/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>39320362
Basically it's about the prosody - parts of language that arent individual phonetic segments (like vowels), but stuf like intonation, stress and rhythm. Basically different languages have different way of sounding and some, like Japanese, have structure that naturally lends itself to certain melodic quality.

In this example characteristic Japanese sound so Japanese because of the way words are constructed from set of specific phonetic units (onji - roughly corresponding to hiragana characters) and rules such us mostly ending words with vowels or "n" and the general way syllables are stressed and pronounced. I'm not a linguist, but guys big on poetry, especially latin one should know more. I learned this stuff learning about poetry and memorising latin sentences as part of one course.

>>39320362
I like Japanese songs, but you're delusional. There's certain things they can do that sound nice, but lots that sound awful. Generic spoken Japanese is only tolerable because they don't usually have weird or annoying tones underlying their speaking. Falsetto Japanese is one of the mot annoying things ever, and they could never successfully do those high pitched type metal songs, excluding those that have a naturally high pitched voice from Japanese being so short.

>>39320362
You're basically the real life embodiment of that S°yjak meme where it's:
>Music
>Indifferent S°yjak
>Music in Japan
>S°yjak goes "WOOOOOOAAAAHHHHHHH!!!"

>>39320362
For me, it's some of their pauses when they speak.

>>39320362
That's just like, your opinion bro

talking
talking, japan

>>39320362
Japanese and the Western European languages are the only good languages because they are the only good cultures.

>>39320362
Mostly soft, vowel sounds.

>>39321036
onions basedboy basedjak

>>39321036
>>39321683
cowards

>>39321718
>Mediterranean knockoff languages
>Germanic languages
>Suomifoamilukkomi
>good

>>39320362
kotodama, holy language

>Why Japanese sounds so musical and pleasing the ear?
https://files.catbox.moe/hf7g7k.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/d72uzu.flac
And don't even make some comment about them using バイク instead of 自転車, it's a faithful cover and the original isn't exactly lacking awkwardness.

>>39323333
I don't get what point you're trying to make, but man what a shitty song.

>>39322808
german is the only good germanic language
except icelandic, icelandic is even better, but it has fewer speakers

Lots of japanese words/sentences ends up with 'ku' which sounds weird in my country as 'ku' is the exact sound as 'butthole' in my country's language.
Haha funny

>>39323553
>german is the only good germanic language
English is far better than german

>>39320362
Japanese is a very melodical language
Especially the mode of speech where they do not drop the -u as the ending, which singers do make use of.
>>39323924
No, English is just german but simplified.

>>39323932
>No, English is just german but simplified.
That's why its superior
a language that can accomplish just as much with less rules is a superior language.

>>39323950
German has fewer rules than English.

>>39321683
:/
:O!!

>Music
> |:
>Japanese music
> O:

>>39323966
>>39323989
you are very quirky

>>39323989
Japanese music does have a distinct sound though. It all sounds the same. I find it pleasant.

>>39323966
>>39323989
>stop enjoying things

it sounds robotic to me because it's mora-timed but i still like it

>>39321036
I am an alpha male who goes to the gym and japanese things make me happy

>>39323989
See
>>39324398

>>39323917
Does "miku" mean your butthole?

>>39323402
>I don't get what point you're trying to make
Mainly intonation, pitch, tone and such in different languages of a song even if they are about as qualitatively faithful as one can reasonably expect (given 20 years between the English and the Japanese version).

>but man what a shitty song
If you don't like anything from Syd Barret's era of Pink Floyd, fair.
If you like something like See Emily Play but don't like this, I think the stilted nature of the song is bound to throw you off the first time.
I mean that Japanese cover is by Susumu Hirasawa and P-Model of all bands, the same guy who did the OST to Paranoia Agent, the 90s Berserk TV adaption, Millennium Actress, Paprika, and is stuff like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MaYy2Spctg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR0eqePZ_l4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9r4tbFLcf4
If he thinks "Bike" is good enough to cover out of anything else by Psychedelic or Prog bands, I think it is an acquired taste at least.

>>39324398
syamu san go to bed

>>>/wsg/4455579

>>39324371
You know, I was going to say from being able to speak and hear enough Japanese to get around Japan and consume much Japanese that it doesn't sound robotic, but looking up mora I see what you mean.
Speaking in Japanese to myself it has a consistency in the flow of producing up until you hit a particle, whereas English vacillates a lot more in the production of words. Like, think of how often someone answer a contrasting question in Japanese will do a "blah-blah-blah-blah-は...", pause for consideration, and then continue the idea. In English that same pause is "blahblah blah blablah is (a/an/the)..".
Is that what you mean?

>>39323993
>>39324326
>>39324398
you will never be japanese

>>39324728
I'M AN ALPHA MALE

pitch accent

>>39320362
>t. hasn't heard abigail

>>39325172
Who's abigail?

>>39324398
Doesn't even imply he has bitches, or friends, or any status worth mentioning. Just that you go to the gym like every sad sap working a 9-5 white collar job these days. Sad!

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>>39324861
you will never be a woman
now go back to your hololive thread

>>39324861

Who cares about another poster Japanese or a woman or whatever on 4chan of all places? Every other site besides this one gives you something to actually find out who they are... so why give much thought to Anonymous #1 compared to Anonymous #2 ? It is unlikely to have sting here and you'd never find out anyway.
You can throw the nastiest label on someone about whatever supposed insecurities they may have, but so could I until I grew out of it at like 14 out of boredom for just (You)s. Actually sticking your neck out and commenting on what (You) think about something is infinitesimally more interesting and convincing than:
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>>39325269
a black metal band from japan. Music sounds alright but the voice is screams.

>>39325980
Well they're the kind of tards who literally would react with that wojak meme if it wouldn't get their post deleted here.
Also Japanese is sex upon the ears.

>>39320362
Depends on he music genre. Rock works way better with english and german
Harbass was made for russian
Bossa nova explores the best of portuguese
Italians can make anyone feel romantic while singing
Japanese music gives its own vibe as well

>>39324804
Yeah. Japanese do speak fast and contract certain words but it sounds to me like they are more deliberate and controlled in their prosody. And I do like when they use pauses and glottal stops (?) then quickly accelerate to normal speech speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADeSZarQBjE

It's because Japanese are obsessed with preserving their culture. Their language does not devolve into "FR FR NO CAP" like English has.

Also Japan has a huge history with poetry.

>>39330996
>Their language does not devolve into "FR FR NO CAP" like English has.
Why are using an example of English that is intentionally non-standard slang in order to alienate standard English speakers as a form of in-group cultural gatekeeping, that if actually adopted by English speakers in general, would be dropped by that in-group and move to another?
And when the people using it interact with people in general and want to be understood - wah lah you get standard English.
If you don't get standard English and they know you don't get it, yeah they either don't care or intentionally using it to dab on you in the interaction. Nothing new under the sun there. Up until the modern time what you are describing would instead play out with entirely different, mutually unintelligible languages, like Gaelic languages in Britain/Ireland and France.

I agree with English having much more rapid meaningful change, but I cannot agree with your post using that example.
It seems like someone looking at modern slang vs. the slang they grew up unconsciously adopting and assigning great meaning to that language change over, say, dropping pronouns, removing verb tenses, particle changes, etc. Just because it is the most noticeable change to affect (You). How do you not care more about people dropping who/whom in spoken conversation? Do you use whom properly to preserve our culture?
The English language is more culturally stable than it has EVER been due to literary, business, bureaucratic, etc. anchoring both the spoken and written form across an increasingly homogeneous range of accents. So now you get the pleasure of half-understanding certain discussions that in the past would have needed a full-blown translation.

If that gets you, man you must be pissed at https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cme/CT/1:1.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext . Though you should be able to read that with only some difficulty if you are comfortable with reading Shakespeare and review something like https://opencanterburytales.dsl.lsu.edu/refmideng/ , since most of the language there has been carried down in some form or another that's just not used because enough people though it was cringe and anglo-saxonpilled fr no cap.

Yes that's a rant, but I do agree with your point; you just did an effective job of making our point seem invalid.
Sorry.

>>39320362
For me, it's because of syllables. Can't sound ugly if you can't say Grzegorz-Brzęczyszczykiewicz-tier shit in your first language.
>>39329067
>Depends on he music genre.
I don't think that's the case. I wonder if it has something to do with language or if it's just genetics, but almost all western women sound like Karens to me, and almost all Asian mens' voices are naturally high-pitched. So English/German for male vocals, Japanese for female ones, and my mother language for both.

Um, is this the otaku board?

>>39332935
>almost all western women sound like Karens to me
Japanese girls sound like this when they speak in English as well, as in can actually speak it and not say a few words in an unintelligible accent. I think it's something with Germanic languages.

>>39332935
>I wonder if it has something to do with language or if it's just genetics, but almost all western women sound like Karens to me, and almost all Asian mens' voices are naturally high-pitched. So English/German for male vocals, Japanese for female ones, and my mother language for both.
i think shorter people or at least people with shorter necks have higher pitched voices

if this video is true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o589CAu73UM
then it makes sense to me

>>39333924
Yup. For future reference, your tab in browser should display the board in the title, as does the url for the site. This site can be pretty esoteric with current UI and web design, so I know how it feels to get lost your first time coming here.
Since you navigated this thread of your own volition, it clearly drew your interest. I can only assume it is because you have something to say about the topic at hand.
Can't wait to hear it, Cheers!

>>39323553
german might be one of the ugliest languages i have ever heard

>>39346062
It can be beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awRVNjwNuTg

>>39323924
fuck no, english is one of the ugliest languages of all time. especially its american incarnation is hard on the ears.
i'd rather have german become the global language.

>>39332542
What a mess, almost completely unintelligible.

I will address one point; I'm not convinced from my own experience that globalization and the internet have made English more stable. On the contrary, platforms like twitter and tiktok are hotbeds for new linguistic trends. It seems like, while there are more English speakers now than ever, there are correspondingly more cultures exerting influence on it while.

>>39320362
They have like, 10 phonemes or something so they have to make do somehow.

>>39320614
Why does Korean sound weird in comparison?

I had to check whether this was moved here.

>>39350099
>What a mess, almost completely unintelligible.
I reread it and it's just wordy. It is not difficult to parse.
If something does not make sense to you, quote it at least. Otherwise I assume it it doesn't make sense for you in particular.

>>39350099
>What a mess, almost completely unintelligible.
I reread it and it's just wordy. It is not difficult to parse.
If something does not make sense to you, quote it at least. Otherwise I assume it doesn't make sense for you in particular.

Because you're used to it.
Angloids unironically think that English is a beautiful language, for example.
I bet Chinks think the same about their language.

>>39320362
Because the language is so phonologically poor, there are no really offensive sounds to make the language ugly.