/jp/ - Otaku Culture

/jp/ being /jp/. whats the problem here?

Vocaloid is going mainstream, thus the hate. Expect the same for touhou in the future.

Vocaloid is honestly shit.

>>6706954
touhou has been mainstream for a while now...

I like when the songs are sung by people with nice voices.

Theres not much to talk about after a couple of images and videos have been posted

Vocaloid threads are usually nothing but people dumping images and saying how kawaii~ Miku and Luka are and how they want to suck Ren's dick.

>>6706942

... there isn't ever going to be Vocaloid black metal, is there? Unless someone does something about it.

(How do I get started and how much will it cost me?)

Most Vocaloid fans don't know shit about the people that make the music and/or they don't listen to albums which makes talking about it kind of difficult.

The only decent places to talk about it IMO is singing robots on LJ and sshado's stream when he actually bothers to show up but that rarely happens.

Len is basically like the fucking Japanese Justin Bieber considering how much fan-wank he gets. I hate Len, but he has a FEW okay songs.

Everyone else is great, but yeah it's going mainstream. Eh, it's a shame.

>>6707000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kgXEVoZaRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gYbFG_gqQ
Plenty of screamo but I'm not sure about Death Metal.

>>6707003
fatman and AVTechno aren't that similar...

>>6707019
They were for a period but I do need to update that damn thing.

>>6707011
>len
yeah, fuckin weeaboo gaiafags glomp onto him like glue for some reason

>>6706961
>>6706969
Sure, I can agree with you two there. Vocaloid is definitely an acquired taste, and I personally enjoy covers over the original songs. Regardless, they help in allowing new composers/producers to create full songs with vocals, even if they have no singing abilities themselves. From there, the songs can take on human vocals, with the many amateur singers there are on nicovideo. If you like a song but dislike the vocaloid singing it, there's almost always an abundance of covers to look at.

Heck, I know several people who are perfectly competent in singing, yet have composed several songs using Miku for the sound of her voice rather than theirs. Luschka is a perfect example. She's covered several of Treow's songs among others, she was the lead vocalist in his album, Reversus, and she's even released her own album, Birth and Foster.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11419786
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11280964
Regardless, she has actually recently started composing songs using Miku rather than her own voice.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12623948
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13125524

Though I can't think of a way to fully explain this myself, I believe it's simply because it's an enjoyable community to be in. Many of the big producers on nicovideo know each other very well, and the community as a whole is incredibly tight-knit. People can experiment with vocaloids, tuning them in different ways to see what sorts of sounds they can make, and they have the experience of watching as the vocaloids themselves begin to grow better and better, approaching the level that human vocals are at. But anyway, that's just my two cents.

>>6707011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qD7LCfNsjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCrFx-riHRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjCFwrDePY
My favorite Len songs/PVs. I don't understand the last one at all but I still like it.

>>6707046
vocaloid only works with a very limited amount lyrics. that being said, some producers (Deco 27) are able to work with them, but most arent able to.

>>6707046
Using Vocaloid is a good way to get exposure. All of the big producers weren't very popular musicians until they started using Vocaloid.

The Vocaloid fanbase is huge and they aren't the type to turn their backs on an artist that they like when they stop using the software.

>>6707058
this. check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ1wysQtErM
AMAZING vocals from a really popular (and good) song. Nobody even knew of maria before.

>>6707014

Not even remotely close to black metal, but at least there's growl.
Actually some pretty damn good growl. Actually a whole lot better than I expected out of Vocaloid.

Thank you. May Blashyrkh consume many of your enemies.

>>6706984
>>6707036
Yeah, I suppose that's a large part of the problem with vocaloid threads. An overwhelming chunk of the fanbase is rather horrible... Even then, if new people were willing to get to know what it's all about, then that could possibly help out the threads a bit. As for content, there's certainly enough new songs and covers for a weekly thread to have plenty of things to share. It's just that people actually need to put in the time to search for new stuff rather than relying on others to supply them with music. I suppose that that's easier said than done, though.

>>6707003
>>6707031
Texanon? If so, this is Lys.

>>6707076
I'm Tex. I think Lys may be here too. Maybe.

>>6707086
Oh wait did you mean that you are Lys? I derped.

>>6707086
Yep, this is Lys. I made the original post and that huge one with the nicovideo links.

>>6707099
Cool cool. Hey if we're both here we should drop some sick albums on /jp/.

Who's all putting stuff out for Comiket?

>>6707057
And what would this limit be at? Obviously, vocaloids can sing anything Japanese, and any producers who know how phonetics work can make their way around other languages. Sure, they sounds incredibly awkward in other languages, but it certainly doesn't have to be perfect for the time being. After all, vocalists themselves have to learn how other languages work before they're able to sing in those languages.

>>6707118
Maybe. I'll wait and see if this thread gathers more interest before I begin dumping albums and songs. I'd like to finally have a decent discussion about vocaloids for once.

>>6707145
I doubt we'll find any decent discussion on /jp/. It's worth a try though. Lawd knows stream is dead as fuck.

What do you think about Kaito and Meiko possibly being updated?

>>6707137
>awkward in other languages
this very much. Yeah miku can say "love" but anything else is bad
Sometimes the lyrics can be clunky even in japanese songs. A human singer is far superior to adjusting to awkward parts of a song.

What I enjoy is the little chorus groups that come out of the songs. Thought it's been a while since I listened to any song.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4314676

>>6707176
Vocaloid is universally bad with English. Top of my head the only English Vocaloid song that I really like is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEK1Oqp1Ck and I can barely understand anything that she's saying.

Well durr. Vocaloid rarely sounds better than a human. I'd rather listen to a human singer than a Vocaloid in most Vocaloid songs. But from a technology stand-point it can be pretty interesting. People need to stop thinking of it as a singing substitute though. It's more like a digital instrument that kind of sounds like a person.

>>6707205
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba14g1XCNpI
Is another good English song.

>>6707205
>digital instrument
vocaloids are suppose to sing not make beats. Unless you're talking about techno vocaloid.

>>6707170
Eh, not a huge fan of those two. I've never liked their voices very much, and most producers that I enjoy rarely use them anyway, so Kaito and Meiko are usually pushed to the back when I'm searching for new stuff. The Rin/Len appends should be interesting, though. Rin's voice was decent, and several of the appends sound pretty nice. Though I hadn't liked Len's voice in the past, it's beginning to grow on me, and the append seems to also improve on its sound.

>>6707176
Yeah, I'll give you that one. With the program as it is currenty, there really isn't too much to curb their odd pronunciations in songs. I personally tend to look over those problems, though, since lyrics aren't very important in my mind. The inspiration and creativity behind songs are what causes me to enjoy them the most.

Because hating on popular things is edgy and cool.

the gb2/a/ posts are probably due to the miku monday threads made there.

as for me, Rin or Teto are the best

>>6707220
imo DYE is bad. Really, the worst of both Treow and AVTechno! DYE 2 is getting better but.. still not that good. I want more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-jrGoUUTc8
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki-lL7he_H4&feature=related
Also, bokuboku II is an excellent sequel to the first

>>6707224
I'm really excited about Len's append.

Rin's is kind of meh but Len had one of the worst voice banks and the append is a huge improvement on him.

only on mondays, man... only on mondays....
and anyone who thinks anything mainstream is automatically garbage doesn't know that EVERYTHING is mainstream. if you know of it, so does someone else. and another. and another.
if you think being a nonconformist makes you cool, look around you. look at you TV, at your computer, at the very site you're on right now. they're all mainstream.
and as for vocaloids, i'm a white american who loves miku, ren, gumi, luka, and yuki... does that make we weabo? no. because i don't act "SUPER KAWAII DESU, MIKU IS MAI WAIFU!!! ^___^"

tl;dr haters gonna hate

>>6707245
I prefer the Treow remix over AV's original song.

I just have a boner for anything Treow in general though.

>>6707245
>DYE 2
He just uploaded this one
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13148516

Can't wait for append music to show up for her

uhm... while this thread is up, can i ask a question...
i'm looking for a song with miku, rin, and len. it was a sad song, kind of slow, i think it had a red border when len was doing his solo... i don't remember it that well...

>>6707266
I'm pretty sure that's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKiPc-7uWtA
A classic if there ever was one.

>>6707273
No it was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-XUPPLT0-o

>>6707222
I don't believe that was the point the other person was getting at. Digital instruments exist to allow people to create harmonies and supporting parts without enlisting actual people to play the instruments for them. While they certainly aren't as good as a live instrument, they get somewhat close to the real thing. Heck, I doubt people would realize that the strings in this song are synthed if they didn't know about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MevWZXPWANc
Singing substitutes or not, vocaloids exist to allow people to create melodies at their computers. As with digital instruments, they're far from being perfect, but they're still handy in their own way.

Eh, I'm probably missing the point as well, but I'm posting this anyway. Probably going to reply to it again to evaluate farther.

>>6707277
No fag it was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbnmjv0l2r0

>>6707281
>>6707277
>>6707273
not_sure_if_troll.jpg

>>6707298

>>6707277
i don't even

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWLXoxF02Qg

English vocaloids get no love?

>>6707273
>>6707281
>>6707277

Aaaand the thread has been derailed now. I guess I'll stop posting for now and let it die. Still refreshing if anyone has anything to say, though.

>>6707277
>look at comments
oh god teenage weeaboo len fangirls everywhere

>>6707325
There will probably be better discussions after Comiket.

>>6707277
brb fapping

>>6707325
my request / question >>6707266 has still not been answered....
i can't remember the friggin name...

>>6707333
weabo / fat yaoi fangirl detected

I know this is a dumb question, but is Vocaloid really that mainstream?

I know it's been on random talkshows and stuff but that was more of a "Look at this pack of freaks" kind of thing.

>>6707326
I hate you.

>>6707281
Oh god Kaito why are you so much more beautiful and fabulous then twenty?

With every niche interest, you're gonna have vocal people who insist that their preferences in regard to the subject are superior and therefore everyone else's opinions are invalid.

I think vocaloid fans should get along, but it's kind of like asking /v/ or /a/ to get along. There are a lot of different groups and subgroups and tastes in regard to vocaloid, so there will always be disagreement.

All vocaloid fans are good vocaloid fans except for the fucking UTAU roleplayers who contribute nothing and don't even listen to the music and only serve to fill up the wiki with Mary-Sue shit. Seriously, those fuckers need to disappear or somehow branch off away from the vocaloid fandom and stop associating themselves with us.

Yes I mad.

>>6707335
Haha, sorry, but your description is way too obscure for me, especially since I don't pay attention to the videos much unless they have decent animation. I did a quick search for the three on nicovideo, but it wasn't giving me anything notable.

Miku is only good for fap material. So far I haven't liked much of that music.

>>6707364
allright, then i guess let this thread die :L

>>6707362
So the typical "OMG LEN IS SOOOO HOT HE HAS LIEK THE BEST VOICE EVAR I LIKE TO SEE HIM MAKE YAOI WITH KAITO XDDDD!!!!!!" fan is a good fan in your opinion?

I know we sound kind of snobbish ITT. But as someone who's encountered many Vocaloid "fans" in person I can say many people who claim to like Vocaloid are obnoxious twats that don't listen to the music outside of "Dark Woods Circus" and "Servant of Evil" type songs.

>>6707362
>UTAU
the only good ones are the VIPPALOIDS

other than that I blame the mmd community for making vocaloid terrible

>>6707358
Calling Vocaloid mainstream is probably overexaggerating it, but it's certainly getting there. The big producers are beginning to amass quite a large following over on nicovideo, and they're also gaining tons more english-speaking fans as well lately. The fact that it's gaining recognition on magazines and talkshows is a result of this, and those may spark even more interest in the program.

>>6707362
Admittedly, I tend to categorize Vocaloid fans a lot. There are the facebook groups and various forums that do nothing but repost the "classics" over and over and over while obsessing over pictures, pairings, and the vocaloids themselves. Then there's the more knowledgeable group of people who know a decent amount of information about the producers and what's going on in nicovideo. Sadly, there aren't a whole lot of people in the second category, in my opinion.

I follow a few producers but I'm loathe to share anything good with /jp/ most days.

Yeah, Vocaloid got overexposed. Which is strange that such a thing can happen given that it is software used to create "pop music" but I digress.

There's definitely some good stuff out there, it's just that at best /jp/ is tsundere for it.

>>6707011

I hate Len as well, after watching SPICE! and RIP=RELEASE, I can't stand the little fucker. Not to mention his voice is pretty shitty.

And why the fuck is loved by so many hambeasts, kaito is the superior male vocaloid because his voice sounds good and he's not portrayed as a man-slut like len is. Also, gakupo's pretty cool too.


Out of all the vocaloids though (male & female), Luka is my favorite because her voice is beautiful & soothing, and her english is pretty good for a japanese vocaloid.

Also, I didn't have any picture of Kaito & Luka together, so i'm just going to bump with ANTI THE HOLIC

Touhou is more mainstream now than Vocaloid was when the shitposting started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ahyHeCnBY
only good len song.. which also has rin in it.

>>6707546
Haha, I had loved that song; it was my introduction into マイゴッドP's (MyGod-P?) works. Shame that he doesn't have much else just like that. My favorite Len song is definitely Borderlands, though. Excellent guitars and mixing/mastering in that song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNk84bX52N4

>>6707416
There are a couple of non-vippaloid UTAU I like.

The rest are horrible shit.