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6011388 No.6011388 [Reply] [Original]

Concept and base setting was a complete hack job of Leaf's work, Kizuato.

Guy arrives to a (japanese) mansion full of women? Bizarre dreams? Strange, violent deaths? Demonic blood?

It's all there baby. Nasu is a copycat.

>> No.6011397

Does it have powerlevels?

If not, lol

>> No.6011396

Holy shit stop the presses!

>> No.6011401

Well, I guess he must've done something right where they fucked up then, too bad.
Just because you had that oh so innovative idea first doesn't mean you did a good job.

>> No.6011427

>>6011401
Don't get me wrong. Kizuato was, and is, popular enough, for an eroge. Enough to warrant at least 2 remakes and a manga (last I heard). Kizuato surpassed Tsukihime in graphics, music and plot. Yet, for some reason, TH was glorified due to its bad art and repetitive music.

>>6011397
Sorry Arc. Leaf actaully has decent writers. No powerlevels, no psuedo-philosophy.

>> No.6011431

>>6011401
Bombed so hard it got two remakes

>> No.6011438
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>>6011388

Oh my! Call the cops immediately!

>> No.6011443

>Leaf
Isn't that the company that almost got bankrupt?

>> No.6011445

Not translated, who gives a fuck

>> No.6011454

WHAT VN'S ARENT ORIGINAL? THATS IT! IM DONE BEING A WEEABOO

>> No.6011474
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Superior Leaf game.

>> No.6011484 [SPOILER] 
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Naive main character type gets accidentally thrust into a tournament where the prize is a wish. Battle involves contract with a powerful being to help aid in the fight.

>> No.6011487

>>6011388
This is new and exciting, OP!

No, seriously, you're bordering on Kotaku here.

>> No.6011523

>>6011388
Yes focus only on the superficial similarities instead of the nuance of the works

>> No.6011535
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6011535

riveting tale OP

>> No.6011569

>>6011523
That's exactly the point. The entire thing is a rip off.

>> No.6011572

>Same premise as Tsukihime
>None of Nasu's BS writing
Where can I find this thing

>> No.6012080

>>6011569
Uh-huh.

So each character is exactly the same.

>> No.6012116

You forget Tsukihime was doujin soft, and as such, pretty much the equivalent of fanfiction.
I think he admitted himself what he was influenced by, and I don't think japanese players are not aware of this. It's just people found out Tsukihime as their first translated novel that think it's 100% original do not steal.
It's perfectly fine. Try harder.

>> No.6012291

>>6012116
> You forget Tsukihime was doujin soft, and as such, pretty much the equivalent of fanfiction.

No, it's the equivalent of an amateur work.

Which it was, a highly sucessful one that let them become professionals, but amatur none the less.

Also, Tsukihime's themes, which tie into the themes of Nasu's writings as a whole, had already started to be built up in his previous writings. Unless you're going to call Kara no Kyoukai a ripoff of anything,.

>> No.6012302

Nasu copies things. It's his style.

Fate is copypasta from myths and legends.

>> No.6012368

Nasu's style is my favorite VN writer, the most interesting. That or Takajun translates really well, but I loved FSN and tsukihime.

Nitro+ games being a close 2nd. People say that the cross+channel writer is awesome, that was the most boring "lets act smart in a vn lol" shit i've ever read, fuck that game.

>> No.6012376

>>6012368
Congratulations, you're the nerd equivalent of a Twilight fan.

>> No.6012408

>>6012368
>Nitro+ games being a close 2nd.
You do know that they have many different writers, right?

>> No.6012513

>>6012408
Well, not to defend him or anything, but the only Nitro+ stuff are the Urobuchi written games (not counting 5pb).

>> No.6012520

>>6012513
Surely you mean "the only translated Nitroplus stuff"?

>> No.6012557

>>6012520
Oh lol, yes, I meant to write "translated" of course, but for some reason forgot. My apologies.

>> No.6012622
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6012622

Never shall this be translated.

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>>6012622
http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=Kizuato

15%

>> No.6015998

>>6015972
It has a loli? This game is automatically superior.

>> No.6016039

>>6015998
2 lolis, in fact. Kaede and Hatsune are rather young. Chizuro and Azusa are the oldest.

>> No.6016072

Everything is a copy of everything else.

I eagerly await a caveman's filing of intellectual copyright violation on everything in existence.

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>>6011388
Yeah, Nasu is a hack.

Nero? I liked him better when he was called Shinichi.

Majusensen (魔獣戦線). Look it up. It stars a trench coat wearing badass with various familiars in his body and his powers are identical to Nero's. Circa 1981.

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>>6016072
I was going to refute what you said...

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>>6016123
But then I realized you are correct.

>> No.6016139

trash talkers.....if tsukihime is so crap, then why is nasu rich and you guys posting on 4chan?

No single human is original, just built/expanded upon the existing knowledge/foundation/etc.

Fact that nasu was successful means it's original ENOUGH.

Kizuato didn't have MEoDP got that from kara no kyokai


NO FAG DON'T MENTION KNK BEING FROM _____. IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE FIRST EITHER STFU.

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>>6011388
Kizuato doesn't have MOLLUSKS AND CLAMS!

>> No.6016156

>>6016104
Not voiced by Jouji Nakata. A pointless comparison.

>>6016139
Hello, fake supporter-kun.

>> No.6016161

>>6016139
Because shounen and powerlevels. Kids love powerlevels. See FSN.

>> No.6016172

A high school student--hmm, what was his name?--acquires a special power and immediately decides to use it to reshape the world to be a better place. However, he has to keep this power secret from those at school and around him and pretend to lead an ordinary teenage life. He also goes to great lengths to try to learn the exact rules and limitations that govern the power by testing it on various people in creative ways. With the power comes a bizarre "friend" who follows him around and has a penchant for a particular type of food.

In the meantime, he has to deal with another person who has acquired a similar power. Additionally, he has many enemies who are on his case from nearly the beginning, trying to track him down despite not knowing what his power is or how it works. Over time, he becomes a wildly popular, albeit controversial figure, despite nobody knowing his real identity. Soon, the protagonist's primary rival emerges--who, despite not knowing his real identity, meets with him many times in an everyday setting.

>> No.6016175

>>6016156
That's a really bad counter argument. You cannot refute his argument with that.

>> No.6016177

>>6016156
Go away tripfaggot.

>> No.6016192

>>6016175
There wasn't an argument to refute, because that would imply he's intelligent enough to formulate one.

Still, not voiced by Jouji Nakata, so it's still broken.

>>6016177
No, you.

>> No.6016204

>>6016192
Go away, tripfaggot.

You will respond. I win.

>> No.6016211

>>6016156
retard

>>6016161
You could enjoy most of nasu's stuff WITHOUT power levels. You don't read VN's to discuss power lvls

>> No.6016231

>>6016204
No, you.

you or anyone else tells him or me to go away or anything negative and I win

>> No.6016238

>>6016231
I already won. Couldn't resist the bait, hm? Better luck next time.

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>>6016211
>You don't read VN's to discuss power lvls

/jp/, Beast's Lair and nearly every forum I have seen discussing Typemoon's games eventually derail to powerlevels.

Sad but true.

>> No.6016258

>>6016172
>A high school student--hmm, what was his name?--acquires a special power and immediately decides to use it to reshape the world to be a better place.

No, he decides that it's pretty frightening and decides never to use it.

>However, he has to keep this power secret from those at school and around him and pretend to lead an ordinary teenage life.

He doesn't really have to keep it a secret, and the only thing he tries to hide is the fact that he could probably drop dead at any moment.

>He also goes to great lengths to try to learn the exact rules and limitations that govern the power by testing it on various people in creative ways.

He never tests it on a living thing, and it has no real guidelines to discover.

>With the power comes a bizarre "friend" who follows him around and has a penchant for a particular type of food.

???

>In the meantime, he has to deal with another person who has acquired a similar power.

Except not.

>Additionally, he has many enemies who are on his case from nearly the beginning, trying to track him down despite not knowing what his power is or how it works.

Pretty much anyone that could be considered an enemy (with the exception of Akiha) doesn't consider him a tangible threat at all until it's far too late, and the only reason he's tracked at all is as a secondary concern to finding Arcueid.

>> No.6016271

>>6016258
>Over time, he becomes a wildly popular, albeit controversial figure, despite nobody knowing his real identity.

He's not popular. Only one normal person considers him a friend. Everyone else feels like they're in the presence of death around him. Not a popular trait in Japanese society.

>Soon, the protagonist's primary rival emerges--who, despite not knowing his real identity, meets with him many times in an everyday setting.

Roa knows who he is the whole time, and SHIKI is just fucking insane. If you consider Akiha a rival, she knows who he is and the practical application of his skills since the beginning. She, above all people, knows what the Nanaya clan did.

That was fun.

>> No.6016287

recommend me a VN that's not set in a high school,post apocalyptic,mecha-influenced,riddled-with pseudo philosophy with an incompetent and boring looking goshujin.

>> No.6016306

>>6016287
Your Life: The Visual Novel.

>> No.6016349
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Tsukihime vs Kizuato

http://3rd.geocities.jp/tukaiaomori/comic/tvsk1.html

It's a draw. Both have their merits.

And here is a comparison of the art between the three versions.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7480039

>> No.6016361

>>6016306
But i look boring

>> No.6016362

>>6016287
Sekai de Ichiban Dame na Koi

>> No.6016366

This thread
>Tsukihime took quite a few ideas from kizuato
>hurrr durrr nothing's original
are you even trying?

>> No.6016375

>>6016366
I would ask the same question of you, but I know you're not.

>> No.6016378

>>6016258

Idiot, that was Death Note and Geass, not Tsukihime.

>> No.6016384

>>6016287
Flutter of Birds.

Prepare for crushing misery.

>> No.6016389
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Second part.

http://3rd.geocities.jp/tukaiaomori/comic/tvsk2.html

>> No.6016507

>>6016378
Because it was obvious you were talking about Death Note and/or Code Geass in a Tsukihime thread.

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