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Dropped.

>>.<
>XD

Where was that posted?

This is a sad day for freedom and justice and all that stuff.

Who exactly would go to jail, their US distributor?

>they are dealing with the world here.
>the most threatening is the United States
Wouldn't the US be less threatening than other countries laws?

>>3846424
http://mangagamer.site11.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=720&start=50

So whos worse, Jast or Mangagamer? Polls up in this bitch

>There will be an actual person who will be imprisoned if this goes in the wrong way

They'll probably go to prison anyway because many of the characters can look underaged to the people who matter.

>I'll be posting this on Sankaku Complex now.

Kinda funny how no one gave a shit about Soul Link before finding out that they'll have to remove a few cgs.

Fuck this shit, I'm boycotting MG 4life.
Never bother one of they're titles before though

I think Evospace misspelled "United Kingdom".

>>3846412
I REALLY hope he's just trolling

What exactly are these stupid laws that are in question and are they really that threatening?

Brace for delicious faggotry.

>Also, since it is difficult to go back and fix games that were already released for fairness's sake, they are just doing this to their future releases.

So absolutely no more loli from MangaGamer, if past ones would be a problem.

>>3846472
You must have missed the earlier thread.

thank you america for protecting our ficticious children

>>3846474
How the hell can they hope to release Koihime in any respectable form then?

>>3846480
Let me rephrase that then: Brace for more delicious faggotry.

>>3846469

Obscenity laws in the US at the very least, definitions of child pornography in others.

I do not know why people even want a localized VN industry.

Navel/Circus/Nexton have loli in their games, and they get money directly from how well a game on MangaGamer sells, e-mail them directly. Circus would probably be the best company to e-mail, since Circus forced them to do stuff in the past, and are concerned with the reception of MangaGamer, it is their experiment.

welp. I'm still buying the ripoff download-only Higurashi release, but hell. The thing is, if h-games were a more visible market in the US I'd understand their concerns. I can see plenty of our esteemed representatives and senators having a field day over this sort of thing.

>>3846496
Oh come on Aoko, don't be an asshole. It's obviously because they want some pictures with no pixels in the genital areas and can't be bothered with the moonrunes.

So, about a month before Soul Link comes out, someone get started on hacking BGI so that an uncensoring patch is possible.

How is the United States the most threatening? Isn't England the one that bans all porn except for consensual sex with the lights off in the missionary position for the purpose of reproduction?

inb4 90% of koihime is played in a black background

They should just make loli content an optional patch.

>>3846499

What can navel do, pressure mangogamer to knowingly break laws?

>>3846512

Exactly, they make it seem like they're being watched like a hawk and that there are people out there combing through their games looking for the loli

>>3846512
So, what do you think they'll do with Satoko's naked sprite?

>>3846531

Good thing they aren't breaking any laws (at least in the US) then, huh?

>>3846531
loli isn't illegal in the US, and they are in the Netherlands.

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Re: Soul Link
Postby Compwiz » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:31 am
EvoSpace wrote:Of course the most threatening is the United States child pornography law, but they are dealing with the world here.

Did you mean United Kingdom? Because this still falls under free speech in the US.
However, UK's Coroners and Justice bill effectively made the possession of any depiction of someone who "looks underage", regardless of actual age, illegal.
EvoSpace wrote:Of course, no part of the storyline will be removed. Also, since it is difficult to go back and fix games that were already released for fairness's sake, they are just doing this to their future releases.

How are they going to pull that off for Koihime?
I am afraid that my respect for MG has just dropped significantly.

Who is this? I know you're reading this thread.

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Re: Soul Link
Postby Compwiz » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:31 am
EvoSpace wrote:Of course the most threatening is the United States child pornography law, but they are dealing with the world here.

Did you mean United Kingdom? Because this still falls under free speech in the US.
However, UK's Coroners and Justice bill effectively made the possession of any depiction of someone who "looks underage", regardless of actual age, illegal.

EvoSpace wrote:Of course, no part of the storyline will be removed. Also, since it is difficult to go back and fix games that were already released for fairness's sake, they are just doing this to their future releases.

How are they going to pull that off for Koihime?
I am afraid that my respect for MG has just dropped significantly.

Who is this? I know you're reading this thread.

>>3846515

I always get surprised when people are genuinally upset by mosaics I don't even think about it anymore.

>>3846536

That drawing is so bad it barely counts as art, much less loli. If you show it to a judge he'll probably think it's a ham sandwich or something.

>>3846540

Why does it matter?

Home page updated

04 Dec 2009 Thank you for your feedbacks regarding "Soul Link"'s CG.

A total of 6 CGs from the game will be removed due to having an arguably underaged looking character naked.
Because we don't want to risk getting the law in the way of our future releases, we have decided to cut this CG from this release.
Just to reassure, no part of text was removed from the game.

I hope you understand that it was a difficult decision made under the current circumstances, and if this issue comes up again in the future, we will be sure to let you know before the release.

I will never understand why companies, anime, game, manga, or VN, bring over things they KNOW they are going to censor up. I has to be some sort of trolling.

It works too because people who don't even care get interested.

Japanese companies should get license to sell import versions compatible with translations for things.

>>3846555
But does that ham sandwich LOOK underage?
If it does to the judge and you live in the UK, enjoy your sex offender title.

>>3846541
To be fair, they ARE kind of irritating. It's like what the Vatican did to the artwork in their country.
I'm sure that the CGers at least would be happy.

>>3846569
If I had the money, I would start a TL company and bring over VNs just to censor them.

>>3846584
With made up dialog instead of an actual translation?

>>3846561
Well, at least they're handling it better than Jast, who tried to ninja that shit through so the pre-orders didn't drop.

>>3846584
FUND IT

>>3846599
Only for the non voiced dialogue, so you hear the voiced text thinking the translation is good. I'd also cut out routes I didn't like.

>>3846540

If you have ever followed an obscenity trial you would know that pornography is not protected by free speech unconditionally. Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition would interest /jp/.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

This ruling actually prevented the porn producer Max Hardcore from being charged with child pornography based on depictions of minors in his films. He still got hit hard by obscenity charges though, which is as ever defined by the obscure dynamic of "artistic merit".

>>3846458
>I think Evospace misspelled "Canada"

fix'd.

I don't give a shit about loli, but the Mounties sure as hell do.

>>3846614
This man is the most brilliant businessman the world has ever seen.

>>3846634
I'm pretty sure the UK's laws regarding loli are more strict than Canada's.

Mangagamer is doomed. It didn't even get a chance to really get started and it's already done. There is no way we can look to official sources and companies now when they don't deal out the expected product.
It's all up to the people on the ground, the actual fans and people in the community, to make stuff happen now.

Reminder, their e-mail is here, if you feel like bitching

info@manga-corp.com

I can't really blame mangagamer though, trying to risk it and sell the game with loli would be retarded for them legally. They really should look at what they license, though. There are a lot of eroge without loli, and they're just shooting themselves in the foot with this shit.

>>3846634

Does canada even have an explict clause prohibiting depictions or is it some interpretation at trial? Knowing one canadian hentai webmaster who actually tried to import loli manga, had it confiscated at the border but recieved no charges, I'm inclined to think the latter.

The UK on the other hand actually added an explict clause all in reaction to some sensationalist reports on pedophiles in Second Life. What a tabloid country.

I don't see this as a huge problem, there's sure to be a SICP wizard that can rip the translations and make a proper patch. It's better than having to wait for translator drama, poll tomfoolery and the like.

It'll suck for Mangagamer though, I don't see many people buying their releases now (I never do but I'm a brokeass college student so yeah).

>>3846664
The problem is that MG can't just pick and choose what they license. They have what, partnerships with 4 companies? And Navel has a grand total of 6 VNs. There's not a lot to choose from.

Well, poop.
I don't really care for a few missing CGs, but this sets a bad precedent.
If they start chopping storylines at some point, even hardcore localization buyfags will have trouble actually buying shit.
A shame.
Fucking puritans of the world ruin everything.

>>3846651
They also have some IRC channel, #mangagamer on Rizon where EvoSpace hangs out, probably could bitch there as well

Okay, if Mangagamer releases Soul Link with [CENSORED] tacked onto the official release title I'll be happy.

I wasn't even planning on playing this shit, but it's just the principle.

>>3846668
I'm pretty sure Canadian law prohibits visual depictions (of a sexual nature obviously) of people under 18, imaginary or not.

Koihime Musou ;_;

It's not like any of you faggots were going to buy it anyway.

>>3846668
I don't believe there is one.
As far as I know, the UK has the strictest law for pornography depictions in the world.

>>3846707
Never say never.

>>3846707
Wrong, I've been supporting MG. I actually bought 3 releases.

Not anymore, though. This fucking ruins my day.

>>3846707
> It's not like any of you faggots were going to buy it anyway.

I don't give a shit about Soul Link, but if we don't bitch loudly now, then there is no shot of future games not going this way.

>>3846707

I certainly won't buy any of their releases in the future.

>>3846707
You're right. I've never purchased any localised VN, or even downloaded one. I am rather interested in Higurashi though.

>>3846707
I was going to buy Koihime Musou.

I've already bought three JAST VN's (Kana Little Sister, Princess Waltz, and pre-ordered Demonbane).

Yes, there are people who pay for Japanese media on /jp/. If you don't like it go troll on your /b/ or Sankaku comments or whatever.

>>3846707
Speak for yourself.

>>3846765
I have no qualms with your decisions except for:
>pre-ordered Demonbane
Pre-ordering is not exactly a good move

/jp/ seems like a buyfag kind of place with figures/dolls, the actual doujin collections, dakimakura, etc.

>>3846692
Is this really their official IRC? All I see there are a bunch of shysters who probably frequent /jp/ and pirate without shame there.

>>3846791
I pre-ordered it too mostly because it's either I pre-order it now, or I pre-order it just before it comes out. Either way I'm buying it unless JAST can up one on MG.

>>3846649
Like I was thinking today,

"How can I buy your product if you won't sell it to me?"

>>3846804
>Is this really their official IRC? All I see there are a bunch of shysters who probably frequent /jp/ and pirate without shame there.

No, it's unofficial and was set up by VDZ around the time of Shuffle, and it has been fairly dead for a while because of the lack of releases.

10/10

>>3846791
I can cancel it if I need to.

>>3846791
I can cancel it if I want to. Anyways, I'm confident about JAST and "lol5000yrs old" loli.

>>3846799
The piraters are just more vocal. Buyfags don't have anything to prove.

unofficial patch where?

First Kazoku Keikaku censorship, then Amaterasu polls, then Soul Link censorship.
2009, year of the VN trolls

>>3846852
afaik, BGI hasn't been hacked, and there's really been no incentive to (until now, I guess)

>>3846799
>>/jp/ seems like a buyfag kind of place with figures/dolls, the actual doujin collections, dakimakura, etc.

You can't download figures, dolls, and dakimakura.

You can download doujinshi, but I usually buy the ones that aren't scanned (then selfishly keep them to myself).

>>3846873
WHERES MY DOUJINSHIS ZUN

>>3846873
Here's an idea. Maybe if you actually contribute a bit to /jp/, people won't hate you as much!

>>3846873
I haven't seen you all day. Where did you spawn from?

>>3846673
>It'll suck for Mangagamer though, I don't see many people buying their releases now (I never do but I'm a brokeass college student so yeah).

1. Receive funds for food/hygiene products/clothing.
2. Don't eat/shower/wear clothes.
3. Buy VN.
4. ??????
5. Profit

>>3846873

What circles before I get mad.

>>3846905

The last two are easy but not eating is insane, being hungry sucks.

>>3846412
>Of course the most threatening is the United States child pornography law, but they are dealing with the world here.

America is one of the few Nations that allows /l/. Drawn lolis are protected by the 1st amendment.

>>3846928
The US is only gonna allow it till someone makes a shit about it. We don't want that stuff localized here. Congress will freak out and crusade against it as fast as they fucking can for votes.

What a bunch of faggots, saying Manga Gamer is dead for them now.
So what if they censored a loli, im still going to pirate it and read it, its not like i have anything better to do.
I still hope that they do well, since that would mean more translated games.

>>3846942

gb2/bridge, troll.

>>3846924
You lose weight, though.

>>3846952
I don't get it. Are you saying I'm wrong? If the mainstream media ever caught wind that it was technically legal there would be a new amendment so fast your head would spin.

US is the safe haven for now. I just hope that when the shit goes down, we don't end up like the UK or Australia.

>>3846474
MG never really released loli anyway. Nanami was the first and only real loli with H-scene for her from them. That's obviously why they censored her and not the previous ones.

>>3846965
We probably would.

>>3846968
Is Sakura not a loli? She's a permanent loli even.

>>3846948
>im still going to pirate it and read it
>I still hope that they do well, since that would mean more translated games.

>>3846968
>MG never really released loli anyway

They have. See "Which Girl Should I choose?" and Yoshino Sakura from Da Capo.

I think fan translator is a pretty cool guy. eh translates loli and doesn't afraid of anything.

>There will be an actual person who will be imprisoned if this goes in the wrong way

>Also, since it is difficult to go back and fix games that were already released for fairness's sake, they are just doing this to their future releases.

I wonder how they reconcile this. On the one hand, they're afraid of the law, but they're still selling content they thing might be considered illegal?

>>3846964

America has tools such as the bill of rights that can strike down legislation regardless of how visible the moral outcry is. The ruling that I linked before shows this and protects the status quo.

I agree that it isn't wise to provoke further trials however.

>>3846983
Since that would mean more FREE games.
I know you understand, and you probably want the same thing.

Now it makes sense why MG decided to do D.C.IF.
PS2 port, so no loli h-scenes to deal with.

>>3846982
>>3846991
None of those girls are loli. They have breasts. Nanami doesn't. Why did you think they'd censor Nanami and not them? Because Nanami can't even look anywhere above puberty to BEGIN WITH.

>>3847003
As I said before in this thread, I BUY games to support more games (well I did in the past).
Pirating doesn't really add much support for more games.

>>3847010
And now we degenerate into what is and isn't loli.

>>3847017
Well it isn't hard. Loli=flat and 145cm and below. End of the discussion.

There was naked loli in "Which Girl Should I choose?"
Trust me.

>>3847021
Opinions.

>>3847015
It's free advertising.

>>3847026
Not really. Those are the types of characters that get censored the most and that many people dislike H for.

I don't think there's any law against loli anywhere though. The problem is characters that look less than 18 years old (in most countries).

A pubescent girl is still underaged

>>3847022
Only one bath scene. What tells you their lastest version didn't remove that scene?
Also I checked back the Soul Link CG and they are removing:
bath scene of Nanami with pink haired bitch (1 pics)
bath scene with protagonist II (2 pics)
fingering nude scene (2 pics)
nude Nanami on protagonist II while grey-haired whore find them out and stop the h-scene (1 pic)

>>3847044
I don't think they care. They are only censoring the obvious content. Loli (prepubescent girls) being the obvious underage content. Moralfaggotry at its finnest.

>>3847055

They being MG? Someone should tell that that most eroge characters qualify as depictions of underaged girls, especially if they're concerned about "moral faggotry".

What 18+ VN doesn't have girls not of age?

>>3847080
Any one released by JAST.

>>3847080
Go away Fox.

>>3847091

This is a good solution that works

>>3847091
>>3847101
At least it lead to one of the most hilarious sequences known to man.
Cliffsides and Tundras: THE 18+ IMOUTO

>>3847080
MILF ones

Would it be impossible to only get staff from countries that don't have such laws against freedom of speech?

At least there's nothing to censor in Eiden Fantasia or Curtain Call. I think. If they're censored in any way people will die.

Just how much loli content does Koihime Musou have and if it's as much as people say how are they going to release something like that?

>>3847130
Well there you go. MG should license those games.

>>3847133
Koihime Musou download will be a zip file with a pdf and the soundtrack

http://mangagamer.site11.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=720&p=4281#p4281
>The only defense against idiocy of such magnitude of EN/CEDAW is either denial-of-service/hack attacks or actual deaths of their members. All you guys are doing is the same ineffective squeaky-clean methods that been pulled by countless other "activist" organizations that have not made any progress whatsoever. It's a war out there, and threats that attempt to provoke such conflict need not be addressed with fairness or mercy if they are truly threatening your "freedoms" as you claim--It needs a swift, punishing blow that delivers a knockout punch and disrupts their ability to cause further damage. If you're facing a threat with large amounts of capital, people and resources, then thinking inside the box and using goody-goody tactics is not going to do anything--There's no real "rage" against anyone if people continue to allow themselves to be bound by "civility".

>The existence of EN/CEDAW doesn't excuse Mangagamer for their part in their "cowardice" or "treason", either.

lol Americans (and I am one)

>>3847062
It is moralfaggotry+hypocrisy together. They're fine with girls as long as they have some breasts but right when they hit the DFC wall they censor the shit of it. It happens a LOT. Even in Japanese games. You see Japanese companies doing characters that look underage as long as they have at least some breasts and if they ever add a DFC-ed little girl you won't be able to fuck her.
I could give you a shitload of examples.

>>3847133
>Just how much loli content does Koihime Musou have and if it's as much as people say how are they going to release something like that?
Koihime Musou has girls that look MUCH MUCH YOUNGER than any of the H-able characters MangaGamers ever released. They're Nanami-tier characters (lolis):
Chouhi, Koumei, the twins, Riri (though you only see her topless but that'd be probably be already a problem for MangaGamers). All those could easily pass as single-digit aged if you ask me.

Isn't EvoSpace the guy who runs Beast's Lair? What's going on here?

>>3847150

Yes armed revolution against morality! and DDoS attacks, just as effective!

>>3847150
Lol is he saying to DDOS MangaGamers? Wouldn't that be pretty stupid?

>>3847150
>actual deaths of their members

A shining example of a true VN fan.

>>3847200
he mad

>>3847167
Kouhime characters are based on ROTK.
Are you implying that those CHARACTERS are kids?
Please.

Well, lost one constumer here.

>>3847206
They look like little girls to me.

>>3847197
No, he's saying to DDoS Equality Now and such organizations.

>>3846412
The question is: did they do that because Nanami looked too young compared to all the characters they had before or was it because in the story they state she's not even 1-year-old? (giving more infos would be way too spoilerish)

>>3846412
While this is pretty bad news, there's still a certain irony to all the protests here since 90% of you who will not buy it will just pirate and play it anyways.

>>3847246

Hey man, I don't need to be a black man to protest racism.

>>3847246
Actually I wouldn't even pirate a censored game.

>>3847246
No you.
Many of us owned both Tsukihime and Ever17.
I know I did.

>There will be an actual person who will be imprisoned if this goes in the wrong way, and surely affect their future releases, and worst case this whole project will be gone. It is a risk they couldn't take and it was a difficult decision for them as well.

Just as planned

>>3847278
Ok, Ever17 I can sort of see, but that's highly doubtful for Tsukihime.

>>3847246
When I boycott things, I neither buy or illegally download them.

Otherwise you're just being a whiner.

If they censored this game, I fear what's gonna happen to Koihime. Not to mention any other censors they could inflict in future releases. Then we have Jast.

Goodbye delicious uncensored translations. We hardly knew ye.

Guys give them a break. Its not their fault. It's the laws made by moralfags' fault.

Nobody wants to be in jail.

I don't really give a shit to be honest. I'll pirate it just like I originally planned, and if I gonna care about the loli, I'll just check out the cg gallery after playing (that's exactly the same thing what I did when I played May Club, and Nocturnal Illusion years ago).
I see no reason to whine like it's the end of the world.

>>3847346
Why hello MangaGamers dev! Still being a moralfag over loli content? You're fine with all your underage characters being fucked and raped but not if the girl doesn't have any breasts at all? YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

>>3847356
I lol'd.
Don't take me wrong. I love loli h-scenes. It's just that I don't think they should be blamed. We should be blaming the shitty government and their moral laws.

Anyway, I'm sure there are going to be patches to re-include the missing CGs. I don't know why you're so alarmed about this.

Just download the uncensored CGs and fap to them in one window while the game runs in another...

Are you all seriously considering abandoning VN localization efforts because MG can't legally put a few pictures into the game? Even if the H is especially significant to this series, which is unlikely, that's still not enough of a reason to cut our hopes for games where the H is not the main draw of the work.

Fuck it, just buy Higurashi to let them know what kinds of things are worth porting in the future.

>>3847373
>>3847370
>>3847348
MangaGamers dev found! GTFO. Stop making up excuses. And stop butchering the games you release!

>>3847380
Stop posting.

>>3847278
You own Tsukihime?

...I hate you.

>>3847386
Don't you mean stop feeding the troll?

>First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
>Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

I will just leave this here.
It is only 2D lolis now, god know what is next.

>>3847391
>>3847370 here.
I don't come here to troll. I honestly can't believe he's serious.

>>3847370
Because it sets a bad precedent.
Imagine if a good VN they could bring over (due to partnership with any producer) , does not in the end because there is a 16 year old girl nipple.
If such shit spreads on other localizations like companies, it's an issue. Half the Nitro+ releases can easily be cut with such a mindset.

>>3847395
I'm getting sick and tired of this pasta.

lol.
pedophiles.

>>3847413
It's not a silly internet pasta, ingrate.

>>3847405
Most of us here are serious. So stop trolling you shithead.

>>3847413
If only it were just pasta.

Where I can find uncensored patches for previous censored releases?

>First they came for 2D lolis, and I did not speak out—because there are patches to reinsert the CGs;
>Then they came for the nukige games, and I did not speak out—because I was not into rape and gangbang;
>Then they came for the h content, and I did not speak out—because I was more interested into the story than the ero scenes;
>Then they came for all VNs and games that have questionable content ie violence and implied sex—and there was no one left in the industry.

>>3847423
Not originally, perhaps, but that's what's essentially become for people who be bothered to formulate their own arguments. And often it's not even used quite in the right context, like now.

>>3847449
There ya go.
>>3847448

>>3847373

We're bitching because if we don't, it'll start a slippery slope of butchering in the future.

>>3847448
>and there was no one left in the industry.
Then it's time to take it underground - a "pirate" VN industry would be something to see, wouldn't it?

>>3847498
Won't change the fact if there are moralfags in their higher-up. They'll censor ths shit of their releases anyway.

fucking pedophiles

>>3847525
Welcome to /jp/, enjoy your stay

As the original person who said they would censor Nanami out of Soul Link, I am now giving my belief for Koihime Musou:
100% sure: all nudity instances of Riri removed
Very high probability: all sex-scenes/nudity involving Chouhi, Koumei, loli twins.
Medium probability (most likely they will remain because they are only borderline loli at best): all sex-scenes/nudity involving Juniku, Toutaku, Kyocho, Son Shoukou.

>>3847588

100% Probability: Game will turn out to be shit.

Censor Ship be sailin'.

>>3847588
Yeah it's a shame. Koihime its going to be butchered down, I don't think it will ruin the game for me though.

This censorship is pretty annoying and rather pointless as well.

>>3847625

Yep, someone going to jail sure is pointless.

>>3847625
It will. Chouhi and Koumei are two of the 3 main characters that have a route (only 3 routes+harem). I dunno what they're gonna do about all this. Also the milf blue haired woman has a loli daughter that might be censored as well. If they remove her it will butcher the mom's route because she joins because of her daughter.

>>3847635
Nobody care of them rotting in jail. They could be raped I wouldn't care. I'd rather they'd end up in jail than shitting up games like Koihime Musou.

>>3847635
Going to jail for?
Since when is translating and selling a game with fictional characters having sex illegal?

>MangaGamer censoring 2D

Fucking MangaGamer... Gimme my loli or get out.

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>>3847711
it's 6 CGs. How hard would it be for someone to make a patch to add those back in? Or, more than that, how difficult would it be to, I dunno, just find them online?

What's the point of obscenity laws anyway? People choose what they see, and getting offended from that is entirely their fault. It's not like we put up huge naked loli posters on the side of buildings in New York, *that* would be illegally obscene.

>>3847766
Because people watching porn with children encourages people to make porn with children.

... As far as I know, lolis aren't actually acted by minors, so VNs shouldn't be illegal by that reasoning, but if the UK made that illegal it wouldn't be impossible for other nations to do so.

Still standing by the fact that you can just get the CGs online if you really want to see naked anime little girls, though.

>>3847774
>Because people watching porn with children encourages people to make porn with children.

If this type of argument logic worked all the time, I could use it to take over the world.

>>3847780
Its the same logic used to make laws "for the children" so it works all the time.

they COULD use the clothed versions in the extension CG set.

oh the irony of Manga Gamers mascot being a loli character now.

>>3847803
by the way, for what it's worth there's basically no sex. there is nudity, but actually having her clothed won't really implicate the story in the greater sense.

>>3847809
I always wondered why those chose a loli.

>>3847835
Because it's cute? This never seemed mysterious in any way.

And mangagamer went out of business....

Look like pissing off the only people who buy your stuff...

Mangagamer would've released it unchanged if we didn't live in a world where it's more important to protect fictional little girls than real ones.

They're probably playing on the safe side, ever since that Rapelay/Amazon controversy the media is crazy to report another case of this.

>>3847835

she's 18

I find this whole censorship thing rather unintelligent. We are talking about drawings of fictional characters, created by a scriptwriter and penned by a graphic artist.

I once had a dream (another work of fiction) where I stole a red sports car and ran from the police by driving up a giants arm before my stolen car turned into a plane and I escaped. Maybe I should be arrested. After all I committed auto theft, flying without a license and possibly bodily harm against a ‘giant’.

>>3847853
It's obvious they chose a loli to pander to their target audience.

Most everyone on /jp/ was commending them for their choice of logo back when it was first revealed.

If laws are threatening them, culture is too. I don't think just cutting out the blantant loli will help. All the characters in games like Kira Kira seem young. Not just from the animu drawings; look at the plot and setting. Read the dialogue, they sound immature. Just the fact of having school settings and girls in school uniform raises alarm bells in the skulls of regular people.

They're walking on a blade's edge by choosing this industry (and not restricting themselves to MILF-type character games).

>>3847886

Kira Kira's characters are 16, which is the commonplace age to start having sex these days. It's still illegal in some countries, but I don't think it'll get them into trouble.

>>3847882
As long as you're not simulating raping, or having any kind of sex with minors, this culture doesn't care about your fantasies. Violent videogames are mainsteam, safe and secure.

Man, if Palin got elected, we would never even have the luxury of complaining that loli got removed.

>>3847891
It's acceptable that it happens in real life. But culturally, porn is another matter -- porn for 18 year olds or 50 year olds to enjoy. 18 is the cut-off age for porn, including virtual porn where such laws apply.

(Will courts judge that VNs = porn? Hypothetical, untested.)

I feel bad for Mangagamer: Either possibly go to jail or probably go out of business. It's not a choice I'd like to make.

I'd rather support JAST.

>>3847961
They're just a bunch of Japanese VN producers, not an independent entity. I think. This is a secondary revenue stream. They still have the home market.

>>3847979

No they aren't, they're a Dutch company that only does translations.

>>3847982
http://novelnews.net/2009/06/04/mangagamer-apparently-reacts-to-new-eocs-regulations/
>MangaGamer, although not a Japanese company, is controlled mainly by Japanese eroge companies, one of which may be NEXTON, due to the large quantity of their titles in MangaGamer’s lineup

The translators are contracted on game per game basis, from what I understand.

Why the fuck would you bother licensing (shitty) eroge with loli scenes in them then? Why not just license eroge without loli scenes?

>>3848033
Your troll is too obvious.

>>3848033
because delicious tears

ALL YOUR LOLI ARE BELONG TO US

You now mad?

>>3848379
Yes.

Someone post the censored CGs and I'll see what I can do.

It's understandable that they're mortally afraid of the law (seemingly US law, which is funny since the law in the US is very hazy regarding 2D stuff compared to the UK, say) but this shit is still disheartening. And before someone makes the predictable response - just wait until they declare your fetishes obscene or illegal. It's a slippery slope.

>>3848509
Then direct your baaws at the correct places and not onto manga~chan like those raging underage cancerfags do

>>3846408
stop spamming and ddosing Ａｎｏｎ Ｔａｌｋ .com also stop trolling and harassing us and remove all clones and troll articles and lies and leave us alone if u do this well stop posting these msgs forever

>>3847961
It's not illegal where MG is based. They should just man up and release it as it is. If they're so afraid, just don't accept customers from countries with shitty laws against loli.

>Of course, no part of the storyline will be removed.

1. download original game
2. have someone rip the translation
3. have someone translate missing loli porn
4.?????
lol mangagamers

>>3846410
stop spamming and ddosing Ａｎｏｎ Ｔａｌｋ .com also stop trolling and harassing us and remove all clones and troll articles and lies and leave us alone if u do this well stop posting these msgs forever

>>3848888
This actually involves a few hours to days of work. Damn you MG!

>>3848893
People can hack the BGI engine this month, then be ready when the game is released.

>>3848919
BGI will end up hacked, if only for someone to add a voice patch to Higurashi

BETTER BE TROLLING

>>3848942
BGI is already hacked, but I don't know if the one that hacked it is willing to let his tools be used for purposes of hacking commercial translations. I don't know if anybody else is interested in hacking it.

>>3848888
yeah but the japanese version CGs are censored... mangagamers are the only ones with the uncensored/removed CGs

>>3849040
Removed CGs bother me more than the silly japanese censoring.

>>3848985
I don't see why not.

theretically, if they're worried about MG, they'd probably be helping sales if people have acess to a patch to fix it

Boo-fucking-hoo.

They didn't change the game. Just download the CGs if you really care that much about pedo.

>>3849079
The problem is the fact that they care about this shit in overall, not the CGs themselves.
If they next start chopping routes or not translating VNs with 'potentially' bad content at all, it would be just sad.
Give the puritans ground, and they ban everything.

>>3849079
>They didn't change the game
>Removal of content
Yeah, about that.
This time it's only 6 CGs, with Koihime Musou they're going to completely butcher it.

>>3847803
Extension CG set where?

>>3849173

If they even translate it at all.

But I guess not translating it and having fans do it and release an english patch is better than seeing it butchered.

>>3847835
She's not loli. Compare her to Nanami and you'll know WHY.

>>3849040
Just checked the CG set, none of the removed CGs has mosaic since the loli vag00 is not shown in clear view

I like how they decided to remove Nanami but two weeks ago they released Suck my Dick or Die with an equally loli-looking character getting violently raped, whereas the CGs with Nanami never show more than her breasts.

>>3849334

That's one of the things that makes this whole thing ridiculous.

>>3849334
Must have been a commandment from Navel.

If MG was really concerned, they'd go back and edit games they already released.

Shame this is the high-profile studio doing this. Others will follow their lead.

>>3849334
That girl looks slightly older. Also you gave Japanese HCG set. What tells you she wasn't removed in the "uncensored version"?

>>3849361
Because I've played the translated one, I just didn't bother to extract the CGs.

>>3849372
>Because I've played the translated one
Any good?

Won't be buying Higurashi now. Won't be buying Koihime Musou. Won't be buying Soul Link.

Will be playing them still

>>3849380
Depends on whether you like sex-romps or not. I wouldn't call it specifically entertaining even for a sex-romp.

Does Oretachi ni Tsubasa wa nai have a loli in it?
Only Navel eroge I'm interested in.

Something like this? It's a weird angle so I'm not sure.

>>3849397
Did you edit the genitalia on that? Cause if you did, there really was no need.

>>3849381
How and why would Higurashi be censored?

>>3849401
He did. She originally didn't had her tight pussy being shown.

>>3849334
I just checked back the HCG she looks much more mature than Nanami. In this pic it's not as obvious but in others she has very obvious breasts.

>>3849409
NOT SUPPORTING MANGAGAMER BECAUSE THEY CENSOR SHIT. Of course Higurashi won't be censored. Not buying it now because it would support Mangagamer if I did.

>>3849454
They won't censor it because Satoko has some breasts therefore it's ok to show her nude.

>>3849425
>>3849425
Let's not argue about what is and what isn't loli, and instead agree that mangagamer sucks cocks since they obviously had some sudden moralfag panic attack.

>>3849480
Nobody is arguing. Everybody does know Nanami is the only loli they ever released and that's why they censored her. Because she looked TOO YOUNG.

HOW DARE THEY TAKE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY OUT OF MY VISUAL NOVELS

NOW I CAN'T MASTURBATE TO LITTLE CHILDREN, WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FREEDOM? WHAT HAPPENED TO LIBERTY? ISN'T THERE SOMETHING IN THE CONSTITUTION ABOUT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?

FUCKING BAKA AMERICANS

>>3849561
How is life in the nunnery?

>>3849570
How is raping your little sister?

>>3849561
Problem?

This isn't too bad. Didn't they used to completely filter out all adult content in these games? I think I have an entire HD full of the companies stuff that localized Phantom, and none of that retained any of their h-content.

>>3849561
Problem puritan?

Also, 3 more posts 'til autosage

If they make this move, they'll just lose whatever edge they had on JAST.

>>3849334
It's a different scenario. Suck my dick or die, you know what you're getting. I guess the more plot a VN has, the less acceptable the sex scenes are. Just a place and a time. Like how that tit in Mass Effect caused that big controversy. If it was Rape Effect nobody would have cared.

>>3849627
At least JAST only cares about number age. If the game doesn't states she's underage anywhere there you go (ie Neneko from the drug game).

>>3849570
>>3849588
>>3849619
I like to chew bubblegum and touch loli ass

>>3849652
No, I give the bubblegum to the loli so that she'd let me touch her ass.

Good, hopefully the go under, Jast goes under, and we go back to getting 2 or 3 novels translated a year. It's for the greater good, the only way to save the community from the cesspool it has become.

>>3849695
It's not like MG ever released anything interesting. At least to me.

>>3849737
Kira Kira was good.

>>3849737

Shuffle was a nice opener VN for me.

Autosaging, someone make a new thread so we can continue bitching

>>3849651
Being "worse than JAST" certainly isn't an enviable position.
>>3849607
That was just one company "Hirameki," the only one to ever have an "all ages only" position. I don't know of any other American companies that've released non-ero titles.

>>3849695
Your super secret club no secret anymore?
It's an amazing train of thought where people refuse getting new shit.

>>3849841

>>3849916