/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>finally
After what, 20 minutes?

You're about 1 year too early to start playing games. You need to spend a year grinding vocabulary and grammar now to play anything

>>38335076
Read a VN, mine and breakdown sentences with a grammar book and dictionary.
The first time will be slow but subsequent VN's will go exponentially faster and faster until you're able to read without needing help.

You will quit japanese in a month or two.

>>38335077
えふぴびぴ

>>38335076
Play Pokémon and quickly realize why it's considered a franchise for little kids.

>>38335076
情けない、どう勉強しても無理だぜ。

>>38335077
I suck at memorizing shit. I have the attention span of a goldfish with schizophrenia, so it took me a while to memorize hiragana, and I still struggle here and there with a few.

>>38335076
>didn’t learn hiragana and katakana at the same time, like capitals vs lowercase
NGMI

>>38335076
Remember, learning kanji is a meme, and apps like Waninaki make more people fail than anything else

Gramma>>Vocabulary>>>>>>>Kanji

The hardest part of the sentences is the hiragana

>>38335084
I had an issue with it at first too cause I'm more of a visual learner. There are some youtube vids that go over it in about an hour that really helped since they give visual clue reminders. It'll be reinforced with practice too.

できない

>>38335080
>t. mutt

>>38335076
for katakana and hiragana you can literally just use anki. If that isn't enough play pokemon or any other childrens game because they are all in kana. good luck

>>38335076
Theres 3000 kanji/hanzi you need to know to read a japanese or cantonese newspaper just give up learn mandarin instead

>>38335076
how do you think games will help you at a stage where you barely understand kana?
go read through a grammar guide, memorise some vocab, read through yotsuba at a pace of about two sentences an hour while understanding about 10% of it, that's how you're gonna spend like a year

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html

>>38335086
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely attempt to learn kanji at some point, but it will be a while.

>>38335087
I'm more of a hands-on kind of learner. I learn by doing, so that has made it difficult for me to study visually. That's why I want to practice a bit with games, since they keep me engaged and my brain juices going.

>>38335090
Thanks anon. I will give anki a shot.

>>38335091
>learn mandarin instead
I too like receiving rusted 201 industry standard stainless steel.

>>38335090
>If that isn't enough play pokemon or any other childrens game because they are all in kana. good luck

How is that gonna help him when he knows no grammar or vocabulary? does people's common sense just turn off when japanese is mentioned? Like if he wanted to learn german, it'd be obvious to everyone that just playing a game in german with absolutely zero background isn't a very good introduction. Knowing hiragana is like knowing the latin alphabet when learning a european language, it fucking level 0.
I'm all for immersion but you need at least a base level of understanding before it actually accomplishes anything, otherwise you're just blasting yourself with gobbledygook that your brain ignores.

Op, go read tae kim or sakubi or whatever before you try reading anything, you'll just be wasting your time.

>>38335093
I see. You may consider the Genki textbooks, they have grammar and vocab lessons in them with write in activities. Iirc you can get them at the site linked >>38335092

try this site
https://realkana.com/hiragana/words/
check all the levels, if you still suck go back and check all the individual kana

>>38335076
>>38335090
Oh I am retarded. You are asking about what to do after that. Honestly, the best games to practice your reading to is playing the games you want to play. Some advantages come from those that you can texthook, however.
Before you play anythng though, read a little about grammar https://sakubi.neocities.org

>>38335095
I was only talking about learning kana, based idiot. of course he should look up some grammar before reading if he intends on looking into the meaning of a sentence.

>>38335098
My point still stands, how is playing pokemon gonna help him read kana? its even more retarded for that, say he confuses は and ほ, there won't ever be any indication that he's wrong and he'll teach himself the wrong thing.
Besides, if memorizing kana is even a problem worth discussing for him then I don't know how he expects to learn the rest of the language, its the simplest fucking thing, you can do it in a couple of days with flash cards.

>stuck in the N3 hole of near-competency for about a year
HELP

>>38335076
>Going into katakana next
NGMI
kanji or go home

QRD on learning kanji?

>>38335102
3 alphabets
Kanjis the one with the pictures
Theres lots of programs that let you mouse over translate them so learning is just repetition and practice
Want more specifics?

>>38335103
How much kanji do you need to read manga raw?

Remember, if you are searching Kanji by the radicals you are wasting time

>>38335076
Do some karaoke

>>38335100
Don't you just play lots of vidya and watch media to improve at that level?

>>38335099
It's simply to satisfy my curiosity. I'm not planning on outright playing a game to completion. That's just how I find it easier to learn and keep my interest in order to cement what little I know and move on. I have issues with memorizing things when I don't have something to associate it with. I'm slow at visual learning anon, I'm not that big of an idiot. Your advice is very much appreciated and I'll take it into account moving forward.

>>38335104
Kanji != vocabulary.

>>38335099
Your point does not stand, anon. He doesn't need to know grammar or vocab to learn about kana. Even if he gets the pronunciation wrong on particles he still understands them in their stand alone form which is the point. If he feels unsure of knowing a certain letter that appears in the text then he can just look it up. And I fore mostly recommend using anki as well, just giving an alternative suggestion in case OP for some reason is unwilling to use certain resources.

And it's learning kana, Like learning it the right way or wrong way even fucking matters. The differences it can make is like a day at the absolute most.

>>38335102
You don't learn kanji, learn vocabulary.

Monster hunter stories 2 and dragon quest 11.

>>38335102
Kanji study is pretty good, it's an app that lets you write kanjis, hiraganas and katakana, which IMO is probably the best way to actually learn them. It's pretty customizable and there's sentences practices, on and kun quizzes, and a lot of option to help memorizes.

However it costs ten bucks to buy the full kanji dictionary, but you still have all hiraganas, katakanas and 80 kanjis+radicals on the free version. I'll buy the app once I'm done learning the different readings of the first 80 kanjis (if you're like me don't be a dumb fuck and start learning readings alongside meaning and stroke orders)

>>38335102
Don't learn them individually, its pointless, learn them with vocab, knowing how to read combinations of like 500 kanji for 2000 of the most common words is much more useful than knowing 2000 isolated kanji without knowing what words they're used in. Despite the common misconception, one kanji =/= one word, chinese doesn't work like that either.
Don't learn to write them by hand until you can read, its much much easier to read than to write.
Don't try to memorize them stroke by stroke, learn to recognize parts, as you learn more you'll have to use subtler differences to tell them apart but its a quick way to get started, eg 時, 待, 持, the part on the right is identical so you don't need to care about it to know which is which (these parts are called radicals, you can look into them if you want to).

>>38335104
Core 2k anki deck will get you started but theres really no set number since each genre uses different kanji. The best thing is to get maybe 3-500 seen then jump in to your manga with an ocr (image capture program which copies kanji/vocan so you can look up). It'll be reinforced over and over again but you will never feel "ready" to make the jump to native material you just have to endure the ambiguous process as your brain silently makes connections.

I'll make this simple:

Buy N3-N1 Kanzen Master books. Download Anki. Make fill-in-the-blank cards for grammar points. Use pictures. Grinding grammar points is extremely important and very few people emphasize this. Download pre-made decks for vocab and Kanji (Kanjidamage is fine). WaniKani is a great supplement.

There, you have what you need. Get off 4chan and study. Don't feel like you need to listen to immersionfags; that works for some people, not for others. If you feel it'd work for you then give it a shot, but all language learning requires boring repetition regardless.

>>38335081
>>38335083
Holy shit I recognize some symbols now and can pronounce them. Thank you Duolingo.

>>38335112
>if you're like me don't be a dumb fuck and start learning readings alongside meaning and stroke orders)
no
don't do that
that's horrible advice. Stroke order is literally worthless and learning the on and kun readings of a each kanji it's just a good way of burning yourself

Games with unbeatable bosses?

>>38335112
>Kanji Study
Based, I bought it a while back and even though I dont use the lessons anymore, the lookup function it has is great. Lets me highlight vocab in my browser and immediately check on the phone.

>>38335116
>Duolingo
NGMI

>>38335117
Fair point about the readings. But learning stroke order is a good way to actually remember the kanji, by muscle memory.

>>38335117
Stroke order is not at all worthless if you want to have an easy time looking up kanji by drawing. Though I agree; it's usually good enough to learn either onyomi or kunyomi when you first see a kanji outside the context of an actual word - no reason to grind those out instead of learning actual vocab.

>>38335120
Duolingo's alright, you just need to turn off the wordcards and supplement it with other tools.

>>38335107
Yeah but it sucks more than you might think.
Watching anime goes from 22 minutes of a comfy hobby to about an hour of actual hard work.

>>38335124
Unironically watch anime for little girls such as precure and aikatsu

Man, you can really tell who here actually know Jap and who are newbies based on what they say about kanji.

>>38335126
95% of these threads are people procrastinating actually learning the language so it's not too surprising. You get a lot of advice from people who can't even read a book.

I only do 5 new kanji + 10 new pieces of vocabulary a day. Yes it's slow but I retain more. It's a marathon and not a sprint.

>>38335126
which is which?

>>38335123
Well I wont argue if you want to think so. But when the time comes when you feel like you aren't improving anymore, consult other methods of learning immediately.

>>38335076
Unironically Pokémon, it's made for literally babbies so it's all in hiragana if you want

>>38335078
brainlet

>>38335076
Wow! Now you can use it for all kinds of applications like...uh...playing games and reading manga, I guess.

>>38335082
>sentences that can have many different meanings
vs
>unreadable kanji
Are there mods for emulators that makes the fucking kanji readable?

>>38335132
He's right. Telling someone to immediately jump into any kind of fiction in a second language they just started learning is asking them to get overwhelmed and discouraged. Some people seem to do well with that strategy, but many do not. I remember getting pissed off at even Jump manga back in college because I didn't have enough of a base to understand it.

Pokemon games all have a kana-only mode I think. I'd recommend jumping straight into vocabulary though.

I know this is "ni" because it looks like a smirking face about to say nigger.
Any other good mnemonics for remembering the kana?

>>38335076
Don't fall for the kana only text games meme. That shit is a nightmare to read.

>>38335128
Based chad. I do 10-15 a day depending on how easy the words I mine are. I also stopped doing the core deck and just am focusing on the words that I'm actually encountering when I read. I'm retaining way more.

>>38335129
the people who are actually worried about learning kanji and threats it like something more than a minor nuisance are clearly beginners

Kanji is an alphabet, nothing more nothing less.
You understand Japanese with the grammar and vocabulary.

>>38335097
How the fuck am I even supposed to write the fucking romaji for this, whenever I type shit like that with IME I type x e because I don't know how to do it otherwise, whe didn't work either

>>38335139
i do a core deck but set or add all the words i encounter often to the front, that way its a mix of both

>>38335135
For me, spending a year just doing reps would be a boring fest, i was actually having fun reading Yotsuba week 1 even at a snail pace.

>>38335097
>>38335141
HOW DO I FUCKING DO THAT ON THE COMPUTER, MAN THAT WEBSITE SUCKS

>>38335142
Nice, desu I balance the two and do core words when I run out of new words in my mining deck, and just bounce back and forth.

sofutowea

>>38335144
>>38335141
I don't get you
What dont do you understand anon?
Typing in katakana on PC?

DJTfags need to fuck out of this thread

>>38335147
You're suppose to type the shit in romaji, I can't do those lines above the letters, the software one I was just retarded, see >>38335146
, I've distanced the f sound from フ because it really isn't a fu sound

>>38335148
>DJTfags
?

>>38335144
>>38335141
typically you use caps lock for katakana

>>38335141
if you're typing shit with an ime you're already beyond that site, its supposed to help you memorise kana

>>38335079
>mine
NTA, but how would one set this up? I'm about 6 months or so into just doing anki and trying to parse audio/text in the media I consume

>>38335149
>フ because it really isn't a fu sound
It literally is fu,hu doesn't exist, you'll even see it in hiragana sentences sometimes

>>38335143
I think it helped that I found a good textbook (Kanzen Master), and I guess in general I enjoy seeing the gains that come from intense repetition. By the time I tried to read any kind of fiction (after I decided to put media down and just focus on textbook study) I barely needed to crack a dictionary, which I found much more enjoyable.

>>38335152
I saw the words JLPT and I got a boner for challenges, one day I will get N1, but either way, how are newbies supposed write that stuff anyway? I've only been at it for 4 months but still
>>38335154
No, it's not, hu is part of the h consonants, fu is just a simplification for westerners I believe, western fu, you touch your lips with teeth, japanese hu/fu, you don't

>>38335150
you dont want to know

>>38335076
Oh yeah? translate this
ching ding dong bing bong wahoo

>>38335150
mentally ill retards that "play" visual novels all day while jerking off to ecelebs

>>38335143
Yotsuba fucked me up because I went into it straight from Genki 1 and casual Japanese was basically a different language
But that shock of seeing what Japanese is like IRL fades as you realize it's mostly uniform just like standard nip and used the same way every time

>>38335158
ﾁﾝｸﾞﾃﾞﾝｸﾞﾄﾞﾝｸﾞﾋﾞﾝｸﾞﾎﾞﾝｸﾞﾜﾌ

>>38335076
Unironically animal crossing.
It even has furigana on top of the kanji so you can start on that too.

Grammar, and vocabulary, advice me on how to learn these efficiently, ありがとうううううううう

>>38335163
read a book nigga

>>38335164
It takes me an hour to read a single page of リテラルゴシックインジャパン by 高原英理, what is an easier book to read fellow nogga

>>38335159
and they know japanese

Do you really need to mine sentences to get better? What if I want to play a game in full japanese on my switch how do I even do that?

>>38335167
if you are even asking those question chances are that you won't understand shit

>>38335168
So is mining that indispensable or can I do without?

>>38335165
>what is an easier book to read fellow nogga
a grammar book

>>38335166
>a bunch of SEAmonkeys that can't hold a conversation in Japanese
>knowing Japanese
Nice meme

>>38335169
let me guess, American?

>>38335081
>efupibipi
what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>38335167
I played Boku no natsuyasumi: Crayon Shin Chan edition after having learned hiragana and katakana after a day or two and it went alright, needed to translate every kanji but all the hiragana was perfectly pronounceable, if you've been learning for a bit longer then surely you can manage even better
>>38335170
I read genki, I'm on the second one now, but I don't really know how to make it stick, I can read and memorize it and remember for like a week but I want to actually LEARN grammar, not just memorize shit, maybe I should just do the fucking workbook stuff I guess but if there's anything else I can do then I'd rather do that

>>38335171
brazilians actually

I fucking hate katakana so much.
The nips convert foreign words in the most insanely nonsensical ways.

For example, the city of Zurich. Easy, right?

ズーリック, obviously?

Nope, get fucked. It's チューリッヒ

I gave up at transitive and intransitive verbs. I simply cannot remember something when it doesn't have a logical pattern.

>>38335173
it means Fuck pvp, and he's right. PvP is for fags.

>>38335169
Mining is just adding vocab you discover to your anki or whatever else you use to memorise things, even if it's a notepad. Do you think memorising vocabulary is important?

>>38335174
Look up 'A dictionary of basic japanese grammar'. It goes into more detail about the workings of grammar rather than just giving examples. Otherwise, it's just practice practice practice. There are no shortcuts.

>>38335178
pvp gives your game near infinite replayability and entertainment potential thought.

>>38335176
That's nothing. Look up what a kinase is.

>>38335172
No.

>>38335174
Hmm okay thanks.

>>38335179
>Do you think memorising vocabulary is important?
Well kinda but this method sound like a pain.

>>38335177
Transitives/intransitives are one of the more simple grammatical points, just ask yourself if it's possible to do it to an object or not.

>>38335179
>practice practice practice
But how? I've never been one to study so I'm a bit retarded and have no clue on where to start, I don't even know how I managed to get into uni, do I just keep writing sentences and speaking them out?

>>38335180
just make new builds.

>>38335182
>Well kinda but this method sound like a pain.
Welcome to language learning

>>38335184
You mentioned it took you an hour to read something, keep doing that. You will get faster, things will get easier. Learn vocab and start playing games/reading manga etc, it will fall into place the more you immerse yourself.

>>38335183
Sure but which word is which? Good luck.

>/v/ - Video Games

>>38335076
practice for a year at least before you start trying to play games

>>38335186
>You mentioned it took you an hour to read something, keep doing that. You will get faster, things will get easier. Learn vocab and start playing games/reading manga etc, it will fall into place the more you immerse yourself.
Alright, I guess I'll just keep reading shit, maybe play some games in Japanese and start reading and watching anime. I should probably read a bit of baby manga with more common, and easier kanji

>>38335186
>Welcome to language learning
Yeah fuck me you're right. But how do I make cards from a game that I'm playing on switch?

>>38335190
if it takes 1 hour to read you are probably not going to do any gaming

I'm never going to learn Japanese.
I'm never going to go to Japan.
I'm never going to start a family with a beautiful Japanese woman.
Dekinai.
Dekinai.
Dekinai.

>>38335076
>finally managed to make good progress memorizing hiragana
if learning hiragana was a long process for you, then it'll probably take you a decade to become functional in kanji

>>38335193
>I'm never going to go to Japan.
>I'm never going to start a family
and that's a good thing! Who in their right mind would want to involve themselves with the Japanese society directly?

>>38335191
>But how do I make cards from a game that I'm playing on switch?
by hand

>>38335194
>it'll probably take you a decade to become functional in kanji
As long as he gets there

>>38335187

There are patterns which hold true for almost all word pairs.
For example verbs in ending in す will be the transitive verb every time.
For verb pairs ending in める and まる, める will be the transitive verb almost every time and so on.

>>38335196
>But how do I make cards from a game that I'm playing on switch?
just install the furigana add on on anki and write them

>>38335086
Bro you're a stupid idiot, once you get to a better level, reading only hiragana is a pain in the ass. That's what the fucking kanjis are there for you cunt

>>38335195
>high trust technologically advanced society
>no crime
>beautiful traditional women

Gee I wonder

>>38335196
>by hand
Oh god this is going to take a long time... What sentences are worth saving? Because there's probably going to be a lot of words that I won't understand.

>>38335193
やめてをくださいアノンちゃん!あきらめないよ!!
日本の女性がセックスしたい!できる!デ。キ。ル!

>>38335195
I would bring the wife back home.
I like Japanese culture, but only from a distance.

nihongo ga hanase mase. :)

How many kanji does the average japanese person know?

>>38335200
>>>>>beautiful traditional women
>Japan, world capital of adultery

>>38335201
Really just do this
>>38335198

Anki is good for things like this

>>38335199
>Bro you're a stupid idiot
uff, I stroke a nerve didn't I?
>reading only hiragana is a pain in the ass. That's what the fucking kanjis are there for you cunt
Anon, I sad that the hardest part of a sentence is on hiragana. Which is true
Don't know where do you get the other fanfic about reading in only hiragana.

Once you understand that you have wasted a lot of time with kanji you'll see that gramma, the hiragana part. It's the thing that makes you understand Japanese
You are trying to learn a language by looking at an alphabet

Where are my JLPT 合格ers at?

>>38335205
There's a large difference between recognising them in text and being able to write them from memory. Japanese can recognise far more than they can write. But over 5,000 that's for sure

>>38335205
About 2000 visually.
Average nip probably couldn't write all 2000 from memory or even would think to use them everyday, but if they saw it they would be like "oh, that one"

>>38335207
Thanks I'll check this out.

>>38335200
>traditional women
Lol. Lmao even.

>>38335076
Katakana is the easier one since all foreign names use it, learn your own name for example first
You’re not gonna have a good time when you get to kanji it’s the biggest casual filter for any language on the planet. Retard nips still using it for no good reason other than mug identity

do your reps, brothers

>>38335210
>But over 5,000 that's for sure
Not a fucking chance. More like 3500 for a normal college educated adult.
source: someone who's actually in grad school in Japan

>>38335209
After 6 months I attempted N4. I passed it somehow but it was so damn hard it completely killed my motivation to continue learning this language.

>>38335209
why would I want to pass that exactly

>>38335208
Nah man no nerve touched, I just like writing offensively.

But ok now you've piqued my interest, explain more about how reading the hiragana is more important?

Do you mean like using the particles: は、が、を、で and the like? And I guess the hiragana for conjugation or wachu mean?

What I mean by reading only in hiragana, there's many words that are the same and the only way to figure out what they mean in a sentence is either by context or by kanji.

Cheers lad

>>38335209
Passed N1 years ago and have barely improved beyond learning new words from playing VNs. I should probably start studying for the Kentei just to motivate myself.

I imagine NES-era JRPGs would be good, probably have less complex wording than later titles.

My next goal is to play through this and understand it all

>>38335221
Biggest problem with most pre-snes era and many snes-era jrpgs is lack of any kanji at all. It works fine if you're a japanese elementary school kid who already has the vocabularly and juat lacks the associated kanji, but to someone without the vocab it's just an endless wall of hiragana.

>>38335219
kanji is only for nouns, verbs and adjectives, all the grammatical stuff uses hiragana

>>38335222
Based BokuNatsu chad. My girlfriend actually introduced this series to me with the PS2 game a few years back. It's a sin this didn't come to the west. Very comfy. Good luck, anon.

>>38335223
Even as someone who knows the language rather well I still cringe having to read old RPGs entirely in hiragana.

>>38335200
>traditional women
well, in Japan traditionally cheating was not considered a problem, so I suppose they are trad but not in the christian sense

>>38335219
>explain more about how reading the hiragana is more important?
okay anon, this is a random page of a manga I'm reading.
The kanjis here are
戦争 Battlefield
連れる To take someone along

Now, try to translate it.

>>38335227
forgot image

>>38335228
>(he/she) might bring me along to the war
>yeah, as if, you dumbfuck cunt

>>38335076
good luck anon I gave up a few years ago but i hope you make it

>>38335222
>>38335225
I actually beat that game not knowing a single thing about the language, I now wish I never touched it so I could experience it for the first time while understanding it

>>38335076
>finally
Congratulations, you just got past literally the first and easiest step in learning Japanese.

>dude just try different things bro... just feel it out man.... do whats right for you...
This is stupid advice in this context. Most people who learn japanese for video games or anime are autists. If you actually want to help them, prescribe exactly ONE thing for them to do and finish, and show no doubt.

>>38335228
No....

>>38335115
>Grinding grammar points is extremely important and very few people emphasize this.
Can you expand on this a bit? I tried doing something similar but it didn't stick at all.

Video Games, TV shows and manga are only actually efficient/helpful for learning when you have an intermediate understanding of the language and can read the majority of a sentence. Getting this point will take you about a year of daily practice (at least one hour per day but preferably 3)

This is why you will quit Japanese if you're only learning to play video games or watch anime or whatever.

>>38335137
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DKRgtVLGA has lots of visual mneumonics

>>38335084
You're gonna have a hell of a time learning kanji bud

>>38335233
>Learn the kanas
>Study the most basics of the basics of kanji
>Study all the gramma that you can stomach
>Download the raws of your favourite manga
>Install Cap2Text and anki
>Read the manga with DeepL and Jisho always open, every word you don't know put it in your anki deck
>Every gramma you don't know put the ひらがな + japanes on google to get an answer
That's all

You will never be japanese.

>>38335076
Why do americans think it's impossible to learn new languages?
Meanwhile in europe it's common to know more than one.and all over the planet it's common for the more educated people to know engliah at the very least

>>38335240
I will never be muttshartian either yet here I am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upDFAW15v70

here's the best advice to start learning japanese

>>38335167
>What if I want to play a game in full japanese on my switch how do I even do that?
I follow this guys set up and it works well https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CDbxEIUL0RU

>>38335241
Why do Europeans ask the most retarded questions that take 5 seconds of common sense to figure out?

Europe is a small place that's densely packed with dozens of different cultures that all overlap with one another and have thousands of years of shared history.

The United States is a 200 year old country that is comparatively massive and only shares a land border with two other countries, one of which speaks English.

i just wanna be able to read japanese, how hard is it gonna be for me

>>38335241
poor education, really
not only in the sense of quality of how subjects are presented, but an overall focus on making money through sports rather than pushing academic ventures

>>38335091
just learn 4000 characters instead of 3000 characters
huh?

>>38335104
If you can read most of the 常用漢字, you're good. Manga for younger people like Shonen stuff usually have furigana on everything but seinen manga don't.
But they ALWAYS have furigana for kanji not included on the jouyou list, no matter what you're reading

>>38335173
efu bi pi bi
fpbp

>>38335241
Americans aren't surrounded by other languages like euros are. The only languages we really got over here are English and Spanish, and there aren't high odds of your future boss speaking Spanish. It may be a marketable skill, but most people don't do things until they have to.

>>38335246
from 6 months to 2 years depending how hard you go

>>38335251
The only languages europeans are "surrounded by" are their native language and english.

>>38335235
Sure thing. Grammar is tricky because it can be very dry, very difficult, and on top of that it's kind of hard to make flash cards for. As I noted, you'll want a well-structured textbook with example sentences first and foremost. When I was studying for the N2 and N1, I would study a chapter of grammar from Kanzen Master, which usually consisted of about five or so related grammar points. After that, I would make flashcards in Anki based on two or three (maybe four, depending on how esoteric the grammar point is) of the provided example sentences. In Kanzen Master, there are multiple choice questions after every lesson. Any of those I got wrong would also be included in my Anki deck.

Most importantly, here is the structure:

CARD 1
For the front, I always pulled a picture from Google that I felt captured the feeling of the sentence. This is super important because it aids tremendously with memorization

Also on the front would be the full sentence, with the main grammar point blanked out. The grammar point would go on the back of the card. I was very strict with this: when studying, I repeated the card if I did not remember the conjugation correctly.

CARD 2
Same picture. Grammar point from the back of the first card goes on front, full sentence goes on back. I got this one right if I could recall the entire sentence just from the picture and the grammar point. I would have to speak it.

Hope this helps. This was the most useful thing for me in getting a strong base.

>>38335254
Nice, thanks a lot.

>>38335253
Yes, and Europeans usually learn English because it's extremely prominent. Spanish is prominent in America as well, but usually not in places where knowing it will be of any use.

Though, I will admit this >>38335247
is a huge factor as well. High schools throw endless money at football teams while leaving other extracurriculars in the dust.

>>38335115
>>>Buy N3-N1 Kanzen Master books
やれやれだぜ

So I learn hiragana then katakana then read some Tae Kim then go right into reading shit? Where can I learn hiragana and katakana? And how much of the Tae Kim guide is necessary? Can I only read the grammar part and be fine

>>38335257
you can probably find them for free somewhere online

>>38335257
Yeah sorry, it's kind of an investment but trust me they're the best. The most important ones are the grammar books. Kanji and vocab are somewhat useful, but you can find that stuff easily elsewhere. Reading and listening I barely touched just because I was getting that through other media, but would probably be useful if you're interested in the JLPT, considering test-related listening content is sort of hard to find for free.

>>38335260
Why start with 3 and not 4, or 5 if they have that?

>>38335115
The one thing I will argue with this is that it's well known the best way to learn any language regardless of origin is conversing with native speakers. Not only does this force you to learn more quickly by taking you out of your comfort zone, but there are just certain things that you can't learn purely by studying. If you learn any language purely through study without ever actually having a normal conversation with a native speaker even if you're completely fluent you'll come off as an awkward and dry autist in conversation. This is why if you actually study a language at university they usually force some kind of penpal/exchange program on you.

This is difficult for Japanese simply because there aren't many Japanese speakers outside of Japan. Best thing you could do is I guess make a pen pal request on r*ddit or some similar website.

>>38335257
Paying money makes you less likely to drop it. It's an investment,

>>38335263
Say that to my steam library

>>38335206
>>38335213
>>38335226
seething white roasties, you can never compete

>>38335262
wechat can be ok for this, but nothing will beat actually visiting the place, shame they will never open their borders again

>>38335265
I would fuck the ever living shit out of Japanese girls, even a girl with a boyfriend, but get real man

>>38335261
If you're starting that low I'd probably pick up a more frequently-used beginner book like Genki. The numbers are based on JLPT levels, with 5 being the lowest and 1 being the highest. I can't really speak to using my method with the 5- or 4-level books just because I had already gone through Genki in college by the time I started really studying.

>>38335262
>it's well known the best way to learn any language regardless of origin is conversing with native speakers
I certainly agree, to a degree, though I tend to come to these threads assuming most want to learn Japanese to play video games, at which point I do think autistically grinding textbook stuff kind of has an advantage here. My girlfriend is Japanese, learned English very fluently entirely through talking to people, and can't read a book to save her life because she has rarely grappled with advanced vocabulary or grammatical structures that aren't used in speech. If there are any anons here who actually want to use Japanese in real life, I agree they need someone to talk to.

>>38335206
>>38335213
Weebs really need to learn how common cheating is in japan. They think all romance there are like in their anime romcoms

>>38335268
By what genki book did you change to kanzen? I just started genki 2

>>38335257
I got pretty far just by immersion and mining alone, but not gonna lie that i am kinda interested in this

>>38335269
it's a product of 50 hour workweeks so wives never see their husbands

>>38335271
Yeah I formally studied up to N3 and then just immersed nonstop but I want to study all the way through. I pirated kanzen n2 but thought it was boring, usually I have unlimited patience for study materials but in this case I actually lost interest

>>38335263
trying to buy courage with money it's pretty much talk loser

>>38335270
I finished Genki 2 in a classroom setting before I started actually studying. Did a little bit of some intermediate Japanese book too but I had checked out of classroom learning by that point.

>>38335102
Heisig, if you're a chad

>>38335275
I did a "year" of genki 1 in uni for my sabbatical and decided that I got a good enough of a momentum to continue myself, I might check up on the kanzen after genki 2 then, pretty sure genki 2 is JLPT 4

>>38335076
There is a series of games called "Learn Japanese to survive" Look into them

>>38335076
>Could you guys recommend some games to practice my reading?
No because most don't have furigana. Get some manga.

>>38335234
Cmon anon we need to study hard so we can read the next chapter from the raws
Which will be released THIS year

>>38335277
What the fuck is a sabbatical? Is that a Jewish thing?

>>38335166
lol no you are thinking the djt in int, only one guy in jp knows japanese and he has a granny fetish, the rest are autistic failures

If you go to int/djt click the links and get out. If you stay too long polish anon will bully you and make you feel bad

>>38335233
watch jav

>>38335281
You take a rest from your studies, I'm not Jewish but it's a Jewish loanword indeed.

Is there a different image pack for the Core2k/6k deck that features anime or manga caps?

>>38335263
say that to my backlog

>>38335283
Heh true

Hey bros, are there any good books about Japanese? Not phrase books, but books about the language, how it's constructed, history and things?

>>38335283
polefag is a colossal retard

>>38335134
Find a game that supports furigana

>>38335258
Please

katakana is pretty easy to memeorize, the annoying part is trying to figure out how Japanese monkey brains convert english words into katakana,
ニガー・モーメント

>>38335292
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html
after you learn kana you should get a vocabulary anki deck.

>>38335294
premade anki decks are pretty shit

>>38335295
yeah, the anon that can't piece it together how to study kana will make a better deck on his own, sure.

>>38335295
retard

>>38335076
Number 1 piece of advice?

>Don't know a word
>Look it up because the language uses a sensible alphabet
>Don't know a kanji
>Literally cannot look it up because you don't even know how to type it

Shit language. Made me drop it entirely. They learn English for a reason.

>>38335299
If you learn radicals and stroke order you can literally draw it or use a radical lookup in any online dictionary. It actually doesn't take too long to get proficient at searching for kanji. Eventually you'll learn to guess how a kanji is pronounced based on its radicals, so you can brute force search it that way too.

>>38335299
learn radicals
then you can find any kanji based on what radicals are in it.

>>38335299
>They learn English
>implying
in any case they would do better to learn Spanish since it would be much easier for them and it sounds so cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8lw_-D4TCE

>>38335300
>>38335301
>learn kanji readings and meanings
>oh and also learn radicals and stroke order to be able to look them up un a dictionary

such a practical language

>>38335303
Hey, no one said it was practical. But there's beauty in its imperfection and it's a very fun language to learn. Grappling with the ridiculous aspects of any language is what makes each one fun and unique.

These threads always seem like people arguing over the proper way to learn instead of learning.

>>38335301
>>38335300
these are horrible advices
stroke order is a fucking joke that not even Japanese people take seriously and radicals are a pain in the ass to search

>>38335299
download either Kanji Tomo or Cap2Text, literally a press of a bottom and you can copy and paste whatever sentence you want.
Just search a kanji by the radicals if the program refuses to work

>>38335306
>these are horrible advices
Literally from a guy who has to text hook manga to read it. If anyone needed any proof that these threads are filled with a bunch of retards who like to LARP as knowing the language. Of course Japanese people take stroke order seriously, you dumb fuck. I had Japanese friends/gfs criticize my writing constantly back in the day.

Can watching anime with no subs help me learn nip? I like anime but goddamn do I hate reading anything for more than a couple minutes at a time.

>>38335307
>anon ask how to look kanjis
>get mad because I show him a program that search kanji for him
?
what? You want him to spend 10 minutes searching kanjis? Radicals are fine and dandy if you are lvl 5 or 4, which you probably are. But that's just a fun way to burn yourself and give up entirely

>>38335309
You are such a dumb fucking cunt. Calling people N5s when you can't even do a simple radical search. You're pathetic. And every singly time I pull my N1 cert out and it shuts faggots like you up. Stop wasting space and let people who actually give a shit about learning have a discussion. If you can't write a simple kanji like a civilized human being, or don't have the drive to even try to do so, you should give up on learning the language. Kind of like how you seem to have given up learning English as well. Guess it's par for the course.

>>38335310
>Calling people N5s when you can't even do a simple radical search
?
I can, I start the program, press 2 keys, and it tells me the kanji.

>>38335311
Good, enjoy filtering your manga through three different programs to get a facsimile of the actual language.

>>38335312
>see a kanji that you don't know
>spend 10 minutes looking though the radicals
>go back to reading
HAHAHAHA such a fine and dandy reading experience anon HAHAHA

>>38335313
Maybe if you spent time learning the language instead of shitposting in threads and giving people retarded advice you wouldn't have to look up every other kanji you run into. Pathetic.

>>38335298
Do something new each day

Shoujo Manga is easier for a beginner or babby level reader to read and understand than Shonen Manga

I use Anki + KanjiStudy + BunPro. Also did Duolingo for like the first month to get used to it but quickly dropped it Do it all from my phone, which makes it easy and comfy, I can easily spend up to 4 hours a day revising everything (vocab + kanji + radicals + grammar) and not even notice how much time has passed.

>>38335314
What I don't understand is why you think that searching the kanji in the dictionary by the radicals is beneficial?
Like, you aren't learning anything wasting time looking for it
If I see a kanji I don't know I press 2 bottoms, copy and paste it in Jisho, and I keep reading

Care to explain why your method is superior? I'm curious
I know that you new and all in Japanese, but I want know how your logic works

The audio is all clippy in my Core2k/6k deck from the guide

Japanese niggas have 3 sets of runes to use but nothing of value to write

>>38335320
>but nothing of value to write
I mean...manga basically

>>38335137
For me "ni" reminds me of a seedy alley (like the lower part is a road that goes up), which in turn makes me think "nigger". All my mnemonics are like this.

>>38335318
If you really don't see the benefit of learning radicals, you are a hopeless retard. You should learn some humility if you want to actually learn this language. You do realize that radicals are indicative of how a kanji is pronounced, right? And often indicative of its meaning? You know them, you can pretty much guess the meaning and pronunciation of unknown kanji pretty easily.

This was never a conversation about what was superior, either. You came in here acting like a retard, trying to claim radicals and stroke order don't matter. There's always one of you. I had some dude try to tell me Japanese people don't care about inflections in their language not too long ago. It's just brazen bullshit from people who have spent maybe a month "studying" and getting nothing done. I've never known a guy who text hooked his shit and actually got to the point that he could read without it. The anonymous nature of this website really works to its detriment in threads like these, where people like you get away with misguiding people who want to actually learn something. Sort yourself out. Maybe actually try studying for once.

>>38335299
this was a problem 30 years ago, its not anymore, even google translate, as shit as it is at japanese, has good character recognition, just draw it

>>38335316
Any recommendations?

>>38335076
when i was learning the kanas i played pokemon crystal in japanese

>>38335320
so true
>but muh murakami
shit

>>38335323
Okay anon, I'm going to say that you are around 100 kanjis memorized right?
Let me give you a word of advice for the future if you don't give up that's it.
Kanjis aren't worth your time of day, they are a necessity but a pain in the ass at the same time.

Don't study kanji anon, readings, stroke order...these are worthless, listen to me and study vocabulary, anki is really good for memorizing that stuff!

Now, if a kanji becomes difficult in that moment use the radicals to make a "story" or mnemonics like we call it, but when you reach higher NP lvl you'll see that kanjis began to get kinda crazy and the difference between kanjis and vocabulary gets bigger and bigger

Keep going anon, one day you'll understand what I'm saying!

>>38335323
Oh by the way, if you are paying for Wanikani are some other program like it, even Duolingo.
Give up on those, you are wasting money and more importantly time, read a manga, or VN!

I'm reading Monkeys!! and it's pretty funny

Japanese learning community is the worst, 99% of it is full of retards that spend more time giving advice to others after studying a week and discussing snake oil methods than actually studying and talking from actual experience.
Don't ever listen to any retard that tells you to just learn basic grammar and go read something and just learn the words.
You won't be able to read shit and you won't be able to learn hundred and thousands of words when you know nothing about the kanji in them.

>>38335328
>>38335329
Learn your place, little bitch boy. I'm not even great at this language but you are pathetic.

>>38335153
Grab a text extractor online and hook it up to any VN you might have.
My method so far has been ITHVNR + blank horizontal text html page + clipboard inserter web-addon + yomichan web-addon + JP dictionaries you add to yomichan.
It sounds like a bunch of stuff but it all works smoothly and I'm able to extract text on the fly.
There are probably better methods by now since I set all of this up a few years ago.

>>38335330
in what world learning kanji is better than learning grammar?
You can search kanji in a dictionary but with gramma you need to go the extra mile.

>>38335312
Not that anon, but I personally just have ctrl+printscreen mapped to do everything automatically. Takes no longer than just a normal screenshot. But if it was any more effort than that I'd probably prefer only doing radical search, which is what I do anyways when ocr fails.

>>38335325
Gokinjo Monogatari

>>38335328
>>38335329
>>38335331
Where are you little buddy? Where's your response? Have you finally realized you're fucking wrong? I'm tired of dumb little shits like you who have studied half-assed for a month coming into these threads and misleading people who actually want to learn. If I had more time on my hands I would personally out every single one of you for the hacks you are. Literally not a single Japanese thread can be made without some dumb fuck like you shitting it up.

>>38335334
I honestly have no problem with the method, that anon is just a cunt.

>>38335316
For me? It's Mahou Shounen manga

>>38335333
Didn't say it was, what I said is that is a waste of time just look up the basics and jump in in general.
Taking 1 hour to "translate" a page is a complete waste of time, use that time to learn more grammar or actually learning kanji first.
These "immersion methods" are useful for people who already know their fair bit of japanese, otherwise you are just going to be smashing your head against the wall again and again and learn nothing.

>>38335331
I have almost 4 years of Japanese study and I do know radicals and stroke order(I have 3 notebooks full of kanji I've written down)
Is it worth to do the the JLPT if I'm not looking to profit(get a job) from it?
This is my first post in this thread btw, I just saw your pic from the index and decided to enter the thread, I usually ignore this kind of threads.

I don't think something like WK is that bad for kanji and vocab. Yeah it's a subscription model, and honestly pretty fucking nasty if you're paying monthly with the way they space out unlocks. If you pay for the lifetime sub when it goes on discount during christmas though, it's worth it and dumping all that money upfront is certainly one way to hold yourself accountable to learning a lot of kanji and vocab.

t. very high level guy in there. Can't say I can read or understand even a third of the things I come across (I just barely managed a 90 on the N4 a couple years ago, before the corona thing picked up steam, I was already level 42-ish). But being able to pick out a word here, a kanji there on sentences and piece together some rudimentary meaning without having to look up shit in a dictionary is really nice. Not saying it'll ever be better than a mining deck but if you don't want to set shit up and got some cash to burn, it's a decent option.

>>38335339
It's worth it for the satisfaction of having done it, sure. N1 grammar can be quit obtuse, and a fair chunk of it is stuff you wouldn't normally hear in conversation or even read in light fiction, so if you care about that sort of thing, it's definitely worth at least studying for, even if you don't take the test. Ultimately it's just nice to have a physical certification for something you've spent a ton of time on.

>I usually ignore this kind of threads
Yeah, same. I should go back to doing it.

>>38335340
WaniKani is absolutely amazing imo. As a supplement, of course. It's nice to have a break from making your own cards. I paid for a year initially but eventually bought lifetime even though I had finished it by that point; it absolutely helped me get the N1. No one should listen to doomers who say it's bullshit.

I actually would want something hard, done quite a few of immersion by now, that when i play Kiminozo like 2 hours a day i barely mine more than 2 to 3 cards a daykapwn

>>38335340
I think I have an anki of that.

グードラックユウスチューピド外人

>>38335116
Duolingo is awful for japanese. Please use a resource that actually explains everything. There are a bunch of anon guides for resources to use.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html

>>38335343
Every once in a while, a deck will come up. Some madlad actually posted a link to it on their official forums. It was quickly taken down after being reported, apparently the mnemonics and recorded VAs were enough ground to claim the content as WK's.

I'm pretty indifferent about it. If you have it, I recommend you preserve it and share it, honestly I think the service and the format are pretty dope once you buy in, if you can do it for free then more power to you.

>>38335076
yugioh rush duel and shadowverse champions batle(switch) bot jp has furigana so its easy for a entry level i think

>>38335305
that's because any serious learners drop a shitpost or two in these threads and leave. Time spent discussing how to learn is time spent not learning

>>38335346
it's in the top 10 japanese decks on anki's website https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/266084933

>>38335098
Where is that girl from?

>>38335331
Seal script looks so fucking cool

>>38335076
GUST games seem fairly easy to pick up and play. Very simple dialogue most of the time. I played through Nelke without looking anything up, it was a fairly enjoyable experience.

Obviously Japanese in origin is best, but as anons have said, you have to play what you enjoy. Not everybody can stomach a full Dragon Quest XI for instance. Games with simple objectives and waymarks can greatly facilitate progress and keep you reading more. The other day I played through the main quest in Skyrim with everything set to Japanese. It was a breeze and fairly enjoyable. The dialogue wasn't all that simple but since the game is so easy, I did go through the whole thing.

>>38335349
They probably just gave up on trying to take the decks down since then. It's not a battle they'll ever win.

>>38335349
Thanks for the post.
>>38335346
Got them from a friend online. I'll try to share em once too.

>>38335170
lmao

>>38335083
無理じゃない
頑張ってたら出来る!
諦めないよ!

>>38335299
https://thekanjimap.com

>>38335356
I hate kanjj being used for できる

No one writes it like that

>>38335358
Yeah, it's really sticks out if someone does that.

Should I browse the /djt/ threads on /jp/? Every time I go in there, I feel like I've just walked into a spacecraft full of aliens.

>>38335086
>Remember, learning kanji is a meme, and apps like Waninaki make more people fail than anything else
lmfao wanikani is what finally made me persevere. i'm going hard on bunpro and slowly ramping up my native material consumption.

>>38335359
Like 有ると無い

>>38335360
the /int/ thread has less overall autism, but the autism that's there is hyper-concentrated (see: pollack)
i prefer it overall, but there are much better "communities" out there

>>38335358
>>38335359
sorry, IME sugests it so i went for it. i'm still very early into japanese, nanimo shiranai

Do this and it takes no time at all. Kana is the easiest shit.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html

>>38335363
i tried both for a few weeks each.
/jp/ is incomprehensible autism and insane circlejerking. including tons of thread divas.
/int/ is ruined by /pol/tards.
4ch is just not a great place for any meaningful "community"-building

>>38335364
Try a language exchange app to see how people talk. Don't get caught up in the ます and です too much though when messaging. Ease your say into casual talking. It's odd to message someone for awhile and still being overly polite. Unless in a highly professional setting

I like looking at all the learners struggle and bicker amongst themselves while enjoy Japanese media.
It's hard to think I was ever as ignorant as you dekinais.

>>38335368
や、オッケデビッド

お前って日本に住んでないでしょう?

>>38335360
whatever you do, DO NOT join a japanese learning discord.

>>38335369
I thought david was written like ダビド

>>38335371
If you pronounce I'd dahvid sure

>>38335250
>>38335081
Use fukken katakana for that shit

>>38335373
fuck no
at that point it'd be shortened back to fpbp because finding a way to shorten shit is basically the whole schtick

>>38335116
>5 months learning jap
>Still can't watch anime unsub because everything sound the same and i still don't know half of the words they use despite doing 20 to 40 new words everyday

>>38335076
games are terrible for learning japanese for a beginner, watch anime or tv shows with subs so you can pause, repeat the sentences and extract the text easily.
Even when you advance a little the next best thing are visual novels, some of them let you switch to english on the fly, in case you're struggling to understand that sentence.
If you still wanna do it, you should play any modern jrpg with visual novel style of dialogue. However you'll not "play" a game, you will spend hours just on the dialogue alone and play for 5 minutes because you'll be exhausted.

>>38335375
It'll click when it clicks. Working as a kitchen help in a yakiniku restaurant helped me pick up the language faster. It's all about immersion and the necessity of having to learn for me

>>38335126
This, kanji is not the hardest thing about japanese, the fucking numeration system is

>>38335076
Love Language Japanese

>>38335378
You just have to remember the special saying once. That is basically n4 level learning to know how day say " day 1 or day 2" or "1 long thing, 2 long thing"

So you basically outted yourself as a know nothing

hardest part is grammar because it's the most boring so i study it the least

>>38335375
>5 months
nigga, are you american or something? lmao
check again in 5 years

>>38335380
Anon from all the grammar i learnt, the numeration was the hardest part, everything else was mild compared to it, althought i haven't touched tobira book yet because it feels like is going to be a bunch of cancer.

>>38335381
are you me

>>38335383
As a gaijin you can get away with ひとつ、ふたつ、みっつetc.. for most things and just try to use the system when you get the chance. It's only embarrassing not to know if you live in Japan and even then nips understand it's kinda hard

>>38335331
How long did it take you? Either study time or years total. Very impressive btw, you made it anon

How do you write, "20 days" in Japanese?

Is 20日 "the 20th" or "20 days"

Or is it all context based?

>>38335387
if you think about it, the 20th is just 20 days into the month

>>38335083
I just learned どう+＿＿＿+ても = "no matter how much you ______" the other day. I have over 2000 mature cards and am gradually solidifying my N4 grammar.

>>38335360
If you want to get hustled into paying 800 bucks to learn pitch accent from Matt

>>38335369
Why the fuck would I ever want to live in Japan?

>>38335331

>>38335388
Yeah but what if you wanted to say something opens in 20 days and not on the 20th

>>38335393
20日のあとに

>>38335358
Bro i literally saw 何処(doko-where) the other day in a game, i fear the day i find 今日は as konnichiwa

>>38335159
>that "play" visual novels all day
if they did that I'd respect them

>>38335393
Maybe use あと? Like it opens after 20 days. Or maybe it won’t open until 20 days so 20日まで
I don’t know if those are real jap things I just pulled them out of my ass

>>38335381
I find grammar the hardest too. I miss Cure Dolly...

>>38335395
I think they use it as a stylistic thing, like a well read scholarly character will talk with a lot of kanji for common words

>>38335209
N2 here, got it after spending 1½ years studying and drinking with salarymen in Tokyo. Still feel like a dyslexic child when reading the news, but the groundwork has been laid.
>>38335218
Looks good on a resume if you're gonna work with anything involving Japanese.

Just to be sure, the people that say they learnt just by reading raw manga and never studied at all are trolling me, right?

>>38335397
店は、20日のあとに開きます。= "the store will open after twenty days" for example.

>>38335401
yes

>>38335401
WIthout grammar you are nothing

Going to join a Japanese class at a local college. I am too lazy to structure my own studies and end up doing nothing

>>38335391
So you learned japanese to be a loser weeb that only uses it to watch anime and play videogames. Congrats

>>38335264
Well, you are still here, aren't you?

>>38335405
The college course will run at a glacial pace and teach you next to nothing. 99% of language study is solitary.

>>38335387
You realize "the 20th" is also context based in english right?.

>>38335406
every european kid learns english, and most learn french as well or some other third language. does that mean they all move to the UK or US? wanting to consume japanese media is the only reason i need to justify me putting the time and effort into learning it. and honestly, what other options are there even? learn to move to that country, learn to consume media in that language, maybe learn to communicate with foreigners from that country, be it local or online. thats the only reasons i can think up why youd want to learn a language at all.

I've been learning Hiragana but are there any apps you guys would recommend to use while I'm doing other stuff like working out to learn stuff just to keep myself at it?
Duolingo seems to be the most popular.

>>38335408
I am already going at a glacial pace because can't sit myself down and make a study plan myself without some solid structure to build it around

>>38335391
Bro...

>>38335406
Yeah pretty much, I’ll probably go to real life Japanese learning groups and shoot the shit.
As far as spending time, learning a language is one of the better ways, even if it’s a dead one

>>38335411
ditch shit like duolingo. if you want to learn the kanas, quick and easy would be to use https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html
. should take you no longer than a week if you do a couple hundred repetitions a day, adding more and more kana into the mix (and cutting those out that you already feel confident with)
after that, just learn grammar. and how to move on from that i have to figure out for myself first.

>>38335331
The JLPT means you can kind of read as well as a dumb middle schooler. It doesn't mean you actually have any functional grasp of the language. There's also no real reason to take it outside of applying for certain jobs or scholarships.

>>38335410
The world learns English to communicate with the larger world in a way to have a universal language that everyone can speak. If there is every a secondary language to try to explain to foreigners it's usually in English for most places.

You learning japanese has nothing to do with that apparently and it's just to be a loser weeb. I mean I'd understand if you were maybe trying to date local nip girls studying abroad or something

>>38335406
Why do you care?

>took Japanese class in university like 8yr ago
>still remember hiragana, katakana
>know about 100 phrases of conversational Japanese
>know about 300 words in Japanese
>know only about 50 kanji (mostly for male, female, date, weather, etc)

I want to go to Japan next year to bicycle from Wakkani down to Kagoshima avoiding metropolitan cities. It's about 2,100km with the detour around greater Tokyo area. I plan to stay in capsule hotels, inns along the way.

Previously I went to Iceland and cycled from end to end but everyone there pretty much speaks English. Will this be enough Japanese to survive in Japan? The trip will be between 30-40 days.

>>38335076

>>38335419
Pretty sure you could get by on a travel phrasebook, maybe?
If you can pronounces the sounds without sounding like an anglo retard, that's a bonus.

What did the mods meant by this?

Thank you janny, very cool

Fuck mods

>>38335421
Our instructor was from Sendai so I imagine we all picked up the accent. The class was fill of wiebes except a small handful who were taking it for business (I'm an accountant).

ah, yes, move the thread from /v/ to /jp/ where it'll immediately be over the bump limit, thank you moderators, very cool

>>38335420
why are aussies trying to learn french?

Dumb mods.

>>38335457
Thank goodness we don't have to bear witness to this trash on the front page for days. Now hurry back to /v/.

What's a good grammar textbook to use after finishing Genki 2? I'm almost done with that one. In the back of the book, they advertise an "Intermediate Japanese" series named Quartet but I've never heard of that one.

>>38335241
...you realize most japanese people only speak japanese right? same reasoning applies.

we don't need to

I don't even quite know what radicals are, and I passed N1.

>>38335076
https://realkana.com/katakana/
I used this site 13 years ago and it was a great plus when it came to memorizing kana

I've been able to read kana for years, but if someone asked me to write something with it with no reference I probably couldn't do shit. Anyone else?

>>38335931
I'm beginning Tobira: Gateway to Advanced Japanese after finishing Japanese for Everyone (which is similar to Genki 1+2). Unfortunately, some exercises are group and pair exercises but there's grammar + vocabulary, (enough to push you towards N3 allegedly) listening, geography, culture, etc. Highly educational.

>>38335419
they'd rather you speak English than hear you butcher the 5 sentences you know in Japanese

>>38335209
we here

>>38340149
Can't relate because I simply invested 3 hours into the heisig kana book