/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>35551410
probably gonna be #1 nukige on the yearly rankings

>>35551467
>>35551410
Is role players a nukige? Is there any plot at all or is it just sex sex sex?

>>35551869
2 pages of nothing but sex

>>35551410
Nice oppai

>>35551869
Sex is plot.

>>35551989
Definitely better than Milk Factory's shit.

>>35551869
it's an eroge, yes.

>>35551869
Speaking of, what's some eroge that blends sex and plot masterfully?
I'll start by mentioning 仏蘭西少女. Thought 青い空のカミュ also did a decent job at it.

>>35552041
Apeiria

>>35552074
Why is Japanese sex talk so barbaric, animalistic and bug-eyed?

>>35552104
I dunno man. How does it compare to English? I've come to the recent realization that I have zero idea what dirty talk in English is like.

>>35552629
This is not about sex talk per se, but Japanese erotic literature is obscenely explicit for some reason, talking about descending wombs and the individual folds in the vagina. It's worse when the girl gives a running commentary about how exactly her partner's cock is hitting her womb. It reminds me of an autopsy, and the characters talking remind me of birds or of insects.

In English, even the most degenerate work has enough prudence to hold the human body with a bit of reverence. Descriptions of sex can be extremely detailed but without crossing the line so that it becomes a medical report. I'm not entirely sure why this is so - it's probably because Japan's view on sex and sexuality developed completely separately from Greco-Roman aesthetics.

>>35552703
>It's worse when the girl gives a running commentary about how exactly her partner's cock is hitting her womb. It reminds me of an autopsy, and the characters talking remind me of birds or of insects.
Sounds hot

>>35552703
womb kissing, 種付け, 孕ませる, 子宮落ちる are the fucking hottest. i also want x-rays in reality so i can see where my dick is in relation to her womb. would really motivate me to push deeper to get a chance at that sweet womb kiss. mfw girls in reality instead bitch about how getting their cervix hit hurts.

>>35553091
>>35553265
Are you two in the medical field?

赤ちゃんの部屋

>>35552629
Have sex

>>35553275
No? If anything being in the medical field is what would make it not hot.
If you don't expect "realism" out of your porn and the only porn you consume is Japanese then those expression and style of writing become hot.

>>35553529
>the only porn you consume is Japanese
I don't even know how to get non-Japanese porn aside from going to shitty streaming sites (gross).

>>35553547
You find it in the woods.

>>35553298
l-lewd

Is sagaoz guide for sumaga good enough?

>>35553695
yes

What are some games with good guy sexists?

>>35554244
Why's he wearing a military uniform to school? Is a he a chunni?

>>35554257
Ahem, he was in 横浜基地衛士訓練学校 which is in fact a school.

>>35554357
There's a VN about the self-defense forces?

>>35554389
All of them are glorified with mecha shit

>>35554451
That's pretty gay actually

>>35553547
There are comics like Alfie and I Roved Out in Search of Truth and Love

>>35553743
thx!

I just came back from deployment since October. What are some good releases you guys would recommend since then?
Also I just found out that the last Kara no Shoujo has been released since December so that was a nice surprise.

>>35552041
>青い空のカミュ
The game where 95% of the ero is in throwaway bad endings combines ero and plot well? What the heck are your standards.
Camyu was a good example of how to not do it. In for the story? You won't give a shit about any of the the ero or throwaway bad endings. In for the suffer rape porn? You won't care about the entire story.

>>35555999
no one cares about that much about ero except retarded coomers like you lol
ero is like a nice addition, not something people read this vns for
otherwise musicus would be 1/10 instead of 9/10 because of how lame and lazy ero in musicus is

>>35554389
Innocent Bullet kinda, though the group is not as formal as self-defense, it is still government supported iirc. No mecha but some members (MC and heroines) have ESP.

>>35556041
>musicus
>9/10
Lmao

>>35556041
The question was, what blends ero and plot. There's nothing blending when 95% of the ero is entirely optional in scenes 100% designed for the ero while having absolutely 0 plot. Simple as that.

>>35556071
imo ye musicus is p good and really different from generic shit over all these years just ero isn't really here lol

>>35556087
It's only different in eroge medium. Otherwise it's pretty mediocre. Just cause something is different doesn't mean it is good.

>>35556087
Musicus h-scenes are pretty good because they are longer than 1 CG which seem to be the garbage standard nowadays, truly a cancer inherited from ero mobage

Though I admit that protag suddenly thinking about Plato in the middle of one made me kek

>>35556086
>The question was, what blends ero and plot. There's nothing blending when 95% of the ero is entirely optional in scenes 100% designed for the ero while having absolutely 0 plot. Simple as that.
idk what do you mean by this, just go to bad end, jerk off, load and go back to plot

>>35556087
>really different from generic shit
>when you have read nothing but eroge for the past two decades that generic shit like musicus seems unique

>>35556168
how musicus is generic when musicus is THIS different bro?
i do consume a lot of books tho

>>35556140
sumeragi art will make any h-scene good desu

>>35556157
Dude. Just look at the fucking post chain.

>>35556087
Saekano actually summed it up pretty nicely.
VNs are a combination of art, music and the text. Writing a VN like one writes a book is going to turn it into a kusoge. And this writer does that.

Still didn't stop Saekano to become utter shit later on (at least the anime with s2, I'm not reading LNs), but in that point it's correct. A VN is not a book.

>>35556221
>Still didn't stop Saekano to become utter shit later on
Cringe. Imagine being in this thread and still watching shitty anime adaptations instead of reading source material.

>>35556221
Saekano LN has a lot of cool commentary like this and the anime removed most of it. Second half of it is weird meta shit where the story goes on to comment on itself.

>>35556204
b-but there is no cumshot/creampie cg desu
i can't cum without sperm in cg

>>35556204
Yeah that too

>>35556341
Also true, there is room for improvement in that aspect

>萌えと退屈は紙一重なんだ
>萌えという感情はだな、少し退屈を感じるくらいの穏やかな状況でなければ、存分に堪能することはできないんだよ
>そう、生死の境や、世界の激動の狭間で感じるキャラクターの魅力は、その瞬間の現象と不可分だ。　つまり、その瞬間に感じている彼女の魅力とは、実は『今から死ぬのが可哀想なだけ』だったり、『大逆転勝利の感動に酔っているだけ』なのかもしれない。
>退屈なシーンで感じられる"可愛い" こそが、混じりっ気のない、真の可愛さだということが言えるんだと思うだがどうだろう
Is he right, moebutas?

>>35556579
Pretty spot on about the appeal of SoL charm of moe cuties

>>35556579
>Moe and boredom are a single piece of paper
> The feeling of moe can only be fully enjoyed in a calm situation that makes you feel a little bored.
> Yes, the charm of the character that you feel between life and death and the turbulent world is inseparable from the phenomenon at that moment. In other words, the charm she feels at that moment may actually be "I'm just sorry to die from now on" or "I'm just drunk with the excitement of a big turnaround victory."
> I think it can be said that "cuteness" that can be felt in a boring scene is pure and true cuteness.
Um... What?

>>35556579
Yep, moege is boring trash.

>>35556641
Bro... Did you just MTL that shit?

>>35556306
Shame that his current work (media mix maidens) isn't doing as well. Reading the comments at the end roasting him is more fun than the chapters themselves.

Explain ムジクス to me. Is it deep?

>>35554257
>Is a he a chunni?
I did it too (with a Samurai blade even) and I hate chuunis and chuuniVN.

>>35556641
lol retard change your mt, mine mtl looking good
>There's a fine line between moe and boredom.
>Moe is an emotion that can only be fully appreciated in a calm situation where you feel a little bored.
>Yes, the attraction of a character that you feel at the border between life and death, or between the turbulence of the world, is inseparable from the phenomenon of that moment.　In other words, the attraction you feel for her at that moment may actually be "I feel sorry for her because she's about to die" or "I'm just drunk with the excitement of her big comeback victory.
>In other words, the charm you feel for her at that moment may actually be that she's just sad that she's about to die, or that she's just drunk from the excitement of her big comeback victory.

>>35556579
>The difference between moe and boring is paper thin
>You cannot fully enjoy moe unless the situation is just a little bit boring
>Yes, a character's charm that you feel when the world is at upheaval or at the border between life and death is inseparable from that moment. In other words that charm you feel from her could be said as, "Ah, it would be awful is she died right now," or, "I am drunk on the bliss of a great and unexpected victory"
>And so I think the "cute" feeling you get from a boring scene is what can be called unadulterated, true cuteness

t. N3

Also I agree and very very few works get it right; I think the best that pulls it off is Yuru Yuri

>>35556710
Completely fucked that fourth line

>>35551410
Is there a premise similar to this but featuring girls with modest to flat breasts? I feel like my fetishes always align with the mega milkers which I am not a fan of.

>>35557065
Those are modest, though.

>>35552703
>In English, even the most degenerate work has enough prudence to hold the human body with a bit of reverence.
Talking like a 15 year old on Xbox Live is leagues apart from what you've described.

>>35557094
No, too rude.

>>35556579
>writing sucks ass, so story-based games are shit
>characters are trash, so character-based games are shit
>drama is awful, so drama-centered games are shit
>cute girls are cute
That's just the way it is. Trim away all the shit parts in almost any VN and you're left with a fairly enjoyable moege.

>>35557245
You just need to get rid of moebuta mindset, brother

>>35557255
No idea what your image of a moebuta is, but I arrived at this conclusion after going through the stages. I also enjoyed Dragonball as a teenager, but that was 20 years ago, I had my fill of hamfisted plot twists and cringey characters.
Don't get me wrong though, I won't pretend even for a moment that moege are high art, most of them are cheap trash.

Is it just me that think that the shinto religion is portrayed kinda fucked up in eroge? It's always human sacrifice, rape cults and eldritch horrors

>>35552703
You’re only looking at VNs. They have to be written that way to cater to their weird otaku audience who are into shit like that. There’s other types of Japanese erotica that do things differently.

>>35558481
I'm intrigued. What would those be?

>>35558481
Doujins, H-games and even simple CG sets are also full of those, so I'm not sure on what you are basing that statement since the erotica you mention is definitely a very small minority.

>>35558563
JAV.

Does anyone know where to find a crack for 9-nine-ここのつここのかここのいろ?

>>35558635
Even JAV is bug-eyed and insectoid. Their obsession with toys and the ultra close up camera angles remind me of when they stuck bayonets into women's vaginas in WW2. Does Japan not have anything resembling the sublimity of Greco-Roman tradition as it pertains to sexuality?

>>35558711
holy shit just use fucking nyaa and/or get drm-free version with both jp and en text in it, how one can be this fucking helpless oh god

>>35558794
>Greco-Roman tradition
You mean naked little boy wrestling?

>>35558806
Well fuck you too. The drm-free version didn't work for me and I already searched nyaa but whatever.

>>35558849
Unironically yes, and also the Birth of Venus

>>35552104
> 「うわっ！？　くせぇっ！　オバちゃんの腋、すっげぇくっせぇえっ！」
> 「本当だ！クンクンクンクン、すげぇ汗くっせぇえっ！」

>>35560028
I now want to play this game. Name?

>>35557255
You either have to be a moebuta or a simplistic retarded plotfag with low standards to enjoy VNs.

>>35560226
Eroge is special medium because you get plot AND h, while SoL common helps you to get into setting and characters, invest in them much more than you can invest in characters in most of anime, because you average vn takes much more time than your average anime.
Vns aren't inferior to other medium, vns are different.
You need to be truly braindead to spew bullshit like REEEE MUH b00KS ARE BETTER REEE

>>35560226
based, wish you could be my discord friend i have the same mindset about vns

>>35560723
>wish you could be my discord friend
Sure brother, hit me up.

>>35560749
https://discord.gg/UMWvCMW
if you feel like talking with people who are against chuggers and moebutas, by all means come

>>35560723
>>35560749
>>35560916
>discord

Once again, discord users prove that they are mentally ill.

>>35560982
You just know its one guy responding to himself

>>35560949
My username is dinuz! What about yours?

>>35560982
> mentally ill.
My ヤイバ does have the power to kill, so do pick your words.

>>35560723
>based
Upon what/whom?

She's gorgeous

His last work was released 14 years ago. When is he gonna come back to save the industry?

>>35562007
No one cares about VN industry. We should just accelerate its death.

>>35560275
The plot is usually terrible as fuck.

>>35562007
Never, overrated hack is overrated. First banished from VN industry, then anime industry did the same. Now writes puppet shit lmao, fitting end for a hack.

Hahahahaha, time for some princesses! I bought Kimi to Boku to Kishi no Hibi and Princess Kiss for ¥500 each for the DMM summer sale. I love princesses.

This one looks a bit undercooked but she's cute so I'll forgive her.

>>35562162
Contrarianism won't substitute your lack of personality.

>>35562162
To be fair it's pretty cool puppet shit

>>35562230
Its literally power rangers with puppets, cringe af

Speaking of Urobuchi, been thinking of reading Phantom. I see that the remake lists other writers and I assume that's to substitute for the sex scenes in the original? Either way, I'm just wondering if there's a difference in the script between the original and the remake.
>>35562230
not to further derail the thread with inane shit but puppets has been great and pretty refreshing
>>35562306
neck yourself faggot

>>35562162
He's just good at manufacturing cheap feels

>>35562318
There is one extra route that adapted anime but you can skip it if you want.

>>35562007
That Urobuchi? Where the fuck is he now? What's he working on nowadays?

>>35562934
https://project-obsolete.com/

Plus various spin-offs.

>>35562319
And that's still better than 99% of other works. They can't even make me feel anything except boredom from linear writing as well as mc's braindead inner dialogue.

How many worthwhile titles exist that were Vita-exclusive? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQtwVJLjMfw is getting an R18 port that looks pretty interesting, but that just might be my love for Faylan and chuuni influencing my thoughts. Makes me think what other similar quality games exist that may have fallen by the wayside by being exclusive to Vita.

>>35564168
I enjoyed 解放少女SIN and レコラブ. Doubt either of them will ever get ports, much less R-18 ones (although the latter in particular would be great to see).

>>35562162
still wrote the best VN nobody topped yet

>>35560275
>Vns aren't inferior to other medium, vns are different.
Due to limited exposure and the stigma attached to them VN's still haven't reached their full potential, as a format and a medium they are not inferior to books or manga or whatever, but as they are now you can't really measure the current VN's that are considered kamige to some of the greats in other mediums.

>>35552041
The closest I can think of is Erect which had decent prose and was a strangely enjoyable read but the plot of course was typical nukige shit. The game felt like it was supposed to be a genuine VN but the publisher told them 'no, you're gonna make a nukige'

>>35556666
>Explain ムジクス to me. Is it deep?
It's Setoguchi Renya so no, it's just pseud shit that impresses the twitter fart sniffers.

>>35564196
> 解放少女SIN
I want to read it. I enjoyed the 3DS game but was kinda lacking on story. SIN goes to the other extreme, no gameplay and full blown VN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bNeRL1cG-g

Well that was a fun game. Alex is obviously the most suspicious, but I could see a twist where it went the other way, or even the twist being that both Alex and Nagare were part of 輝きの同盟 but one of them tried to betray it and switch to the cult.

>>35563681
Looks interesting, although he's not directing it nor writing the scenario, still looks interesting.
>Plus various spin-offs.
Spin-offs of anime, I presume? I'm out of the loop in regards of anime but if he's making them then I'll watch.

Is there a moege with a lot of writing/narration? I tend to like that but basically everything I've read in that vein is plot heavy and all that jazz. I wondered if there is something that is just light/fluffy but has all the descriptive text and everything like a book.

>>35565881
Moege tends to keep narration simpler but it's still there most of the time. Prose is usually in first-person.
Daitoshokan is a pretty good example.

>>35564707
>stigma
Stigma keeps people we don't want to see in community away, stigma is good. Or what, you want fucking sjw here?
>>35562160
Nor much worse than anime/ln/manga plot, idk what are you going on about.
Just have some suspension of disbelief and enjoy things.

>>35566346
>Nor much worse than anime/ln/manga plot, idk what are you going on about.
That's setting the bar a little low

>>35566048
Well yeah I know that. I was just wondering if there was an example of one that was unusually detailed for the genre.

>>35566417
> comparing anime shit to other anime shit
REEEE SETTING BAR LOW
Are you high or something?

>>35565881
Have you read Oretsuba? Also, jesus what is with this new captcha

>>35566443
Other mediums are mostly overrated anyway. Most film is complete garbage. I don't know why people like to pretend there's any sophisticated about them. Don't get me started on television.

>>35566500
You're just jaded faggot at this point who forgot how to simply enjoy things.

>>35566473
That probably does fit what I'm asking for. I haven't read it despite it constantly being memed. I guess I should get to it some day.

>>35565881
Try tsuriotsu. Narrative isn't that strong, but dialogue writing is amazing.

>>35565881
There's trash like oretsuba with dense prose that doesn't pay any attention to cadence or the tempo of the scene but why the fuck would you want that? Just go read an LN at that point.

>>35564707
VNs were aimed at coomers and antisocial incels since the beginning. The problem is most people who read VNs are pretty fucking stupid and dumb. VN community is like a containment zone for the worst kind of sociopathic idiots in wider otaku community. Even most of our "kamige" writers are dumb antisocial incel sociopaths.

>>35567748
I don't know about how well written oretsuba is or not, but I see nothing wrong with "dense" (relatively anyway) prose. That's what I'm asking for.

>>35567836
Most of the best writers in history are all dumb antisocial incel sociopaths. That has nothing to do with quality.
>>35567851
I wouldn't call Oretsuba's prose "dense" anyways. No more dense than something like To Heart 2, anyways.

>>35567851
Dense not as in difficult to understand but too much shitty description filling the entire textbox.

>>35567908
I like description.

>>35567836
I just enjoy coomer kinos of this medium and ignore antisocial dumb incel sociopathic shit.

Anyone else seen this issue with トメフレ?

>>35567914
You might be better off reading an actual LN at that point like some other anon said. I know this is almost a meme, but visual novels are at the end of the day a somewhat visual and aural medium, meaning some of the narration is tacit in presentation and prose would feel redundant if it were written to be as descriptive as you seem to want it to.

>>35567953
Works on my machine.

>>35567967
There's plenty of VNs that are full on 100% with the narration like a book. There's nothing wrong with that. It just depends on the writer.

>>35567972
What version of windows are you on? I'm on Windows 10 21H1 (which isn't any different from 20H2 or 2004) and I can't exit the game by pressing the close button in the corner or from the main menu.

>>35567836
>Even most of our "kamige" writers are dumb antisocial incel sociopaths.
This basically filters me from enjoying most kamige. Musicus MC is apparently literally setoguchi but he's such a retarded sociopath whose actions befuddle me that I didn't wanna follow the story through his perspective.
Romeo is definitely a Sociopath. I like how he has trouble writing normal human interactions so he just does over the top weird comedy while analysing fundamentals of hooman NaTuRe and how it affects human interactions. His protagonists all want to be normal so fucking badly but they are all fucked up.
Sca-ji's version of human interaction is basically harassing girls or sex jokes.

>>35567995
Windows 10 Home, though I read all my VNs on a surface go tablet (comfy form factor.)

>>35568019
>Windows 10 Home
That's not a version. Enter "winver" in the start menu. I'm thinking from the date in the EGS review this is a regression caused by newer versions of Win 10.

>>35568017
wow you're so deep and original... where can i subscribe to your blog?

>>35567982
I've never seen a visual novel get anywhere as descriptive with its prose as actual sci-fi works (even the modern ones can get grating) or older classics (a good example would be Moby Dick; fuck Melville). Most actually tend to be pretty light-handed on it and prefer first person narratives for the ease of accessibility/flow, usually following modern narrative rules (e.g. show, don't tell) while taking advantage of the genre's few positives in spite of running on a shoestring budget. VNs read like storyboards, not novels.
Do mention some of your examples since they might serve that other dude, though. I just hope you don't mention things like Muramasa that cut out on a lot of their descriptive baggage by actually taking advantage of the medium.

>>35567914
Description for description sake is meh. Prose ultimately just supports other aspects of storytelling even in books, and you need to consider VN format in VN medium.

>>35568033
Ah, didn't know about that.

>>35568048
Interesting. You tried opening and closing the game recently, right? Or were you just saying you played it a while ago and didn't have a problem?
If so, I guess the version of Windows isn't the issue.

>>35568017
>while analysing fundamentals of hooman NaTuRe
When he goes muh hobbes and dunbar's number in ima is when I conclusively realised he's a fucking retard

>>35561422
Canonically worst girl

>>35568078
Coincidentally, I have it still installed right now. Seems to function normally.

>>35567982
Can only think of a couple of shit like Romeo's old stuff (ima, natsuyume yawa), mareni.

>>35568123
Not him, but I'm still using W7. Hope I can run this let alone not encounter this error.

>>35568143
Before I got my tablet, I was running トメフレ on a win8 VM on a MBP, so I feel like it ought to work. Of course, VNs are nipponese code, folded 1000 times, and I'm sure everyone is familiar with the "quality" that implies.
Hopefully Second's release date won't slip again. I'm predicting pic related as best girl.

>>35567748
>Just go read an LN at that point.
It's a matter of pride for VNfags to not touch filth like LNs(yeah they lack self-awareness)
in reality they are poorfags who can't buy VNs and you know jp LN piracy scene is pretty bad and it takes literal months for even shitty low res screencaps to come out

>>35568123
Interesting, the confirmation screen doesn't even show for me.
I have no idea what the issue is then. I am on Windows 10 Pro with hypervisor enabled but I can't see that impacting an application like this.
Most likely AMD drivers or direct x versions or something like that. The game uses D3DX9 which has been deprecated for a while, I see it loads D3DX9_43.dll, but I don't know if it's linked to that version or just grabbed whatever happened to be installed.

>>35568017
Kei filtered me too. I have nothing against sociopathic protags but he has nothing going for him other than being a sociopath, and I hated how girls still orbit his ass because he's apparently hot.

>>35568181
For an artistic medium as low as the anime style, why read a book if I can read an electronic picture book instead?

>>35568174
>Of course, VNs are nipponese code, folded 1000 times, and I'm sure everyone is familiar with the "quality" that implies.
Why is this seen as a negative? If anything, their design philosophy makes it so compatibility and piracy aren't headache inducing. I'd take it over broken physics engines and crashes Western code monkeys are guilty of. I swear they would find some way to make us look through a character's face mesh in a 2DCG.

>>35568181
I eventually got a job after reading nothing but the kind of shit you can find in Aozora Bunkou and started getting into LNs only to regret it massively. Holy fucking shit, what a mess of an industry.

>>35568202
Your kamige writers abandoned this medium and write kami LNs over there.

>>35568204
Not that anon, but no the quality and compatibility of VNs tends to suck.
They're very simple which helps compatibility (versus 3d games), but stupid mistakes create compatibility problems, for example >>35567953
Plenty of them have compatibility or performance problems for stupid reasons. And old games could really use some resizing options for modern monitors.

>>35568213
Mind naming some?

>>35568187
I didn't use an installer for my copy, so I didn't run an installer that could have installed a dx version. I'm running dx12. I'm not very good with windows, unfortunately. Is the problem just with closing the program? If so, just use task manager to close it. Stupid workaround, but it's probably less work than fixing it.

>>35568224
Sure, but you don't have to have the latest gayman rig to run a VN. Internal tomfoolery like CPU usage aside, they just werk. Besides, the main market aren't autistic /g/nomes so even less reason to comb through every single line of code. As long as it runs for the majority base, who gives a shit? If there's enough complaining, release a 1.1 patch on the website. That's the extent of support in most cases.

>>35568239
> I didn't run an installer that could have installed a dx version
I don't think the installer installed a DX version, I'm just suggesting the game may opportunistically link anything lying around.
>I'm running dx12.
The game is DX9. Which is still supported but it uses the DX9 extensions d3dx9 which are not.

Yeah I know I can just close it with task manager. It just is unsatisfying to my autism that the game doesn't work perfectly. And that it has a patch that is privately distributed to people who ask. Could be other problems to if I actually played it.

>>35568227
Romeo? Jintai
Maruto? Saekano
Jackson? Owaraibu
That mareni LN
Many VN writers have written LNs. A lot of newfag LN/WN writers are literally influence by VNs (for example, chitose-kun writer became interested in otaku media because of WA2, and omaegotoki writer kiki is a huge VNfag), and these people don't wanna write VNs but prefer LNs because of obvious reasons.

>>35568296
>Jackson? Owaraibu
oretsuba was fun, but this was borderline unreadable

>>35568314
It was way better than oretsuba. Oretsuba was honestly terrible with shitty sex jokes and garbage SoL events.

>>35568296
it's pretty easy to see why any good writer would want to avoid eroge as a medium. They have a lot less freedom to do what they want unless it's a crazy passion project

>>35568296
>Romeo? Jintai
And he came back to VNs after that.
>Jackson? Owaraibu
That almost killed his career.
>That mareni LN
See above.
If this is all the examples you can muster then I don't know why you're even bothering to shitpost.
Most LN writers just try to mindlessly copy something they saw in older otaku media (including VNs) once without really understanding the whys or hows and slap together some mediocre, forgettable never-ending story that uneducated audiences and cynical editors lap up nonchalantly. It's a good thing the VN market is "dying", I guess, since it keeps all that trash that would otherwise end up here as a bunch of nukige away from tarnishing what little rep the medium still has (even if said mindless trash would be elevated by the inclusion of pornography to at least give it some kind of worth).
>>35568368
Any good writer would avoid otaku media altogether. The étrangers at least get to have some fun working on porn and bringing some sort of joy to those of likeminded interests and education.
That's enough wasting time to worthless bait. I have validated your existence for one more fleeting moment of the many, so I hope you're happy (but you really should find a better hobby, my man).

>>35568314
>borderline unreadable
No, It had really nice flow with quirky prose, different from oretsuba.

>>35568390
>Any good writer would avoid otaku media altogether.
yeah that's true. i always get weirded out at how consumption-based otaku media tends to be. like people just read/watch thing and move on to the next thing without a thought in their heads. like there's not anything deeper to it besides it being some mindless pleasure. i'm probably just being a cynical fuck though

>>35568390
>It's a good thing the VN market is "dying", I guess, since it keeps all that trash that would otherwise end up here as a bunch of nukige away from tarnishing what little rep the medium still has
I don't know if you're retarded or just trolling lmao my fucking sides

>>35568407
>i always get weirded out at how consumption-based otaku media tends to be. like people just read/watch thing and move on to the next thing without a thought in their heads. like there's not anything deeper to it besides it being some mindless pleasure
that's all entertainment
that's the fucking point, to be a distraction and escapism
if you want to have a deep meaningful experience that will change your perspective on life, go volunteer in africa teaching orphans to read or something.

>>35568390
>It's a good thing the VN market is "dying", I guess, since it keeps all that trash that would otherwise end up here as a bunch of nukige away from tarnishing what little rep the medium still has
Nigga VNs are nothing but nukige trash or generic moege these days

>>35568412
you've never had an experience with art that made you feel like it elevated your soul?

>>35568390
There's 竹井10日, albeit I've yet to read anything he wrote.

>faggots who shit on LNs(along with VNs) are anti-otaku ironic faggots
Makes sense

>>35568412
This is the issue I have with /lit/ or any other bookfag community. They're so far up their asses that they don't realize that their "intelligence" means jack shit when it doesn't affect anything besides their ego stroking. Their books used to be treated like VN's now: Degenerate Filth for Degenrates but I guess the benefit of needless text on paper won them psood points in the end.

>>35568414
And they weren't back then? For every Eve Burst Error, there were plenty of sex romps with bad bitmap art.

>>35568390
>Any good writer would avoid otaku media altogether
Holy fucking shit neck yourself pretentious trash
There are a lot of things you can only do in subculture media. You're just attracted to aesthetics of literary mainstream fiction.

>>35568412
>if you want to have a deep meaningful experience that will change your perspective on life, go volunteer in africa teaching orphans to read or something.
1. That'll just bring you to suicide.
2. You DO realize the point of fiction is to explore themes, ideas, concepts and experiences without actually doing retarded shit, right? Part of the fun in art is the one of self-reflection, introspection and thought. Why the fuck spend your life on shit otherwise?
>>35568445
Oh, come on. I still stick with VNs because I love oddbeat trash and have a physiological need for anime girls, but what can you do or explore in them that you couldn't in a novel?

>>35568440
Yeah, that's the point. You don't even get anything good these days. This medium can't even attract creative minds these days.

>>35568455
>but what can you do or explore in them that you couldn't in a novel?
You can't portray pedophilia in a positive light.

>>35568468
How can you say this when every girl in an eroge is over 18 years old

>>35568468
You just didn't read Lolita properly. Not even Nabokov truly understood his own work.

>>35568463
>Hurr old good, new bad
Filter your vndb search to the 80's and see if you can find me 10 kamige that stood the test of time.

>>35568455
>You DO realize the point of fiction is to explore themes, ideas, concepts and experiences without actually doing retarded shit, right?
You can justify any retarded shit with made up bullshit. All it does is reinforce your retardation by providing fake emotional journey. It's pretty dangerous to use art as way to understand reality affairs. Art is only useful as entertainment or to cope with reality by creating fantasies that can't be realized irl.

>>35568419
>you've never had an experience with art that made you feel like it elevated your soul?
I did but then they stopped because I turned 14. If you're reading Subahibi and going "Whoa...just be happy...how could I ever have realized this without the master Sca-ji teaching me?" it says a lot more about the kind of life you've lead than the quality of Subahibi as a work.

>>35568455
>2. You DO realize the point of fiction is to explore themes, ideas, concepts and experiences without actually doing retarded shit, right?
Yeah, but there's a difference between a book written by PTSD War Veteran about the horrors of war and the effects it has on your mental state and Tanaka Taro the eroge master writing about how he has to pick between girl a and girl b who both love him or how cool it is when the nazis fight each other because MC gets time-stopping powers and goes pewpew but the nazis can go so fast they ignore his powers???

>>35568477
>b-but they are outdated
What are you even trying to argue? Whatever released in 2021 isn't even good for its time. Nothing good comes out of a dying medium. You'll just lose whatever tiny amount of good shit you used to get when the medium was doing good. No one wants to trailblaze because it's too risky now.

>>35568511
Nukitashi?

>>35568494
>>35568501
Where did your sense of wonder go? Perhaps you just don't enjoy VN or even anime in general anymore. Maybe it's time to find a new hobby?

>>35568494
>It's pretty dangerous to use art as way to understand reality affairs
This is only if you assume everyone is as retarded as you. Knowing the difference between reality and fiction is tacit in this argument. You can still explore themes and philosophies through art in order to convey something. No emotional journey, even when conveyed through fiction, is "fake".
As long as you're doing that, you're doing a good job. There's nothing worse than white noise pulp meandering awkwardly through its own notions and its own cliches losing itself of all artistic humanity and becoming nothing but simulacra of what it apes on. If you ask me, that's an infinitely more dangerous (and palpable) risk not only for any medium, but its audiences.

>>35568510
They're both self masturbatory works, one is just more honest than the other.

>>35568511
I'm still waiting on that 80's kamige list, anon.

>>35568517
I never got into otaku shit for muh deep insights and life-changing messages.

>>35568522
You'll be eating those words when the next incelocalypse quotes Subahibi in one of his manifestos.

>>35568522
Do you realise people formed a religion out of what sca-ji, romeo, narahara preach?

>>35568494
>by creating fantasies that can't be realized irl.
Unironically this. I don't know why you faggots play VNs but I just want to have sex with my loli slave in a fantasy moeplotge.

>>35568539
Who the even played 80s shit in this thread? Why not talk about late 90s and 00s? You're pretty deluded if you unironically think VN medium in 2011 is no different than how it was in early 00s.

>>35568539
Policenauts
Eve Burst Error
Rance 1
Myst
Super Mario 3

Retarded coomer low IQ faggots everywhere in this general. No one wants to explore deep themes. No one wants art to impacts their soul on a deeper level that they begin to turn into a different person. No one wants art to challenge their worldview.

>>35568663
>No one wants art to challenge their worldview.
Interesting to complain about this from a man who's having a meltdown because of anonymous forum posts challenging his worldview.

>>35568663
Haul your fat ass to /lit/ already.

>>35568663
Fucking lolis is pretty soul-rocking theme

>>35568663
Thought I'd chip in with a (You) that you clearly desperately desire. Next time use your EOP brain to read the first two words of in the thread title.

Oh the irony, everybody in the eroge business escaped towards mobage, the superior medium where otaku with money dwell. And now mobage companies are dropping right and left because Uma Musume set the bar of entry so high. Who could have realized this fantasy even in the highest dreams? Like, we even get an anime this season, Bokutachi no Remake, that starts with that motif where the protagonist gets fucked when the mobage company where he works cancels the project and gets fired. He goes back in time to remake his life... and this time join the right successful mobage company, like the retarded he is, of course.

>>35568778
No one gives a shit for uma musume other than the money-laundering yakuza. Mobage drop like flies before uma concept was even born, this is a well known fact.

And of course, uma musume is shit tier mobage but thats topic for another thread.

>>35568803
This is so out of touch from reality that I was left in awe.

>>35568017
>This basically filters me from enjoying most kamige.
Fake kamige.
> Musicus MC
Musicus protag is shit, but this is not reason musicus sucks so bad. Musicus is shit because it's book forced into vn format but with typical eroge issues like shit pacing and most of musicus being fucking boring to read.
> Sca-ji's version of human interaction is basically harassing girls or sex jokes.
Yes, but not like it prevents you from enjoying subahibi. Much worse in case of sakuuta. And in TnS RE scaji either improved greatly or TnS RE is just too short to pad it with shitty humor.

For me kamige is something that makes me literally pogging and screaming AAAAAA because of what happening on screen, something making me go through a lot of emotions, something that makes me to spend 6 hours reading straight despite ADHD, something that leaves lasting impression for days after reading.
80% of sol and 20% of plot in the end is not kamige, it's shit.
All you need is not to be jaded faggot and have some suspension of disbelief.
Eustia was a kamige for me, sakura moyu totally on my kamige list despite trash tier attempts into prose causing repetitions. Tsuriotsu is pretty kami in it's genre, aka i wouldn't expect to read better trapge ever.
Baldr was overrated as fuck with tons of flaw, but still enjoyable, even if not on kamige level.
And no, themes aren't important if everything else is shit and you're bored to hell.
All you need to do is to get rid of your coomer/moebuta/jaded faggot mindset in order to enjoy things.

>>35568808
Cope more horsefucker

Damn, what do they feed high-school girls these days? Most VNs at least have the decency to throw in a modest sized heroine in the mix.

>>35568663
>explore deep themes
>impacts their soul on a deeper level that they begin to turn into a different person
>challenge their worldview
Holy fuck I thought only fictional characters spout chuuni shit like this

>>35569032
Cartel JOPs aren't fictional characters

>>35568639
Oh, so you really have nothing to offer besides weaseling your way out of it. Time to take the L then.

>>35568659
>Myst
>80's
If you're going to shitpost, at least do it right.

>>35568827
Not him, but before it was FGO now it's umas. Learn how tide ebbs or are you still one of those who hasn't cashed in his cryptobucks?

>>35569187
>weaseling your way out of it
You're the one doing this. Shifting goalposts and focusing on irrelevant shit. No one is saying everything is good back in the day. Focusing on 80s when VNs as we know them weren't even a thing back then and when only perverted ojisans read them is retarded. You literally have no consistent argument.

>>35569214
Just because you weren't even part of daddy's spunk, doesn't mean VN's weren't like that then. Go find me 80's kamige or shut the fuck and kneel to me.

>>35569236
Guy has a point though. Visual novels didn’t exist in the 80s. Though desu I don’t even know what you guys are arguing about and frankly I don’t really care

>>35568873
>have the decency to throw in a modest sized heroine in the mix.
That's just so she epically agonizes over it like "anon-kun, is it really fine that I am of a modest size?". These eroge writers diminish her importance as a person.

>>35569236
Rance and Dragon Knight from the late 80s come to my mind. They are both real suffering to go through... Rance has a bit of interesting story and characters. DK has some good boss fights at each floor, specially the last boss was pretty exciting, plus the puzzles can be quite confusing without a guide.

I've seen screenshots from the early 80s, and the text used katakana because seems like kanji wasn't still well implemented in early PC-88 computers. You'd have to point a gun at my head to force me read that.

(cont) for example, take a look at one of the early Falcom games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GigHKgKWpyI

>>35569267
>Visual novels didn’t exist in the 80s.
https://vndb.org/r?q=&o=a&s=title&f=74_0aVeK
Also, the PC-88 gain its fame from Adventure games which were proto VN's.

Is Baseson still alive and will they make something that isn't Koihime Musou?

>>35556140
>which seem to be the garbage standard nowadays, truly a cancer inherited from ero mobage
Is it not the other way around? Ero mobage inherited their 1CG ero-scenes from eroges. That was the standard for a long while.

>>35568825
>For me kamige is something that makes me literally pogging and screaming AAAAAA because of what happening on screen, something making me go through a lot of emotions, something that makes me to spend 6 hours reading straight despite ADHD, something that leaves lasting impression for days after reading.
This is very accurate

Just finished Musicus Mikazuki route. I liked it.

>>35571161
I just dropped it because I didn't.

>>35571242
How far did you get?

>>35570079
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is he even going about. More than one CG per H scene has always been a luxury.

>>35571161
I remember her route being a massive snoozefest.

>>35571254
A bit after where that sawamura retard showed up.

Do they even show slut main characters fucking someone else in nukitashi?

>>35572442
No

>>35572457
>Not even sluts are shown to be sluts
>All heroines are virgins
Dropped

>>35568042
I don't know what your measuring stick is here. I mean okay sure probably nothing is as extreme as something like Moby Dick in VN form, but if we're just talking "normal, typical book prose", I think plenty of stuff qualifies easily. For an easy example everyone knows, every VN Nasu has written could be printed off into books and nobody would bat an eye.

I'm feeling retro and want to dive into the Pia Carrot games. I absolutely know little about it besides it being set in a famiresu and most of the girls work for one. Are each of the entries related to each other or can I start wherever? Which ones are the best and which version should I play?

>>35572442
Bitch Gakuen one of the heroines fucks a guy for money and admits that she's only doing it for the sex.
https://vndb.org/v21429
But unfortunately, despite the title, she's the only real slut in the game.

Better to play Yagai Gakushuu 3
https://vndb.org/v12975
Aoi loses a bet and fucks 10 guys in a row
Later on her birthday every guy in the camp fills her pussy with semen till it's gushing all over the table but none of that is her own choice (mostly it's her sister's)
https://vndb.org/c23739
The biggest slut in the game though is Touko
https://vndb.org/c23743
If you end up her boyfriend on her route the only thing she reserves for him is kissing. She'll fill her pussy with semen so it's all gooey inside by the time it's his turn.

>>35573382
>Aoi loses a bet and fucks 10 guys in a row
>Later on her birthday every guy in the camp fills her pussy with semen till it's gushing all over the table but none of that is her own choice (mostly it's her sister's)
Okay, you sold me. That's fucking hot.

>>35572442
Nukitashi is pretty tame. Don't get fooled by the premise. All slut fuckery is just background noise.

>>35573382
>Later on her birthday every guy in the camp fills her pussy with semen till it's gushing all over the table but none of that is her own choice
B-But they are just kids

>>35573490
I thought it was funny how they used the slut fuckery as background noise the same way you would hear cicadas on a hot summer day

>>35573827
Yes and?

>>35571161
It was pretty good. Musicus is kamige thanks to Mikazuki route, the others are extra.

>>35575104
I thought all the routes were good in their own way. It was refreshing how all of them were very different.

i really wish i didnt have adhd so i could blaze through stuff when i finally have time...

>>35577171
You don't have adhd. You're just addicted to 4chan.

>>35572442
MC is basically like here in pic related.

>>35577430
MC can be a hardcore moebuta I don't care. I heard it had sluts who are just as important as virgin heroines. The fact that they don't show these slutty girls doing slut stuff is pissing me off.

>>35577493
The sluts are secondary heroines and major characters in the first game (although Rei is way more important and prominent than Hinami in Hinami's own route) and the main heroines of the sequel. That said, while they're stated in dialogue to have had sex with other men and there's the one flashback in Nukitashi 2 with loli rei and the correct speech robot, they're never shown having sex with anyone else and always state that MC is way better than anyone they've ever had sex with, that they stop having sex with others after getting into a relationship with him, and that he's the first person they've ever loved. Yes, one of the main criticisms of Nukitashi is that it really, really wants to push a message about loving and accepting sluts but was afraid to lose moebuta sales by going too far with making them actual sluts. Nanase's route in particular nearly falls apart because of this dilemma.

>>35577675
>MC is way better than anyone they've ever had sex with, that they stop having sex with others after getting into a relationship with him, and that he's the first person they've ever loved.
Not only does it only show sluts doing slut things it's also about fixing "sluts" with protag-sama's amazing cock. Ok, definitely not something I was expecting.

>>35577772
Not only does it not* show sluts

>>35577430

>>35577772
>>35577791
Like I said, the game's caught between wanting to push slut love and acceptance and not wanting to lose moebuta sales from having heroines who are actual sluts, so they try to split the difference and compromise and the message and some of the routes are undermined as a result. I think Nukitashi's a great pair of games, but they have a lot of issues. That said, to their credit, the second game also almost had a similar issue with Akino but they fully committed.

>>35551410
I like the girl on the right. Her knockers are quite juicy and beautiful.

>>35577901
>>35577675
Only played Nanase and Hinami's routes in Nukitashi 1 but Isn't there a point during Hinami's route where Rei explicitly has sex with other people to win them over? I feel like past that if you came to see girls be slutty, you probably shouldn't have gone for a shimoneta moe game. I also came with the expectation that I'd see everyone, including the main heroines get fucked by others but it's a bit of a naive expectation really as it's a niche desire in the broader scheme of things. Looking forward to going back and finishing 1 so I can play 2 as I've heard it's a lot better.

>>35578113
It's explicitly stated in dialogue but doesn't happen on-screen.
2 is definitely better than 1. You should at least go back and do fatty's route in 1 though because it's unbelievable.

>>35578113
The student council have sex with others all the time, though as anon said before, it isn't shown. If Rei's flashback during Hinami's route had been graphically explicit, the suicide rates in Japan would have gone up whole numbers.

>>35578175
The funny part is that Rei does have an explicit flashback in 2, but only with a robot, so I guess that's OK because it's not NTR if she's fucked by a robot?

Moebutas really do ruin everything. I'm not into NTR, but even I think that sluts should be slutty if they're going to make them sluts.

>>35578257
What do moebuta have to do with anything? You think they're the ones playing Nukitashi? Blame the developers but no one demanded anything from them.

>>35568412
This is how I know you're a bugman.

>>35568477
>Filter your vndb search to the 80's and see if you can find me 10 kamige that stood the test of time.
What are you talking about, the golden age of VN's was the first decade, everyone knows that. Moving the goalposts won't help your argument.

>>35578829
wageslavery knows no race, anon

Hi, I haven't posted here in a while. Fucking new captcha sucks ass.

I started playing Liar-Softs Kusarihime. I really love it and it's very addicting to see how Kurame corrupts the next character and outs their shallowness. Kamige.

>>35578113
>Only played Nanase and Hinami
Dude, you missed like most of the game.

>>35579341
To be clearer, I played Nanase's route a couple months ago, stopped playing shit to finish my degree, then as of today finished Hinami's route and wanted to play some nukige before going back and doing debu route. Thought it was rather strange that almost half the route specific CG's were still locked despite finishing two of the three routes, so I assume it's the longest one.

>>35579481
Well, just keep reading, you'll see.

>>35579481
Well something extra will be unlocked once you finish the last route. Not too unusual.

Is there any good dark nukige, in the vein of Starless or euphoria?

>>35579762
Sleepless

>>35579859
Thanks anon, but I'm thinking more about vns by other companies beside Empress and Clock Up.

can someone upload the crack for 海と雪のシアンブルー please? All Nyaa sources are dead.

Can we talk about how nyaa became fucking useless. Anything older than a year or two is unavailable and unseeded. Why are pirates such non-seeding NIGGERS

>>35580605
What? I've been downloading random doujin VNs from 2015 and older and there are always some seeders

>>35580657
Just try downloading anything clockup. At best there are 3 seeders.

>>35580605
The main problem I've had is that rtorrent isn't compatible with some of the trackers. Gotta use transmission instead for some reason.
Also I just had a torrent where someone deleted some files and a 7z got stuck at 99%, leaving it unopenable. Had to find DDLs.

>>35580670
Yes, I did download a Clock Up game from 2015 last week
What's the problem here?

Just a thought I was having; does anyone here emulate a Windows or Linux OS environment on their Android/iOS devices for the purpose of reading VNs? I wonder how much things like OS-specific libraries, DRM, and so on may affect general function. I'm sure someone has done it before, though I question how effective it would actually be. VNs aren't typically resource-intensive games, so from a hardware perspective, any reasonably modern device could probably do well from a pure resources perspective. Could just use a USB expansion hub to connect to peripherals for max comfort and portability. All said, perhaps it is best to just get some probably-stolen Surface Pro on OfferUp instead of having these weird ideas...

>>35581080
>emulate a Windows or Linux OS environment on their Android/iOS devices
That shit so incredibly locked down that I don't even know if it's even possible. But sure from a hardware perspective it's probably doable.

>>35581128
Might be a pain to apply cracks and patches as well, unless you're in something like Samsung DeX. May be more trouble than it is worth. Would have been nice to have a portable setup for VNs; I just know some of you, even discounting Switch players, are playing on tablet PCs. Well, it is an interesting idea if nothing else.

>>35581350
Mobile GNU/linux devices are slowly becoming a thing now. I'm not sure if there's one that doesn't have underpowered hardware but perhaps some day. You wouldn't be restricted from a software point of view at any rate.

>>35578869
>muh Golden Age
Shut the fuck up. The point was that VN's existed back in the 80's and the ratio of gold to turd remained the same until now.

>>35580605
Which one were you torrenting? It's a title by title basis it looks like.

the 2000s to 2010 were generally great, lots of bangers came out during that decade and was heavily loaded near the tail end

>>35583314
Yet people were bitching about how VN's were filled with generic school life hullaballoos during that period. funny how nostalgia works as a mental filter.

>>35583059
>the ratio of gold to turd remained the same until now.
90s and 00s say otherwise. If you think those years were just like 2020/21 you're just a newfag who haven't played shit.

>>35583340
You're changing goalposts again

>>35583743
>>35583762
You're being an unapologetic nostalgiafag.

>>35583822
>unapologetic nostalgiafag

>>35583910
Hot spicy 2020 meme pic there my man.

>>35551410
So what's the story behind this? Virtual reality or a couple of sluts cosplaying as elves or some shit?

>>35583822
Bro literally nothing good outside of nukige released this year since yonagi last year. Even yonagi wasn't that good despite being VNOTY 2020 because the year was fucking shit. 2019 was also same.

>>35584411
MC is an eromangaka who hasn't been able to draw or get a boner for 6 months. Two fans of his send him an email of themselves cosplaying characters from his manga and he's so moved by it he takes a trip to a cosplay island to try and find them. They cosplay for him and act out situations from his manga to help him out of his rut.

>>35584502
Sounds like sca-ji

>>35583822
>>35583340
Say whatever you want. current eroge climate just can't match up with creative outburst of 00s.

>>35584580
You say that like creativity is inherently good.

>>35584502
Nice. That actually sounds kinda fun.

>>35568825
>All you need to do is to get rid of your coomer/moebuta/jaded faggot mindset in order to enjoy things.
Finally, some based opinion in the thread.

>>35584926
>>35568825
You can't enjoy VNs if you don't have coomer/moebuta mindset lmao

>>35584926
>>All you need to do is to get rid of your coomer/moebuta/jaded faggot mindset in order to enjoy things.
>Finally, some based opinion in the thread.
he didn't even say that, you literally rewrote his post then said how great his opinion was

What a great quote.

>>35584962
same

How do you anons like to find new VNs to play? Searching through tags on VNDB? Lurking the general? I'm trying to build a small catalogue of games I'd like to play so I can just jump into an isolated pool without stumbling over what to give a go. By that, I of course mean keeping a catalogue of games I'll procastinate playing, like the lolige I dropped due to note-taking autism fatigue. Something about the medium seems really attractive to me, though. I can't quite give up on it, despite possessing less linguistic command than I'd wish to have.

>>35584935
I enjoy VNs without that mindset alright.
>>35584945
Try harder, shitposter.

>>35585024
Just read egs reviews and find faggots who think just like you and share similar taste and standards, overall, or in a particular genre.

>>35585024
I filter all nukige and just lurk EGS for the top releases or anything with the シナリオがいい tag that piques my interest.

>>35585032
You wouldn't even be reading VNs if you weren't a moebuta or coomer to some extent. Moebuta values don't just stop at moege. They are at the core of how eroge heroines are normally written outside of nukige.

I reject moebuta values

Just be a coomer lmao
We get something cock-provoking every month
I am just cooming to role players like my life is dependent on it

More moeges need to feature anal sex.

How about enema scenes before anal sex?

>>35585189
No.

>>35585189
Yes

Why are there so many eroge this month being released on the 21st instead of the last friday like usual?

>>35585024
>search vndb by tags or characters
>check out character design and art style
>check for anything I don't like (including spoilers)
>look up image gallery so I can see if it fits my tastes
Step by step, works for me. Going by reviews or popularity only leads to desaster.

>>35585062
I'm plotfag though. And I love all ages titles.
I also try reading some moeges from time to time, but usually just drop them after couple of hours. They're just mind numbingly boring for me.

Are plotfags usually white people? I think only the Asians can tolerate/enjoy moege.

>>35585352
Actually I'm a Twi tribesman from Ghana

>>35585346
Unless you're talking about chuunishit plotge adhere to moebuta values too. Most plotge have moe heroines.

>>35585353
It must take weeks for you to download a full game.

>>35584962
I want to fuck gyaru leo

>>35585373
tfw my download of a 500MB doujin VN actually stuck at 92% for weeks until it suddenly finished yesterday

>>35585361
>Most plotge have moe heroines
Not just that. Plotge revolve entirely around these moe heroines too.

Seriously, Japan?

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>>35585543
What's wrong with that? I don't want my hands to be filled with potato gunk either.

>>35585062
> Moebuta values don't just stop at moege
cept they do
true moebuta checks spoilers for every vn ahead to see if there is big bad drama in it
true moebuta only reads moege without any hardships for heroine and without unneeded plot distraction
true moebuta needs protag to be bland self-insert shit without face
yes, you need to like cute girls to enjoy most of vns, but in eroge community context moebuta isn't just someone who likes cute anime girls
it's much more pathetic creature rejecting everything but moe
true moebuta would never enjoy something as good as kinkoi or grisaia or nanairo or even eustia

>>35585560
Kinkoi is moebuta shit lmao
Its writing is worse than your average moege

>>35585557
It's different from how I do it and therefore wrong.

>>35585361
If you stretch definition of moe wide enough you can say that most heroines in all anime-related mediums have some moe traits.
That's not a point though. The point is that I don't read VNs solely for ichaicha with cute girls or sex scenes with them. So you can say I reject moe values.
>>35585352
I'm white enough.

>>35585576
Barring chugging from a bag like a wild animal, I don't know how else you'd pick them without dirtying your hands.

>>35585577
>I'm white enough
Hapas like you are angry little turds who should be on a watchlist.

>>35585583
What kinda chips are you eating that make your hands unusable afterwards? Is this a cultural thing? Do they make chips differently in other places?

>>35585575
2LIB4U?

>>35585588
If your potato chips aren't inundated in salt, peppers or whatever condiments, then they may as well be crackers.

>>35585543
What's wrong here?
I actually do that so my hands stay clean and I can touch my keyboard/mouse/pen/gamepad while eating them

>>35585577
>The point is that I don't read VNs solely for ichaicha with cute girls or sex scenes with them.
Most plotge have comedy shenanigans with moeblobs in common routes
Most plotge have moege tier romance where heroines fall for MC's cock for no reason
Most plotge's "plot" situates moeblobs at its center and tries to make you fall in love with them.
What you call moebutas are just an extreme version of you. But for me this entire medium is built on moebuta foundations and moebuta aesthetics permeates through this medium. Literally just a few posts above you guys were bitching about nukitashi having some moebuta values.

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>>35585557
It's like I stepped into some sort of insane mirror world but I was the crazy one all along.

>>35585575
>Kinkoi is moebuta shit lmao
kinkoi spoilersheroine would've never died from cancer in a true moege, also 3p h scenes and other shit makes moebuta seethe and mald so fucking hard rofl

>>35585610
I eat chips with my hands too anon, don't worry. But that's only because I don't know how to use chopsticks. So really you are actually crazy.

>>35585560
>true moebuta checks spoilers for every vn ahead to see if there is big bad drama in it
check
>true moebuta only reads moege without any hardships for heroine and without unneeded plot distraction
check
>true moebuta needs protag to be bland self-insert shit without face
I actually prefer attractive MCs with a face

I also prefer Flying Witch over Baccano, it's called Slice of Life.

>>35585609
>What you call moebutas are just an extreme version of you. But for me this entire medium is built on moebuta foundations and moebuta aesthetics permeates through this medium
most of manga and anime has cute girls in them in order to sell

>>35585617
>muh short nakige route
Most of it is literally like your bottom of the barrel moege. 3p isn't anything new to moege. Just cause it doesn't neatly fit into your rigid genre definitions doesn't mean it's totally not a moege.

>>35585636
nothing new != happens in every one of them
there is no hard definition to begin with, anon

>>35585630
Harem manga, sure. It's not just about cute girls as I listed other things. Also, cute girls in eroge are certain kind of trope-y moeblobs to be precise. Saying they are just cute girls is reductive. Their cuteness adheres to moebuta aesthetics.

>>35585646
i guess rance is a moege now too

>>35585648
Nu-rance is pure moebuta shit

>>35585648
It always is

Everything you read is a moege. Reminder that Majikoi and Grisaia are moege. Tsukihime, Fate, DI, KKK, Senshinkan are also moege. Baldr series, Muv Luv, Muramasa are moege. Rance, Evenicle, Venus Blood, Ikusa Megami are moege. And so are Djibril or Beat series and Triangle Blue. YU-NO is the father of all moege. SubaHibi+Sakuuta are heralds of moege. These are all moege and reading them doesn't automatically make you a moebuta.

Moebuta is a pathetic creature that secludes himself in some made up definitions and rules about what should be in a moege and chimps out when something is out of his comfort zone consisting of boring literally nothing happening in highschool setting. He is no better than a plotcuck who chimps out at every instance of SOL, comedy, romance or cute girls and only wants heavy and dark no fun allowed plot, preferably without ero content because he is a prude with limp dick.

These two extremes are both equally trash and should be gassed on sight, so well adjusted people can discuss their actually good moege in peace, without some subhumans chimping out every day.

>>35585648
I mean most of rance 10 is SoL ichacha events

>>35585665
Zeth-2 events with Rizna and Medusaespecially moe, yep.

>>35585663
>actually good moege
As in, things YOU enjoy because it caters to YOUR taste.

Books are moege too.

>>35585698
As in things objectively better with better quality and with more depth and more efforts and more creativity and more originality in them.
It's like eating proper food instead of gobbling up fastfood all the time.
There is nothing wrong with wishing for better life and better food.

>>35585663
Can we replace all "moe" in this pasta with "denpa" and then slightly edit the whole thing so that it still reads naturally?

>>35585712
There are only very few things that are not subjective in "creative works".
Also this >>35557245

>>35585583
I used chopsticks at first but now I use a spoon. Laugh at me all you want but its way better

>>35585857
Isn't it more difficult?
As spoon doesn't really hold the chips

>>35586080
The chips I usually eat aren't so big as to spill from the spoon, but yeah with bigger chips like pringles I do still use chopsticks

>>35586157
>The chips I usually eat aren't so big as to spill from the spoon
Those aren't chips. They're cereal.

>>35585142
Any thoughts on the animated scenes? As a coomer, I find them better than something you'd see in an Anim release like 俺の彼女は他人棒が気になるようです, but at the same time I feel like they get pretty repetitive and I'd rather be looking at a more refined still image from something like Dohna.

>>35585352
I'm not white or asian and I'm a plotfag. Moege is fine in doses too, but I like plot with some cute girls the best.

>>35587956
this

>>35587727
>As a coomer
As a "who"?

>>35588382
Coomers are people who dedicate their life to masturbation. They fap at least 15 times per day. For them cooming is a way of showing respect to beautiful things in this universe.

>>35588408
>For them cooming is a way of showing respect to beautiful things in this universe
That already makes them better people than 90% of the population.

>>35587727
Animated scenes are a rare delight, wanting them to be replaced with something you can find in 95% of games is silly. I love that Role Players' animated scenes actually have fully animated finishes, a lot of games with animated ero scenes finish on stills.

>>35587727
Not him but I was really impressed by those animated h scenes. Some of the best I’ve seen. It felt like I was looking at the future of eroge.

>>35588687
Added bloat though.