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Cuteness does not exist in the third dimension

I guess I'll start posting pictures of my robots.

>>6265375
cuteness does not exist in any dimension. It is a more conceptual thing, involving twintails, apple shaped name tags, and crotch plates with angry faces on them.

What's the weekend bonus this time, btw? doesn't feel like 8x or even 5x.

>>6265429
x3 until the end of the beta

>>6265456
x3 only? Well, that sucks.

why does cyberstep nerf clown arms when short boost is obviously the real issue? the cards are a strong weapon but it's the hopping that makes it hard to deal with. it's like blizzard nerfing reapers into the ground while leaving marauders untouched.

>>6265480
Because Short boost can be countered by actually aiming your damn weapons, whereas the card arm can fling cards that home in on targets the fuck behind you while you're hopping.

The fact they home at all as a non-missile weapon is a big plus, they're still very effective. Just not abusively so when combined with Short Boost.

>>6265424
can you post that skin?

>>6265437
That is unexpectedly cute. Please post skin.

>>6265498
so what if they're homing? you can put short boost on a destructor and hop around spamming missiles just as easilly. that one faggot from LOYALTY is proof of that.

you can't just "aim better" either since quickly changing direction messes with the trajectory correction auto-aim does. god help you if the nigger is lagging even a little.

>>6265531
Actually yes, you CAN aim better. "Wait for a red circle and pray" shooting isn't how the game should work. Taking careful aim between shots is not only possible, but necessary.

As for the Destructor, or any bot with locking subweapons, the damage per second ratio of that is a fraction of what a card bot can produce, especially considering the time spent locking and firing and the range issue. Equally important is that the Cards have equal homing against both air and land, and that homing WAS (before the .jp changes) on par with best missile homing.

There's a reason there are only two or three Destro-hoppers compared to dozens upon dozens of card hoppers.

>>6265508
is that a skin? I thought it was just either the Gunarms or one of the Cheerleaderbots heads on a Pacifar.

I really hope the eyes don't look too scary.

>>6265629
Oh god, fish eyes. They're starring into me.

>>6265629
The sword is striped too.

>>6265609
no, pay attention to how the auto aim works. if you shoot a weapon at nothing the bullets will follow a parabolic trajectory. if you have something locked on the trajectory will be changed to hit the target. even if you have the reticule in the correct spot you can still miss because rapidly changing direction will change the calculated trajectory to make your bullets go in the wrong direction.

Random screenshot in Arcantus.

>>6265629
>her the Stocking sword
>her the Stocking
>her the
>the Stocking

Her eye twitches.

>>6265680
Forgot my pic. Mistyped the verification.

>>6265677
Thanks for pointing out my grammatical error. I edited the description too much to notice it.

I've posted this before. Momohime is a character from Muramasa: The Demon Blade.

>>6265704
She would be much cuter without the huge dress. Sometimes the graphics bugs up and you can see here pretty long legs without her long dress and she looks better.

>>6265508
Ganguro Seraph:
http://www.mediafire.com/?c45ou6sc61c9kc5

>>6265508
Ghost Kamuro:
http://www.mediafire.com/?c45ou6sc61c9kc5

>>6265722
Yeah it's kind of distracting when I'm in arena.

>>6265644
The shots (minus a few weapons, notably The Auto Beam rifle and similar, lasers, and flamethrowers) follow the same curvature as the arena floor, and that curve has nothing to do with auto aim.

Your shots go where the reticle points. The "auto-aim" in the game is essentially non-existant. If you and your target are both moving, then you have to take into account both of your movement speeds and directions, because (baring the accuracy modifier on the weapon itself) your shots will go exactly where the reticule is pointed. If you don't lead your target MANUALLY you won't hit shit.

Your "rapid changing directions" notion is based on where the bullet goes as your character model goes through movement animations. Note that shots originate from the exact barrel of the weapon, not from some nebulous point in the middle of your field of view. If you change directions rapidly, your weapon will move in relation to your field of view, and then attempt to reposition itself in regards to where your reticule is. If you fire half-way through that animation the bullet goes in whatever direction the gun was pointed in during the animation.

>>6265722
Wouldn't that involve her being in just panties and stockings?

>>6265759
I don't mind.

>>6265749
nigger I've seen beam rifle shots arcing left when the target is hopping right. don't give me your learn2aim shit.

>>6265749
that's all well and good, but the problem is the autoaim forces you into a shitty aim against a hopper if your weapon is fast enough to require only a small amount of leading. I can manually lead bazookas against Air just fine, where you have to lead so far that autoaim never comes into play. But something like ABRs against relatively slow-moving (compared to S Air) hoppers, the required lead is so small that it snaps you into autoaim whether you like it or not.

It's really funny because I have an easier time against hoppers with my Maril, where sound balls are a perfect counter with their homing + non-explosive damage (plus hoppers don't kill nearly as fast as ivis/ouka do), while with Seraph I just have to hunt down the ivis/oukas and ignore hoppers.

The big problem with short boost is that it's so easily acquired via a cartridge on numerous bots that everyone just ends up abusing it, while ivis and ouka will become ultra-rare in live.

what are good cartridges for an L air?

Screw aiming better against hoppers just laser the hell out of em. jpCB is 40% hoppers and 80% lasers. Just try being a hopper in jpCB, you'll last 30 seconds. Clown arms were a good nerf when you can just equip a laser for 1500 UC and screw over most hoppers.

>>6265893
Depends on what's available.

Broad radar can make you useful to your team as secondary support (especially in something like a Baltheon) to spot clusters of enemies and run down lone lands.

Sniper Sight and or Stealth can make you a deadly aerial predator in the right situations.

The boost carts are helpful (especially the on that increases your boost regen rate), but not particularly necessary.

I would advice going to the shop and buying either Acceleroll or Air Loop. Accelroll is great for covering large distances and ducking out of tight situations. Air loop is a good defensive maneuver for ducking fire without loosing your target lock, and it gives you extra vertical clearance to mantle up on ledges (you can make it to the highest Perch in Relic Towers from the ground, for example, in two boosts instead of three or four) as well as ditching pursuing units by ducking over walls and walkways.

>>6265531
Protip: 80% of the damage I do is with my bazooka, not the destructor core.

If it is so easy to play I'd like to see you get game warrior with destructor even once before spewing bullshit, let alone more than one in three games like I do. Hell even cards as overpowered as they are require some skill to play, anyone who isn't braindamaged will notice that some people do better with the same builds than others, you just don't notice all the people who fail with them and focuse on the good players. Of course you have retards like taetae who play 3 card bots per commando but those are rare.

You're also clearly a scrub and know shit about aiming, better listen to that other guy. No, the game doesn't make the projectiles go towards the target, they fly out the way your weapon is currently pointing. For example if an air is trying to circle around me I'll point in front of him and with the time it takes to turn shoot him straight in the face while 90% of arts I see just keep shooting behind airs who are circling around them. Best example of the need to aim is air vs air dogfights which are almost always decided by who aims better and predicts the opponents direction. Not counting things like mini bazookas, though I did kill lots of seraphs who used those with my L air the damage I take just isn't worth it.

>>6266146
>If it is so easy to play I'd like to see you get game warrior with destructor even once before spewing bullshit
sorry I have too much self respect to hop around like a faggot. as for aiming all you have to do to see that auto aim does affect where you hit is shoot a laser and watch the piss stream as someone walks across your screen.

>>6266171
You don't get to talk about self respect when you cry like a bitch about something that is a part of the game to the other players, if you have a problem take it to the devs. I hate ivis and do you see me complaining? Never played one, never cried to anyone when they killed me either. Get some self respect and stop finding excuses for sucking and acting like a bitch. You probably wouldn't make top 5 often even if you did use it, and besides I barely use short boost on my destructor anyway, only for art vs art combat its not practical vs air at all because they don't tend to stand in one place.

>LOYALTY
>MoD emblem
I'd still lick that DFC.

>>6266183
sorry what's that? I can't hear you over the sound of how wrong you are.

>>6266183
>shitty /v/ quality post

Yet another proof that hotglue is full of buttfurious autists who can't take it easy.

>>6266199
I like how you basically admitted you're a whiny bitch.

As for the picture it made your robot turn slightly towards it, it still doesn't mean the actual bullet will change direction, you can still controll which way you turn with your mouse. Use some common sense, if all weapons were full auto aim every fight between same builds would end the same way and I've killed other stardust whores with my own without them wasting 1/4 of my hitpoints. You're either really fucking stupid or just trolling, use any slow shooting weapon like a stardust or a bazooka and you'll see how much you need to actually aim.

Can you play a support type of role in this game?

>>6266231
Nevermind, I looked on the site a bit closer.
Looks kinda interesting, I'll install it and give it a whirl.

>>6266231
Yes, I main support and find it more enjoyable than IVIS/CARDSPAMMING

>>6266231
Absolutely!

>>6266260
>>6266255
How exactly do you heal someone in this game? Can you do it from a distance or do you have to be within arm's length of them?

>>6266231
Yes. There are specific Support robots who are able to equip team buffing and healing add-ons (which are only available to them, though they can equip others).

Support robots also usually come with specialty Core Weapons which have team-focused applications like Binding opponents in place, inflicting accuracy debuffs, or otherwise manipulating the battlefield.

>>6266277
They have to come to you and you can use the repair bit to heal everyone around you. It's not that big of a range but enough for everyone to just circle around you and get healed.

>>6266277
Arm's length. The Healing Add on (called a Wonderbit, or just a Bit) creates an Area of Effect regeneration aura around you while it's active.

You will slowly heal any adjacent ally (though you will be a huge, huddled target for opponents to use splash weapons).

>>6266277
First, to heal you need to charge a gauge by going on the frontlines and shooting people. You can also destroy trees (that drop some useful one use items) instead, but that's for losers. When that's done, you release a floating object that hovers above your head and repairs everyone within a short range of you. It can very easily be destroyed by pretty much anything. The repair rate is slow, and only lasts for so long before you have to charge up again.

In short, it's hard to use, often frustrating and unrewarding especially with a team composed of idiot pubs. But it makes an enormous difference.

>>6266224
>>6266199


I can't even figure out what the point of your picture is... you didn't even fire a shot. What are we supposed to be seeing there?

>>6266224
are you fucking stupid? like you said the bullet comes out of the end of the gun. I just showed clear as day how auto aim makes the gun point towards the target. obviously it doesn't matter when you're shooting a cactus, but when the target is hopping around like a nigger it will mess up your aim.

>>6266318
>>6266308
>>6266299
>>6266290
Thank you very much for the information. Going to give it a shot.
>>6266277

>>6266326
top picture: cactus targeted, gun pointing left of reticle

bottom picture: no target, gun pointing straight ahead

>>6266224
Were you in an upgraded bot? Were they? Just because you can kill someone in a bot that looks the same doesn't mean it's an equal playing field. I have a L air but I'm remaking a new one (Gwyain) and I do 1/3 the damage of my level 10 upgraded L air. If I were to fight my new air with my old one it would hardly be considered a fair fight even though we'd both be stardusting everywhere.

While I'm not arguing your claim about the need to aim better, I'm just pointing out a flaw in your argument that ought to be addressed.

I still say the best way to deal with hoppers is with lasers.

>>6266330
What you showed is that it will TRY to make your weapon point towards the target but it doesn't happen instantly and if you want to shoot slightly in front or behind someone you can still do it, the auto aim doesn't screw up your own aim by as much as you think. Just observe some better people play with anything other than ivis and cards. Hell, when I played auto beam rifle the first time after using wide beam gun I couldn't do much over 500 damage with it because I missed almost everything I shot at, but got much better at it after I got used to the projectile speed. I can give you tips on improving if you ask nicely in game, I'm not a dick, neither do I care about the retarded board rivalry.

>>6266415
>it will TRY to make your weapon point towards the target
that's the point retard. when the enemy is short boosting like a nigger it becomes almost impossible to hit even close to where you're actually aiming. it's not a matter of just leading your shots, you have to guess where the auto aim is going to shoot and then base your calculation on that.

>>6266444
Maybe impossible for you, the auto aim is so slow I barely notice it.

Stop blaming game mechanics, you just suck at the game. Plus if all your bullshit about auto-aim was true air bots would be 5 times harded to hit than short boosters because they move faster and fuck with your ''auto-aim'' more. This vendetta against short boost that you use as an excuse for sucking is just sad, watch some jap server fights and see what happens to short boosters. What other short boost build other than cards is even abused? And before you blurt out destructor I only saw 2 people play one efficently other than myself so that would hardly count as overpowered.

Making a destructor girl because I've never played an art before and I thought it would be fun. What carts/weapons should I put on her?

>>6266472
air units don't move as erraticly as short boosters, unless they're spamming air loop which you can only do like 4 times before you run out of meter. if you're so skilled why don't you go record yourself killing zombie or whoever with a crimrose and a beam rifle so the rest of us scrubs can be as good as you?

>>6266502
Two Blast Bazookas make her a devastating Anti-air machine if you can lead them enough to land the hit.

The new Compact Launchers are a decent multi-purpose weapon, and it's nice to see Primary weapon missiles come to Small arts.

Assault or Raid Rifles (especially if you take the Stealth and Sniper carts) make her an excellent commando unit.

I've been tempted to make her into a pure sniper with a 2x Breaker Great Supply Core Breaker rifle, but I'll have to level a new one and tune for that.

>>6266502
Most people I see use blast bazookas on her since they hit a big area and she can't use L sized weapons. Having hight tec and fly is needed and I like to use broad radar so its easier to avoid land and find some airs to shoot. Blast and beam guard are also mandatory and the rest is up to you I guess.

>>6266527
When did I say I killed zombie using a beam rifle? If you really want to counter card hoppers just use lasers. The original point of this discussion was that you were saying short boost is the problem on card hoppers not the arm itself when that is just clearly retarded.

Lnd with short boost is countered by lasers and art with short boost is countered by meele, were you really too stupid to realize this? Short boost actually makes you SLOWER than normal running speed which for airs with lasers means you're just a sitting duck, they don't give a shit if you hop around. As for art with short boost any meele that isn't retarded will catch up with you with no problems if you just hop in front of them like a moron. Winberrl vines are also a counter to pretty much anything caught in them. I could give you some tips how to build a good laser bot and what to tune but since you act like an angry 12 year old just figure it out yourself.

>>6266578
on the other hand land without short boost is countered by pretty much anything that flies. not even ivis requires a specific anti-build to kill easilly. if you can't see that short boost is the problem and not the fucking clown arms you're a complete moron.

Should I give Sniper Sight to my team of Arts?

>>6266614
Lasers are a specific counter? Are they a bad weapon otherwise that you have to bitch this much? No, they just hit more easily, you can still do it with a stardust cannon or auto beam rifle/plasma gun but it takes longer and actually requires aim, you get more bullets and more range with those weapons but you also miss more, its a fair tradeoff. The reason lasers are used is because they take 0 aim just like cards, they are basically both broken. The point of fucking short boost is to make it harder for air to kill you in a crowded fight, if the only overpowered short boost build is the one with cards then how is it not a fucking problem with the card arm? Yeah lets remove short boost and make the only viable land build boost running card throwers since every other weapon for land sucks in comparison. Luckly the japanese devs don't have fetal alcohol syndrome like you do so they did the right thing and nerfed cards along with lasers because touching just one would break the game even more. Boost run is good for flanking and other LND that move alot, short boost is for ones who need to survive all the beamspam and get to damage some arts.

Taking short boost from Lnd is like air without air loop/accele roll, just a hovering duck for arts to hit. Your argument basically comes down to "bawww scissors here, nerf paper please". Its like you want the game to be nothing but idiots pressing both mouse buttons together and shooting at each other with no aim involved. Hell cards and lasers got nerfed because they are so piss easy to use, short boosting is actually the part that takes skill and separates shitty cardspammers and good ones.

>>6266472
I love how the argument just gets carried on against the idiot who's going "nigger nigger nigger" while my calm response gets completely ignored >>6265804

As I said, Air units have to be led by such a large amount that autoaim never even factors in. I can shoot down airs all day with my blast bazooka and sound balls (especially L Airs, but seraphs too once I land my first hit and stun them) except that I'm always getting swarmed by ivis and ouka.

The problem is getting forced into autoaim against slowly moving targets like hoppers; I've never experienced this "slow" lockon you describe, I get snapped onto the autoaim point and I haven't seen how it's possible to resist the autoaim other than moving your reticle way off the target so you're shooting at nothing

>>6266679
Honestly, I got no idea, if this auto aim was that bad I couldn't hit a single air with my bazooka at close range when they fly sideways and I've killed more airs than I can count this way. Just swing your mouse and follow the cursor, when it is at the spot you want to shoot at press the mouse button. Same goes for every weapon, you still guide the cursor, it doesn't lock into place, not for me at least.

>>6266673
>Its like you want the game to be nothing but idiots pressing both mouse buttons together and shooting at each other

This game would be a shitton better if LND could always move while firing all weapons. It'd be to OP on AIR or ART, so moving burst for them.

Or have it so there were just certain weapons you had to be still to fire, while you could move and fire the rest.

Other mech games allow you to move and shoot, so why not this one?

>>6266708
Well in this game you can carry up to 11 weapons on one robot so you see how this could be a problem. Even 2 weapons at once is 2x the dps of a regular one, so you actually have to use some strategy on whether its worth it to stand and use both or dodge while using one. I agree lnd would benefit least but imagine something like 40 wlk large land running around with 4 bazookas firing at once.

i'm in Japan right now, it's about 1:49 pm here. jealous?

>>6266673
how many generations inbred are you? you can't compare hopping to air loop because loop makes you run out of meter. you can't compare it to rock paper scissors either because air is the rock to land's scissors.

>Its like you want the game to be nothing but idiots pressing both mouse buttons together and shooting at each other with no aim involved.
what do you think cardspammers are doing?

>>6266708
>Other mech games allow you to move and shoot, so why not this one?

You can, just use 1 weapon.

>>6266738
Yes, and you can recharge the meter in 2 seconds, which means you take a break from rolling once every ten seconds unlike short boost that pauses every time it lands.

I like how you ignored the whole point about cards and lasers being broken not short boost itself. There is no weapon for lnd that comes even close to card arm and you can't explain why only hoppers with cards are overpowered while ones with other weapons aren't. If you can't understand how limited land would be with just one viable weapon and no tool for dodging I just have nothing more to say to you. Also you type like an angsty 12 year old, I honestly don't intend to waste any more time answering you since you're too dense get how the game works anyway. Keep using that short boost as an excuse for your own failures though, because finding excuses for your own incompetence will make you a highly successful person and not have you kill yourself while swearing at the world for how unfair it is.

>>6266718
>imagine something like 40 wlk large land running around with 4 bazookas firing at once.
i came

>>6266780
>just one viable weapon
>what are melee weapons?
of course I can't expect a card spammer to know how to play the game like you're supposed to

>>6266789
>>6266816
>>6266819
These are awesome.

>>6266780

Shortboost is *broken* aside from card (lol no effort autoaim) you can use mag/zooka/accelgun/rifle/breaker and be just as good as if you used lasers. Any idiot can get a shortboost+quickboost+quickland and jump around never getting hit.

The airdash and airloop are pretty powerfull as well, dash works like a get out of jail for free card and loop lets airs climb onto unreachable ledges. But it's at least so that you can't spam whem forever to stay in an semi-invincible state while shooting unlike smallboost.

>>6266787
I sometimes do that by giving my Shino Boost Run and 4 Rocket Launchers. I fire during my Boost Run so that I'm still slowing down when the rockets launch.

Makes for a decent trooper design.

link to niceboat

you need cyberroid head to apply it on.

ttp://www.cosmicbreak.jp/op/page_o_topic_detail/173318

>>6266630
Team of Arts? Which bots are you talking about? If you've got something like a Macross Missile Massacre Sturbanger, don't even bother, since you become VERY obvious once you start firing. For smaller bots like Destructor Girl? Not a bad choice if you have the cost.

>>6266902
If thats what you believe I'd like some proof or I'm calling bullshit.

The reason cardspamming is overpowered is that it basically has no flaws.

Lets look at the pros and cons:

pros: -bullet type weapon, works good against any type of robot
-weapon is homing and negates enemy mobility chips like air loop and accele roll
-short boost offers mobility

cons: beam weapons that can actually hit you and sometimes ivis

So you see why only another robot that has a weapon that deals bonus damage to LND and doesn't need to aim, which is lasers, really counters this. If you use something like a mag, a rifle or a bazooka you actually need to aim now and good luck hitting any competent air with this, contrary to what you think accele roll is better for dodging than short boost, its just the illusion you got because art weapons are better for hitting mobile targets like air than air is at hitting a hopping land. You can do reasonably well with this build but you will need lots of skill to hit anything and will still miss most of your shots, so untill you provide videos of doing as well with those I'm not buying it. Especially since with a bazooka you abandon your primary role which is killing arts who now have more firepower than you and a blast guard as well. Not to mention meele will fuck you up even more. It would be a decent speedy wanna-be art build but still far from imbalanced. Again, lands would be shit tier without short boost, at least without cards we will have some variety as some will use mags, some rifles, some bazookas, some flamers, all of these have pros and cons unlike cards which had one specific counter.

>>6266969
lol *autoaim*

Weapons on CB still needs to align towards the enemies (so that projectile path collides with the target) before you can shoot and hit them. This applies for lasers as well. So aside from that the laser is an instant beam, it doesn't have that other real advantages. Using lasers vs fast moving targets usually results in the laser maybe "glancing" the target for 12 ish damage when a full hit would be at 30+ and you just used up what, 10 out of 600 laser ammo to deal those 12 ish points of damage. That's no better than missing 50% of your rifle/zooka/accel/mag shots. Cards bypass this (lol no effort) because the cards are fired, then stops in midair to align perfectly towards the target once. You can easily dodge one "volley" of cards over longer distance by moving in a different direction after they've aligned themselves, but the rate of fire is so fast there's no room to dodge consecutive volleys.

Zookas have no problems killing anything even if they have blast guard. Anyone who's played a Art or even S Air with mini zookas can confirm this. At the start of CB beta zombie/numbers/SYCO/whoever were all using smallboosting dual zooka bots.

If you played JP CB you'd mostly see zooka/mag/accelgun users amongst the non-cashwhoring playerbase. Perhaps you should like, play the game instead of spouting your theorycraft bullshit whine on the boards?

>>6267064
I'm the one whining and you want nerf short boost? Cool logic there.

As for a LND using zookas, enjoy having your face raped by ivises, oukas, art bots with bigger bazookas and any air that is not retarded and flies over you and knows how to dodge. And you tell me to watch the jap servers while you say lasers are bad? More than half of every team during the jap tourney was nothing but laser spam, you might want to get your eyes checked. And yes the laser being instant means you just have to point at the hopping land and hit him while doing the same with a beam rifle would mean hitting the ground under him as he jumps. And wow mags, handy zookas and accel guns are the most used weapons outside of the cash shop, no fucking shit since they can't get anything better for free. Not to mention that at the time zombie was doing that we had almost no content and if he tried his hopping laz flamme now he would get faceraped.

>>6266946
What about a lily rain? Or a med. art?

>>6266969
>since with a bazooka you abandon your primary role which is killing arts
if you're cardspamming you're already past that point. if you wanted to kill art you would be using boost run and a melee weapon.

people don't hate cardspamming because of shitty cards that do like 8 damage a hit, it's because shortboost makes them 10x harder to kill. without the hopping you can kill them before they can even do 100 damage with the cards.

>>6267095
Cards do full damage to art, what are you talking about? You fire five of them at once and can kill an art as fast as any meele can, especially with dual slayer bits. With cards you deal full damage to all 3 types, while with a bazooka you would deal shit damage to both art and other land, its not even close to being as good.

Just imagine a carspam bot with a bazooka instead of the card hand doing the same thing, he would take the same amount of time to die but won't have homing missiles and the non moving targets all got blast guard. Doesn't seem that intimidating, unless all the air on the enemy team is really bad and can't even beat a LND who doesn't have homing bullets.

>>6267090
>ctrl+f "nerf" on my post
>no results found

>ctrl+f "laser sucks" on my post
>no results found

derped so hard you have to make up and exaggerate my posts?

>>6267117
>Shortboost is *broken* aside from card

>lasers vs fast moving targets usually results in the laser maybe "glancing" the target for 12 ish damage when a full hit would be at 30+ and you just used up what, 10 out of 600 laser ammo to deal those 12 ish points of damage

That took about 2 seconds. Yeah lasers are bad vs fast moving targets, that's why over half the players in one team use them.

Would you mind quouting where I was whining you hypocrite?

>>6267123
>he thinks broken = need nerf
>he thinks "no better than" = is shit

>>6267123
You don't think broken things need nerfing? You really are an idiot.

As for lasers, you are just wrong. They don't ''glance'' anything, a properly tuned laser bot fully counters a cardspammer. Nice dodging, you're still an idiot.

Also
>greentext

question who play jCB, you can win "free" RT in quest, mission or arena?

>>6267149
Why does broken = need nerf? What kind of bullshit retard logic is that? It's like saying "dirty wall = OH SHIT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED"

Of course smallhop is broken, it makes you much harder to hit without needing much effort to do. Why does it needs to be fixed? I use it myself and it's one of the reasons CB is fun for me. For balance? gb2/v/ tourneyfag

>>6267153
You can exchange your UC for RT and UC is gotten from mission/quest/arena. So yes. The exchange rates may vary, sometimes they hold events which makes it pretty cheap.

>>6267091
That's going to depend on what kind of weapons you're using. With Lily, it's likely you won't be using too many flashy weapons, so you'll probably want to use Sniper Sight to take advantage of her decent FLY stat. Fire off a couple of shots, reposition, repeat, stay alive forever. For Art units that do more than skirmish, Sniper Sight is good for deceiving opponents into thinking that you're not paying attention to them or that you're out of range. It's not good for attacking Ivises charging a Power Spot since everyone and their mothers will be targeting them, but it's great for situations similar to a duel, lulling would-be attackers into a sense of safety. So if you've got an unassuming Build Arms bot going on a commando mission with rifles, it's safe to say Sniper Sight would help you act first to bean an unwary/busy target when not much else would help you stay hidden.

>>6267191
You seem to miss my point that land would be utter shit without it and that its not broken at all, but do whatever you like as long as you're not crying about it. I hope I at least convinced you that zooka, mag and other such hoppers can't compare to card ones. You're free to prove me wrong if you can, but I'm 100% sure we won't have retards hopping into a crowd of 10 people with 3 different hoppers in their commando and scoring game warrior like they can now if we ever get the card and laser nerfs from the jp version.

>>6267091
>>6267201
Oh, and if you're playing the Open Beta right now, you can buy a Cartridge Reset item from the Shop, it's in the Star Coin section, so buy 3 coins from the "Item" section first and then go trade them in the Star Coin section.

>>6267206

lolno. There's still decent non-shorthop builds for land, so they're definitely not shit without shorthop. My old melee daed and my current misty doesn't use shorthop or cards and I can still land on top 5, sometimes even top1 with them.

>card
yes of course, why do you think I have lol card no effort on every one of my posts captain of the obvious. I'm saying that laser is on about the same level as the other weapons.

>>6267191 >>6267227
Cosmic Break would be a much better game with short boost removed. Deal w/ it.

>>6267227
The only reason lasers aren't popular in our beta is because of the limited ammo that won't net you game warrior, but if half your team is packing them and know what they're doing they are the best beam weapon.

I could land top five with my L air and no accele roll but I still do better with it. And of course there are builds that don't need short boost, but most of the ones relying on mid to short range need it. And when I say short I don't mean meele, other than the jet hammer, ivis and ouka have their own ways of being good without it.

Shorthop and any of the air rolls are fucking retarded.

>>6267253
Oh hey, I was just browsing the jpCB skins when I saw that! Dunno if there are any ones for Destructor Girl that would interest me. She's the only cosplayer-bot I have.

>>6267242
before I had shortboost or any helping skills (quickland, quickboost) I'd just do manual shortboost like movements. You won't move as fast shortboost horizontally, but just the vertical movement made most of the incoming shots miss my bot.

pic unrelated, it's the commando I most frequently get game warrior with.

>>6267260
I checked, the guy who made the skin hasn't made any for destro girl. There's really not many great skins for destro girl.

lol i trol u

>>6267318
Short boost, accele roll on "ART"

>>6267113
why the fuck would you be using a bazooka against art when swords do double damage? you shitheads all seem to be mistaken about what land is for. land is meant to be anti-art, not anti-everything invincible hopping fortress.

>>6267206
land does its job perfectly fine without hopping. my zero saber girl with raid rifle and punisher sword kills pretty much everything on the ground except for ivis. whining that your rock can't beat paper planes without hopping is just stupid.

>>6267318
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF--I jelly.

Playing with Seraph with dual mini bazookas I have to say autoaim is a major problem when duelling other air bots. Firing on the go, if you're strafing the opposite direction from your opponent it's next to impossible for either side to hit the other with slow projectiles (fast projectiles always have an advantage of course in terms of hitting the opponent).

For some reason the autoaim means you need to lead AND aim correctly to even stand a chance of hitting.

Now, when shooting stationary targets while circle-strafing you actually need to aim slightly to the left or right of the opponent to hit them while locked on - you aim in the opposite direction of which you are strafing.

The only individual arty I ever have problems dealing with is destructor girls with blast bazookas due to the AoE, every other arty type really does NOT know how to aim, and I really think the autoaim compounds this.

I decided my ouka wasn't slutty enough so I expanded her cleavage and gave her a sarashi. what do you think?

There has to be a way to make a transparent color in that game.

>>6265353
"Cosmic Break" is a spam, and you're a sucker, OP.

>>6267795

>>6267772
You can paint your mech to be the same color as the background of one of the arena map, but you'll stick out like a sore thumb in other maps.

>>6267847
I think the idea was to make ouka's kimono invisible so you can see her pantsu

>>6267866
I think you gotta wait for her swimsuit version before you can do something like that

>>6267866
This. It's because Ivis has a transparent skirt. I wish we could do it for whatever.

Here we see Hotglue in their natural habitat

>>6268406
There was a few /m/ before. But I guess not winning any matches gets frustrating.

Some questions:

-How do you do the air loop? (I have the cartridge equipped)
-Can someone post the stats of a stardust cannon?
-How do you know how better the internal weapon is when you apply the enhance cartridges? I don't see any difference in stats.

>>6268406

it can't be helped~ DOS pubs getting kicked for having worst scores on a 15/15 game following by other pubs and finally /m/ ragequit

asses got handed, on a plate, etc.

>>6268406
Pentagons, Hexagons, Stars versus Diamond, Triangles and Circle.

>>6268406

Of course, the entire dos team ragequit after losing twenty matches in a row.

In fact, good old Rynex initially said /m/ was going to be in that room until they won. Too bad they didn't live up to that promise.

My face when children from snowflake finally found out about cards.
Three fucking fags in one game.

>>6268499
>mfw
>reaction image

Get the fuck out.

what do you think of my L air? I'm an art player but I wanted to try an air bot.

>>6268520
Does air really need sword guard? I imagine beam guard would be more useful, if not something else entirely.

>>6268520

I recommend switching out one of the miscellaneous cartridges for moving burst. Blitz blasters seem kind of pointless if you're not a shadenfag, but you might be able to get it to work. There are better alternatives like the stardust cannon though. Also, try to keep str above 0 if possible.

>>6268520
>no moving burst
You just went full retard.

>>6268586
I'm still messing with the cartridges.

>>6268610
I don't have a stardust cannon. The blitz blasters have +1 force, they seem quite decent.
Why do I need str > 0? I'd gladly sacrifice the wonder bit time for better tec/fly stats.

>>6268659
Stardust cannon is one of the hardest hitting beam guns. Blitz blasters are better for shadenfagging/ps killing.

1 str for propeller bits would be nice.

If you wanted a fast moving air, a seraph crim or other small air would've been better. L air are better for burst/high damage.

>>6268697
I raised fly more for the flying time than the speed.

-----------
if ((this.str > 0) && (this.tec > 0))

strtec = (this.str + this.tec) / 2 - Math.abs(this.str - this.tec) + 20;

else {

strtec = 0;

}
-----
if (strtec > 0) {

out.funnel_atk = ((strtec - 15) * 0.01F);

out.funnel_durability = ((strtec - 15) * 0.01F);

} else {

out.funnel_atk = -0.4F;

out.funnel_durability = -0.4F;

}
------------
Mmmh, it really helps to have 1 str/tec rather than 0.

Posting other formulae:
if (this.tgh > 0) {

out.stundamage = (short)(int)(this.tgh * 1.45F + 25.0F);
out.damagecap = (short)(int)KMath.clamp(140.0F - this.tgh * 1.7F, 70.0F, 140.0F);

}

else {

out.stundamage = 6;

out.damagecap = 300;

}
-----
out.atk_direct = ((this.str - 10) * 0.024F);

out.atk_solid = ((this.tec - 10) * 0.016F);

out.atk_beam = ((this.tec - 10) * 0.016F);
-----
power = Math.max(0.0F, power * (1.0F + this.robodata.param.atk_solid));


power = Math.max(0.0F, power * (1.0F + this.robodata.param.atk_beam));


power = Math.max(0.0F, power * (1.0F + this.robodata.param.atk_direct));
-------

-----------
if ((this.str > 0) && (this.tec > 0))
strtec = (this.str + this.tec) / 2 - Math.abs(this.str - this.tec) + 20;
else {
strtec = 0;
}
-----
if (strtec > 0) {
out.funnel_atk = ((strtec - 15) * 0.01F);
out.funnel_durability = ((strtec - 15) * 0.01F);
} else {
out.funnel_atk = -0.4F;
out.funnel_durability = -0.4F;
}
------------
Mmmh, it really helps to have 1 str/tec rather than 0.


Posting other formulae:
if (this.tgh > 0) {
out.stundamage = (short)(int)(this.tgh * 1.45F + 25.0F);
out.damagecap = (short)(int)KMath.clamp(140.0F - this.tgh * 1.7F, 70.0F, 140.0F);
}
else {
out.stundamage = 6;
out.damagecap = 300;
}
-----
out.atk_direct = ((this.str - 10) * 0.024F);
out.atk_solid = ((this.tec - 10) * 0.016F);
out.atk_beam = ((this.tec - 10) * 0.016F);
-----
power = Math.max(0.0F, power * (1.0F + this.robodata.param.atk_solid));

power = Math.max(0.0F, power * (1.0F + this.robodata.param.atk_beam));

power = Math.max(0.0F, power * (1.0F + this.robodata.param.atk_direct));
-------

>>6268406
Yeah, I had to get out of there. DOS pub doesn't go to me for repairs, and I get swarmed to death by Hotglue Ivis and whatnot, when I am next to our spawn.

>>6268959
>(short)(int)(this.tgh * 1.45F + 25.0F);
>(short)(int)
What kind of crazy language does that?

>>6269966
Despite the dense, impenetrable text the point he's making is sound. Though I would say it's better given by example

0 Walk or Fly makes you move perilously slow. the difference in speed between 1 and 10 is minimal, but at 0 movement stat you'll be moving as slowly as a 10 Walk/Fly character caught in a Slow trap.

If your Tec or Str is 0 the speed of your Wonderbits decay is phenomenal. With 40 Tec and 1 Str my propeller bits will stay up for 20-30 seconds.... with 0 Str, they dont' even last 5. Most weapon bits will disappear after a single attack.

Zero Toughness... let's put it this way, I took my Trees'n'Bees Blaster bot with Zero toughness into a match one and got "turnaround hitstun" (the kind where your bot spins around backward from the force of the blow) from a 20 damage rifle shot.

>>6270068
I was just commenting on that retarded-looking cast operation.

What's the current path for 3 star haku?

>>6270527

Red red blue blue blue blue

>>6269966
java

>>6268959
Which decompiler are you using?

>>6271933
jd-gui, but most of it can be decompiled without problems with any decompiler like jad, etc

I get top 5 every game with an untuned seraph with only one arm and a particle gun

ur all bad

>>6272321
Are you playing some low ranked arena against circles and triangles? If so, that's nothing to brag about. Also, screens or name, or it didn't happen.

Quick question, /jp/....

Did I bring enough guns?

>>6272816
Jesus Christ. I would like to see a video of this in action, please.

>>6268406
MoD ragequitting every room Hotglue is in. Sounds about right.

Roly Poly

>>6272845
I should probably get fraps or something...

I'd be nice if there was an Art bot with a rifle or gun core weapon that could hold all that... it would make the circle complete.

Sturbanger can't quite do it (either standard or regular)... This monstrosity has 40 Tec too, so I don't know that I need to change it anyway. It works out to be surprisingly balanced... I have my cruise missiles for long range, and the Gun Arms rifle boosters for intermediate range. Anything that gets within 200 gets chewed up pretty quickly. It's a big slow turret of a thing, though, so it's melee-bait (even more so than most arts)... I wish I had a Winberyl buddy to follow me around and bind stuff.

>>6272974
Hey, I actually have one of those as a bot.

Ouka > Ivis.

>>6272981
Oh god so moe.

>>6272816
I tried something similar, but I went full rifles (x4 gathima "breaker" arms and gun arm BS). That baby fires 10 shells of rifle at 370 range, good for picking off medics or arts at PS

>>6272981
That's adorable. Where'd you get it? What type is it?

>>6273010
Actually, funny story, it's only the legs. They drop from the Roly Poly looking mobs in the desert Arcantus zones and are called "Sand Worm Legs". I used an Elme.S body(the smallest one I could find) and polygon edited the head on it out of the picture so that it would look that small. The only other thing it has on it is the Laser Leg Joint. The stats are crap, though, but it's adorable.

how do I use ouka dayu properly? her melee attack is really akward and I can't land the raisen move even when you don't have to switch modes anymore. should I focus on using her umbrella shot?

>>6273050
Actually, I'm tempted to rebuild it on a Lucheer body for better stats and carts....

>>6273055
[x]Junk her
I'm serious.

>>6273055
She's terrible don't bother

>>6273055
you don't.

>>6273152
but she's so sexy

Finally rolled my 3rd Ivis. A rare occasion where I had enough money to blow 100,000 zeny on garapon. Yes, zeny, it's ALL zeny dammit!

In before nobody gets the reference.

>>6273209
Challenge yourself then. I've challenged myself for the whole OB1 and half of OB2 to try and make my Lazflamme work. Kampfer snapped my will last week. Surely you'll have better luck than me, considering how much stronger Ouka Dayu is compare to Lazflamme. Ask for no help, listen to no one!

I still love you, Azurite ;_;

>>6273239
Your Lazflamme is pretty good.

Now, the Arena/Quest robots, now they're a bit tricky.

>>6273244
You lost me.

>>6273244
You mean like Blockys, Missides, Bad Bats, Hogroids, and such?

Yeah .... tough.

another skin edit to give her fundoshi

>>6273326
Too bad few, if anyone, ever looks at your bots close up. Heck, I don't even think they can see your fundoshi under that dress

>>6273300 Hogroids
(´・ω・｀)

>>6273326
Hey, shithead, nobody's all that turned on by Pran or Pron or whatever you're calling this blocky 3d-polygon-sprite's underwear, and we don't need to buy games or run viruses to spank it anyway.

If I want touhou porn, I'll go look at quality touhou porn. Get your yet-another-piece-of-kimmoware/"critter"-whatever game spam off our board. You can't astroturf shovelware here since you have nothing of worth to offer, don't even try.

>>6273387

>random arcantus
>game is full of ivis and ouka
>disregard that shit and roll stur anyways
>get game warrior/destroyer/fighting spirit nuking all dem airs

fuck yeah

>>6272981
>>6272974
Those little robots remind me of that one Space Pirates Metroid comic.

>Are you a space pirate?
>yes?
>Then YOU need a WEAPON!
>Bang bang bang

>>6273423
>>6272981

That's it, I'm grinding Arcantus for one of these.

Psychadelic, bro

>>6273422
>green field
>game is full of ivis and ouka
>AIR with ABR and Stardust everywhere
>disregard that shit
>pulls out low tier Lazflamme once more and gives her a sword
>sticks around friendly PS to counter ivis and ouka
>rank 3, sword master
I don't understand this game anymore

Aah, my tactics of flanking the enemy powerpoint unaided don't work in B and A rank matches~ people actually turn around when they see people shooting them in the back, and there are more people with dedicated anti-air weaponry...

>>6266630 team of Arts
Prepare to hate this game.

>>6273896
In my case I had to raise an M art and restrict sturbanger on the few maps with open fields. You can still enjoy this game with arts, but don't try to force your L art on every map.

You just need to play good arts like dgirl or destructor and abuse their core weapon.
The rest of the arts are ivis food.

>>6273987

that's bad

>>6273987
Arty only really work in groups - a good spread out gunline of 3 or 4 are needed to obliterate anything that gets too close. If you can form a gunline and especially have a small art that can get behind any individual attacking unit fast, even Ivis will die fast and has the benefit of being able to take down any short-range air unit.

Of course this requires teamwork and layered defenses and actually PAYING ATTENTION to incoming units, which is so very rare.

>>6274027
No it is not.
Almost top rank with my untune lvl5 shitty L Art.
Would have top the chart if i didnt fall into the water.

>>6274109
Of the five top enemy players, only one was proper melee. That's (L) Art for you: extreme firepower and extreme vulnerability to melee rape.

I wonder if Air hate my Sturbanger as much as I hate Ivis and Ouka.

>>6274130
Nope I main S Air and I raped all the arts.
There is no good art players around except those nips art hopper.

>>6274143
>>6274130
Different S Air here, we fucking LOVE sturbangers. They just can't turn fast enough to shoot us as with half the art players, so when they are unsupported and open fire with all guns and miss with 90% of their shots they are delicious and moist BP for the taking. I'm sure Large Air might have a different opinion though.

I look forward to the end of the betas. I miss the teleporting jikuns with flamethrowers.

>>6274130

Another S AIR player here. I only avoid them when the person actually knows how to play. It's pretty rare, so L ART is usually a free kill.

>>6274200
>>6274180
>>6274143
>>6274130
The thing about Art when you're air, y'see, you're not a MOBILE threat. Any art will be almost certainly outpaced by air units. That means for all we care you're mobile turrets that WE engage on our own terms, and that means if you shoot us down it's our own damn issue for not flying well.

Taking a guess at gamer psychology, Ivis and the like get all the hate because THEY engage YOU, they thus dictate (most of) the terms of the engagement and thus are really aggravating since they're ganking you as opposed to us flying into your missiles.

Also they're cheap little bitches but that's neither here nor there.

Guy new to Cosmic Break here, how important is the third robot in a team? I typically only use my Crimrose and Hound Dog and the third one never gets any use.

>>6274265
it's important if you die constantly.

Actually, it's important because you can use different bots for different situations. For example in a match with a lot of AIR you might like to use an ART bot, you can't predict exactly what will happen after all.

>>6274295

I see. I have a few other robots but I never tried any of them. The one I have currently on my third slot is Bugsycait Boom but I've never tried the thing out.

>>6274229
I'd take any other two lands over a single Ivis in my Sturbanger or Gun Arms solo any day... If she closes enough to hit you, it's basically over, unless you have some weird 40 Fly setup there's no way to put enough distance between you unless you can Hurricane Blow her away.

Now, in a group situation with backup, it's different. Having a Winberyl with broad radar and burstfire bit playing spot 'n' snag is a great Art buddy.

>>6274265
Generally what you have in a commando is a Primary bot, and then two situational backups.

For example, my Primary bot is either my Winberyl, when I feel like support, or my Starduster when my team lacks.... teamyness.

Then I usually run whichever of my Arts I feel like playing that day and a second air unit. If the playing field is thick with lands, I'll use my air. If it's air heavy, I'll go with the art. If it's relatively balanced, I'll take out whichever I feel more like playing.

Some players opt for three of the same bot (three lands, or three airs, etc) because they prefer to always play the same way. And, of course, there are some players that play three of the exact same bot, but they're relatively uncommon.

Basically it comes down to setting the commando up to suit your playstyle.

Once you learn to stop dying, you usually don't even need your second bot.

>>6274180
You're playing against shit sturbangers then. I use one; the idea is to get high ground and shoot DOWN on the airs. There's very few maps where this is not possible and with broad radar it's nigh impossible to sneak up on me. If you DO sneak up on me because you're off the radar entirely I'm going to be a frustrating asshole and jump off my high perch so you're not just dealing with me but all my allies that are down there.

If you STILL shoot me full of shit you're either a brave man and you'll die with me or my teammates suck.

>>6274481
Are you wulfgar? And yeah, I am pretty sure I killed your sturbangers before even when you are playing together with your /m/ people.

>get this weapon
>join glacier night
>spent entire round lobbing balls at arts from outside their range/on ledges
>they mad
>they die and respawn as ouka/ivis trying to ambush me
>lob balls at ivis/ouka for 60 damage
>they never catch me
>round ends
>no death, ranked 5th

most satisfying game. ever.

>>6274443
But if you don't die, you don't get lots of points.

>>6276393
isn't mega beam cannon just a stardust that you have to charge up?

>>6276479

What? If you do a ton of damage, wouldn't it be better if you also didn't die? You need to learn how to survive AND kill enemies even if you have hardly any health left.

>>6276596
And no splash damage and smaller bullets. Not to mention that the chargeup already makes it harder to aim.

I.e. shit.

>>6276657
There is nothing to learn. This isn't fucking quake where you can kill someone with one shot and dodge everything thrown at you, here you can think you dodged something or hid behind cover only to get hit anyway.

Unless you're fucking Neo.

And the time you spend running away you could be spending dealing damage.

>>6276596
Yes, but Stardust is LL so only Large Air can use it. Still, though, I can't help but think if you're doing that, using a Stardust on a large Stealth unit or going with a different weapon would be "better", psychological warfare aside.

>>6276784
>This isn't fucking quake where you can kill someone with one shot
I always thought that too but then I watched a stream of a quake tournament and people were living a suprisingly long time

Where's a good place to get weapons? I'm not liking the damage I'm dealing with the Crimrose default weapons and there isn't anything good in the shops for her.

>>6276879

Wide beam gun is the best. I still use it on my Seraph and consistently get top ranks.

Garapon can give you some good weapons if you have the cash. Aim for the auto beam rifle or paralyzer. I've seen some S AIR running with mini bazookas as well. Might want to try that out too.

>>6276784

Sure, lag screws you over a lot, but if you move in unpredictable ways and pay attention to your surroundings (the sniper sight and radar invisibility carts too) you will live much longer. Most of the time I don't die at all.

Although, it's easiest with air bots, so if you are playing something else, you need to pay attention even more.

>>6276879
Laser is good, particle gun is decent, plasma is good. I think those are in the shop.

>>6276890

Oh. I've been using that and for some reason I don't notice damage done until after about 20 or so shots. I'll look into the other weapons though. Also, would you recommend I get rid of the Rapier for another melee weapon or another gun?

>>6276902


When I used Crim I replaced the rapier with a cutter just so I'd be able to kill trees and stuff if I ran out of ammo. A laser makes a good secondary weapon for taking out Ivises and cardfags. It all depends on whether you want to keep cost down or not.

>>6276902
Put accel/air roll. Get it to lvl10 -> seraph.
Once you get accel/air roll you can probably last till end of the round.
Just dual wield laser, beam rifle, zooka, paralyzer and etc.
Take your pick, they are all good weapon.
Stick with auto beam rifle if you want high damage score.

>>6276956
I replaced the rapier with a Beam Sword and the Beam Sword and the Beam Sword with a Slash Blade.

But that was in OB1, a simpler time where Toyboxes roamed the open plains oblivious to their surroundings.

Paralyzer is an outdated weapon now, I tried using it again on my s air and its only really good for that temple site map to know everyone down and die.

A handy bazooka does a better job stunning other s air, and the damage makes them turn 360 degrees and walk the other way.

>>6277728

I love my tiny 20 tgh airbot. Running straight through that and screwing with everybody.

>>6276999
how do you activate the air loop?

>>6277728
I made a triple X2 paralyze tuned paralyzer. I have not seen it fail once in stunning other airs and making them fall to the ground on the first shot. Its cost is horrendous though.

>>6279053

When you're in the air, double tap.

This consumes your boost gauge, just so you know.

>>6279053
Activate as in how do you use it in battle, or how do you put it on your bot?

To put it on your bot first buy the air loop, then go to "items" and use it, then select the bot you want to upgrade.
Then, select your bot on the main garage screen and customise it, and it should then be ready to level up - select the air loop cartridge and finish leveling up.

You can now use air roll! Dash midair to activate.

>>6279138
But paralysers have shit damage and thus unless you have friends around won't do much. Handy Bazookas pack a much greater punch and fire much faster. You can fire two volleys with handy zookas in the time it takes a paralyser to do the damage of one bazooka shot, probably.

>>6276956
Also, melee on a crim is wasting points. Get it to a seraph and use the terrible built in weapon to kill trees (or even cactuses if you have decent health).

>>6279162
My seraph also holds a handy bazooka on hand despite the paralyzer's already ludicrous cost. Without either of the weapons on hand my Seraph has about 20 tec and 40 fly and 330 spare cost. It's only level 9 though so it doesn't have sniper sight yet. Any other weapons you guys would recommend besides handy bazookas? I have a lot of spare cost if I don't use that paralyzer.

>>6279162
>Dash midair to activate.
Fuck, they should explain these things. Thanks.

>>6279195
Auto Beam Rifle is pretty ridiculous in damage sometimes, I have a seraph with similar stats to yours (20tec 40fly) and with 2 of them equipped and can get 3k+ damage in a game on some maps.

Other than that most other strong beam weapons like Plasma Gun, Limited Plasma Gun, Wide beam gun mod, and Power Shooter are good choices. Still need to test it out but that new multi-curve gun might have some potential.

>>6279195
>330 spare cost
What the fuck?
Why arent you at 40tec yet?

>>6279240
That's with weapons unequipped. If you he wants to carry two decent guns with upgrades there probably won't be much cost leftover. 40tec is overrated anyways.

>>6279246
>40tec is overrated
More like 40fly is overrated.
You can compensate your lack of fly with propeller bits.
You cant do that with damage.

>>6279251
Fly increases flight speed.

>>6279251
>>6279254

Depends on the weapon, really. For weapons with less than 15 force, the difference between 20 Tec and 40 Tec is only about 4 damage per shot. Weapons with more than 20 force see a difference of 8 or more damage per shot.

Still, though, for most Air 30 Tec is sufficient to boost your damage ratio and still leave you enough tune points to boost Fly and Tgh.

>>6279195
PROTIP: If you take two of the same weapon you lose versatility but your damage output is maximised in any single all-weapon volley, since they'll run dry at exactly the same time. You'll also boost your main weapon ammo stock because you'll have twice of your main weapon. I roll with dual handy bazookas but anything goes.

>>6279432 Depends on the weapon, really.
Keep in mind that the firing rate is also a factor. A weapon with higher force tends to have a slower firing rate, so the gain in damage per second might be similar to that of a faster, weaker weapon.

>>6279468
That's true, but on the whole MOST air weapons have a pretty analogous firing rate (baring funky factors like the Blasters' scattering bolts or the Large Air weapons like Stardust). The Auto Beamrifle and ABR-mod are probably the oddest out of the bunch in that they fire a quick three-round volley of shots compared to the slow but steady firing rate of the other beam weapons.

>>6279524
If all 3 ABR shots connect, they equal one full exposure of the Powered Laser.

>>6280773
That's a huge IF

>>6281670
>sadfrog.jpg
You will never have a Frog Lander Girl in your commando.

Greinaut HD has got to be one of the most unfabulous heads I've ever seen, but I have to run it to be a min/max faggot.

Any other HDs with similar stats that don't have abso-fucking-lutely retarded polygons?

>>6282267
>polygon edit
Use it.

>>6282270
Greinaut's polygons are retarded, though. It's a nightmare to make any shape out of it that's not some sort of box.

>>6282267
Greinault HD or HD2?

Also, what type of bot are you running it on?

>>6282276

Put all the vertices on a single point and pretend to be headless.

>>6282324
Or move the whole thing up so it looks like your head is floating. You know what? Make it round too, and paint an eye on it and pretend it's the eye of sauron.

>>6282323
HD on a Pacifar.

I found a nice replacement in the meantime (with a little help from more tuning, oh boy). Thanks for your time, guys.

>>6282383
Whoops, HD2. I think HD would've been workable shapewise, but HD2 is just like a plow.

>>6282353
I'm so fucking doing that on my Amateus.

>>6282386
HD 2 is 2 tec 2 fly... there's the Garulabird HD (1 Str, 2 Tec, 2 Fly, 30HP), but it costs more.

And is also, y'know, a BIRD. There's several with 1 tec and 2 fly, or 2 tec and 1 fly if you need to prioritize one over the other.

Everything is air and anti air now, this game is no longer fun at all. It's just lasers and stardusters everywhere.

There are no land, there are no arts, just damned airs.

>>6282563
what about cardhoppers? and Ivises? And Oukas?

Yeah I'm being ironic here.

>>6282568
Come on really? it's all air now with 2 cardhoppers and 3 ivis's.

Don't tell me it isn't because it is.

>>6282563
I wish it was all air, then I could have a field day with destructor girl

>>6282586
Well get on your destructor girl then because all I see are large air and the small air that hunt them.

>>6282563
>There are no land
then who was Ivis?

>>6282627
Are we even playing the same game? Serious. There's like 2 Ivis a handfull of card hoppers and the rest is air. You run around with an Ivis and you're dead because 200,000 stardusters and lasers and auto beam rifles and gwain multi cannon things in your face. You play an art and it's nothing but the same. Either you switch over to air and do the same or you die so everyone's switching to air.

>>6282475
Yeah, it was the extra cost that prevented me from going with the Garula and Pacifar heads.

Also, I'm still seeing tons and tons of non-airs. It's just not cool for Ivis to be able to take them out of the sky with her melee attack. I try my best to kite and then out of nowhere an attack that's not even near me grazes and stuns me and then it's a mad dash to hit my wonderbit/brickgale bs to airdash out of there.

>>6282563
I think it's kind of deceptive. Once you hit Silver Hero there's usually only one room available to you and you always face the same people because it's the only room available to them, too.

There's no variety left. You can glance at the player list in no-rank-limit Shuffle and reliably predict who will win because it's the same people using the same bots every game.

It's become stagnant. I can see the game becoming another Ragnarok Online before long, a glorified chat room with silly hats and a dull, repetitive game that nobody really wants to play attached to it.

well shit I got almost 3 million from this tree event. it would have been closer to 4 but I wasn't paying attention and ended up losing 800k.

>>6283153
Ohhhh, right. I'll go back to ranked rooms until I level too high then. See if that improves my odds.

>>6283200
Dear god man, the most I've ever gotten was 200k and that was last week. I didn't even try tonight because I know there's no point. Lagging for 2 hours so I can get at most enough money to do nothing is not my idea of a good time.

>>6283215

I think most people came out pretty well tonight. Almost everyone from my clan got 3 mil+

>>6283153
Oh god, this is a completely different game in ranked rooms. I've been playing unranked so I can be with my guild and forgotten how the lower players don't know how to play.

>>6283215
I got about that much too in the previous events but this time the gms were being more generous so I got a lot more.

OH BOY! CHEERLEADER ROBOTS!

OH NO! I CAN'T PUT POM-POMS ON CRIM-CHAN!

>>6283434
>>6283247
>>6283215
>>6283200
It's because of the x3 multiplier from the last GM battle. All the gold you pick up is multiplied by 3.

>>6283462
yeah but I got closer to 10x as much as I was before. the gms were spawning a lot more trees this time instead of being faggots. right at the end one of them was making forests of 5k uc and rainbow chip trees in the middle of the map.

>Maintenance complete
>Logs in
>No new items
>Brought 1 million worth of tuning crap, UC/Exp tickets, WB, parts that I like for looks
>Logs out
Good bye OB2. See you in OB3.

Why the hell did they change the treasure routes just before the end

>>6282563
True story.
I just raped everyone in my untune disgusting L ART recently. I was like smirking all the way as the airs just dropped with 2 blast of my bazookas.

>>6284680
of course you can do well with art when there's no ivis around

>>6284732
Ivis is nothing, the card hopping faggots are way more dangerous.

>>6284752
I don't know I seem to have an easier time killing them with my saggitary than my crimrose

Oh boy, seems like Lily is really getting a promotion

>>6284859
damn I better level mine up while we still have 3x rates then

>>6284859

So which is superior: Majalis or regular?

>>6284885
I wouldn't know. I'm not a Lily player. Also, found a clearer version. Doesn't the other person seem like a demonic harpie version of Crimrose?

>>6284859
where the fuck are her robonipples? Are her silicone buffers so saggy that they're pointing straight down?

>>6284897
>robo
>nipples
In Ivis Break, you can only have one.

>>6284897

She's wearing a shirt. Erect nipples would be too lewd

>>6284893
Chaos Crimrose, maybe.

I don't get why Chaos gets all the hate, though. I mean, he just has an unfortunate penchant for recruiting batshit insane robots as his henchmen.

I'd definitely support a Chaos faction.

>>6284996
If you think about it, the Arks are the bad guys. Supposedly, the Arks went into a hibernation or something, so Chaos conquered the universe. Now the Arks awaken, piss off at Chaos for taking over their world, and summons "heroes" to reclaim "their" universe.

If possible, I'd side with Chaos too. Darkness = OP.

>>6284893
Lily Rain Promo AND a Harpy monstergirlbot.

Goddamn it, CyberStep, stop reading my mind....

>>6284893
Clearerer version.

>>6284859
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

>>6284954
She has to wear something. You can't have sideboob if it's nude.

And Lily's not Lily without sideboob.

>>6285155
That reminds me. Didn't Ivis have blue hair and similar hair style as Lily when she was younger? I recall seeing her like that in her childhood video.

I finally noticed why my aim is so poor when I play with non-guided weapons. It's all thanks to the misleading auto lock-on and specially the nearly-impossible to distinguish scope reticle.
Next beta I'll try to modify the reticle images to make them stand out more.

>>6285169
Ivis = Lily

>modify the reticle images
How are you planning to do that?

>>6285188
with my h4x skillz

>>6285116
I'm getting some valkyrie vibes there

Can't wait to IT SHALL BE ENGRAVED UPON YOUR SOUL

>>6285116
Wait, is she holding a sword or or gun? Also yay more power creep.

>>6284878
Since this is just now coming to Japan and enCB still hasn't gotten many bots and things such as the alternate hair colors for Seraph Crimrose and likely never will till it's out of beta I wouldn't imagine we'll see a Lily upgrade while in beta.

Personally I want my silver haired Seraph Crimrose.

>>6285253
Well, it might be an Ouka/Ouka Dayu kind of upgrade.

>>6285274
I don't know, we're going pretty fast. I expect getting up to at least the Frau Adone/Herr Viktor Garapon by the end up OB3.

This beta was rather disappointing in the number of new bots. I'm hoping OB3 opens up with a ton of new shit. I also want to fap to translated Packet

>>6285274
No, enCB will most likely get Lily Rain promotion as soon she comes out on jbCB. In a company's standpoint, Cyberstep will most likely be marketing their newer bots (and translating them first) instead of bots no one will use. Chibi were just out not long ago in jbCB, and they're already in enCB. It's almost guaranteed that the chibi HD accessories, swimsuit, and the new Airs be in OB3.

Why would we have an OB3? The game is a lot better than it was before. What's left to test?

>>6285319

A sizable number of new bots and weapons. There are two mates that you can get besides the 3 union leaders which need to be translated as well

>>6285274
>things such as the alternate hair colors for Seraph Crimrose
What I'm having trouble understanding is what takes them so long to add these (unless they're just not releasing them because they can). Once you've gotten the translation and modification for one, the different hair color models should be no work at all.

>>6285253
It looks like a gun to me. An Art with a built in sword would be... odd. Unless it was something like an improved shock knife for and odd anti-melee subrole.

>>6285319
OB3 has been announced since the end of the first Open Beta. There's still PLENTY to add and test before the game goes live.

>>6285339
>An Art with a built in sword would be... odd.

She already has a built in physical blade things and is described as a psychic. It could be some sort of psyblade thing that shoots out homing daggers.

Not to mention Lily is already odd for having more fly than most small AIR.

>>6285319 What's left to test?
The potential customers.

>>6285310 chibi HD accessories
I think I may have seen one of those in enCB already, probably came from one of those mystery boxes.

>>6285348
I should correct myself:
>An Art with a built in sword that didn't suck would be... odd.

>>6285400
Stock Lily's Psy-slicer is crap, but the Majalis' is decent for harrying ground targets that stand still... which is basically none of them.

The biggest broad-spectrum balance issue in the Open Betas so far has been the phenomenal speeds that EVERY bot has been able to achieve because of the massive amount of tuneup materials and money the players have. Nobody fields a small or Large air with less than 30 fly, and most don't bother without 40... 40 WLK or 30 and Boost run is almost a prerequisite for non-hopping lands... not to mention fucked up builds like 40 Fly Destructors and Lilys.

It's like having to play the game on fastforward.

>>6285586
Well, what you're seeing is basically the "elite" on jpCB. People who have been playing for a long ass time and have ground out the UC and materials to tune their bots to perfection. It's just we got to that point in a week instead of a year because of the treespam events and no bastagant tickets required for boss runs.

>>6285611
True, but with that year's tuning would also come a commensurate year's PRACTICE...

We've got players dropping into the middle of this with no idea how to play their bots despite them being "elite tuned"... and, yeah, I'm counting myself in that for several things. The nuance of melee still eludes me, I spend most of my time swinging at air (though I admit that's mostly from playing two matches as melee, getting frustrated, and going back to my Winberyl)

>>6285678
That's what I did with my first Lnd bots as well. Really enjoyed playing L Art too, but OB2's meta has become too Lnd heavy to play with the ones I had in OB1 (too tuned for damage, not enough mobility). Given I didn't want to build new Arts from the ground up I chose to pick back up my Lnd bots. I still end up hitting air more often than I'd like, but I'm improving.

>>6285310
Oh cool, I was unaware Chibis were so new. I look forward to Laz-chan and swimsuit Coco Gaap

11313

>>6284859
>>Dizzy vs Mu-12

I'll buy a hundred.

>>6288023

Scratch that, a thousand.

>>6288029

Good god just take all of my money NOW.

>>6288034
>>6288029
Quality on those isn't very good

>>6288049

Yea, these figs were made by regular players over on the jp site. I just lurked and stole the pics.

Still, I would love a Crimrose fig.

>>6285586
I think more people are tuning for dmg like TEC (40Tec being a prerequisite now for any air or art who wants to do damage). And who the makes 40fly air bots? That's overkill and sees much more diminishing returns than the other stats do.

Why do I keep getting teleported randomly when fighting Haku? Is it one of it's attacks? Sometimes I go through the entire fight without it happening.

>>6289475

>I not we

I'm guessing you're soloing Haku? Haku will teleport 1-2 random team members in and out of the battle area to fight against him while the others wait outside. Players outside can do nothing but watch and wait for their turn. (Or find the crack in the shield you can shoot through. Wonder if Cyberstep will ever fix that)

>>6289495

That must be it. I'm soloing it for experience so I can finally finish tuning my bots.