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And if you're wondering about the picture's quality, it's because I'm not at home.

just stop making these threads.

>>4178126
This.

>>4178126
>>4178132
It's not like anyone on /jp/ is interested or any work gets done ever.

In the last thread you said to 'just put in scenario.xp directory to use' but it's just text files and scenario.xp is some sort of file thingy. I think I'd need to know some sort of programing or something to do that. I was really excited to view Yusumi's route, is there a plan for an actual alpha patch?

>>4178198
Rename your existing scenario.xp file to something else, create a directory named scenario.xp, and extract the .csv files into it.

For reference, here is the link again:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ujzowqnzyde

>>4178126
>>4178132
>>4178138
Sup Samebro.

>>4180270
Third one was sarcastic.

Good evening, Hatsukoi Translation Thread! Did you do your best today at 100%?

Bump!

Bumping for translators

bumping for hopefully more progress.

>You don't even need to know Japanese to help improve the English text, so your participation is encouraged.

yeah, who cares if the english text is in any way an accurate translation of the original japanese text, as long as it's proper english.

>>4184691
saging for obvious KS attentionwhoring and ruining my thread.

GTFO ks devs. this is our project

>Hatsukoi translation thread on page 6 with just 12 replies

See, no one cares about this shit. Don't let that stop you from making a new thread once this one 404's though.

>>4185285

Hello.

ANZU hasn't moved in over a week
COCO is only slightly more recent
COMMON is done
KARIN increased slightly
KOMOMO shows a small sign of progress
YUSUMI is done

>>4185511
Hooray.

>>4185511
wow, the status then?

>>4185285
Don't be frustrated, anon-kun! Let's wait patiently for the project to complete!

>>4184745
Translations are never semantically perfect. However, we can make them syntactically perfect.

>>4187020
Or help out with editing!

Bump.

Bump.

Hatsukoi Translation Thread is doing their best, please watch warmly.

ANZU has shifted slightly, and so has KARIN.

Another 3800+ line week and we'll be back on schedule!

Sweet Dreams, Hatsukoi Translation Thread! It will be time to do our best in no time, so let's rest up properly!

Bump.

bump

Bump.

What are you doing on page 4, Hatsukoi Translation Thread?

bump

Bump.

bump

Shut the fuck up, thread is now about zunechan.

it cracks me up how these threads only get spam replies and bumps. This thread is four days old and no one would care if you'd just let it 404 already.

>>4199620
>I'm frustrated.

up

>>4199620
Because we love to hear you cry.

up

>>4199620

Bump just for you.

I sense a very unproductive week.

Unless someone can translate ~2000 lines in the 2 days left.

bump

>>4201899
!w4lolitaKs-kun! Do not say negative things so casually! Translator-sama is doing his best!

Up!

>>4203100

How are you doing, Hatsukoi Translation Thread?

bump

Bump.

Well done translators and !w4lolitaKs for the work done towards the localisation thus far. Hope you guys & gals continue the project, would be great to have another 2010 translation release!

Best of luck and remember to take a break and not burn out.

If we get 0 lines one week and 3800 the next, that would also be fine.

>?　よくわかんない……。
>? I don't want to know……。

>青空の下、ぐいーって杏がのびをする。
>Beneath the blue sky, Anzu seems to have grown.

>兄妹揃って、パンをまぐまぐ。
>Like siblings, we chew our bread in the same manner。

>振られたのかな？　――振ったのかな？
>――Will she be jaded?　――Will she be strong?

>とにかく――桜井先輩とは、もうただの先輩、後輩より遠い存在になっ
ちゃったんだ――きっと――。
>Now――Sakurai-senpai will be my ordinary senior, and I will be her ordinary junior――probably――。

Why is the Hatsukoi translation so good?

>>4207603
I don't know what this hatsukoi shit is all about, but

wtf is this shit?

>>4207603
If it's broken fix it.

A lot of those are mine, you can see how I struggle with them, my thought process goes like: well, I can say we eat our bread together but that doesn't include the meaning that they're doing it in a similar manner because they're siblings, I could say something like We eat our bread together and because we're siblings we eat in a way that's similar, but that doesn't work either because I'm adding words, how do I keep the original meaning while saying that in English? We don't really say anything that in English, I'll just write it out like that and leave it to the editors.

If the translation is completely wrong it's why we're asking for people who know more Japanese to help out. Some of us working on this are nowhere near perfect but felt mistakes were better than nothing at all.

Keeping it on the board

C'mon guys.

>>4207946
Some of them are wrong though, as a translation.
If you aren't sure on the meaning of the original Japanese, skip it or ask on here.

>>4207946
兄弟揃って doesn't exactly mean in a sibling-like manner.

It means something like, with both of us siblings here, or as siblings together

It implies that all of the siblings are there during the action. think of it as "collected" maybe?

sorry about the weird explanation, it's not a term we use much in english

>>4209786

ALL of the ones I picked out are thoroughly wrong as translations.

>>4209809

Yeah, "the of us together" or something would probably be better in English. Glad to see at least some people are better at Japanese than this. How exactly can you eat bread in different ways to begin with? Seriously.

>How exactly can you eat bread in different ways to begin with?

That should be fairly obvious. Just think back to your childhood days and you probably cut off the edges of the bread because they were harder.

>Yeah, "the of us together" or something would probably be better in English.

That sounds terrible. Did you miss a word or did that really sound good to you?

All this talk of translation and no new lines being entered?

>>4207946
Indeed, I don't really care about quality at this point, just that it gets done. As long as the story still makes reasonable sense.

Progress report coming soon.

>振られたのかな？　――振ったのかな？
>――Will she be jaded?　――Will she be strong?

I don't get the logic behind this.

This thread makes me miss the marked for deletion (old) mechanic so very much.

>>4213756
cry moar

Sorry I haven't been able to do much recently, will try to do more as time permits.

.

>>4213953
When you have the time, give it your best effort!

>>4210673

TWO of us, obviously.

>>4213741

me neither. 振る does not mean either jaded nor strong. It obviously should be translated as the same verb in both sentences. Whoever did that line apparently doesn't know the difference between active and passive forms.

>>4211048

I don't know this game's story and if it's simple enough not to get lost within such a crappy translation but either way, with so many lines that are completely mistranslated it will be pretty unpleasant to read.

Who is the retard that is translating this?

>>4214572
One of you, for all that matters.

I hate to see you so sad, Hatsukoi Translation Thread.
:(

ANZU 1342/5616
B 76/76
C 0/127
COCO 341/4937
COMMON 6754/6754
D 187/187
E 12/12
KARIN 999/4486
KOMOMO 1303/7127
M 24/24
P 7/7
S 0/650
V 21/21
YUSUMI 4435/4435
--------
TOTALS 15501/34459 44.305%

234 lines this week. Less than 1/7 of the rate we need to finish by April.

ETA 2011-08-14 10:49:37

Fuck.

ANZU 1342/5616
B 76/76
C 0/127
COCO 341/4937
COMMON 6754/6754
D 187/187
E 12/12
KARIN 999/4486
KOMOMO 1303/7127
M 24/24
P 7/7
S 0/650
V 21/21
YUSUMI 4435/4435
--------
TOTALS 15501/34459 44.984%

234 lines this week. Less than 1/7 of the rate we need to finish by April.

ETA 2011-08-14 10:49:37

Fuck.

>>4214804
It's none of me, I can tell you that much.

>>4215801

what part did you do? I just picked the first few lines from the first file. I'd be interested to see your work too.

Up!

Up!

I don't give a shit about Hatsukoi, but I like you guys and want to see you all succeed. Keep up the good work guys, and don't let all the assholes get you down.

If I knew Japanese I'd help bros.

>>4219291
Editing. I've seen a few spelling errors going around.

>>4219398
Uh, that's not really what an editor is doing.

>>4219427
Then what do you call it?

Keep up the good work, Translator-sama! You can do it, I believe in you!

I dont give a shit about the translators I just want to play this game

>>4221057
You should care! Translator-sama is doing us a great deed!

>>4221030
I also believe!~

bump

bump

Good news everyone, the translation is now officially dead. We can finally stop having these threads and all forget about it.

>>4223562
/int/

Good morning, Hatsukoi Translation Thread! Are you doing your best this morning?

sorry, nameserver issues

Why bump the thread if the server is down? Jesus Christ.

When are you Anonix guys going to move out of your mommy's basements?

Seriously, using free webhosting is inexcusable in this day and age unless you're an elementary school kid. You seriously can't find a guy who's paying $7/month and freeload off his shitty Dreamhost account? Really?

69.162.119.163 retransintl.freewebhostx.com

Add that to your HOSTS file and it'll work. Servers are faster than usual since noone else knows the address now (remember when 4chan's DNS was down?)

>>4224992
How old are you?

>>4219242
Unfortunately the biggest asshole is lolita himself

>>4178092
Now you did it once again. You never learn, do you? Kindly STOP spamming, harassing and generally attacking the best site on the Web: www. anon
talk
. com, please. We DO NOT want you there. We never did. GOT IT? If you want these messages to stop, simply STOP fucking with us, remove all lying troll articles about AT and kill all the illegal clones (using whatever method necessary). Then you will never be bothered again. Every single time we see the slightest attack or spam on our site (which can be reasonably expected to origin here or any related "chan"), you will get 4,523 more of these messages as a result. It's really up to you. This is a promise that WILL be kept up indefinitely if need be. Seriously.

Yours sincerely, an anonymous AnT and general well-doer of the Internet as a whole.

>>4224962
Server is up.

>>4224964
I'm not letting my IRL stuff get mixed with anon projects. Besides, paid hosting has downtime too, and changing hosts is harder than just finding a free one somewhere. We have backup plans too.

>>4225007
27

>>4225161
Back to TLwiki please.

>>4225007

old enough not to be insulted by a pointless, generic ad hominem remark like that.

>>4225226
why does me saying you're an asshole mean i'm from tlwiki?

i don't visit tlwiki, but I can tell just by your posts that you're a total douche

>>4225226
>27
And you're using free hosts for your projects?

No wonder you get a hard-on over bossing people around in /jp/.

>>4225226
lol you're 27?
shouldn't you grow up and stop being such a jerk? or do you get your kicks off bossing people around on the internet and treating them like crap?

>>4225623
>>4225826
>>4225603
You could at least try to pretend these were different people.
Adding capital letters to one of them was a nice try, but unfortunately you left the character of your writing the same.

Where is that internet cafe guy who was in japan or some shit? It seems like he was the only one getting shit done around here.

>>4226066
Currently busy with issues IRL.
Normally I'd take some time out to do this kind of stuff, but I was rather appalled at Lolita's behavior in the last thread so I'm not doing anything right now. I may start up again once I have more free time, but at this point in time I don't find it worth the effort to translate for this project.

>>4226188
Not like I care. If you guys don't want this done I'll close it.

>>4226197
At the very least, you could respect the work the translators are doing.

>>4226197

Amazing. One of the few translators gives a valid reason for not doing work but is willing to start translating again and you're still a total fucking cunt to him.

>>4226197
Do two things.
Quit acting the child and stop being trolled.

Hatsukoi Translation predictions:

[x] Drama erupts
[ ] Lolita takes down the work in anger
[ ] Everyone rages because everyone was too lazy to back anything up.

>>4226197
This is exactly what I'm talking about （´Д｀）

>>4226197
Stop being a fucking idiot. There's lots of translation projects out there where translators just diseappear without saying anything, or where progress is much slower than yours.
You got it good, so don't act like everything is horrible for you.

You guys might want to get and IRC channel going on Rizon.

You fucking piece of shits, why is there not much of a progress again? All of you are lazy bastards who aren't doing anything productive, unlike me who's bitching at you guys constantly. Do you have any idea how bothersome it is to constantly be a douchebag with you guys?
I'm going to shut this project down if you can't finish the rest by tomorrow.

>>4226197

Do it faggot. I couldnt give a shit less,

>>4226328
I will when it's done.

Don't count your chicks before they hatch.

Guys :( stop and take a couple of deep breaths. You've gotten this far haven't you?
Let's all become a family again and play nice, okay?
I like you guys :(

>>4226597
You might be having fun being the ultimate project manager, but to other people that's annoying as hell. People are doing this on their free time, they have no obligation to finish anything.
And then you, the project manager, go whining at them because of lack of progress. Good fan translation projects don't work like this.

>>4226597
Do you even understand what respect means?
Stop being so self-absorbed.

I think that we should get rid of lolita and have someone considerate to run this.

wtf is with all the bawwwwwwwwww

just shut the fuck up and translate

I dont know what to say, Hatsukoi Translation Thread. I thought we were doing our best together?

>>4226811
I thought we were doing our best together, too! Even though I can only help you guys through moral support I want to see you pull through this, Hatsukoi Translation Thread!

Oh come on Hatsukoi thread. You've gotten so far!

What is the big deal with April anyway, lolita?

>>4226884

April 1st aka April fools day is HURR DURR SO FUNNY AND RANDUM XDDD

Am I the only one who respects the work the translators and even lolita are doing, I couldn't care less about the speed the fact that it's being translated warms my heart

>Am I the only one who respects the work the translators and even lolita are doing

I'm sure the other people working on the project feel the same, but no one else does. Sorry.

>>4227307
Why don't you take all your troll shit back to /b/.

Reported for violating rule #3

>>4227379

BAAAAAAAAW the truth hurts

Report yourself for pretending to be someone interested in this shit project.

>>4227397
moot is right we need moderation. Shit like you would be permabanned really fast not go back to that shit hole /b/ you craweled out of fagget.

>>4227416

permabanned? Oh please no, I don't want to restart my router, it takes around 10 secs to start up.

But maybe a moderated could do something about threads being bumped back up for days if obviously no one cares about them other than the one who made it.

>craweled out of fagget

and you say I come from /b/? Oh the irony...

Guess I'll bump this too.

>REtrans™

I've never really been inside these threads, but why the hell is /jp/ so hostile to them? What's wrong with a translation project?

Congratulations 80.136.59.24, you just got Amsterdam banned.

>>4228144
It's because lolita is really rude to everyone and does nothing but be the ULTIMATE MANAGER OF THE PROJECT while proceeding to do jack shit and boss people around.

>>4228144
There has been one person who has been angry since the start of the project that it takes up one of the spaces on the front page for a couple of hours a day that could otherwise be used for yet another Umineko/Touhou thread. Go through the thread history in the archive and you'll see him in every thread.
Now it seems he's started trolling a lot more effectively.

>>4228245
>implying that it's all the same person

>>4228301
It's too clear to be considered implying.
But you are right.
They are TWO.

>>4228322
So far I know there are at least 3 other people besides myself who have posted here about lolita.

>>4228344
Those 3 other people are Skannontrice.

>>4228322
I think the people complaining about the thread and the people complaining about Lolita are different. People complaining about the thread may complain about Lolita using this thread in /jp/ just to boast about RETrans or whatever, but I doubt they'd stay long enough to realize the full extent of how much of a douche he is.
The people complaining about him being a jerk are the people who stay in the thread and possibly contribute to the project.

>>4228352
What's Skannontrice?

>>4228360
The ones who actually translate/edit never really seem to complain.
People who are like work inspectors pop up to tell him whatever.

>>4228371
read >>4226188

are you new to this thread?

>>4228385
In all the previous threads, that was the case.
Not to mention, no idea if that guy actually does anything.

>>4228404
Apparently you didn't read the thread right before this one, which also happened to disappear faster than normal for some reason (starting to think maybe lolita deleted it).

Lolita got pissed off at the translators for not going fast enough and after that the person who had translated the Yusumi route quit.

>>4228360
I'm one of the people who complained about Lolita.
Seriously, I think it's great that /jp/ is getting together to do something and things are actually working out, but Lolita's behaviour has started to annoy me.

>>4228438
...Really, people?

>>4228448
you seem to be the only one defending lolita.

might want to put your tripcode back on lol

As a 4chan regular for a few years, it isn't like anon to get offended so easily. May I ask, what the fuck is going on?

Also, lolita has been pushing the project forward for the past few months. If he hadn't done anything, all of you would probably forget about it and it'd die like the other /jp/ projects that never made it past the planning stage.

Hey translators (and the translators who have ragequit already), how about doing something else, which would be a lot more appreciated than Hatsukoi?

http://vps.k-link.net/entrans/main.php

I for one would be really pleased if whoever gave up on this project would try helping this out instead. Also, even the interface is better.

>>4229114
loli and incest > some shitty fandisc

Gave it a try.

Still is slightly above my level, so I just picked lines that seemed somewhat understandable.

>>4229114
Fate Hollow/Ataraxia? That hasn't already been translated?

I could give it a try, but to be honest I haven't played FSN (although I've watched the anime). Would I still be able to know what's going on?

>>4229520
Seeing as how it's based around a route that wasn't presented at all in the anime, it'd be a little difficult.

>>4229544
I see...

In that case, I'm not sure. I don't want to butcher a translation due to a lack of background knowledge of the game :/
I'll read some more of the script and think about it.

By the way, I edited some lines, but I like the interface of the project :D
The only projects I've worked on up until now (VN-wise at least) are Clannad and this, but I like this interface... Are most projects done using this kind of style?

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

>>4229114
lol entrans

even shittier than retrans BUT AT LEAST IT'S WEB 2.0 PRETTY AMIRITE?

>>4229782
At the very least you can edit the whole file at once, instead of line-by-line.

Someone's changing lines to read "The pleasure of being cummed inside".

Just so you guys know.

I care about Hatsukoi. Komomo FTW.

>>4229892
Don't just stare blankly, revert them!

Also, I sense another mass subnet ban.

>>4229939
why don't you revert them yourself?

Sure is a lot of hate here, I guess /jp/ doesn't want to see more vn's in english

>>4229999

English is fine, but not this near-babelfish shit level sort of translation.

>>4229999
Its one or two pricks that think their /b/ grade shit is OK in /jp/. Report it.

>>4230031
lolita why don't you put your tripcode back on?

>>4230054
I am so sorry you guessed wrong troll. Anonymous has always been anonymous.

>>4230071
I'm not a troll. Try reading the thread more before thinking it's some "/b/ shit", seriously.

Dammit, and here I am thinking that /jp/ would finally get its shit together and complete a translation project.

I guess not. ;_;

>>4230177
If lolita stopped bossing people around and started being nice to people we may have gotten somewhere.

>>4230229
This.

Even when someone contributes a shit ton to one of these projects he never shows any gratitude. The only thing he does show is his annoyance that you couldn't get it done sooner, than he orders you to go work on it some more.

Fork the project if you can't stand him. Open Source does this.

Why does every translation project end in drama?

>>4230229
You think I wouldn't be nice if I see great progress, like what we had a week or two ago?

>>4231307
you were a total dick after we had good progress

>>4230020

Then why don't you stop complaining and actually do something useful, TL checking, Editing, whatever.

>>4229027

I'm the same and whilst it may be like that for other boards we all mainly seem to get along here. This translation project is based on the efforts of people who are actually willing to sit down and translate something that isn't really that popular and keeps getting negative comments posted (HURR STOP BUMPING FAGGOTS etc.) but they persevere. But when your apparently project leader can't sit down and appreciate the fact that notable progress has been made but instead bitches and moans at every little thing then well.. it's mildly annoying for the translators and even for me even though I'm only a bumpfag. I could go on but I doubt anyone cares.

>>4230020

Then why don't you stop complaining and actually do something useful, TL checking, Editing, whatever.

>>4229027

I'm the same and whilst it may be like that for other boards we all mainly seem to get along here. This translation project is based on the efforts of people who are actually willing to sit down and translate something that isn't really that popular and keeps getting negative comments posted (HURR STOP BUMPING FAGGOTS etc.) but they persevere. But when your apparent project leader can't appreciate the fact that notable progress has been made but instead bitches and moans at every little thing then well.. it's mildly annoying for the translators and even for me even though I'm only a bumpfag. I could go on but I doubt anyone cares.

This translation is going to be full of flaws unless you have a tl checking team big enough to compensate for the disorganized translation.

>>4231424
>>4231438
You make a translation project. You see it start off well and then slow down for a little bit, with promises of things getting faster later on. That time comes and it does indeed go faster. Then... stagnation. NOW WHAT?

As the saying goes, "put yourself in my shoes".

>>4231544

I be patient and observe that I'm recruiting volunteers?

>>4231544
you encourage the translators to do better or ask if something's wrong

you don't fucking belittle them for not doing well, then insult them later while implying they have no work experience

saying shit like "that translator better be faster from now on" etc...
that's just NOT what you say dude, it's common sense
are you purposely trying to get the translators to hate you?

YOU try putting yourself in the translator's shoes.

>>4231544

You've been negative for the entire duration of the project apart from one week where considerable progress was made. It's not a matter of putting myself in your shoes, it's the fact that you can't even act remotely friendly amongst the translators and instead treat them like shit with your "I don't care" attitude.

You deliver, you get praised.
You don't, you won't.

Fair, no?

>>4229782

>even shittier than retrans BUT AT LEAST IT'S WEB 2.0 PRETTY AMIRITE?

Not to distract everyone from their drama, just want to make a pedantic comment.

Don't have to use the webface, download the files and edit away (one person was doing it that way). Don't see any Web 2.0, either.

>>4231664
Yeah, that's fine, but you're not doing it that way
Your method is more like this

You deliver → You get mildly congratulated and asked to do more
You don't →　what are you doing? you better get more work done. why aren't you doing this faster? you don't have lives or jobs, why can't you do this faster?

and in the meantime
>lolita, why aren't you fixing this problem?
LOL I'M TOO BUSY MANAGING HIGURASHI LEAVE ME ALONE FULL WIDTH CHARACTERS LOOK FINE FAGGOTS.
WHAT'S THAT? THEY LOOK UNACCEPTABLE?
YOU'RE ALL BLIND, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT FULL WIDTH CHARACTERS LOOK GREAT.

>>4231664

That'd be a fair system of judgment, if you bothered to follow it.

Please, !w4lolitaKs-kun, reconsider your feelings. Translator-sama was doing his best and the project is nearly halfway done!

>>4231611

Somebody better be listening. You know things aren't going right when there's a coherent comment on /jp/ explaining how much of a dick you are.

>>4231664
"deliver" us something besides insults and your fucking arrogance lolita.

All I want is Anzu finished, it's all I want.

Oh, and:

>>4229567
>Are most projects done using this kind of style?

This is a one-off - the interface came from some Indian Linux localization project (with modifications). Pootle was the other option.

http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/outside-voices-careers/2008/7/7/management-is-not-a-popularity-con
test.html

>>4231813
thanks for the info ^^
I did a little translation on one of the files that's needed for the next release (? not really sure, it was on the todo for that).
I like the writing so I may continue, albeit slowly (kinda busy irl)

>>4231837
Quote from the article:
Of course, the fact that you can't be liked by everyone isn't license to be a jerk. Part of being an effective manager is retaining good people, after all, and good people don't want to work for jerks. But you do need to make peace with the fact that there will forever be people complaining about that horrible person they worked for, and that horrible person will be you.
Also keep in mind, this is not a job, and lolita was not hired and selected to be a manager. He is self-appointed, definitely not qualified, and certainly not competent.

>>4231839

I'm guessing the school/Issei scene? Missing a few spaces here and there, but otherwise looking pretty good. I could never finish it, Issei's speech is just too damn annoying...

>>4231922
LOL yeah that one!
I thought it was annoying too and had a lot of political terms etc, but the writing style is really nice and makes it at least interesting to translate :D

>>4231687
I have no idea how to fix the fullwidth text, ok? Cudder will be doing that. And as I've said multiple times before, I DO do a lot of background work on this godforsaken project.

It makes me wonder whether or not you anons even want this done, if you're so reluctant to move this project forward. Don't take it personally --- I just want to see some real progress here.

>>4231988
THEN STOP ACTING LIKE A GIGANTIC DOUCHEBAG

>>4232024
Why don't you start by being more specific.

Meeting is adjourned. Let's get back to work. Next progress report is in 5 days, I'm looking forward to something good happening by then.

>>4232043
are you fucking serious? be more specific? look at all the responses!!

stop acting like a manager, you're just a stupid asshole on the internet, you're nothing dude!

thanks for making my decision for me.
I'm the one who translated Yusumi (lol remember? the week you got a big spike in progress?).
I quit. Fuck you lolita.

>>4232079
>BAWWWWWWWWWW

>>4232043
i cant even comprehend what goes on in your mind.

the translation is something done out of interest, its not a job, hell, its not even a duty.

i understand wanting to get things done, but drive a horse too hard and it will throw you off.

LOL INTERNET.

>>4232079
lol, walking out just because you got pissed off?

fucking weakling.

>>4232079
Good luck finding a job with that atitude.

lol drama

I was really looking forward to this, I always thought lolita was an asshole and felt sad for the translator who couldn't keep up because of games.

Hopefully this kind of shit won't stop you guys from translating a great loli incest VN.

fags from gg are enjoying your drama

>>4232135
Its the fucking internet, go grow your epeen elsewehere

>>4232120
except he would be getting paid if it was a job, stop confusing things.

>>4231929

Thanks, make a note on the wiki or forums if you need any help (there are also images that need to be transcribed/translated, btw, if that's more interesting).

I'm only tracking edits from the server log (i.e. by IP), so if you want to be on the credits list, you'll have to let someone know who you are :-/

Hey, can you at least keept these threads going? They've been here so long that it's ingrained into my consciousness. They already got rid of the two stickies at Plus4chan's /n/ board, so this and Japanese Bird are all that I have left.

At this point, I'm also going to ask "What the fuck, anon?" since any further remarks are just going to get you guys to reply with vague immature insults.

>>4232158
Where are the images that need to be translated?

Conjecture: All translation projects eventually cause drama.

The drama faggotry was just a plan to draw more attention to the project.

Loli incest hentai is apparently serious fucking business.

>>4232250

In SVN (i.e. under revision control). Read-only webface here:

http://vps.k-link.net/websvn/listing.php?repname=fateha&

Look in trunk/images. There's many more that need to be done, those are just current ones.

If you're seriously interested, drop a message to Ranmafan and I'll give you write access and instructions. Otherwise, you can just take a few and upload/email/etc.

The image guys also keep their own page on the wiki:

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Fate/Hollow_Ataraxia:Translating_images

>>4232305
cool, thank you!
I tried making an account on the forums but the image verification step wouldn't accept my answer for some reason... I sent a message to the admin so hopefully I can get in soon.

>>4232301

How dare you suggest otherwise!

>>4232301
>incest hentai
>fucking business

Redundancy FTW.

>>4232333

Beast's Lair forums also work (better place for stuff like technical translation discussions, and also the source of a good chunk of text):

http://nrvnqsr.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=walk

And I think editing a user's talk (discussion) page on the wiki also sends them a message directly (though tlwiki doesn't seem to have email functioning, oddly)

>>4232384
thanks a lot!

one more question though.. .the images are all in a tlg format
sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do i open these?

>>4232443
I don't think you have to, people on Wiki project are already editing them, and quite a bit of them are already done.

>>4232448
i thought there were images that needed to be translated?

>>4232451
Well, I have no idea how to open them. It'd be better to ask project people themself.
http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Fate/Hollow_Ataraxia:Translating_images

>>4232443

Ehh, the best way is probably Susie with a TLG plugin (I won't look for the links right now, but should be easy enough to find).

There's also a tool called "krktpc" included with the Kirikiri SDK, which is *supposed* to convert between formats. We've had a lot of problems with lost alpha channel, odd colours, etc., though, so we decided to have the image editors check their own work and convert to TLG before committing changes to SVN...

The image-related (including Subversion) info really needs to be organized and put up on the wiki. I'll try to do it by next week.

Alternatively, sushimonster and rampage202 are both "in the know" about the process...

Alright, would someone tell me what exactly happened here? It looked like it was going fine until somewhere around >>4224962, and then shit hit the fan. !w4lolitaKs is, to put it mildly, rather irritated, and wants me to step in for a while.

But someone please enlighten me on the past events. What the hell derailed the project?

>>4232491
alright, if there'll be a guide or something next week i'll just wait until then. i just wanted to see an example of the kind of images that needed translating.

once again, thank you for all the help/information ^^

>>4232517
!w4lolitaKs was getting his jollies off trying to act like the stern boss from Hell, and the translators finally told him to go eat a dick.
I guess he didn't realize that people only put up with manager abuse because they get monetary compensation for it.

>>4232491

Actually, scratch that...

Download Susie here:

http://www.digitalpad.co.jp/~takechin/download.html

TLG plugin here (can also get the XP3 plugin, if you want to extract files directly from xp3 archives):

http://elku.at.infoseek.co.jp/other.html

(just extract it in the same directory as the main app)

Susie v0.47b and TLG plugin v0.03 seem to work for me. That's about all I know, you'll have to ask the two other guys for details, probably.

>>4232519

There are some BMP and PNG images left over, too, if you look around (actually, many of the untranslated ones are). Stuff in older revisions (before the release, basically) are all bitmaps/PNGs, too.

Please take your Fate/whatever discussion to another thread. We're trying to understand what happened with the Hatsukoi project here.

>>4232525
Spare the vernacular and be serious. Was she really that bad?

>>4232554
>Was she really that bad?
That's irrelevant. What matters is that the translators certainly seem to think so.

>>4232554
Not >>4232525, but I have generally found !w4lolitaKs to be rude most of the time, unnecessarily so. Even in the weeks where the translation effort made great strides he showed little care. A little respect goes a long way, but he could not even manage that.

>>4232566
>>4232557

So do the remnants want a new project manager/editor? What exactly is needed?

>>4232574
The best translator left, all we have now is the dregs; including myself. I translate at 85% accuracy, I'm slow, and I'm off the project till graduation in April. If possible we could try acting especially nice to >>4226188 who is our best hope at finishing with a fantastic translation. Otherwise you're stuck with people like me.

>>4232574

Would probably be best to just put the stuff on tlwiki for security if you're going that route.

>>4232566
I don't know why you'd think otherwise, but she seemed pretty pleased (check archive)...
4026174 4035671 4044748 4059997 4065199 4067419 4068475 4077840 4080106 4081636 4084202 4086050
4100694 4107296 4109582 4131860 >>4214468

Then it looks like trolls started clogging up the thread, progress slowed, and then it's quite natural for you guys to find the most prominent poster with a name and blame it on her, even though looking at all the past threads the majority of the negative posts have been from other anons.

Also, trolling the translated text with /jp/ memes doesn't exactly exude innocence on your part, anon.

>>4232574

For the uninformed but curious: can someone make a cast list of all this drama?

I mean, he? She? Now there's another guy (?) on the scene? Who is (or was) in charge of what, anyway?

And if the problems went on for a while, what prevented somebody from forking it already?

>>4232554
Being someone who's followed these threads from the start (I actually started the first one) I can probably best explain. There were two primary translators on the project in the beginning, one was doing Common, one was doing another route, Karin I think. I quit when it became obvious that there were too many people working on the same lines of text, the first few pages of Anzu are a mess because of that (see
>>4207603 which is part of the problem of having too many translators and not always knowing what's doing what). Back around November I rejoined promising 50 lines a day or so, then got distracted by Shuffle Essence+, then got distracted by Dungeons and Dragons Online, then did up to line 1000 of Anzu when my grades were suffering I dropped the project promising I would return during break, the person doing Common promised the same. lolita became frustrated during the 4 weeks or so that the Common translator and I were gone and no visible work on the project was being done. His/her frustration didn't really sit well with me but what could I do? I want the project finished but sometimes the frustration posts annoyed me. During christmas break Galaxy Angel was translated and I spent a few days on that before getting back to translating as promised then my computer died horribly. It frustrated lolita that I didn't keep my promise and the Common translator never showed as they promised. lolita became frustrated and complained which didn't make people happy. Suddenly someone with high knowledge of Japanese came and translated an entire route in the space of a few days which very well saved the project. I dropped because I got reported to the BYU honor code office for playing "inappropriate games" but by then realized I'm not needed anymore because my translations aren't totally accurate (as I admitted from the beginning) and I'm slow.

>>4232643
I redirect you to this line of posts:
>>4226188
>>4226197
>>4226328
>>4226597

Sure sounds like he appreciates the work.

Then the person who translated Yusumi said they were back in school and the translation broke down, lolita became frustrated in this thread mainly because the real world issues and distractions aren't getting work done in the way he/she expected and the person who put the project back in business is gone for now. The main problem is this post here >>4226197
which upset everyone and made people feel that lolita is being tyranical.

I can see why he/she is upset, we the translators said we'd get work done but it hasn't happened because of school concerns or other issues but those translating felt that their work wasn't being appreciated and when life issues happened felt that lolita wasn't being understanding.

>>4232585
>>4226188

I wouldn't mind doing project management, bitchwork, and editing for both of you and I firmly believe RL comes before TLing and that the TLs are pretty much the stars of the project and should be treated accordingly.

(Cont.)

Furthermore, I should've told you that she isn't the type who would praise you endlessly for very little work - I'm not entirely free of fault here. I just want to get everyone back together and have the project working again. Looking at the rates it had, I'm quite certain we can finish on time.

I've disabled editing until I get to the bottom of this, which may take as little or as much time as you want. Tell me as much as you can.

>>4232651
I admit to not being a star, I admit to performing at 85% effectiveness, some of the lines >>4207603
are mine so don't treat me like a star, treat >>4226188
that way but certainly not me. I struggle with the reading and leave a lot to the editors to fix it. What I would try to do most is bring Lennar back and whoever else worked on translating two weeks ago. They were gods.

Once upon a time there was someone begging for money on the street. We'll call them roritaCS. A few people go up and give this person a few bucks. Then the beggar is like "WTF is this, is that all you get? At least give me 10 you piece of shit"

The people giving the beggar money were like What is wrong with this person's attitude, you can't be like that if you're begging. So they stopped giving the beggar money.

Any resemblance to any people or situations in real life is purely coincidental.

None of this would've happened had you just used a wiki.

>>4232692
A lot of projects have drama. Just plow through and it'll finish. This is just a snag.

>>4232646
See http://rechan.eu.org/mgmt/, and it doesn't seem like "the problems went on for a while".

>>4232647
>>4232650
I think I understand now. To her, it looks like you guys just ditched the project without explanation, and she reacted exactly as I'd expect her to.

>>4232651
I'll be the project manager for now.

>>4232706
>To her
>her

I guess it is that time of the month again.

Anyone else get a samefag vibe? whoops I screwed the project, better summon the white knight persona to save it

>>4232712
lol, she's not going to be coming back until at least a week from now.

>>4232668
Some progress is better than nothing. Go for it.

Editing reenabled for now. Will see how this goes.

>>4232739
More or less, after reading through that bullshit drama, I can't see why anyone would side with her.

Acting like a bitch rarely ever spells success when it comes to motivating people, especially /jp/, composed of people who have decided real life is too much of a hassle.

>>4232706
> See http://rechan.eu.org/mgmt/, and it doesn't seem like "the problems went on for a while".

Thanks, I think I see at least one of the roots of the problem. The tongue-in-cheek stuff is all good in small doses, but becomes BS if taken too far.

As you've just found out, community (as disorganized it is, I'd still like to think of /jp/ as one) doesn't like to be managed by someone who seems to be outside of it (and while I haven't read every single thread, it does look like feedback generally got ignored together with trolls, too).

I bet you'll see the exact same drama happen again before the release...

>>4232739
Summon white knight, yeah, but I doubt it's a samefag. Seems more like she went off bitching and crying to a friend to me.

>>4232790
Seems likely.

These problems were there all along. lolita was being a massive bitch about the speed for a very long time. The thing is, most people just ignored it for a while. Then speed got godtastic and the bitchiness didn't stop. School started and there was a slowdown from ~3800 lines per week to ?~2800? lines per week. Something like that. Still pretty fast, and the accuracy was good. Yet there was still bitching, and people just got fed up with it. If all you hear is negative feedback then why bother? The translators aren't getting paid for this and the project manager is bitching them out like they were? Pfft.

You should have seen some of the comments. "Now you know what it feels like to be a professional translator." (in response to a translator saying "hey, chill out dude" or something) or "There had better be more done than this by next week or else." (in response to slower progress than was anticipated)

>>4232815
>"Now you know what it feels like to be a professional translator."
>"There had better be more done than this by next week or else."

Sounds like someone is a little too drunk on the AWESOME POWER OF LEADING AN UNOFFICIAL LOLI HENTAI GAME, FUCK YES.

Seriously, you can't be a dick to someone doing what is basically volunteer work, what the fuck is that?

>>4232815
>Now you know what it feels like to be a professional translator.

>There had better be more done than this by next week or else.

Could that be... a misplaced attempt at a joke?

>>4232843
That and check out her final comment here
>>4232043

>>4232850
Except it was said in all seriousness. You can go check easymodo if you don't believe me.

>>4232843

And don't forget THIS TRANSLATION BROUGHT TO YOU BY RETRANS©

>>4232772
>>4232843
>>4232858

They say if you keep saying a lie long enough, you'll start believing it yourself -_-;

>>4232887
XD

>>4232790
More like summon CEO, but if you're wondering, I do know her (and HAHAHaruhi) IRL.

>>4232815 >>4232843 >>4232850 >>4232856 >>4232858 >>4232865
Enough is enough. Forget about all that and focus on what needs to be done. I.e. the translation of ANZU, COCO, KARIN, and KOMOMO.

Seems like someone got caught up in the whole "Anonymous is legion" mindset and thought she could get people to work for her by organizing them and bitching at them until they got some work done. Then she gets a strong dose of reality, and it ends up being too much for her to handle. Can't really blame her, I'm not a big fan of reality myself.

>>4232946
That's not...

Do you even get it?
"Forget about the bullshit she said and get back to work"
Do you even realize how that sounds?

You faggots are a laugh riot.

>>4232971
What more do you want about this?

Coincidentally, this thread is now autosaging and it would be best to start a new one. Let's begin again and leave behind our past grievances.

>>4233020
go ahead and start a new thread, although it's meaningless since you won't be making much progress.

>>4233020
>Let's begin again and leave behind our past grievances.
>leave behind our past grievances
>leave behind
>grievances
Someone else will be ODing on reality pills shortly.

Anything else about !w4lolitaKs, discuss here while this thread lasts.

If you want to forget about everything and continue, go to >>4233031

>>4232946

Oh, for the love of...

Somebody start a tlwiki fork already (or two, or three, or elsewhere - doesn't matter, as long as you do it _now_). The sooner you do, the sooner work can start.

>>4233051
>tlwiki
Even more drama comes from there.

You are suddenly aware that lolita must have been irritating Moogy, and this must all be part of his plot to do away with her.