/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Kinzo: W
Krauss: E
Natsuhi: S
Jessica: H
Nanjo: A
Eva: L
Hideyoshi: L
George: R
Rudolf: U
Kyrie: L
Genji: E
Rosa: A
Maria: G
Shannon: A
Kanon: I
Gohda: N
Kumasawa: !

Kinzo:my family is stupid blah blah blah, I'm gonna take everything when I die, and he's dead
Krauss: hide the embelzzement
Natsuhi: hates the rest of the family and to help her husband, also she's crazy
Jessica: teenage ANGST mixed with a crazy upbringing and strange servants
Nanjo: money for his grandaughter illness
Eva: she wants to be the head, that simple
Hideyoshi: maybe Kinzo's family destroyed his or he blames Kinzo for the destruction of his family
George: he's yandere for Shannon?
Rudolf: really nothing
Kyrie: she's samart and has mental issues about her baby, may blame the Ushiromiyas for her miscarriage
Genji: smaurai following Kinzo's will
Rosa: money, also hates her siblings
Maria: everyone should go to the Golden Land!
Shannon: may be crazy, nothing definite as for a reason, possible promised girl
Kanon: may be a secondary personality (games of pretend with Jessica)
Gohda: nothing, too good of a guy
Kumasawa: Kinzo's lover deserves her share of the fortune

FURNITURE: FURNITURE
PARENTS: MONEY
KIDS: THEY'RE ALL BATSHIT NUTS

I think you guys should avoid ''x has mental problems''-like motives. They're just not very likely when talking about a R07:s VN.

>>4592309
Except for all those times where people went absolutely fucking insane in Higurashi.

>>4592273
>Gohda: nothing, too good of a guy
The least obvious is always the culprit!

How much they need money, in the scale of 1 to 10:

Kinzo: 0
Krauss: 9
Natsuhi: 9
Jessica: 2
Nanjo: 8
Eva: 8
Hideyoshi: 8
George: 4
Rudolf: 10
Kyrie: 10
Genji: 1
Rosa: 8
Maria: 1
Shannon: 3
Kanon: 3
Gohda: 4
Kumasawa: 5

Initial masterminds are obvious.

You aren't covering enough possibilites, like Kasumi cosplaying Kyrie and stuff.
Also, we don't know what Fuukuin was like, but both Kanon and Shannon may have a grudge against Ushiromiya family for screwing up their youth.

Anyway, does that love thingy allow Ryu to pull shit out of his ass like in Matsuribayashi?

>>4592309
If they have a history of mental inestability, it's OK
Natsuhi liked killing baby and sees dellusions, EVA had a split persona, Rosa is bipolar
they're valid

>>4592332
what did he pull out of his ass?

>>4592331
Kinzo: 10
Kinzo is fucking Goldsmith. Kinzo fucking makes gold. Kinzo fucking sold his soul and everything for 10 tons of gold. Kinzo fucking used that as collateral to make more gold. Kinzo has an endless need for gold.

>>4592338
>bipolar
did you mean tsundere?

>>4592319
That had a reason.
You can claim that Rosa does have the autism gene and you can claim that Jessica and Maria could be a wincest childern, but otherwise there is absolutely no foreshadowing or non-bullshit reason for people to lose common sense.

I'm still Bawwing for what happened to Shion btw. She was such a good girl, she apologized, even.

>>4592349
but he really doesnt need to kill to get his own gold.

You need DECISIVE evidence Mr Battler

>>4592329
read his backstory
also he's stupid
he's the goats AT MOST, and they only move corpses

>>4592354
by bipolar I mean bipolar bitch
>here Maria have this candy
>You little shit go to die
in less than 10 seconds

>>4592358
Golden text Miles

>>4592349
Nah, he's like fucking Archer. Archer makes swords but his hands hold nothing in the end. Kinzo makes gold but has no use for it since his family is a bunch of worthless fuckers.

>>4592361
Kill the children. Take over their businesses and gold.

Kannon has possible grudges against Battler.

>>4592344
The culprit's motive, generally. I'm not talking about people being batshit and that acting as a motive, I mean the real culprit's backstory.

>>4592356
That's why he is obviously the least suspicious. Same goes for Maria because she is just a loli. Gohda murdered everyone because he wants to be her dad, end of the story

>>4592377
well I guess so, but I'd still think that he wouldnt care enough to actually do something to get their moneys.
And most of the businesses werent doing very well either..

>>4592381
We needed Takano's backstory, and surely we'lñl get the same for the last arc of umineko
the culprit will be fucked up and pitiable (though I hope I'm wrong)

>>4592377
And then, Kinzo was the Emperor

>>4592359
Not to mention that while she took extrene measures (which pretty much began with attacking Mion to avoid punishment), she acted according to logic, it's just that she was horribly wrong about the curse to begin with.

How can you guys still take this shit seriously?
It's a wonder.

>>4592331
You know, even though Rudolf almost always dies early on, he definitely knows a lot about what's going to happen. He's also the only one who should know that George is going to propose to Shannon.

I always thought Rudolf or Kyrie did it, Rudolf seemed to know something was going to happen in the first game and in all the games Battler doesn't really die, and the whole thing about the sin probably only affects Battler's family. Logically speaking it would seem to have to be someone with some reasonable relation to Battler.

>>4592421
Its just a habit.
When you have been discussing the theories for such a long time, you just cant stop it.

>>4592428
I don't remember him mentioning it, if he did that's strange.
But as for 'Battler's birth problems'... why would he get killed for that? Too bad Kanon and Battler are two different people, now it makes no sense at all.

>>4592393
> And most of the businesses werent doing very well either..

Exactly, the Ushiromiya clan wasn't doing well when he became head too. He has the fucking magic of miracles. He can turn those businesses around and make huge gold.

>>4592451
Maybe Kanon is Battler's brother taking revenge for a fucked up life and Rudolph suspects it.

>>4592456
more like he knew the future....

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>>4592456
> He has the fucking magic of miracles.
he is also dead..

>>4592482
He killed his children for the prosperity of the Ushiromiya clan and its finances. You can not disprove it.

>>4592494
His name can be inherited. George will be the new Kinzo!

>>4592494
Kinzo Ushiromiya is merely a title. The Kinzo Ushiromiya that died was in fact, Battler. Goldsmith is still very much alive.

Is there still some people who still take Umineko seriously anyways?
Is there anyone who still think that the plot is good and that revelation will be great and brick shitting?
It's a serious question.

>>4592512
Lately people seem to think about Brorge differently, I bet a certain 4koma has something to do with it.

>>4592503
>He killed his children for the prosperity of the Ushiromiya clan and its finances. You can not disprove it.

I wouldn't put it past grandfather.

>>4592528
Me here.

>>4592528
I think the plot is ''good'' in an entertaining way and Im pretty sure Im going to be surprised with something later on.
But I dont take it that seriously.

>>4592528
>Is there...?
Clearly an intelligent and well educated individual like yourself must know it to be true.

>>4592332
I really think Kasumi is behind everything, in nearly every game Kyrie is alone
Fix her makeup in EP1, met Beato in EP2 but EP3 it changes Kyrie is caught up with the epitah & EP4 maybe just Kasumi just going "fuck this".

Remember that the parentage of ANY of the children is suspicious.

Also, figuring out who distributed the money via the safe deposit boxes is important. Whoever did that has access to large quantities of cash BEFORE the murders.

>>4592528
>>4592545
Do witches exist? Does a good natured and polite /jp/fag exist?

It's all a Devil's Proof.

>Also, figuring out who distributed the money via the safe deposit boxes is important. Whoever did that has access to large quantities of cash BEFORE the murders.
And this is exactly the reason why I don't believe Shkanontrice is the mastermind.

>>4592571
>Does a good natured and polite /jp/fag exist?

My, my, but I've always been right here.

All violent criminals are selfish.
So either Umineko's culprit hates the family, wants some money, or was really pissed off at Battler for breaking a promise.
Money - Rudolf, Kumasawa, Nanjo (bank pin)
Pissed off at Battler for breaking a promise or not loving them - Jessica, Shannon, Kanon, Piece-Beatrice

>>4592576
What is the deal with Nanjo anyway, it seems he's been with Kinzo since the begining.

Kinzo is the mastermind. He was the obvious source of the trouble in the first one, but was easily dismissed. Because he is dead he is the least likely suspect. He is the true culprit, as implied in EP 1. The witches are playing with the red text.

>>4592594

Also worth remember that the ONLY source we have that Nanjo is an old friend of Kinzo's is his own words, and to be honest he always seems a bit sketchy in those conversations (though that's probably just him covering up the death).

We never see Nanjo and Kinzo interact, even in flashbacks.

>>4592528
Problem with Umineko is that it's far too much noises for not much in the end.
I would like it far more if the story was more concise.
But dragging it so much just make the delivery duller, especially considering that the story behind all this noise isn't something that warrant such a long build up.

6 games with an overall script that is longer than LOTR but do you really think that the setting, characters or overall plot are complex enough to get so much exposure?

But the soundtrack is great.

Anyone tried fortune telling in Umineko at all? in any of the games?

>>4592624
>6 games with an overall script that is longer than LOTR
How long is Umineko actually anyway? Any numbers about it available?

>>4592451
rudolf is in the toilet area where george practises his proposal speech (ep1 airport)

>>4592528
Still sorta do. I don't hang around when the same (troll) theories keep popping up, but I'd post if someone decided to shift the focus onto something different for once.

>>4592645
http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=VN/Eroge_Scriptsizes

Genji, Kumasawa & Nanjo are the most important characters in this story.
We know so little about them though.

>>4592632
none, but is a common fact that usually teenage girls (Jessica)b try it, especially horoscopes and at school

>>4592667
Seeing that makes most other groups seem lazy compared to Witch Hunt.

>>4592640
It's likely to happen in all episodes, but it's actually seen in Episode 2 during the time span mentioned in Episode 1.

>>4592688
Kumasawa especially. Genji, Shannon and Kanon all have the family crest, meaning they work directly under Kinzo (or at least that is what was said at one point. Someone has the picture). Gohda doesn't have the family crest because he works under Natsuhi. Yet why doesn't Kumasawa have a crest?

>>4592692
Oooh, i think Kasumi is a hint to something so anyone involved in "stuff" like that is worth looking at.

>>4592701

If it happens in the airport, it probably happens every game. The start time is pretty vague, but Ange says that when she sees them in the airport, that's before the game.

>>4592694
when they finish ep6 they'll have like 4 mbs transated

>>4592432
"............That's not it. I have no interest in matters concerning your immediate family or your home. Where are we? Rokkenjima. The main residence of the Ushiromiya head family. ......Isn't there a sin you should remember, fitting for this place......?"
"............Are you, ......saying that I have...another sin......?"
"......Remember, Ushiromiya Battler. .........Also, not being able to remember that is your sin. For that reason, I shall forgive you. If you can remember that, I shall forgive you. .........Remembering that is my test of atonement for you."

>>4592720
I think everything is the same until they arrive. So what changes that causes everyone to die.

>>4592713
>Yet why doesn't Kumasawa have a crest?

That's bothering me, too. I mean, she's worked there just as long as Genji has, surely Kinzo would have had enough trust in her after her working there all these years. Unless, she actually did have the eagle on her clothes, and royally screwed up in some way, only to have her crest taken away.

>>4592744
my bet goes to: so my wife doesn't get too suspiciousn of my affair
>>4592749
Maria's candy thing changes

>>4592744
Kinzo did trust her enough to take care of (or one of) the Beatrice in Kuwadorian. I'm not sure if it was after that accident, that she lost her rank. She might also have a better idea of what Kinzo really did with the orphans from the Fukuin House, as she was seen holding a child in EP5.

If you assume that Kumasawa is Virgilia (The original Beatrice who gave Kinzo his gold etc), then Jessica must be Beatrice.

EP 3 begins with a past scene where we are led to believe that the viewpoint character is Jessica, interacting with Beatrice. Then, it is in fact revealed that "Beatrice" is the previous Beatrice -Virgilia-, and that we were mislead, and this has nothing to do with the story: set presumably hundreds of years ago and we then basically forget about it.

That is ridiculous. Beatrice is a representation of someone on the island. That scene took place years ago, but it was about one of the characters that live on the island: Kumasawa was there, there is a mansion, and the viewpoint character refers to her Grandfather. Jessica is Beatrice.

She's probably not the culprit behind the murders, but she is Beatrice.

>>4593065
That's stupid.
Here is a better candidate: Shannon.
Came on the island when she was 6.
Kumasawa basically raised her and Kanon, Kanon even say in episode 6 that she is like a mother to him.
Jessica already has parents and Natsuhi probably raised her closely given her personality. We aren't given any hints that Jessica was close to Kumasawa or Kinzo

>>4593229

No, that's you that it, you're stupid.

Sorry. Anyway: Shannon wouldn't call anyone on the island "Grandfather", and the POV character in that scene does, and also refers to "the servants" as a separate group. It isn't Shannon.

>>4593565
Children always call adults who are old "grandfather" in Japan, it doesn't matter if they are blood related or not.

And for your second point, she also Kumasawa aka Virgillia as a witch, it was probably some kind of game of pretend between them.

>>4592745
So, the actual red says
#Ushiromiya Battler has a sin
#Because of your sin, people die.
#Due to your sin, a great many humans on this island die. No one escapes, all die.

The "your sin" seems to point to our protagonist Battler having a sin. However, right after this, we are introduced to the fact that there is a second Battler. Is there any possible way the sin belongs to this other Battler? Or am I reading this wrong? It'd be one explanation as to why he can't remember.

>>4593065
That, we are actually led to believe, is the Beatrice that Rosa killed.

>>4593614
So Rosa is really Battler that killed Beatrice?

>>4593634
Not unless Rosa is Asumu's son, and there is some weird time warp where 1967 was 6 years before 1986.

>>4593692
Was it ever stated that more than one Beatrice exists apart from the timeframe making no sense?

>>4593739

nice out of context, brah.

>>4593708
Well,
#In 1967, in a hidden mansion on Rokkenjima, Beatrice-sama existed as a human
#She is definitely dead!

#Six years ago for me, no person called Beatrice existed.
#I am the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

And because of Episode 2 and 4 and the two costumes of Beatrice, some people assume that two Beatrice's exist now.

>>4593755
>some people assume that two Beatrice's exist now
Doubletrice, fuck yeah!

>>4593739
Here's the full text of a few lines before and after:
"No, the true Ushiromiya Battler did not commit a sin. But as a result, a sin occurred, the span of six years became a blank space, and a man who knew nothing of that time took the name Ushiromiya Battler and appeared on Rokkenjima. ............That truth...goes like this." Six years ago, ......my opponent, the true Ushiromiya Battler, was already dead.

You were involved in a plot by Rudolf having something to do with distribution of the inheritance...a body double set up in Ushiromiya Battler's place.

While none of it is said in red, it is interesting. Especially since Rosa says in Ep. 2 :
"But, ...maybe he exists. No, that's a bad way to say it. ......What if, in your eyes, Battler-kun, Rudolf nii-san and Kyrie-san weren't your parents?"
...
"......But, are you really Battler-kun, Rudolf nii-san's child?!" "What the hell are you talking about?!! If I'm not Battler, then who else do I look like?!" "Including Rudolf nii-san, we've been reunited with you after six years. No one can prove that you really are Ushiromiya Battler, right?!"

>>4593780

Well yeah, we've been pretty certain that our Battler was actually Kyrie and Rudolf's child instead of Asumu's. And the true Ushiromiya Battler died in childbed.

I for one, hope that Ryu will spoonfeed us the solution in EP7.

>>4593810
You say that you are "fairly certain", and I do agree that it seems that our Battler is Kyrie's child. However, are you sure that's the truth?

What if the true Battler died six years ago? There are still other possibilities left open.
Heck, what if the 1129 in that code (07151129) is actually a date of death? True Battler could've died a month after the conference six years ago, and technically he would be dead "six years ago".

>>4593780
Well, it's actually out of context too:

It was from Ushiromiya Asumu that, ah, ngagh, ......nnnggghh......!!! ............Gwah!

Damn!! Why?! Why can't I say that I was born from my Mom?! How could something so stupid be true?"

"No need to suffer. I will not play. ......This is checkmate. You are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son."

............Wha, ............

"You're........., kidding......me............"

"Who are you? What person calling themselves Ushiromiya Battler?"

"W, ...wait a second.........I am, ...Ushiromiya Battler...... It was from Ushiromiya Asumu that I was born, and I'm Dad's and Mom's son...!"

"No. There is no way that you are my opponent Ushiromiya Battler. With this as proof."
"Proof, you say?!"

"You do not know of that sin six years ago."
".........Uh, .........th, that's........."

"No, the true Ushiromiya Battler did not commit a sin. But as a result, a sin occurred, the span of six years became a blank space, and a man who knew nothing of that time took the name Ushiromiya Battler and appeared on Rokkenjima. ............That truth...goes like this."
Six years ago, ......my opponent, the true Ushiromiya Battler, was already dead.

You were involved in a plot by Rudolf having something to do with distribution of the inheritance...a body double set up in Ushiromiya Battler's place.
"H, ......how could something that stupid be true.........? .........That's......so, ......ridiculous............"


Maybe it's just Beato's excuse to abandon the game.