/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>minori

Oh ef.

I think no one would be surprised by this. Minori haet gaijin.

>.ph

Philippines? lol wut

moniri vandalizing and claiming copyright on the internet?

They're claiming copyright when the page doesn't actually have any links or downloads to copyrighted content.

I'd rather see someone sic minori on NNL and tell them what they're doing with their games. God, that'd be lovely to watch.

so whats this all about?

>>4953695
admin of that site should redirect traffic from japan to a page with goaste or something for the novelty of it

too bad they're most likely pussies

>>4953701
Minori are the devs of Eden*

What, why would they be stupid eno-
>minori
Oh, nevermind.

This is hardly in keeping with minority spirit ;_;

Oh wow, companies abusing copyright claims, THAT'S new. Blizzard allows every video of the SC2 beta on youtube... except anything that mentions hacking. Even though DMCA doesn't cover them pulling down videos of how to hack their game.

>>4953732
well shit next thing we'll get fined for watching cable tv in friend's house

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Eden*

link to the page btw

>>4953710
That wouldn't solve anything, especially that quite a few translators are from japan themselves.

>>4953738
NFL already raids superbowl parties right? Public broadcast without a licence? Only ones at churches and such though I think.

Racism, nothing more.

>>4953745
wwhhhaaattttt

>>4953732
They didn't abuse anything, it's a free-for-all wiki after all

>>4953758
fine, VANDALIZED the wiki with ridiculous nonsense legal threats about copyrights. It's still pretty bad mannered for a corporation if nothing else. If the moonrunes do hold legal threats about copyrights, well i'm not sure about chilling effect laws concerning groundless legal threats. I guess I suspect it's unfairly lax though.

>>4953770
Now now I think it's more bad-mannered to translate other people work's without the permission of the creators. I'm not trolling nor do I care about copyrights but you guys should stop whining when the creators decide to strike back. Also it makes you look kind of stupid.

>>4953806
I don't understand your logic.

"Files are available on this page all have our copyright minori. We are the owners of the pages, I was allowed to delete all out because there is redistribution permission.

Please note.

The objections or concerns, Ltd. in Japanese Minori (info@minori.ph), please send it."

-Google translate of what was left on the vandalised *eden page.

Every files that was available on this page are copyrighted by minori. We never allowed the distribution of said files and thus deleted everything.

Objections and etc, please send in email in Japanese to info@minori.ph
translated for non moonspeakers

Now this is fucking funny. They're camping the page and reverting anyone who reverts the page.

They care a whole fucking lot considering that this page doesn't even contain the scripts for the game, and it's a fucking CLOSED TRANSLATION PROJECT that isn't being done on the wiki...

use a non-shitty ip geolocation website

>>4953811
To my gat to my money and I'm hooked on chronic.

Why aren't tlwiki devs banning minori from editing the site?

>>4953842
lol holy shit they're really camping

Notice of Copyright Infringement

minori Inc. Address:Takagi bldg. 6F, 1-20-10 Sugamo, Toshima-ku Tokyo,170-0002,JAPAN email: info@minori.ph

On behalf of “ minori Inc., ” in JAPAN, I hereby provide notice to you of copyright infringement by the website of www.minori.ph.


and request you to remove, or disable access to, the certain materials uploaded on the above website as follows.

1. Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed:

eden*

2. I have a good-faith belief that the copyright owner, its agent or the law, does not authorize use of the material in the manner complained of.

3. I state that the information in this notification is accurate, and, under penalty of perjury, that I am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

Sincerely yours.
LOL

Probable they sent something to NNL as well.

EF translation canceled because of Minori

>>4953849
There's no tlwiki admins around

>これ以上、不当に更新を行った場合、当社は法的措置を行います。

SHIT JUST GOT SERIOUS

lol they got trolled hard

>>4953849
Maybe because they don't care, it's not like this will hinder the translation process. Minori knows that and it seems they don't care either, some sort of keeping the trainee busy besides making fresh coffee

>>4953695
The page had the plus disc scripts and a link to the SVN with the main game scripts. Not that it justifies vandalism, but a C&D yes.

>>4953806
The page they have erased and are erasing contains no copyrighted material of theirs. It contains only a synopsis and links to closed translation projects. They have no legal rights in this matter, and are basically just being asses. What they are doing is like if google had a voting system, and the MPAA systematically downvoted links to torrent sites. Well worse than that actually. Much worse.

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Eden*&oldid=54032

wwwwwwwww

>>4953867
Oh no, they are going to send a letter now.

OH NO, STRONGLY WORDED LETTERS!

>>4953874
FREE FOR ALL WIKI. EVERYBODY CAN DO THAT SHIT

It's funny and they have the right to do so. Change the permissions for the wiki and that's it

>>4953806
Haeleth, you're alive?

hey its locked now

>>4953883
Just because you have the power to do it doesn't make it right. They're still being asses, man.

>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care>implying we care

"これ以上、不当に更新を行った場合、当社は法的措置を行います"

"No more unfair if we update, we will make legal action."

-Shit just got serious. Someone at Minori obviously has too much time on their hands.

>>4953658
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Someone tell Minori that people are only translating their stuff since they refuse to release it in English themselves.

>>4953892
That's coming from the guy that's stealing other peoples work.

inb4 it's not stealing facepalm meanings change over time end of story

>>4953913
They will not care.

>>4953915
>It isn't stealing, so I'll redefine the word stealing so that it is!

>>4953901

And too much money on their hands if they want to try an international copyright action.

>Minori

>>4953916
Once EF is released by nnl they might care, since they might view that directly as lost revenue.

>>4953915
I'm not the one stealing it, the wiki isn't the one stealing it.

Not only am I not the one stealing it, you want to know a secrete? I've never played a single VN, or Touhou game, never watched a single episode of shitty Japanese TV or anime. I'm here to watch your drama. I've come here, learned your jargon and lurk here among you just for your social atmosphere. And I love it.

>>4953918
It is just as it would be with copiers. The difference is the manufactures pay fees to the media industry, same goes for manufactures of storage devices. At least here in Europe but every nation with a strong media industry should regulate this kind of stuff through agreements.

>>4953934
That's...kinda sad and a total waste of time.

>>4953931

The game isn't fucking available in the US. How the fuck is it lost revenue if we can't buy the fucking game?

>>4953934
If your serious, you need to find another hobby. That's just so sad...

>>4953934
Geez it doesn't matter if it's you personally but you made yourself look stupid with that kind of argumentation. Also I don't care about copyright, but if the other side strikes back than I'm not the one who starts to whine like little girl.

>>4953946

Face it, a lot of us don't do Touhou or VNs but only talk about them.

>>4953941
But they still do it without permission, which is why it's kind of ironic if people then start to whine about minori being cheap and unfair.

hmmm anyone wants to link the NNLsite to tlwiki for minori to find it.

>>4953965

Why does permission matter?

If you make a product available in Country A but not Country B, it's an illegal restraint of trade.

>>4953972
> hmmm anyone wants to link the NNLsite to tlwiki for minori to find it.

The Japanese actually know about NNL more than TLWiki (though not sure about minori).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"私たちのゲームは全て日本国内の法令を遵守して制作しており、また日
本国外への販売、日本国外での使用は全て禁止しております。"

Crappy TL: "Our game obeys all decrees in Japan [something] also prohibits all sales to Japanese overseas and use at Japanese overseas."

So yes, they are trying to illegally prevent people overseas from buying or playing their games.

>>4953938
>>4953946
I'm not the only one. I also go to /tv/ and never watch tv, and go to /tg/ and never play M:tG D&D or Warhammer, drawf fortress, crawl, ect. I follow current events and like to read and talk about these things. You might be a Japanese culture fanatic but I am an internet culture fanatic.

>私たちのゲームは全て日本国内の法令を遵守して制作しており、また日
本国外への販売、日本国外での使用は全て禁止しております。もし貴方たち
が日本国外で minoriのゲームをプレイしたいということであれば、minoriから翻訳のための正
式なライセンスを受け、当該国における倫理審査団体（例えばアメリカで
あれば、Entertainment Software Rating Boardです）の審査を受けた上で、合法的に翻訳し販売（もしくは頒布）すべ
きだと考えます。当社はminori本社へいらっしゃって日本語で交渉される場
合、その用意があります。


Someone point them to MangaGamer and/or Jast, and point out that the ESRB in the US is not needed for PC releases, as companies like JastUSA do not use it.

>>4953983
Cool story bro. Also if you make your wiki open than everybody is allowed to do shit with it.

>>4953983
Cool story bro. Also if you make your wiki open then everybody is allowed to do shit with it.

>>4954002
That is still fucking stupid.
Even if it is not Touhous or VNs, there are other things that are of potential interest.
If you go to a board of specific interest and not care about anything they entail and you are content to watch them bicker, you are like an old crone that spies on her neighborhood just to get her kicks.

当該のページで公開されていた「.sc」ファイルは全て弊社の著作物であり、
著作権法で保護されています。これを翻訳し公開する行為は、翻訳権、複
製権、公衆送信権の侵害となります。本件について当社の見解は、管理人
およびプロジェクトのメールアドレスへ送致いたしました。なお、異議があ
る場合は、日本語で当社アドレスinfo@minori.phまでお送り下さい。（IPアドレ
スを調査いただけば、これが当社（minori）より投稿していることをご理解
いただけると思います。）

>>4954002
You must live a very boring life. When you end up on the dying bed you even won't be able to curse your life on your hobbies and how you wasted your time on them. Facepalm

>>4954002
Whatever makes you feel better.

>>4954002
I don't mind really, at least you know how to lurk first unlike 99% of the newfags migrating to /jp/ every week.

Minori is being a retard of the first class.
1) They vandalized a public wiki page.
2) They got butthurt when other random people reverted their vandalism
3) The page they vandalized says the page infringes on their copyright, when it doesn't, it's just a status page
4) There are other things that may infringe on their copyright a lot more than a status page, but they didn't touch those
5) They didn't send a C&D. This is just silly harassment.
6) They used bad engrish nobody can understand in their threat.

Currently TLWiki just protected the page and blanked it until a further decission will be made.

The project isn't hosted on TLWiki anyway, so I think minori is barking up the wrong tree.

>>4953656
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holy shit they left the note on VDZ's chat page now!
http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=User_talk:VDZ

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>>4953701

>>>/a/

>>4954022

You're late.

>>4954011

他社の事情はわかりかねますが、私たちのソフトウェアに関しては必ず当該
国の倫理機構団体の審査を受けることを条件にライセンスを提供します。
それが当社のポリシーです。私たちは英語版をリリースする予定はありま
せんが、英語版をリリースしたいと考える会社、グループが正式な手順でコ
ンタクトしてくるのであれば、可能性を閉ざすことはありません。当社は
社会的ルールに従って行動することを要求しているのです。


wwww

>>4954019
I've been here since the beginning.

>>4954021
They somehow have to keep the trainees busy and you guys are not only doing it without their permission you have even become a risk to their very existence. I can completely understand their train of thought, but they won't be able to do anything beyond this, unless ACTA passes and your little virgin asses will go to vacation with the good old boyz.

>Implying anyone translating anything could get in trouble with the law.

Seriously, no court is going to assemble to judge such a stupid case. No one gives a shit about this kind of stuff. Especially outside of Japan.

>>4954007
whatever you know, even wiki has its own rules or guidelines.

how nice of you to learn something useful today, be glad

>>4954042
>rules
Oh the irony

>>4954044
>troll
oh the irony

Minori is saying that they are fine releasing their stuff, but would require an ESRB rating. Unlike other countries the American ESRB system does not refuse to rate anything they are given, they have no policies in place to allow them to refuse a game. So it would be trivial to get a rating, nothing more than giving them the cash.

>>4954049
They're just using that as an excuse since they don't want to admit that their actions are based on xenophobia.

>>4954055

Pretty much. The Japanese are bunch of xenophobic dicks and minori are no exception.

Anyone else find it hilarious that minori uses a .ph domain?

>>4954049
Wait, so minori would be fine with a fan translation, as long as it gets... officially rated in the US?

>>4954062
they just google it and decide to put something to cover their obvious butthurt

>>4954062
I must say this sounds like a garbled translation, because that's how it reads for me as well.

>>4954062
No, what they said was that anyone wishing to release an English edition should be prepared to get it rated by the ESRB, and then come to them and negotiate for the rights to do so.

>>4954078
Oh... how fun.

>>4954029
>たちは英語版をリリースする予定はありま
せんが、英語版をリリースしたいと考える会社、グループが正式な手順でコ

ンタクトしてくるのであれば、可能性を閉ざすことはありません

tl;dr
We don't have plans to release it in english but we will not deny the possibilities of an english version if we are contracted


>>4953997
>私たちのゲームは全て日本国内の法令を遵守して制作しており、また日
本国外への販売、日本国外での使用は全て禁止しております

tl;dr we forbit foreign sells and we also forbid using it outside japan


OH THE IRONY

>>4954078
>No, what they said was that anyone wishing to release an English edition should be prepared to get it rated by the ESRB, and then come to them and negotiate for the rights to do so.

Send that to Jast, they are in a position they could do just that. Though wait for NNL to release EF.

>(Deletion log); 13:26 . . VDZ (Talk | contribs) deleted "Eden* Plus Mosaic - Add on Disc H001.sc" (Copyright violation: Deleted as per Minori's request)

Hope this doesn't set a precedent of other Japanese companies threatening legal action against fan translation projects.

>>4954093

This is why TLwiki is shit. Fan translations should be done separately, off-wiki.

>>4954062

Maybe they think ESRB wouldn't allow the game to be released because we're inferior gaijins who bully loli, or something.

But I'm probably wrong. Derp.

They don't want to release it overseas and would charge license fees that someone like manga-chan or Jast isn't able to pay. And of course it's their material and their right to do so also stop complaining about it and go 'underground' if you still wish to disobey the 'rules'.

lol why are they using .ph ???

>>4954093
>Hope this doesn't set a precedent of other Japanese companies threatening legal action against fan translation projects.

Moogy is offline right now, as are the Eden devs, so VDZ just did this in the short term until they come online.

>>4954096
In Japan every PC games needs to pass an ESRB equalant investigation so they probably misunderstood that we also need to do that too.

>>4954109
Because this:
http://minori.co.jp/

>>4954093
It must be noted that those were only raw scripts, as directly ripped from the game. The actual translation is done off-site.

As for future C&D's: There's not much you can do against a C&D. Legally speaking, they simply have the right to rape you if you don't stop the translation project...so the only possibility is to continue the translation in private and remove the public pages related to it.

Shit just got real.

>>4954128

I highly doubt minori has the money for an international copyright lawsuit. And since the relevant stuff is--as you said--hosted offsite, it cannot possibly hurt to keep the main page (which contains no copyright-violating content) up.

Man this shit is hilarious. minori ONLY HAS TO GAIN from gaijins doing a free fan translation of their game so they pretty much have absolutely no excuse for being xenophobic and gay.

Why are NIPs so racist?
;_;

>>4954137
They lose the power to negotiate with foreign companies, and they are scared of another Rapelay incident.

Stop arguing with Minori, whoever is doing it.

>>4954143

But trolling racist nips is fun.

>>4954142
Minori hates gaijin and doesn't want their games to be played outside of Japan, so I doubt they'd want to negotiate with foreign companies.

>>4954142
Like they even planned on doing that in the first place. And why would they be scared of that? It's not like there aren't plenty of VNs translated already.

>当社はレーティングを行わずリリースする行為は道徳に反すると考えて
います。

Publishing without a rating is unethical? Oh, minori

Minori is just very racist. This is not about copyright infringements at all.

>>4954152
>Japan is just very racist.

Fixed that for you.

>>4954128

Take a page from their book bro
Give em a redirect saying that tlwiki doesn't serve nips\failiphinos

I think the biggest thing to focus on here past everything else isn't that minori doesn't want their game translated, because they have every right to not want them to as the creators, but the fact they vandalized a site making a free translation of their game in good faith instead of simply telling them to stop. Absolutely stunning.

We must understand that is of our interest to support them.

We don't want any new law regulating eroges, doujinshi, etc. If that means we won't be able to play some games for the time being, so be it. Just learn Japanese and buy the game if you really care.

For such a substandard, sucky company, minori sure take its shit seriously.

>>4954151
where did you get that from?

>>4954159

Agreed. Make TLwiki just block all Japanese IPs.

>>4954166
>Just learn Japanese and buy the game if you really care.

>私たちのゲームは全て日本国内の法令を遵守して制作しており、また日
本国外への販売、日本国外での使用は全て禁止しております。

your status = ?

>>4954169
You would too if your paycheck were dependent on little girls drawings with lots of sexual and violent themes.

>>4954171
Their IP talk page
http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=User_talk:218.219.158.186

>>4954177
Bangkok, my japanese sucks ass, but are they saying they prohibit their games outside Japan?

I blame the fandub!

>>4954173
That would be rather bothersome for the TLWiki translators who live in Japan

>>4954186

Yes. They claim that it is illegal to play their games outside Japan.

>>4954173

I wouldn't say we need to go that far yet, I'm just saying it'd be amusing give that specific IP a redirect to a page that's modeled after their block.

>>4954165
Their initial edit just replaced the page with a normal C&D notice. The legal threats only came after somebody kept reverting minori's edits.

>>4954192
Now that is just BULLSHIT.

legal threat my ass. it cost way too much money to even initiate such action.

if the translator isn't even making any money in any way, minori is just wasting time and perhaps just trolling to cause a scare.

>>4954156
Since so many Eroge publishers have done so, right?
Oh, wait.

This kinda conflicts with their "we hope this separation would be only for a short moment" message in the (blocked) site.

>>4954205
well half of them did block us though

>>4954177

And the reason they say that is because they want to prevent another Rapelay incident. It's understandable.

Do you really think things would have come to this without that incident and its subsequent media coverage/pressure?

That's my vision, at least. No need to get cocky. Take it easy.

Ban IP ranges from japan. If you don't have them, ask and I'll give

>>4954223

The Rapeplay fiasco just makes it easier to validate their xenophobia. Their comments, stance and actions just reek of it.

>>4954246
Said the pirate

rapelay incident is wholly their problem.
they had no need to listen to outside noise

>>4954252

Your point? I'm not the one contradicting my own argument in my own native language to protect my products of loli porn exclusively for my master race.

I finished this game long ago, wasn't that great anyway. Minori can go suck dicks.

>>4954261

If even powerful countries can't handle it, how could a small industry judged perverse by the whole world, handle it?

The whole rapelay incident is because Japanese are spineless faggots. Real men would have said : "It's our culture and how our country has always been, now fuck off because we're not gonna change anything and we're superior to you btw." Unfortunately, they bend in front of everyone.
In fact, feminists in Japan have been waiting for a long time in order to justify a ban for everything, even in the government. Maybe everything is a plot coming from the inside of Japan in the first place.
Feminists should be stoned to death in public, and politicians shouldn't even be wasting their time talking about banning drawings or games.

Why would a Japanese company have a .ph website?

>>4954336
QFT

>>4954336
Just as stupid as saying that Bush should just have said this is my country and I will fucking imprison and treat anybody I wish to and if you oppose this I have to tell you that I'm superior than you

>>4954336
Just as stupid as saying that Bush should just have said this is my country and I will fucking imprison and threat anybody I wish to and if you oppose this I have to tell you that I'm superior than you

>>4954368
I don't understand your logic.

>>4954368
... Telling Foreign factors interfering with legal products to fuck off is the same as the president arresting and threatening people at random?

lolwat
They'll just go underground and continue there, seriously I'll never get these C&D threats.
It's not like they can prove who did what, especially on the internet.
It's like downloading an iso and trying to find out who ripped it, good luck with that.

>>4954368
>implying homeland security didn't do exactly that

Like he said, the problem is that nips are spineless pussies.

They should grow some balls like us americans. You don't see the world dictating anything about us, do you? By the way, it's 5280 feet to mile.

>>4954378
Not quite the point but somewhat the same for a country under foreign rule to some extend like Japan which is dependent on good public relations because of their exploitable status in the world-wide economic system

>>4954336

You just read that in Shitkaku. Now you are repeating that nonsense.

The world doesn't work that way. Specially not when the whole world points at a group the country in question hates (otaku). Normal Japanese would be the first ones to be proud of their country, when they see the lolis gone.

>>4954095
1) This project is done off-wiki, which is why those files were deleted - everyone already has them, they are backed up, and can be restored easily
2) Those files were just plain script dumps from the game, they were not edited.

>>4954136
They'll probably keep the main page around, but it'll stay offline until Moogy decides how to handle this, and after he consults the eden* project staff.

There is nothing for you to worry here /jp/, everything is still going on as planned.

>>4954173
Might be a good idea if you don't think ahead, but we do have some translators living in japan.

>>4954391
I don't go on the horrible site you mentionned and I don't repeat anything. I make my own opinions, thanks.

To ban something in their country because some shitty feminists and journalists from other countries ask them to, show how much Japan is a submissive country.

I wonder if anyone would dare to bash Japan if they had nukes ?

>>4954414
They didn't actually ban anything.
They just pretended they'd do something through "self-regulation".
You know all those attempted loli bans? They all failed, but they never "officially failed", because the politicians are too scared to reject the bill because it might hurt their public image, instead they just put it away and forget about it, to be rejected in a more silent way.

This is hilarious, I think its just one drunk staff member doing it. The poor guy probably lost a bet and was forced to do this.
I mean its kinda weird to take actions friday night after office hours.

The EF fandub preview was taken offline because of a copyright claim, episodes went untouched though.

It would be hilarious if this gave Jaka motivation to finish this, seeing that he likes drama and hasn't translated any of this in a month.

This page has been deleted. The deletion log for the page is provided below for reference.

* 21:59, 23 April 2010 Moogy (Talk | contribs) deleted "Eden*" ‎ (Author request: don't remake this page, don't post minori shit here, don't argue with them, are you guys fucking retarded)

>>4956782
God this is hilarious.

>>4956782

Moogy is fucking retarded.

>>4956806
Moogy is a hero and he promised he would send trained assassins against them

Ban all .jp IPs.

Problem solved.

>Author request: don't remake this page, don't post minori shit here, don't argue with them, are you guys fucking retarded
>are you guys fucking retarded
I wonder if that's a question.

>>4956816
More like, "Moogy is hetero."

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Well this sure is... interesting drama

Well, this sure is... interesting drama, to say the least.

>>4956904
Oh Lord, here we go...

>>4956904
Hey guys, moogy is fucking retarded after all.

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First, if anyone from minori is reading this, I would like to apologize for the childish behavior of some of the other users in response to their request. However, I would also like to state that blanking a page without prior notice is not the proper way to express your desire for a takedown.

I would quite prefer it if companies would simply notify me personally via email. Perhaps I'll add a disclaimer to the main page stating as such.

I have removed administration abilities from the majority of users since I do not wish for anyone except myself to be construed as acting in the capacity of the official face of TLWiki.

That's all I wanted to say. Hopefully most companies will be more understanding...

Oh yeah, thanks to the one guy who was actually polite enough to respond to minori in Japanese. Heh. Moogy (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

It would be pretty funny if it was just some guy trolling fags hard.

>>4956950
I wouldn't put it above minori.

>>4956950
>Above forgot to mention the edits are coming from a real Minori IP address. --70.17.245.149 13:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

>>4956904
I like this theme.

Why is minori so full of buttanger against gaijins?

It's not like we're all responsible for the censorship drama last year.

>>4956980
Where does Arudoc go in The Family?

>>4956904

So remember when we all kept saying that trusting TLwiki as a place to put everyone's translations was a retarded idea?

Yeah, that.

>>4956987
It's a bunch of factors. Number one being that the Japanese are cowards. Number two being that the Japanese take their jobs more seriously than their lives. Number three being that the Japanese are racists. Put that all together with the rapelay incident and you've got yourself a bunch of bitching.

>>4956987
Yes we are. Guilt by association.

But so are Japanese. So no one is innocent.

>>4956998

Yeah, but look at Nitroplus. Their works are more risque than minori's no matter how you look at it, and still they seem to love gaijin attention.

When the western VN market finally booms, I can't wait to taste minori's tears for digging their own grave.

>>4957008
Well, not every person/company acts the same even in a given culture. I was pointing out tendencies.

>>4957019

Sure, but out all of them minori seems to be the most butthurt. There are some others blocking foreign IPs too but they wouldn't do something like this.

I approve of NNL's attitude because it's basically counter-trolling.

>>4956980
Any more pics like this?

I'd be for the idea of blocking JP IPs, but we have staffers living in Japan and I don't want to inconvenience them to the point of needing a proxy to view the site.

If anyone could provide me with a list of IP addresses for eroge companies who aren't friendly to fan translators (lol, like this will happen), I'd be glad to block them though.

Otherwise there's not really much I can do. The server is located in the USA and hosts novelnews.net and *.moelicious.be as well, so I don't feel like dragging dovac and everyone into DMCA battles. Removing offending material from public view and providing backups to the team if needed is the best option from my point of view.

>>4957072

Put on a link to NNL's direct download standalone with giant blinking letters WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW, and lock it for edits.

>>4957095

This. You can't DMCA links.

>>4954649
THIS SO MUCH

Minori: the Deviantart fags of the eroge industry.

>>4957072
>>4956904
Spineless faggot.

I'm not following all this drama, but wasn't NNL the "break the support disc" group?

>>4957241
Yeah, but that was also insani.

>>4956980
you missed the "threatens databases" link from NNL to VNDB

>>4957241
Yes.

>>4957196
For... stopping people camping a page?

Why does anybody give a shit about NNL anyway? They've done nothing but troll and jerk people around for 4 years now.

>>4957334
Because according to >>4956980 they feed us with drama. /jp/ loves drama.

minori has been fucking retarded from the start. They should be honored that people would take the time to translate their game in their spare time. As long as the translators ask for people who use the patch to buy the game, it should be completely fine.
Witch Hunt even got a letter from R07 about the translation of Umineko no Naku Koro Ni, and how grateful he is. Why can't these xenophobic nips see it in that aspect?

>>4957424
Well, they can't all be xenophobic like you said if you just mentioned an example of one who appreciates it.

>>4957424
You read it wrong.
I said >these xenophobic nips
I meant the devs from minori.

>>4957432
>these xenophobic nips
I meant the devs from minori.

So no more Hatsukoi translation?

>>4957494
Hatsukoi is independent.

>>4957424
Didn't Ryukishi07 also name one of his characters after Witch Hunt too?

>>4957520
In episode 4, there was a college professor who called himself a "Witch Hunter." Ryuukishi07 said he put the name there in Witch Hunt's honor.

>>4957559
Huh, for some reason I didn't notice the connection while reading. That's pretty cool.

>>4957520
One of the characters has an affiliation with a group called Witch Hunt or something. Can't remember it exactly, it's been a while since I Ep 4ed.

Testing for autosage

On behalf of Moogy and the rest of the TLWiki administration, here I am to explain what happened as "someone with a cooler head on [his] shoulders." Moogy woke up to the drama, saw the article on novelnews (which is a great summary btw), took a look at the Recent Changes page, reverse-DNS'd the poster's IP address (218.219.158.186), and found out that the IP resolved to minori.ph.

That's when he finally says, "well shit."

But why say, "well shit"? We have a policy of respecting the original authors' requests both out of respect and courtesy: ironically, the TLWiki is part of the same domain as the prevalent lolipower and Amaterasu; bothering the generous dovac with the legal issues of a takedown notice is pure courtesy. Anyway.

This all assumes that the claim _did_ come from the minori offices. And before you speculate, server rooms are sometimes in the same facility as the officespace. IP spoofing, not so good. Virus that proxies through the server room from a raging nativist NEET's house, maybe. I know not many of you doubt the source, but I need to get you all on the same page.

Now about that demand - most of you know that the TLWiki hosted no actual content except for multiple Add-On Disc's script files. This is what most likely pertains to their takedown request, although they might be overestimating our involvement as much as judges misunderstand Bittorrent trackers. Although we do agree that posting a copyright claim on Talk Pages isn't exactly professional-looking, it nevertheless is valid.

And now for some news: the eden* project's email itself has recieved a more professional and official-looking takedown message. Please, PLEASE, do not email minori or send them hate mail. If you must, do it in fluent Japanese and not in English.

I will now, as with most of my tripfagged posts on /jp/, answer questions.

>>4957997
This is mine, and posted anonymously because some of you bastards filter all tripcoded posts.

>>4957997
how is babby formed?

>>4957997
TL:DR, host your projects elsewhere

>>4957997
So, just take down the script files (and I'm gonna assume you already did). What the hell can they do if you take those down?

>>4958012
When a father and daughter love each other, a babby is made as the fruits of their incestuous love spontaneously give life to a deformed child.

Next question!

atleast nnl gets their shit done unlike pussy tlwiki

go for it nnl

>>4958017
Nothing, really. The site is still in the stage where we're overthinking all our choices and outcomes. I'm leaning towards restoring the page, but the following mucks restoration up:
>the eden* project's email itself has recieved a more professional and official-looking takedown message

What happens to them will probably dictate our response.

>>4958044

Not sure if troll...

>>4957997
Still doesn't make sense on why they take action on eden and not NNL?

Is this another NNL troll?

>>4958052
In any event, Minori needs to learn how the law works before they start trying to enforce it. You can't just go harassing someone's site without even consulting them about the issue you're having.

>>4958057
The EF Fandub preview got taken down, and there is little reason to believe nnl wasn't sent a similar message

>>4958057

NNL just chooses to ignore them. It's not like these guys have anything to show for it yet anyway. But when minori blocked foreign IPs they retaliated by informing that the Ef release will be a standalone and not a patch, since minori is pretty much saying they don't want gaijin dollars.

>>4958073
That's good news. The Fandub is the shittiest idea I've heard in a long time. I feel physically sick at the very thought of having British and Americans with no voice acting talent voice the perfectly fine Japanese voices. And no Ero. Shit.

>>4958044
Gets shit done? Like what? What have then gotten done in the last 4 years?

How many people are putting even odds on it being Cudder, pissed off that all his translators jumped to TLWiki?

>>4958104
>reverse-DNS'd the poster's IP address (218.219.158.186), and found out that the IP resolved to minori.ph.
I don't think Cudder is capable of such internet wizardly, but I wouldn't put it beyond him if he were magic.

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>>4958052
>the eden* project's email itself has recieved a more professional and official-looking takedown message.
I will never understand why people react to C&Ds almost instantly, I'd leave it up just to see if they can pull an overseas C&D, which they can't so yeah.

Also, none of their games have a disclaimer along the lines of "Don't translate into any other language.". You know, translating isn't illegal even if Minori wishes it to be.

So are they gonna continue the project or drop the project due to respecting the original author requests?

>>4958117
>I will never understand why people react to C&Ds almost instantly, I'd leave it up just to see if they can pull an overseas C&D, which they can't so yeah.
It's called respecting the author's wish. How would you feel if you made a glorious visual novel only to have some baka gaijin piss all over it, removing any power you have over your own work?

Didn't understand the image and left for an hour then 200+ posts. What's going on?

You can't get in trouble for translating shit, only for distributing it.

The proliferation of dumbasses in this thread has decreased my respect for /jp/ a lot. Really a lot.

Hold on, thread is far too l;dr.

What the hell is going on?

>>4958131
Feels great man, free promotion.

>>4958140
nippon company is all like 'fuk you it not ethical to play game in western world because it has no rating fuk you'. Originally they just told them to cut the shit out, but then someone trolled minori by reverting the edited page and sending them hatemail, so now minori are all butthurt.

>>4958131

People pirate stuff on the internet. Either you play it cool like ZUN, Nasu and R07, turn it on your favor like Nitroplus or use 1900's scare tactics like minori.

>>4958158
But the Nips are afraid of us Westerners playing their obscure and explicit mosaic-censored games.

>You know, translating isn't illegal even if Minori wishes it to be.
Er, without permission, yes it is. Copyright includes the right to translations.

>>4958129
We'll all be finding that out later, I guess.

>>4958131
For me (and only me; don't generalize all VN TL staff with this), it's moreso an untold agreement akin to one of fansubbers and anime studios: if the creator within reason declines to complain, we continue. Project progress takes a role in whether to comply with the author's requests or not.

>>4958157
1. Read http://novelnews.net/2010/04/23/eden-edit-war-with-minori/
2. To clarify the TLWiki administration's position, read >>4957997

>>4958183
I doubt that very, very, very highly. Maybe distribution of said translation, sure. Translating itself is obviously not illegal at all.

>>4958052
Leave things like they are.

Just comply with Minori and move on. It's better for both sides.

>>4958191
Can't they just appreciate people translating it? Holy fuck, if someone translated my runes visual novel without being told, I'd be happy that people like it so much instead of getting all mad for no fucking reason.

>>4958191
I was talking about distribution, of course. The law is pretty clear on it.

>>4958183
If you don't distribute the translated text in order to gain profit from it, there's absolutely nothing against it. Your argument is flawed.

>>4958217
>If you don't distribute the translated text in order to gain profit from it, there's absolutely nothing against it. Your argument is flawed.
I agree with this.

>>4958197
>Just comply with Minori and move on. It's better for both sides.

I don't think anyone really cares about Minori, as they made it quite clear they don't give a shit about selling their stuff to us.

>>4958209

minori is still butthurt over the Rapelay drama last year.

>>4958217

You always must have permission.

>>4958209
You can't really blame them after the whole rapelay fiasco. How would you feel if your favourite culture/hobby got scrutinize or told to stop from outsiders (they got hold it due to translation) ?

>>4958226

You don't need permission to translate anything, since it's a mental process and not a product. The distribution of translated material is a violation, not the translation itself.

>>4958217
>>4958220
Y'know, I'm kinda curious about this. Once you translate the text, can you really even say it's their work being distributed? That's like saying I'm violating someone's copyright if I draw their painting and then give it to my friend. It's not an exact copy, so would that still be illegal?

>>4958223
>>4958233
I suppose.

>>4958237

What about editing?

>>4958239

A translation is by definition a derivative work. You need permission from the original author to make your translation available, even though the translation is copyrighted to you.

Holy shit, does this mean we're not getting Ef?

In before, 'as if we were getting it anyway'.

oh shit nigger you fucks made me read through this thread again

>>4958226
>You always must have permission.
Since it's a mental process just being written down, it falls into a category of the freedom of expression. There is no law on this, yet.

>>4958223

http://equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_3302_en.html

http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/trtdocs_wo001.html#P138_25087

The United States and Japan are both signatories.

>>4958255
Nothing of value was lost.

>>4958263

“Women are stupid creatures who don’t know how to do anything other than cook us dinner. This just proves their stupidity; they need to realize that the word ‘equality’ was a word created by men for men, and was never meant to be used by, referred to, or given to women.” (Online game blogger responding to Equality Now’s Women’s Action against rape simulator games in Japan)

>>4958277
Rofl 4chan at it's best

>>4958237

>don't need permission [...] since it's a mental process and not a product

Actually, I'm sure US lawmakers and the likes of DMCA worldwide would like to disagree. Elsewhere. maybe they could even invoke their "moral rights", somehow (how dare you sully our works by translating it into the inferior language?).

One thing for sure, there's no such thing as "always" whenever copyright law is involved.

>>4958277
That shitty website has sample emails to send to Japanese officals, and they're not even written in Japanese. Stupid women can't even get a translator.

>>4958255
If NNL has actually finished it, we'll see a release. They hate minori too much to do otherwise.

>>4958277

>Online game blogger

Has never met a female in his life, I bet

>>4958298

You can, the issue is still making it available or not .... they cannot go after you because you are simply translating something if you are not making it public.

>>4958263

http://equalitynow.org/english/pressroom/press_releases/japan_20090923_en.html

This follows wide public debate including about computer games produced in Japan such as RapeLay in which players simulate the rape and sexual abuse of women and girls. Equality Now launched a global campaign in May 2009 targeting corporations involved in the production and sale of such games, known as hentai, as well as the then ruling party of Japan. Post-elections, Equality Now’s campaign will continue to pressure the corporations as well as urging the new DPJ administration to comply with its international obligations.

Derp.

>>4958298

I'm not english native. I'm translating your post into something I can understand mentally right now.

By translation that law means translated product, not the process. You can't copyright processes.

>>4958317
LETS SEND EMAILS TO THE WOMEN EPIC WIN /b/!

>>4958311
says the neet

>>4958317
>known as hentai
>hentai

>>4958314
And thus, BitTorrent and P2P were invented.

It seems like trolling women is 100% effective.

>>4958339
Of course. Women are stupid.

God damn I hate women.

Amazing.

NNL should throw the EF translation on Perfect Dark or Share.

>>4958104
>>4958109
Haha, no. Even though the timing seems so right, TLwiki has gotten shit like this before. Think about it: It's basically a huge sitting target that proclaims "WE TRANSLATE VNs!"

But the real question is, how on earth did minori find the translation?

>>4958385
Denying it makes you look more suspicious.

http://yestofreedom.org

The only counter-campaign site I know of, in the western world.

>>4958314

Sadly, modern laws are fucked up enough that this isn't the case anymore. DMCA is a perfect example of that - simply having the tools for a copyright infringement (like, say, deCSS) is already grounds for being liable.

IANAL, so I really have no idea how this applies to translations (but I can see some asshole trying to argue that you wouldn't translate a VN just to read it yourself, for example).

I'm just pointing out that this is a FAR more complicated subject than most people think.

>>4958298
Moral rights? Sure, in their own country. As long as the author didn't put a disclaimer that disapproves of translating his text into any other language even if not being distributed commercially, it's completely legal, in Germany. The courts will laugh if they see a case like this.

>>4958387
Cudder ratted
heh

>>4958385

Did you get any minori mails yet?

>>4958387
>It's basically a huge sitting target that proclaims "WE TRANSLATE VNs!"

I'm not well-versed in legal stuff, but hypothetically speaking, say minori does take legal action against fan translators and takes this to court; they can argue that the fan translations of their games harms their potential for profits.

A legit foreign company wishing to buy the rights to minori's games would be less likely to if there's free fan translations floating out there.

Of course, seeing how xenophobic minori is, I doubt they'd sell the rights to their games to anyone. It'd be that, or they'd be charging exorbitant prices for them.

>>4958483

Maybe but how the fuck are you going to do with when most of the accused are located outside the court jurisdiction?

As much as the capitalist pigs would love to make copyright infringement and the like the same as genocide, law enforcement have better things to do that deal with this crap so nobody will give much of a shit being low priority and all.

Also its a tough sell to make, the judge could simply say "bad! dont do that" and the lawyer is going to shown then the bill as the poorfags are unlikely unable to pay so in the end they are footing the court bill so what is point? chances are they lose money in doing so.

That is why THIS IS STUPID! in fact someone could point out the large doujin market that exists that sure as hell does not go look for licensing when doing "Kasumi is raped by Futa Ayane" that would make a interesting snowball effect that would not want.

>>4958483
They can't take shit to court. They don't have the money for international lawsuits.

>>4958531
Yeah, excuse my wording. I meant to say the site owners hosting the fan translation project.

>>4958549
I thought that too, hence the "hypothetically speaking" part.

You are all utterly retarded. Do you not realize that saying "all japanese people are racist" is in fact a racist statement? And don't say that's just trolling, you people are all over that sentiment.

Minori just wants to avoid offending Western audiences with the "weird/offensive shit" (to most Westerners' eyes) that is found in VNs, especially eroge, all for the purpose of improving the perception of the VN industry outside of the US. There's nothing wrong with that. Sure, they don't know how to use the internet (lol blanking pages and replacing them with C&Ds), but this hatefest needs to stop.

Also, stop feeling "entitled" to your VN translations. The creators made them, and they have moral as well as legal rights to their own creations. They are perfectly well within their rights to sue anyone who acts unaccordingly.

>>4959204
You're retarded.

Im not going to explain why.

>>4959227
he has a point. You're not going to explain because you're speechless; he's right and there's not much you can really say against that

>>4959204
>Do you not realize that saying "all japanese people are racist" is in fact a racist statement?
So what? Truth is racist sometimes, deal with it.

>>4959204
>all for the purpose of improving the perception of the VN industry outside of the US

I agree with most of what you said, except this. It seems more like they simply want to close the lid because they're scared and angry about the prospect of regulations. Nothing they've done has shown any care towards anyone outside Japan.

>>4959204

Common sense and intelligent, balanced answers aren't welcome in /jp/ or 2ch. Get out.

>>4959247
>implynig im going to explain how a retarded kid is retarded

i just did it /jp/.
i tried.

>You are all utterly retarded. Do you not realize that saying "all japanese people are racist" is in fact a racist statement?
no one ever said that

> And don't say that's just trolling, you people are all over that sentiment.
read above

>Minori just wants to avoid offending Western audiences with the "weird/offensive shit" (to most Westerners' eyes)
no. they don't want anybody else outside japan and is not japanese to have any business with them (hint : none of their games are even remotely offensive)

>that is found in VNs, especially eroge, all for the purpose of improving the perception of the VN industry outside of the US.
you have 10 seconds to name one thing they did to improve perception of the vn industry

>>4959330
>bang cock

>>4959330
You fell for his bait hook, line, and sinker.
I don't even have to imply it.

Idiot.

the matter is resolved for both sides.
now GTFO.

>>4959339
>>4959347
go away.

>>4959359
by what?
all i see if that the eden page is deleted and pussies being pussies

Its hilarious that with all their xenophobia, they are using a non-japanese tld for their official site.

New thread

>>4959485

>>4959290
Isn't that the same thing? "Improve the perception" can include "reduce the perception", if the perception is all negative, which certainly seems to be the case to minori. I mean, when you get fan mail from random online gaijin, and hate mail from iNtErNaTiOnAl OrGaNiZaTiOnS of gaijin, which one are you going to believe?

>>4959330
>no one ever said that
yes they did

>read above
read above

>no. they don't want anybody else outside japan and is not japanese to have any business with them (hint : none of their games are even remotely offensive)
occam's razor. who doesn't want to make more money? someone who believes that money will come along with something that more than offsets the value of that money, into the negative. "omg our beautiful game is being played by filthy foreigners" doesn't cut it as such a something.

>you have 10 seconds to name one thing they did to improve perception of the vn industry
they sent me roses... i <3 the vn industry now...

>>4959400
>all i see
That's what you meant to see. They just going to pretend that the translation is discontinued, and release it anonymously when it's done.
That is when that animusubber guy will actually bother to translate again.

Does this mean the Eden translation is canceled, or are they just taking the page down for now?

Well, not that I really cared that much about Eden either way, but pretty shitty if they canceled the entire project just over that. Though we could always just wait for everyone's favorite translation group, NNL, to pick it up, even if they do.

>>4959687
Can't you read the post before yours?

>>4954336
okay you lost me with the made-up bullshit about "feminism."

w + hat.

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Fuck minori. Enjoy all the ragepirating of your games that will happen now.

Anyone else play the Eden Supah Preview? Protag gets a mission to kill a gaijin military dude. Nice, guys.

>>4958252

As it requires the game to work, no, not really.

Holy shit, people here are really so retarded as to argue that a translation is not a copyright infringement? Really?

>>4960496
Eh, it depends, really. If you translated a book, for example, and distributed your translation, I think not many would argue that this isn't a copyright infringement. However, in this case, the translation doesn't really do anything by itself, and you still need to (theoretically) purchase minori's product in order for it to function. Thus, I'd say it's a little closer to someone making a mod for a game or something.

>>4960666
You realize there have been numerous cases of websites with movie subtitles being shut down in the past.

>>4960674
Actually, I didn't. Was it actually brought to court, or did they just close up themselves as soon as they received a complaint?

>>4960710
It depends
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/05/17/police-raid-polish-subtitle-site/

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2003/02/04/finnish_subtitle_site_was_forced_to_close

http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/03/02/fan-generated-movie-subtitle-sites-targeted-studios

>>4958163
>People pirate stuff on the internet. Either you play it cool like ZUN,

What does ZUN actually say about people downloading his stuff?

>>4958117
Facepalm. Gaijin stealing, stop stealing from Japan.