/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>日本酒は蔵人の重労働に支えられ、失敗の危険が高いわりに、作業の大半を未だ人の勘に頼っている。伝統という古い考えに縛られる不安定な酒が、洋酒に対抗できるのかと

I understand the と here is short for something like という or と思う but I don't really get what that is exactly.

why are you not learning japanese?

>>43437652
Because I'm in class silly.

>>43437602
>#35610
people are ngmi

>>43437486
>全知全能 Like a Jesus
冒涜的だろう

why are you learning japanese?

Help with keigo. I was told is double keigo = bad. However, I've been looking up shit online and I'm not even sure anymore. So, which one would work better IRL?
>ごゆっくり召し上がってください (correct afaik)
>ごゆっくりお召し上がりください (double keigo, but I see it from time to time)

>>43437752

>>43437763
>ごゆっくりお召し上がりください (double keigo, but I see it from time to time)
This one's insincere because you doubled you politeness in a repetitive way. You already are showing them the most respect and yet you still feel the need to express humility before the verb, which doesn't make sense, unless you're mocking them or you really REALLY want them to know how much you respect them.

https://youtu.be/VgHTx1pNFiU

he called us out djtbros......

>>43437818
>humility
It's sonkeigo though? 謙譲語なら、「お召し上がりしてください」になるでしょう？

>>43437611
It's being used to make a kind of quote of the preceding bit and presenting it as a view held by someone.
という風に疑問に思ってる人もいる or something like that is being implied.

>>43437831
The terms "humble" and "honorific" can be used to differentiate the two styles of speaking, but objectively speaking, both are humble and respectful ways of talking. I didn't mean to imply that you were literally using 謙譲語.

>>43437652
gotta work to make the money

Will a Japanese person actually understand if you say 終わりだ or is that phrase just a dumb weeb gaijin meme

>>43437906
Oh, they'll understand it better than anyone.1

>>43437906
Not in the way you understand it.

>>43437877
Thanks, so the takeaway is to avoid it because it's needlessly verbose and could be taken for sarcasm (or having a poor grasp of the language).
It's hard to find accurate info on that keigo nowadays given that everyone does whatever they want, and the oft-cited keigo toushin isn't some kind of bible on the topic.

>>43437920
How do you think he understands it? Just how many ways can you interpret it as?

https://streamable.com/grrir1
imagine being a translator

>>43437903
what you need money for

>>43437935
flight tickets

>>43437934
really good tl

>>43437934
That's just good.

>>43437947
>>43438003
it is good but it also shows why translation is retarded it's basically an exercise in creative writing

>>43437947
>>43438003
>>43438026
It's bad because he couldn't actually capture the misinterpretation being made and haphazardly rewrote the blue-haired girl's line to fit. Fish =/= squid

>>43438092
well let's see you translate it tough guy

do have some to help her out?

>>43438101
Sure, I ca-
>sarah moon poster
no

>>43438104
the kenkyuu one in mokkai suru no

I want to put all my stuff into japanese so I can immerse on it. Stuff like my phone, computer, games and etc. I tried putting my games on japanese but there's a million kanji I don't understand, should I take a step back and acquire more vocab or do I dive into it already? I want to understand stuff.
I finished the 2k deck, I'm reading Tae Kim.

>>43438137
start here

>>43438137
you should've started reading a vn about 1000 cards ago

こわっ

>>43438137
You only need Dolly

was rubbing one out and got harder fron the smell of my dick again

>>43438210
i like the smell of my asshole / taint because its just the same for women in my experience

Is it worth it to take a 6 to 8 month language course in Japan as a 29 year old guy? I'm looking into Go Go Nihon. Not only for the language, but also for whatever other possibilities that may arise once I'm in Japan.
I already know a very decent degree of basic Nihongo, almost intermediate level.

>>43438137
Yup, just switch all your devices, computer, etc. to Japanese and those kanji will be learned through immersion in no time. Also, go on 5ch exclusively and watch Psychopass to speed up your immersion and learning. It should just "click" within the first week or two. Most people who do full immersion don't even have to look up the words really, because by context they'll be very obvious and the grammar will be easy because you've already done Tae Kim.

>>43438158
Thanks, anon. Saved that pic for future reference.
>>43438169
Is it better to watch jp-subbed anime or to read VNs?
>>43438209
Looks creepy, what is it?

>>43438223
do you have a college degree, have a lot of money, or know someone who would be willing to strongly vouch for your visa? otherwise your only choice for staying in the country is to get married which is also pretty damn complicated

>>43438232
>Is it better to watch jp-subbed anime or to read VNs?
anime because everything is voiced

>>43438223
>almost intermediate level.
Wow, that's actually pretty advanced for a foreigner. How much does Go Go Nihon cost?

>>43438223
FUCK

>>43438239
Nice, thanks.

>>43438137
>Stuff like my phone, computer, games, etc.
Put effort into reading UIs; don't just go through the motions from memory.
>there's a million kanji I don't understand
>look shit up. use text hookers, OCR, yomichan, etc., to make it easier
>use all the shit you have within reach: radicals, naritachi, a word that you that helps you recall the runes (漬 from 漬物, 淫 from 淫猥, whatever)
>read on the rikudou (6 categories in which kanji are divided, especially keisei moji)
>come up with retarded stories (e.g. for 結婚, 結 means to tie (e.g. the knot), 婚 has a woman(女) taking on the surname(氏) of her husband on the day(日) of her wedding(related to meaning))

>I want to understand stuff.
I just plowed through it (always read aloud, look up the runes and words they form, and every word, soragaki, etc.), and never looked back. It sucked, but eventually it started sucking less and now I can recall most runes, even meme characters like 鬣(kamigashira(髟) + magekawa(巛) + メ inside kunigamae(⼞), the bottom of that weird old form of nezumi(鼠))
disclaimer, I can't produce anything for shit.
>>43438177
Jealousy is one hell of a drug.

>>43438239
>>43438272
vns are more fun though

>>43438239
Not him. Is テイペン decent for practice? It has rune subtitles, which is a plus in my book.

>>43438137
I'd say that playing some games (even VNs and mobage are good enough) before changing the phone/PC language might be a good idea since you'd get used to "interface" words (assuming you're not playing ones that have UI in English for style purposes).
However, interface doesn't really work as "immersion" because guessing what each menu/button is for is usually fairly easy with minimal understanding of the text or even none, especially when it comes to menus you're already familiar with.
I have my phone in Japanese because a couple of mobages I played had a glitch when phone language is set to anything other than English or Japanese (my phone used to be in my native language before that), and I decided to use this as a bit of language opportunity + kanji look prettier on lock screen than English.
>>43438232
If VN's voiced, you can go for it and it's a bit easier to pace (watching an entire episode in one go would be tough for a beginner, but dropping it like might feel weird, meanwhile you can save whenever in VNs), but reading narration would suck. However, you should just immerse with something that interests you, some of the easier titles can make you want to kill yourself since boring slice of life gets extended tenfold because of your beginner speed. Try whatever best works for you, really.

>>43438274
namesimasu

>>43438232
>Is it better to watch jp-subbed anime or to read VNs?
dont be a retard, do both

>>43438232
baba that teached japanese grammar in youtube, she allegedly passed away a couple years ago.
if you want to know how some grammar points work the way they do this is the place, her voice is a massive turn off for many people though
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWj

just read
jesus fucking christ

>>43438307
ydkj

>>43437602
Current thread: #3561

>>43438306
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWj

>>43438306
>mute video
>turn on CCs
>????
>PROFIT!

>>43438252
are you dumb or just new

>>43438309
read more

>>43438332
no

>>43438325
increasing playback speed also helps

reading permacripples your japanese

>>43438278
>>43438295
Both can be good!
>>43438274
>>43438287
Thanks for the detailed answers. When you know almost nothing, do you look up every word or something? I just learned that 通知 can mean (phone) notification, so for now I'll just OCR+dict the shit of every rune I see?
>>43438306
I'll give it a go, thanks for the resource.

filtered rune

i literally just read and literally learned from reading and i literally know japanese now thanks

>>43438346
>do you look up every word
its fine to skip stuff way above your level

>>43438348
[Filtered]

runey

roons

have you acquired good nanpa technique yet, djt?

Reading fucking up your accent is a meme, regardless of whether this is actually true or not, it's not like any of you are going to talk to Japanese people out loud.

>>43438363
no but i have a gf

>>43438370
Now you'll never be a wizard, loser

>>43438370
lol gay

>>43438346
look up every word but if you can't figure out the sentence after doing that just move on with a fuzzy understanding instead of beating your head against the wall.

>>43438365
of course not talking perma cripples you

>>43438370
if she's a good gf she can help you nanpa other girls.

>>43438376
your mom beats her head against my dick

love those doujins where the teacher gets his student to get them a younger student because she's too old

reading cripples you
speaking cripples you
listening cripples you
writing cripples you

>>43438400
lol

I am a cripple

learning japanese cripples you

ignore cripplekike lies if you have good genetics you won't get crippled from any form of study or practice.

>>43438409
quiz should pay you in reparations

>>43438356
>>43438376
You guys gave me a good idea how to proceed from now on, ありがとう

>>43437840
Thanks, anon. gmi

>>43437611
lmfao

>>43438403
thats okay because natives are crippled as well

https://streamable.com/8jj19o

Watching birtual youtubers speaking japanese

>>43438346
>When you know almost nothing, do you look up every word or something?
I usually type them into yomichan. Failing that, I use handwriting input. Others use OCR or whatever.
>OCR+dict the shit of every rune I see?
Your choice. You don't have to. I personally did that. Some people can't handle constant interruptions in their flow. I've become impervious to them.
Also forget about understanding absolutely everything first go. Tons of structures don't map directly to English and vice-versa (e.g. direction verbs あげる, もらう/いただく, くれる/くださる; the suffering passive ハンバーガーを食べられた Someone ate my burger/I got my burger eaten/my burger was eaten/whatever).

10000 mined cards

still unknown words all the time

please tell me i'll be done at 20000

youll be done when you stop mining

can be now, can be never
your choice

>>43438484
youve been scammed

i don't understand 運命 and 命運

read 542k today

>>43438502
if you never knew the kanji you wouldnt have this problem

>>43438502
i dont under stand anything i have the learning disorder :(

>>43438513

definition for 運命:
fate
destiny
lot

definition for 命運:
fate
destiny

the kanji isn't the problem.

>>43438500
surely if he does enough anki cards he’ll eventually know japanese
right

how do you track how much you read seems tedious

>>43438536
its easier to keep track of how much you acquired and the answer is always 0

>>43438536
just read real books and count the pages and multiply by the average word count for each page
last week I read 950 words

>>43438540
nonsense just the other day i acquired 角オナ

cards helped me but they are unlikely to help you

>>43438560
reminds me of at least 5 people

>>43438559

>>43438564
who

>>43438522
you seem like the sorta person who would stress out about 輩先

https://streamable.com/vrky24

>>43438655
lmao

haha fart man sexy vtuber milkers

cant imagine this level of being dead inside get a fucking life faggots

read 5m today

>>43438235
College degree yes, lots of money meh but not poor, know someone who'd vouch for me for a work visa? No. But I figure that once I'm there I could work part time legally and develop a good working relationship wherever I do it so I can eventually get some people to vouch for me. I also speak Spanish and hve some experience in the food service industry, and I know people from my country would rather employ people from there than locals.

>>43438245
I thank Kami sama every day for introducing me to Genki lol
As for how much, it depends on the school. The one I'm looking into is right in the heart of Tokyo, and it goes for something between $5 and 8k, accomodation and everything else included

>>43438669
you better not watch japanese comedians, its pretty much all like that

>>43438502
Here, open wide
>https://proverb-encyclopedia.com/two/meiunn/
>「命運」に似ている語に「運命]があります。
>運命とは「人の意志を超越して身の上にめぐってくる吉凶禍福」という意味です。
>「命運」も「運命」も、人間に幸不幸をもたらす、人の力を超越した作用をいいます。
>しかし「命運」は「我が社の命運がかかっている」のように、主に存亡に関わるような重大な意味で使われます。
>対して「運命」は、天の命によって支配されている、宿命的なという意味合いが強いです。

sounds like you don't have to imagine being dead inside

>>43438682
>College degree yes
well then you can get a job at most places or at least do JET

>>43438682
>I also speak Spanish and hve some experience in the food service industry
lmao hope you didnt namesimasu the orders before serving

>>43438689
i really really dont but come on

>>43438502
reminder that star rail is jsl/mtl and a lot of the text was ai generated

>>43438669
i dont like vtubers but i laughed

>>43438682
>I also speak spanish
Estás perdido Paco.

>>43438536
Why would you bother?

read 23k today

>>39234376

>>43438770
to dab on ngmis

wotd: 鵺

read 1 word today

gonna look for an onna to output with on skypech in a sec

>>43438536
easy with vinnies
https://github.com/KamWithK/exSTATic

gonna cook this in my 炊飯器
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsRsXsFvXLE

>>43438844
didnt click

>>43438817
mined 2 years ago

>>43438847
k

https://youtu.be/9BsNJKNOCSI

did not pause my immersion for this

>>43438817
Bro your Touhou?

as soon as fluyo comes out i'm going to start learning jap and surpass all of you losers in a month

>>43438941
Is this the new refold?

i've got fluid for you right here *unzips*

>watch animes, japanese movies and play Jap audio games often the last 20 years
>have developed the usual phonetical weeb knowledge
Just how much did this benefit you when you started learning properly from these guides?

>>43438817
>BoF III
very comfy, until... Makes me wish there were an alternate story where the gang makes a name for themselves and goes to Wyndia like they planned.
>BoF I save point
Never noticed that.

>>43439010
each year of watching english subbed anime is one week of studying the language

english subs after beginner level is the key to fluency
jamal's guide was for intermediate learners

we were too cocky. chinesebros now have a font with built in pronunciation

>>43439068
chinese is way easier in the first place, characters just have one reading

>>43439068
Only a few thousand years behind eurobro font technology.

imagine thinking kanji having multiple readings has anything to do with language acquisition. sasuga dekinai ""readers""

>>43439059
English subs are only good if you pause to analyze shit (why did the subber phrase things that way? so that's what せめて means, judging by the English I guess the speaker omitted something, etc.).
>>43439068
>not using pinyin
ngmi

>>43439122
that's not any different from using japanese subs or going raw

>>43439075
>just have one reading
lies. they don't have 17 like 生(なま・き・おう・いかす・いきる・いける・はえる・はやす・うむ・うまれる・なま・なす・なる・いのち・うぶ・むす・セイ・ショウ), but plenty of them still do.
The main issue is fucktarded beginner's materials and teachers don't give any tips to master kanji (not even the rikudou).

>>43439160
>plenty of them still do.
meant plenty of them still have a couple of readings
>>43439139
Except with translated subs you also get a rough idea of how words like とりあえず are supposed to be interpreted in certain situations, something that can't easily be done at a glance when looking at JP subs.

>pause
crippled

>>43439188
sure, but as far as pausing goes the pros and cons won't be any different. any argument for or against pausing would apply to raw and jp subs too

>>43438878
>guy who doesn't know Japanese tells you why Anki's bad for 4796th time
Very impressive.

Maybe I don't have the "able to learn Japanese" genetic code

>>43439160
I know it's how the nips officially count it, but calling the readings different when the only part that changes is the okurigana is still silly

>>43439272
he failed to learn any japanese after four years so its ankis fault

>>43439288
you are 100% garbage at japanese

>>43439288
Yeah, definitely Anki's fault. The guy was studying 8 hours, reading the toughest literature he could find, but it turns out Anki never taught him Japanese. Anyway, subscribe to his channel to find out how he learned(TM) Japanese!!!

>>43439292
and its ankis fault

>>43439310
no its your low iq

>>43439310
>it's the fault of my bike's training wheels that I don't know how to ride it.

>>43439314
70 means im 70% genius
>>43439322
yes

>>43439330
>yes
Weird how the guy proclaimed that he does know Japanese, but somehow determined that 4 years of nonstop Anki memorization didn't help him.

>>43439288
>tried X and failed
>clearly it's X's fault!
did you blow in from stupid town?

lmao mae ni reveals its him when nobody even suggested it was him, truly a 70 iq
what does it tell you about anki when only the low iq support it

>>43439349
yes

>>43439372
I'm with N6 on this one. Anki's the best tool for memory.

>>43439392
memory has little to do with acquisition, you didn't understand what the video was saying at all lol he said droning only gets you so far and there are better ways to learn

ciaran did a million reps and he says anki is useless

>>43439410
>memory has little to do with acquisition
but you have to get the words into your brain first, and anki is ideal to reinforce them.
number 1 way to get shit to stick is to use it though. the main hurdle is being able to tell whether what you write is correct and sounds ok.

>>43439410
Nah, you're just playing semantics. The true difficulty of language and the reason it takes many years to master the sheer volume of words, sentences, and patterns one has to memorize to become fluent/intelligible. The difference between an amateur and a master truly is based on what each of them knows by heart. It really is that simple.

just read more

>>43439463
And actually memorize what you read.

nope just read more

>>43439471
Nope just don't learn the language

>>43439450
>but you have to get the words into your brain first
yes but that's only the first step, if you're still stuck here then yeah anki will help but you don't need anywhere close to 4 years of anki for that
>>43439458
language is just experiences captured in words, knowing the name and description of a painting by heart will never be the same as seeing and experiencing the painting with your own eyes and then committing its name to memory

>>43439041
It's something.

>>43439489
>knowing the name and description of a painting by heart will never be the same as seeing and experiencing the painting with your own eyes and then committing its name to memory
That's probably the worst analogy I've ever heard.

>>43439486
yup dont learn the language just read more

>>43439501
djt in a single post

>>43439499
its a clear analogy 百聞は一見にしかず

does anki man use anki for words he reads in english? if not he must not know english.

before anki noone ever learned a language simple as

>>43439524
Natives use it for their own language all the time. Most people in med school use Anki to memorize the ridiculous amount of things you need to know to graduate.

just dont post here if youre below 125

>>43439521
It's a terrible analogy. It implies that someone who uses Anki isn't mining the words that they see.

im 130cm tall

would

damn you're old

>>43439549
that's not what it's implying at all. you couldn't understand it because you're stupid although that was obvious considering you're arguing over anki and memorization

youre doing the same m8

>>43439576
you're the most stupid person in this thread though

>>43439567
lol I'm sure it sounded better in your head before you actually typed it.

no u

stfu retards

thread would be dead if all the retards stopped

https://youtu.be/QdzxehCb5ss
i feel like im gonna make it after learning the secrets

>>43439606
This guy's so full of it.

he had one secret
1. be half japanese with a japanese mother that is willing to correct you for years

his advice is useless to normal jsls because of that

>>43439615
Exactly. He acts like he just woke up one day and learned Japanese as an adult.

if you can't solve this in 5 minutes you shouldn't be posting

>>43439630
>and you're sure this will help me learn japanese?
>japanese?

iq is very related to your ability to learn the nihongos

>>43439630
i reverse image searched and found the youtube video with the answer, still counts as i used my resources

>>43439630
top middle

>>43439536
Or after.

>>43439663
bonus question for you bro

>>43439786
bottom right

>>43437602
Can someone help me with something, im having trouble with some basics.

Lets take two phrases

inu wa kore desu
inu wa kocchi desu

Both should mean "This is a dog", no? And if not when do i use each phrase. I understand dore and docchi in the context of a question, simple enough but i dont get kore/kocchi (or sore/socchi), seems like technically both mean "this one".

i think i just puked

>>43439815
>when do i use each phrase
keep reading until you just know

>>43439808
what the hell jamal? that's a 143 iq question have you seen it before

of course jamal is lurking, nobody leaves

>>43439815
kocchi you're comparing against another thing, like there's a cat sitting next to the dog and you're pointing out which is the dog

>>43439883
So if someone told me to translate
Inu wa docchi desu
With no context as an exercise, then "This is a dog" would be correct but in my mind i should picturing a dog next to the cat? Correct?

So
Inu wa dore desu
That is a dog(Dog by itself)
Inu wa docchi desu
That is a dog(Dog next to cat)

Correct?

I lived in Japan for 1 year but picked up the customary bow when saying konnichiwa automatically, you'd have to be half retarded not to. But isn't it crazy how our bodies automatically pick up on this stuff and start doing it without much conscious effort?

>>43439952
your mom surprised me too

>>43439815
Don't worry about it.

canked the JP reps up to 1hr/day because I'm a NEET

cranked the interval modifier to 0
every card every day 24 hrs

gmi

>>43438158
>start here
I came back to say that 魔王城でおやすみ is the comfiest show ever and my japanese skills are going through the roof by watching your rec, thanks
スヤァ…

raw anime is the only way to make it

how does one man exude so much raw sex appeal

>>43440162

>>43440157
not even close to worth it, i'll stick to my light novels and not making it.

>>43438484
lmao mining every word instead of mining readings

you only make it once you stop caring about making it

true true

not entirely true but yeah

i wanna man

new refold just dropped, time to become itiban tuyoi

https://vocaroo.com/9G3EugAy2Iw

get uprooted

>>43440312
we already know which coast youre on sasuga

>>43440319
this was the moment queefler realized he could never beat jamal

>>43440312
This is ridiculous.

didn't the refold guy make a big deal about moving away from matt after the uproot thing

wasnt it all the refold guys doing tho?

selling a product isnt a scam neckbeards

saying pitch accent is the biggest problem with your japanese to sell a course is

has anyone ever had their japanese learning helped by visiting this thread?

>>43439906
It's not about whether the dog is next to anything, it's just about whether there was a choice in the matter. Kocchi = this one (in particular).
>Inu wa kore desu = This is a dog
>Inu wa kocchi desu = This one (as opposed to something else) is a dog.

>>43440413
his product delivered what he said it will. your problem is with the advertising, not the product

lol

>>43440432
this is the japanese language eceleb thread not the japanese learning thread

>>43440438
>the snake oil is snake oil so whats the problem

>immersion
>course
some people are born to be parted with their money.

>>43440449
he delivered what he promised, didn't he? he's allowed to have an opinion on pitch accent

>>43440462
I need to give him money by uprooting my pitch accent. I also need to do that fluency incubator so I can actually understand what I'm saying with my perfect pitch.

>>43440462
1. he didnt deliver even on bitch accent
2. even if it did it would only be one of the claims satisfied

>>43440462
and other people are also allowed to have opinions

>Someone with terrible pitch accent sold a legitimate pitch accent course

Please buy the ultimate immersion course, im sure its worth it

>>43440497
It's for people that "seriously want to learn Japanese so bad they'd pay any amount," but not enough to actually sit down and study the language on their own.

let me get this straight. if i believe that output is the best to way learn Japanese, make a course on how to learn Japanese that way, and advertise the course to people by sharing my beliefs on output, that makes me a scammer?

>>43440533
Yes, because your Matt vs Japan and have claimed throughout your whole YouTube career that people learn the language through input alone.

if you are selling a course to reach a goal you havent reached then you are a scammer
if you make all sorts of outlandish claims about how it will make you fluent or your dick bigger or whatever then you are a scammer

>it will make you fluent
you're supposed to purchase the additional fluency incubator for that, chud

>>43440541
matt was always obsessed with pitch accent though, anyone who's checked his youtube videos over the years knows that. many people change their opinions over time. he didn't suddenly started shilling pitch right before the course

>>43440545
but matt has been nitpicked by many natives and most of them were impressed by his pitch, so saying he hasn't reached the goals his course was supposed to help you reach is a subjective statement with no factual validity. that's not justification for calling someone a scammer
and by the way, right now you are the one critiquing his level even though you haven't reached it. you're not in any position to objectively evaluate his content

and if i were charging you hundreds of dollars to view my critique that argument might be relevant
getting 上手d doesn't mean what you think it means

>>43440684
did you just want to reply with something so you can get the last word in? you aren't really saying anything of substance

the only thing i wanna learn from matt is how to acquire such a delusional fanbase

neither were you
>its subjective so you cant say anything lalala

https://streamable.com/xiwmpv

never forgetti
>if you watch an anime before ur fluent then ur ruining that anime forever

>>43440712
another no u deflection. you know a post is bad when the previous reply applies again exactly >>43440708

>>43440734
pottery >>43440712

welp matt's matting around again time to ignore him and go cripple myself by enjoying japanese.

>>43440734
When uproot was so bad of a scam that it forced matt into retirement im not sure who you think youre going to gaslight

What is a good android app for reading light novels that display vertical text properly? moon+reader only displays shit horizontally and I feel this will drive me crazy

i like jidoujisho for android basically a typhon port

>>43440742
this is the state of matt haters, mush brain trolls who have nothing to say and keep muttering the same thing like npcs. it's sad they don't realise how deranged they sound to an outsider

let me know when there is a thoughtful and substantive reply made in good faith

the lack of self awareness is hilarious

>>43440719
what do you think you are achieving by posting that video with your trip on? you've already shown us you're a psycho obsessed with matt

>>43440776
you should pay hundreds of dollars to get as good as them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlCvcnynb2c

>>43440817
where are videos of you speaking japanese being critiqued by natives?

>>43440768
That app is crazily packed with tons of functions. I'll give a deeper look into it after I wake up, right now it's bedtime. Thanks for the heads-up.

>>43440833
with the evidence of uproot doing anything

>>43440846
you are calling something a scam when you don't have any positive evidence for your claims?

>>43440857
what evidence do you want?
its a scam that was so blatant that it forced him off the internet

you can't leave the thread until you learn japanese.

>>43440880
only in a delusional matt hater's mind is it okay to disparage someone and call them a scammer purely based on hurt fefes. you, an anonymous hater who has shown no japanese ability yourself, are judging matt's pitch and holding him up to some arbitrary made up standard even though many nitpicky natives were impressed by him. face it, you will do all kinds of mental gymnastics and never admit he meets a good standard just so you can keep calling him a scammer to justify your hatred and mask your jealousy.
why should anyone care what your cultist circlejerk thinks?

>anacreon tries shitting on matt
>is only n3

if i charged you 100 dollars for a pill to make your dick bigger and provided no evidence would a rational person believe it is legitimate or a scam?
who is the cultist?

>>43440433
So its about he context and choice. Thank you so much, that really helped.

>>43440974
But being in this thread will prevent you from learning japanese.
Just like how I never got in shape until I left /fit/ and never learned to draw until leaving /ic/.
Just steal some resources and fuck off if you want the best results.

or just treat it as the joke it is

yup, this is why im learning japanese

djt has been finding excuses to hate on matt from long ago the scam thing is only the latest excuse

i like posting japanese things that i enjoyed looking at in this thread and i like taking any opportunity i can get to say matt is a terrible human being. don't need anything else from a thread.

>>43441052
i liked old weed matt, but once he started the grindset it changed
hopefully being fucked over by ken makes him go back to that when he comes back

>>43441058
yet his haters have consistently proven themselves to be the terrible ones. the matt doxer, anacreon, the reddit spammer, etc

https://files.catbox.moe/14qmim.mp4

This should be helpful.

>>43441009
is he still going for n1 at the end of this year? i don't use the discord and that was the last thing i heard about him in thread

>>43441012
i gottchu senpai even the fda says it works

literally didn't know that was a word filter
huh

>>43440817
At 7:20 the woman says
>じゃあ、日本語そんだけ勉強してるってことは、やっぱり日本系、日本語の話すところとかなんかで仕事してるってことはそうじゃないですか?
>So, since you're studying Japanese so much, you must be working in a Japanese compan...Japanese-speaking place, right?
but Matt makes it sound like the woman's just flat-out impressed by his ability lol
>So, since you're so fluent in Japanese...Do you have a job that involves using Japanese?

>>43437906
Archer says it in F/UC but he means it more as "this is the end (for you)" and then beats your ass

can someone post the guide for setting up japanese fonts in windows/web browsers? I just reinstalled windows and everything looks like shit

>>43437906
Whenever I think of 'it's over' I get instant flashbacks of bejita in moshimo broly MADs going もうダメだ/もうおしまいだ 勝てるわけがない。

>>43441141
yes i will take it the next time it is offered, which is in december

n1 is impossible though

so youre finally reaching beginner level

善なるものは吾これを善とし不善なるものも苦またこれを善とす

whar t?

would you pay 5 bucks a month for a fully comprehensive SRS app?
keen on making it free™ but server costs shekels, so will have to beg

>>43441416
Anki already exists
You might be able to trick some beginners and dekinais though

>>43441416
what distinguishes it from anki

we might see the first single digit n1 score

>>43441428
>You might be able to trick some beginners and dekinais though
that would include most of this general though
>>43441433
actual exercises, grammar lessons, ux that doesnt require you to have autism to use

>can recognize the kanji easily in anki after hundreds of repetitions
>can't recognize the same ones in a block of text

>>43441560
vocab - no because ive got thousands of mined words already
grammar - you're not gonna be better than bunpro so no
exercises - possibly if i were studying for jlpt but if you target people like n2+ you've got a super small market

basically you're only gonna make money if you sell your soul trying to deceive forever dekinais

>>43441583
For me it's the opposite

>>43441590
>bunpro
DoJG or nothing.
>exercises - possibly
what is Sou Matome.

今日の言葉は、

鼻孔
鼻腔
咽頭
喉頭
気管
気管支

>>43441353
First day learning Japanese?
>善なるものは吾れこれを善とし
To those who are good, I am good, and...
>不善なるものも吾れ**またこれを善とす
to those who are evil, I am likewise good.

>>43441590
bunpro has a lot of information bloat and the ux is shit, not that hard to do better if your actual goal is to learn the language efficiently, rather than waste time on useless trivia
don't get me wrong, i love bunpro and have used it extensively in the past, hence i'm aware of its strengths and shortcomings
>you target people like n2+ you've got a super small market
absolutely true, there is next to no market beyond n4, maybe n3

>basically you're only gonna make money if you sell your soul trying to deceive forever dekinais
duolingo's business model is to keep you forever dekinai, certainly don't want to replicate that
i think a balance can be struck between good ux and usefulness

admittedly, djt is probably a poor fit, but if any n5 "dekinais" are lurking, would love to hear their take

>>43441622
that's why possibly

>>43441646

A huge amount of people don't get past learning hiragana and katakana. That's already one great filter.

Past that point it's all about learning common phrases and repeating them enough until "muscle memory" kicks in and you know them by heart without even cognating the meaning by inner translation.

To this end visualizing what you're talking about helps.
Illustrations accompanying common phrases and stock situations.

As users get acclimated to the new language less illustrations and more concepts and metaphors and such.

Alongside this a growing database of encountered words and kanji that appeared in the lessons, so you can always look things up.

I don't recommend changing your operating systems and applications into Japanese, you're not going to bother reading EULAs and TOS and will inevitably allow some evil proprietary software to collect telemetry or other insults to your privacy.

>>43441455
this but wagie

but muh immersion

>>43441666
all very true, satan-sama
the hard part is packaging it into a product where you don't have to waste brainpower and time on shit ux

>>43441695
>reading EULAs and ToS
good reading practice I guess.
>installing software with internet access on your phone
>not installing a loopback VPN to block apps from communicating to the internet and disabling jewgle play services
someone get a load of this hothead.
And if it's on PC, you're already fucked since online vidya track the shit out of you, especially anti-cheat garbo. For single-player stuff at least firewalls are an option.
>collect telemetry
collect telemetry data
>insults to your privacy
affronts to your privacy. You insult people, not privacy

less talk and more emerse bros

first hiragana down!

>>43438158
おもうに

けものフレンズは

はいっていたほうがいいとおもうよ

２はなかった

itudemo iiyo

>>43441872
ma nanka chotto nanka chotto

I always feel anxious about not being able to output (even though I'd say I'm intermediate.) I should make an better effort to affect my listening so that I can absolutely sure about my grammar use (I'm still trying to get it to stick).

I always feel confident about being able to output (I'd even go so far as to say I'm advanced). I’m always making the effort to listen to what others say at all times so that I can be absolutely sure my grammar is correct, (everything kind of just sticks for me).

now vocaroo that in japanese

https://vocaroo.com/13jD4H48Cjvl

rinni

さいきんのにほんアニメで勇者だったのは

明日ちゃんとかばんちゃん

明日ちゃんの勇者しぐさはすごいね

I'm about halfway through a Japanese Pokemon game and I'm just trying to improve reading while skimming over the kanji I don't know. Is this retarded? Is there other things I can do with the game in addition to reading practice?

>>43442146
khatzumoto said skipping over words you don't know is good because you can read many sentences in the time it takes to look up words made of new kanji

>>43442146
>I'm just trying to improve reading while skimming over the kanji I don't know
this is a new level of not learning I previously thought impossible

>>43442157
I play the game to try and improve reading speed and I use apps to practice kanji in order of difficulty. I also use song lyrics to get better at reading.

>>43442165
You ever think about how your reading speed is tied to your ability to actually read what’s written?

>>43442174
Yeah, but if I'm struggling to fluidly reading hiragana, I figure I need to at least begin there. And if katakana is in the sentence too, it trips me up for a second.

>>43438655
lol

>>43441637
doesnt 善とする mean "to approve" or "to accept", not "i am good to them"?

>>43442189
What you need to do is stop trying to read hiragana “fluidly” and start trying to actually understand what it is you’re reading, kanji and all. The whole point of playing these games is to learn from them, not just treat them as nonsense phonetic practice.

Now this is compelling content

>>43442210
Yeah, you might think that, but 善とす is a transitive verb here meaning “to do good (to).” This is part of a famous saying from Laozi that emphasizes true goodness as being that which is done to both good and evil people.

what are you talking about?

i forgot to do my anki yesterday and broke my 5 month streak
FUCK

>>43442250
i thought it was more like him viewing both "evil" and "good" as both actually being good because good and evil are subjective from person to person, and whatever you personally think is good is actually what is good. i looked up a couple modern japanese translations of it and neither of them translated it as doing good to somebody.

>>43442336
Hmm, it’s interesting. This wording is what’s found in the official translation of chapter 49 of the Tao Te Ching, which mirrors the ambiguous grammar of the Chinese, which itself does not make a distinction between “regarding as good” or “doing good to,” but it seems modern Japanese people have taken the translation at face value and now interpret it as looking at the good in everyone.
Funny how that works.

I’m trying to rent an apartment. How do I make it clear that I decided on one apartment and want to proceed?

Something along the lines: “Hello! I decided to take [link] what are the next steps?“

>>43442375
みもふたもないけど

「よしとする」

「ぜんとする」

発音で意味がかわるとおもうよ

なんでそんなに不便になっているかといと

わからないです

>>43442411
No, grammatically both should be equivalent, but I think I lead you astray. Reading some commentaries on the chapter, the Japanese people really do have a different interpretation of the text based on how it was translated into their language. I assumed that even with this change in grammar, the meaning would come out to be the same as how the rest of the world viewed this passage, but I stand corrected.

>>43442146
When you're a beginner I think this is fine. Looking up everything takes so long that you're practically getting as much input in terms of sentences/hour while skimming over Kanji you don't know as if you were looking up everything. As long as you're not do8ng this all the time and looking up a solid amount of stuff per day. But pretty soon you'll reach a level where you have to look up every piece of unknown language you encounter to not gimp your progress

>>43442426
Actually, the Wiki page in Japanese seems to interpret the passage as being both referring to “regarding as good” and “treating good,” so it would be unfair of me to characterize all of Japan as having this opinion.

More stuff like this written in simple straightforward Japanese?
https://youtu.be/GppvWbUscX8

>>43442511
Too easy. I require harder material.

i got something hard for you
*unzips dick*

>>43442605
try meditating

>>43442426
あのんがただしい

にほんてきには

あいまいになるので善はつかわない

goodは最善

badは悪

どちらかわからないのが善くらいの意味

何を見てヨシと言ったんですか？というジョークがあるくらいには信用されてない

why are japanese people so autistic about names?
iada!!! don't call me by first name like that!!! we've only known each other for 5 months!!!
urgh

retro games where i can get by with N5/N4 knowledge?

>>43442801
Super Mario Brothers

たいへんおにいちゃん

ムダ毛処理機が

こわれた

とてもたいへんなことになりました

>>43443299
能力の問題

do you guys do new cards before reviews

>>43443468
i have it set so it does new cards first then brings them back once after all the reviews
but teh default setting where it just randomly mixes them in is fine too i think

>>43443479
didn't know there's an option for this
i'm doing new cards before reviews but i'm accumulating reviews because i barely do them when i'm "done" with the new ones
guess i'll change it back to the mix option

>>43437602
time for daily kanji writing, wish me luck

P.S.
amogus

>>43443567
ඞ

how many review cards do you do a day, do you just let the reviews pile up and just focus on new + due?

>>43443688
idk what that means, i do all the due cards every day

>>43443712
how many is that circa

we need to do more output practice
djt should have a daily writing prompt

>>43443688
i used to do 1000 reviews a day
then it kind of dwindled down to 500
now its around 100-200

tinpo ireru manko

>>43443688
i do all my reviews
it used to be 200+
now it's usually about 100 because I can't find as many new cards

>>43443747
100-150

I don't even try to learn japanese,, what's wrong with me..

What's the best way to learn Japanese if I just want to read manga and post on futaba chan?

>>43444268
the normal way

broke a year long anki streak once and then my wife left me
dont brake ur streaks bros

>「ふへっ？　こ、これが…本物の、おチンポ様…？」

>>43444423
だからそうなるのです

>grammar book says it includes over 1000 key words
why do they need 1000 words for key?

should i put japanese on my resume even though I literally just began learning it?

>>43444649
Depends. Do you expect to use it at work?

are you going to be doing your job in japanese?
then no
otherwise yes

>>43444665
no.
>>43444666
no. I'm not applying for jobs that ask it. But every job so far asks what languages you know and I've just been putting english because I'm a native speaker. A job j was applying for the other day has drop down options for what level of the language you speak. Should I put english native and japanese beginner?

don't ever reveal your power level. especially to an employer

no use intermediate, its vague enough you can bs
beginner wont get you shit

how helpful is going through rtk in 3-4 months before going through tae kim (i'm not completely new to everything as i've presviously read through the book and even finished the first volume of yotsuba, but i forgot a lot of it)?

rtk is worthless

>>43444709
critical
the rtk
based

>>43444683
learning a language isn't revealing your power level. telling them you're learning it to read eroge would be.
>>43444685
>no use intermediate
idk if that's such a good idea. If they ever call me on it I'm fucked whereas beginner is the bottom of the barrel. If anything I would over deliver because they wouldn't expect much

they arent gonna call you on shit, you cant do shit as an intermediate anyways

>>43444709
everyone who ever made it did rtk
matto
quiz
me
and now (you)

none of those are ever going to make it

>>43444741
If you say you're learning Japanese and you don't have some explicit connection to Japan like relatives or work they immediately 察する your implicit power level l

mr boss man my hobby is liking the idea of learning japanese have a look at my anki settings

>>43444778
so you'll be promoted to management as you're a fellow cunnyseur

gooood afternoon

immersion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8yhBk5AKU

曲
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX41QjX_VI

>>43444755
really glad i never wasted time on rtk

4bc (one of the most efficient language learners in the world) did rtk

>>43444784
i am learning it though

jotd: 抱き心地良さそうな極上の安産型ムチムチ女体

https://www.pixiv.net/info.php?id=9524

mamoru JK futomomo

隠者。。。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGq09ymdvYA&ab_channel=%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AD%E3%83%AD%E3%82%BCCh%E3%80%82Vtuber%2F%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E6%89%80%E5%B1%9E

Immerse with Aki Basedenthal.

https://youtu.be/bCWtzSKYmxk

wtf..

>>43445128
I'm immersing with erotic moege

>>43444879
so fucking true
rest in power 4bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltfx0U4gaus

>>43444778
>and you don't have some explicit connection to Japan like relatives or work they immediately 察する
just make up an excuse like "I'm studying it to talk with a few friends abroad." it's not like they're going to follow you home with a camera.

>>43439010
you will know these words, thats about it

who the fuck is even taking the time to write that out

>>43445245
kutabare!

>>43445245
けっく

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwRWVp2DyEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUei8B5C1js
need to creampie milet bros

勉強 と オナに 同時に

>>43445523