/jp/ - Otaku Culture

thank you aniki

very nice

it's crazy how long these videos always feel compared to how long they actually are
the video is 10 minutes long and I'm only 4 minutes in but I feel like I've been here for 20 minutes

https://youtu.be/6qLieSOmoLY?t=137
https://youtu.be/6qLieSOmoLY?t=249

aniki still cheers me up
thanks to everyone who worked hard for this

>>37984616
Youtube is such a trash site

>sticky on /v/
>no sticky on /jp/
What the fuck happened to this place

The higurashi moment is really nice

>>37985874
yes ;_;

>>37985872
What the FUCK does this have to do with /v/ that it would get a sticky there? Faggot shit is already tangential to /jp/.

>>37985985
we live in a time where most of the people on thie board would probably say it's unrelated. you can thanks vtumors for this

>>37985985
I hope you enjoy your time here! You must be a bit new, but I'm sure you'll figure out the 'board cultures'

>>37986009
>>37986018
So no answer. Go on back to your own board you destroyed with constant off-topic posting. And stay the fuck out of /vst/ as well.

>>37985874

>>37986087
Where is sound-poster when we need them

>>37986211
Not them but

>>37986314
Thank you! Thank you

>>37986087
I screamed when this popped, so fucking good

An anon in /v/ posted this.
God damn that's a lot of work and effort for like a few seconds.

>>37986320
>I screamed when this popped, so fucking good
modern 4chan

>>37986373
I got into MAD making this past year and it's amazing how much work it takes to work on it if you want it to look okay, and my stuff is not even in the vicinity of this kind of work, so I can't even imagine

When did AMVs turn into MADs? Am I old?

>>37986673
You can argue the terms are interchangeable but as far as I'm concerned they're different things.

MADs have a distinct style to them.

>>37986673
MADs are probably older and refer to any sort of silly thing originally related to anime stuff. For lack of a better term AMV in the west extends to what would be called MADs as well, but an AMV is just that, an anime music video. It's not a silly skit made out of anime voice clips, for instance, like a MAD might be. The only thing that happened that people started using the Japanese term because who makes AMVs anymore?

>>37986510
Yes I agree you should never, ever be genuine and passionate about the things you like, you're only allowed to like things ironically.
Right, redditbro?

>>37987164
he's talking more about the wording, normal-kun.

the new year brought a lot of wonderful collabs....

>>37987618
based

>>37987618

>>37986076
Stop larping as an oldfag

>>37987636

>>37987649
https://files.catbox.moe/ujya9e.7z

>>37987662

>>37987670

>>37983984
I really like how it starts. Really pumps you up. AND Higurashi. Good job!

Based higurashi

>>37985857
first timestamp is GO
second one is cyclops senpai and チョコボール向井

>>37983984
This is junk but it was to be expected since almost everything made in the past five years is soulless after effects copypaste: overused 3D, voice synthesis, all these filters, vector graphics with silky smooth animations and retarded 3fps cinematic presets. Custom commissioned art?! What the fuck are you doing, stop treading mads like they're amvs. Westoids(read as: non japanese) are bad influence and ruined the culture, letting them ever take part was a mistake

>>37988666
>stop treading mads like they're amvs
remix is remix, maximum retard

>>37988666
Every single thing you've mentioned can be found in Japanese collabs

>>37988666
Sounds like you're describing IWF 2018 and 2019 instead, tbqhwyfaladd

>>37988666
I had to stop watching Cookie MADs from 2015 onward because they all started doing this exact same shit. It's not just westerners anymore, a majority of MAD creators have become retarded and think graphics matter more than the audio and then start bitching about getting no mylists or likes because their audio sounds like shit.

>>37988666
>overused 3d
i can probably find you half a dozen danjiri parts that look like garbage where the 3d means literally nothing and looks like dogshit
not to mention "all these filters" or "custom commissioned art" like what the hell dude, japanese people are far more retarded than you give them credit for since you must be wiping convenient exceptions from your mind
in case you dont realize, they like shit like apex and among us and vtubers now, bro.

>>37988666
they're just going full retard at this point

>>37988849
gay, but if it was just for one commercial of a reel its nothing for the final project

>>37988849
>discord shit
gb2r

>>37988849
>ディスコードごみ
気持ち悪いぞ、ベービー。

>>37988666
>>37988828
Don't agree with all points, but I do think it's primarily a manner of creativity vs. technical abilitiy.

For example, the Big Brother part in NYD 2019, which was very well received:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFfqEAExxVo&t=296s
Looking at the composition at the editing level, it could have been very generic. Font based background with cliche (but relevant) quotes of the book, transformation and "low-effort" 3D effects with quotes of the song, and a lot of 2D transformation effects on existing Cookie assets that borrows from the original 音MAD. Even the audio could be accused of overly used MGR姉貴 UTAU.
The difference is the video author has a good creative sense of when to use them all for expression over just effort which complement the song. Most importantly, the "metamorphic heads" transformation sequence is a pretty OC concept that goes great with both with the audio and the general feel of both the song and the book.

Another great example is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyoKF_YBxds&t=82s , using IRL editing to parody typical 音MAD composition. Probably took many less manhours to produce than any other parts and is less refined, but it's very refreshing.

"Quality" can really describe many aspects of something that's art, and I feel a lot of video makers feel the need to lean on technical quality over creative quality if it means making something that might not fit the mold.

>>37988816
Individual MADs outside of collabs still mostly keep on being creative standalone works, there are just less of them. The works of 自己矛盾 come to mind, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_5lhA5_Y4
Biggest thing is that less is being churned out, and that it has to either be heavily memed or be extremely original and high effort to really get notoriety these days. I'd say that's more on most low-hanging ideas and styles already being thrown at the wall, so new things with similar effort stand out less and hype dies down. Mainly a cyclical online culture thing.

in this winter of our hardship let us remember these timeless words
ass we can

New years dreams 2018 is still unmatched

>>37990051
thank you for the positive post

>>37990051
You're misunderstanding my post, I'm talking about otomads specifically. I don't care about whether someone makes a high quality BB theater and I'd prefer people who value graphics over audio to make those instead of trying to get attention by making shitty otomads with high quality graphics but subpar or unbearable audio. The whole point of an otomad is the audio and I don't like how so many recent otomads have a large gap between audio and graphics because retards think graphics are all you need to become a popular otomad creator, especially in Cookie where many popular creators got their start by making otomads with shitty graphics but great audio.

>>37990219
I find it hard to really call any one of them undeniably better than the rest.

I judge NYD and recent major yearly collabs a bit differently from the yearly Japanese collabs from like 2008-2014 because the individual videos seem to be more like a sum of parts which are made with the intention to flow gracefully between one another and complement the melody, rather than the more old-school style of having wildly different parts with the melody being the fragile glue that holds them together.
This is something which comes off a soulless to others, but I think the latest IWF, Terry Crews, and Octagon collabs show that as long as the parts are creative and unique it's more just the collab organizers being more proactive in making something cohesive and polished. And really that's exactly what made the OG "Shit Year's Eve" (糞晦日) stand out in 2009-2012 compared to other 音MAD/YTPMV collabs.

Being so recent, every NYD so far is a stream of great/good audio and visual from a technical standpoint. By nature, the collabs don't really lend themselves to contributing back into INMU/Cookie directly, so the creativeness, stylistic choices, and sense of parts end up being the main differentiator. And honestly I can't really rank them best to worst by that measure, it's more each one giving off a different feel as a whole.

>>37990798
ive heard not from a lot but a few that they find the collaborations feeling, i dunno, same-y? not diverse enough, whatever, even though personally i think its entirely a learnt bias by how shittily (read: primitively) assembled most of these medley collabs have been before recently
i find it a great step up that- wow, shocker, all the participants work together well enough to make such a cohesive project out of so many fructose parts, but just an observation id recorded

>>37990659
Most recent collaborations, sure, there's genuinely bad audio for parts (NYD 2021 included, I think) but this IWF did a pretty good job of both being creative and well done rather than only one or the other with more exceptions than standards

>>37990827
>ive heard not from a lot but a few that they find the collaborations feeling, i dunno, same-y? not diverse enough
I'd actually say I feel the same. But I realize it is at least partially personal bias, and like I mentioned in the previous post I judge newer collabs in a different light and try to take off the rose-tinted glasses.

>even though personally i think its entirely a learnt bias by how shittily (read: primitively) assembled most of these medley collabs have been before recently
The concept of collabs even having an intentional melody from the start for the members to synchronize and harmonize with was a real game-changer. I remember when most collabs would take a base song or such and each part would have to be leveled out and stitched up post-processing if at all. Still common with one-song and smaller projects. The latter has an amateur charm to it of course.

One thing which I think is samey but an improvement is the video quality of collabs. They used to be in resolutions that were small even for the time (360p/480p in 2014), with parts that had heavy effects taking a noticeable quality hit. Part of that was due to the different limits of Youtube and Niconico, but also some makers just losing quality in the process of converting their part into the collab. Now basically every big collab doesn't have noticeable quality on loss on Youtube, and they usually include a downloadable video which has none whatsoever.
While this is by most means a win-win, I think a side effect is that because visual makers don't have to worry about overuse of effects/lighting/3DCG not being shown as they intended, many are compelled to do so for visual eye-candy. So you get a lot of effects, often with a default-ish or en-vogue sense to them, that don't really add much originality to the scene.
I may be reading into it too much, but I think it is also a sign of visual editing becoming more monoculture, with software, plug-ins, effects, assets, etc. becoming more uniform among editors, so whatever presets and workflows are most popular is going to naturally be expressed at some level in the parts unless people go out of their way to make things from scratch. Though back in the day you could say the same of Sony Vegas, Aviutl, REAPER, etc.

I think IWF 2018 and 2019 are some of the most forgettable visually because of this, but I think this trend has been reversed with collabs coming out in 2020 and 2021, which have a lot of OC and seem to have toned down on the effects where it doesn't add anything.

>>37991321
its especially terribly problematic on niconico with such awful bitrates that visuals made to overwhelm you and with not much else intent totally decimate visibility for the entire time they're shown, mitigated on youtube obviously but not everyone pays for nico premium
im glad there are examples of much more intentional direction and visual clarity now, they haven't gotten any "worse" or anything just because theyre not cluttered anymore and they've gotten better on top of that

what's the first collab with a medley made just for the collab? i would assume danjiri 2009, what a great idea. Parts of collabs are of tons of different songs and jokes, kumikyoku douga is a medley about tons of different songs and jokes, why not just put them in one project

>>37991321
>I think it is also a sign of visual editing becoming more monoculture
yep, totally, but as you also suggested this was noticeable in the past as well. Not so much i think in things like "what effect do these guys spam on their sources" or whatever, but just how a simple effect looks or how sources look moving across the screen, yadda yadda. I can think of stuff like this mostly with vegas whose videos stick out sorely, but i think enough time's passed that people find such things endearing more than frustrating.

>which have a lot of OC
i cannot stress enough how important it is that this is becoming more common, it might b e gay sounding but it really legitimizes how creative and interesting this hobby/medium/whatever is and im glad to see more of it anywhere

>>37983984
Is this supposed to look like pixelated shit?

>>37983984
What's the title of the song that plays at around 9:40 in the second video? I could swear that I've heard it before.

>>37991626
Not intentionally, use the Youtube uploads instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMJsztvKGFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qLieSOmoLY

The reason why the Niconico uploads look like shit for most people is because the site only allows 360p for viewers not logged in, only up to 720p for free users, and only up to 1080p for premium (paying) users. The video and audio quality at those resolutions is actually a bit better than the same on Youtube, but these videos are so visually intense that downscaling them destroys the quality, and at their native resolution of 1080p some scenes are going to be pixelated/blurry at some parts. So on Youtube the videos are upscaled the video to 4K or 8K to get extra bitrate.
The only real reason why these are uploaded on Niconico first or at the same time is tradition.

>>37991992
Thanks, I kinda fixed it by pushing the quality to its limit (720p) already haha. Wasn't easy to find on japanese.

>>37991936
The credits always have a song list.
Perfect Star Perfect Style by Perfume

>>37992027
Have a "thank you, mister" from me, sir.

>>37985872
Who are you quoting?

>>37991992
nico also has the ability to turn off audio loudness normalization unlike youtube where its forced
i know youtube has extensions and scripts to turn it off but intents there

>>37992143
His recollection of the events of course.

anyone got a ink to the live show in japan aniki did? dunno what to search on nnd to find it

>>37985872
Everyone has hated /jp/ since the beginning

>>37985872
Why sticky anything on a dead board? For what, like 5 posts it will get?

>>37993780
he did a few over the years, do you mean the first one for the goodsmile figma in 2009? btw if you want to search anything on nico just combine 兄貴本編リンク and ビリー・ヘリントン tags

>>37994061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4zVOdNh_4c
the proper footage of this one

>>37994121
ah, right, 2012 thing
the recording of that which everyone uses was uploaded on billy herringtons account, actually
here: https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17830134

>>37994386
thanks

>>37985985
>>37986076
>So no answer.
If you really want the context as to why it was stickied on /v/ and not /jp/ that I would bet money on being accurate, it's pretty tl;dr:

While gachimuchi was popular as a reoccurring topic on /jp/ as one of many NND fads which made it through the language barrier basically since the board was created, it was complete esoterica to people outside of /jp/ until people people in the YTPMV community started using it as a source, really taking off around 2011 or so. Before then, the "Lords of the Locker Room" videos were on Youtube, but for non-Japanese it was just funny at face value like it was originally for them. There were also reuploads of the danjiri collabs, but I recall it being a very niche thing beyond "lol wtf japan." There just wasn't really a cultural connection for most anons outside of /jp/.

So when it finally takes off in the YTPMV community, it gets used with songs popular in YTPMV and by people who were using Western sources as well, and it just kind of blends in as a fun source to use without it really being an "otaku" thing. And since there is practically no difference between a YTPMV and an 音MAD if you are familiar with the source and the song, this meant that any reuploads from Niconico could be appreciated in a similar light as Western sources. These get made and re-uploaded on youtube, and casually disseminate through boards, with /v/ and /f/ being the two I most remember having dedicated threads and a culture around it. I don't remember exactly when people started making threads for it, but it was probably inspired by bait posts (and maybe synchtube's /v4c/), and because of the nature of /v/ these would sometimes stick around for some time before getting hit by mods, if they got hit at all. And like the Japanese on 2ch, eventually people came to legitimately like them. This is when gachimuchi REALLY starts taking off as something that many anons on 4chan would identify with as part of the general site culture, with an emphasis on /v/.

Sure, plenty of anons on /v/ and other boards were aware that it was originally from Niconico, was posted earlier on /jp/, and that it was topical here, but that doesn't mean they ever cared to really browse /jp/ or picked it up here. At the end of the day, you can't really control the context in which others become familiar with something you are already familiar with, and you can't make them care about it in the same way you do. I remember for years would get pissy at "forsenfag" gachi fans who picked it up from some twitch streamer named forsen, and made videos in a completely different style from 音MAD/YTPMV. They still liked billy though, and people who were originally labeled as forsenfags contributed to this years IWF, so all's well that ends well.

So you've got the following scenario:
A. By the time YTPMV creators got together to make a sequel to the 2013 short IWF collab, at least one mod on 4chan liked gachi and others at least tolerated it. And they most likely picked up info of the collab from /v/, /f/, etc. - /jp/ just wasn't place where they would likely be getting knowledge of this collab from, even if it was being discussed here.
B. Most boards don't really get "fun stickies," they get practical stickies for a topic that's going to get a flood of posts, a mod sticky clarifying the board rules, or no sticky at all if it is slow. /jp/ for the most part just gets the first, which until recently was basically never. /v/ however, like a few other boards, has a history of getting stickies for things the mods just want to highlight as something anons on that board associate with.
C. The people making the 2015 IWF went with the Japanese route of hyping the collab up for a 12/31 release - and oddly enough they actually met it. It gave a further air of legitimacy to it, and 4chan mods already had a history of doing celebratory things on New Year's Eve like the r/a/dio stream stickies.

So when 2015 IWF dropped and someone made a thread on /v/ and people requested a sticky, it got one: https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/322094104
And so the rest is history, really.
If the IWF collabs actually released on 12/31 or 01/01 consistently they probably would have continued getting stickies on /v/, but missing the deadline just kills the hype and enthusiasm around, and that miss deadlines they sure did. /v/ also got a sticky for Billy's death, though /jp/ did as well for what it is worth.

So when people made threads about IWF 2021 on /v/ and it was more-or-less on time, it was completely in line to make a sticky.

Thanks for reading my blog, if I misremembered something please correct me instead of just telling me I'm wrong.

>>37994472
Thanks for giving an actual answer.

>>37983984
Thank you aniki

Don't kid yourselves -
this meme would be absolutely dead without Forsen and his fanbase keeping it alive.

>>37995983
where did you get the impression that I had any negative feelings about them?

>>37983984
veri nice

>>37991992
>the site only allows 360p for viewers not logged in
That can't be true, I downloaded 720p through youtube-dl without any cookies before.

>>37999970
Usually signed in as premium so I'm probably wrong and you're right

>>38000784
I think there are premium hours, and free hours depending on the load on the server. By the way, right now the premium hours should be over (probably).

>>37994472
accurate, good post fren

>>37987662
these are too freaking much, dude. way too awesome and funny.

>>37983984
I don't know most of these.

>>37994472
I don't know how much influence this had, but back when Sallyfag was active he would target Gachi and Inmu threads and get them deleted. I wouldn't be surprised if some people stopped posting them in /jp/ because of him

>>38018287
He'd target fucking tea threads
That guy is not worth giving any headspace to

this is clearly the best IWF, but... i'm starting to get the feeling it's on par if not better than danjiri's 2009 - 2012... will have to think about it more, trying to see it without nostalgia goggles

>>38020100
*i'm just glad and thankful have gotten such a good one after 2018-2019 and then nothing 2020

>>38020100
nah, it's wrong for me to judge objective quality like that
all this does is add yet more to the overall zeitgeist that is gachimuchi without invalidating anything, I should feel
all in service of billy-aniki after all

>the zipper fist flying out of kazuyas ass
literal perfection, easily my favorite part of the entire collaboration

https://twitter.com/Gachimuchi_IWF/status/1478269594800373762

>>37995983
This is the worst post of 2022, congratulations and well done.

>>38027423
MOU OWARI DA

Cookie was a mistake.
Wish I'd see more inmu than this bullshit.

>>38031266
Be the change you want to see and make more Inmu videos

>>38018287
Inmu threads get deleted because people use them as shitposting against the staff

Could your favorite Touhou defeat it?

>>38027423
Wish they would've included a download link.

>>38036718
see https://iwf.gay/

>>38036745
Thanks

>>38027423
fuck

what means "いいよこいよ" ?
japanese culture is always creep af

>>38042412
I believe it is roughly translated to "The pleasure of being cummed inside".

>>38042412
>>21085761

>>38042412
良い世
来いよ

>>38042412
gay sex

>>38042412
>いいよこいよ
https://youtu.be/De03ff79Kk0
Senpai's noise made during the filming.

>>38036745
glad this got me to download it, it looks much better in HD then how i usually watch it on youtube or nico

>>38053203
Each NYD includes a DDL as well

>>38060441
Is there anywhere to download IWF videos from previous years in high quality, now that their youtube channel got deleted? I looked on the website, and in video descriptions, but there's nothing.

>>38064810
https://gachi.bepis.io/browse/Gachimuchi/Collaborations/International%20Gay%20New%20Year%E2%80%99s%20Eve/

>>38068688
thank you

>>37983984
aniki died nearly 4 years ago but he will always be alive in my heart

>>38042412
>japanese culture is always creep af
like everything else

>>38074949
it feels like yesterday

Sex, drugs & gay = CIA

>>38092000
Money, violence & sex = KBS

>>38092000
>>38092094
Can't decide which is hotter.

>>38092094
I dont care. You should've locked your car.

>>38092000
inaccurate.

>>38092094
SEX!