/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Hasn't been voted yet so shut the fuck up.

>>6616769
>>>/a/
>shitkakucomplex

Once upon a time, one would read the board and make sure the intended topic didn't already have a thread posted.

Once upon a time.

The law doesnt affect Eroge Nor Touhou.
Thus, its not /jp/ related; go to /a/

>>>/co/21866947
>>>/a/43509080

>sankakucomplex

kill yourself

99% of the manga and anime I watch is hentai anyway

Did sankakucomplex every actually contain news? Or at least admit it was a blog?

I searched for a comment, hoping at least one of these people took the time to point out that the article was completely false on the main point - that the bill has actually been passed. I didn't find this though:
>damn thats a fucking culture destroyer right there. As long as one piece, bleach and naruto ok I might be able to accept it. But damn to actually do it I mean some stuff deserves it but to make it so vague is mega issue.

I just can't take it easy anymore. I mean, look at the OP. See you around, /jp/.

>>6616851
To be fair there's no way it won't pass.

>>6616851
>Did sankakucomplex every actually contain news? Or at least admit it was a blog?

It was actually blog-like at first. Go back to its first page with the oldest posts and shit brix.

I'm sure sooner or later they'll realize kneecapping a multibillion dollar industry is a bad idea and they'll either repeal it or never enforce it

>>6616831
THIS.

I, for one, am happy with this ban, since it affects /a/ while it let us out of harm.

anyone got that guide on how to kill yourself painlessly with gold cleaner?

>>6616864
Since Japan has been kneecapping the economy since the lost decade anyway, I think we're fucked.

I miss rozen aso

I searched and the only two sources for this supposed billl passing today come from Sansaku and Kotaku. Considering none of them ever cite anything they post, I'm reluctant to believe this.

Besides, I'm not Japanese and don't live in Tokyo so who gives a fuck? All it does is prohibit the sale of loli material to those UNDER the age of 18, it does not ban the production. Try reading the bill you cretins.

>Besides, I'm not Japanese and don't live in Tokyo so who gives a fuck?

Tokyo is where the market is, and companies aren't going to make anime and manga that they can't even sell there

>All it does is prohibit the sale of loli material to those UNDER the age of 18, it does not ban the production.

Actually it censors everything illegal, immoral, or sexual in everything that isn't explicit porn.

>>6616883
You just need to pretend that your little girl friend is actually a robot or something. Then you can buy her loli material.

>>6616883
For one, most anime will no longer be allowed to air.

>sankakucomplex

>>6616769
English is not your native language, right?

>>6616883
>Try reading the bill you cretins
Have you? I don't think so.

Also,

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/news/20101213-OYT1T00472.htm

Bill hasn't passed general assembly. Shit goes to final vote in 2 days. Or a day. I forget if Japan is a day ahead or behind.

>>6616893
>most anime will no longer be allowed to air
This is what people who don't bother to read the articles actually believe.

I was planning on killing myself after the internet got heavily regulated to the point where it was just youtube and facebook, but with this news I guess I'll go a little sooner.

>>6616897
You're sure a retard when it comes to timezones. It's technically happening tomorrow (in over 24 hours time), it's still early morning tuesday in japan

>>6616892

>>6616888
>Actually it censors everything illegal, immoral, or sexual in everything that isn't explicit porn.

Are you forgetting, everything sexual is already censored in Japan?

Again, I found not a single real news website that says anything about this bill passing. Link me to an official news release not anime/video gaming blogs and I'll believe you that it's illegal.

And, less they revised the bill after it failed the first time, the ban will only halt the sale to minors not ban it out right.

>>6616900
You're the one who hasn't read them, I assume you just saw "buy" and decided that that was the only word you needed to know about the matter. That, or you think that a bill can't possibly be so bad. Typical non-voter attitude. Well, it is.

>>6616906
>the ban will only halt the sale to minors not ban it out right

Close. It will ban people from making things "harmful to minors" that they could have access to. Everything but porn

>>6616906
> I found not a single real news website
See--
>>6616897

Also, I don't think you're fully understanding the scope of what "censored" means as it applies to this situation.

>>6616911
You forget that everything is porn.

The worst thing this bill will ever do to me are these very threads.
Fuck every single one of you, get back to /a/.

>>6616913
Nope.

PROTIP: NO BILL WAS PASSED, IT WAS ONLY PASSED ON TO A GREATER ASSEMBLY IN GOVERNMENT TO BE VOTED ON THIS WEDNESDAY.

IT DIDN'T PASS THE FIRST TIME.

IT DIDN'T PASS THE SECOND TIME.

IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS THE THIRD TIME.

>>6616910
"Most anime" does not involve rape and incest.

We have eroge for that.

>>6616917
They throw porn into everything just to sell it, it seems.

>>6616902
I don't have the guts to do it. I just go to bed every night hoping I die in my sleep, and feel sad when I wake up

>>6616924
If it gets the 18+ label, it will kill sales. Publishers would rather not sell it at all than do that

>>6616920
Only this time the majority supports it (something like 200 to 8).

>mfw OP is a faggot

>>6616930
On the contrary, people who make stuff without random sex scenes go out of business. KID, for example.

IT DIDN'T PASS THE FIRST TIME.

IT DIDN'T PASS THE SECOND TIME.

IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS THE THIRD TIME.

>>6616944
>>6616934

>>6616934
Source?

>>6616934
>>6616945
Cool source fearmonger.

IT DIDN'T PASS THE FIRST TIME!

IT DIDN'T PASS THE SECOND TIME!

IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS THE THIRD TIME!

Naoto Kan himself just recently commented on the issue; he doesn't want it to pass because he recognizes the anime industry as being important or something like that.

If they go against the will of the PM after this and pass it anyway, then maybe Kan is a lame-duck shoe-in after all.

>>6616960
>If they go against the will of the PM

Do they normally do that? I don't follow japanese politics, but I assume japs are the "oh shit the highest-ranked guy said not to do it we'd better listen guys" type

ITT none of you understand how hilariously bureaucratic the Japanese political system is. I bet none of you are old enough to vote in your own countries.

Bills come and go every other fucking week. This is just the DJP trying to rake in the more conservative voters by appealing to them. However, the Japanese economy is FUCKED right up and they know how valuable the manga industry is to them.

This bill has come and gone a few times over the past 2 years, so believe me when I say it won't get passed.

>>6616970
They do what the zaibatsus tell them to do.

>>6616970

They've had 4 different PMs voted in the past 12 months. Japanese politics is a mess.

>>6616975
Japan's economy has been fucked since the bubble burst. Japan has a habit of legislating away economic progress, thinking it'll actually help.

Thinking that they'll do something economically sensible is foolish, as they rarely ever do.

The Japanese economy is fucked because Japs are fucking lazy.

4chan ate my post so fuck it, short version

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/bill-156-locked-to-go-prime-minister-expresses-concern-
as-final-vote-comes-on-wednesday/

>>Japanese politicians usually vote along parties lines, especially if the leadership has decided its policy regarding the legislative agenda, as it is in the case here. You can expect the Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ), Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), and the New Komeito Party (NKP) to vote affirmative on the revision. Seikatsusha Network Mirai and the Japanese Communist Party will vote against the measure. As you can see in the math that I provided "here," the LDP & NKP + DPJ is almost 90% of the legislator, so it will most likely pass right through.

Publishers have declared they will fight to the last.

>>6617009
Says a /jp/ user, hah.

It would have been so much simpler to just make a new age category. "porn and everything else" is stupid in the first place

>>6617009
>lazy
NiggaWHAT?!

>>6617014
>wordpress

So far the only sources of info in this thread or Sansaku, Kotaku and a blog?

Yeah, saging hiding and reporting this thread now. I'll go back to enjoying my loli, retards.

>>6617021
They don't work, they just pretend to. You can't keep an economy running on pretending.

>>6617023
If you can read japanese i can post some news articles for you.

>>6617023

Forgot my sage, pity me.

>>6617023
http://itomasaki.air-nifty.com/masaki/2010/12/post-4da4.html

Here, DPJ guy saying they are ready to go. Simple math fills in the rest that the vote on the 15th is clear to go one way.

>>6617033

I'm fairly fluent so post away.

>>6617023
ANd fucking Yomiuri, a Japanese newspaper.
I must be getting filtered.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/news/20101213-OYT1T00472.htm

>>6617037
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20101211-00000006-mai-soci

>>6616769
>let's stand up for our rights

What rights would those be exactly?

>The most immediate and direct effect of the law will almost certainly be to see ecchi manga such as To Love-Ru, bishoujo titles such as Champion Red

Not a single fuck was given that d-

>and most BL manga
Oh...

Political science guy here, studied in Japan.

DJP were behind the bill last time and it didn't pass. Chances are it will pass this time around. However, Kan is already slipping and there have been calls for another election (which would be the 4th..5th this year? I forget). If it passes, it probably won't last more than a year before they decide to retract it next time they start fighting with each other. While loli material isn't exactly a valuable market compared to mainstream anime/manga it does bring in some money and it won't help the industry one bit if they ban the stuff like they propose. All they're doing is trying to please their voter base.

Anyway, this ban only effects Tokyo so it does not really matter. The production and distribution will still go on and even if it were to be completely banned, it would just move to the underground.

>>6617062
The problem is that harmful items will be prohibited from sale or rental in Tokyo so publishers and developers are likely to self-censor their work in order to avoid having to deal with the panel on whether or not their item is harmful as they want the biggest available purchaser base.

>>6617062
> which would be the 4th..5th this year? I forget.

Holy fuck. Why is Japan so politically unstable?

>>6617062
I thought I read somewhere that the material would become 18+, as in still legal to sell as porn, just not for publications that can be consumed by minors. Don't know enough japanese to figure out what's going on from the newspapers, and I don't really trust such newsworthy sources as shitkaku and a dodgy wordpress blog

>>6617074
Asia in general is politically unstable.

>>6617079
It actually has to be porn to get the 18+ rating. And even if stuff could simply be rebranded publishers would still opt to censor their work instead since an 18+ rating would tank sales

>>6617074
That still beats the fuck out of some countries where 150+ days after the election there's still no government (and the country is spiraling towards bankrupcy, but hey hey it sure does make for exciting news broadcasts)

>>6617074
>>6617084
Lies. Glories Nippon can do no wrong!

>>6617062
Also the only loli stuff getting affected are things like Mitsumodoe and Kodomo no Jikan. Straight out loli porn is going untouched for the moment, much like the rest of the porn. The OP's image could have been better chosen.

>>6617079
Making items 18+ cuts down hugely on their target purchasers. They will probably self-censor instead.

To put things in perspective, it's like if America suddenly decided to get rid of all video game ratings other than E and AO.

>>6617088
Yeah ok, I get that. I was just trying to confirm what I had read about it.

In any case, the whole thing in my opinion is about as retarded as it gets. It's just drawings.

>>6617093
That would sure cut down on the 12 year old mic spam.

>>6617093

>To put things in perspective, it's like if New York City suddenly decided to get rid of all video game ratings other than E and AO.

In other words, Californians don't give a shit.

>>6617093
And there aren't even any AO games because publishers want to sell in places like Walmart. Walmart says no to AO games.

>>6617099
That would be a valid analogy if over 1/10th of America's population lived in NY

>>6617074

It's not unstable it's just a mess. They were hit real hard by the recession so a lot of people are broke, out of work and pissed off. Their population is also aging faster than they can reproduce which is further hurting their economy especially in the long run. Until earlier this year the country was run by the LDJ ran the country for 54 years straight, until the DJP finally took over. The DJP is a fairly conservative, right-wing party so they're going to be attacking loli or anything else deemed morally wrong by their voter base.

The only reason the DJP is proposing such a bill is because they're right wing and find it appalling that stuff like this sells in stores.

Japan could cure its poor birth rate levels if they sold more loli. Culturally they're timid conservative people and need a shift in the collective morality.

>>6617099
IT's actually more like Redmond and other cities where games are produced, rather than New York City. NY isn't really known for its game developers.

ja it would even destroy such animes like Ore no imoto Panty Stockin ..To love ru..simply everithing with ecchi and school in it...ergo every fucking anime and manga ..also black lagoon "remember the vampire twins.. fabiola"

And WTF with Comiket ????

>>6617110
Holy shit, get out

>>6617107
Ishihara, Tokyo's governor and more or less "owner" of this bill is actually LDP. He's gotten DPJ to cross party lines "for the children."

>>6617110
I miss the meido. For whatever reason, underage b& was so much rarer back then.

are u fucking retardet or do u simple not recognize that censorship in Tokyo automatly is censorship in every other freaking city/country

>>6617119
I wish we could ban these people

It's funny because /jp/ doesn't give a shit, all our stuff is 18+ anyway.
Fuck anime and manga anyway, who cares?

>>6617121
a lot of us still read and watch animu mango even though we post on /jp/

>>6617110
>>6617119
You must be 18+ to browse 4chan.

is this jp or is this retarded dumbass section
u dont deserve the name otaku

>>6617121
I care, but I don't give a shit about the bill. Censoring and banning didn't do shit to get rid of CP, jsut drove it underground.

I'm okay with anime and manga moving underground-- it'll be like pre-anime boom days again.

>>6617123

Then get the fuck out of /jp/, blood traitor.

>>6617131
Don't label me with your goddamn low powerlevel terms. I'm a goddamn otaKING, motherfucker.

>>6617135
Shut up, faggot. Maybe your mom will be more tolerant of your mouthshitting.

>>6617131
It's for autistic manchildren. Leave while you can.

Not /jp/ related, so I don't really care.
Also, >>>/a/

>>6617140
Go back to /m/ and rant about shading some more, Paul.

>>6617134
>I'm okay with anime and manga moving underground-- it'll be like pre-anime boom days again.
Dear god, do not want. That would suck unless you understand japanese.

>>6617278
Exactly. Bringing anime to the masses was the first nail in the coffin.
Hit the books, and it won't be a problem, will it?
>>6617237
>Paul
Who? I never rant about shading on /m/. I rant about minovsky particle physics.

>>6617134
How would you drive it underground? Do you realize the amount of work involved in producing anime?
This isn't really about bringing it underground, since the law doesn't actually ban any content, you just can't broadcast it on public tv or sell it to minors. This effectively cuts down on avertisements. You might see a lot more short OVAs produced, so instead of short 13 ep, you might see 6,3 eps now...

it won't affect eroge, since it's already 18+
it won't affect Touhou games
it won't affect doujin in general regarding stuff sold at cons, which will simply boycott Tokyo now

In other words, take this shit back to /a/ if it affects you since obviously you belong there

>>6617302
It's a joke referring to a rather notorious namefag on /m/, Otaking, whose name is Paul Johnson or whatever.. Who pretty much just rants about how 80's shading made anime better, and everything lacking it is shit.

Stop spreading your lies. This only apply to shounen and shoujo. As for anime, anything airing at midnight is considered to be adult anime. Even if it's not hentai.
FAG.

>>6617353
Oh shit, I never knew Otaking's real name.

Man after my own heart, but too focused on the past. I say pre-digital animation is superior, as tha tshit took some real fucking skill.
>>6617320
>Do you realize the amount of work involved in producing anime?
Because companies fag it up with garbage, and buy massive ad campaigns. Stop pretending this shit isn't outsourced to Korea anyway.
Back in the day, fans did this work FOR FREE. See Daicon for examples.
Doujin publishers make almost zero returns unless massively popular.
Tell me this shit needs to be mainstream to survive--Bullshit.

>>6617410
It might not be his real name, just an assumption on my part on how he now uses Paul "OtaKing" Johnson as his name.

>>6617385
If it was only that, I wouldn't care that much, but what's to say this won't get abused. The law is so incredibly vaguely worded that it will probably get abused the fuck out of it.

I don't know what this thread is about... BUT COSMIC BREAAAAAK! Singleplayer available. FUCK YEEEEEES!
Maybe I got bit too excited...

Underground if this shit gets voted up.

The scope of this bill is being drastically over exagerated... I would assume OP is samefagging to the max, but I have very little confidence in the collective IQ of /jp/