/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>6673356
Sorry Renee, got distracted and stopped checking the old thread. If you can find time to play later I'll be lurking here and #hisouten for most of the day after 12-1pm EST.

> See Hisoutensoku Netplay threads all day everyday after I uninstalled.
> Everybody seems to be having a good time.
> Download and Install both games again.
> Join Game.
> Get Brutally Raped.
> Uninstall.

Thanks /jp/.

>>6674144
Iight I'm here, I've got like 30-40 mins before I have to break, I'll kinda be on and off all night like this.

If you wanna host go on, if not, I'll do it in a sec~

>>6674213
At least you'll never be as bad as me.

>>6674213
It's a fighting game, so the "brutal raping" is to be expected. You kinda have to be slightly masochistic to enjoy/get through the constant losing that happens before you get good enough to win (You'll still lose more than you win until like half a year to year of experience.)

I've been playing this game for a very long time now and people still find ways to brutally rape me.

>>6674229
I can't host til I go back to campus. I'll just wait for you to host.

What's the IRC to the #Hisouten Channel?

>>6674213
Think of it this way: you're new to the genre, and /jp/ is like playing an extra stage for the first time. Of course you're going to get manhandled over and over again.

(Which groups of players are Phantasm, Hard, and Lunatic? Nobody knows.)

>>6674256
irc.rizon.net

>>6674240
>>6674240
Hostin now then~


69.113.163.17:10800 (US east yo~)

Go easy on me :3

Man Eli, GGs, that was pretty refreshing!

It's nice to see you have a lot of melee mix up now. You aren't nearly as bullet heavy as before, and sometimes it felt like my pages were just being flipped. I'll be back in a bit, bit it's one of those afk thingies now.

I was fucking dying to see that Tenshi too, looks like you have her pretty well worked out, but my Komachi just wouldn't let you finish any of those combos~ :3

I'm so sloppy these days!

>>6674289
Good games Renee. Fun as always. I felt that the Marisa-Meiling matches came down to the wire, even more so than usual. There are still some things about your Meiling I just can't figure out. Also, I've got to stop getting hit with your guard crushes though. Every time I block it right at first then I just wrong block it at the last second and get crushed.

guard crush spam in netplay is a sure sign of a small penis

>>6675445
A small penis that's aimed straight up your ass.

>>6675445
mashing > guard crush spam

90.7.36.181:7500 EU

bump

>>6676829
At one moment, something went wrong with Utsuho, as I was kicking you while you didn't block at all. But as I was raped afterwards, I thought : "Ah, it went back to normal lol"
Anyway, GGs. I still have a lot of improvement to go through.

>>6677190
Utsuho doesn't block. Utsuho takes bullets with her face and walks on.

GGs. I forgot how much fun it is to play Marisa. I hope you keep playing Reimu. She's pretty rare nowadays.

Just woke up at 3:20 PM
Is looking for hosts to start off my day with a couple of doses of getting my ass handed to me.

85.26.37.223:10800
EU host
Not for too long tier.

>>6677284
Where are you from?

>>6677328
East coast

67.225.28.243:10800

hosting canada west about mid

>>6677305
Was about to disconnect myself, lag ruined the game, GGs anyway.

Sorry. Not in the mood for lagspike everywhere right now.

>>6677368
Good games www! It's been a while, but you sure play differently from what I remember.

>>6677368

Good ones

bump

66.36.159.109:10800 EC Randum Tier

>>6674237
Fucking this.

In any fighter period, you are going to lose badly in your first half a year.

A lot.

There will also generally be people you'll never be able to beat, if they're the top of the top tier at the game. Learn to accept that too. Just try to keep get better, and know where your faults are. And maybe eventually in years to come, you can become the best of the best, but it's unlikely.

>>6677751
hopefully a year from now we're not still playing soku. new touhou fightan plz.

>>6677893
Soku officially dies on the 31st.

72.193.15.205:10800 wc
got an hour

>>6677911
y

>>6677998
http://www.youtube.com/user/OGONmusoukyoku

85.26.37.223:10800
EU host
COR tier.

>>6678036
Nvm sorry

>>6678032
But there's no Rosa.

>>6676829
Re-hosting

>>6677981
Good games f12f12f12. I think I got a handle on how you move in the end there, but I would have loved to face your mains some more.

>>6678032
and 'cause of that shit soku will be no more?
lol

>>6678172
The game has been practically dead for months now. Ougon will be the nail in the coffin.

>>6678157
ggs

you probably did figure me out a bit there, but i also tire out pretty fast against aggressive players that never give me any breathing room. around the 20th time i tried to jump out of your string even though i knew you'd do a 3a/6a instead of bullets to catch my jump out was a pretty good sign for me to exit out.

and i don't have a main anymore, honestly. i can't remember the last time i sat down and played a character for more than 2-3 matches, although i'm definitely better with some chars than others.

>>6678202
that's kind of depressing. soku is pretty much my one hit wonder fightan, i could never get into any other no matter how much i tried. that game looks like just another reskinned fighter to me.

>>6678266
I'm sure there will be another Touhou fighter soon. If not Tasofro, possibly somebody else.

>>6678379

All I really want for the Touhou fighting games is more characters. That and make certain weather not so frustrating. I'm looking at you Typhoon and River Mist.

>>6678390
You know, Touhou fighters don't have to have the weather system at all, if they variated in the gameplay in other ways.

>>6678390
I'm pretty sure the netplay can be improved significantly.

>>6678119
Sorry, I think there is some kind of problem with me, it seems I've been fighting with an I.A. or you with some wrong inputs in the last rounds, don't know what the hell it is, but anyway, GGs for our early matchs.

>>6678119
Thanks for game.

So, I've been making my own Touhou fighter for the last couple of months. Since the topic came up, might as well post it here. It isn't that good yet, since it's my first project. But eh, proof of concept I guess. I personally hope Tasogare comes up with something new soon too.

>>6678412
I would kill a man for buffering in netplay or a better blocking system period. Crossups in netplay are infuriating.

>>6678428
Its hard to explain, and I don't want it, but it something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB_wCYF4BCM , sorry. Maybe next time I'll be better in this regard, who knows.

>>6678458
Post the source.

>>6678508
If you're talking about the game itself, I'll upload a recent build for you promptly if you want. Although please understand this is very early stuff.

If you're talking about the source code, I'm not going to do that until I rewrite a lot of stuff. It's full of sloppy shit that was done to save time and effort, and would be quite embarrassing if I released it in its current state.

>>6678458
Is there a video of this in action on YouTube?
I swear I saw a video that looked similar to this at one point, although it appeared to be very early. It looks even more projectile-centered than Soku, which both intrigues and worries me in terms of game balance.
Soku only works well because the grazing balances out the projectiles.

>>6678565
I only have a video of something from about a month ago. Probably the same video you saw. It would probably be best if I uploaded the current version for you guys to try.

I've tried to balance out the projectile-centric nature in a few ways:
- The projectile hitbox is separate from the melee hitbox, and is only 15x15 (5x5 during spellcards so I could put even more shit out there)
- A full flying mode, complete with focus
- Non-spell bullets have health. The bigger one will always do more damage to the other bullet for now.
- There still will be some projectile invincible moves
- If a bullet passes through your normal hitbox but not your projectile hitbox, you receive flymeter/spellmeter bonuses.

Who knows if it will balance out in the end, I'll probably have to add a few more things to make this type of system work properly. I don't know if anyone has tried to make a fighter this projectile-dense before. I'm worried that it won't work out, but hopefully I'll figure out a way to make it all work in the end.

>>6678588
Link to the video please.

>>6678690
How about a link to the game?
http://www.mediafire.com/?sx2cy2g02rwac29

A few notes:
- Reimu, Marisa, Cirno, Flandre are pretty much finished. Chen is almost done (just a couple of supers to go), and Minoriko has only been started, so everything with her is placeholder.
- Windows might ask you to open up port 10800, because I've already started on netcode, although it's too broken and unsynced to release to the public. I need to do more research on it. If you're paranoid, just don't open the port for this program, I don't care.
- If you see any game-breaking bugs or crashes, please report them and I'll see what I can do.
- You can easily play around with characters and their projectiles by editing text/script files in the different folders. If you want to make something cool, I'm not stopping you.
- The music folder accepts any number of ogg/mp3 files you want to put in there.
- Any non-12.3 sprites were gathered from various websites (usually mugen fan-creations), I'm not an artist, and I'm coding this alone.

>>6678747
Out of curiosity what language was this programmed in, and what libraries do you use?

>>6678971
C++ for my language.
SFML for my graphics library.
FMOD for my audio library.

>>6679001
Your game eats up a huge amount of CPU and is really hard to control. Still, mighty impressive project you have there. I hope you don't give up on it and manage to put out a final release.

>>6679088
Thanks. The amount of CPU used might be unavoidable with my current knowledge, as I said this is my first big project. I don't know any neat optimization techniques yet. I'm probably doing a lot of things wrong that I shouldn't be, that I don't know about yet because I don't have the experience.

As for the controls, what was difficult/awkward about them? I thought I made them pretty straight-forward. I really would like to know, so I could try to fix that.

>>6678531
No source? Confirmed for Trojan.

Bump

guess I'll host a match
IP 98.224.122.248
US West

>>6679866
Forgot your port, champ.

>>6679876
thanks
Let's try this again
98.224.122.248 port 10800

>>6679908
Sure you have your ports forwarded?

bump
mine is 94.30.136.6:10800

Noone playing?

>>6681193
Doesn't work, yo. Also you better wait for at least 20 minutes before giving up. This ain't /v/ or something. And give your location.

>>6681216
Latvia, East Europe.

fixed, should be working nao.

>>6681230
Patch to 1.10, forward your port 10800 and try again?

lol, how do i portforwarded?

88.114.149.135:10800 Eu
Pretty good tier I guess.

this is bullshit.

>>6681262
Good games.

>>6681262
is there someone who is noob like me? because getting in the corner and whenever lowering block geting raped is not fun.

>>6681310
Pretty much 95% of the other players. Consider it bad luck to get me as an opponent.

>>6681316
but yeah, you were good.

>>6681320
that's what he's saying.

66.36.156.127:10800

Randumb tier EC, no friends for christmas eve tier

Living the dream

Can't host for shit apparently tier, trying again

66.36.159.21:10800 EC

>>6682475
can't connect

lol, it's been a while I saw a rage 22b-er

ggs, anon, rehostan no-

oh well, you rejoined, lol

>>6682475
ggs, rehostan

i'm quite noob. someone playing at my level of skill?

>>6682383
Fake scan? If not, source?

>>6682553
I would but I uninstalled the game a few months ago and deleted files to install it. Redownloading it.

Ceiling hugging will not win you games, anon. It will help you not get hit if anything, I mean, just saying you should rely more on the ground or head-level flight. ggs

>>6682612
i die otherwise, lol

>>6682567
Shitty edit. Worksafe

>>6682531
Whose 22b?

Remi's 22b

90.7.36.181:7500 EU

>>6682685
GGs. Also, don't hesitate to be more agressive.

>>6682685
Also, still hosting

>>6682685
GGs, aki! I lol'd when we both fell on the ground after charging each other.

80.220.201.200:10800 Finland

>>6682685
Good games, but why so much lag? Are you perhaps using wireless?

>>6683125
Yes, that and I live in a relatively isolated place, so the connection isn't really good.

Get back to the part where people host games.

>>6683197
Why don't you?

WC
96.225.211.242:7500

Eternal personal frustration tier

?
What happened there?

>>6683224
Rehosting a little longer

>>6683307
My computer ran out of memory and crashed. I think it's because svchost.exe went berserk and ate 800 MB of memory while I wasn't watching. It happens from time to time.

>>6683339
That isn't normal, dude. Check for malware.

>>6683107
Good games, those were some pretty intense matches or I just haven't played in a while.
Sorry about that one match where I took you down with a 6C in typhoon when I got Cirno, I didn't really mean to.

>>6683107
GGs. %%:3%%

>>6683370
>6C in typhoon
I purposely did it. :3

GGs. Still a little laggy for me to be all that happy with all the dropped Aya confirms, but oh well.

>>6683584
GGs, thanks for hosting.

holy shit my okuu is rusty as fuck, anyone up for bobkuu?

66.36.159.21:10800 EC

>>6679088
Because of this comment, I searched and found out what was taking up 2/3 of the game's CPU usage, and promptly fixed it. Thanks.

Hosting again. Grinch tier

>>6683224

>>6685098
Cool, glad to have been of service.

[g]host bump.

88.114.149.135:10800 Finland
Good tier.

>>6687377
>eu
>good

ha ha ha ha

>>6687391
>doesn't live in europe

>>6687377
GGs.

>>6687564
GGs.

Bump

Hosting. Not sure how long I can play.

>>6683224

Christmas bump.

68.47.183.192:10800
East Coast

No guarantees on connection quality, sometimes it's perfect and sometimes it's horrific. Hopefully it's currently the former.
No guarantees on player quality either, usually it's horrific....

>>6688898
Connection failed.

>>6688916
Gah. Can you not be alt-tabbed while hosting, or am I just unable to host?

>>6688922
I don't think it matters. You probably just can't host.

>>6688944
Yeah, I didn't think it would. Ah well...

Anyone else wanna host?

174.0.51.137:10800
Merry Christmas from Canadia!

>>6689213
Good games and Merry Christmas. Our connection was acting up, so I guess it's no surprise it cut out like that.

Silly games.

>>6689213
Haha good games orange guy. I guess the disconnect means it's a good time to take a break. I hope you enjoyed fooling around as much as I did!

>>6689310
Haha, I also have to apologize for sneaking in the fireball to steal the match with melee patchy.

>>6689326
If you can put up with me screwing around with lolistomp all the time, I can put up with a few fireballs here and there.

I'm okay

Hosting a little while. Waiting for a friend to finish with her family's stuff so we can go get a drink.

>>6683224

anyone wanna play?

i just got this game from a friend, im playing it for the first time - expect to rape the shit out of me/ combo food, etc bleh

5.157.64.70

port is 1800

correct me if im putting in my shit wrong

>>6690745
I'm fairly sure that none of what you've posted is correct.

>>6690765
well, mon visage

what im i supposed to put in? my bud told me im supposed to install hamachi, then get my ip or w.e off of there

>>6690775
Your bud is an idiot. That ip is only relevant within hamachi's virtual network. It is not your actual IP.

>>6690795
so, do i get my IP off of the whatismyip link in OP, then copy that here?

>>6690799
Yes, but if you're using a router, you're going to have to forward a port for it. Most people use 10800 or 7500 because those are the commonly used ones for online games.

24.17.241.227:7500 US West

Tell me if it doesn't work.

>>6690859
It doesn't work.

more of these moments, anon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAB9e86sliw

>>6690867
I forgot to install my pad so I had to close the game for a bit. It should be working now.

>>6690839
goddammit, my internet is being retarded


ill try again later tonight, thanks for the help man, i appreciate it

>>6690859
jesus fucking christ

>>6690859
GGs, rehosting

Hosting 173.71.112.30:7500

>>6690956
Can't connect.

>>6690952
If it's lagging that badly on char select, I'm not going to even try.

>>6690967
Didn't realize I had torrents up, come back and test or something.

>>6690967
Oh well, thanks for trying.

>>6690967
Damn I always seem to have some sort of network problem with this game

dat connection, Aki.

rehosting 24.17.241.227:7500 US West

>>6691088
I know my connection is horrible. Also that was the first time I have ever played a live person.

>>6682383

Source.

You will never get a visit from Marisa dressed up as Santa Clause. ;_;

>>6691185
Already did.

My Christmas is over. I have nothing to do so who wants to host some after xmas matches?

I see not many games were played on Christmas

>>6692517
Don't look at me. I tried hosting three times.

>>6692528
Horrible connection problems, or lack of players? I tend to have both problems.

>>6692553
First one, then the other. I guess I can host a little bit now just to say I played today. Even though it's 1am.

>>6683224

>>6692564
Merry Christmas Tangental! I can't remember which characters have what decks anymore since the profile is only used once a year.

GGs, not-Rabbit-Box. Silliness with our off-mains was fun, if also seeming a little bit hyperaggressive. I'm amazed that the keystone kept whiffing Yukari's fat body. I've also forgotten the two Cirno combos I knew.

>>6692682
The funny thing is the games felt hyper-defensive to me as I normally play aggressive. I don't normally pay much attention to my opponent while I play so I couldn't tell the difference! Still, it's fun to see what you can get away with around the holidays eh?

>>6692706
Depends on how you classify it. There was a shitload more midscreen jockeying for position than usual and very little sustained inertia or pressure by either of us.

I can't sleep cuz I'm drunk. Hopefully I'm doing this right this time.

68.106.96.141:10800 EC
Sleepy drunk tier.

test

65.31.150.147:10800
US Midwest
Cold fingers tier.

>>6683107
Hosting.

>>6694044
3A beats everything. Isn't that nice to know.

I am extremely frustrated right now.

>>6694194
It doesn't beat blocking on the ground. If you're getting hit by it over and over then you should take that as a sign to stop jumping.

>>6694044
Rehosting

remind me to never play people from /jp/ again...
At least until I know how to stop getting murdered in a corner.

>>6694219
'Cause SWR has such a strong ground game, right? It's worse than even Melty Blood in that respect. If that move forces me to stay on the ground, I've lost already.

>>6694286
3A is laggy on whiff. Bait it out.

>>6694278
Don't say that, there are plenty of beginners on /jp/ it's just that almost none of them host. If you would host you'd have a much better chance of finding someone around your skill level.

As for not getting murdered in the corner, you should block and watch what your opponent is doing so that next time you're in the corner you'll be able to jump or dash out because you'll know what they are going to do next. Using bombs, hangekis and border escapes would help too.

>>6694314
Actually, wait, who's 3A is raping you over and over again.

>>6694321
When I first played soku, I got shredded in the corner so badly that I loaded up 4 bombs, 4 hangekis, 4 soul torches, 2 pushback coins, 4 nightless castles, and 2 scarlet devils.

I got better so I didn't have to do that, and it teaches some pretty shitty habits, but you could try something like that for starters. I still don't know the proper place to BEs but I've gotten a better sense of where to poke out or high jump away.

If you play enough people also, you'll run into people who have better and worse corner game than others.

>>6694286
Obviously you need to be whoring more Iku or Suwako 2A.

>>6694286
It doesn't force you to stay on the ground, it forces you be less predictable. It doesn't graze so throw out some bullets if you think it's coming. If you mindlessly jump in every chance you get you're going to get hit by it.

>>6694321
Unfortunately I can't for some reason host ingame, I have to do it through Hamachi. And as far as I'm aware, that's somewhat frowned upon, or at the very least more awkward to set up.
Re: further up in the thread.

But I've got 2-3 people on Steam that are around my skill level, so we can probably just practice off of each other until I come even close to people here.
Though one of them only ever plays Remilia...

So anyways, do people usually use fightsticks? What's a decent one to get that's not too expensive?

Any tips for landing situational spellcard combos? A lot of my spellcard combos with many characters rely with some sort of predictable dashing attack, normally it's 66B. I've alleviated that with Sakuya by using 3A-66B-spellcard, but characters such as Reimu and Sanae don't have this luxury. Would it be best if I learn ways to land those moves or just find different spellcards to combo into?

>>6694577
I do but I get the feeling that game pads are used more than stick by the majority here. Other posters can feel free to prove me wrong though. As for a decent stick, I suppose you could get one of those Madcatz SF4 standard edition fight sticks. They can run about $40-$70 depending on where you order.

>>6694619
>Madcatz
That word instantly fills me with rage.
Though I have heard they've gotten better from the N64-Gamecube days.

>>6694610
Some characters on the hisouten wiki have sections for spellcard combos, and a lot of combos that end in command specials can have a spell card substituted in their place. Use practice mode with block after first hit to figure out what actually connects with what or to try things out.

This, by the way, coming from an Okuu player who can only land Creeping Sun after 66C, Giga Flare after 3A, and throws out Subterranean Sun after knockdown. But it can't be helped.

>>6694619
Keyboard tier forever.

>>6694625
The sticks are actually good. Daigo uses one, but he gets paid to do so. Either way, it's not a bad choice unless you have money to shell out for a hori or something. I play on keyboard anyway, and most people can't touch me(hohoelitism). I don't think a stick is really even necessary for this game, there's nothing really execution-heavy.

>>6694610
If it's situational, that means you have to force the situation. There's no shame in blatantly keeping your 5-card in your top slot for 45 seconds if your opponent eventually does something that lets you do it; it's their fault. It's up to you to pick spellcards that fit situations you often find yourself in, though.

>>6694637
Yeah, I just find it very difficult to hit skills in quick succession, which is kinda necessary for a number of characters. Especially the 623s, it's almost impossible to crank it out quickly enough and accurately enough to be able to use Insightful Sword reliably.

>>6694655
This reminds me of the time that I reacted so slowly to a 3A hitconfirm that I blew my five-card during my opponent's ground tech animation.

>>6694150
GGs. Another random player! Random vs random is always fun but some of those were just boring. Cirno, Reimu, Sanae, god I suck with those.

>>6694734
Good games, but I'm afraid I haven't played one character enough to be viable with most of them.
In other words, I should stick to Meiling (as I think I was able to put up even some kind of a fight with her against you) and not always just try and blindly fly in with a melee attack while in air as it always turned out to be a counter hit for you and take it from there on your Aya.
>Random vs random is always fun but some of those were just boring. Cirno, Reimu, Sanae, god I suck with those.
Well I still didn't manage to win you when you got them, now did I?

>>6694754
>Cirno, Reimu, Sanae

Well actually it's not so much that you suck with those, so much that those characters just suck period. Soku is actually much better balanced than most other fighters out there but still, there are some Touhous that you won't want to bet on.

>>6694610
Sakuya's 66B into spellcard combo is about the easiest you can get hitconfirm-wise. The move itself has some good range to surprise even good players once in a while but it doesn't graze, is airblockable and leaves you at a disadvantage even on hit. 4card slashy combos from almost everything so you can put in four of them in your deck anyway. Just don't get predictable like so many Sakuya players who spam 66b until it hits if the card shows up.

If you have no way to hit a dash attack into spellcard reliably, don't use it.

>>6694765
Reimu's not all that bad, though. At least as far as I can tell.

>>6694777
Reimu's pretty bad. Highly technical, poor coverage, second lowest damage, and few decent midscreen options.

>>6694777
She's not bad but she lost everything I liked about her since 1.03.
Midscreen j.2B loops, huge j.5A stick hitbox, good corner damage, a good DP and the low-cost BALLS card which crushed instantly when chickenblocked.

Now I usually flail around for openings and get outdamaged by every char but Aya.

>>6694775
>Iku's counterhit j.2A into spellcard combo is about the easiest you can get hitconfirm-wise.

Keep in mind that you don't always have to combo into spells, too.

>>6694798
I mean, sure she's lower than average, but she's no Cirno.

>>6694798
>low damage
>three thousand every time she hits with jump a

>>6694851
Maybe back in 1.03. I suggest updating.

>>6694866
1. youkai buster
2. control rods
3. ????
4. maybe you should update

>>6694872
...Christ, you're a moron.

>>6694879
Host and i'll show you who's the moron.

>>6694872
One doesn't typically run rods on Reimu. Only weird jerks like Guy and raymoo really do that.

>>6694886
Protip: Control rods + any character with a jump-in = 3,000 damage. Fuck, many characters have 3,000 damage without using fucking FIVE cards to set it up.

>>6694632

The problem is that a lot of combos I use aren't on there, some of them are really much to complex for me to use. I've been stuck using simple combos, they're how I win.

>>6694637

I see. I need to find a good situation to land 66B for Reimu, or 66C for Sanae. The first move is really slow and predictable and the second is also predictable.

>>6694775

Yeah, I gave up the 66B spam habit with Sakuya, partially because of 3A. I never used to use it until I found out it comboed into 66B, it's so awesome. Unairblockable spellcards, aww yeah. The problem is Reimu's 66B, I can combo it into all of my spellcards, even Fantasy Seal, but nothing combos into her 66B and it's really slow. That and Fantasy Seal does pitiful damage after a 66B for some strange reason.

>>6694798

I think Reimu's real problem is that she lacks mobility. She's one of the slowest characters in the game in terms of movement.

>>6694901
What's it like pedalling backwards in australia?

>>6694916
Almost all of Reimu's cards combo from 66b.

>>6694927

Now if only landing that 66B was actually feasible. I know it has graze properties but I can't get it to work consistently like I can with Sakuya's 66C.

>>6694927
Are Australians known for their backpedaling?

>>6694953
And why does he think I'm from Australia?
Saying that a character can do 3,000 damage with control rods is a vacuous argument. They can all do 3,000 damage with control rods, even Aya. Most can do well more than that with basic combos without any cards whatsoever.

>>6694927
Aya can get 3,500 off a 5A midscreen once she's eaten four control rods, but that doesn't make her a pile of damage.

>>6694916
Fantasy Seal is better when used naked. Get your opponent down 1 orb, and they either try to graze through it and get hit, or block and lose an orb plus take a decent amount of damage. Really good round closer, you've just gotta watch out for stuff like your opponent having a reversal. With Sanae 66C, it's air unblockable so if your opponent has a tendency to chickenblock low in the air, you can bait that then 66C, or you can run 623 alt windtunnel, where you then 66C once the opponent is stuck in the air blocking the windtunnel.

>>6694916
Yup, Reimu's 66b is just bad. It grazes alright but it hits low and therefore has to be done early or the opponent can just HJC away.
Fanstasy seal sucks in combos, there are much better options. It does 100% limit itself and does low damage point blank. It eats spirit when its grazed and drains 5 complete orbs on block so think of it like a royal flare like move.
Her 2 and 4card balls are better to get some damage in. They combo off 5b, 2b and 66a and those shouldn't be too hard to hit though not as easy to hitconfirm.

I can't get on to play at the moment, but is there any chance someone (or someones) can give me some tips on characters?

I'm relinquishing my Yuyuko main to a friend, as I've grown somewhat tired of her. So far, it looks like I'm probably going to switch to Tenshi, considering she's actually one of two girls I really like in Soku.

So, if anyone has tips for that adorable little masochist, they're much appreciated; I've read through the Hisouten wiki, but I really feel like I could use some more tips from someone who mains her. Aside from Tenshi, there are a couple other characters I want to get better with:

--China
--Reimu
--Aya
--Flandre (LolRemillia; this is mostly so I can screw with my friend who mains Remilia, but I still enjoy using her.)

>>6695012
Master 5AA2BHJC8j.2B66j.A5AA2B

>>6694986
I just tried some. 5a -> 4card ball gets you barely above 4000 damage. 5a -> 3card kick 3137 and 5a -> ball 2616. Am I missing some good ones here? Because these are plain bad damage per card comboes compared to the other characters.

>>6695019
>he thinks 4000 for a 4 cost card is bad

>>6695012
As far as Aya is concerned, look long and hard at all her alts, especially 214. Her spellcards only add about 1,000 damage from confirm and most aren't suitable for punishing/pressure, so don't be afraid to use a spellcard-light deck and weather affecting/system cards instead. Typhoon obiterates Aya, so it can be good to keep a counter in mind. That said, don't underestimate her 5card runpast or 4card crows. The runpast is literally her only move that combos off of 2A and the crows can be used in the air to catch people off guard, combos off of 6C (very tight timing), and can be a good way to deal with Typhoon.

>>6694986
Fantasy Seal is the best card Reimu has, no joke. It's a Royal Flare that works in the air. There are a lot of situations you can force where the opponent can do nothing but take the damage.

>>6695100

How do you get it to work as well as that? I always get hit by Royal Flare and if I could get Fantasy Seal to work as well as that it would be a godsend.

>>6695065
Geothermal "Atomic Blaze Geyser": 4876
Temperament Sign "Meteorological Revelation": 4704
Enlightened Sword "Rise from Delusion": 4595
Butterfly Sign "Death Lance": 4439
Curse "Hourai Doll": 4401
etc.
All 4cards from 5a, midscreen.

Bad indeed.

>>6695093
>most aren't suitable for punishing/pressure
What.
1 card ring, 2 card wind wave and 3 card tornado are great to put on some crush pressure. Also the 3 card dash one punishes untight strings easily.

>>6695104
Get them below 3 or so orbs, do Seal. Don't care where they are or what they were doing, just do it. The only thing Flare has on Seal is that Flare will still do a lot of damage if only 1/4th of the spell hits, while Seal's damage is kind of crummy if most of it is grazed. In return though, Reimu can followup most of the time, and she is most certainly not vulnerable. The main point though is that the damage is unavoidable if you're using it right, just like Sakuya's World. And Dragon Fish. Fuck Dragon Fish.

>>6695104
Get your opponent down to 1-2 orbs, and they either try to graze through it and get hit, or block and lose an orb plus take a decent amount of damage.

>>6695158

Excellent, I'll try that out. I always kept one of those cards just because I thought it was cool despite never having much of a use for it, kind of like Fantasy Heaven.

>>6695134
1 card is okay, but doesn't even do a full orb of damage and leaves enough of an open to high jump away. It's better for making risky moves safe. 2 and 3 tornados aren't tight so are are easily grazed on reaction and have insane lag, therefore punishable as fuck. Even if someone does get caught blocking them, they're easily BEed anyway. 3 card dash can't punish non-tight strings at all. It has the same startup lag as default 214 just with a giant flash too. Maybe giant wide open things only. It's is also easily blocked on reaction and then insanely punishable.

>>6695174
>1 card is okay, but doesn't even do a full orb of damage and leaves enough of an open to high jump away.

What? The entire bloody point of that card is to use it in order to extend your pressure? During pressure you got them to wrongblock for 3 orbs worth of spirit but are starting to get too loose? 1card, force them to keep blocking and eat that spirit damage, while starting your mix-ups anew. They can't highjump away right after the activation.

You can't BE moves like 2card and 3card tornado.

>>6695174
Alt. 22b into 1card is tight and gives LOTS of frame advantage so you can always drain 1(from the quake part of 22) + 0,5(from the 1card itself) + 2( from 6c 236b) and if the 22b is wronglocked, add another orb.

The 2card is tight off a blocked 236b. The combination of those two alone is almost 3 orbs. And you can follow it up with a dash attack and continue pressure.
The 3card tornado only works right if it's fired after a almost-corner 236b. Then you get to charge whatever you want and crush. You can't BE until the spellcard bg wears off, by the way.

The 3card dash grazes from first frame. And if the opponent just started anything grazeable, he's fucked. It will hit before the delay ends and you cannot HJC and block in time either.

>>6695193
>mixup
>Aya
Why you so silly, anon?

>>6695193
>>6695250
I was thinking of the cards in terms of maintaining/adding to pressure, IE BEing on the last hit, not as the final hits in a crush string. You may as well use the system card if the goal is just ~500 damage and one crushed orb.
As for tightness, I'm not sure I've ever seen a decent player eat that stuff. She just lacks the options to be able to sustain pressure without putting herself at huge risk for little reward and I have never seen any good player use her like a pressure character. Her strengths are elsewhere, not in her ability to crush.

>>6694916
Blue tower, orange orb and flip kick all combo from 2a midscreen. You need to be fairly close for blue tower and flip kick but the orb will combo even if you hit with the tip of the 2a.
Orange tower and blue orb both combo from 2a 5b midscreen but you need to be somewhat close for the 2a to combo into 5b and right next to them to combo into the tower.
3a, 2a 3a, 6a 2c, 2a 6a 2c, 623c, 66a 623c, etc. all combo into the 1 card orbs in the corner. It's good for getting some extra damage when you catch someone trying to jump out.

>>6695315
You should fight nameless. I agree that her strings stem from fear, but she is one of few characters with legit mixup. Also you can just stop blocking against the system guardcrush card and it just knocks you down, I don't know why anyone even runs it. 1-card wind is the clear winner when compared, even if it doesn't instantly crush.

>>6695354
Aya's mixup game used to be insanely good. Then 1.10 happened.

>>6695378
I'm not seeing how 1.10 changed anything other than an overall damage nerf for her. Are you suggesting that her normals take longer, or have more recovery, or are less advantageous on block as compared to 1.03 or something?

>>6695378
Her mixup didn't change, just her combos and damage. Overall it's still 50/50 on the guess between 2A/66A and 3A/6A, and you've got no choice but to be right to leave her with nothing. There are a lot of characters in this game that can be shut down before they even get to the entry -> mixup phase, which Aya still doesn't have a problem with.

>>6695396
>>6695390
Massive nerf to cancellable moves.

>>6695415
All I'm seeing is that default 236 doesn't travel very far on the ground at level 1 if done from the air. Elaborate.

>>6695415
Sure, some of the properties were changed, but not the cancellation points or anything. All Aya needs for pressure is default 236, and that works pretty much the same way it used to in the corner. Hell, not even that. All she needed was 2A/66A and 6A/3A, which are the same, property-wise. Aya's movement and general pressure seem mostly the same the me, you just take less damage when she guesses right.

I remember when Aya used to be good, and faced someone who could force me onto defense and promptly guard crush with her. Those were some really fun games. Nowadays it's rare to play guard crushers around here and it's become all fishing for moves to punish.

>>6695446
Fishing in Hisoutensoku? I am very surprised by this turn of events.

178.34.105.147:10800
east europe, russia.

Maybe he meant early Soku since that's when Aya lost almost all of her cancelling properties. That said, I learned the hard way through a lot of frustrating trying that much of the info on the English SWR wiki for Aya is out of date.

anyone hosting right now?

Or now?

>>6696559
Nope

>>6695462
I remember when Aya's 66A had massive + on block and everytime you block it, she could start her mixup. If you tried to chickenblock it or mash out or graze, you'd eat at least 3200 damage.
I also remember her f.5A being much faster before.

Anybody up? Rabbit?

>>6683224

Alright.

Time to host.

173.58.106.140 port: 64738

West coast United States.

>>6697971
Can't connect. Make sure your port's forwarded.

Yeah, now I remember why I don't play you.

GG Teng. Your Yuyuko is really awesome.


Hosting again.

>>6698040
No. It's really not. You just don't know what to do against a character when you can't just fly off the top of the screen and press j.2A.

>>6698046
>Implying I used J2a in that game more than 2-3 in the entirety of 5 matches

>>6698054
j.8A. Whatever. I don't keep Suwako's moves straight. Learn to play like a real person.

>>6698054
*2-3 times

Anyways, please ignore the troll.

I'm still hosting if anyone wants to play.

Information here:
>>6697971

bump

>>6683107
Hosting.

Can someone host 10.5 on port 6112?
I'm downloading 12.3 at this very second and I can for reasons which would need too long to explain not forward my router to accept 10800. (I'd know how to, I'm just limited here)
Thanks

>>6699431
You don't need an open port to join games. And I don't think anyone still plays 10.5 here.

>>6699457
My router is actively seeking to block in- and outgoing connections from ports other than 80, 6112-6117.
Guess I'll have to wait for the download to finish then.

>>6699466
Okay, I just installed the english patch for 12.3.
I'll set up the controlls and train a bit, if someone wants to brutally rape me in the face then please host under one of the ports I listed above

>>6699333
GGs.

>>6699333
Good games.
I didn't think I'd be able to beat your Youmu with Marisa, as you probably realized she still has her stock deck and isn't one of my favorite characters in the game.

83.163.242.26:6113

How do I make the 10.5 characters playable in 12.3?
The guide I have said something about putting the path of 10.5 in the gibberish123.ini ... didn't help me though

>>6699900
you need to make the path at the top of the ini file refer to the 10.5 folder instead of the 12.3 folder

>>6699898
if no one comes in 5 mins i close my server

>>6699928
I just tried, it says Connect failed :|
Can you try 6112, please?

>>6699929
k brb reconfiguring my router

>>6699912
That's what it looks like, I also tried the folder one layer above, neither worked

>>6699929
83.163.242.26:6112

>>6699946
;_;

>>6699946
Confirming can't connect.

Hosting for a little bit. Apologies in advance if I quit midmatch. Waiting for friend to pick me up in ~30-45 minutes.
>>6683224

Oh ho, I'm willing to give 10.5 a go. Anyone else?

>>6699964
I'd be in, but I suck major balls and I'm the guy with the derp router.

try again, forgot soku itself
>>6699955

>>6699976
It won't let me :(

>>6699982
> :(

Stop or get out.

>>6699984
>Saging an entire thread because one person

>>6699982
it worked before on port 10800 with a friend of mine, for the port i gave soku 06112, i assume that should be correct, otherwise i'll just host on 10800 in a little while

>>6699993
nevermind i'm closing my server

>>6699993
Well, it's either me or your router, but Warcraft 3 is working perfectly fine on 6112.

>>6699988
>saging

Perhaps you should learn how this board works before posting. Please only stick to the hosts and IPs on this threads instead of posting anything else. You will learn with time. Also, turn off your /v/ habits and logic in here, learn to draw a line and everything should be fine.

>>6699431
79.205.52.233:6112

Bleh. Sorry I was playing like complete shit today. Can't fucking 6C623B to save my fucking life.

>>6699960
Good games Tangental. Your Aya plays much differently than your Yuyuko. I don't think I can get used to them leaping wind crossups as it looks too simlar to Aya's 66C.

188.25.154.180:10800 EU

>>6700327
Connection failed. Already playing?

>>6700374

188.25.154.180:7500 EU
try this instead

>>6700390
Again failed, but good ping about 48-50 ms.

restarted computer
rehosting, same ip and port 7500

>>6700436
Still can't connect, maybe it some bad magic or you need to forward port.

>>6700450

my ports are fine,
so bad magic

oh well..

>>6700455
Suddenly works, lol.

>>6700463

GGs man, good luck on your future opponents.

>>6700455
Damn, I've never got so much perfects at once. Seems like I'm poor newbie as 2-3 months ago. With your damn graze my main B attack are almost useless. Thanks for game.

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83.163.242.26:10800

bump

Mukyuu~

>>6702002
Doesn't work.

>>6702115
i was probably already busy, i removed the post since i'm going to sleep now

>>6702123
GGs, that was a bit short though. Oh well, I didn't expect to see anyone hosting at 5AM in the first place.

>>6702144
damnit i need to learn to stay off the internet and turn off my computer

it was ok, you owned me though, patchy was my best character and i'm still contemplating on wether it's worth my time to train using her limited melee attacks, your youmu was especially good,
then again, this is like the 3rd day i'm playing or something and i didn't really expect to win against anyone even remotely good, though i was kind of dissapointed you even beat me so easily with aya since i've been playing patchy/aya alot with a friend lately

>>6702288
Well, I have been playing this since release, and some SWR before that as well, even if it's only ever been with /jp/ and a friend who stopped playing about a year ago. Youmu's been my main all this time, too.