/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I HATE ANKI I HATE ANKI I HATE ANKI
using premade decks is shit
making your own decks is shit
not using anki and forgetting everything is shit

>>44501491
yea
>>44501502
almost 50
>>44501526
we live together
>>44502126
yes it can actually leave you sore
イェーイ

yea anki is fucking boring
i havent really done my reps in a week

>>44505469
>using premade decks is shit
>he doesn't appreciate the free listening practice
How ungrateful.
>not using anki and forgetting everything is shit
最近習得した知識を使ったら。。。?

>free listening practice
?

Reposting batch of problems from older thread.

i'm halfway through a core 6k deck and a big part of the reason i stuck with it cause i figured it had 2k kanji in it but i guess it doesn't.
still worth finishing?

core 30k or bust bro how else do you expect to start reading

>>44505603
The Core 2k/6k decks feature voice clips by natives with native intonation. You can listen closely to stuff like bidakuon, pitch accent, consonant gemination, etc.

>>44505614
Are you sure you didn't write one 3 too many?

i missed a 0

>>44505623
they speak too slow to be of any use...

you gotta finish core 50k before you even THINK about immersing.

>>44505623
or you could listen to something compelling instead

BE 歪みねぇ
NO しゃぶしゃぶ

>>44505719
No, you're supposed to slog through the whole thing and suffer!

>>44505756
Wow, holy shit. That's insane. I'd never advocate for such barbaric measures, unless it's against dindus.

>>44505786
You must not live near many conservatives. They are equal with the darker ones in needing to go. Though people over 80... what the fuck purpose do they have?

I'm new here guys so please be nice to me.

I am playing Pokemon and it's basically just in English? I can't learn any Japanese because every sentence has 5 English words in it! Please help!

>>44505797
>work all your life and serve society
>live to ripe old age and retire after saving enough
>the newer generations decide to "repay" you by throwing you away with the garbage because money is tight
What message does this send to the youngsters?

>>44505809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxm8pub3p5s
watcch this

>>44505608
fukuin bisyuu guti are easy
forgot gouwan and never seen zouwai

all n6

>>44505940
贈賄
>贈 from 贈り物 and 贈呈
>賄 from 賄う(まかなう), 賄い付き, 収賄, 賄賂
>gouwan
>豪 from 豪鬼 and 豪州
>腕 from you should have learned this word a long time ago and words like 腕白. also see 鉄腕アトム
>>44505947
>N6
Wait, how high does the scale go?

dunno but i'm n7

こんばんは！

>>44505986
そろそろ朝10時ですけど?

every country should switch to gmt

they really shouldn't

has anyone here ever gave up on japanese and switched to learn a new language that they were successful at?

what the fuck would i do with another language

gave up spanish after being forced to learn it in school for years
made me think i don't enjoy learning languages but japanese has been nothing but fun

>>44506123
There's always a first time for everything.
>>44506157
Imagínate no poder con un idioma para subhumanos.

it's too bad that there are so many languages where you can get as good in 1 year as would take 10 years for japanese but all of them are useless

>>44505446
Any good resources on exercises for learning / practicing Kana? Sorry for the newbie question.

A lot of people want to learn Japanese cause they want to understand Japanese media in its original language cause it is a more "pure", for lack of a better word, expression of the author's intent. However, in the beginning they will suck at Japanese so much that reading a translation, even a shit one, will get them a better understanding of the author's intent. Once they are fluent, they will obviously understand the author's intent better in the original language.
Finally, the question. Roughly how long/how many words does someone need to know before it makes more sense to read something in Japanese if they want to understand the author's intent or message of the work better?
There is a lot of stuff I want to watch and read, but I am saving it for when I am better at Japanese cause I know I won't truly appreciate it with my level of understanding. So, right now, I am reading and watching stuff that I like, but knowing that if I read or watched in English, I would understand it more. Basically, when does that end and me watching/reading in Japanese means I understand it more than in English? To be clear, I'm not asking when will it be as easy as English or as effortless, I'm just asking about understanding the author's intent or main message or the work. With lookups, I should be able to understand the author's intent better than a translation without needing to be fluent. That's cause a translation inherently messes with the author's intent so, you can never fully understand it with one.

>>44506123
No, but I failed Spanish three times in college and French once.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who have had the opposite experience.

>>44506567
Try a kana drag and drop program. They work great.
The one I used when I was learning (Usagi-chan's Genki Resource Page) used Flash so you probably can't use it, but if you type kana drag and drop into your search engine of choice you should get several results that function.
It took me about three hours of dragging and dropping to brute force memorize the kana. See if you can beat my time.

>>44506624
Thanks for the recommendation, will look up into that. Right now I printed that hiragana practice sheet set to practice the order of the strokes after I get a hold of the syllabary but you made me wonder just how important is it to learn the actual writing order of these characters if I only intend to consume media.

>>44506607
to be fair spanish is pretty useless unless you are planning on moving to a country where it's spoken
t. spic

>>44506590
It depends on how much you care about efficient time usage.
If you have all the time in the world, even if it's the first thing you've ever read in Japanese, with an electronic dictionary and elbow grease you can get more meaning out of a text than you would from reading a bad translation. (And about as much as much meaning as a good translation, although I imagine you know as well as I do how rare those are.)
The issue is that reading with good comprehension is absurdly slow when you're new. I used To Love-Ru as a textbook when I was starting out and I think my reading speed was something like fifteen minutes a page. If you've never read To Love-Ru, these were pages with small amounts of easy text with furigana. It doesn't really get easier than that.
The good news is that this is very effective studying and your reading speed will improve asymptotically as your vocabulary and experience grows. But it will be excruciatingly slow for a while.
In terms of being able to read with solid comprehension without it being agonizingly difficult, I'd say three months of reading experience at minimum. And you'll be going turtle speed for at least your first year. You'll be getting more out of a story than you would from a good translation I'd say within your first two years.
Watching is harder because you are forced to go at a specific pace. I'd recommend just picking an arbitrary young children's anime and watching it until it feels comfortable, then working your way up age levels until you can watch anything.
If you'd like a recommendation for a decent young children's anime, I watched the original かみさまみならい ヒミツのここた (picrel) as my starter raw anime and enjoyed the experience.
Gun to my head I'd say it'd take you a hundred episodes-ish total to get decent listening comprehension, but depending on how you approach it that number could vary wildly.

>>44506704
Same can be said about most other languages. Only English and Japanese are useful for an outsider.

>>44505974
obviously guessable but never seen it

>>44506690
There's no harm in putting off stroke order until way later.
I've been learning Japanese for eight years and I've probably written down stuff in 日本語 with a pen or pencil less than two hundred times.
And even then if you do the strokes in the wrong order it's not like the Yakuza will cut off your pinky or anything.
I'd say for now focus on what's going to help you the most with your immediate goals. If that's reading a book, watching an anime, listening to a podcast, talking to people in Japanese, or really most things, stroke order won't help you very much. Put a bookmark in it and come back to it when it starts becoming a problem.
Good luck with your studying! The journey of a thousand kanji starts with a single あ.

>>44506590
just watch vtubers retard
lol lmao

had a really unproductive day

華やいだ都会を抜け出し 車は滑るの
星を散りばめた パーティーライト
ふたりの夜が始まるの
あの時 恋を失くしてから
冬のきらめきを 忘れていたのに

>>44506690
>how important is it to learn the actual writing order of these characters if I only intend to consume media.
having some familiarity with how to write is valuable when you run into someone's rough handwriting, but that's a bigger issue for kanji than kana, and it's low priority.

>>44506830
me too but tomorrow will be different

me too and tomorrow will be the same

I'm so fucking tired of falling in love with random japanese women every single day, I don't even live in Japan and probably never will but I sometimes think it'd be nice if I happen to meet a japanese girl and talk to her in her language.

rant context (this appeared in my feed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thVmmwUFm3k

>>44507299

>>44507299
same

simps

it's called infatuation, mine it

my nr 1 waifu https://youtu.be/CmOolmL50EQ?si=lWyeFL9XRpMDcIBr

i like occasionally uploading my anki deck to jpdb and seeing the known words percentage climb higher, but jpdb has so many fake "words" like "だよね" or sometimes even straight up grammar points as words that it makes using the known words percentage stat hard.

https://youtu.be/ZF99pK_go9g?t=22

I hate srs but I can at least do the vocab deck everyday, do I really need an RTK deck or something kanji

no

>>44507464
rtk is the most efficient way to get a noob to waste their time and give up before learning any actual Japanese.

>>44507511
ill just keep doing the core2k deck and watching anime then

is it really that much better to add an example sentence+audio+an image to a vocab card that makes the name change to an anime card? can I just mine vocab cards without the audio, sentence or image and be fine? it seems like a big pain to set up audio plus and image plus a sentence for different types of media like VN's, anime, LN's, manga and youtube. do people doing anime cards only do it for one type and just immerse without mining the rest?

i think anime cards are probably a big help for beginners and a waste of time once you know a few thousand words
my retention is bad though and maybe it's because i stopped doing them

>>44507568
makes the cards more fun to look at which can be important if you absolutely hate staring at boring flashcards

>>44507568
yeah

>>44507568
the sentence is essential and yomichan automatically adds it anything more is a total waste of time you might need anime cards if youre dumb though

i ain't gonna read a sentence every time i get a card wrong

you dont need the whole sentence just the important part around the word thats usually half a line or less

>>44507622
if youre staring long enough at a flashcard for that to matter youre doing it wrong

tango n5 or core 2k

>>44505610
sure

My word/kanji study routine:
>play game
>trace every single fucking character with your finger, even in kana soup games. if the dialogue says ひび, you do 罅. do use some common sense and ignore words you have 0 interest in
>recite the names of the parts as you go. for 罅, it would be ほとぎ(缶) (the can character thingy) + とらかんむり(虍) (the top part of the tiger character 虎) + the thingy on the side of 呼ぶ (乎, only found it in じっと/凝乎と)
>if it's a new one, think of other similar characters to jog my memory (卿? reminds me of 柳(やなぎ). 髏? It's got the shit on the left of 数's old form (數) on the right). if possible, try to make sense of the parts (投げる has 扌(てへん) the hand radical, so it likely has something to do with hands)
>also, write down at least one word for each character on a txt file for future reference. ideally, group similar characters together to make it easier to search in case your memory fails (薔薇/バラ? same line as 微妙(びみょう), 特徴(とくちょう), 懲役(ちょうえき), 黴/カビ, etc. also, 吝嗇(りんしょく) on the next line)

pros
>beats blindly drilling lines of runes like a retard anyday
>I can read almost anything aloud
>I can write by hand. 0 stroke order mistakes (you can guess strokes orders on the spot 98% of the time from rules and the parts, the rest are outlier patterns)
>I can write shit like 嚔, 龜, 腱鞘炎, 嚢胞, 蠟燭, 鑿, 髑髏, 爨ぐ(炊ぐ), 宥める, 窘める, 嗜み, etc. from memory
cons
>it's slow
>I don't know how the fuck to use most of the words I'm reading (哀哭(あいこく)? It's sort of like lamentation and 哭 is related to 泣, that's all I know lol)
>I have 0 idea on how to integrate 4nipmoonrunewords into the process
>I have non-existent active language skills

i should talk to nihonjin but all the autism inside me says no spend more time on kanji

>>44508108
>i should talk to nihonjin
But I don't want to cause them to feel 迷惑 with my spilled spaghetti.

>>44507391
why do nipponjins have so many moles? dont they use sunscreen?

>>44508166
genetics

wotd: おこげ

>>44508239
og..

i wish every jrpg's op was this filled with SOVL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26yYnRnmtME

How do I immerse? Should I try to not use jisho unless I have to?
Can you guys recommend me japanese gaming channels for beginners?

>>44509074
Literally experience whatever media you want. Using the dictionary is fine, but try to figure shit out from context and stuff (e.g. if you see a character say 「会いたかったよ」 while running to hug another after not seeing each other for a long time, you can probably guess that it means "I missed you," rather than the jarring "I wanted to meet you.").
Why not play babby games like Pokeyman?

just watch more vtubers

wtf after i watched more vtubers i decided that i hate japanese

most people who attempt to learn japanese end up hating japanese

https://twitter.com/jg86d/status/1698192051433873703?s=20
you know she is acting like that on purpose because she thinks its cute. i would be so annoyed

i thought i was safe because i already made it to native level

hate makes my motivation stronger

sure it does freddy

Does anyone else use Duolingo?

your mom uses duodicko

i wish i had a duodicko

>>44509698
can i use this one?

Real chads use wani kani and study the DOJG and RTK.

how does one study dojg

Read it and make a deck

>>44509438
きっつ

>>44510488

>>44505809
this pokemon should have more japanese words https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01082861.html

whats this font called?
see it or similar fonts all the time

Anyone have good links or resources to learn about when and why some words add dakuten at the beginning when they’re after other words? e.g. 山田 being やまだ instead of やまた

>>44510670
feel it out

>>44510670

>>44510574
ニューシネマA Std D

おはようございます

>>44511334
キメ顔されると殴りたくなるよねっ！

>>44511353
https://streamable.com/uh2hrs

Need help from a Japanese expert.
So there's this 犬系彼女 trend on Japanese Twitter/TikTok recently, and /vt/ is currently debating about the use of 彼女 here.
Does the 彼女 here translate into girl or girlfriend?

big tiddy goth 彼女

doggy pussy

>>44512194
Girlfriend. 彼女 can also be used like a pronoun and it becomes generic "her"/"that girl". Like, you could say that "彼女 is my 彼女", but it sounds a bit stupid.

>>44512194
https://smartlog.jp/149436#S92929685
>犬系彼女は恋人に限らず色んな人の懐に入るのが上手い
not just gf, but since it implies that you are supposed to fall for that type it could be translated either way. like how big tiddy goth gf doesn't have to be your actual gf.

>>44512250
yeah that's what I understood as well, but the "Japanese masters" on /vt/ are insisting that 彼女 as a noun can also simply mean "a girl".
>>44512262
your explanation completely makes sense, but basically it's still a type of girlfriend/female love interest, right?

>>44512283
>but basically it's still a type of girlfriend/female love interest, right?
yes, since it's talking about traits that are desirable in a partner.

>>44512283
I think part of the confusion stems from the fact that guys have two words, 彼 (he/him/that man) and 彼氏 (boyfriend). For women, 彼女 is used in both cases.

>>44512310
あざーす。
I knew I shouldn't have trusted /vt/ when it comes to Japanese.

>>44512364
tell them to come here if they wanna learn some real Japanese

I'd like to have a 猫系彼氏 though

>>44512346
it doesnt really have anything to do with the "her" meaning of 彼女.
犬系彼 wouldnt make sense. if it wasn't 彼女 it would be 犬系男 or 犬系女.
see also for example 肉食系男子.

>>44512346
I've looked it up on 3 different dictionaries and 彼女 as a noun can only mean a girlfriend, or like this >>44512262 anon said.
The nouns for a woman are 女、少女、女子、女性、娘

>>44512111
i once shit myself in a public setting and since then i refuse to shit shame

give me the real guide not the one in the op

>>44512589
You need to be part of the secret club to get access to the good guide.

>>44512589
Here, take a look at pic.

>>44512589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWwxghutYs0

still cant get over how good the one piece live action was

I hate handwriting recognition so much.

what if there is only two kanji to read couldn't you be reading chinese without knowing it?

>>44512589
here you go champ
https://tatsumoto.neocities.org

>>44512589
https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/

No resources to understand the difference between male and female Japanese? I once heard a Japanese person say that because the grammar taught is a woman's way of speaking, we foreigners sound like faggots

>>44512829
Make your voice sound manlier, that should do the trick.

>>44512829
Grammar is taught gender-neutral. Feminine and masculine speech patterns aren’t taught in textbooks.

>>44512856
>Grammar is taught gender-neutral
That is not true, it is a formal form, used more by women in practice.

https://youtu.be/8YevTfWcdNw?t=45

>>44512678
Would you recommend the game?
Looking for something to force me to learn the 常用漢字 completely

>>44512829
Isolated cases do not a rule make.

>>44512589

>>44512876
>why watch sluts when i can watch waifus

>>44512874
>women use it more so that makes it feminine
lol

>we foreigners sound like faggots
https://streamable.com/hxhd7k

>>44512829
本当に？恥ずかしいですわ…

>>44512829
Koichi got you covered

https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/queer-japanese/

>>44513000
That わ is making you sound very masculine. I heard it used all the time in my Yakuza games.

お嬢様言葉で話す男性が居たっていいですわよオホホのホ ;)

>>44512880
I use Kanken games for vocabulary practice and write down shit elsewhere as I go.
I wouldn't recommend them for kanji learning since they don't list all the readings. e.g.
>search for 擦
>get only サツ する すれる
>not こする, こすれる, or なする
>inb4 b-but muh usually written in kana
I wonder what the fuck you'll do when you see shit like はず in kanji (筈)
Also that Switch game doesn't let you look up kanji by writing them. You have to either look up by reading, radical, or stroke count.
The yojijukugo lookup function is nice though.

ご機嫌よう

不機嫌よう

>>44513107
ご機嫌麗しゅう

>>44513139
>麗しゅう
>t. Meiji-period mummy

I'm playing 二ノ国, approximately what should I expect my reading skill to be at when I finish?

It's been a grind so far, but I can slowly feel myself getting through dialogue quicker/more easily. I try to understand the general meaning of each sentence before going on (looking up as needed) without sweating the small stuff (especially with what シズク says, it's so hard to understand his speech sometimes).

>>44513018
In FF7R you hear Cloud say "あんた" several times, and anyone with decent Japanese understands that the way he says it is haughty and rude, typical of "man's vocabulary".
It is simply not possible to explain the way of speaking because in America there are other values about gender.

Thinking about dropping Anki completely and using the hour I currently spend on doing my reps to just read LNs for another hour each day. Thoughts?

https://streamable.com/ki3eap

>>44513336
We're not your mom. You do whatever you want.

>>44513276
Bad, because you aren't actually trying to understand the stuff you don't know.

>>44513336
You'll remember a lot less in the long run, but you do you, boo.

Read a line in a manga where the character mentions being able to eat rice in march in response to a big payout, though trying to look this up only lead me to a rice production page on wikipedia and how it goes from may-june to sept-oct. Is that all they're referencing, or is there any deeper meaning to this?

>>44513336
its fine if you have high iq like me but low iqs need anki or they forget things easily

>>44513494
i forget the details but japan grades rice by when it was made, among other things. poorer people will eat years old rice rather than fresh harvest rice. so, i think it means they can actually get the good rice at a good time of year with the payout.

Why does themoeway's Tango N5 deck tell me to only use "Good" and "Again" on my Anki cards? I've used it for three days and I keep getting easy shit like 三 and さようなら. Wouldn't it be better for me to mark these cards as Easy if that makes them go away?
Btw I'm not good at the language but I'm also not a new student.

>>44513677
sure do it

>>44513677
the point is that you don't overthink grading a card. some people will think about which grade to give a card for so long that it ruins any efficiency gained from using the right grades. also, some people abuse the hard button anytime something is even a little bit difficult, which gets them in anki ease hell where they have a decent retention rate but they still have a ton of reviews cause the ease factor of all their cards is super low.
if you can decide on a grade in <1 second, then use the easy button. still avoid the hard button though.

>>44513723
>>44513726
Thank you for the answers.

>>44513648
Ah that makes sense then. Thanks for the explanation

Any good VN recommendations for beginners?

>>44514186
use JPDB and sort by dificulty. if you want something specific, read anything from Yuzusoft.
or just read a nukige

>>44514186
Yeah, it's called Do Your Reps: An Anki Love Story

>>44514348
I HATE Anki

>>44514362
Medicine isn't supposed to taste good.

anki loves you
shes there for you every day

Anki is that girl who is the canon love interest but has the most boring route in the game.

>>44513467
I mean I'm still trying to understand stuff I don't know, I'm just not doing textbook translations of every sentence to English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDtfhC_QTg

>koone using her real voice
dangerous

>>44505745
D-Do I at least get fluent at the end?

>>44514432
あいでんtitty

>>44514186
onikiss

>>44514186
aibeya 1 and 2 are pretty easy

why do so many people go to the effort of moving and working in japan but then they don't even bother learning jap (the easiest language)
kind of pathetic imo

わたしはいぬになった

Day 106: Today I was kinda in zone a little bit kinda miss like 30% to 40% of cards.

>>44514794
sex with skinny fertile japanese christmas cakes
though for sure most of them end up with dead bedrooms and or getting cheated on but it would be the same for them anywhere

dame the auto-generated yt captions are getting good. readmaxxers keep winning

how long does it take for these start turning green or blue even? Just started last week

>>44515053
The default interval in kanjigrid to be considered "strong" is 180 days, I'm not sure if that corresponds to greed or blue. It should take a couple months of pressing good to get there, with most of that time being waiting for it to show up in the multi-month interval.

>>44515111
I'm have a really hard time remembering some two kanji words. core 2k doesn't use sentences on the front i'm thinking i should switch to a deck that does like tango

>>44514424
>i'm still trying to understand the stuff i don't know
>skips entire character dialogue
lol

>>44515129
avoiding practicing remembering words in favor of practicing remembering sentence shapes won't make you better at remembering words

I'm just starting AJATT. What are the best midget porn actresses

>>44515129
It's been a week, you'll get used to it. I remember back when 絵葉書 was a complete mystery to me, now I can't imagine failing it. While sentence cards make it easier to pass your cards you'll struggle more when reading other sentences which is the real goal of doing anki, not pretty colours in kanjigrid. I only use the addon periodically to see the total number of kanji for fun, I wouldn't put any weight to the colours.

>>44509074
Watch scripted tv shows, repeatedly, without subs, and without pausing. Each time you rewatch, you will learn 10 times more.

Unscripted natural content like "gaming youtube channels" will be pointless for a beginner because their speech will be incomprehensible until you're at least a high intermediate.

>>44509200
>Why not play babby games like Pokeyman?
Because they're only written in hiragana.Making them impossible for a beginner.

>>44515203

>>44515237
lmao

>>44512829
>No resources to understand the difference between male and female Japanese?
Any and all dictionaries will tell you if a particle is masculine or feminine.

>>44515255
does yomichan

>>44515231
the newer ones are kanji

>>44515263
手前
see 7.

>>44515295
thanks

i've "learned" over 1k kanji without any mnemonics or writing, will i end up regretting it? so far so good

reading eduction research has shown that the "whole word" approach, aka learning to read whole words is inferior to learning to read with the "phonics" approach, aka learning to read by learning all the complicated rules of english spelling reading. learning to read is not learning a language, since people learning to read already know the lanugage.
is learning kanji phonics and learning vocab the whole word approach?

>>44515303
mnemonics are just for beniggers struggling with the first few hundred kanji, the fact that you learned 1000 without using gayshit like that shows you have perseverance and will make it

>>44515303
I did the same and it actually helped me more than just wasting my time grinding mnemonics and permanent dekinai core decks. Knowing the kanji by raw memory makes vocabulary even easier.

>>44515303
okay but how did you learn them? immersion and just reading?

>>44515231
>Making them impossible for a beginner.
I beg to differ. lrn2gitgud

>>44515384
mix of immersion and core deck
i keep kanji spreadsheets of common or interesting things i've encountered
it's like an intentionally incomplete personal dictionary that fills in over time

>>44515384
Why don't you give the method at >>44508049 a go?

>>44515345
>he thinks mnemonics means shitty stories ripped from RTK
ngmi

the rtk
based
if you are a beginner in 2023 do the rtk

Imagine starting in 2023 lmfao

please just give me the definitive way of beating kanji...

eventually there will be so few japanese cause of shitty birth rates that they will be forced to speak english cause their language will die out.

>>44515467
mnemonics are a low iq (<140) crutch

>>44515192
A lot of words can't be figured out without context. e.g.
>上がる (too many meanings. means way more than "go up")
>掛ける (ditto. means way more than "hang")
>上(うえ? かみ?)
>上下(じょうげ? うえした?)
>市場(いちば? しじょう?)
>退く(しりぞく? どく? のく?)
>擦る(こする・なする)
>擦れる(すれる・こすれる)
>後生(ごしょう? こうせい?)
>装う(よそう? よそおう?)
etc.

>>44515518
>上がる

This is one of the earliest cards in core 2k, is core 2k actually retarded.

>>44515502
>thing I don't like is a crutch
sure thing bud. I bet you don't even know about 音符 and 意符

>>44515502
the mark of a 140+ iq is posting on 4chan about iq in a gay tone

yup this is why im learning

>>44515501
All developed countries in the world have below replacement birthrates IF you exclude the subhumans (spics, rapefugees, gypsies, abbos, etc.).

>>44515522
>is core 2k actually retarded
Yes. coreshit actually fucks with you in reality. If you get confused by 上がる still, you aren't reading enough.

>>44515538
so which vocab deck should i use

>>44515547
Just read something made for natives and create a deck from it

modernity is anti child rearing

>>44515522
>上がる (get stage-fright, become seized by nerves)
>上がる(stop (e.g. rain))
>上がる (finish/be done, leave work)
>上がる (profit, gain money e.g. 利益が上がる)
>上がる (progress in school (see 入学する))
>上がる (kenjougo for 行く and 訪ねる)
>上がる (auxiliary verb, to do ... upwards (e.g. 飛び上がる))
>etc.

>>44515561
okay so core 2k is retarded. i guess i'll start mining my own deck.

>>44515570
It was useful to me in spite of its shortcomings. It helped me remember a lot when I used it. Of course, you can forget about relying on anki as your sole method of study.
I just wish there were materials that taught nip from the Japanese point of view (e.g. non-inflectable words (体言), conjugated words (活用語)) instead of trying to shoehorn English grammar terms.

>>44515531

i only masturbate after doing my anki reps for the day. after anki, i immediately immerse with raw JAV or ero manga
i've conditioned myself where doing anki gets me hard. i can't even do anki reps on my commute anymore cause i get too hard.

>>44515518
just learn the most fundamental simple meaning of words like 上がる and read more
if seeing 雨上がり puts you into a state of panic because your 上がる card doesn't have that meaning then you can't learn japanese
for shit with 2 readings you can make 2 cards
i never would have considered studying 上（かみ） or うえした though
by the way you'd confuse a native if you wrote よそう as 装う

>>44515164
>Terrible reading comprehension in English
>Proceeds to try to act superior in a different language

Where did I say I skipped dialogue?

don't reply to esls bro get back to emersion

>>44515620
>上(かみ)
お上は何を考えているんだろうね?
>if seeing 雨上がり puts you into a state of panic
Who says I give a shit about retarded nitpicks? I was just stating that it's impossible to guess some stuff with 0 context. It can be solved easily by just adding a short phrase like 上がる (人前で, 舞台の上で)

>>44515641
>上(かみ)
i'm not saying i don't know it
>nitpicks
isn't it nitpicking to look at your 上がる card and say "uhhh which agaru"
seems stupid to have 10 different 上がる cards because you're worried you won't acquire all the uses of an n5 word

>>44515592

>>44515531
>>44515592
absolutely based

>>44515675
I'm not the faggot crying about Core 2k. Take it up with him.

Started into moon today and got conflicted answers when I googled with given name and surname order.
So for the character Madoka, would Kaname (surname) Madoka (given) be correct or the reverse?

>>44515570
you'll just end up recreating 80% of the retarded deck

>>44515711
SO WHAT DO I DO AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

don't think. just do the the 2.3k deck then read and watch and listen and read and watch and listen to more japanese.

>>44515716
do core2.3k and read. start mining about half way through

>>44515716
the rtk
based

>>44515705
anyone?

>>44515716
jalup

>>44515705
上の名前　下の名前

>>44515737
念のため言っておきますが、鹿目まどかですか？'
thanks google

>>44515737
>>44515755
?

I'm doing more anki than imersion
owari da

Any recommendations for calligraphy apps? Like writing kanji on my phone at cafes but most apps are too simple or are shit. Willing to pay some 400 yen but would like first hand reviews.

I did enough immersion I'm gonna immerse in some English translated works now

>>44515910
I took a quick look after seeing >>44508049 and came to the conclusion that everything is still trash.

>>44515910
DS Bimoji Training. Emulate it.

https://youtu.be/GQ0Igmjr8G4?t=157
lmfao

>>44516050
>that stroke order on 母

>>44515864
Good, that means you're actually memorizing the words you're reading. Immersion is for dekinais who hate studying.

>>44516090
Playing on autopilot without paying attention is the dekinai way.

>>44515518
>A lot of words can't be figured out without context.
Why are you trying to understand words outside of context?

a lot of those words don't use have kanji, but outside of specialized textbooks aren't really commonly used.
I think it's more important to understand how かける is used to express the action of a person/something "hanging" something than the associated Kanji. BTW "hang" is not really appropriate, think of かける as more of "a person/something putting something on top of something" and a lot of words/phrases that use かける start to make more sense

例えば、
>話しかける (to talk to someone/ to start a converstaion) 彼に話しかけられたんだけど
>追いかける (to chase after/ to pursue) 警官たちってひき逃げ容疑者を追いかけている。
>腰掛ける (to sit on/ to sit down onto something) 座っていい？じゃあ、こっちの根本に腰掛けます。

上下 （じょうげ) is probably more common usage as in 上下関係 the relationship between superiors and inferiors
市場 （しじょう）and (いちば）really derive on the context. しじょう is more of a broader term than encompasses things like the stock market, while いちば is a description of a physical marketplace more so of the local variety, like fish market, farmers market etc.
擦る is either こする or する, こする is generally used to describe a rubbing motion for cleaning purposes and する is a more general term for rubbing.

Unless you have ambition on becoming a Japanese Lawyer, I wouldn't worry too much about these tiny details because most Japanese people aren't this pedantic.

>>44516050
>L

God fucking damnit

>>44516111
>Why are you trying to understand words outside of context?
Because you can't for some of them. You see 上がる only, you can't tell which meaning it refers to. Hence my recommendation of adding a little note next to the word for the OCD autists.
At the end of the day, I don't give a shit. It's just a stupid deck and I already finished it, so it's not like it's my problem.

shut the frick up

>>44516151
>frick

frick off

no you

we dont swear around here
posi vibes only please

go to h e double hockeysticks

>>44505469
>>44505481
>>44513336
I hate it too, but if you stick with it you'll learn a lot of Japanese quickly.

>>44516133
上がる simply can be dumbed down to "going up"
階段を上がる "go up the stairs"
価格が上がる "prices go up"
昇進して上がる "to be promoted/ to go up in position"
Now there are some more abstract usages of あがる that require one experience it context to fully grasp what あがる is telling us.
出来上がる "to finish up"
仕事が上がる "to finish up your work"
料理が上がる "to be served up food"
上がってください "please come in/ please step up the 玄関 into my home"

I'm not a master of Japanese so take my explanations with a grain of 塩, but I'm 5 years deep, 11-13k words deep, and about to see if I can score 100 on the N1 this winter.

>we

>>44516197
meant to say 100%

tempted to dig up the jalup decks that anacreon posted and distribute them to cripple new people

>>44516197
>phrasal verbs
Very clever and inventive. However, as I'm sure you know, they often have little to do with the literal meaning of the preposition (e.g. put up with, mess up, eat sth up, gear up, write up, give up, form up). It goes without saying that this gives the Japanese a lot of trouble.
>>44516208
Good luck. I'm 4 years in and sadly nowhere near as knowledgeable.

we used to start arguments about rtk vs kklc so beginners will pick one

>>44516249
Is it so hard to just look up how to learn moonrunes? There are tons of videos that go in-depth on how to gear up for the kanken 1級 (~6300 moonrunes). I'm sure kanji autists know all the tricks to study them better than anyone.
This one even has (butchered, half-intelligible) English captions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGDuTqt_CiU

>貝合わせ
what can i say? you learn new words every day

>>44516284
when looking for advice on studying kanji from natives keep in mind that no native has ever studied kanji before being fluent
not that foreigners have better advice lol

>>44516284
i dont take advice from women as we fundamentally think differently

at some point during my reps my fingers shifted from 1 and 3 to 2 and 4
i'm gonna fucking kms

captcha: TAG 4 PK

>>44516308
>no native has ever studied kanji before being fluent
Which is why baka gaijin use ANKI and grammar guides, duh.

>>44516284
I think that method is for exams

abducting a jk and forcing her to complete the entire rtk deck

she'll be free by the end of the day

>>44516339
it's kanken she's done 準１級

why don't nihonjin just translate rtk to japanese so i can remember the kanji without crippling myself with english

>>44516339
Still gives a ton of useful advice:
>音符 (貨物(かもつ), contains and shares a reading with the much more common 化 from 変化) and 意符 (anything with 貝 likely has to do with money)
>group kanji with similar components together (構成, 排水溝, 購入)
>take advantage of the 6 (I think) patterns for compounds to remember (e.g. in 睡眠, both characters share the kun-reading ねむる)
>it's worth checking out the meaning of a rune just in case as they turn out useful occasionally
>write the runes 3 times at most. useful enough to help you remember without tiring you out (I recommend writing the words though)
>read as you write shit
>pay attention to hooks, stops, tapered strokes, etc.
>etc.

every time someone mentions 形声 i am dumbfounded how anyone could possibly manage to get past 200 kanji without figuring it out even if they somehow avoided reading about it
and then you see a nihonjin making a video for nihonjin pointing it out wtf

>>44516395
Textbooks for baka gaijin don't even mention them and since most retards expect self-contained methods that "just werk" without thinking, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who knows.

when talking about colors is ピンク or 桃 primarily used?

>>44516326
This is why I press spacebar for 3.

>>44516405
nah they leave a lot of shit out but i think just about all of them have that detail
genki 1 page 31

you can look up a dictionary in the time it takes you to guess.

guess faster

>>44516437
I was referring more to shit like 熟語の構成.
>>44516467
The mental effort that goes into recalling is what cements information in your brain.

yes sir

>>44516420

>>44516505
>熟語の構成
yeah that part is fair

we're making it boys, kinda surprised this one is fully furigana
wonder what else might be good and easy to read

>>44516617
えー マジ? 振り仮名!? キモーイ
振り仮名が許されるのは小学生までだよねー
キャハハハハハハハ

>>44516617
shounen magazines tend to require furigana everywhere

>>44516642
Keep in mind that that doesn't mean Medaka Box will be easy to read.

>>44505469
ignore the snowball, study whenever you want

>>44516640
faggot

>>44516617
good taste in manga
mokuro is nice for lookups

>>44516788
>he fell for the pasta hook, line and sinker

So how much time should it take me to memorize the kana? I think I can get this down within a month, is that good?

a few days of drilling to get to 90% and then a few weeks of reading to get to 100%

>>44517003
You mean reading in pure hiragana? Considering I have almost zero vocabulary I understand you mean pure phonetic reading. Any good resource for these kind of exercises? I will check back in a couple days after I drilled enough!

>>44516998
lol no, do it in a week. If you tried really hard you could learn each alphabet in 2 days

unnatural influx of beginners over the past two weeks
did a zoomer eceleb encourage them to learn japanese recently

Is that bad?

>>44517048
algorithms

>>44517048
I finally finished my degree recently and landed a comfy hybrid job so now I can finally learn whatever I ever wanted to learn which includes japanese. Sorry, I will try not to bother too much with my newbie questions.

>>44517048
You guys say this like every month though lol

>>44517048
dame you read my kokoro bro

Is 27 too old to learn nipponese?

>>44516998
About 5-8 hours spread across a few days.

>>44517106
just start now instead of wasting brain processes on such stupid thoughts

>>44516998
>>44517106
when in doubt ask chatgpt

>>44517141
true

>>44517106
Just learn it faggot.
>t. parents learned Italian at the tender age of 65

italian is easy (probably)

the more beginners on djt the higher up on the totem pole i am (near the top right below ciaran)

Conversation can be achieved by simply replacing words and phrases with Japanese without changing the English grammar. sirankedo :3

>>44517106
I started from 20 but didn't have the discipline to stick to it for such a long time until after I hit 30

I'd skin you alive just for saying that.
>t. student of translation tasked with correcting retardspeak

>>44517225
so you started at 30

kaiwa dekiru desu seikoushita de kantan ni kaeri kotoba to bunsetsu to nihongo nakute henkashi kono eigo bunpou. idk :3

>>44517252
wth roman reading!

>>44517236
the more I learn the more I realize I never knew anything. but I've read visual novels on and off over the years so it's not like I started from absolute scratch

机の乱れは心の乱れ

>>44505446
dame i love highschool dxd

>>44517048
i wonder what the iq distribution of the newest batch is

>>44517323
色んなおっぱいあるけれど〜

>>44517315
Piitason-sensei!

>>44517106
depends on what your native language is

urdu

stfu

budbudbud dingaling

Hi guys. If I just want to learn how to read light novels or manga in japanese, do I need to learn hiragana, kanji, or katakana? or do i need to learn all 3? I want to learn only what I need to read since I don't want to put in the effort to learn what I don't need. Thanks all!

we should petition japan to publish light novels and manga with romanji

>>44517586
you're in luck. you can read the English translations

what's the point when the japanese are going extinct and ai translators will be a thing

>>44505469
if you only added 5 cards a day you wouldn't feel like that
anki is very beneficial if you only keep it at 5 new cards daily
reviews never exceed 5 minutes or so
anki becomes too easy and fast to even want to quit
and you're still getting a steady drip of new words and kanji every day

i still lol @ the fact 金玉が上がったり下がったりする exists

>>44517628
>male term or language
Thanks yomichan-senpai

>>44517613
the birth of a nihilist!

need to fine-tune gpt-4 to make localizations that align better with western values

>>44516326
flashtard moment

nigtard moment

u will never grow old in japan and rage tell any small gaki about the 世も末

what happened to 下痢ben

>>44517800
Flash cards are the key to success. A good flash card is better than fine wine or a faithful wife.

todays the day i will actually for real go hard in jp, i started learning with anki for the first time in dec 1 2021 and i've done it so half assed and havent even done mining because i pretty much havent immersed at all. i missed out on an entire year of study but no more i will actually for real unironically start now.

>>44516412
jisho marks ピンク as a common word but not 桃色
the only time i saw 桃色 used commonly was in machikado mazoku with momo.
i guess there is a nuance is that if something is specifically peach-pink then you'd used 桃色, but 桃色 is itself just a shade of ピンク which is the general word.
it guess like how saying something is red is more common than saying it's scarlet which a lot of people would also just say is red.

Welcome beginner bros

Imagine being like "what word of these two would a japanese person use in a context i cant even imagine yet because i know that little japanese"

you'd prob want to use 桃色 to describe 乳輪

>>44518561
It’s a fair question. I think everyone questions whether to use the loanword or the native word when they’re starting out.

it's a useless question that has zero impact on your nihongo journey but having useless questions as a beginner is normal

>>44518589
its a fair question but meaningless unless it's on your homework or something for tomorrow's
by the time you will be speaking japanese you will know

>>44516326
Hate to shill tatsumoto's plugin but https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1715096333 and disable easy/hard.

>>44517106
no, i am 31

なつがすぎていきます

観光シーズンになりました

準備はできていますか？

お金がない
旅行したことがない
そもそも外に出ない派

>>44518647
i know

poorfags ngmi

>>44516998
depending on what you mean by memorize: 3 days or 3 years
>>44517030
no, you can use your computer to tell you what words written in kanji mean
>>44518627
I think you can change the keys directly in Anki now

>>44518561
bba's using filters lmao

Kanji are like Pokemon, Gotta Learn 'Em All.

learn this
*unzips pants*

>>44518812
imagine getting her to call herself a 雌豚おばさん during raw missionary sex

>>44518815
there's like 100k of them though

What's something (audiobook, livestream, podcast) that would make me at the very least learn some Japanese while I write stupid notes for college?

acquired 小さい

>>44518829
ゆとたわ

acquired 魑魅魍魎

>>44518829
>write stupid notes
whats your major?

>>44518829
there isn't. you won't learn while not paying attention, and you'll learn less shifting attention constantly from something else compared to just focusing on one thing for a period.

wonder if whitenoising is just useless or actually makes you unacquire japanese

>>44518846
secondary education major in science
It's fucking basic piss easy anatomy and the instructor is making us write everything down on a notebook for the whole semester.

>>44518919
your mom taught me anatomy at a very young age

owned

You should quit Japanese and learn something cool like Finnish instead.

wtf would i consume with finnish

pussy

https://twitter.com/roketdan2/status/1697956579629539607?s=20
lmao @ the video and the replies. it does not take much to make the japs drop their thinly veiled act

>>44519294
ski jumping

i finnish in your moms hairy fat muff every morning and every night

i wanna fuck an older woman like bunko did but she has to be a hot mom

>>44519607
ive fucked two women
both in their 40s, 30+bmi, with pubes and no kids
never used a condom

>>44519625
i wanna fuck a fit mom not an ugly hag

>>44519652
why it gotta be a mom that's some cuck shit also low test lol

>>44519678
its hot doing the netorare

as for me? reverse netorare

>>44519692
thats the no1 cuck pipeline cope

which is reverse, netori or netorase

>>44519739
people who say cuck a lot are the real low test cucks

it's crazy how ntr has 3 parties just like the holy trinity

>>44519749
i had 中出し sex 3 times yesterday and i get hard right after all the time
average a little of twice a day
å

>>44519764
little over
also i do physical labor for work lifting heavy shit all day

god i wish i could have 中田し sex

oops

>>44519781
just talk to older fat women with no kids

unko really thinks he's a chad for putting his limp dick in fat pigs and doing 90 iq construction work lmfao

>>44519794
not limp but ok
also not construction but ok

>>44519792
i don't think i could get it up for older fat women

imagine a ron weasley looking motherfucker unironically typing out >>44519764

>>44518842
>魑魅魍魎
That's a well known one. It's infamous for being one of the most memetic compounds among learners.

yeah i would only fuck a hag if she had a son around my age

>>44518864
If you can whitenoise you have nothing to unacquire yet anyway

>>44519877
yeah that's why it was the first thing that came to mind to post

>>44519893
you have to be highly fluent to lose the ability to whitenoise

>>44518864
Whitenoising/auto-pilot nullifies your gains. Only villains do that.

>>44519893
"paying attention but still understanding jack shit" whitenoise, yes. "letting it play in the background" whitenoise, no, you can do that when you already have plenty to unacquire

not learning jp, but came here to ask for some advice. what is the best set up for auto translating jp in a chrome browser?
i've been invited into a jp discord and it's a bit hard to navigate. i was thinking to just copy and paste into deepl, but in hindsight that is pretty bothersome for a chat format.

Why would you join a chat room if you have 0 interest in picking up the language?

>>44519825
Why not
>>44519871
I dont look like that anymore

>>44519985
the discord is not for learning japanese. it's an artist community.

>>44519971
why would i know anything about that

>>44519988
>Why not
because imagining it is unpleasant

>>44520134
Is it though

>>44519701
https://vndb.org/g1313