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th 8 imperishable night (IN)

Perfect Cherry Blossom.
Don't start with Imperishable Night

What the fuck is wrong with going in numerical order, seriously.

Any other fucking game people always start with the earliest and work their way up.

Why do you fucknuggets always ask on which to start on.

>>6437753

but isn't IN generally considered the easiest?

>>6437753
This.
Prepare your anus for stage 4+.

Start of the windows games, EoSD.

Most people start with PCB or IN.

Don't take on SA until you're confident, it's a particularly hard Touhou game.

>>6437756
That's why you shouldn't start with it.
You will get bad habits and will get double-fucked in the other games.

>>6437760
That goes for all Touhou games.

7 or 8. They're fairly basic mechanic wise, except for 8's time system but that's not required to beat the game. 8 is slightly easier, but the deathbomb mechanic can screw you up if you rely on it too much.

6 is ok but doesn't give you a visible hitbox while focused. Though after playing one of the other games for a bit you'll figure out where it is.

9 is a vs style game. Not very fun vs the CPU imo.

10 and beyond have little gimmicks that can mess you up.

Mkay, Ill start with Perfect cherry Blossom, thanks /jp/

>>6437771
But in PCB it goes from ultra easy to getting your ass handed to you by youmu with only the prismrivers to warn you of your terrible doom.

Unrelated question. Where does /jp/ recommend i download touhou's to prevent computer-aids?

>>6437805
i... fail to see how that is unrelated in the least bit

>>6437805
/rs/ is all you need.

>>6437809
>he trusts /rs/ to be virus free
>laughing girls.jpg

>>6437783
PCB bores me. It's basically a sleep walk until level 4, which takes far too long to just die at round 5.

>>6437811
no virus all clean (:

>>6437783
Don't get used to PCB's little shield that makes you able to take an extra hit. It's not in the other games. PCB kind of spoils you with lives and shields, although I miss the old point ticket = lives system.

>>6437814
>level 4, which takes far too long
Speaking of that, is there some way to speed up that part where you reach the barrier and the screen sits there til the Prisimrivers show up? I've never known if it was time based or waiting for some kind of input or I had to go touch the barrier or what. Its annoying as hell.

I think the games that came after EoSD aren't as good.

>>6437756
That's why you shouldn't start with it.

Start with EoSD, no visible hit boxes, no auto collect, most iconic character set with IN tieing for well known characters and most iconic sound track.

After EoSD do PCB and then skip to UFO. After that do SA and MoF. Then try IN last. You can do the spin-offs at your leisure.

tl;dr
EoSD
PCB
UFO
MoF
SA
IN

>>6437829


The reason for this is that EoSD and PCB are the classic bombing systems (so is IN but it teaches bad habits) and have a decent difficulty. Sure IN is easy but after getting used to that ease you'd get frustrated in the later games.

The bombing system changes completely in MoF and SA. The reason I chose UFO to go before MoF and SA is because UFO takes the bombing system of MoF and the classic ones to form a decent balance, that eases you into SA and MoF.

Another tip is not to use Reimu, use Marisa. Reimu teaches bad habits so I tend to avoid her. I hope this helps! My personal favorite is IN, that is one of the few games that flesh out the Touhou Universe and adds a foil to the Gensokyian society by introducing the lunarians. But like people said its easy enough to teach you bad habits that'll make other games more frustrating.

In terms of graphics UFO is the most polished and EoSD is rough around the edges (example, Cirno and Sakuya doing the wutang/east side sign, Hong being really really yellow). As for music, personally I like MoF's better but they're all fun to listen to.

Also I suggest you play on the easy setting first unless you're good at handling frustration. Then after you get the hang of it (form your strats and tips for patterns), try harder settings. Pace yourself. You'll die often and when you're feeling a bit down then do other stuff. Also try to have a healthy mix of primary works (The games followed by the written works by ZUN) and secondary works (remixes, illustration comics), that way you'd get the best of the series.

You can also get all the games in Nyatorrents.

Good luck man

I started with EoSD then went to MoF. MoF is easily the hardest game of the series in my opinion. I find PCB to be much easier than IN as well.

>>6437833
>Reimu teaches bad habits so I tend to avoid her.

Explain further.

>>6437833
This is my own opinion on this but
>The reason for this is that EoSD and PCB are the classic bombing systems (so is IN but it teaches bad habits) and have a decent difficulty. Sure IN is easy but after getting used to that ease you'd get frustrated in the later games.

IN has kind of the opposite effect. You get used to dodging things that are semi-random or aimed at you in the first two, then when you get to IN, it seems really difficult at times due to it relying a lot on gimmicky patterns. IN is really easy once you get used to it, yes, bu I played the games as they came out on windows so IN took some getting used to. I could see how other games could seem harder to get used to if you played IN first.

>Another tip is not to use Reimu, use Marisa. Reimu teaches bad habits so I tend to avoid her.
How so, may I ask? I use Marisa a lot and it's really hard to use other characters because you get used to Marisa's speed.

IN the PCB/EoSD games, only Marisa is fast enough to get items that have fallen past her before they go off screen, so it seems more like it would encourage relying on extra lives and speed to get out of situations, plus her powerful bomb. You actually have to use the POC with other characters.

I'll just tell you that in terms of difficulty it goes
IN < PCB < MoF <<< SA < EoSD < UFO

>>6437859
>reimu A
>never move anywhere, only dodge bullets in the center of the screen

>>6437879
EoSD is not harder than SA.

>>6437829
>EoSD
>no auto-collect
Eh? It's no different from PCB's autocollect.

>>6437898
Because Reimu A is the only kind of Reimu, right?
Sten Needle all day erry day, unless it's EoSD.

>>6437879

Actually it depends on the person and there's no "fixed" difficulty ranking.

Personally I'd say:

IN < PCB < EoSD < MoF < UFO <<<< SA

>>6437909
>"fixed" difficulty ranking.

Here's one:
Games where the bombs don't drain your power < games where bombs drain your power < games where you have to charge your bomb up before you can use it.

>>6437920
>games where you have to charge your bomb up before you can use it.
what

>>6437921
Shoot the Bullet, Double Spoiler, Fairy Wars (Charging by button press and waiting for it to fill)

Phantasmagoria of Flower View, Phantasmagoria of Dimension Dream (You have to shoot stuff to fill the bar and then hold the button to use the bomb at whatever level)

They aren't really bombs so much as special attacks, but I refer to them as such for my point.

I personally dislike charging.

Is it just me, or does Reimu have ಠ_ಠ eyes at the starting screen of MoF?

>>6438040

It's just you

I played IN first, I'd recommend it.

Its not the first one I beat, but its one of the easier ones. Plus its fun and has great music.

my first one was SA
that one is fun.

>>6437833
I assume you mean it teaches bad habits because the death-bomb window is so long?

>>6437754
Because no one commented on this, because 1 isn't a danmaku game, and 2 isn't very fun.

Real men start with UFO lunatic.

>>6437823
It starts at the same time, everytime. Hopefully your game doesn't suffer from slowdown and you can listen to the music to know when they'll pop up. Also, in practice mode the BGM starts about half a second late.

Just try them all and play whichever you feel like.
PCB and MoF are on the easier side, so if you want to ease your way in that might be what you're looking for. SA is generally considered the hardest game of the series so for a beginner it might be frustrating. The rest of the games fall in between. Just try and see.

Also, playing some other danmaku shmups from time to time helps so try to find a few you like. There are some real gems out there. If you're new to the genre you will probably have spend a lot of time to build up your skills but if you like the games you should be able to keep at it. And if you don't, well, just don't play them. You can still enjoy whatever Touhou related material you like.

>Speaking of that, is there some way to speed up that part where you reach the barrier and the screen sits there til the Prisimrivers show up?

I'm pretty sure it is time based. I've tried both flying around and just waiting, and both took the same time.

If you want to get real technical, Playing GENETOS on any difficulty higher than standard(Programmer etc) is the best since it teaches you to dodge bullets and not focus on killing.

Also, a nice way to measure your skill is playing a game you haven't touched in months for a few days. When suddenly all your high scores are from last week you know you got better.
Feels pretty good when I see that happen even if I'm not 1ccing the games left and right. So if you feel like you're not improving try doing that and see for yourself.

>>6438892
>Also, a nice way to measure your skill is playing a game you haven't touched in months for a few days.
Whenever I do this, I forget how to even play the game(not shoot em ups, but other things like RTS, Fighting, 4X, etc)

>When suddenly all your high scores are from last week you know you got better.
I end up wondering how I got such a high score to begin with.

>>6438744
>Also, playing some other danmaku shmups from time to time helps so try to find a few you like.
This. Very this.
I played Hellsinker until I could 1cc through to stage 7, then when I went back to Touhou I 1cc'd EoSD for the first time, beat the extra in the same day, and then 2 days later beat PCB's Phantasm stage. I haven't even tried IN, who knows if I'll be any better at that.

Story of Eastern Wonderland.

>>6439009
Well, it only works with games that are very similiar in some way. The closest example I can think of right now would be aiming in a FPS. It doesn't matter which FPS you play, your ability to aim quickly at the head of an enemy is pretty much the same.

Similarly, if you get better at dodging bullets in one shmup you will be able to dodge bullets better in any shmup you play. I also feel that a little bit of variety with the kind of bullet patterns you see is very educating but that might be just me.

>>6439021
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Although that is an improvement more extreme than I have observed on myself.

>>6439021
>I played Hellsinker
How? Is there a tutorial on this somewhere? I can't understand how to attack or even kill anything. The most I can do is "seal" stuff unless I play as that guy who can kill things by running into them and sometimes shoots things that crisscross the screen like that panther attack in Valkyrie Sky.

>>6438642
i enjoyed 2

>>6437754

IN, only IN. At least you'll be able to complete it.

I 1cced normal in IN, but fail even at easy on PCB.

Be a man and start with UFO like I did.

Hell, I can always look back on when I first started playing touhou, it was right when UFO came out and everyone was playing it.

Stage 3 beat my ass a fair but stage 4 raped my shit.

By the time I got good enough to pass 4, 5 wasn't a problem and I quickly moved onto the rapingly difficult final boss.

Though now I can count on one hand the number of spells in that game that kill me in any frequency.

Flying Fantastica (Byakuren's final)
Ultimate Vasjra (Pentultimate for that tiger-bitch)
Rainbow UFOs of terror (Stop copying Flandre's hardest spell)
and Thunderous Yell (Ultimate in stage 3).

I started off with Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil back when I thought there would be a plot to Touhou and didn't want to fuck up the story line. Couldn't get the PC98 titles at that time

>>6439952
If only we lived in a world where Beavis and Butthead reviewed video game and youtube music also. I could only imagine what they'd say to Guilty Gear or Vocaloid music.

>>6439132
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=26334

Enjoy one of the best doujin shmups ever.

>>6439952

I started with UFO. I sadly still suck massively. Although when I started out I couldn't even beat the first stage because I didn't know how to focus, and now I can get to stage 5 and then die there. Massive improvement. Then again, I've only played once every couple of days at first and only recently have I been playing at least one round a day.

>>6438892
I stopped playing for like 2 months and now I got supershit. Feels bad man.

Start by reading this.

>>6441112
I wasn't talking about not playing at all, just mixing it up and playing different games. But I don't see how not playing for 2 months would make you much worse.
Sure, you might forget some subtleties about how the stages are laid out but other than that?

Play in order, from TH2 to TH12, and all games in between. You can give TH1 a try too, but its kinda completely different than the rest of the series.

If you don't feel like PC98ing it up, start from 6 and work your way up. People that tell you to play out of order are retarded. There is pretty much no reason to do so.

If you find a game too hard to clear, skip it for a while and move onto the next one, then come back to it. Its pretty much self explanatory.

>>6443137
>People that tell you to play out of order are retarded.
>If you find a game too hard to clear, skip it for a while and move onto the next one, then come back to it.

...

>>6443140

That doesn't invalidate what I said. There is no reason to start out of order since you'll probably end up playing everything anyway, but if you find something too hard and it becomes a wall that prevents you from moving on, there is nothing wrong with trying another game for a while. Especially if the alternative is to quit the series.

If you really WANT to start out of order, go ahead. There's just no good reason to tell someone to skip over some of the best entries of the series just because you think they are "hard".

What is difficult to understand about this? Or do you just fail at logic?

>>6443159
I was just ribbing, dude. Sorry to make you mad.

>>6443164

Then I am sorry I over-reacted. Hug?

>>6443165
>>6443164

You're both gay.

>>6443165
All is forgiven.

The love in this thread.
It's a beautiful thing.

>>6443168
Do you want to be gay with us?

>>6443200
I'm not him, and I don't identify as gay, but I'd want to perform oral sex on you, it's been four months since the last time I did that on someone.

>>6443300
Ah. Well, if it's you, Anonymous, I don't mind~...

>>6438757
>it teaches you to dodge bullets and not focus on killing.

Not true. If you kill everything fast enough, you don't have any bullet to dodge. Many bullet patterns are generated with random numbers, which means, no matter how good you are in dodging, you are bound to get hit sometime. Meanwhile, I rarely see enemies changed their summoning position. You can always be sure you'll kill it there, before it even shoots, meaning perfect execution.

AW YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

>>6443527
Now go beat extra

>>6443527
Motherfucker. You stole my victory from an hour ago, didn't you? At least tell me you're not op.

Are we having a Let's Play PCB thread now? I'll see what I can do.

Holy hell, I'm so much better at this game than when I was trying to 1cc Normal for the first time. It's horrific.

Fun notes: I actually got the last life to fill out the bar from the maybe 15 or so points items you get during 30% Reflowering, and I was just about to capture it... but broke a Supernatural Border in the last 4 seconds ;_;

>>6444272
I know that feel. You did slightly better than me though. Maybe I should stop seeing how close to a boss I can get when I have a supernatural border.

>>6444516
I had a really lucky supernatural border on the giant mass of enemies and bullets and points items right before midboss Youmu on stage 6, that's probably part of what made me just barely beat your score, even though you had more grazes and cherry.

After not playing Touhou for probably a year, I played through 4 games:

SA - 1cc (beat my high score)
MoF - Game Over at Aya
PCB - Game Over at Youmu
IN - 1cc (0 lives, 0 bombs left)

SA confirmed for easiest game. My MoF run probably would have gone better if I bombed more recklessly. My PCB run was ruined since Stage 2 with Chen killing me twice.

>>6445277
SA seems like it gets easier after a lot of practice than the others do. Could just be me.

>>6445277

>>6444516 here
I can't 1cc SA normal with Marisa B.

>>6445277
Someone is only as good at a touhou game as they are prepared to face the specific spell cards.

Some argue UFO is the hardest but I claim it's the easiest, simply because there's pretty much nothing the game can throw at me I won't see coming.

The same goes for Ex bosses, I feel Nue is the easiest since she's the only one I've beaten.

http://www.amazon.com/Expert-Touhou-Signature-Edition-Grazing-Techniques-Solutions/dp/391746508

>>6445336
When I beat my first Ex-boss, I knew Ran was easier.

>>6445336
She is pretty easy. The only card that's more difficult than pretty much any of the other EX boss cards besides I guess Mokou is rainbow UFOs.
Screw that card. At least you get a decent advantage per bomb.

>>6445361
Well, yeah, but that's the point of Ran. PCB's Phantasm is roughly as difficult as the others' Extras, so of course an easier version would be easier.

I'm sorry, I must post this because I'm too happy right now, at last I was able to beat Nue decently, now I can fap to her without remorse.

>>6445377
I have the worst luck against Nue. I still can't beat her. I once lost 2 lives from being in the wrong place when the lasers of the beginning of a phase spawned.

>>6445385
Of Heiankyou Nightmare, I mean.

>>6445385
Don't they fade in for a second or so before the hitbox turns on?

>>6445404
Yes. Anyone who manages to get hit by the lasers is a spaz.

>>6445427
I just did it again. Lost 2 lives to Green UFO, 2 on Rainbow, and my last in the exact same way on those lasers. My first to Kogasa, who I can still only bomb my way through.

>>6445481
dude where are your fucking replays that is fucking ridiculous fuck

>>6445504
Didn't save that one, but I have an older one. I've probably even uploaded one before. I've often ranted about my inability to beat Nue.

>>6445513
okay then minimalist nue run time

>>6445481
>Lost 2 lives to Green UFO
What shot type? Are you hitting the UFOs to give yourself a path to dodge through the lasers?
Also, do be sure to use bombs there, you get a huge advantage when they kill a full wave of green UFOs and Nue just kinda sits there getting hit.

>>6445513
Ah! I just beat her!

But fucking UFO had to crash after I beat her so I couldn't save a replay. Goddammit, ZUN.

>>6445618
I actually forgot to save a replay the first time I beat Nue, because it didn't pop a "Save replay?" screen and I habitually just returned to menu.
At least I beat her later with Reimu A instead of Sanae B and remembered to save.

OP, shoot the bullet and double spoiler are the best games because they focus on the series` strengths and cut out the boring ass stages

>>6445646
>unloved friendless slut.jpg

>>6445646
Honestly the massive exploit in DS's scoring system ruined the entire game for me.

The five PC-98 games
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil
Perfect Cherry Blossom
Imperishable Night
and Hisoutensoku.

Fuck, everything else those are the good ones.

Maybe Shoot The Bullet can stay too.

>>6445684
StB is leagues beyond SoEW.

>>6445384
Heh, I finally beat her decently too today.

By "decently" I mean with more than fragments under one life.

It bumped my score up a whole 100 million.

>>6445701
Forgot my proof

>>6445686
Lotus Land Story isn't exactly breathtaking, but I'd still rather play it than most of the newer ones.

And I don't care what anyone says, Highly Responsive to Prayers is fucking brilliant.

>>6445715
I don't like HRtP, personally, but it's so fucking peculiar that I am down with anyone who does.

>>6445715
Yeah, LLS is good. I said SoEW.

>>6445760 it's so fucking peculiar
That's why it's one of my favorites.

The Touhou shooting games are pretty good, but there are better shooters.

The Touhou fighting games are fun, but there are better fighting games.

HRtP is completely original and there is no other game similar to it as far as I know.

>>6445768
Story of Eastern Wonderland isn't exactly breathtaking, but I'd still rather play it than most of the newer ones.

I had a little brainslip and I was hoping no one would notice, but still, I stand by it.