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7930076 No.7930076 [Reply] [Original]

Is it just me or is /jp/ anti-original content? It seems like whenever someone produces something they get accused of attention-whoring.

Is /jp/ just not the correct place for original content or do you think the people who publish original content are doing something wrong.

>> No.7930078

Call me crazy but isn't attention the thing that nourishes a lot of creators.

>> No.7930082

Just because it's original content doesn't make it good.

>> No.7930085
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>> No.7930090

If you want people to suck your dick you should try another board.
As long as you post OC as an anon and don't ask people to praise you, I don't see any problem

>> No.7930086

>>7930082
Is it supposed to be good you dolt? Everyone has to start off somewhere.

>> No.7930093

They're liked when they are good and don't create their own threads.

I for one greatly enjoy the works of that one fellow with the absurd numbers of cups and that other one who draws oppai loli a lot.

>> No.7930098

Sure thing buddy.

>>7895887

>> No.7930100

>>7930078
That actually makes perfect sense.

>> No.7930108

>>7930090
Does the thought of someone getting credit for the work they've done bother you so much? I don't really see the logic behind that. If you're one of those people who think 4chan should not allow users to post with a tripcode then don't bother responding. Only manchildren think that way.

>> No.7930118

As long as you put in a little bit of effort you don't really get terrorised especially if you ask for pointers, red lining and the like. You'll still have a high chance of getting ignored though. Oh, and this >>7930090

>> No.7930122

>>7930093
>They're liked when they are good and don't create their own threads.

Are you serious. How do you expect an idea to get noticed if the producer doesn't advertise? I'm not saying they should spam their project every other day, but creating just one or two threads is not enough to get any idea noticed, I don't care how good it is.

>> No.7930128

>>7930122
Unless they are prolific. and besides if you want to advertise, go do it in one of the creative boards.

I bet a lot of repliers in here dont even go to the OC thread, and just apply their general hatred of attention. Creativity can't just run on the motivation of "its fun", because in some cases its not.

>> No.7930131

>>7930108
Newfag.

If your work is good, we'll all recognize it and you can prove your identity with more of your work. If your work doesn't speak for itself, then it sucks.

>> No.7930139

Off-topic stuff is considered spam. For example, anime and self made art.
Those sudo shitposters make a lot of OC too but it's still consider shit even when they have good photoshop skills.

If you want people to grade your art go try >>>/ic/ or some other place. But you obviously don't want that, so you post on /jp/ instead.

>> No.7930141

>>7930108
You don't need an identity attached to your works.
Just posting images will be enough.

Also, take a look at >>7929983
This is how /jp/'s tripfags act.

>> No.7930148

>>7930098
I'm not referring to the type of content that gets posted in those original content threads. In those threads it's mostly artist posting small scale projects. I'm referring to the large scale projects like indie games and VNs that require their own threads. In threads like that you almost always see someone getting shitted on. Perfect example:
http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/thread/7896536

The OP even went as far as starting the thread anonymously in fear of manchildren like this [>>7930090] who for whatever reason are offended by the thought of someone getting praised for hard work.

>> No.7930149 [DELETED] 

>>7930122
Single pictures don't have enough substance to merit their own threads and if the artist in question has a large enough number of pictures he can always link to his pixiv, the generalized drawthreads are therefore suitable for all artists and anyone who posts their work outside them without good reason deserves to be shunned. As for VN projects, they would've been okay except they have no substance behind them and no one wants to have a vaporware that won't get off the ground #35 thread. Those that do exist are disliked because they're terrible and/or have far more than one threads about them. In addition, even if you want to recruit people, one should first get work done on a new VN. Pretty much no one does that, those who do are often silent (like that one guy who worked 7 months or so on his title screen and a further 3 months on the text box.) and therefore never draw ire.

It's not the OC that is disliked, it's how it's presented, ie. horribly.

>> No.7930155

Get the fuck out already Kritz.

>> No.7930163

/jp/ was very receptive to me when I made my little piece of /jp/ history, the /jp/ themesong, a few years ago. I think the main important thing is to stay anon and not act self important or stuck up. /jp/ likes original content, but is very quick to detect attention whores.

>> No.7930164

>>7930148
Kritzinger (The leader of the team) doesn't have a very good history with /jp/, and western VN's are shit 99% of the time.
The hostile people are acting like that, because it's a very normal opinion on something like this.
Personally, I'm quite looking forward to whatever may become of this project.

>> No.7930161

>>7930141
That's how the sudo spam followers act, there are decent trips too, its all about how you conduct yourself, just as when you're anonymous. but that debate is for elsewhere.

My opinion is either to keep it in the OC thread, or take it to a creative board that its meant for.

>> No.7930162

>>7930122
Single pictures don't have enough substance to merit their own threads and if the artist in question has a large enough number of pictures he can always link to his pixiv, the generalized drawthreads are therefore suitable for all artists and anyone who posts their work outside them without good reason deserves to be shunned. As for VN projects, they would've been okay except they have no substance behind them and no one wants to have a vaporware that won't get off the ground #35 thread. Those that do have content are disliked because they're terrible and/or have far more than one threads about them, often for no good reason at all (see Kritzinger, "HELLO THERE WE ARE MAKING A VN. WHAT IS IT ABOUT, YOU SAY? WELL WHO KNOWS?!?!?!?! BUT IT'S SUSPENSE HORROR. ENJOY THIS THREAD AND DISCUSS UH, I DUNNO.") In addition, even if you want to recruit people, one should first get work done on a new VN. Pretty much no one does that, those who do are often silent (like that one guy who worked 7 months or so on his title screen and a further 3 months on the text box.) and therefore never draw ire.

It's not the OC that is disliked, it's how it's presented, ie. horribly.

>> No.7930167

>>7930131
>Newfag.

I leave /jp/ for a few months and /b/ terms like "newfag" have become the norm? Back in my days we had our own dialect for such terms. (Newfriend.) Normally I'd call you an idiot but maybe /jp/ has changed this much. Carry on.

>> No.7930179

>>7930167
"Newfriend" is still the standard, and "newfag" is only used by /a/b/v/ people.
"Newfriend" is still a horrible term though, since it insinuates that we're friends, and that they're not scum.

>> No.7930175

>>7930167
Wow you're such an oldfag. Remember the Scientology raids we used to post about?

>> No.7930177 [DELETED] 

>You'll have to appreciate shit or else it'll stop pouring out!
This thread.

>> No.7930184

>>7930148
>The OP even went as far as starting the thread anonymously in fear of manchildren

Implying that it's standard to OP with a tripcode AND you know what the OP is thinking? You've failed on many levels. This isn't the board for you.

>> No.7930185

>>7930128
>if you want to advertise, go do it in one of the creative boards.

Attention is what creators want, boards like that fail to give the creator sufficient attention.

>> No.7930186

>>7930090
This is the nice thing about the OC thread. It's pretty neutral. You're not obligated to comment and there's not so much of the attention-whoring or unwarranted self-promotion bullshit that goes on elsewhere.

>> No.7930190

>>7930167
You are clearly new yourself if you don't know "newfag" was around way before "newfriend."

>> No.7930198

>>7930175
>oldfag
Yup, you're an idiot. Hint, words like that make you stick out like a sore thumb here. Try to learn /jp/'s dialect before posting.

>> No.7930209

>>7930198
...you've gotta be trolling.
No one can be THAT dumb.

>> No.7930208

>>7930198
~Aspergers~

>> No.7930214

>>7930198
HE IS BEING SARCASTIC.
It baffles me time after time how hard it is for /jp/ to detect sarcasm.
Perhaps we really should be using emoticons and smileys, they seem to make the whole deal a lot easier.
Fucking hell.

>> No.7930215

We got a very prominent group of meme-spouting retards pretending they own this place. They love reposted images and recycled posts. See past their antics, their word means nothing here, no matter much they like to pretend otherwise.

>> No.7930219

>>7930162
>no one wants to have a vaporware that won't get off the ground #35 thread
Well maybe if /jp/ gave the producers a better reception more projects would come to fruition.

>> No.7930223

does anyone have all/most of the OC nekoarcs they could upload? mediafire or w/e

>> No.7930244

>>7930163
>/jp/ was very receptive to me when I made my little piece of /jp/ history, the /jp/ themesong
Holy shit, I thought you'd never appear again. Didn't you say you'd never come out and say "I'm the guy who created the /jp/ theme song." It's a shame you're so anonymous. You're the perfect example of why people shouldn't be so anonymous with their content. (It's impossible to track you and see what else you're working on.)

Your /jp/ theme song changed the life of several people. I wish I could go into details about it one of these days.

>> No.7930248

Protip: no one who calls himself True NEET gives a shit about your fanfiction garbage.

It's much more entertaining to see you conceited deviantart migrants huff and puff when we tell you to fuck off. because you thought /jp/ is like /a/ where your kind is worshiped. It's not. We're a far better board than that shithole.

>> No.7930262

This book is dedicated, in respect and admiration, to the spirit that lives in the computer.

>> No.7930268

>>7930163
>/jp/ was very receptive to me
Out of all the OC I've seen posted on /jp/ you're the only one who seems to have gotten a good reception. Your thread received a lot of responses and very few haters. I admit I'm still a little jealous of how people reacted to it. I've published much larger scale projects yet I didn't get half as good as a reception as you.

>> No.7930272

>>7930244
>>7930163
I hope this guy jerking you off to "prove" his point doesn't change anything for you.

>> No.7930294

>>7930163
> I made my little piece of /jp/ history, the /jp/ themesong,
Liar

>> No.7930310

>>7930248
>Only people from deviantart create original content. All original content is a form of fanfiction. You're not a TRUE NEET if you're in any way productive.

Moron.

>> No.7930319

>>7930310
Unfortunately, shit is shit.

>> No.7930320

>>7930310
Says the person who comes to an anonymous imageboard with little to no moderation in search of praise and who becomes butthurt when cut down to size.

>> No.7930325

1. My project is grandoise in scale and will surely be a hit. There cannot be anything wrong with it.
2. Without doubt, other people will also enjoy my project. I will tell them about it so that they can praise my superior intelligence, talent and creativity; even though I've done jack shit and the "project" cannot be played in any shape or form. I refuse to construct a prototype because I am too lazy, but there's no doubt that this can be excused.
3. While I am at it, I will also rely on my thread to recruit other people that will contribute to a "project" that currently consists of absolutely nothing, out of the goodness in their hearts. I am doing this because even though the vital aspects of the project like "brainstorming" and "concept development" are complete, I am unable to write, draw, compose, program or do anything else that will be actually useful other than trying to make other people work to realize my shitty project ideas.
4. My thread didn't go well, let me create it again later.
5. Repeat step 4 until creator is bored and/or the board has had enough with the creator's shit.
6. My project is not received well. Since there are no faults with the project, it must be /jp/ users who are faulty.
7. Make a thread whining about it.

Superb. Honestly, superb.

>> No.7930332

>>7930272
While it is true that I was jerking him off, I wasn't trying to make a point. That /jp/ theme song inadvertently resulted in a couple of life changing events for me. I do like the way he went about releasing that song, I just wish I knew who he was.

>> No.7930341

>>7930268
Your projects were probably crap. I'm going to guess that you've posted them under a tripcode and can't understand why someone who does good work would actually stay anonymous. You may be thinking too much about the social validation you could get and not enough about actually producing something good.

>> No.7930348

>>7930325
I've just been read like a book. Feels bad man.

>> No.7930360

>>7930348
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkdU8Du-R4I&t=0m39s

>> No.7930395

>>7930320
>Says the person who comes to an anonymous imageboard
The only reason people come here to talk about their project is because most boards out there that specialize in original content don't get a lot of traffic.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with someone getting praise and name recognition for what they've done. Name recognition is a form of marketing. If you look at it from a business point of view, a name is kind of like a logo.

Even if they didn't post with a name, people like you would still get pissed at anything that could be used to identify them. Think about the whole "KS-dev" thing, I bet most people who say that don't know the monikers of a single KS dev. Too long; didn't read. /jp/ has a problem with any form of identification.

>> No.7930414

>>7930395
>I honestly don't see what's wrong with someone getting praise and name recognition for what they've done.

The problem is that 99% of them haven't actually done anything, except maybe to shit up the board in a desperate attempt to become e-famous.

>> No.7930428 [DELETED] 

>>7930414

>> No.7930443

I'm failing to see the difference between a person who spams their content anonymously and a person who spams their content under a tripcode? In both cases the producer wants a reception. Maybe I've matured to the point where I can no longer see the difference between the two.

>> No.7930452

original content goes in the original content thread

>> No.7930449

>>7930395
>most boards out there that specialize in original content don't get a lot of traffic.
I believe you mean to say "I crave attention and those boards provide insufficient amounts, despite being capable of offering sound advice and having more talented users that may join the project than /jp/ and its bitter shut-ins."

>I honestly don't see what's wrong with someone getting praise and name recognition for what they've done.
The problem isn't people getting recognition for what they're doing, it's people trying to get recognition for what they aren't doing. Most "projects" here involve some Deviantart reject throwing in a hastily constructed, terrible project idea and expecting adoring worship for all eternity without any attempt at all to actually improve their shitty excuse of a project, like say, with a playable demo. How can one expect recognition and praise when his project almost completely lacks a demo, preview or anything else that allows potential readers to try it out? Do they have offer blind, unwavering support just for the sake of the project's producers? You baffle me.

And no, Kritzinger, screenshots don't count and neither do heroine listings and other such crap. At least KS got it right in releasing a demo so that people can know what to expect. And by the way, KS is disliked not because it's original content, it's disliked for the same reason as Sengoku Rance is: All there is to discuss about it has been discussed, and the very name draws in all those misbegotten cretins from /a/ and /v/.

>Even if they didn't post with a name, people like you would still get pissed at anything that could be used to identify them.
Consider how there are people on /jp/ who can be readily identified by other means and earn nothing but praise, like the aforementioned Miku fellow with the cups. Consider also how you're not one of them not because of any fault on the part of /jp/ but because you're a whiny piece of shit.

>> No.7930471

ITT: people cannot make anything by themselves and get jealous of other people who can. Thus, they want everyone to stay anonymous so nobody will get any credit.

This attitude really reminds me of the USSR communism.

>> No.7930469

>>7930395
If a name is "marketing," then of course no one wants names attached to anything. Why would anyone want to be "sold" something based on the name and not the content?

>/jp/ has a problem with any form of identification
See >>7930131

>> No.7930480

>>7930471
>Poster who cannot make anything original and of value. Must rely on tripcode to stand out.

See what I did there?

>> No.7930485

>>7930471
/jp/ is the home of miserable people

>> No.7930493

>>7930480
>anything original and of value
I'd like to know what do you mean by "original and of value".

>> No.7930494

>>7930449
>I crave attention and those boards provide insufficient amounts
Are you honestly trying to make the case that quality responses are better than quantity? Sorry but that's not the way it works with ideas. Ask any producer if they can choose between their project being seen by a million people or being seen by a thousand "experts", they'd choose the average Joes without hesitating. When it comes to original content recognition is the name of the game.

Also, not everyone is looking for collaborations with their projects, some just want their projects to be known. Praise, attention, validation, profit and etc... are incentives that have pushed humanity forward since the middle ages. As you mature you'll learn why they're not the "bad guys" of success.

>> No.7930500 [DELETED] 

>>7930480
I don't see what your statement has to do with this situation. Even if someone will provide original and valuable content people will still bitch about providing it anonymously.

Since when /jp/ became "/a/non legion"?

>> No.7930505

>>7930494
Indeed, I'm sure /jp/ is the perfect place to look for millions of average joes.

>> No.7930509

>>7930443
See
>>7930414

Phrasing your argument as having "matured to [a] point" only shows your inability or unwillingness to address the reasons already stated against your stance. You're repeating the same things without countering what has already been said.

>> No.7930526

>>7930471
This thread really comes down to capitalism vs communism. I bet the people here who're saying you should never post with a name are the same people who say software should always be open source.

Communist scum.

>> No.7930528

>>7930480
I don't see what your statement has to do with this situation. Even if someone would provide an original and valuable content, people would still bitch about it, unless poster is anonymous.
People want to be associated with the provided work. They want it to be "drawing by /jp/", not a "drawing by jonny". They cannot do something by themselves, so they rely on the other people from the same community who can provide a descent works.
It's really pathetic.
And of course I'm not talking about sonichu-level works.

Since when /jp/ became "/a/non legion"?

>> No.7930554

>>7930493
Use a dictionary. If you want to debate how value and originality are in the eye of the beholder, then you should make a thread about what content should be acceptable on the board.

>> No.7930559

Hey, I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed Magic Time. I put a whole 2 days' worth of effort into it.

>> No.7930566

>>7930090
Aren't tripcode for people who provide content though?

>> No.7930575

>>7930528
>People want to be associated with the provided work. They want it to be "drawing by /jp/", not a "drawing by jonny".

Your generalization was already disproven by the guy who anonymously made the /jp/ theme song.

>> No.7930574

>>7930559
what the HELL is MaGiC TiMe???

>> No.7930580

>>7930214
Hint: Are you Fustrated? Don't let your bleeding butt stain your chair.

>> No.7930585

The only problem that I foresee with OC is a group of artists constantly circlejerking each others work. It happens at least once in every artist community.

>> No.7930591

>>7930414
>The problem is that 99% of them haven't actually done anything, except maybe to shit up the board in a desperate attempt to become e-famous.
As far as I know the only person who has shitted up the board while advertising their thread is mugen, and not even he's that much of a problem. /jp/ is a board that gets spammed constantly, yet the threads people seem to get most uptight in are the OC threads.

>>7930325
>4. My thread didn't go well, let me create it again later.
Ask yourself this, is that really so bad? The author has spent months working on his project, it didn't get much of a response, so he creates a few more threads. Only in extreme cases does it get to the point where an author is jamming it down /jp/'s throat. Believe it or not, sometimes threads just go unnoticed. I once released one of my projects and it received 10 responses, I made the exact same thread the next day and it received 300 responses. If I gave up after the first thread no one would have heard about my project.

>> No.7930594

>>7930575
I think you shouldn't expect everyone to be the Good Samaritan.

>> No.7930605

>>7930575
>Your generalization was already disproven by the guy who anonymously made the /jp/ theme song.
I'm talking about the people who provide no content, not about those who provide it.
You seem to have misunderstood this line.

>> No.7930606
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/jp/ isn't against original content.
/jp/ just doesn't like people being asses over their original content.

We have long, long, chain threads about the making of content most of all time.
Most people who contribute there are good about it. Many are also recognized, but since they don't go "Wow! Here! Here! Look at me [name]!! I did this! Look at it! I am amazing for having done this!" It doesn't need to be so bad.
In fact, many try to be rather humble, yet contributing.

I also love when original content spawns more creative orignal content.
I am going to get the mug one day, but so far, I am happy my PSP could get this skin.

>> No.7930609

>>7930566
That's why /bun/ is a better place than /jp/, with forced anon.

>> No.7930611

>>7930494
>Are you honestly trying to make the case that quality responses are better than quantity?

Yes, quality responses are indeed better than quantity when your project has virtually nothing behind it, as is almost always the case on fledgling /jp/ projects. When you are developing your awful excuse of a project, if you try to pander that crap to an audience, you're going to lose that audience. Recognition works both ways, you see. It's suitable for bigger studios to announce their new games ahead of time because those can already be trusted to do a decent job, but no team on 4chan has that sort of credibility, they're judged solely via the work they have put out. If your project is bad, you're an useless piece of shit. If you make new threads about it without any explicit improvement, then you're an useless and annoying piece of shit, and a board like /jp/ isn't going to put up with your tomfoolery for long.

If you've seen a large enough number of /jp/ projects, though it's quite obvious you haven't, you'll notice that they start with pretty much nothing. It would be acceptable if they were trying to get recognized with a proper piece of work, but they are literally offering nothing in return for attention and praise. I'm not buying into this, I don't see why anyone would. It becomes even worse if the project is recruiting members - what those threads say is that the creator himself is too lazy or incompetent to put any effort behind his project and is looking for people who will make his shit happen for him. Yes, that will work well. That will work very well indeed.

And note how you're choosing a single point out of the ten or so I've made so far to argue against? Great job defending your stance here, champ.

>> No.7930612

>>7930559
>I put a whole 2 days' worth of effort into it.
The whole effort thing is bullshit. I worked on one project for 2 months--nonstop, without bathing or leaving my room and it received a small reception. I worked on another project for two days and it received a huge reception. So much for effort.

>> No.7930620
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7930620

Schrödinger was recognzied all the time when posting.
Yet Schrödinger didn't have a trip, or even a name in the field, and behaved like a regular anonymous browser, who happened to have drawn a few images and had some education in the manner of art.

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>> No.7930633

>>7930566
>Aren't tripcode for people who provide content though?
Remilia provides content.
Hong provides content.
Status kun provides content.
And so on.

All of them provides great content, and their trip codes serves as a means of reliability.

VDZ also carries a trip code when related. That way you can know it isn't someone elses FTP you connect to.

>> No.7930636

So if I understand this thread, people are coming to a free message board where anonymity seems to be encouraged by most of the user base. And, instead of going along with it, they are trying to argue that people should take monikers. And that creators should especially do this.

Who could possibly like doing something artistic/useful without wanting something in return right? Anyone who does must clearly be crazy.

For all those arguing for using tripcodes, I don't give a damn if you do. But it seems like many reasons were given against it in this thread. And, if you insist on arguing against what was already an established community mindset instead of taking their reaction and criticism to heart, then you deserve any backlash you receive when you post with a tripcode here.

Just by 2 cents

>> No.7930642

If the /jp/ theme song guy made his thread with a tripcode what difference would it have made.

>> No.7930649

>>7930620
I only know one Schrödinger and that's dead physicist Erwin Schrödinger. Who the fuck are you talking about?

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>>7930649
An artist who posted on /jp/ from time to time, and supposedly lurked even more.

>> No.7930670

>>7930649
You and I would probably know him if he had posted under a moniker. Oh well.

This thread has been reduced to the time old debate of anonymous v tripcode. I used to argue against tripcodes and any form of attention for work, but now I see how silly such a way of thinking was. There's pros and cons to both of them. Stop pushing your ideology on other people.

>> No.7930722

>>7930670
Anyway, I've been drawing for OC threads for over a year now, never used a name, but I can be easily recognized by the artstyle, and that's enough for me.

>> No.7930715

>>7930670
>This thread has been reduced to the time old debate of anonymous v tripcode
This was determined by the framing of the OPs post. He took the step of correlating original content posting with attention-whoring.

His original question is
>Is it just me or is /jp/ anti-original content?

The more natural follow-up to it would be something like "should we just post news and pre-existing images and discuss them instead?"

>> No.7931210

>>7930722
What's good for you isn't necessarily good for everyone now is it.

>> No.7931276

>>7930661
Lambda!

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The work is meant to stand on its own. An identity is not required for that. Credit is kept when possible.

I think what makes /jp/ any different is that we expect the attention to be a side-product of the content, instead of being fed content for the attention alone. Of course anything you produce should get some eyeballs so you can get a proper response to improve or feel some sense of satisfaction, but when attention becomes the sole goal, that's where we draw the line.

Yes, unfortunately it has made us a bit paranoid about anything and everyone that tries to push for a half-baked project, as they're more often than not a form of blackmailing. "I will continue IF you shower me with attention" it feels as if they were saying.

People have managed to carve a niche in this environment, so it's not the board that it's the problem, but the artist attitude. You better check that at the door mister.

>> No.7931347

>>7931329
>I will continue IF you shower me with attention" it feels as if they were saying
Or maybe, just maybe they want to see if the market has any demand for their product?

>> No.7931359

>>7931347
Jaypee is where dem big bucks be at.

>> No.7931394

>>7930661
Oh I remember that, they never did my request ;_;

>> No.7931404

>>7931329
Not all projects are primary projects. Some creators make things simply to build an audience. The idea is to gain a following with something that appeals to a lot of people, then you can use the following you gained to make people pay attention to your niche stuff. Basic marketing 101.

>>7931359
You have a problem with my analogies? Fuck you.

>> No.7931408

>>7930167
People like you make me side with the shitposters.

>> No.7931418

>>7931404
It's no wonder that in the long existence of 4chan only a handful of projects ever took off. KS only kept going because they broke all bonds with 4chan to the point where 4chan had nothing to do with it. I find the anti-creativity atmosphere on this board to be quite disturbing. I guess on 4chan it's more about fitting in than standing out. That explains why so many people monkey memes all day.

>> No.7931421

I've made some OC in the years that I've been on /jp/. I've never been accused of attention whoring.

>> No.7931425

>>7931408
Aww, are you still upset after four hours has passed since that was posted? Let me give you a hug.

>> No.7931438

>>7931408
Thats right because if someone says something to upset you, you just pull down your pants and smear shit all over yourself and try to rub your shit in their faces.

Of course, you 3rd world internet browsers are a funny lot.

>> No.7931445

>>7931418
Pfft, I did a short doujin with /jp/ people. We got it sold in Comiket. We still don't get any attention for it, but I'm proud we made it.

Please, if all you're after is constant lavishing then feel free to take your creative power to a place where it will be better received.

>> No.7931453

>>7931418
A lot of OC projects has come from 4chan. Just not from /jp/. Children think that it is cool and ``elite'' to act like an angry asshole here. There is too much focus on the board instead of the content. Too much self-observation.

>> No.7931455

>>7931445
It wasn't all that long ago we used to have /jp/ Original content threads.

eh, if you stay here long enough you'll notice /jp/ has bouts of complete shittiness and then goes back to the usual /jp/ alot of time the its shit because of new users coming in and using trying to ironic or don't know what to post so shitpost and indulge in shitposting.

>> No.7931463

>>7931455
>It wasn't all that long ago we used to have /jp/ Original content threads.
Wait, why are you speaking in past tense?

>> No.7931478

>>7931463
Perhaps because 70% of it was ̶d̶e̶l BALETTED.

>> No.7931504

None of the people who cry about not receiving enough attention, or being accused of attention whoring, care about creating anything at all - or else they wouldn't be bothered by insignificant shit like that. And if they were, they'd just go somewhere else for their audience and create anyway.
But they don't want to create anything.
They just want attention.
Why are we even seriously discussing this? Does anyone care what some spoiled manchild would have created if only /jp/ wasn't so mean? Really now?

>> No.7931510

>>7931478
Posting on 4chan is a risky enterprise.
Shit happens all the time.

>> No.7931535

>>7931504
Regardless if you admit it or not, there's always a motive behind every action. Some people create things for praise and admiration while others create for money and influence. Whatever the reason, you're in no position to judge them. If nobody wanted attention as you claim, there would have never been an OC thread on 4chan, ever. OC would just sit on people's harddrives to rust.

>> No.7931543

>>7930076
You seem to have a wrong definition of "orginal content". Think about the word "orginal".

>> No.7931566

>>7931535
Nope.
"Here, I made this cool thing; maybe other people would enjoy seeing it too!"
Desire to share what you created isn't the same as the desire for yourself to receive attention.
The ones whining are the ones who don't care whether their work is seen, they are the ones who care whether THEY are paid attention to.

>> No.7931588

I think that the issue is that you can't post anything here (outside of the OC thread) without 15 idiots telling you what shit it is. It wouldn't matter if you were the best artist on earth, /jp/ would still call your work shit and claim to report you for spam. Not that other boards are different.

And just why the fuck is loli not allowed on /i/? Fuck you moot you fucking normalfaggot.

>> No.7931590

>>7931566
>"Here, I made this cool thing; maybe other people would enjoy seeing it too!"
Bullshit. I bet you also believe people donate to charities simply because they want to help. Google dopamine and realize we're all guilty of doing things for our personal gain.

>> No.7931608

Ahahaha oh wow. People are complaining about the OC folks attention whoring when /jp/ has blog threads that reek of /soc/ & /b/ levels of retardation on a regular basis, which fill up instantly? That's fucking rich. /jp/ - hyprocracy general. Stay classy guys.

inb4 I'm accused by tinfoil hat /a/non's as being a "butthurt OCfag". I have never created an ounce of OC.

>> No.7931639

ITT WE ARE ANONYMOUS WE ARE LEGION

But seriously, I don't have a problem with tripfags posting their work, it gives us a defined person to insult.

And they know that when they post it.

>> No.7931640

>>7931608
Any more memes you care to cram in while you're here?

>> No.7931652

>>7931608
>has blog threads that reek of /soc/ & /b/ levels of retardation on a regular basis
The, "I am NEET and have nothing to eat. How do you usually get by /jp/?"
"I actually don't bother going to the toilet. I read about people pissing in bottles and shitting on the floor, and always took it as empty sarcasm. But now I admit to shitting in the corner and pissing in bottles for real."
"I live with my parents for supplies. Things have been good for most part but I am starting to worry that they can't house me any longer soon. How do you get by without your parents when you are incapable of doing anything?"
And so on ― ― ―

Those threads? They are all anonymous, and more often than not a shared experience with people of similair circuimstances or insight.

>> No.7931662

I think both sides make some good points. But I'm too lazy to write up a thoughtful response.

>> No.7931669

>>7931652
The shitting on the floor thing is the stupidest meme /jp/ ever produced.

>> No.7931713

>>7931669
...not by a long shot, no.

>> No.7931729

It feels good to share things people like or to make people laugh. I think that's what a lot of creative people are after, aside from liking to make things. And the uglier kind of attention seeking is usually there too, but mature people should know to dial it down. If your ego is in check, and you're not clogging up the board, then when people give you shit about OC you know they've got nothing on you.

>> No.7931740

>>7931652
>They are all anonymous
I think you take the anonymous thing too far. You should judge people by their actions, not by their identity. A shitpost is a shitpost regardless if its anonymous. Likewise, a blog is still a blog regardless if its a tripfriend.

>> No.7931782

The current original content thread has been more active than usual. Just saying.

>> No.7931900

>>7931729
>It feels good to share things people like or to make people laugh.
Oh please, get over yourself princess. Got any other wholesome stories of good and evil for us? The /a/nons who started KS all those years ago didn't do it because they loved the creation process, nor did they do it to make people happy. They did it for the same reason everyone does it, to let as much people as possible experience their ideas. Fun fact, not a single founder is still working on KS. The project was taken over by people they met on other forums. So much for your "creating things to make people happy" garbage. They started something that overwhelmed them and quit. They apparently didn't enjoy the creation process too much.

>> No.7931920

>>7931900
By now you're just spouting irrelevant nonsense and contradicting yourself in the process.
Calm down.

>> No.7931940

>>7931920
I'll calm down if you don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension. I was making the point that. You know what, never mind.

>> No.7931976

>>7931940
>I was making the point that. You know what, never mind
See?
Calm down, take a deep breath, and state your arguments calmly.
It's fine, we'll wait.

>> No.7931971

>>7930449
>he doesn't know that they already released 10 minutes of gameplay video on youtube

Good job at making yourself out to be a huge butt fucking loser anon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snjylLUx2TM

>> No.7931990

>>7931971
Yeah.
And they were posting SC on /jp/ long before that(not to mention that trailer just proved how ridiculously bad what they had so far was).
Just stop trying already, Kritz.

>> No.7931997

>>7931900
Agreed. Nobody ever has made anything solely for the sake of doing it. There is always an ulterior motive.

>> No.7932019
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The thread talking about /jp/ original content has more replies than the thread with actual /jp/ original content. I'm going to take points away for that.

>> No.7932018

>>7931971
I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about Shock Cocoon. Stop talking about it until it is released.

>> No.7932021

Please stop creating meta threads and talking about me in them. I've already reserved myself to the fact that people (from /jp/) don't like me, as such I hardly post with my tripcode anymore (When I do it's so people know it's so people can direct feedback to me directly).

However, don't you dare talk down the amount of effort people are putting into Shock Cocoon. These development teams members are putting more time and effort into this FREE game (ie; MAKING IT FOR YOU) - than most of you put effort into your own lives.

Go ahead and talk shit about me, I can take it. Leave the rest of the development team alone.

I honestly don't understand why I've spend hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars of my own money on this; right now I'm personally motivated mostly by the fact I rub this visual novel's success in your face later on.

brb, registering Studio Nihi as a non-profit 501c3 just to make you all even madder.

>> No.7932025

>>7932021
Your development team are retards for working on such a shit project for so long.

>> No.7932034

>>7932021
>I honestly don't understand why I've spend hundreds of hours and hundreds of...
This is usually what people start to figure out and realize when they are trying to climb the wall named 'Work'. Hence why bigger project that actually might have some real value stop in their tracks unfinished.

>> No.7932042

>>7932021
It's funny how to don't dismiss the fact that you are viraling your shitty visual novel on /jp/ of all places.

>brb registering Studio Nihi as a non-profit 501c3 to make you all even madder

Do whatever you want. It's fun to watch someone get incredibly angry at a group of anonymous posters. Even more so since you are going at such lengths to "piss" off /jp/.

>> No.7932051

>>7932021
I think you are the frustrated that no one like you.
Stick with >>>/a/.

>> No.7932047

>>7932025
While you're busy being mad, I'll be busy making games.

>> No.7932058

>>7932047
Nah, it looks like you're busy trying to make yourself more important than anonymous people on an image board.

>> No.7932054

>>7932021
>(ie; MAKING IT FOR YOU)
Hahaha, nice joke there. We all know what are you real foolish intentions and silly dreams.

Once again you are pulling the "lol u guys are just mad as fuck, i can't hear you lalalalalala mad fuck nerds". It's really sad that you can't see how stupid you are when doing that. Oh well, ignorance is a blessing after all.

Looking forward to your anonymous posts that are so miserable easy to recognize along with friends' posts advertising and spamming this shit all over the board. Oh yeah, can't forget about the trolls that enjoy shitting up the place too.

I also would like to mention that it is lovely how you are trying to get a fanbase at all costs, by talking about this shit on hideous forums that we all hate.

>> No.7932077

>>7932021
If you really want to do something for /jp/, get on a bus with the rest of your hotglue butt buddies and drive it off a cliff.

>> No.7932096

>>7932021
Not all of us are angry and resentful, don't worry. That said, I kind of hope you are seeing a little of why I tried to keep a handle on all the trolling that surrounded our little MMO-escapades way back when.

It feels really bad when you can't shield the people who don't deserve any negative attention.

>> No.7932109

>>7932021
I feel bad for your artist, because he's actually pretty good with backgrounds. A shame that he is not only helping such insufferable person like you, but being the spine holding this project.

What a waste, seriously.

>> No.7932117

>>7932109
This.

>> No.7932141

>>7932021
>>7932047
Did you know that human anuses share the same kind of skin and nerves as on the lips?

That's why big mouths like you are ass pained all the time.

>> No.7932160

>>7930449
>playable demo.
Was there a meeting I missed somewhere that said all original content threads are invalid until a demo is produced. Get off of your high horse you communist.

>> No.7932182

I like the /jp/ OC threads mainly because they differ from the threads that /a/,/v/, or /co/ have which are mainly people requesting 500 drawings of porn from some artist.

>> No.7932199

>>7932019
>The thread talking about /jp/ original content has more replies than the thread with actual /jp/ original content.
That's probably because people avoid OC threads because they know it'll eventually become this:
http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/thread/7896536

The funny thing about that thread is that there was several spam threads up at the time. They'd rather waste their time attacking a developer rather than report the spam threads.

>> No.7932210

There was a haiku thread up last night, probably hasn't crawled off the board unless meido deleted it.

That was amusing to read.

>> No.7932211

>>7931971
Trailers are not good enough for him apparently. In his communist nation only playable demos are allowed.

>> No.7932225

>>7932021
Just to let you know the writing in Shock Cocoon is really horrible. Sentences don't string along together well, awkward descriptions, and wordings pretty bad in it overall. Please get your writer to do a better job.

>> No.7932228

>>7932018
I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about The Dark Knight Rises. Stop talking about it until it is released.

Why? Because I said so.

>> No.7932233

>>7932228
Good thing I never talk about it. Hell, I haven't even heard of it until you mentioned it.

Get out, Nihi dev.

>> No.7932238
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7932238

Hey guys, I'm trying to put together a team for a VN project ^_^. I haven't done any work on it yet, but it's going to be this totally awesome horror twist story where the main character is stalked by three yandere lovers. Here's what I need:

Project Leader: This is me! I won't ever contribute anything to the project, but instead just cheer you all on!

Assistant Leaders: We'll need 2 or 3 people to hang out in the IRC channel and talk about the project without doing anything to work on it.

Writers: I figure we need 3 or 4 of these. Everyone can write part of the story, then we'll integrate them all at the end.

Programmers: 3 or 4 of these as well. We're going to develop our own engine from scratch, despite the fact that we're not doing anything fancy that couldn't be accomplished with existing software. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out the best way of doing this.

Artist: We just need 1 artist, since it hardly takes any time to make backgrounds and CGs. Once the script is written, you ought to be able to crank these out in a week or so.

Composer: 1 one these too, if even that. Maybe the artist can do this in his spare time.

Email me if you're interested!

>> No.7932238,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932021
I have actually never spoken badly about Schock Cocoon or its developers.
And my biggest gist with you yourself have mostly been hotglue circlejerks that have occasionally turned out rather ugly and even managed to spread to other threads somehow.

I am also, still confused as to why you keep posting WH40k Sisters all the time. Must be an inside joke I don't understand. That or it's just a random image you for some reason have gotten attatched to.

>> No.7932238,2 [INTERNAL] 

>Thread does not exist.

It's really easy, okay, here it is, the unofficial whipped-together-in-thirty seconds guide to /jp/ original content.

1. If you make something, you can put it in the OC thread.

2. If you plan to make something, don't post anything until you've actually done it. Then put it in the OC thread.

3. If you're starting a big project and need help, you can make a thread about it. Then don't make a new thread or bump it until you have something to show. For most projects, this will be never.

4. Respond to legitimate criticism, but ignore haters, spammers, and whatever else the /jp/ hate brigade can muster. Your work stands or falls on its own merits. Acknowledge their existence and you deserve all the pain that's coming to you.

>> No.7932238,3 [INTERNAL] 

Stay mad kritz.
Deleting your own thread just cause you didnt get the reponse you want? Hahahaha.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/somad.jpg/

>> No.7932238,4 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,3
Yeah, I'm sure he deleted the other few pages of threads too.

>> No.7932238,5 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238
I don't think half of the people here know what it's like to collaborate. Collaboration isn't for inflating the ego of the original creator, instead it is a mutual exchange of ideas and talents. You can learn a lot of things from collaborating. Also, it's a good way to meet long term partners for future works (i.e., networking).

The lack of completed projects on this board can largely be blamed on our misunderstanding of collaborations. But by all means continue misconstruing the term. And to you lone wolves out there. How's that working out for you? Yeah, I thought so.

>> No.7932238,6 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,5
The lone wolf success rate is quite close to the collaboration success rate in that both of them are pretty much zero.

>> No.7932238,7 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,4
Kritzinger confirmed for janitor. God help us all.

>> No.7932238,8 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,7
Nope. How dare you insult meido like that.

>> No.7932238,9 [INTERNAL] 

>1. If you make something, you can put it in the OC thread.
Nope. OC threads tend to be nothing but /ic/ with Touhous. Consequently, the people who click on those threads are expecting to see art. I don't know about others but I'd never publish a game in one of those threads. The type of OC we're discussing is too big for one thread, let alone, a shared thread.

>2. If you plan to make something, don't post anything until you've actually done it. Then put it in the OC thread.
No trailers then? Oh, okay.

>3.Then don't make a new thread or bump it until you have something to show. For most projects, this will be never.
Imagine if the original KS-devs made only one thread and never bumped it. Would we even know what KS is today?

>4. Respond to legitimate criticism, but ignore haters, spammers, and whatever else the /jp/ hate brigade can muster.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Good job.

>> No.7932238,10 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,9
>The type of OC we're discussing is too big for one thread, let alone, a shared thread.
If for some inexplicable reason somebody on /jp/ has finished an actual game, then by all means make a thread, but this is by and far away the exception to the rule when it comes to OC. Parts and progress, on the other hand, can easily fit in the catchall thread.

>No trailers then? Oh, okay.
Trailers, demos, and sketches are things in their own right.

>Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Good job.
I'm not even sure what this means.

>> No.7932238,11 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,9
>OC threads tend to be nothing but /ic/ with Touhous. Consequently, the people who click on those threads are expecting to see art. I don't know about others but I'd never publish a game in one of those threads.

Eh, it's not nearly so hard-cut as that. People mostly post art because most people only make art. There's been music posted by others before, and I've posted a couple Danmakufu scripts and nobody's complained.

>> No.7932238,12 [INTERNAL] 

There's something quite annoying about the janitor deleting a heated discussion, while at the same time failing to delete various spam threads. Oh well. Yes meta discussions like this should be deleted but wouldn't it be polite for the janitor to first clean up the spam before deleting a thread where legitimate users are having a discussion. It just seems kind of rude. The old meido wouldn't have deleted a thread like this while it was still active.

This is the first time I've complained about a thread deletion on the ghost board by the way.

>> No.7932238,13 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,11
Not at all related to this discussion, but do you know if there are danmakufu scripts out there for most original spellcards, and if so, how hard it would be to smash two of them together?

>> No.7932238,14 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,13
Are you working on a danmaku game or something?

>> No.7932238,15 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,13
I haven't done any work with enemy spellcard scripts, so I don't really know anything about that. There was a huge repository of them linked somewhere though, might've been in the last OC thread I posted Mima in. You could check that.

As for putting two together... again I don't really know since I haven't looked into it, but either it's as simple as letting two, er, bosses run at the same time, or it's a fair bit more complicated and you'd have to work out the timers and sorta blend the codes together. Depends on if they let you run multiple bosses as their own minithreads, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't let you do that.

>> No.7932238,16 [INTERNAL] 

Two unique IP addresses should be required for the initial bump of a thread to the ghost board. This way threads like this [>>7932324] won't pollute the board. If I'm not mistaken the ghost board was created to continue discussions, not whine about your thread getting deleted. It takes two for a discussion, so it only makes sense that two unique IPs would be needed to qualify a thread for the ghost board. What say you, Eksi?

Tag: Eksopl, Eksi, Easymodo, Tokyo, Crystal, Mew, Vale, Gay, Buttsex, Homolust

One of these tags will catch a wild Eksopl. I feel it in my bones.

>> No.7932238,17 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,13
Wait, I just reread what you wrote. I figured you meant if there were danmakufu scripts for ZUN's spellcards.

Are you asking if there's Danmakufu scripts for Danmakufu-created spellcards? I don't really understand... I mean, that's pretty much how it works.

>> No.7932238,18 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,12
But he did delete the spam shortly after he deleted this...

>> No.7932238,19 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,16
Every autist and their dog would just use a proxy.
Better idea: close ghost board posting.

>> No.7932238,20 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,19
No, that's a horrible idea.

>> No.7932238,21 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,9
>Imagine if the original KS-devs made only one thread and never bumped it. Would we even know what KS is today?

Yes, we would. It could've been complete, even, because the developers would be busy developing instead of writing absurdly long blog posts to garner precious attention. Notice how the post also said that threads can be created about new development but you decided to ignore that because it'll rain on your drama whoring parade and that'd be just awful. If the project has something new, then by all means show it. If it doesn't, make something new, and then show it. This way, the project actually has a hope of getting completed instead of being a tool for its producers to gather attention.

You are severely misunderstanding the "large project" cases of /jp/. Those are not the result of the producer showing his hard work and expecting praise in return. For this entire thread, you have presumed that and decided to ignore several replies that told you otherwise. But it is not the case and never was, so you simply sound retarded. Perhaps your project was different and was a significant contribution from the get-go that did not receive due praise, but then your thread shouldn't have been "Why does /jp/ dislike original content?" and should've been "Why does /jp/ dislike my project?" You generalize and try to blame the board because it makes you look less like the sniveling man-child you are.

Here, I will summarize the entire thread to you so that it'll get into that brain of yours:

1. /jp/ does not dislike original content. See how Schroedinger or the guy with a lot of cups is consistently praised.
2. /jp/ does not dislike original content made with the intent of earning the board's trust and praise. See how the Lantern drawfag has gained acceptance since he now knows better than to act like a /b/ reject.
3. /jp/ dislikes vague promises of original content made with the intent of earning the board's trust and praise and by means of posting several threads without any new content until the aforementioned trust and praise is earned. This is because those promises are almost never realized even if attention is given.
4. If /jp/ dislikes your project, it means that your project is bad and that you should improve it. If no one joins your project, it means that your project is not substantial and you must add more content so that you show to potential contributors that you are serious about seeing your project to completion instead of enjoying the brief attention and going back on your word.

Good heavens, you sure are dumb for someone who acts so condescending. Before you say it, it's okay for me to act all high and mighty and insult you every once in a while because I'm right and you're retarded.

>> No.7932238,22 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,3
Jesus christ. I've ignored hotglue and their ilk for the longest time, but this Kritzinger kid comes off as a singularly retarded and delusional individual. Is there a reason squid, sion, the white ren legion, and all of the other trolls/shitposters aren't getting together to slap his shit? Because it would be easy as fuck and would save us from the biggest embarrassment to come out of 4chan since KS.

>> No.7932238,23 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,21
Thank you for making this post. It's prime kopipe material, so don't hesitate to post it again whenever do☆ra☆ma takes place in an OC thread.

>> No.7932238,24 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,22
I think you're too desperate to ruin whatever he's doing, because neither sion or White Rens would give a shit, and it would be reported in the latter case. Squiddy is too busy being x3 more retarded and embarrassing than Kritzinger.

Why can't you do it yourself champ?

>> No.7932238,25 [INTERNAL] 

>>7930566
They are, but such isn't the case anymore. Tripfags used to trip because they are involved in a project, but these days it's the contrary, tripfags make "contributions" because they want people to suck their tripping dicks. Fortunately, such a trend only exists in /a/ as far as I know, and it hasn't spread to /jp/ yet.

Yes I browse /a/ for the occasional anime threads, yes I know it's a shithole, no I won't get out of /jp/.

>> No.7932238,26 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,14
I'm not sitting on any plans to make a danmaku game, but I've always to be able to challenge two spellcards at once, especially if I can combine them at my leisure. Two on one is always more fun.

>>7932238,15
Yeah, I meant ZUN cards. Curse the double meaning of original.

>> No.7932238,27 [INTERNAL] 

Wow, after such a long drama thread, I just want to clarify a couple things:

1. I believe I originally stated that I would never try to link the /jp/ themesong with any other projects of mine, and I believe I have held true to that. IMO The fact that I occasionally show up in /jp/ themesong related threads to say "oh yeah, I'm the guy who made that song" doesn't betray my original point. All I'm doing is showing that the guy who made the song still browses /jp/; I'm not trying to use the "fame" of the song to gain recognition for some other project. Furthermore, I don't even have any actual proof that I'm the real creator of the song. I could provide such proof by doing something like uploading just a single track of the original song, but I have no desire to do so.

2. I admit that I make original content because I like to be complimented for it. I feel satisfied when people compliment my song. I also feel satisfied when people compliment my policy of being just another Anonymous. I didn't mean for the "Anonymous" policy to be such a big deal when I first made the song, I just assumed it was common sense; I didn't expect the song to become so popular either. For some reason though, it seems that the whole "it was made by a random /jp/ Anon" thing became a major part of the /jp/ themesong's appeal. Personally, I don't understand why people think they need to tie a name to a project in order to gain satisfaction from said project being praised. I myself know that I'm the one who made my song, so I gain just as much satisfaction when people say "hey, that's a catchy song" as I would had I attached some silly name and trip to it. Plus, I don't have to deal with people calling me an attention whore, and I get the extra bonus of people complimenting me like I'm some kind of saint of the Anonymous Legion, just because I made something that got popular on the internet and didn't have a name tacked onto it. I don't understand why more people don't do the same thing.

>> No.7932238,28 [INTERNAL] 

Crud, I just realized that this thread is really old, even in terms of ghost posts. Why did I have this thread open anyhow? Damn alcohol.

Please feel free to ignore my stupid embarrassing blog/rant post.

>> No.7932238,29 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,28
No worries, I liked your insight into the discussion. Even if this particular instance is old the topic is still alive, at least in my head.
It's a difficult balance we strive for, encouraging new interesting content while keeping the greed for attention in check. For some it's too much of a compromise and I can sort of understand that. If only they saw that they can get the same feedback as nameless producers and let the product speak for itself.

>> No.7932238,30 [INTERNAL] 

>Personally, I don't understand why people think they need to tie a name to a project in order to gain satisfaction from said project being praised.
Because to some, it's not all about being complimented. When I posted my music on /jp/, I did so with my name and trip so people have an idea of what to expect even before listening if they've heard other tracks by me. When they know that, they can look forward to listening if they like my tracks, or skip it if they don't.

More importantly is the information in the ID3 tags, which is mainly in case the music indirectly reaches somebody who doesn't know where it came from, or if somebody saves it to their HDD and forget which artist made the track. Audio players display the artist name by default, and closer examination of the ID3 tag also gives a link to my Tindeck. Using this information you can find my other music in case you liked a track and want more like it. I have plenty of tracks on my HDD that don't have an artist name or any other kind of attribution, and for some of them I really would like to check out the artist's other work. I'd like to prevent a similar situation from happening with my music.

In the end, all I want is just for people to enjoy my music. My name is just a tool that helps spread the music for people to enjoy.

>> No.7932238,31 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,30
As this anon said, sometimes for certain projects, it's nice to have SOME way to identify those who are connected to it's development. Previous projects (Shock Cocoon comes to mind) didn't have a trip as the OP, so when there are troll threads being made, everyone assumes that the OP is actually one of the devs instead of just trolling.

>> No.7932238,32 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,27
Since you're the guy who made the /jp/ theme song I have respect for you, but uh, I think you're kind of being a little pompous by preaching like that. What's good for you is not necessarily good for everyone, no?

Not having a name on your project floats your boat--I get that, but what about the people out there who get off from seeing their names on things. Who's to say your ethics are superior? Look, when it comes down to it, an incentive is an incentive. All incentives achieve the same goal of motivating the creator to bring a given project to fruition.

-Is AoC (our former meido) an attention whore for putting his name on Anon's Nice Day?
-Is AoRF greedy for putting his name on the board software you're currently taking for granted?
-Is ZUN less of a creator because he thinks differently from you?

This post >>7932238,28 is a perfect example of how different you are from a guy like me. You're so humble and submissive to the point where you apologized just for bumping an old thread on the ghost board. I don't think I've ever seen someone apologize for doing that here in such a manner. If I found out you were a female it wouldn't surprise me. No offense by the way.

P.S. Here's your original post >>2099890 just in case you couldn't find it.

>> No.7932238,33 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,32
>what about the people out there who get off from seeing their names on things.
People like that won't be happy on /jp/ and should rather post on another board.

>> No.7932238,34 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,30
Okay, it's not ALL about being complimented for me either. I do of course enjoy creating the content, and I like the idea that other people enjoy it too. I'm just saying that the fact that I tend to post a lot of my stuff without a name doesn't mean that I don't still feel satisfied when people praise it.

Until a few years ago I used to think that I only made music and other such original content because I wanted other people to enjoy it, and that I was somehow "pure" or whatever because I didn't care about getting praised for it. That seemed like a good reason to not attach a name to my music. But then I realized that, even as an Anon, I was still searching through comments and whatnot to see if people liked my stuff, and I realized that it was kind of silly to feel ashamed about being happy when other people compliment my work.

>>7932238,31
I'm not necessarily against trips or identities really, I think they're fine when they serve a good purpose. Personally though I'm too sporadic and inconsistent to properly use a tripcode, so I stick to being Anonymous. I find it a lot easier and less stressful.

>>7932238,32
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as preachy. Like I said, I'm not really against trips, I just think that a lot of people (mostly people outside of 4chan) overlook the advantages of remaining Anonymous. When I said "I don't understand why more people don't do the same thing." I wasn't trying to say that my way is better, I was just trying to say that since it seems easier for me to do things as an Anon, I don't understand why more people don't also remain Anon when they release things.

I actually think that it takes a lot more effort to maintain a constant identity yet still garner respect in a community like this, than it does to remain Anonymous. The people you listed have all managed to do that. The thing is, I don't know if I'd be able to do that myself, and I think that a lot of other tripfriends on 4chan (and "internet famous" people outside of 4chan) are also failing at it. I feel like it would be better for everyone if more people would release stuff as Anonymous, because then, if the same guy makes some spectacularly shitty post a few days down the road, it won't tarnish his creation.

>If I found out you were a female it wouldn't surprise me. No offense by the way.

None taken, I would think that on /jp/ that would be a compliment if anything...

>> No.7932238,35 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,34
>I actually think that it takes a lot more effort to maintain a constant identity yet still garner respect in a community like this
The culture on 4chan is unique in the sense that users tend to get lambasted for not fitting the 20 year old, Caucasian male mold. Group think is overabundant here. I believe there's a term for people with such narrow minded views.

I don't think it's human nature to post a project without a name attached. (That's not to say there's not legitimate reasons for publishing content anonymously.) On 4chan it seems as if people publish their content anonymously for two reasons.

1. The fear of the aforementioned public ridicule (i.e., group think).
2. The smug mentality of thinking that we're better than those guys who take credit for their work.

You seem to have dabbled in both at one point or another. I think we should oppose such group think mentality and support laissez-faire publishing whenever possible.

>> No.7932238,36 [INTERNAL] 

>On 4chan it seems as if people publish their content anonymously for two reasons.

>1. The fear of the aforementioned public ridicule (i.e., group think).
>2. The smug mentality of thinking that we're better than those guys who take credit for their work.

Oh, I wouldn't say that. I've done both myself, and really I don't think it's that much different from posting content with a name attached. If it's just a one-off thing, a name wouldn't really matter. If it's multiple pieces or some sort of series, it'd be distinguishable even without the name attached.
Really, people place more importance on names and lack thereof than I'd expect. Anonymity is important on 4chan, but in most cases there's no real substantial difference when the name field is filled out.

>> No.7932238,37 [INTERNAL] 

>>7930606
Could anyone upload this?

>> No.7932238,38 [INTERNAL] 

>>7932238,37
Seems like I lost it. Have the high resolution original.
http://i.imgur.com/EBhFQ.jpg

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