/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I can't speak Japanese, so obviously the latter.

I don't really ever re-read VNs, so not I.

>>6151223

Thats not much of a problem. Since you do have an idea of what they are saying thanks to the english translation.

>>6151228
Wait what, the PS3 version also has an English trasnlation?

>>6151229

No. I meant the English translation of the PC version. Witch hunt said that there not doing a english patch for this PS3 version.

Probably, if i bother to buy PS3 at some point.

I believe the PS3 sprites are superior to the original sprites. I don't know what you guy's problem with them just because it doesn't capture the expressions perfectly. But you have to be smoking some sweet sweet crack if you think the original sprites are better drawn the the original sprites

>>6151317
The miracle of Fusion is the superior sprite.

>>6151329
It's... It's... PAAAFEKUTO!

>>6151317
When it comes to better drawn... I'd say 95% of the time, the console sprites are superior. However, the faces are hit and miss (i.e. oh god Beato what did they do to you and your trollface).

However, we like the original sprites because while R07 still cannot draw bodies worth a damn (although he is improving), his faces really add to the mood of the scene and that's what matters, even if Umineko is supposed to be a sound novel.

>>6151360
the faces are expressive but they are ugly. you're brainwashed.

I'm going to buy it, even though I can't read it. I'll also rip it and put it on BitGamer, for any other Seacat friends.

Battler's hands are still in his pokets while crying! what the fuck? Seriously why? they give different poses to the stakes, kanon but not Battler? (other than his objection pose)

>>6151370
That face looks fucking awful. Sure is retarded comical eyes. My only gripe with the new sprites.

Console sprites are better drawn overall, but they still look mediocre. Would be fine for a PSP game, but I'd expect a better artist for a PS3 game.

>>6151390

Face it. It's hard to perfectly capture Beato's troll expressions when you're trying to draw them in a more "realistic"/anime/better format. It works on Ryu's style but not in this one.

>>6151366
Thank you good sir.

>>6151370
It's DEEN all over again with those damn faces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq4L5dARluk

Part of the TGS trailer.

I'm going to buy it myself. Already got my pre-order down at NCSX!

>>6151420

Maria looks fairly normal in this shot. Although not so happy with her eyes.

>>6151428
What? She looks high as a kite.

>>6151423

Holy shit! those animations look fantastic! especially for the VirgiliavsBeato fight!

>>6151432

Hey it's better than this at least. She looks like a gremlin in this pic.

>>6151423
Holy fucking shit!

>>6151428

It looks so generic.

>>6151423
That's awesome. God, WHY it's only on PS3. WHY, WHY? ;_;

I'd rather the PSP

>>6151465

They could make a PC port right?, right?....right? ;_;

Maybe? I dunno.

>>6151448
>It looks so great

Fix'd for you.

Yeah, I will buy and play this.

>>6151370
I dunno, maybe he has different levels of crying?
The official sprites were the same way.
Eyes/mouth open/closed pocket/point eyebrow up/down

>>6151496

I know all the original sprites are the same. But these are suppose to be improved redrawn sprites for the port. Can't they give him a different pose when he's crying? Beato has defferent poses , jessica aswell, so does kanon and the stakes why not Battler?

I'll buy it if it gets released in English, but that will never happen so....

fucking weeaboos move out of your parents basement LOL

>>6151503
I meant he might have different poses for different levels of crying.
Look at the official sprites and notice how many of Battler's are crying. There are all sorts of combinations of head tilts and pointing or not pointing.

PS3 version could have
Fists up.
Ripping out hair.
Single fist up.
Head down.
Head up with mouth agape.
Etc.

>>6151510
>LOL

Oh look a faggot

>>6151503
Battler crying with hand in pocket is a status symbol!

>>6151517

I Guess you have a point. Let's hope this is the case.

>>6151510

I'm actually considering buying a PS3 for this (and well, the other ten or so games I've wanted to play for some time). Animations look great, the voices are great and the music we'll get to keep the original music. The art could've been better, but eh, I'll get over it.

>>6151365
Never said they were the best, only that they were expressive. This can be both a good and bad thing.

>>6151584
>The art could've been better, but eh, I'll get over it.

This is pretty much how i felt when I first decided to play umineko (PC)

If there really is a sprite & CG patch then it may help convince some of my friends to play umineko. since they find the art atrocious

>>6151599

It's good because it perfectly shows what they are feeling (obviously) while not looking over the top.

It's bad because its practically impossible to adapt these expressions in something other than ryu's art style.

MAYBE HE HAS SOME IMPORTANT SHIT IN HIS POCKETS

YOU KNOW, LIKE POCKET-SIZED BOMBS

>>6151420
Well, except it's not designed by DEEN, but the person who makes the portraits

I did this for Clannad 360 because I thought I was missing out on something amazing, turns out it's just the same thing but in 720p. Umineko is hard enough to understand in English, without trying to play it in Japanese.

Although I managed to get Clannad for like, 3200 yen. Paying 7000 plus for something I can't understand is just out of the question. It's not the same as buying a shmup or accessible import.

Shame this will never ever be released in the West. Ever. Fuck you Manga Gamer and JAST you useless faggots. Translating only crappy nukige. I guess I can always dream...

>>6151641

Then again. With this PS3 version you're not just going to get HD graphics. But improved sprites and background, CG, 70 hours worth of voices from the same amazing VA of the anime (the only good thing about the anime) and great animation.

>>6151641
Well, it won't be the same at all. From what we've seen so far, there's all these animations, CGs and different placement of the text, at the bottom, rather than all over the screen. Looks like a vast improvement from what I've saw, nothing like just a port to 720, which is good. It's 1080, actually from what I've saw as well. I bet the CG will be fucking delicious.

>>6151651
Bah it's just Umineko.
Funny how different the threads here and the threads in Futaba are, in Futaba they were joking and wondering about how much this adaptation would bomb.

>>6151645

If mangagamer took this I bet they'll have to replace the music (due to not being able to get licence) and will do an english dub for the voices. that alone would destroy the PS3 game's enjoyment

>>6151656
I'm sure hoping. That it won't bomb. I would buy it were I Japanese, just because it's so amazingly polished by visual novel standards. I know there's stuff that has '3D' visuals, but I don't really think it can top a good ol' 50 hour+ quality VN like Umineko.
>>6151658
Oh. I never thought of that. I was wondering why MangaGamer removed music on Higurashi. But yeah, that would totally fucking blow.

PS3 looks better.

>>6151656
This game looks more promising for us since most of us won't ever buy it, either because we don't have PS3, because importing is expensive, because we don't speak Jap or whatever. It looks like something unreachable and thus interesting and good.

>>6151662
There are plenty of great long VNs with awesome special effect.

>>6151662
But some people think it's too expensive, which is a shame. If you look at it at a different angle, it's actually pretty cheap. Think about it, an average drama CD with maybe 1-2 hours of content costs like 500-1000 yen

This PS3 game is not much different from a drama CD, we would be getting 70 hours of full voice acting all for 8000 yen. But of course people won't think this way, everyone will just compare it with a popular PS3 game that wouldn't cost more than 7000 yen.

>>6151676

Well I don;t know about others but I will buy this and experience just how awesome it will be to reread umineko but with better graphics, animation voices etc,etc

gonna wait for the sprite patch. i always wanted to play umineko but the gfx were too horrible for me.

>>6151694

Seriously? thats pretty weak. You'll get use to the bad art after a while. It only took me half of EP1 to get used to the artwork

sup gais check out ma dubz

>>6151748
fail

>>6151222

>>6151748
>>6151788

Where are you getting this pics? also from what event is this from?

>>6151788
ALL ABOARD THE UMINEKO BUS

sample of FULL VOICE ACTING
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA3NDI1NTg4.html

>>6151801
news sources on Alchemist's booth

>>6151801
As the video >>6151423 title suggests:
TGS 東京ゲームショー (TGS Tokyo game show)

Also the guy piling up gold:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEP1LuXzWrk

GENTLEMEN.

>>6151811
or if you want nico link
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12148264

likewise youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq4L5dARluk

Oh I didn't notice it before, but their mouths move when they speak

The emotionless, generic, DEEN-looking designs can eat a dick. Battler, Jessica, Kanon, and Shanon all look too old. Rosa, despite being the youngest sibling, looks too young. I also refuse to acknowledge anything other than a fat George.

I didn't hate Umineko's voice acting, so I *might* download a voice patch.

>>6151788
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8iaD5RSYo4
Could they have dyed their hair or something?

>>6151843
This.
Also, eye colors.

Could someone help me confirm this?
in 2:32 of the sample videos, does it say Beatrice has over 500 different expressions?!

Holy shit, that's more than than the amount of R07's Beato sprites, which is 426, and that includes ep5&6 sprites!

while on the subject of special effects in VNs, Chaos;Head had amazing special events for a visual novel. Umineko for is for the PS3 and it doesnt look as flashy as chaos;head..

>>6151955
i cant believe Beatrice had that many expressions. while reading Umineko I never even noticed, i always thought around 10 or 15. but 400+ plus?! what the fuck.

>>6151963
There's...
Beato in dress
long hair Beato in dress
Beato in skirt
long hair Beato in skirt

Heck, we might even see loli Beato in this

so, do you think this will be like higurashi and have a single branching storyline? if so, how are they going to incorporate it into umineko?

atleast in higurashi it was a bit easier with one thing leading to many other things (eg keichii doesnt give doll to mion, shion goes crazy ect.)

ALCHEMIST! YOU HAD BETTER HAVE DONE SOMETHING USEFUL LIKE PLACING THOSE DELICIOUS TIPS IN THERE!

V-DAY STAKES TIP WITH VOICES! DO WANT!

>>6151979
What?

This is a port from the original VN.

>>6152049
You will have to buy anime dvds to get those

>>6152062
>buy
>anime

>>6151788
... shouldn't their hair be the thing that differentiates them the most?

>>6152058
yes, Higurashi Matsuri is a port of Higurashi for the ps2, but instead of like the PC version where its one arc after another, they made it a single branching storyline. They put in choices into the story so it branched off into routes. once you cleared all routes you unlocked Kai's routes.

>>6151806
SEAT BELTS, EVERYONE!

>NACK

>>6152119

>NACK

>>6151963
In the original ep1-4 there are 52 dress Beato sprites and 51 suit Beato sprites.
As of ep7, the number of Beato sprites is 437 + 76, if you count original Beatrice, + 76, if you count Clair.
Well, most of them is just Beato with her pipe up or down, and with different hair.

>>6152119
>>6152127

What is wrong with NACK?

>>6152144
No clue.

>>6152075
I don't think that would be possible in Umineko

>>6152127
>>6152124
Stop fucking samefagging you idiot.

>>6152165
Yeah I don't see how it's possible for Umineko, Higurashi's question arcs are in equal grounds, but Umineko has teaparties, and cases leading to red truth, blue truth, Ange showing up etc

>>6152179
Again with this shit? I wish IPs were visible so you could see I'm not samefagging.

I won't buy it, but I might pirate it and read along with the PC version, assuming the text is exactly the same.

>>6152262
You can pirate PS3 games now?

>>6152232
>"again with this shit?"
>not samefagging

>>6152312
?

>>6152312
again as in "accusing me of samefagging again?"

>>6152127
>Post this
>Everyone starts throwing shit at NACK
feelsgood

Yes.
I heard something about Sony having patched the PS3 in a way that made it not work.

The modchip itself removes all automatic updates, but if it's already updated then it's supposedly a goner.

It would be great if I am wrong though, any additional info would be great.

>>6152294
Pirate, maybe. Emulate, not for a few more years.

I'm about to download the PC games, and I just want to confirm I have the correct order of looking for them.

Legend
Turn
Banquet
Alliance
End
Dawn
Requiem

Are those each of the games in the right order?

>>6152393
Yes they are the right order.

But look for alliance and requiem
Alliance contains ep1-4
Requiem contains ep5-7

>>6152393

You only have to download Alliance and Requiem. The first three will come with Alliance, and the 5th and 6th will come with Requiem.

>>6152393
>Banquet
>Alliance
>Turn
>Legend
>End
>Requiem

>B
>A
>T
>L
>E
>R

>>6152415
Seems more intentional than Eva-Ange-Leon.

>>6152294
Yes, as long as your firmware is 3.41 or lower.
>>6152361
If you're on firmware 3.42 you can't do it. The scene is working on getting the hack to work on it, but as of now you're out of luck.

>>6151811
>>6151831
...I am disappoint, Alchemist.

>>6152411
>>6152408
Alright, thanks guys.

On I go!

>>6152432
why?

Beato herself has 63 facial expressions. With that alone I don't think any character matches her. Then you multiply that number of expressions by the number of Beato bodies there are.

>>6152415

Even if EP8 begins with a T, you'd get "BATTLER'D". Or D[emon?]-BATTLER. or BAD TERTL. TURTLES DID ROKKENJIMA

>>6152444
and PS3 has 500 Beato expressions lol

>>6152456
500 facial expressions, I doubt it. There would be no room for them, because they basically just replace R07's sprite with their version of it. It's just over 500 sprites when you combine all the expressions with all the possible bodies.

>>6152454
YOU JUST GOT BATTLER'D. BATTLER IS THE CULPRIT!

>>6152454
Episode 8: Troll of the Golden Witch.

>>6152481
OW MY PROMISE!

>>6152441
That voice acting isn't full at all.

>>6152508
Yes it is, only narrator is not voiced

>>6152508
What? They are all voiced.

>>6152508
Yes it is.

>>6152508
Did you want the narrator to be Wakamoto or something?

>>6152513
>>6152514
The characters are all voiced. But they don't say all their lines.

>>6152537
Yes they did, the video just cuts towards the end of their lines

>>6152521
Wakamoto should be the voice of the goat in EP4.

>>6152465
It says at the bottom

>>6152543
And how do you know that? What if everyone just says a small amount of their line when they appear?

I'll buy it and play it. I only know tibids of nipchong scribble, but thats nothing for reference at my side cant fix.

Did the same with Saga Fronteir before I knew English.

>>6152547
The katakana word is "pose". So unless I'm missing something, a pose isn't just with the face. It means with all body combinations and facial expressions, she has over 500. Which isn't very new or exciting, but they make it sound like it is.

>>6152552
Most of the lines they are saying aren't even important lines

>>6152570
What they say is important out of what else they say in the line.

>>6152565
And R07 Beato sprites has 426, which includes the comatose, long hair, moetrice sprites

>>6152586
Stop being stupid, it's full voiced, no one is going to hire VAs only to say one portion of their lines

>>6152618
I'll believe it when I see proof. Until then I'll go under the assumption that they only voice about a third of their lines. So I won't be let down when that's the case.

>>6152611
Okay, so they do have a bit more than R07. It's still not very impressive. Make one new pose, paste 63 expressions onto it, call it 63 poses. Maybe they're also counting the mouth flapping as extra poses. Cheap.

So is this ONLY 1-4 for ~$80?

Seems a bit much if its so. I'd have no problem paying ~$100 if it was all of it. Considering it would add up to move taking import costs into consideration.

>>6152696
Pay now so they even consider making the second part (or maybe a port ;_;). Pirate it later.

>>6152706
I will anyways, I'd even pay double if it had a nendroid in a limited edition pack. I'm a sucker for this stuff. I also have a well paying job so plenty of expendable income.

I'll grab this. Looks too good to just ignore. DEEN's anime is shitty as hell, but I do like their designs, especially for Bern and Lamb.

>>6152696

It's considerably cheaper than buying the 13 anime DVD's.. You can look at it in that perspective.

>>6153128
or like the drama CD perspective
>>6151687

If you think the new sprites are better, you either haven't read Umineko or don't understand Umineko properly, because that is the only explanation I can think of for someone who doesn't weep at the loss of the iconic Beato trollface, or Kinzo's YOU TO face. The CG and the voice patches are fine, but I hope Daisuke Ono does a better job this time.

>>6153205
I think he did a fine job on the drama CDs. The voice director was the problem with the anime.

>>6152706
This. I really, really want a Chiru adaptation.

>>6153205
Sprites dont bother me that much. The main draw of Umineko for me was the story and music, the rest was visual aid and imagination on rails so I could properly see the world in my head.

>>6153234
Well in that case a clown Beato isn't a very good visual aid. To understand that you're supposed to hate her, then love her, then love to hate her, then love her again, you need that charming trollface.

I will

I would pay $200 for this. Better than any other shit I would buy, like some stupid console.

Hello /jp/, there was a visual novel thread on /v/ last night, very informative and interesting. I ended up downloading a torrent of Umineko parts 1-4 and a witch-hunt patch. I've never installed a Japanese game before and I've run into some trouble.
The completed torrent was a folder with 15 RAR files inside, each labeled 1-15. I installed winrar, then installed east asian languages, then changed non-unicode language to Japanese. After doing all of that I was able to open the 1st rar file, and now I'm up to the screen in the image. I clicked the file that is highlighted and that led to the screen behind it. What do I press?

>>6153284
Shift for focused movement.

>>6153284
Never mind, figured it out.
I'll see if I can get Saya no Uta to run tomorrow.

>>6153205
The new sprites are generally, even greatly better. Deal with it.

>>6153385
Like I said, you haven't played/don't understand Umineko.

Seriously, the original sprites are better, sure, the art is worse, but the new ones kill the whole mood. Also, ONScripter layout>*

>>6153205
Counter-point, Maria.

>>6153407
I have, and I do. I could care less about the loss of a couple of troll faces that you think are more fitting. I quite like some of the new troll faces, and since the sprites aren't eye cancer anymore, they are better.

>>6153429
You don't. Whether you understand Umineko or not is for me to say, not you. Thinking the new sprites are better while having read it is equal to not understanding.

>>6153205
>If you think the new sprites are better, you either haven't read Umineko or don't understand Umineko properly

So you're saying for people to fully understand the story/mystery of Umineko you'll have to like the original sprites more? Give me a fucking break. Sprites do not contribute much to the the story compared to the music. Face it the newer sprites are better drawn it ofcourse doesn't mean you have to like them.

>>6153240
>To understand that you're supposed to hate her, then love her, then love to hate her, then love her again, you need that charming trollface.

If people can't symphatise with her because her sprites aren't adapted "properly" then that's the fault of the writing itself really.

I thought I finally installed everything correctly, the Japanese version works fine, but when I try to start up the english version, I get the following error message, white words on a black background - "You are either missing music files or they are unreadable. This is probably because you installed the game incorrectly."
What do?

New sprites were a bit of a turn-off to me at first but after watching that trailer I must admit I'm quite interested in this, it looks really great.

I find that the new sprites don't fit the characters. Sure the new ones are prettier, but George and Ange need to be plump and Maria needs to look like a retard. Anything else kills my perception of the characters.

>>6153475
>So you're saying for people to fully understand the story/mystery of Umineko you'll have to like the original sprites more?
That's right.
>Sprites do not contribute much to the the story compared to the music.
Play without the sprites then, if they mean so little to you. Don't replace them.
>Face it the newer sprites are better drawn
You should come face to face with the fact that you don't understand Umineko. You're just someone who thinks Umineko will be fine if you change all the designs to generic anime ones with no expression. You just don't get it at all. You need to understand that you Umineko IQ is below 75.
>If people can't sympathize with her because her sprites aren't adapted "properly" then that's the fault of the writing itself really.
No matter how good the writing is, if the way she is drawn is completely unfitting, it will detract.

>>6153491
>but George and Ange need to be plump and Maria needs to look like a retard

How about no.

>>6153491
>Ange need to be plump and Maria needs to look like a retard

Ange was never implied to be fat in the first place thats thanks to ryu's inability to draw bodies and Maria is suppose to look normal.

>>6153498

ITT we learn how retarded the Umineko fags can be.

>>6153507
I can safely disregard your opinion if you say "suppose" when you mean "supposed"

This would be far better for the PSP.
I mean, it's overkill on the PS3 and it's not portable.

>>6153498
>painting yourself as a troll and ham hands fag.
>implying generic because they aren't deformed/unconventional
>implying they're all unfitting
Your trolling...not so good.

>>6153498
I like the original faces, but seriously, it's not that big of a deal. I'm sure Umineko will be enjoyable with the new sprites as well.

>>6153513
Why isn't everything just for the PC already? Consoles are for little boys.

>>6153524
Because piracy.

>>6153498

A good example of a brainwashed purist

I don't really like the new sprites but still It will be a day 1 purchase for me, i've been meaning to replay the first 4 anyway.

>>6153522
I don't mind them much..
Except for that Beato looks like she's suffocating half the time.

>>6153519
No, I say they are generic because the artist clearly has no skill in the way for expression, you would find those kind of expressions everywhere. While R07 has a real talent for it.
>Hurp ham hands ugly art anyone who likes them is a troll
>>6153522
It is a huge deal. It will only be just as enjoyable because of all the other bells and whistles they're adding. If you just patched the sprites into Umineko and that was it, you would be detracting from it. Which is why in an ideal world alchemist would release the game with two modes, a standard mode for all the subhumans who will be reading it on the ps3 for the first time, and a classic mode with all the new features but with the classic sprites.

>>6153524
VNs for PSP are quite popular on Japan, none are translated though. There's Clannad, Chaos;Head, etc for PSP, why not Umineko as well?

>>6153529
Brainwashed by what? Don't just throw that word in there because you think it's cool or helps your argument. Pathetic. I'm sure R07 gives a huge thumbs up to the changed sprites.

>>6153527
I always imagine your arms waving like ～(￣∇￣～) when you post.

>>6153537
>While R07 has a real talent for it.
>art

You should stop already. Even if you somehow think they look generic, they look better and have better designs than the original from an objective point of view.

The only thing I dislike is the generic VN layout, why not the original, like Ookamikakushi.

>>6153570
There's the thing you keep implying, that they are objectively better.

Do you know why you imply that? Because you think there is some objective scale of art, and you put this generic art somewhere in the middle of that. You recognize it from various places, unlike R07's art which you place below because of the ham hands or whatever. You tick off all the boxes for one because the anatomy is better or whatever, disregarding the fact that because they're so rigidly standard and generic, they have no variation of expression and when they try to mimic the classic expressions R07 is easy capable of, they make the characters look like they're struggling for air. Real pro there.

The main purpose of the sprites in the first place is to show you exactly what emotion is being conveyed, which is why the faces are pretty much the only things that change in Umineko. Of course, since you're stupid, you think having the body which remains static throughout the game look a little better will help to better convey this.

This works just the nostalgia phenomenon, any different from the original will just be shit even if it isn't, can't blame someone for that. Anyone supporting the new art really never read/understood/liked Umineko, even though it really is better, that's just things are.

It shouldn't be hard to understand, the original sprites gave the VN a certain feel as they played a big part of it. Changing the sprites to rather typical, modern anime look detracts from the experience for some people.

Objectively speaking neither is better or worse. It is down to you and what you appreciate and for me, I hate the new sprites.

>>6153610
Which is why these sprites only appeal to people who never read/understood/liked Umineko. Maybe they read it once. Definitely didn't read it a second time.

>>6153603
You can't say that they don't look objectively better.

And they don't have variations from expression? They don't convey the expression that they need to convey visually? I don't think you really pay attention to the trailer or the sample shots at all. Your perspective is warped and one-sided, anon. Think whatever you want.

>>6153623
Sure, that's pretty much it.

I hope there's an option to turn the music off, but keep the sound effects.
I really dislike how Umineko forces you to listen to the music, it detracts from the immersion.

>>6153623
>What I want people to believe

You guys should stop with the "people who like the new sprites don't understand Umineko", it's so fucking retarded it blows my mind.
You can say "people who don't hate the new sprites with a passion aren't devoted fans" or something if you want but it has nothing to do with the understanding of the game.

Heck if anything it seems the more devoted the fans are, the less they understand Umineko.

>>6153632
Don't you get it? it doesn't matter if they're actually better, it just not the original.

>Brainwashed by what?

I can kind of relate to that expression. Because in Higurashi I can't stand the art, it is hideous. But since I played Umineko before better graphics, I grew used to it and liked the graphics.

(Sure, I still think the bodies are total failure, but the faces have become quite fitting over time)

Looking at the new art though, I feel like females still look good, but all the men look ugly. But I guess you need a female to judge such things correctly.

Is the sprites and CG patch really possible with this? I doubt it will work.

>>6153648
>Heck if anything it seems the more devoted the fans are, the less they understand Umineko.
No, people who claim stuff like that don't understand Umineko. Maybe they read it and think they understand it the same way they think they understand Hamlet because they grasped some basic themes. You have to read it at least three times before you even come close to understanding.

Umineko with CG?
Heresy!

>>6153644
ok, get the fuck out right now

>>6153667
Well now I can stop taking you seriously, thank.

>>6153687
Why would you take anything seriously here, seriously.

>>6153651
>>6153667
So, simply those who like the new designs and think they're better than the original means they just don't understand Umineko because it's not the original and because you don't think they're fitting?

Well, if you say so.

>>6153687
What? People who just pick it up and "understand" it as if it was some kind of school assignment they needed to "understand" for an essay don't know anything. Specifically, anyone who likes the new sprites doesn't understand the most important character, Beato. They probably couldn't score over 70% accuracy if you gave them a test of new Beato lines written by R07 and Beato lines written by some other writer.

>>6153684
Why?
Every other game I've played let's you turn the music off while keeping the sound effects.
There are a lot of people like me who like to immerse themselves in games, and music often does more harm than good when it comes to immersion.

>>6153652
The older men do look a little weird, especially Genji. Battler and Kanon are fine. Curious to see how Amakusa will look.

In general I like the new art a lot, though. I don't really mind the new trollfaces either. In b4 I don't understand Umineko.

>>6153709
I would rage at you but you're really not much worse than the people who think you can just change the sprites.

The PS3 version will be released in English.

>>6153723
With English voices, of course.

>>6153719
>but you're really not much worse than the people who think you can just change the sprites.

I could also say the same about the people who thinks changing the sprites will suddenly destroy the re-playability of Umineko. Seriously.

/jp's troll face

>>6153738
It doesn't destroy the re-playability so much. At least someone who uses the child-friendly sprites the second time reading has already used the full sprites once, so they know all the faces. With any luck, when terrible mockeries of the original expressions are being shown, they will be able to connect them to the proper expressions subconsciously. What is particularly wrong about it is that people who want to read Umineko after hearing it's a VN on the ps3 will not actually be playing Umineko. They will spend the same amount as time reading it as anyone else, but it will all be for nothing. They won't even touch the original version. It's like when a dub comes out, and someone thinks it's okay to watch that dub and go under the impression that they are watching the original work. We've already got the anime infecting the Umineko name, but now people who actually think they want to go and read Umineko proper will not read it properly.

>>6153759

This is getting a bit crazy, you should move on from Umineko for a while, seriously.

>>6153759

I never knew people could get so worked up over trivial things like people wanting/preffering to use newer sprites.

I will agree that trollfaces in PS3 version are laughable, but it's not like they are really important.

>>6153821
The Umineko fanbase would be a very different thing without those trollfaces. I'm sure most people think nothing of value, though.

>>6153821

I'm sure there will be less people who only liked Beato for her trolling/trollfaces alone. Good ridance I say

>>6153843
What I mean is the people might be the same, but the attitude would be different. There would be less fun.

>Buy
>PS3

My fellow jailbreak an I have other plans.

The faces actually have a more sinister tone. It really seems like they enjoy the pain they cause in these ones.
In the originals, it looked like Beatvis and Butthead giggling because of their own farts.
Perhaps I will be able to read this normally, instead of hyper-focusing on text only to avoid the tumors.

>>6153709
> and music often does more harm than good when it comes to immersion.
While that's true, I believe that in the case of Umineko, the music helps more than it hurts. Mainly because there are no voices in the original version of Umineko, and there are very little CGs (with the only one I can think of being Jessica's Marisa cosplay from Episode 2), so the music is in large part the mood-setter.

For example, the music used during Episode 1's first twilight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAupQUUglkU

This puts me in trouble since I never read the original Umineko.

Should I wait for this, or start now?

>>6153881

Start now. It's not really worth waiting for it to be released.

Unless you don't care for the wait, understand Japanese, owns a PS3 and will be willing to import this game.

>>6153867

They are copypasted from the manga.

>>6153875
Not to mention the music in general is fairly good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKWf_20Lkg

>>6153759
Chill your tits buttcunt, its just a VN. Fuck, I dont care about the fanbase, you're acting like those turds on /v/.

Its nothing about it being proper either, its just a story. Its not like my livelyhood and the fate of the world rests of my understanding of the original Umineko. Its just a story for entertainment.

>>6154366
>Its not like my livelyhood and the fate of the world rests of my understanding of the original Umineko. Its just a story for entertainment.

People seems to forget this fact after a while and takes Umineko way too seriously.

I'm not sure if Umineko will still be Umineko without ahaha.wav
The voices are (generally) good but yeah, Don't know how if I'd read it without that sound effect.

>>6154902

the PS3 ports is keeping all the original music. I guess this also mean the sound effects. They used the gunshot sound, that sound after people gets killed, So most likely they'll keep the ahaha.wav

Do people actually defend ryu07's shitty art+

My main problem with it is that it looks like it will destroy the weird feel to Umineko. Umineko is like an old n64 or playstation game with the terrible graphics that make it creepier. Better graphics are welcome but they need to keep the weird factor to everything. I mean half the time in the meta world you don't even know what the fuck the background is meant to be. In ps3 everything is too clearly defined so it looks all bright and unrealistic. Besides, can you imagine ep4 tea party with just text at the bottom of the screen. That shit won't be half as good.

>>6154923

Sadly yes. To the point that prefering the newer PS3 sprites over the original ones means you don't understand Umineko

>>6154923
Not much of an Umineko fan myself, but I'm assuming its just like ZUN's art. I was pretty butthurt when I played fairywars and saw that art. I can sympathize.

>>6154921
No, there's no more ahaha.wav
like the scene when the Stakes got summoned, there was suppose to be ahaha.wav, but now, we've got their VA's doing the laughing

>>6151440
Holy shit, I laughed way harder at this than I should've. That's her in the anime? Jesus fucking Christ.

>>6154958

Dunno, there could have been an ahaha.wav but the scene was cut off.

They can't cut that out. Out of all the sound effects to cut out

>>6154973
Face it, R07 only used ahaha.wav because he didn't get voice actors to do the laughs

>>6155015

If thats the case then thats a pretty big shame. ahaha.wav was my favourite sound effect. It's almost an iconic trolling sound effect that fits virtually all characters!

I've already pre-ordered this. The issue is that EP8 will come out soon afterwards. So, if by the end of EP8 I end up not liking how R07 tied everything up, I'll feel like I wasted money on this game. Well, I've bought all the games so far.

>>6155077

What type of ending are you anticipating for?

>>6155086
No Battler, you are the killer
and then Battler was trollface

>>6155086
Nothing too big, really, as I never have high expectations. However, I'm looking forward to Kyrie's and Rudolph's background. I'd also like to know what Rudolph wanted to tell Battler so far. BATTLER told Ange there were no bad people, and that this one wasn't a sad or painful story. I want to see how that plays out.

Yasu's motivation was mostly explained in EP7, but to be honest, it seemed rather vapid to me, and I'd like to think there's a bit more to it. If R07 can fix that, I'll be happy. Although, I'm not really expecting this to happen.

Not that anon, but I'd like to share my hopes for the end of the series.
Well Meta-Battler sorta got his happy ending at the end of EP6
So if Ange could get her 'happy' ending (even if it is just some closure), everything would be alright.

Not a huge fan of the whole DID maid thingy, so as an added plus, it should be explained without that crap.

>>6155117
>I'm looking forward to Kyrie's and Rudolph's background. I'd also like to know what Rudolph wanted to tell Battler so far.

You're not alone with this. I think its about time both Rudolf and Kyrie got some well deserved backstory that will hopefully not just be about Asumu (although I also want this cleared out aswell). I'd like to have more insight on Kyrie's mind, know why she's the way she is (or is this already asking too much...)

>BATTLER told Ange there were no bad people, and that this one wasn't a sad or painful story. I want to see how that plays out.

I feel were going to have some type of moral issues/Contraversies with this. Certainly people died and we can't believe that all of the deaths are accidents.

>>6155199
>I feel were going to have some type of moral issues/Contraversies with this.

Yeah, I feel the same too. In addition, I seriously cannot see how the death of anyone, especially that of people who were your family, can not be considered sad nor painful.

I really hope R07 doesn't go through a resolution in which no one died, and that even the scenes from 1998 were fiction.

>>6155219

That would really be a major asspull at this point.

>>6155199
>I'd like to have more insight on Kyrie's mind, know why she's the way she is
Maybe because she was raised as the heir to the ancient, noble and very strict family from Kyoto. You should have known this if you actually payed attention to ep4. Remember Sonozaki? They're small time compared to Sumaderas. Plus her story about Asumu from ep6.


>>6155219
>In addition, I seriously cannot see how the death of anyone, especially that of people who were your family, can not be considered sad nor painful.
Come on, one of the main philosophical themes we have here is subjectivism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivism.. For the real, living people, there's no universal scale for anything, or rather it's not suitable for them. Happiness, pain, even truth - it's all depends on the perception of the individual. Universal scale exists only for the inhuman, immortal beings, like witches and demons. See the conversation between Mammon and Ange on the boat. That's why Maria can actually be happy and so on, and so on. Battler understood this and that's why he no longer decides from the objective pov like he tried to do in ep1-4.
If Battler will show their real motives and (preferably) without much lies, it'll be good. However, if you decide that it's a sad story, it'll be so. For Battler it isn't, and he says that Ange should decide herself what story it'll be. Well, inhuman being Bern could cut it with red, but I'm sure he'll take care of her. And Bernkastel is, among her other titles, the witch of mystery. See what this means?
And if you still wonder how there could be no bad people, you should reread ep4 chapter "Journey's Endpoint". Kasumi and Eva weren't the bad people, but sad, pitiful and misguided ones. This is a very important chapter. If you don't understand it, you don't understand one of Umineko themes and a large pile of various philosophical, religious and moral concepts.

>>6156962
DEEP.

>>6156962
>Maybe because she was raised as the heir to the ancient, noble and very strict family from Kyoto. You should have known this if you actually payed attention to ep4

Yes, I know all of this. I actually payed attention to EP4. But thats not what I meant. It'd be nice to see more of Kyrie's past (other than Asumu) directly rather than it just being mentioned, implied, etc. But maybe it's wishful thinking

>>6157013
Well, if he's going to explain their motives he will have to show something of the sort. It's just that we can vaguely guess what it will probably look like already.

So... why not record the whole game and put subtitle on the video ? It would be the same that reading it on the ps3.

>>6157024

Huh? no it woudn't

>>6157024
You can't skip lines in a video. I happen to read pretty quickly, so watching a novel being read as slowly as the voice acting would be unbearably boring and irritating.
It's pretty much the same shit anyways,

>>6157048

What this Anon said

>>6157048
I want to play it mostly for the voice acting, and it's still better that nothing to read it on a video (who
can "easily' be subtitled).
Not that I like stream my vn or whatever...

>>6157072

Well if voice acting is all you care about (besides english trans) then It's fine for you.

>>6157024
Oh, that's actually a pretty neat idea. I imagine most people would like to hear all the lines anyway, so skipping isn't really a problem.

Yeah, well, Phantom of Inferno tried to do the same thing, and we all know how that turned out,
Most people consider that shit unplayable.

>>6157114

Phantom of Inferno went PS3?

>>6157129
I meant the whole "visual novel like it's a movie" thing. The official release on DVD played exactly like that guy is suggesting this "translation" should happen, and it has attracted extreme criticism.

>>6157137
According to Wikipedia issues are :
"The game can be difficult to play on a PC, as many media players will not display the video"
"sometimes it will not let you use the slider bar to fast forward through scenes, which can make it more time consuming to replay the game and obtain different endings"
"the DVD version removed the save/load system from the PC version, replacing it with a password system to jump to selected points in the story."

But it's not be a problem with umineko who doesn't have multiple ending. It'll just have to be a video file with subtitle, not something interactive.
And it's seem the only way to have it in english...

>>6157653
>And it's seem the only way to have it in english...

Is it? Can an english patch be made for the PS3? if yes then we may have an alternative

>>6158365
Wait, couldn't it be all backported to the PC version, much like what mirrormoon did with F/SN and later waku waku with the Realta Nua patch?
Orrr would what all be too much effort

>>6158406
A lot of that was thanks to Fate using the same engine in both the PC and PS2 versions. There's no way in hell PS3 Umineko runs on ONScripter.

>>6158442

But can you put an english patch to the PS3 game? or is it impossible?

It is possible.

>>6158600

Then theres hope for an english patch.