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I like it better when it is called "female wrestling."

>>453178
inb4judochop

>>453178
I'd love to learn it, but I want more of a punishing grappling art.

>>453189
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFM-xRKbSec

looks pretty punishing to me

Judo = BJJ + better takedowns

Judo becomes ineffective when your opponent isn't wearing a jacket or clothing that you can easily grasp.

Fools. Japanese martial arts is incomplete. 1, 2, 3 you finished. It can not suffice in true battle because you stick to your foolish sportsman ways.

Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless - like water. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash... be water my friends.

>>453292
Fuck off, you dead chink.

As someone who currently has a Shodan in Judo, and a Purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I can honestly say that Judo is the superior base. If you have no grappling background Judo is better at giving you the basic concepts. ( Balance, Weight, Speed, Strength )

柔道最高！

>>453273
Because over-under hooks are SO complicated, amirite?

If its good enough for Segata Sanshiro, its good enough for me.

Judo = If you want to be a badass, and just rough people up all the time. Neck-cranking from Kesagatame and shit.

BJJ = If you want to be a complete faggot, and pull guard all the time.

Sambo = If you want to be baller, and do Rolling Kneebars all day.

Catch = I don't think so, faggot.

>>453310

No, true martial arts lies within chinese kung-fu. Japanese branches are a mockery to our 5000 years of martial arts history. While it may be impressive your foolish karate, judo and jujitsu have reached an advanced stage in short time; HOWEVER WE HAVE ALREADY REACHED THAT STAGE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. WAKE UP.

I will force this down each and every one of your throats if I have to.

>>453343
I don't think so.

>>453343
As someone that studied various chinese martial arts for several years I can accurately say that chinese martial artists are the undisputed kings of bullshit in the martial art world

>>453255
I meant something along the lines of possible bone breaking. Slamming an assailant my knock the wind out of them for a while, but fact of the matter is they'll get back up to assault you again.

Unless Judo also teaches how to dislocate a person's wrist/arm/ankle/knee...?

>>453373
lol, slamming someone on the concrete of a back-alley is definitely going to break something

And yes, judo teaches ground techniques, though they're no where near the level of bjj's techniques, much like how (most) bjj sucks at takedowns

>>453360

You dare defy me, mere peon? Let us see your fair share of arguments then, fellow.

>>453371

You are nothing but lies and slander, commoner. What did you 'study'? Let us hear this great knowledge you attained about our (true) martial art after these "several" years, young one.

Otherwise you are both BULLSHIT.

>>453292
I believe in his philosophies as well but do not reject Traditional MA either or else u'll be a different kind of prisoner, he said that as well

JKD ftw

>>453373
Fighting games tell me judo teaches you how to dislocate shit. Although I think they're more inclined to teach you how NOT to do it...

>>453303
while it's true that you can supplement your lapel grips with over-under hooks if someone isn't wearing a jacket, the change in distance between you and your opponent and the lack of a strong grip on his limbs limits the number of techniques you can use

it's possible to use judo on someone not using a gi, but you have to modify your techniques rather significantly and you need to train no-gi frequently if you want to develop any degree of skill

>>453408
Actually, it's more like you have to use the Makikomi variations of throws. No big deal, anyone Judoka worth his/her salt could pull it off.

>>453417
>any Judoka worth his/her salt could pull it off.
Fixed.

JUDO SAIKOU!

>>453371
>>453360

Hey commoners. I'm still waiting, shall I go to sleep so you can do more research on google? HA HA!

>>453394
If you must know I studied primarily Shaolin Long Fist, White Crane, and Xing Yi primarily, though I learned forms and techniques from many other styles as well over a period of about 4 years.

Since then I've gone on to study mma with an emphasis on boxing and muay thai, though with plenty of judo, wrestling, and bjj mixed in, and found it to be far more effective in actual fighting situations than anything I ever learned while studying chinese martial arts.

>>453429
If you dirty chinks are so awesome, then why did Japan completely rape you in every war? Japan > China.

>>453178
Judo is good but to be a true martial artist u must know and practice several and see which best suits u, not this "THIS IS THE BEST MARTIAL ART EVAAA!!!!" bullshit
tl;dr - each MA has its strengths and weaknesses

>>453405
Wiki say Aikido is the one that teaches non-dismemberment. My fighting game knowledge always taught me otherwise.

Oh well. >>453385 sells me on looking into Judo.

>>453431

OK.

KRAV MAGA IS SUPERIOR

Dakiwakare is No. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPfeBuS7YqE

>>453440
Judo teaches you Ne-waza...

Pinning Techniques ( Osae-waza )
Choking Techniques ( Shimi-waza )
and Joint-locking Techniques ( Kansetsu-waza )

>>453446
BILL! KILLA HAME!!!!

>>453417
makkikomi variations are good for ippon, but they don't maintain enough control of the opponent after the takedown for them to be used seriously when grappling.

In an actual match where you don't win by simply throwing your opponent then a simple kosoto gari will prove more effective than any makkikomi

>>453448
BITCH GOT PWNT. JUDO 4 LYFE.

>>453343

Stop reading Baki you pineapple-flavored chink faggot

>>453477

lol

>>453462
Wrong, since I've transitioned into BJJ I've mainly used Makikomi throws to improve position. ( Soto-makikomi, Harai-makikomi, ect )

I usually land with Kesagatame starring me in the face, and with the ability to transition into Kami-shiho-gatame on the fly, Neckcranks and the Spinning choke are always available. ( Not to mention the ever present Armbar/Triangle )

>>453487
Well if you're able to make makkikomi work for you in bjj and nogi then more power to you, however for me and the majority of people I've trained with over the years they're simply too low percentage to make them a primary go-to move.
I'd rather go for a high percentage drop that will land me in full or half-guard and (like the kosoto gari) work for position from there than try a big flashy makkikomi and risk a reversal into side control.

Then again, I'm also a much better wrestler than I am a judoka

>>453518
Kosoto? I'd rather just go for an Ouchi/Kouchi stepover into halfguard, if that's all you're looking for.

>>453446
Jew Jitsu jokes aside, Krav Maga is pretty fucking hardcore.

>>453526
I've never been a fan of ouchi/kouchi, I mainly hit kouchi in judo when I'm faking an uchimata, but as the uchimata is much harder to pull off in nogi I don't find myself going for kouchi that often.
Ouchi I'll hit if someone tries to kosoto me, but it's something I save for counters.

I do find myself going for the harai-goshi makkikomi whenever I get a headlock, though.
But to be honest I only find myself clinching about 30% of the time I'm standing and so I don't get use my judo as often as I should.

I'm a big fan of flying arm-bars so most people I roll with choose to shoot in quickly, which is when I sprawl and sink in the brabo choke.

>>453431
>and found it to be far more effective in actual fighting situations than anything I ever learned while studying chinese martial arts.
You studied from disparate arts for a total of 4 years. An art only becomes effective through longer training and mastery. You're supposed to question why you're flapping like a crane 100 times, and try to figure it out. That thought, experimentation through training, and refinement of findings through repetition is where you find gains in effectiveness.
The art is not the forms; it's the training method.

I have a hard time picturing anonymous of any kind doing anything actually resembling brawling.

>>453651
I imagine girly slapfests, where flabby arms flail in the air over anime arguments. Whoever tires last wins.

>>453593
Naturally. It's like military training with a self-defense focus. I don't think there's a military anywhere that doesn't encourage the use of every option available to succeed in close combat.

Sometimes I wonder why more martial arts can't be so unrestricted. (Obvious answers to this are obvious.)

>>453665
Wing Chun?

Got my shodan in Judo here in Japan. Quit because I just couldn't deal with the training. Too fucking hardcore. But I completely respect true judoka and the art itself. Even if you can't pull off certain throws without the aid of the judoji (which is BS, because you can), the grappling and the general toughness you receive from judo training will improve your fighting skills by leaps and bounds.

I'm moving to Japan next year. I want to study Judo intensively once I get there. What should I do know to prepare myself physically for teh training? Currently, I'd say my power level is about 200 or so. Thanks for the help!

>>453801

You need to work on physical strength as well as cardiovascular endurance. Do weight training and running.

Since I was at work when this thread started I'm tossing in my two cents. My opinion is that judo is hella fun. This is from a guy that got up to his blue belt. Then I moved to the USA and the only place close to me that did it was at some high school where the children and adult classes were basically the same shit and pissed me off. In that the adult classes involved the kids who parents let them stay later. So I 'quit'. Compared to the 90 minute training sessions I was used to practicing and sparring with guys twice my size (5'3", 46kg at that time), it sucked ass.

I want to get back into it but once again now that I've moved the only martial arts available are Karate, TKD, Boxing, Kickboxing, and some Aikido class.

And yes judo is good for grappling, joint manipulation, and ground control. Practicality-wise, it works best when used to surprise folks. Once floored a guy who was like 6'5" compared to my 5'3" using osotogari which took him completely by surprise and stunned. Size doesn't play a big issue but strength, balance, and speed do.

>>453801
You don't really need to do anything beforehand as you'll be starting as a white belt anyways and you'll work into it. But if you really want, do some weight training to build strength and run to build endurance. Sparring and actual matches will tire you the fuck out like you wouldn't believe. I'm going to get back into it myself eventually. I really want to achieve my blackbelt.

>>454175
I also just want to add that it really sucks when you have no one to practice with because practicing throws, pins, chokes, and joint locks by yourself is just so futile and impossible. As opposed to striking technique martial arts where you can just practice your kata or whatever. At least the muscle memory becomes reflex much quicker with throws and such. For me anyways.

>>453178
I dunno if this has been pointed out yet, but the black guy is throwing the japanese dude with a hip-toss.

>>454193
No he's not. The Japanese guy is the one executing the technique. It looks like Ouchigari.

>>454199
>>454193
In fact, if you type Ouchigari into Google for the Image Search, it is the first two images that come up.

>>454200
pwnt

ok just before thsi thread dies, who's throwing whom?

>>454374
it looks like the black is losing his balance

I don't know any judo, but I think he's up for some type of body slam

>>453178
I believe it is the nigga doing the throwing my good man.

>>454394
knew i was right

>Slamming an assailant my knock the wind out of them for a while, but fact of the matter is they'll get back up to assault you again.

Then you're not doing it right. Either you've run away by then or you should be kicking them while they're down.

>now that I've moved the only martial arts available are Karate, TKD, Boxing, Kickboxing, and some Aikido class.

Aikido would be your best bet; you might find it useful cross training both were derived from a Jujitsu base. It's sort of like "long range jujutitsu." The throws work from locks mostly on the lower arm. You'll have a better time then most of the hippie n00bs who think it's all magic or something.

>>454394

No, the dude in the white is throwing the blue guy with Ouchigari, as previous posters have stated. Check his left foot. He's sweeping it up, with his opponent's balance taken (his ass his about to hit the floor as it is), and is preparing to land on top of the guy, probably to combo right into a hold. The guy in blue is hugging probably to attempt to swing him around with some defensive grappling but he's in a pretty bad spot right now.

I would suggest everyone to watch National Geographic's Fight Science documentary. They scientifically test several martial arts to give results on how effective they really are to separate myth from fact. IncludingTae Kwan do, Muay Thai, Boxing, Judo/BJJ, Ninjutsu, Karate, and weapons.

There are torrents available so you don't have to buy the DVD.

>>454472
>Aikido would be your best bet; you might find it useful cross training both were derived from a Jujitsu base. It's sort of like "long range jujutitsu." The throws work from locks mostly on the lower arm. You'll have a better time then most of the hippie n00bs who think it's all magic or something.
Oh, I know. Ever since I was little I've been put off by striking martial arts after getting kicked out of a karate dojo with my brother when we were like 8 or so. They claimed we broke their juice machine. I know it was because we were too hardcore for them.

But man, for some stupid reason martial arts places want to charge an arm and a leg for training. I'm thinking I'll just delay it until I get the opportunity to go to Japan and study at Kodokan.