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>>34633489
>Even the spinning UFO should erase a bunch of the knives in her final spell card.
It does. Especially considering many knives are arranged in a circle or part of it with a radius very similar to the spinning UFO one. You might be able to position and/or move yourself so that the UFO crashes through all of them and cheese it.

>>34627586
>>34627991
I also second IN (my first too) for its Spell Practice. As a newcomer, focusing on single attacks to crack them helps a lot.

There's unlockable third slot for starting cards, right?

>>34636166
yes, buy the blank card in stage 5 on any difficulity and clear the game.

>>34636218
Is there some requirement for it? I haven't seen it yet, even on 1cc attempts.

>>34636475
I 1cc'd the game on easy once and it seems to appear in stores every time.

Is there any point in buying blank card besides unlocking third slot / alt. endings?
For all of Chimata's boasting it still seems completely useless.

>>34637638
iirc you get all/most of the cards from the next stage's shop automatically if you choose that

>>34637638
Not really. Took it on Stage 1, ended up with this after Stage 2. Not only is this only 4 cards (which is what you would already have at this point, or less if your run is starting with 3 cards) but them being random outside of the guaranteed boss card(s) means you don't even get what you want. I guess if you just want to unlock all the cards quickly, you can keep taking it so you can buy everything that appears at once, but other than that it's pretty pointless.

GIVE ME THE ABILITY CARD TIER LIST

>>34639417
Do your own research

>>34639417
>DO NOT USE
Cirno
>THE REST
yeah they're alright

>>34639417
Personal experience for my normal/hard runs (no particular order in each tier):

Absolute legend tier: Mokou's feather

Either start with or grab asap tier: Byakuren Scroll, Saki wolf, Remilia fang, Dragon pipe, Raiko Drum

Extremely good on their own; might need another card to be busted tier: Yachie's hand, Eiki's coin, Sumireko's cards, pretty much any option shot minus Cirno

Very good cards that work best if you grab them early tier: Narumi's Jizo, Pachouli's spell, Momoya's Centipede

Very good, worth considering tier: Tenshi's rock, Eirin's Potion, Okina's door, Megumu's rice, Tsukasa's bottle, Tewi's foot, Kanako's offerings (though I recently stopped picking this one up because I think either the new collection line area is incorrect or the card isn't working the way it should)

Only if the below are my only other option tier: Nue's UFO, Keiki's Haniwa, Misumaru's Magatama, Yuyuko's ghosts, Mamizou's Tanuki, Miko's laser, Mike's cat, Takane's wallet, Nitori's Wallet, Suwako's frog, Yukari's Border, Clownpiece's moon

Refuse to take under any circumstances tier: Cirno shot, Kaguya's box, Koishi's hat

Forced to take it, never use it again tier: Sukuna's Mallet

Not skilled enough to use it effectively tier: Lily White (esp in later stages), Aya's shoes

>>34640767
I want to know what the hell ZUN was drinking when he left Cirno with just that dinky thing
It's the most useless card in the game

>>34641062
ha ha it's funny because cirno is dumb and useless

>>34641062
I wish it was just the ice mechanic from fairy wars on a cooldown or something. Freezing was loads of fun.

>>34641288
I agree, but that would make the card broken as fuck.
I haven't tried the Lily card but it's going to be a little weird if she's somehow the better card. Then again, being the strongest fairy doesn't necessarily make her the most useful fairy.

Unplugged Vendors filtered my shitters ass too hard so I'm going back to grinding 1ccs in older 2hus. At least until there's an english patch because even farming 3rd card slot in easy modo feels like a waste of time with endings in moonrunes.
Speaking of m**n, I can now bully moonie scum with each character individually.

>>34641446
>a waste of time with endings in moonrunes.
Anon... You can watch the endings again by selecting them in the achievement/trophy list. It's not a waste to unlock the endings then wait for a translation.

>>34641415
Lily's is better, but not great
if you combine it with Barley Rice and Byakuren you can get a ton of bombs for free (plus if you ever do need to bomb and have Lily available, you can just summon her during it to get a free bomb piece/life fragment)
her bullets are the exact same on every difficulty and every third summon gives you Lily Black with a Life Fragment
she will get more aggressive the longer she stays on screen so she does become number 1 priority, which is why I think waiting until you need to bomb to summon her is probably best

>>34641567
Watching them right after finishing a run is way more satisfying. Also playing without 2hus' banter sucks.

>want to do an all-followers run
>keep getting RNG checked
I hope one of the first mods is every card at shop or unlimited card slots at the start

>finally beat the extra stage with Yuuka in MS
>text floods the screen during the credits
>everything frozen with music on loop
I guess it's because of the english patch, but does this happen to everyone after getting the extra ending?

>>34643652
That's a known bug that happens with the English patch, but only sometimes.

Can anyone who's cleared the Extra confirm, does Momoyo's card appear randomly in shops like any other boss card? Or can you only choose it as starting equipment?

>>34644572
it can randomly appear but I rarely see it
though to be fair I have it equipped most of the time

Game is fun

I've revised my calculation for the number of possible card routes. Compared to my estimate from before the full version was released, the numbers are even more ridiculous, thanks to the combination of three starting slots and the Blank Card. I'll just post the end results, but if anyone has questions about how I got these numbers, I can bore you with the details.

There are 17,344 possible starting configurations.
There are 62,818,827,375,064 routes through the main game.
There are 851,034 routes through the Extra.

That means it would take a single person about 3.5 billion years of nonstop play to complete every route. It also means that many possible routes will probably never be played, by anyone.

Can you please show your math

>>34641446
If you really want to grind something satisfying, give PCB's extra stage(s) a try. Difficult, but if you can 1cc a few of these games it should be reachable

The game is fun all in all. That's what I believe.
I wish I didn't have other things pending at the time since it became two conflicting moods, but that was on me.
Also, Remi's fangs OP.
A reply to >>34589056 since I saw it in my surfing.
>The card system is incredibly fun
This.
>I spent around 9 hours with the game when it came out and it was very thrilling finding out what card does what with friends
Lucky.

>>34641630
>every third summon gives you Lily Black with a Life Fragment
I need to see this.
BRB

Nearly choked at the end there because of my own stupidity, but for my 3rd 1cc in the entire series, it's not as bad as I thought it'd be.

>>34648150
>Nearly choked
>Two lives and 2 bombs remaining
Nah you finished comfortably, nicely done.

>>34647214
For starting states: There are 47 cards you can start with, plus the option of no card. Order doesn't matter here, but you can only have one of each, so that's (48 choose 3), or 17,296. But you can have more than one empty slot, so add 47 to account for every combination of one card and two empty slots, plus 1 more for the case of three empty slots. That's how you get a total of 17,344.
For shops: There are 53 purchasable cards.
At the stage 1 shop, you can buy any card you don't already have. So for each starting state, you can make (53 - N) choices, where N is the number of non-items cards you already have.
At the stage 2 shop, all those possibilities still apply, compounded on the stage 1 states. Of course, if you bought an item at stage 1, you can still buy that same item again. Additionally, if you bought the Blank Card at stage 1, you will get 3 new non-item cards, plus Takane's card if you hadn't previously had it. So for each of those Blank Card states, you have ((48 - N) choose 3) new possibilities.
At the stage 3 and 4 shops, all the same applies, except of course if you've bought the Blank Card already, you can't buy it again.
At the stage 5 shop, if you bought the Blank Card at stage 4, it works pretty much the same as before, except there are two boss cards, so you can potentially get none, either one, or both, depending on what you'd already had.
For the Extra, it works just like the main game's stage 1 shop, except you can't buy the Blank Card.

I simply wrote a program to iterate through all possible choices at each stage, grouping outcomes by patterns that are interchangeable, and tallying how many outcomes there are for each pattern. Taking a random line from the output as an example, the pattern "^^^6^I^4" means starting with three non-boss cards, buying Megumu's card in stage 1, a non-boss card in 2, an item in 3, a non-boss in 4, and Misumaru's in 5. There are 63192480 different ways to achieve this pattern. alone. There are 345,624 such patterns in the output.

However, while writing this I realized that I messed up. I didn't take into account that any of the three guaranteed cards you get from the Blank Card can also be other stage's boss cards. Given this, there are even more patterns and possible routes that I missed in the last post. Consider that number for the main game a lower bound.

>>34648167
Here's the image of me before the boss fight. I never really practiced this stage before and I feel like I could've done better if I did, but thanks for your kind words though

>>34647943
How does Phantasm unlock work? Is it just captured spellcards or do I need to complete Extra as well?

I can't see jack shit after playing for a while

don't play for long periods of time. fatigue will get to you one way or another.

Why do so many people choose to LNN MoF? Is it really that easy to LNN?

>>34647214
>>34648172
Fixing that bumped it up to 85,607,781,751,464, or about 36% more than the previous figure.

>Door on the back card can eat the stage 4 boss balls
Wow

I just barely managed to 1cc Subterranean animism. My favourite spell card in the whole game is Subterranean Sun, I really like the fact that it could kill you at the last few seconds, and usurp the feeling of happiness over barely making jt & surviving Subterranean Sun with no lives left, only for Utsuho Reiuji to slow the game down & make the death sound so she can lull you in & give you a false sense of security so you can do a victory sigh & finally breath after fighting what feels like a 10,000c nuclear sun.

>>34648608
Depends if that counts MarisaB without vpatch fix as legitimate runs.

I can't find the blank card, am I blind?

>>34650782
It's this one.

>>34650890
Thank you, but I still haven't seen that one.
I'm guessing it just spawns randomly like the other effect cards.

>>34648172
I don't think you took into account starting with or buying the cat card that increases the number of buying options every stage.

>>34645806
Are any of the Equip cards worth the money (other than Reimu's homing)

>>34647051
>It also means that many possible routes will probably never be played, by anyone.
The ones that include the Cirno card, heyoooo

>>34650961
Did you 1cc the game yet, the card is supposed to appear in every boss' deck

>>34649033
I wish Okina ate my balls with her back door...

>>34651536
>Did you 1cc the game yet, the card is supposed to appear in every boss' deck
Oh, that's a requirement?
That would explain it.

>>34648608
Not the easiest, but still pretty manageable and very fun to play for survival
A lot of people with MoF lnn are also scorefags. The score routes for MoF basically require no miss so you’re already very close to lnn if you choose to pursue that

uhhh......
is the english patch out already?
wanna try to play the game but i don't want to play with indecipherable moonrunes so i can understand stuff

>>34652927
There has been some activity on thpatch.net this last day, so maybe it'll come out soon. It's not out yet, though.

>>34648589
IIRC you need to capture 60 spellcards AND beat Extra.

Fighting Ran first and Yukari afterwards was a lot of fun. Took me 2 + 1 weeks though.

>>34652987
went into Extra and it's translated today so there's definitely some progress

>>34653599
Looks like Extra is translated for all characters. Nice! I really like that stage, too.

>>34650990
That doesn't actually matter, because even with Mike's card, you can still only buy one card per shop. It would only affect the model if it let you buy more than one at a time.

Does anyone know how to quick restart in this game? If you hit escape then R you end up on a yes/no option prompt which significantly slows down restarting.

>>34639417
Here's your tier list, bro

>>34653629
If the Extras are translated then I assume the main story is too.
But what about the endings?

>>34654256
I have to imagine ZUN did it to account for players that bound the R to something and accidentally pressed it right after Esc so they wouldn't be turbo-fucked in less than a second.
We'll have to wait to see if anyone makes an Esc+R restart patch like they did for WBaWC.

>>34654307
Thanks, I hate it.

>>34654307
You know how I know this is a joke? Because you put Lily in the "Cirno" category.

>>34654471
>If the Extras are translated then I assume the main story is too.
it isn't, still only goes up to stage 3

>>34654471
>>34654597
I did an easy 1cc just now as Marisa and all the dialogue's been translated.
The endings still aren't, though.

I forgot that you pick route manually and accidentally went to kick Kaguya's ass while skipping dialogue (which I was expecting to be different for solo mode, what a boner killer).
Also tried Extra and shitted my pants when I saw how many healthbars Moko has. Death animation playing every time her healthbar runs out is a nice touch, I fucking love when ZUN plays around with core mechanics like this for storytelling.

>there have been full unlock code for every game all this time
Now I feel stupid for wasting ten year futilely trying to unlock Koishi and Nue Stages whe I just could use this.

>>34655927
There's nothing wrong with beating the games legitimately.
Except LoLK, that game doesn't deserve it.

Am I doing something wrong with thcrap? I've run the tool and downloaded the English patch for one of the older games, but every time I try to launch the game using the shortcut it creates, it just launches the game's configure tool

>>34655927
I hate to break this to you, but if you can't even unlock those stages, there's not a snowball's chance in hell you'll be able to clear them.

>>34657138
It creates a shortcut for both the game and the config tool. So for example, you might have "th07 (en)" and "th07_custom (en)"; the former launches the game. If you only have a shortcut for the config tool, then setup didn't work correctly, maybe because it didn't detect the game exe for some reason.

>>34657187
Yeah, I only have the th11_custom (en) shortcut. I'm trying to run it on the Steam version of the game, if that makes a difference.

>>34657138
Just the config tool or the choice of resolution when you open the program?

>>34657626
I get pic related. I assume my issue is what >>34657187 said and/or Steam is fucking with the patcher somehow

>>34657914
make sure you're linking the correct executable- if you are, then it might just be a launcher issue.

Thanks to these cards even idiots like me can do no miss no bomb runs.

>>34657931
Reran the launcher and it worked this time. I think what happened is Windows deleted SA's exe the first time I ran thcrap because of that retarded ransomware false positive.

>>34657978
>1,744 cash
That's some impressive margins. How do you earn that much money without the mallet?
Also, nice Remilia card. We are now friends.

>>34658154
Yachie's card (the smokey hand) probably had something to do with it

>>34655527
Nice Reimu solo 1cc!

The Extra second midboss card and first and seventh boss cards are nightmare RNG bullshit. First especially, that pattern was already ridiculous in Junko's fight where it was balanced around Pointdevice, here it's just unfair.
I was only able to cap the fourth in spell practice once by pure luck, and the fifth basically seems impossible given the timing, but at least with items those aren't as bad.

Holy shit extra stage in SoEW is so much harder than 1ccing the game on normal. I'm really gonna have to buckle down to get this shit done.

>>34659596
>Junko's fight where it was balanced around Pointdevice
That explains everything about LoLK

Are there any tricks for keeping track of two overlapping patterns? I'm a normalshitter stuck on Sagume's first non-spell.

>>34659596
I just tried again and lost three lives to the first spell. There's no counter to it. Bombing does nothing because it's an Extra boss, active items aren't enough to deal with all the bullets.

>>34659761
Do you mean Cannibalistic Insect?

>>34659778
Yes. I figured it was clear, the first midboss spell is as easy to cheese as always with Raiko/Sumi.

What do you guys think is the easiest Extra? I thought DDC and WBaWC were pretty easy because of the high abundance of resources but once I started learning some of Flan's spells I found it to become easier despite not having as many resources as DDC and WBaWC. Flan's non spells are also very easy except for her last one

>>34659834
Also, for the record, those are the only three extras I have cleared so far

>>34659834
I beat Ran on my first try, so there's that.
Also, once you figure out the tricks (or watch someone else figure out the tricks in Youtube), Suwako is extremely easy.

>>34659804
It's incredibly simple, Anon. The yellow section is aimed at you, so you just stay calm in between the yellow part and one green part, then look for an opening to move into.

>>34659834
Probably Suwako
I have an unfocused perfect run on her stage and I wouldn't even consider myself that good

>>34659878
>Do you mean Cannibalistic Insect?
>Yes.
How did you get this confused?

>>34659926
drain bamage
Sorry then, don't really have any advice for it. I do find it a lot more forgiving than Junko's version though, even on her easier difficulties.

I was practicing Tenkyuu's final spell over and over, but I could never figure out the fourth part. So I just fucking stabbed her and got my first UM 1CC.

>>34650384
Most of the LNNs are with ReimuB

Lost again to Tenkyu, looks like Sakuya's been dethroned as the Touhou character I pretend I'm chasing when I'm on the exercise bike.

>>34662383
Lasers?
That card really sucks if you die just once. If anything, I say it fits for the Tengu.
Like Ringo said, you can't get hit even once.

>>34662461
It's getting late...
Fuck the cards. I thought it was over until she pulled a fast one at the end.

>>34659640
It's pretty much memorization so it can be tough. Here's a tip that saved my ass: on the screen before the boss with the white bullets, stay at the edge of the bottom left corner and don't move until you see one of the bullets coming horizontally towards you, dodge up, and then down back to the corner. It's pretty much the safest way to avoid damage, also, I recommend Reimu C.

>>34662518
Thanks for the tip, I'll keep it in mind. I've gotten to the point where I can reliably make it to Rika, but I'm usually low on bombs/lives by that point so I still need practice. C definitely feels like the right choice, I just need to get better at collecting items because I can never seem to max out my power.

>>34662565
If you're unaware, you can mash Z in SoEW to boost your fire rate and dish out more damage, it certainly helps right before the star walls where every enemy drops an S.

>>34662687
Oh shit, I actually didn't. Thanks I'll give it a try.

>>34662687
Gave it one last try tonight. Holy shit you weren't kidding. This is super helpful for powering up during that phase. Not sure how much I'll use it during Rika but I'll at least try to keep it in mind. Thank you!

>>34652987
so is it out now?
if not can you predict when will it arrive

I can't keep doing it
This card gimmick is fun but it's absolutely INFURIATING when you get a good card and then fuck up your run; whether you reset and have to do runs with worse early cards or keep playing at a disadvantage you're the loser
In a way this frustrates me more than wholly punishing gimmicks like the UFOs

Fast maid

>>34663071
>whether you reset and have to do runs with worse early cards or keep playing at a disadvantage you're the loser
I always get the discounted prices by stage two, and if I fuck up by the end of Sannyo, then I just redo the run. Smoking dragon makes or breaks a run for me if it's available.
>>34663071
>I can't keep doing it
You'll get there Anon. Keep at it.

>>34663172
I've been using the pipe and Saki's card which I thought was Kagerou until I checked the wiki; I get what they're going for but it's still not what I would've thought of, but sometimes it feels like the pipe makes me play worse, trying to hold out when I should obviously be bombing, fucking up and losing at least 5 bombs. I probably need to start with a defensive card instead of Saki's but I like having that firepower bonus in the early stages and it never stops being at least a little useful

Imagine the shitstorm if Zun had included a card like "Mima's staff" or "Shinki's wings"

Am I the only one who see hot air balloons in the background of Tenkyuu's spellcards?

>>34663464
I say it's added pressure. Just get the card and forget it's there.
>defensive card
the Magatama are a must, that or Yachie+Eiki's card

>>34663646
You're the only one
You're the chosen one

>>34662818
Looks like Reimu is fully translated, and the other shots just lack the endings (Marisa's endings are in progress, being 27% done). For comparison, before I went to bed, Sakuya and Sanae only had the demo stages translated, and no ending was translated.
At this rate, it'll be complete today, but it's not like I have any inside information, so I may be wrong.

>>34663743
are you sure it all could be completed in this day or two?
desu it would be nice for it to be that because i want to play it with EN patch

FINALLY normal 1cc'd with every shot type on eosd. Feels good.
Marisa A > Marisa B > Reimu B > Reimu A

God, I hate how all the bosses post LoLK fucking wander everywhere. I'm sick of clearing a spellcard only to get wall'd by a nonspell because the boss was positioned too low on the screen. This shit seems to get worse each game.

>>34665184
I've noticed they have way too much vertical movement now. In older games they moved around but never to the bottom of the screen.

>>34654597
And the endings, nothing yet?

>>34663159

>>34665636
just check
https://www.thpatch.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&x=D&language=en

>>34669655
>sees main page after looking at the progress
>sees ID on a few of the games
oh no
i shudder in fear because i know how cringe worthy baseline ID netizen are
i know of it because i'm one

>>34665078
Congrats anon!

>>34663646
Chimata's? They're more like paper lamps or something, but yeah.

EoSD Reimu A wasn't as bad as I expected. Marisa A is still the biggest pain in the ass to 1cc with.

Finally got around to try a bit of Touhou 18 and it's a lot harder than I expected, especially compared to 16 and 17

>>34673459
Wait until you get to the later stages if you haven't already. The cards make the game a cakewalk, but it's nothing to scoff at.

>>34673459
at first I thought it was hard but it's really just learning to understand the patterns, once you do it becomes one of the easier games

>>34673468
>>34673478
It's mostly the power loss after dying that's fucking me hard, since I've been practicing lunatic for a few months I thought it'd be a breeze to clear in hard but I was wrong

>>34673486
yeah the power loss is the worst part for sure, especially with how chaotic stages get if you're not playing Sanae, so I just slap on these two to avoid death entirely

What card combo do you need to make Sakuya work in 18? I'm struggling to get her through Stage 2 without bombing even with Saki's power boost

>>34672144
People undersell Reimu A because they are prejudiced against homing shots. Her damage isn't that bad, and it's only really an issue on stage 4.

>>34673577
What part are you struggling on. If it's Takane, you just need focus and move along the waves.

>>34673585
It's the sections with the fairies that shoot red bullets in all directions, mainly the one after the midboss fight. I feel like it takes too long to reposition my knives and kill them and I die to the unrepressed buildup of bullets

>>34673577
I just give her a bunch of familiars, she does enough damage on her own to melt cards so it's better to cover her weak spots than go all in

>>34672144
>Marisa A is still the biggest pain in the ass to 1cc with
Really? I felt like marisa b is even more of a pain in the ass desu.

>>34673577
None, really. Memorization helps a lot more so that you know when to spread and when to focus. You can throw on Reimu(amulet), Sanae(snake), and Alice to give you some extra help during stages, but Saki and any of the forward-shot equipment aren't really necessary since her base shot is so strong. Or, you could use Raiko, Sumi, and Byakuren to always have an emergency C press to wriggle out of a jam.

>>34673608
Well, I don't have access to my computer right now, but it's a star design. I move right in that portion since the safezone leads me there before Takane shows up in the initial round.

>>34673647
Star-like I mean. Five points.

>>34673584
To play Reimu A, I need to take a few days off of EoSD because I'm so used to the amount of damage that Marisa A/Reimu B does. And Marisa B's master spark wiping away all the spellcards I don't wanna deal with.

>>34673608
Oh. I misread that.
I still start left and move right. If I want the items, I just bomb since I'll probably get one back anyway. Yeah you'll need to memorize it, but you're better off navigating around the cluster of bullets or trying to since you'll find a similar issue at stage 4.

>>34673627
Marisa A is a bomblet.
Marisa B has Master Spark.
I'm always bombing Stage 5 midboss Sakuya's last attack because it's confusing overwhelming shit and it usually takes me 3 fucking bombs to get rid of.

>>34673864
>and it usually takes me 3 fucking bombs to get rid of
*with Marisa A.

Is it just me or are the Equipment cards all useless except for Reimu's homing?

>>34673903
Shanghai is good, you can even make her shoot Sakuya's ricochet knives

>>34673910
Shanghai Doll feels weak to me, to be honest.
>you can even make her shoot Sakuya's ricochet knives
What?

>>34673903
I get good use out of all the homing ones and mini-hakkero missiles

>>34673925
>What?
Equip Shanghai in the first slot and the red knives on the 3rd slot

how the fuck do you beat a touhou game in lunatic

>>34674089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

What are the two cards I'm missing here?

>>34673910
>it's true
>only works with the ricochet and no other bullets
that's both cool and a shame, I was hoping it might at least give Cirno's a use by having Shanghai shotgun shit

>>34674111
Centipede (beat EX boss) and Barley Rice (buy boss card after clearing stage 5)

>>34674112
actually I just tried this with a different setup and something else happened
it looks like the ricochet knives will come out of whatever the earliest equipment card you have is, so you can have Myon firing knives or Cirno's icicle firing knives
seems like a bug

>>34674177
happens with non-offensive ones too lol

>>34674177
>>34674207
It's a hidden feature

>>34674214
it's funny
especially on the UFO

Well finally got a lunatic 1cc in this game, started cards were Wolf/RedKnives/Jizo
The tabacco vamipire thing didn't seem to help me a lot in lunatic

>>34674207
ZUN is just a treasure.

>>34674118
Thanks anon!

what's the button to take a screenshot in this game

>>34674443
printscreen like everyone else
paste in paint or in the browser.

>>34674443
It's still Home like the other games, they get saved in AppData\Roaming\ShanghaiAlice\th18\snapshot\

What's the most damaging passive combo?

The red knives are the only card that isn't spawning for me. Trying to brute force the unlock code as we speak.

>>34675107
you gotta 1cc with Sakuya, any difficulty

>>34675118
Thank you. I was wondering why I could get the other girl's but not hers.

>>34674221
I'm gonna be so upset if knife ufo gets patched out.

>>34673864
All you need to do for misdirection is stay at the bottom of the screen and tap stream to one side very slowly. It takes awhile to get rid of but its easy with practice.

>>34675463
ZUN doesn't even bother patching game breaking glitches if they aren't found in the demo, you'll probably be fine.

>>34659834
Gonna second MF and PCB. They have a few tricky spellcards but overall it's not too tough once you figure those out

>>34675463
>knife ufo
what's this?

>>34663071
I wouldn't sweat it so much. Once you have two slots to start with and a couple of really useful ones, you're not really praying for RNG to save your run and have a fair shot at clutching it out with any configuration

>>34665184
>On that one Chimata spell with the big semicircles that form under you
>methodically streaming it towards the top of the screen
>Chimata fucking swoops down and wrecks my shit outta nowhere

>>34637638
It's nice for challenge random runs I guess. Start with jizo (for an extra life), patchy's circle (for an extra bomb), and megumu's rice (so you can get max power by the end of stage 1). Then pick the blank card at the end of stage 1, and then just play with whatever you get at the end of stage 2.

>remilia's card
Holy shit this is far better than I thought. Stab them in the face at the beginning of every spellcard makes life so much easier.

>>34675970
set UFO to first slot
set ricochet knives to second/third slot
watch UFO go

>>34676387

>>34676016
Use Okina's door, makes the spell a cakewalk.

>>34676016
It's pretty easy to route. Just corner->middle of screen->corner and repeat, when Chimata comes out you can kill her going from bottom with any shot

I can't figure out any strat for Dragon Eater, and it's killing my runs. Like, losing three lives to it levels of killing.
On a related note, I wish it were easier to recover power in the Extra.

>>34676016
Who are you quoting?

>>34677221
Misdirect the wave between left and right. Once the wave going right comes down, you should be on the left for her to aim on the next wave. Go only halfway first so you get some space to dodge those backward bullets.

>>34677409
Is that really the best way? It was what I tried first, and it does sort of work, but the increasing density quickly makes it feel overwhelming. It also means you barely get any time in front of her.

>keep getting game over at lunatic stage 4 in touhou 18
Am I not bomb-spamming enough?

>>34677453
>It also means you barely get any time in front of her.
This is why I used Sanae.

>>34677221
>I wish it were easier to recover power in the Extra.
That's why you bring the coon

>>34677233
He's a time traveler quoting me.
On that one Chimata spell with the big semicircles that form under you, you should be methodically streaming it towards the top of the screen.
Of course, you have to be quick, last time I tried I was doing well but then Chimata fucking swoops down and wrecks my shit outta nowhere

>>34677572
Actually, you can stay at the bottom of the screen and move back and forth through three positions (like middle, left, mid, right, repeat), then once you end up in the middle after she comes back, switch to slowly moving upwards. If you have enough power, you'll cap it before reaching her.

>>34677475
You're not a filthy bomb hugger, are you?

>>34677644
>why yes I spam bombs, how could you tell?

>>34677676
You are so obviously a /v/ tourist that it hurts

>>34677475
>>34677676
Who are you quoting?

Turns out the strat for both Cannibalistic Insect and Dragon Eater was to drop a fucking sun on her, job done. Feels a little bad relying on shop RNG since I packed the other three cards to start, but a win's a win. Not looking forward to doing the stage portion as Mari or Sakuya though.

>>34676016
Chimata kick!

>>34677082
This. Feels like cheating.

I've reached the point where I can now reach Rika without losing any lives during the stage although I've noticed that my current strategy nets me a way lower score than I would get previously, so I don't get as many extra lives anymore. I should probably figure out a new strategy to deal with the wave of crows that doesn't result in me missing most of the point items. Other than that it's just a matter of not fucking up.
Oh also Rika's third phase with her bullets in the triangle pattern absolutely destroys me currently. I'm amazed at how deceptively tricky it is. Or maybe I'm just being retarded.

>>34674760
thanks

>>34677695
>>34677821
You guys are no fun.

>>34678293
How many times can you even use the sun in the extra boss? Once? The cooldown is way too long.

>>34678335
>>34677676

Does the gluttonous centipede card spawn halfway through or after the extra stage?

>>34678432
After

>>34678454
well shit

>>34678336
Twice, actually. That's literally what I meant, that I used it on Cannibalistic Insect (boss spell #1) and Dragon Eater (boss spell #8). I played through the intervening attacks normally, and the cooldown conveniently ended right in the middle of the first wave of Dragon Eater. With higher DPS characters, this might be a problem, but you could milk easy spells like Cave Swarmer, Shield Method, or Snake Eater to give it some extra time.

>>34677475
>>34677676

>>34678335
It's holosimps getting mad at touhou gameplay discussion in touhou gameplay thread on touhou board.

I think I discovered a bug in UM. When you unlock spell practice, spells are unlocked for all characters. If you complete a spell with a character on a stage it hasn't unlocked yet, practice will unlock for that character in that stage. For example, I didn't finish the game with Sakuya, but I could unlock stage 6 for Sakuya by capturing one of Tenkyu's spellcards.

>>34681144
This is a neat find.

>>34676016
I am sure that was ZUN's idea to have everyone experience it on the first blind attmept because it's so natural to move upwards when there's shit in semicircles forming under you.

>>34676016
Here's my strat for that (too big for 4chan): https://files.catbox.moe/uhox9z.webm
Basically I go up in a straight line, staying as low as possible until the second red wave, then I swoop down to the bottom and can usually kill her within 1 cycle.

>>34681144
I thought everyone knew this, games after TH12 with Spell Practice tend to do that

>>34683088
I just do a motion like this until the boss shows up. As soon as the higher card spawns I move upward and toward the opposite corner, swooce through the ring from below to the right, and move back down to the bottom.

>>34684341
Just realized I made all four arrows point the wrong direction in my schematic. Do not follow my schematic.

Snake Eater is bullshit. That is all.

>>34686192
Move quickly in a wide arc back and forth across the bottom and halfway up the sides, don't give the snakes a chance to hit you with their wiggles.

>first time to final spell
>capture it
that was a fun ride, almost took as many tries as LoLK extra.

>>34686325
I do (unless I'm using Reimu, in which case I just do full circles around her) but there's still a chance every so often that one of them decides to completely miss the mark and wall you in. It's not the hardest card by any means, but that slight occurrence happening once in a while has tilted me more than any other pattern in the series.

>>34684341
>>34684388
It's neat how everyone has a different approach to this card.

Dog "jokes" were undoubtedly the hardest part of PCB Sakuya 1cc. Tried extra, suffered through another round of "u dog lmao" and got my ass kicked.

>>34687308
Now do it with Sakuya B

>>34687315
>Now do it with Sakuya B
Give him a break.

>games gimmick is money and merchants
>all the bosses have the jew star
what did ZUN mean by this

>>34674443
get sharex

>>34687331
You do it with Sakuya B too

>>34687689
I'm not mentally prepared to play the games right now.
I'm off my balance.

>>34687315
No, fuck it, too gimmicky.

Just died to Flandre Scarlet again. Her second card is a fucking dick

Can someone please explain the DDC Sakuya A damage exploit to me? I wanted to fuck around with it because it seemed pretty funny but the actual damage boost seems really inconsistent, sometimes it's fucking absurdly huge and others it's just a very little boost. Is there some sort of specific timing for switching between focus/unfocus that gives me the maximal possible damage output, or what does it depend on? I notice sometimes the explosions are huge and other times they are really small, I assume that's what indicates the amount of damage they deal but I don't know how to maximize it.
Also for some reason it only seems to work when I am extremely close to the bosses, and if I am near the bottom of the screen the damage is almost completely negligible. As far as I know Sakuya's damage wasn't really dependent on distance to the enemy like Marisa's, so why does the damage of the knife explosions increase so much when I'm close to the boss?

>>34687689
Not him but I love Sakuya B. My favorite shot type in all of Touhou.

>>34687971
It's basically free once you figure out (or look up) the route. If you're complaining about that one and not Cranberry Trap, you'll be fine.

Got my first Mystic Square 1cc.
I think it's one of my favorite touhous.

I just did a NNB on EoSD with MarisaB. I only had three misses. This is probably the best I have ever done on a 1CC. Next, I will move on to HNB and NNN

>>34688628
Congratulations, and good luck! Sounds like a fun goal.

>>34688761
Thank you! Challenge runs on Normal might seem unimpressive but I do them to prepare myself for challenge runs on higher difficulty settings. If I can't clear Normal without bombs and/or misses, then I can't clear Hard and Lunatic without bombs and/or misses.

>>34688079
IIRC, you focus and move for the knives. It's really just a toggle game. On off on off on off. They lock too, so you don't have to move much. Just be careful on how you do it.

1CC'd Touhou 2-5 over the past couple days. Gonna try for a HRtP 1CC, though if it doesn't go well I'll probably put it off more since the game can get really annoying.

>>34689163
What's your next Extra clear gonna be?

>>34689209
I'm gonna aim for Flandre's extra next

>>34689347
Have fun! That is currently my most recent Extra clear. You might have an easier time dodging "Maze of Love" with Reimu than Marisa

>>34689406
Ah yeah I'd heard about that one. I'll try the stage as Marisa for a bit and clear the game as Reimu if I hit a dead end.

Trying to play the Extra as Mari is Ultra Turbo Premium Perfect Golden God Cancer. Remember when she used to do damage? Remember when Master Spark was good?

I know it's a subjective question, but is 4 bombs enough to beat Junko? I just went out of Clownpiece's fight with 2 power and 4 bombs as Reimu, but am taking a break for now. I've only beaten 6-8+10 normal if that counts as a metric

>>34690865
For UM? Yeah, ZUN needs to stop nerfing her so hard.

>>34689163
Okay yeah fuck this, game over'd five times at the hell boss and that's the easier one.

I spent the past hour and a half 1cc-ing all of lotus land story's normal shottypes.
Gonna try hard mode because that shit was too fucking easy.

This thread is so green I think I'll leave for a while.

>>34690865
I think people are overselling how bad she is. She was my first extra clear, and with proper card usage, it's still one of the easier Extras.
But yeah, I wish she got a more fun shot type, and that ZUN stopped recycling shots for every game.
I want my piercing lasers back, at least.

>>34634864
I'm trying to play tuhu 6 but the framerate won't lock at 60 even if I go in and check it in the settings, and the game runs at 4000fps on my computer so I can't play it. Can anyone help?

>>34693989
use vsync patch

Reimu's hair doesn't have shading in all facial expressions in UM. God dammit ZUN.

I'm not sure this is the right place to ask but every touhou game I attempt to run does so at between 15-25 fps and attempts to use like 30% of my cpu. I've spent two days looking for resources on this and literally nothing has helped me. I've attempted the game with and without the vsync patch on, and I've tried what I believe to be both thcrap and non thcrap versions I have downloaded. I'm currently attempting to run tuhu 7 and still having this issue.

>>34694081
Thanks!

I want to 1cc UFO or DDC next but their resource farm systems are annoying distracting bullshit.

>>34690865
all she needs is her focus and unfocused shots swapped with HSiFS-tier laser damage, she doesn't even need piercing (though she should have it)
her angled lasers are so pointless and the delay on her missiles makes her slower at defeating stage fairies than other characters, so she gets completely overwhelmed in stages all for the trade-off of slightly above average damage that falls off the moment you have to move to the left or right

>>34695944
I'd recommend using Marisa A for UFO, not because she's the best shot, but because her piercing laser removes frustration by letting you kill UFOs with precision.
It really is a very fun system, but it's difficult at first when you also have to account for fairies blocking your UFOs, or your screen covering shots hitting the UFOs when you try to clear out other enemies.

>>34695944
UFO's the only game I don't have a Lunatic 1cc in and it's precisely because of the UFO system, I have no desire to ever play it outside of Boss Rush mods

>>34691016
Subjectively lmao

>>34694841
vsync usually helps alleviate some framerate issues, but there's also a bug involving some directinput shit that also causes the game's framerate to suffer quite a bit. if you use a wireless mouse or a tablet or some other external input method try removing it and running the game. that said i don't think the fps should get that low unless you are playing on a toaster

>>34695944
What the fuck are you talking about? DDC is the most straightforward and fun system, it's all about going above the line of collection to maximize the items you collect which is something you SHOULD be doing anyway in every single game to get higher score and [P].

>>34688580
Congrats, anon. I'm not much of a fan of having to gather 100 point items for a life, but it's still a really good game, it has one of my favorite extra stages.

>>34696904
I'm tempted to do suicidal runs to the top of the screen to schlorp my goodies which I do and die like an idiot. I don't like being bamboozled into killing myself.
>to get higher score
Score is for homos.

>>34697849
Looks like Touhou is not for you, maybe a game like Minecraft is more your speed.

Does anyone else have an issue with the newer games where your inputs sometimes get locked in? Like, sometimes whenever I hit a direction I'll end up continuing in that direction until I tap the button again. Only happens in 17 and 18.

>>34697849
Here's something you may not have realized: you can effectively trade bombs for life pieces. Instead of going up to the POC when there's a ton of stuff on screen, just bomb to auto-collect and (if you've timed it right) get a life piece. This is especially useful early-game, because your bomb stock resets when you die; if you start converting those extra bombs to lives, you'll have less to lose from a miss.

What cards am I supposed to be using as a scrub who needs three continues to get past Sannyo on normal

>>34698493
that depends on what you're struggling with

>>34698500
getting hit

>>34698525
Try one of these cards. The former has a chance to remove bullets around you at random, and the latter will automatically bomb for you upon getting hit if you have at least 2 bombs left so you can just focus on dodging.

>>34698493
>three continues to get past Sannyo
No cards will save you, you need practice.

>>34695944
I continued 10 times on UFO Normal against Byakuren with Marisa today before getting so frustrated that I Alt+F4'd reflectively. I fucking hate UFOs and I hope they fucking die. Fuck Nue. Fuck.

>>34698392
Combine this with MarisaB on Stage4 to go BRRRRRR with 2.0 bonus.

>>34697849
>I'm tempted to do suicidal runs to the top of the screen to schlorp my goodies which I do and die like an idiot.
Just bomb. You'll have like 7 of them by the end of stage 2. You can practically bomb to collect instead of avoid. That's what I do.

Any tips on how to get better at bombing?Practice of cource but is there anything else I can do?

>>34698770
Do you mean deathbombing? You can try standing still in stages with homing shots and try to predict when the bullets hit you. It comes down to knowing your bullet hitboxes well and quickly reacting to situations where you can't escape.

I miss instakill fairies on older games bros. As of recently all fairies feel super tanky to kill. SA/UFO fairy HPs were perfectly balanced IMO.

>>34698770
Bomb before you're about to die. Bomb if it seems like you MIGHT not make it, before you put it to the test. If you try to only bomb at certain death (whether it's imminent or actual deathbombing) you'll sometimes be too late and waste resources. Better to "waste" them on a pattern that you might've captured then actually waste them by throwing them away with a death

>>34698836
>Bomb before you're about to die
That reminds me.
Deathbomb in 18 costs 1 now. The card uses 2.

>>34698493
Start playing Easy Modo. Best card in game is Moko's feather, all my 1cc so far were with it.
>>34698570
>The former has a chance to remove bullets around you at random
This is somewhat wrong - it has a chance to remove bullets when you graze them, meaning you will certainly remove many bullets by grazing a ton of bullets at the same time. I find it very useful aganst Misumaru (4 boss) spellcards.

>>34698894
I already beat easy mode but I want to beat the game on a real difficulty. I also grabbed the third card slot.

>>34698894
desu I value the utility of other cards keeping you alive longer more than Mokou's card giving you more lives to throw away

>>34696724
I've tried vsync and everything, I have way over the ram requirements listed as well. I've tried plugging my mouse in and out and it doesn't seem to change anything at all. At this point I'm not sure if the copy I have is just patched wrong or something.

>>34698917
If you have three card slots, then I'd suggest Eiki, Yachie, and Raiko to start. If you can pick up Byakuren, Mamizou, Patche, Sumi, or Megumu along they way, go for them, otherwise take lives.
I can personally vouch for this because those three starters plus Byakuren were what got me a NNM.

>>34699428
Alright. Thanks.
Who is the noob character this game? Sanae or Reimu?

>>34699569
they both have their strengths, but if you don't feel confident enough to go unfocused a lot of the time then Sanae's probably better for the consistent damage homing damage on her focus shots
her bombs are also way better if you're a panic bomber

>>34699428
lmao still lost all lives on sannyo's first spell. Holy FUCK I am trash

>>34699714
Used a continue and got hit on every single wave from her second non spell. Jesus fucking christ I should just kill myself already.

>>34699714
You gotta bomb, dude. Eiki will save you from dumb misses that you didn't see coming, but when you do see something coming or when you get to an attack that you know you cant do consistently, then as they say, 安全第一.

ill never doubt that feathers usefulness again

>>34699714
Take a break, watch some videos, and then try again tomorrow, anon.

>>34700106
I dont fucking understand. I dont fucking understand. Ive been sitting in spell practice for half an hour on this single fucking spell card and I just cant do it. I literally fucking cant.
Am I mentally retarded? What's wrong with me? Am I too old? Too stupid? Did my parents drop me on my head as a baby and never tell me? Why am I so incredibly fucking incompetent

>>34699927

>>34700140
you’re just a drama queen

>>34700274
I'm a worthless piece of human garbage that should fucking die

>>34698917
The most retard-proof combination I tried is Eiki, Tewi and Eirin. Make sure to gather as many resources (money+bomb pieces) as possible in the first 2 stages and by then you'll probably need to take like 6 hits until you actually die. Basically Eiki and Eirin's cards tank hits for you and Tewi helps make both of them more sustainable. With that the only thing you need to buy after each stage is extra lives, and Saki's card if you come across it since that's always useful. Probably Kaguya's card too.

>>34699714
Start with LoLK Moon in your deck when you start your next run then. Save it through stage 3, but know the final spell is a pain in the ass.

>>34700286
Same but there’s no need to be all gay about it

>>34700140
Just avoid bullets lmao.

Is it just me or is the stage portion of UM stage 6 really fucking annoying? The bullet spam gets super annoying to get around, and the fairies are tanky as shit.

>>34700300
Also I should probably mention explicitly that this is more stupid if you actually attempt to deathbomb instead of just taking the hits, since Tewi's card makes it considerably easier and saving bombs is crucial for Eirin's card to be effective for longer.

>>34700436
It is a bit, but still pretty standard for a final stage as far as I'm concerned. You just have to make use of the whole screen for movement and not be surprised by fairies spawning on your ass.

>>34698570
>the latter will automatically bomb for you upon getting hit if you have at least 2 bombs left
It will also bomb if you have just one bomb left.

>>34688079
Well I ended up figuring it out, it just needs a pretty specific rhythm to get the most damage. I still don't know why it works much better at close range but that's good enough for me.
The result is still really goofy.

>>34700648
Oh, it does? My bad.

>>34689163
>>34691404
Decided to give it another go after my ragequit last night and managed to clear it!

>>34699927
I was going to congratulate you but you had to be annoying in the worst way possible.

Story of Shitty Stupid Terrible Game Wonderland.

>>34701712
SoEWfags destroyed

>>34701712
git gud.

>>34701712
phantasmagoria of doo doo

>>34701712
Lotus Lame Story

>>34701712
Legacy of PooPooPiss Kingdom

>>34701712
Double Penetration Character

>>34702536

Does the shop not reset if you pause and restart game after buying a card?

>>34701712
Just tap bro. I actually hate the tapping mechanic.
>>34702785
I'd believe it. Hitting restart after buying Chimata's card leaves you with no cards at all in stage 1, forcing you to manually return to the main menu for your starting cards back.

>>34702785
Yeah, I've never properly tested it, but I'm pretty sure that when restarting from the pause menu, cards you owned in the previous attempt won't show up in shops.
If this applies to not just the previous one attempt, but all previous attempts since leaving the main menu, it's potentially a way to guarantee a certain set of purchasable cards, though it would take a lot of patience.

>>34702886
>>34703240
I thought it was weird that the boss cards stopped appearing after playing for a bit without returning to the title screen. I think I'll test it a bit and see what happens.

>>34699714
There you go. 6th attempt, and probably because I have just woken up to your whining. The key is anticipation.
https://mega.nz/file/HRwwCSAY#kNSzcPks78QAb843jEat3B1SLZkTrQSD5_bZYqUa9Ao

>>34693224
>it's still one of the easier Extras
I mean, it is among the six out of twelve mainline Extras I've been able to clear, so technically I can't disagree, but it's definitely the hardest of those six in my opinion.
That aside, I've cleared with everyone except Mari, yet after dozens of attempts she's still giving me trouble. Unlike Sakuya, she can't shoot while bombing (or rather, Momoyo is invincible during her bombs), so I need to pack Okuu for Dragon Eater. Then I need some sort of homing equipment to end Shield Method before it gets overwhelming, and also to help out with Snake Eater and Mushihime-sama. But then I also need some sort of active card to get through Mine Blast and Kodoku Gourmet, and Mine Dump to a lesser extent. But having Mamizou is also really important for the later part of the fight. There are too many cards that feel required; she just has too many weaknesses to cover and nothing to make up for them.
I got to Mushihime-sama once and died on the third phase, so it's definitely possible for me, but I'll have to play at my absolute limit and have good RNG. None of the other characters were nearly as unforgiving.

>>34690865
I don't understand what ZUN is trying to do with her. She used to be the single target dps while Reimu was the easier homing character, but now Reimu is the best of both worlds while Marisa does literally nothing. She felt kinda good in the demo, but ZUN just completely dumpstered her.

>>34705194
The worst part is that Sakuya rose from being the worst shot in the demo to being one of the best, if not the best.

How does Tsukasa's card fare with Mamizou's? You'd basically be able to use spell cards infinitely (except cooldowns) and not go below 3 power.

>>34705667
Mamizou's card clearly says "if you are hit". Tsukasa's card doesn't meet this condition and will reduce your power below 3.0.

Now that the dust has settled, which of Sakuya's gameplays do you like the most?

>>34654307
Honestly, I wouldn't say Lily belongs in bottom tier. It's just a card that you can decide to pick if you want to spice up the game a little bit, and you get a spellcard fragment as well. It's more of a "neutral" card.

>>34705337
Sakuya's far from being the best. She's not as good or as bad as people say she is, just a fun little gimmick playstyle. I would never take her for a serious run but I would recommend her over Marisa every time.

>>34706227
IN for covering the whole screen with knives.

>>34706227
Probably UM Sakuya to be honest. It's pretty much PCB Sakuya B which was my favorite but with even more options since now you also have control over how much the bullets spread out. I just wish getting back to a neutral position was immediate like in PCB, then it would be literally perfect. The damage buff really helped a lot, too.

>>34706227
UM for polish, but I like PCB as well.
UM Sakuya I can say is the best version thus far.

>>34703240
>Yeah, I've never properly tested it, but I'm pretty sure that when restarting from the pause menu, cards you owned in the previous attempt won't show up in shops.
That explains it.

>summon lily
>delete her with remilia fang
free resources

>>34708810
You must be having a laugh, have you even played her? Her on-target damage is so ridiculous and deals with bosses so quickly, it far outweighs the small downside of having to route stages a bit more carefully due to lack of homing. Especially if you go all-in with damage buffs, she starts feeling practically broken.

>>34711803
Pair it with Remi's fang and you can clear Mike's final in less than 8 seconds

>>34711813
It doesn't work well with Misamaru, but it works for Megu and Chimata, though not as much for the last spellcard.

>>34711803
I have played her, and her damage isn't worth the lack of consistency the shrine maidens have especially when centipede card can make any character do the same thing without sacrificing their other strengths (of which Marisa has none).

>>34711878
>her damage isn't worth the lack of consistency the shrine maidens have
translation: Homing shot > Having to aim
That's all you had to say.

>>34711878
>centipede card
Okay, if you're doing NMNB anyway, I don't see how it even matters what character you play.

>>34711803
I remember when Sakuya was weakest in the demo.