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No one hates Touhou more than Touhou fans I guess.

ZUN is a hilarious writer

>>45968603
A lot of these really comes down to "I don't know", doesn't it.
Doubly hilarious that he does seem to at least remember the songs he made, but not the characters or the games. Selective memory at its finest.

Touhou being grim is canon, stop bitching already. It was never about cute girls doing cute things.

>>45968603
>- SSiB could've become an anime, but ZUN shoot the idea down
That's a shame, a Touhou anime would be great if done right, I am sure he could have his pick of studio's and creative control.
>- It's unlikely we will get another databook (BAiJR, PMiSS, and the like) as ZUN thought it's limiting and it will took up too much of his time he's no longer had
I figured this was the case but it still hurts to hear, those are what got me into Touhou.
It would be nice if ZUN sub contracted the creative side a little more, Gensokyo of Human's, the Magician who loved a Fake are great stories that feel they should be canon when compared to CDS. The Three Fairies artist still writes fairy stories and the are all fantastic. It would be nice if he did script overview and handed more off to other writers. I would love another PMiSS type book if it was written by say Ashiyama and proof read by ZUN.

>>45968735
Which is weird because the grim aspect has been acknowledged for since the beginning. This is from the Perfect Cherry Blossom prologue.
>Nonetheless, the main diet of youkai is, of course, humans.
>Natural products are especially popular. Food-gathering teams would go out at regular intervals to hunt humans. Of course, the youkai couldn't let the humans know about their presence. Under the guise of various accidents and incidents of people running away from home, the youkai hunted humans. A simple missing person would barely even make the news since there were too many people in the human world.
The idea that Gensokyo never had a dark side is a fanon fantasy. It may not be Zounose tier but it has always been there in the background.

>>45968735
>>45968824
I do not understand why you guys go into barely-related threads to bring it up out of nowhere and start bitching.

That motherfucker played everything as safe as humanly possible with WaHH's ending and left Kasen as the exact same character. Literally the entire finale had an effect on exactly five people: Reimu, Tenshi, Komachi, Eiki, and Kasen herself. How the fuck is she too hard to use now? She's just as easy to use as before.

>>45968735
Seems to me that canon is more whatever ZUN feels like doing that day.

>>45968603
I can't get over that art style influences writing bit. Now I can't help but wonder how CDS would be if Ginmokusei stuck with it.

>>45968682
I like Touhou,I hate ZUN for delivering shovels of crap mixed with interesting nuggets. Seriously, does anyone even care for more than 1/4th of any given manga?

>>45969083
Something about the OG art style seems cuter and innocenter, so I do suspect it'd be more like that.

>>45969088
me, I like all of them

>>45969105
same

>>45969083
Imagine if Azuma Aya did it like Horned Hermit. Instead of one long plot arc of nothing really happing it would be 16 different 2-parters of Satori solving random crimes with frequent guest appearances of various underground Youkai offering advice.
>since the motive was jealousy, I brought in an expert.

>>45968603
>ZUN really getting senile from his alcohol addiction
This, is not normal forgetting so much things even in his age, Im scared bros...

>>45969158
Honestly that was about what I expected when the manga was announced; Detective Conan but with youkai, and LE being the one with a single long-running plot.
Seija must be laughing at me because it turns out flipped.

>>45969088
Literally me.

>>45969083
I actually really enjoyed learning that bit! I kind of thought that it was the other way around, that he'd pick artists based on their previous works based on what his plans (or "plans") for a work would be.
>>45969088
>Seriously, does anyone even care for more than 1/4th of any given manga?
I've yet to meet a single fan who knows of the existence of the printworks that doesn't love at least half of them.
>>45969301
ZUN's been doing things off the cuff and on the fly since he was still a college student, you'd have a better argument trying to say the cap is hiding a dent he got from a bike accident during it. It's not too shocking he doesn't remember everything.

>>45969462
You misunderstood. I'm not saying fans only like 1/4th of the mangas, I'm saying they only care about 1/4th of what goes on in any given manga. The rest could be any kind of filler. When was the last time someone brought up the dandelions?

>>45969497
Ah, I see what you mean. I still can't really agree with your point since a lot of the time the printworks are bordering on SoL. I couldn't remember everything the Three Fairies did and the mischief they got up to but I remember each chapter was fun.

>>45969016
He's probably used up all the tricks he could make with her over the years and pussied out from making her undergo any serious character development so she couldn't learn any new ones.

>>45969512
NTA
But people overplay the ZUN alcoholic meme, many of the works people ask questions about are at minimum a half a decade old.
Trying to remember something, that's over half a decade old is pretty hard, not to mention ZUN started the series twenty years ago so of course he isn't going to remember shit.

>>45969529
I think it's also worth considering that Touhou was never meant to be this big mixed media series. ZUN is literally writing things on the fly, never bothering with a strict roadmap.
Good for fanworks, but not so much for canon.

>>45969529
He also likes to keep things relatively loose, it's not really anything we haven't already known for years so it shouldn't be shocking that some of the shit he's thrown at the wall doesn't stick with him 5-10 years later.

>>45968603
So about that Hifuu club.

>>45968603
>ZUN : (Talking about Kasen) It's hard to write her after WaHH, that's why she hasn't appeared much afterwards.
So it's all over for Kasen

>>45969722
But she starred in a fighting game, and was a key character in it too.
I think he is bored of her, and wants to use other characters. Too bad those characters are getting stale too.

>>45969722
I mean, her story arcs done. All she can do now is nag and make Tenshi mad. Or at least, I think Tenshi got pissed at her during the summoning circle part. Can't remember.

>>45968603
Zun doesn't give a damn and knows you nerds will eat up whatever he shits out.
All Zun has to do is pulls his cock out and you fags will suck his dick and ask for seconds lol

>>45969632
I'm all for him keeping things loose (even if the general excuse of 'it's for fanworks' doesn't really work when there's not many fanworks exploring any new concepts anymore) but holy fuck there's a reason no one past maybe TD is remembered and that's because they've barely, if ever, reappeared after their games since ZUN doesn't do Akyuu data book anymore
that doesn't limit the world, what limits the world is giving me absolutely no ideas as to what someone like sekibanki actually does in the village where she is supposedly in hiding. Does she work? What kind of work does she do? What does she eat? Who are her neighbours? Are they nosey? Do they want to know why she always hides her neck?
answer even one of these and I've suddenly got something to work with

>>45968765
>I figured this was the case but it still hurts to hear, those are what got me into Touhou.
Didn't get me into Touhou but PMiSS is what made me start getting more curious about Gensokyo.
>>45969529
Inconsistency happens in almost every long running series. Then people complain about it, fans start complaining about how forgetful the author is, other fans imitate said behavior and end you end up with both true and false inconsistency complains.

>>45968603
>It's unlikely we will get another databook
Those are the only 100% good printworks ZUN has done, what is he thinking?

>>45968603
>SSiB could've become an anime, but ZUN shoot the idea down
BUT WHY?!

>>45969083
Better yet, what if Akimaki was the artist from the start? Maybe Flan would've gotten her fight scene earlier.

>>45969722
If Flandre could be rescued from senility then Kasen could also at some point...

>>45968735
>>45968824
You grimfaggots are a bunch of fruity fags. Just because death is mentioned in official works it doesn't make the entire series "grim". The truth is that you want to make your shitty fanfics canon, this will NEVER happen.

>>45971944
If you think Touhou isn't grim, you're either legally blind or have something wrong with your head, and I say this as an exclusive cutefag who hates grimshit.

>>45971992
It's not grim and neither moeshit. Why is it so hard for people to understand something so simple? Is this autism?

Also, grimfags are lilke: "Did you see this?!?!?! Suika got ANGRY and threw BEANS at Miyoi!!!!!!!111! This is so heckin grim, bros!!! this shows grimsokyo is le canon and that zounose is right or something..."
And no one has EVER seriously claimed cutesokyo is canon, this is literally a delusion from your minds.

>>45972013
>neither moeshit
Yes, it isn't.
>It's not grim
If you think the whole Human Village situation isn't fucked up, there's definitely something wrong with you. Why is it so hard for people to understand something so simple?
>>45972038
Those are just zounosebots, they're not sapient.

>>45972047
The Human Village situation doesn't make it "grim". They aren't suffering, they aren't being genocided, they are not starving and they are protected from external threats, youkais are not allowed to kill humans from the village and Gensokyo needs the village to be that way to keep existing.

>>45972097
>They aren't suffering
They're being kept in constant state of paranoia.
>they aren't being genocided
Out of necessity. If they weren't needed they would share their fate with outsiders.
>they are not starving and they are protected from external threats
See above. It's a protection racket at best.
>youkais are not allowed to kill humans from the village
They still do occasionally, and a lot of youkai have the powers to hide it. Reimu can't punish them all.
>Gensokyo needs the village to be that way to keep existing
Not sure how this proves anything, are you saying it exists for a good cause?

Literally everything you said is headcanon. do the following: >>45971944
Arguing with grimfags is tiring.

>>45972241
Glad that we agreed that SoPM and FS are not canon. Have a good day.

>>45968603
>- ZUN regret that in Detective Satori he didn't make a good enough use of Reimu and Marisa
The obliviousness of this guy, I swear.

>>45972358
I like how people mostly complained about Satori but he only gives a shit about Reimu and Marisa.

>>45969779
>But she starred in a fighting game, and was a key character in it too.
Those came out during WaHH, and even then, she was only actually relevant in ULiL, since AoCF had her become entirely pointless almost immediately, despite being Reimu's initial partner, what with Yukari popping in and going like "lolno". AoCF suffered from a lot of bloat in characters who really didn't have a purpose anymore.
>>45968603
>- ZUN doesn't know what the fuck is he doing with Miyoi's character
Lotus Eaters never should've put any focus on Miyoi and instead exist as an anthology work that focuses on different characters every chapter, with the bar as a focal point, and the usual main cast taking a back seat as various minor characters get a chance to shine instead.
It'd offer a chance to explore some hanging plot threads, too, such as whatever's going on with Larva, the various troubles the Ministry of Right and Wrong is dealing with, or just long-forgotten characters like Youki.
The two old men are basically the only characters I care about at this point, and otherwise LE is almost as bad as the Satori manga.

>>45973010
>The two old men
I genuinely love these characters, wish them all the best, and ship them as a gay power couple. I think the bald one is the seme and the hairy one is the uke.

>>45970073
>there's a reason no one past maybe TD is remembered and that's because they've barely, if ever, reappeared after their games
That's so objectively false on so many levels I'm not even quite sure where to begin.

>>45971450
Does it really need one? Anime in most cases is a cheap and poorly done commercial of the source material, but Touhou doesn't need commercials, it's already everywhere.

>>45968603
>In conclusion, ZUN is a shitty writer
It's a funny game about a nun who shoots and dodges lasers. There's nothing much else I want from it.

>>45968603
>ZUN doesn't have the proper beginning and end for the series' story, the story is just whatever he likes that day

So he's the Japanese South Park. No wonder TH18 was all about Crypto/NFTs and looks like the next entry will be his icy cold take on AI lmao.

>>45974488
19 was about AI though

>>45974410
And even then that's not an original concept, he just saw Kiki Kaikai and was all like "I made this"

>>45974522
sayo-chan literally pc98 reimu

>>45968603
>SSiB anime

>>45974694
>>45971450
>>45974331
I remember ZUN saying in another interview he didn't want an anime adaptation of Touhou because "Touhou would be then only known from the anime and not from the games"

>>45974694
>>45974718
from where are this gifs

>>45974718
Seeing how even something like Fate took off after their Ufotable adaptation, can't say I blame him. And then the gacha game happens, bringing in even less people that bothered to read the VN.

>>45974806
Fate Zero and UBW were a huge success though, they marked a revival of otherwise forgotten series, it was turning into gachashit what actually killed it.

>>45974522
OG Marisa is just Cotton, if you replace Willows with Grimoires she even kept most of her personality...

>>45969722
Somehow I like this because one of the main trait of Gensokyo Sages is that they never meddle with Gensokyo affair more than necessary. And even if they had to, they do it in secret, and no one would know they did anything
So I am fine with Kasen just making a cameo here and there

>>45971450
Because as he said, it wasn’t written in a way that can be adapted well into an anime
Plus if you read more into the talk you would see ZUN talking about SSiB getting pretty bad reception at the beginning and he was told to add more action scene into it

>>45975387
I'm curious what people were complaining about.
Maybe the Japanese were also not reading CoLR as well so they were not getting all the info and character development, but I found SSiB enjoyable until they landed on the Moon.

>>45975375
Yukari shoved Miyoi into a bottle because no one invited her to a fucking drinking meeting

>>45975443
The japanese riot when the MC doesn't win. It's really that simple.

>>45975484
Yukari is a socially awkward autistic college student twisted into a Youkai by foul magics.
Please forgive her.
Although she does need some bully and comforting in equal measure in order to round out her edges.

>>45971382
I know how you feel. Even if Akyuu embellishes the truth and sometimes lies, she's only human and doesn't have special shonen powers, and represents the perspective from the plain off screen people and has past perspectives to compare from. Those books included comments from non-named characters, both humans and youkai and it gave a broader perspective on how people other than the big dick superpowered nerds see things.
>>45972241
>Arguing with grimfags is tiring.
It's not just arguing that's tiring, it's reading through it or trying to scroll past the waste of posts. Every argument is an endless line by line refutation of the preceding post taken to bump limit, but nothing gets refuted as neither side concedes an inch and both think the other is a massive retard.
>>45974694
>>45974718
Spoonfeed me sauce anon-sama. I need to see my 2wife's ??? animated.

>>45974559
>>45975300
this cant be true...

>>45975633
This and the Reisen and Eirin gif where uploaded on danbooru but without any actual source.

>>45975852
A little fun fact is that the pic with the three torches doesn't spam image results with other gifs from whatever character appears on it.
I also found picrel in this thread https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=63000&page=89
But I'm not sure if anyone has really posted this knowing wtf the source is.

>>45975547
Yeah, but people were seemingly complaining before the battle on the Moon.
I wonder what ZUN would have done if he didn't get advise from his editors. The shitty danmaku battles might not have even happened.

>>45968603
Nothing surprising.

Wouldn't call him a shitty writer. It's not an ordinary series of works.

Disappointing that databooks are unlikely, though it's been easy to guess for a long time.

>13 episodes of everyone grinning shit-eatingly
Dodged a bullet here

>>45976180
what

>>45968603
Reading this guy's interviews is depressing. Or rather, it would be if anyone had any real faith in him taking his own series seriously.
The part about Reimu and Marisa is particularly amusing. I bet that his concept of making a "good enough" use of his protagonists is having them beat villain of the week #87 after dropping a regurgitated line that is supposed to sound badass. Who cares about the Hakurei God anyway? Mitsumaru who?
Watch him half-ass the Miyadeguchi clan reveal in CDS too and change absolutely nothing.
And I don't even want to get started with Marisa flirting with the idea of becoming a youkai in different works because it's not worth my energy.

>>45968603
>I don't know I only wanted to draw cute girls while drunk
ZUN probably

>>45977957
And now people demand anything from lesbian romance up to political drama to be added in his games more explicitly, the guy cant catch a break. He just wanted to have fun, he never wanted Touhou to be "serious".

>>45974755
>>45975633
I found these from a gif thread on the 2chan Touhou subboard archive http://blog.livedoor.jp/coleblog/

>>45977997
Touhou has serious things since PCB but heenever develops it properly, it's natural for people to get tired

>>45978031
I've also seen those ZUN-styled animated scenes floating around in all over places, so my guess is that all these small animations originate from 2chan OC threads

>>45978031
imagine if it was someone trying to produce a complete anime but it was canceled

>>45978064
There was a rumour going around that these SSiB and other anime shots were from a fan anime that got cancelled because it didn't get ZUN's approval. Apparently ZUN thought that the fan anime looked "too much like official Touhou", which would've made fans think the anime as an official product.
But considering most of the anime shots are basically traced over ZUN art, they're more like mock-ups than real thing

>>45978064
Leaving IP issues aside, producing one anime episode costed $300k 10 years ago, it's not something you can do at home.

>>45977738
>Marisa flirting
She should do that.

>ZUN ; If I remember. Some of the books here made me think "wait, did we make that?"

>ZUN ; (looking at the book) I don't remember where I did that at all, though.

>BeatMARIO : When does she appear?
ZUN : I don't remember.

>ZUN : Yeah, It was made for...Not Antinomy. it's from Ur-Ur-Ur...
>ZUN : ...
>Jyunya : From Urban Legend in Limbo, right?
>ZUN : Yes

>>45978335
He's in his 40s and is already talking like Joe Biden, it's sad

>>45978335
Now make this post again after actually watching the stream and tell me what you noticed.

>>45978335
It's gengover

>>45978544
Sorry, I am a dumb EOL. How about you explain so your point can get across?

>>45979995
Nihongo muzukashii.

>>45980133
Bunga bunga.

>>45978335
I think this segment is just him not being knowledgeable in English

>>45977738
You gonnna have a stroke seeing early game if you want “serious” story
Touhou actually only started becoming more serious after MoF where ZUN actually tried to establish long arching conflicts between factions

>>45968603
ZUN was rarely much of a storyteller so this doesn't surprise me. That doesn't mean he can't write interesting things and such, but those are usually ideas and concepts rather than stories. Part of the whole reason I feel it's so attractive for fans to do their own stories and takes on Touhou is because there is a lot of interesting worldbuilding and ideas for potential stories, they're just rarely used. It's like he's selling toys, you get the toy and play with it yourself, the toy-seller doesn't tell you how you should play with it because why would he?

>>45983059
I remember someone making that toybox comparison before and one of the points he made was the bit of Ran's background. It's more than what you had to work with, but still vague enough you can fill in the blanks yourself.
It sucks for people wanting something concrete, and I want him to go more into detail on things and flesh things out at the very least to silence the "nuh uh" "uh huh" lore arguments, but it's good doujinshi bait nonetheless. It's why fandom interpretations are as big as they are.

>>45977738
>taking his own series seriously
>>45983059
>the toy-seller doesn't tell you how you should play with it because why would he

Yeah, ZUN's off the cuff approach is both a blessing and curse in that regard. I feel like 'canon' was never meant to be this definitive compendium that some anons think it is; rather an outlet for his (sometimes not so stellar) ideas and a springboard for fans to spin their own stories. Half-baked characters/plots are just an unfortunate consequence of his writing style.
And besides, headcanons are so rampant and inflexible that character development aggravates people as much as it clears things up. Not that they should dictate what he can and can't write, but it definitely plays into how much he tries to stir up the pot in certain works.

>>45989039
>spoiler
To be fair, that shit can't be fixed no matter how concrete and air-tight you make your plot. I'd make a joke about Alan Wake making that concept into a core part of the story but I've never actually played it.

>>45968735

>>45968603
>ZUN really getting senile from his alcohol addiction
I know you're saying this semi-ironically, but it's harder to get alcohol-associated brain damage (e.g Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome) from excess beer consumption as opposed to excess liquor consumption

>>45990236
>170xx.jpg
Sorry, but fucking how? This image is probably older than the board. At least call it pancakes.jpg.

I guess what this means is Touhou is never going to get any sort of proper ending and the series could legitimately end on some obscured non interesting story akin to something like 18's nothing burger. That fan theory of Touhou 20 being the last game is sounding less and less farfetched

>>45991776
Honestly I think if he’s really gonna end the series and retire he should do one last databook.

>>45991776
I don't think anyone ever expected it to get an ending considering how the games work on Sazae-san time.
>That fan theory of Touhou 20 being the last game is sounding less and less farfetched
Oh nevermind, you're some dumb retard from Twitter who only get into the franchise less than a decade ago.

>>45991829
Absolutely rent free.

>>45991829
Fuckhead that was a joke, I've been in the fandom since IN which is why I'm concerned about where the fuck he's taking the series.

>>45991851
He's taking it in the same direction he's taken it since IN, ironically. If anything the series has gotten more straightforward since, the idea of multiple-media arcs literally started there.

>>45991864
You're not wrong but back then the stories were actually important to the overall story. We've had nothing like that in ages and he doesn't even remember when we did lmao. I'm coping hard that CDS does anything at all in the end

>>45991889
We just had two major back-to-back story arcs spanning multiple years of games and printworks, with the first one arguably being the biggest one Touhou's ever seen spanning three games and I believe two works just off the top of my head. Is your point that you have a bad memory, or you just glossed over reading a wiki page on them?

I'm just wondering why anyone would believe Touhou would end at 20 specifically. Is that just because its a nice round number? He's got a family to feed now and is far too old to jump on the wagie train. Even if you wanna argue his creative juices are running thin (I do) he's also still a creative at heart, so between monetary reasons and personal feelings I don't see him quitting until he dies.

So hopefully we've got another 40 years ahead of us.

>>45992043
Wishful thinking at this point. Keeping up with Touhou is like watching a beloved relative slowly succumb to dementia.

>>45992043
>I'm just wondering why anyone would believe Touhou would end at 20 specifically
I never heard that

>>45992097
I never saw any theories about it either until anon mentioned it.
>>45992075
As someone who had to watch the end of that journey not even a few months ago, no, it's really not. To me it's more like watching Kamen Rider. Sometimes there'll be a really good show resetting or otherwise bringing back up the standard, but otherwise its a mostly straight decline of varying degrees.

>>45992043
>Is that just because its a nice round number?
Pretty much, I think people would rather have a round number before number 30.
At around 1 game every 2 years, 30 would be out by around 2045, ZUN would be around 68 which is pretty old by then and definitely retirement age.

>>45992309
Has ZUN given any hints as to what will happen to Touhou when he retires?

>>45992309
The thing with retirement age is when your job is based around making shit and if you're autistic enough, it doesn't exist. It's basically entirely about brain-drain and when you can't keep making ideas, but there's also the fact that ZUN holds no ties to anything but himself when it comes to Touhou. He could pull a, and pardon the normalfag comparison but it's late at night, Miyazaki and come back every 5 years after a so-called retirement. Speaking of I really need to watch that new movie, probably has gotten ripped by now...

>>45992442
didn't he say something about hoping his kids work on it or something?

>>45992469
I don't think he's ever said that.

>>45992043
I don't have the picture at hand but the whole thing of touhou ending at 20 (the 15th Windows installment) came from Rinnosuke's rant about 15 being the perfect number in the first chapter of CoLA. Supported also by him being ZUN's self insert, which people(at least recently) say it's because of the self portrait he made instead of relating it with anything else.
Dunno how much time it's been around but I remember there being a picture.

>>45992584
That's a stretch if I've ever seen one. Also the idea of Rinnosuke being ZUN's self insert in his entirety has only popped up recently because of reasons I'm not even really sure of. Probably /v/ or twitter as these things tend to be. It's from an interview from 2008 for christs sake.

>>45992664
>That's a stretch
Forgot to say that I also think that, but I remember seeing that pic posted here, I'm currently trying to find it to see if it isn't just some shit my mind made up.

>>45992584
I don't know what pic you're talking about but I do know that whole spiel by Kourin
>With the 12 volumes I have on hand and the three volumes there, that's a total of 15 volumes combined. I have no doubt that this is a set of 15 volumes. The shikigami of the outside world are the same as the ones in Gensokyo after all. With computers, F represents 15 and F represents a state of maximum capacity. It is written that when everything becomes F, the highest value is held.
Then some things about 15th night being the night of full moon, 3.1415 representing a perfect circle, etc.
Honestly it just sounds like something ZUN come up with while sitting on a toilet.

>>45992442
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Articles_of_the_Outer_World/ZUN_long_interview
In this interview he mentioned not wanting Touhou to fall into copyright hell and would rather see it go public domain like Lovecraft's works. It's under this section:
>自分が亡くなった後も生き続ける著作権はイヤだ
Kind of funny how he doesn't think it's reached 'Cthulhu Mythos' status yet. Arguably it's the closest thing out there right now in terms of doujinshi.

>>45992886
It had some quotes from that chapter but I think it was just text and nothing else in the pic saying it had the quote of "I think that it's natural for 15 to have power " iirc.
Closest thing I could find was someone saying that 15 was gonna be the last game before it released and picrel saying that th20 is the last one in the Sariel tier right above "The outside world isn't real".
This pic was posted in 2020, but I think that the pic was posted before that.

>>45968603
>- ZUN doesn't know if Genji still alive or even exist
Genjibros....

>>45968603
>- SSiB could've become an anime, but ZUN shoot the idea down
I actually think it's really funny that it's been more than 15 years since the /jp/-/a/ split and touhou still isn't properly /a/-related in all that time, besides the manga.

>>45992043
No one believe that, but people expected the story and series direction to take another turn at 20. Just like how ZUN revamped the series at MoF (Touhou 10)

>>45992886
It was just Rinnosuke monologue, at the time he genuinely was wondering where “computer” get their power from, that was one of his theory upon finding out that there are 15 spell books to study the control of computer
But for real, you guys do not know how much Rinnosuke actually know about Gensokyo. He just don’t want to share it

>>45993594
Kourin truly is ZUN's self-insert, huh.

>>45993594
I want to be Rinnosuke's friend.

>>45993594
how many characters now know about the Hakurei more than Reimu?

>>45993059
This lacks "Kaguya is Chang'e" theory somewhere in the middle

>>45994522
Yukari got lucky that Rinnosuke have enough self-awareness to not stir things up, because he is up to some real criminal shit inside his head

>>45996964
Come to think of it, wouldn't Kourin make a good archaeologist? Well, depending on how intact the thing he uses his ability on needs to be for it to trigger.

>>45997045
That's kind of the plot of half the fangames he's in. Either he's trying to figure out how [plot device] works or he gets possessed by it and becomes MANNosuke. Sometimes both. I always love it when people use him since he's arguably the most complex character in the series.

>>45993594
What hurt Reimu's honor during this exchange? It seems really weird to think about something like that out of the blue.

>>45997080
He unironically almost dropped Hakurei God lore just to back Reimu up on the "Hakurei Shrine is not a godless shrine" argument

>>45997045
There is literally a chapter where he inspected a bone Reimu picked up and say "It belong to an animal from before the god exist, formless, and doesn't have a name, so I cannot just made up a name for it"
And then he casually thought to himself that it might have belong to an ancient dragon and revealing the method to summon a dragon. How he know all that is beyond me

>>45994807
misumaru

>>45997186
>How he know all that is beyond me
He doesn't, everything that comes out from that youkai mutt's mouth should be taken with gigantic amount of salt, especially since in that same chapter Reimu correctly assume that it's there because Gensokyo was under the sea in ancient era (aka plate tectonic and shit)

>>45997233
But doesn't she follow the folktale belief that Japan came out of the water do to Izanagi's and Izanami's actions? She isn't wrong on how the dino bones ended up there, but not the why.

>>45997318
Sure, but Reimu still taking the simple and cleaner assumption of even if she didn't aware of the actual reason behind it, compared to Rinnosuke's usual schizo babble
I swear that guy despise Occam's razor with his entire being

>>45997441
>ESL usual schizo babble

>>45997441
to be fair. all of gensokyo despise Occam's Razor. it literally discard schizo Fantasy

>>45972951
You can tell he doesn't know how to write her for shit.
Also lost her smugness from SA

>>45972951
to be fair he's doing a shit job of writing reimu too, since she's so passive that she might as well not even be able to attack
it's fucking unbelievable to me that reimu hasn't tried to do any attacking since she attacked aya in the MoF arc
even in the UFO arc she was only involved in the flan fight for about one attack, and then she just stood around watching
difference is, there's plenty of other material with proactive reimu if I want that. What are satorifags going to read if her manga is about her being a laughing stock?

>>45999641
CDS is a mess of manga with more plot holes and OOC moments then all of FS and W&HH combined.

Why

>>45999641
I think you could write a story where Reimu is on the backfoot because she's not used to someone personally antagonizing her and putting her in a position where she can't just settle for the simplest solution. But that would require the vengeful spirit to have some sort of plan.

>>45999766
yeah, the problem is for a story like that to work, it needs to be clear to reimu why the usual approach won't work, and in CDS reimu hasn't actually had a direct confrontation with mizuchi. Essentially, that scene where mokou tries to attack mizuchi and gets possessed for it, should have been something that happened to reimu to establish that she can't just go out and attack everything
and yeah, she'd need a plan beyond 'just attack a bunch of people (who are not reimu and in some cases aren't even especially close to reimu) in order of the incidents (for some reason) to do something nefarious that hasn't been at all explained'

>>45999641
It's not like he did much better with Marisa really.
All she did was get possessed, stare creepily at Alice while she was sleeping, get tied up three times,
get the shit kicked out of her, pester Aya with constant idiotic questions and fire a laser at a vampire which does fucking nothing.
After all that she just disappears from the script with no explanation.

>>45999766
Isn't that kind of SSiB? At least if you stretch it a bit. That being said there's basically no way to fix CDS aside from giving it a mercy kill at this point.

>>45968603
>- It's hard for ZUN to write Kasen after WaHH, that's why she doesn't appear much after it ends
>- ZUN regret that in Detective Satori he didn't make a good enough use of Reimu and Marisa
>- ZUN doesn't know what the fuck is he doing with Miyoi's character
>- SSiB could've become an anime, but ZUN shoot the idea down
>- ZUN really getting senile from his alcohol addiction
Its time to hang them up ZUN. You're getting too damn old.

>>45993071
Its really a better idea that it didn't happen, but if it really happened, maybe touhou would've been alive and not stagnating like its been over the past decade. Not saying an anime would've saved the series, but it would've certainly been better than what ZUN is currently doing.

>>46000074
>touhou
>stagnating over the past decade
You'd make a great shareholder.

>>45968603
> In fact all of manga's art style influenced him what kind of tone to write for that manga
Dam, that's truly something.
>>45975387
This is also a bit of a shame, but more understandable than the style influencing the plot, wish that writers in general did a bit more of whatever the fuck they want.
>>45991776
>That fan theory of Touhou 20 being the last game is sounding less and less farfetched
Don't you mean more?
I guess some people like that idea but iirc after IN he's always been like "I'll keep going as long as I can with Touhou".

>>46000174
Am I wrong? Because the series has been doing little to make people go "hey lemme play the new game or read the new manga".

>>45997045
Archeologist, yes. Paleontologist on the other side...
Although maybe some fellow Archeologist would have to control his power level, to not make some history channel's "it was aliens" tier of statements but with more magic.
>>45997172
Hope we'll get some interesting Hakurei lore in CDS and that ZUN elaborates a bit.

>>46000702
>Am I wrong?
Considering how you've given no metric to measure it on and you're definitely just going to assume any given one having a line that goes down means "stagnation", then are you really asking that question seriously?

>>46000959
>and that ZUN elaborates a bit.
Do I tell him or you guys tell him?

>>45989039
>It sucks for people wanting something concrete, and I want him to go more into detail on things and flesh things out.
So if Zun ever plans to go serious with making more concrete lore it means that the fanartists wouldn't have anything to work with? That sounds like a good way to kill the real workhorse behind the fandom.

>>46001624
Aiee, who will make 1000 low effort lesbian porn illustrations???

>>45989039
Does ZUN still have an email? It doesn't seem like he does, and he'd probably get spammed to high hell nowadays, but it was a neat way to ask for lore clarifications. I'd love to have a question or two answered.

>>46001697
>I don't know

>>46001697
We are not in 2004 anymore... Zun contact is impossible. Damn that guy who sended that email full of questions and got answered is prety lucky

>>46001789
>Who?
>What game was this?
>I don't remember
This saves anon from having to email ZUN.

>>46000066
>Reimu and Marisa
I think he should be feeling this way with another character s but can't quite recall who...

>>46003640
He's taunting us, he literally put Alice in CDS and never let her speak a single fucking word.

>>45968603
I feel like Touhou grew just too big for ZUN and some schizoid fans demanding cohesive stories etc are just too much?
Like it's obvious that ZUN just want to write rather self-contained stories in somewhat connected world with a layer of lore under all of it that is not very binding but then you have faggots screeching "MUH LORE, MUH GRIMSOKYO, MUH WIKIA ARTICLE WITH TRANSLATION OF INTERVIEW FROM 2007!".

Also, anything related to PC-98 will be dodgy topic for ZUN because these games contain fuckton of traced illustration and borrowed material and while this was okay when Touhou was just a few games released on doujin event with ~100 people buying them, this will not fly rn when it's legit commercial franchise pretending to still be doujin series. Stop asking about it you fucking retards.

>In fact all of manga's art style influenced him what kind of tone to write for that manga
is that his excuse for not using the possessing through water method ever again?
>>46003640
Alice is dead anon let her go...

>>45992584
Here you go one of his rare self portraits

Zun doesn't even know how to write Reimu.

>>46007087
>has part that says she shows her true character in his screenshot
What did anon mean by this?

>>46006757
Fy fan vilken bra bild aså, och vilken najs intervju!!!! herre gud

zun rules

ZUN is dead and we killed him

I find it kind of hilarious at this point that /jp/'s recent constant bickering reminds me of /v/, while /v/'s Touhou threads of unintelligible shitposting and references reminds me of /jp/.
How the tables have turned.

>>45990559
4chanX has an option to change the filename of an image to a random string within the last year when posting
for example, on my PC this pic is called RanShower, but 4chanX makes it this

>>46003892
There are obvious cameos that only noobs ask about, and there are characters that aren't and don't have to stay in limbo
"wah wah leave PC-98 alone" ship sailed in 2005 when he included Yuuka (I can excuse Alice, who -by his own admission- was a megaten ripoff, as the namesake, even if the whole argument should fall flat here and there)

>>46011065
The truth is that the majority of /jp/ers are from /v/, the only thing that changed is that they are trying less and less to mask their true /v/aggot nature.

I think zun got infected with the gay.

>>46015531
It's not random, it's a unix timestamp - the amount of seconds since 1970. You can actually convert it to see when it was posted.

>>46024813
reading comprehension, you absolute gorilla nigger
The normal string is a unix timestamp, 4chanX creates a fake timestamp in place of the filename if the feature is enabled

>>46017628
I thought moot hated touhou

>>46025776
nah, this is still his favorite board!

https://youtu.be/kP7QymEKq2E
ZUN message to 4chan

>>46035529
>hello r*ddit

Our hero.... has betrayed is????!!!
ZUN BETRAYED US!!!!! AAAAGHHHHH!!!!!!! *starts tearing down Touhou-themed bedroom*

>>46035529
Cute but man beatmario looks way worse then I remember.

>>46035529
>Hello r3ddit
It's over

>>46035529
christ that's what beatmario looks like now? I remember when we called him fatmario after he gained a load of weight, but now he's looking like a cancer patient
I can't believe he still wears that fucking shirt too

>>46035529
people make fun of the english for their teeth but holy fuck I've never seen a british person with teeth like beatmario's
at least ZUN's teeth look like he actually takes care of them

>>46001197
Do you think /jp/ and other internet circles care as much as touhou in 2024 as they did in 2014? Thats what I mean.

>>46035706
>>46036058
Pretty sure beatmario was hospitalized not too long ago. I don't remember the cause.

>>45968682
I love touhou, and i love it when it gets grim.

>>45975484
Yukari is desperate in these recent years because Okina has taken her job as the mysterious, competent and all-knowing sage.

>>46048163
she already did something similar to this before Okina came in, her SWR story is about ruining the party for everyone for the same reason

>>45968603
>ZUN regret that in Detective Satori he didn't make a good enough use of Reimu and Marisa
Yeah, they should have been bullied more