

>>34455137
I read that elemental spells are weaker than pure magic because of enemy resistance especially at high levels. Is that untrue? Dual wielding fire and ice appeals to the kid in me so I might go for that if elemental spells are strongest

>>34455478
At "high levels", fire/ice does about 71% of magic damage before taking anything else into account.
If you add Itzpalt's feat it becomes 89%
If you add Rasen it becomes 133%
If you max out combines enchant it becomes 222%
If you count wince then it becomes 266%

>>34455478
Elemental spells have extra effects and can be empowered by applying element scar.
Some enemies are vulnerable to certain elements, and I find most of these are weak to fire and ice.
Pure magic is at maximum effectiveness most of the time and there's minimal fiddling with equipment and support casting.

I haven't played in ages and got new pc, which version should I get?
Can friend npcs cast magic in all versions yet? This was one of the things I wanted before, that and a keyboard with num pad (achieved)

>>34455641
>>34455684
I followed the rest of your post but what do you mean by maxing out the combines enchant?
Well it sounds like even with a bit of initial work elemental spells are permanently stronger

>>34455838
>34455838
Elemental combines are an attribute you can find on equipment that when you cast a spell of one of the elements, deals extra damage of the other.
The combinations are Fire/Cold, Sound/Mind, and Poison/Nerve.
At max power the second hit is 1.5x the power of the first, so you're dealing essentially 2.5x damage.
Fire and Cold can also benefit from Wet and Oiled, which are both 1.75x damage respectively.

That said, even without combines, liquids, or debuffs, the gap between magic and elemental is a lot smaller than you might think, here's a damage test I did a few days ago between itzpalt-boosted cold and magic.

>>34455838
Right, I forgot to mention that this is before counting any of the fiddly stuff like oil or Elemental Scar, or situational things like undead fire weakness. If you do add those then the damage difference just becomes even more ludicrous. Just Itzpalt and Rasen are enough to put fire/ice above magic, and that takes like 5 minutes to get.
Search "enchantments" on the wiki for more info on combines.

>>34455915
>>34455928
No I know what the combination enchants are, I googled what rasen was when reading your earlier post. What I’m querying is you say with Rasen youre at 133% but then “if you max out combines enchant” you get 222%.
What does “maxing it out” mean? Do you mean also getting the enchant on some living weapon staffs or something?

>>34455992
Rasen gives 250 enchant and the attribute caps out at 750, so yeah, getting an extra 500 from random cloaks and rings. There's also Cross Rail, a static crossbow that gives 150.

>>34454945
My best guess is that Ano watched this TAS and found the dead lion thing hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTvCqPtxao

>>34456035
thanks for all your help anon. final question, best race / class combo for pure caster?

>>34455992
it can generate randomly on ring slot and back slot equipment

>>34456401
Lich or Elea for race, Class can be anything but you can't go wrong with Thief or Farmer.

>>34456401
Doesn't really matter but I start with lich farmer, or elea thief, or snail archer, or... well, it really, really does not matter. You will eventually want to change class to warmage but there's no reason you have to start as one.

Is 2.03 the best version then, since ignored. I do want to do this like now.

>>34456984
custom g is still better since it has an actual translation

>>34457065
Isn't it not getting updated anymore though?

>>34457129
1.90 is still good though, and most of the new elona + haven't been good anyway.

>>34457065
Does either let pawns/your party cast spells?

>>34457193
yes.

>>34457193
They both do, but Custom gives you more freedom.

>>34456984
I was waiting for one of the Omake shills to come pitch it to you, but if you're playing Plus then play through Custom-G 1.90.4 at least once for the translations. After that you can update to 2.04 if you want to check out all the new features.

>>34456401
Lich anything, the main benefit is the extra mana.
You'll want to business card to Warmage later for casting bonus if you don't start with it.
>>34456984
I'd say play custom-g first, and then try a later version.
Most of the devisive changes are post 1.90, so I'd say find what things you like about the game and then see how the newer versions suit your playstyle.

>>34457699
alternatively, you may as well start in a version after the nerfs have taken place, so you don't have to complain about things not being as strong as they used to be

I'd just recommend going with the newest version unless you're really a stickler for those cutscenes.
That said, f you are going to play custom, just play that. Definitely don't bother with -g, that's a whole other can of worms,

>>34457921
>Definitely don't bother with -g
Why? Actually having everything translated is important.

>>34457987
The game is playable without them, and in general -G is just a bunch of weird and arbitrary changes

>>34457987
g just removes a lot of unnecesary nerfs, and let's you customise your pet AI
so don't listen to this retard >>34458039

>>34458039

>>34458039
Cry more Ano, you miserable failure of a game dev. You're just upset that people are playing a version that doesn't shove people through the first chapter and into your fanfiction.

>>34458057
The AI customisation wasn't added by -G

>>34458119
oh no violent garden got nerfed
my full screen clear that can still be spammed and oneshots entire rooms isn't as powerful as it used to be
let's double the damage and halve the stamina cost
or is it the MA changes that are bothering you?
It's stronger earlygame and still works fine later
let''s whine about thirst and piss yet again even though neither has been an issue for years

i feel like you anons just want to complain

>>34457921
New players tend to get tripped up by things like being asked to prohibit their horse from eating when they're trying to ride it, or the maid asking you to nuke Palmia, or Leold straight up giving you the wrong AP costs for things. The translation goes beyond just cutscenes.
>>34458057
You don't need -G to customize pet AI

>>34458169
Q: What's the only thing that sucks more dick than Ano?
A: Ano's mother!

Ok I guess I get it now, custom is elona+ with extra stuff, and the custom pet ai is what I was talking about because when I last played + didn't have that, I got to a point where I had more "pets" and wanted to teach them heals and fireballs and found out basically I couldnt.

So, use custom? Ill try that, thanks.

So other than + and OO, What other variant that's already translated to english?

Guys, I've been reading about this OOMSESTepNC thing... Is it good?
Or should I just stick to the OG OOMSEST?

This is getting ridiculous with those long ass names btw

>>34461420
>This is getting ridiculous with those long ass names btw
Yeah, I used to think "pseudoellioposchengband" was long, but if you spelled that whole Omake thing out it'd be twice as big.

>>34461420
NC is pretty fun so far. They added some streamlining to endgame, and a bunch of new systems, like breeding orchard trees that can have harvest books, horse racing, custom potions, etc. Also added some new enchantments and spells, you can even make booze meteors now. It even has programmable custom AI, (not quite the same as custom itself but you can do the same stuff, even teaching spells/skills). Dude's adding stuff every few days now.

In custom, is there something you need to do to get directive besides charisma 10?

>>34465770
level up

What skills do you like to use points in?

>>34465841
a bit of faith, then cooking

Just got my first living weapon in OOMSEST and discovered how much of a pain it is to level this thing.
I'm playing a wizard archetype so most of my weapon skills besides throwing are pretty low to begin with. Can't decide if it is worth it to dump plat coins into training weapon proficiencies just for a single living weapon or not.

>>34469409
I know over in the jp discord, people use living weapons to get spell enhance well into the millions. Though, they have programs to tell them what all the best seeds are. I'm also half convinced you need to have spell enhance on their to start with, but I dunno.

Otherwise, there's always resists and stats.

>>34470182
>spell enhance well into the millions
Are there super enemies that need stuff like that, or are they just doing it for kicks?

>>34470551
enemy in the void keep scalling up , their resistance cap out and hp increases

What is that "Defeat" stat under Karma?

>>34471210
Highest level of enemies you've defeated.

>>34470551
NC adds an abyss dungeon in the fairy island that keeps scaling past where void caps out, never been there, but I hear things like damage null don't work and enemies get tons of buffs and abilities.


Otherwise, there are a few OP enemies, like death ehekatle, or overwish. You can also make custom npcs with stats i the billion+ range.

So as a pure spellcaster, should I be aiming for dual wielding living weapons with spell enhance stacked 15 times on each?

>>34470182
Is that on elona+?

>>34471822
Dual wielding gives you a penalty to spellcasting chance, and even if you picked Warmage you're better off wearing medium armor for Magic Equip; and IIRC spell enhance has a cap.

>>34471822
>Is that on elona+?
Nah, that's clearly the old living weapon system where you can savescum to avoid bloodsucking. They're using programs to read the RNG for that, right?

>>34472242
You can't put off bloodsucking past lvl 15 even with savescumming, since every seed has a 1-15 value of when to generate it. The program is to find all the +spell enhance titles.

There are other ways to avoid blood suck though, hero weapons/justice weapons/damage null.

>>34471822
You'll naturally pick up a bunch of spell enhance static artifacts over the course of the game, so there's no need to go out of your way for it. Vital Flayer alone gets you most of the way to cap.

>>34471918
I did pick warmage. What if you dual wield some very light living daggers? That way you could still use medium armor and get magic equip on top while also having two stat items you can tailor

>>34472444
How can you tell when you’ve reached the cap?

>>34472697
>What if you dual wield some very light living daggers?
Doesn't matter how light they are.
>How can you tell when you’ve reached the cap?
You could look it up on the wiki, or check your character sheet. The cap on spell enhance from equipment is 100%, so take off all your spell enhance gear, note your spellpower, put all your spell enhance back on, and see if it went up by 100%.

>>34472927
It doesn’t matter in regards to the penalty but I already said I took warmage. You haven’t refuted what I said
Ah ok thanks

>>34472990
I think It'll be easier if you just play the game and equip both medium armor and dual daggers and look up the casting chance for a spell you could cast 100% of the time without the penalties. I'd do it but I don't have it right now.

>>34471210
Does that have any kind of gameplay impact?

>>34473361
Just recordkeeping, I think?

at which point you should start 'herb in' curarias and make picnic baskets instead of just eating herbs?

>>34479139
literally as soon as it becomes an option.
you can herb in anything though, the stat gains from herbing are independent from the base gains of the food, though you'll still get those.

>>34479139
>>34479198
I dont get this though. I tried a "herb in" and because it requires you to include a stomafilia, you can only eat one before being instantly bloated. Whereas with an individual herb, you can eat like ~5-15 herbs (not curararias because they're more filling) depending on how hungry you are
You get way more out of it that way. I haven't tried a picnic basket, is that what makes it viable?

>>34479757
Herbifying food makes it give lots of stats. Picnic baskets restore stat potential. You want to get your potentials up and then eat herbed food.

"herbing in" sounds like some weird hobby for delinquents

>>34480940
Stats always increase by 1-2 points when just spamming herbs and like I said I can do that more than 10 times in one go before you get full. Why not use picnic basket then just eat a bunch of herbs raw? I'm saying wouldn't you get more out of that then using a "herb in" recipe which you can only eat ONE of before you get full

>>34482272
Because you'd get fewer stats per herb and you don't have infinite herbs.

>>34482890
3 Farms worth of herbs usually see me through until the next harvest

>>34483429
Are you going for a low turncount run?

>>34483453
No? I'm saying what I harvest from my 3 farms is enough for my character to eat when he gets hungry

>>34483498
Then just rest to get hungry again. It takes like 2 seconds to go from bloated to hungry.

>>34483429
>3 farms woth of herbs
tips on getting herb seeds?

>>34483596
Have a gorillion Kumiromi statues.

how does yaca point abuse work?
360 of tea/rice ball doesn't seem to produce 1000 yaca points. or you need merchant with very high negotiation?

>>34485938
December, about 120 Neg, inn shop.

How worthwhile are guild quests?
I usually just use the perks and ignore the quests.

>>34487418
The only quest reward that's worth something is the flame sword from the Fighters' Guild.

new thread when?

>>34489367
start it up then

How useful is sp drain on weapons?

>>34490830
Depends on versions and details. It can help with shadow step spam, but it's not sustainable in most versions of plus.

Outside of combat, tt is useful as a way to mass cook/perform/etc since you can work next to a sandbagged monster and walk into them to speed up sp recovery.

>>34490830
It's only a couple SP as I recall. Nothing serious.

>>34489367
never, elona is doomed to die because it's cursed and no one bothered going to the priest/healer

Yo can someone tell me what these green arrows mean

>second to last thread on catalog
Will someone make the goddamn thread

>>34492570
>>34492841