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>>8165281
Directed by Sudo.

Your friend wasn't even real. It's _you_ who is on the psychiatric drugs.

i'll have what the HELL he had pl0xs!

>>8165282
That's not how you spell ZUN!bar anon

He's probably gone manic. Don't worry though, he'll come crashing down at some point.

you have a problem?
I had a decent sister once. now she is a normalfag.
...how do I say this word regarding females, without calling my sister a slut?

>>8165301
Word you are looking for is "slut"

>>8165312
any other word?

>>8165313
Cum dumpster was a pretty popular term at some point.

>>8165301
sexually liberated, fellow namefriend

I think drugs make it worse.
Fun.. but without the regret.

>>8165316
>>8165319
how about a name that focuses on the other aspects of a female normalfag? like her shallowness, the way she just go with the stream, her unoriginality and predictibility, etc...

>>8165319
No, the proper term is slut/whore.

Don't try to sugarcoat it.
Same thing with calling retards "special". Retarded is the clinical term, and the correct term.

>>8165292
>Don't worry though, he'll come crashing down at some point.
That's what's fucking worrying me. If it just gets worse, why did they even do it at all?

>>8165329
> like her shallowness, the way she just go with the stream, her unoriginality and predictibility, etc...
sounds like a certain celestial

>>8165337
tenshi isn't that predictable.
She is also not unoriginal might not be the avanguarde, but she doesn't follow the road allready paved by tousends of footsteps.
also, there is no reason to say she is shallow.

really now, leave tenshi alone.

>>8165301
Just say normalfag damn it.

>>8165350
Damn, that second sentence.
Not to be a jerk correcting you, just hope you pick up proper spelling. Tohno has the same problem and I'm embarrassed just reading it.

>>8165292

This.

>>8165362
I know what you mean.

Normals can give you a pill to turn you into one of them? :(

I had a friend like that too. Sick fucker turned into a exhibitionist and would show his wang on webcam to everyone.

>>8165362
Don't patronize me. at least I have better things to do rather than correct people spelling on the internet.

It's a pretty funny situation right now, the drugs we're capable of creating can so radically alter the brain that you will, as OP merely suggested, you can actually BE a different person.

Everything in your brain is simple (simple, and extremely complicated) chemistry. Your established personality is entirely dictated by the chemical norms in your brain (your body is extremely good at self-moderating these chemical levels unless you have a real illness). Unsurprisingly, drugs affect the chemical levels. Sustained drug use is effectively a means of behavior modification, which is also effectively personality modification.

Want to be a different person? Like, really be a different person? Do some research on birth control pills, and then go get yourself on some for a sustained period.

There is literature describing how excessive birth control may actually be a direct cause for the lowering percent of successful relationships and marriages. Women often take birth control avidly while sleeping around or through post-secondary eduction to avoid babies, but then stop when they're done and ready to reproduce. They've been slowly modifying their personality over years, then abruptly drop off the new body's norm. This can sometimes result in a surprisingly drastic change of desires, such as causing them to lose interest in their partner.

>>8165448
I feel for you, although I don't think my friend has done similar things.
>>8165458
This is depressing. That means our precious "consciousness" and "personality" are nothing more than illusions, they're merely abstractions to give us a sense of self? This is utterly sad.

Hold the phone

Pills actually work?
Everyone on 4chan makes it seem like all they do is take away your ability to think and make you sleep a lot.

Shit I wouldn't mind some concentrated normalfag essence for when I need to run errands outside.

>>8165449
Why are you so angry about it? Stray comment while going through my daily browsing. Learn to take it easy sperglord.

>>8165484
>take away your ability to think
Re-read what you just wrote for a second. That's where the shit happens and your hips start moving on their own.

>>8165485
>That means our precious "consciousness" and "personality" are nothing more than illusions, they're merely abstractions to give us a sense of self?
Welcome to atheism.

>>8165484
>Everyone on 4chan makes it seem like all they do is take away your ability to think and make you sleep a lot.

That's antidepressant medication. Go to /sci/, for instance, where the pills they take make them temporary geniuses. Also drugs.

>>8165485
Consciousness and personality have nothing to do with it. What changes are inhibitions and judgement. Your consciousness is still your consciousness and your personality changes all the time in response to your experience.

If you want to freak out, think about who you are when you're dreaming and don't really remember much about your waking life.

Consciousness is just a self awareness though, it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

>>8165491
That's not atheism. There are plenty who believe consciousness is a thing that can be uploaded into immortal bodies to live forever.

You're suggesting we ban alcohol? Haven't be learned our lesson on that already?

>>8165497
> Go to /sci/, for instance, where the pills they take make them temporary geniuses.
Like Adderrall and stuff? How would I even get that? My doctor knows I'm depressed and lethargic, which is pretty much the opposite of ADHD.

The only psychiatric drugs that actually work (aside from causing brain damage) are benzodiazepines and they hardly make you energetic.

>>8165503
Yeah, you're right. I just personally think that everything in life is conditional. Doesn't mean others do.

>>8165503
One day...

>>8165497
>What changes are inhibitions and judgment.
Wouldn't that necessarily change the personality too?

>>8165513
Yeah and I don't know, go ask them. They have threads all the time. Probably pretending to be ADHD in the same way /jp/ pretends to be autistic for guv'ment bux. So I guess you're SOL there.

>>8165524
>your personality changes all the time in response to your experience.
Did you even read the next sentence?

>>8165488
>take it easy, sperglord
Whatever you say, asswipe.

>>8165539
I guess I didn't pay enough attention to it.

>Holmes occasionally uses addictive drugs, especially when lacking stimulating cases. He believes the use of cocaine stimulates his brain when it is not in use. He is a habitual user of cocaine, which he injects in a seven-per-cent solution using a special syringe that he keeps in a leather case. Holmes is also an occasional user of morphine but expressed strong disapproval on visiting an opium den. These drugs were legal in late 19th-century England. Both Watson and Holmes are serial tobacco users, including cigarettes, cigars, and pipes.

do drugs, /jp/.

>>8165565
Well, if the greatest detective ever used drugs...

>>8165565
Holmes would actually be a horrible detective this day. Not any fault of his, but the writer. If you read the first original book, he said something about not needing to know that the Earth was round, or the sun was the center of out galaxy. He believed it to not be useful for his field of work, so he should try to forget about it as soon as he could.

The writer may claim him to be a genius and to be able to solve the best of cases, but from the writing itself, Holmes would only be capable of being a bricklayer at best.

>>8165565
holmes isn't real.

>>8165578
> If you read the first original book, he said something about not needing to know that the Earth was round, or the sun was the center of out galaxy. He believed it to not be useful for his field of work, so he should try to forget about it as soon as he could.
I don't see what's disagreeable here. This is a very efficient way of thinking. In fact I basically do this myself. I avoid all non-fiction books that aren't about programming or computer science, that way I can focus on those fields instead and become an EXPERT PROGRAMMER.
Or at least that's the idea. Unfortunately I'm too lethargic to read anything any more.

>>8165497
What, how do antidepressants take away your ability to think? I'm on Prozac, and I have no trouble thinking.

>>8165591
Neither are all the 2D girls you are in love with.

>>8165600
Low blow Anon

>>8165593
He was a detective. General knowledge would be in fact, tremendously useful in his line of work.

As for what you're doing, that's a quick way to end up as an uncreative code monkey. Better read up on fringe subjects like classical mechanics at least.

>>8165591

>>8165565
You do know Holmes and Watson are fictional characters, right?

>>8165600
I don't try to fly just cause my imaginary girlfriend can. holmes is no justification for drugs.

>>8165601
Are you sure Anon? I'm about to go on Sentraline which is another antidepressant. I already have plenty of trouble thinking and studying and I don't need anymore.

>>8165606

> Shouldn't this kind of shit be illegal?
No self-modification should ever be illegal. Actually, nothing that is non-harmful/non-coerceful to anyone else should be. People thinking like you have made the world into the (legalistic) mess that it is today.

However, I do agree that no such medication should ever be forced on anyone without their true, non-coerceful consent.

> That means our precious "consciousness" and "personality" are nothing more than illusions, they're merely abstractions to give us a sense of self? This is utterly sad.

You will never be able to prove that your consciousness is an illusion. Merely by having internal state and receving sensory input and being able to process it, you are conscious. I conjecture any such structure would be, this also means AI's would be conscious given the right structure.
Personality and self do exist as constructs in your own mind, they are partial illusions, but for all practical purposes, they are 'real' (as information in your mind). You can of course change enough things about yourself, and if one day we can change ANYTHING about our own mental existence, I would welcome it and never be against it. Of course, some changes may be unstable and doing them without supervision would be dangerous, other changes may render us quite dull and I don't think they are too wise (such as wireheading oneself into wanting to think some particular thought and thus more or less ending in an infinite loop - imagine if you could just generate any amount of pleasure with a simple thought, some people would find it hard to stop repeating that action as that's what positive reinforcement/pleasure actually is).

> catpcha: elordse independent

>>8165601
I think the other guy was just misunderstanding things.
The only real thing I've noticed from Prozac, in myself, and others, is emotional numbness when on a high dose for a long time.

>>8165604
> General knowledge would be in fact, tremendously useful in his line of work.
I suppose. For instance geography, cultural knowledge and so on would be incredibly useful in deducing a lot of cases. However a lot of knowledge would be superfluous or outright pointless.
> As for what you're doing, that's a quick way to end up as an uncreative code monkey. Better read up on fringe subjects like classical mechanics at least.
To be honest I doubt I'll even make it that far. I've read K&R something like 20 times and I still don't get it. I understand most of the syntax and concepts, I just cannot write or understand programs. I wish I had started earlier. I would have been excellent at this sort of thing as a kid. Then in my mid to late teens my memory, arithmetic skills and learning power went kaput. Now I can barely do anything.

>>8165627
Well, I've only been on it for about a month, but I've had no trouble thinking that I can remember. If anything, it's been easier to think/focus without my anxieties bothering me. I am a good bit more tired and less aware of my surroundings, but I consider those good things.

>>8165513
Dunno, maybe drugs that help with concentration work for both? Ask your doctor, maybe. Can't hurt.

>>8165279
Should it really be illegal to become a different person if you don't like who you are?

>>8165648
Oh. I'm already somewhat tired because of stupid sleep patterns I've imposed on myself such as sleeping at 3-5am and waking up at 2pm for uni courses. I'm also somewhat lethargic but somehow I can still make it class, I just can't grasp much.

If It doesn't make me fall asleep in the middle of class and I no longer get panic attacks then I don't care as long as I can focus within the class. I'll sleep all I want at him since I don't do anything anyway except waste here or watching anime and stuff.

In a cultured democratic society, the brain is important. as an adult citizen of such a society, you should take care of your brain the same way an athlete take care of his body.

If you DO insist on taking drugs, kindly ignore any right you has as an adult. we don't need pot heads to have voting rights.

>>8165669
home*

>>8165647
Don't start with K&R. That's learning C, not learning how to program.

I started out on bare metal circuitry(EE) rather than programming, and eventually reached a level of abstraction where I could say I needed to learn C. Start with machine code on a small MPU. From there you'll learn some assembly through opcodes. I worked into C and perl after that.

>>8165679
Also is it possible to develop dyslexia later on in life?

>>8165647
> To be honest I doubt I'll even make it that far. I've read K&R something like 20 times and I still don't get it. I understand most of the syntax and concepts, I just cannot write or understand programs. I wish I had started earlier. I would have been excellent at this sort of thing as a kid. Then in my mid to late teens my memory, arithmetic skills and learning power went kaput. Now I can barely do anything.
Did you try reading SICP? What about some logic books? I find it hard to believe that a generally intelligent human cannot build abstract concepts. I've heard of people who have such problems, but I really have no idea why.
>Should it really be illegal to become a different person if you don't like who you are?
You are always becoming a different person. Being conscious requires time and updating (memories), thus you are constantly changing (or if you take the bad view of it, infinitely dieing). I am not the person that went to sleep yesterday, nor am I the person from 1 or 5 years ago, yet I am inheriting most memories and personality, but I am still different - my memories have made me different. Being conscious is change. Not changing is no different from death. Some things like values may change slower, but they are still liable to change (it sure happened many times here). There is nothing wrong with changing yourself, however some changes may be dangerous and one should be careful.

>>8165671
The world is filled with idiots. Having some druggies vote won't make it any worse. I wish stupidity wasn't so widespread, but it can't be helped, for now.

>>8165647
Same here. Are you also studying Programming because you feel you have no alternative and studying anything else would be even harder than it is now (and job prospects as well)?

>>8165685
Not him but that sounds much harder than the stuff I'm trying to learn study now. I'm just hopeless I guess.

>>8165685
Well I programmed in higher-level languages as a kid. Unfortunately I can't remember them or even what languages I learned. I really like the idea of UNIX and C and so on, so K&R seemed like the next logical step. I have a breadboard but I don't know what to do with it, and as I've said learning new things is difficult for me. Perhaps I'll get a Raspberry Pi and learn ARM Thumb or something.

>>8165701
> Did you try reading SICP?
I've read the first chapter or two a few times, but again I don't remember any of it. I recall something about a guy? Maybe they quoted someone or something. I don't know. That's the extent of what I remember.
> What about some logic books?
Such as what?

>>8165671
Over 40% of Americans believe in creationism.
Over 50% of Americans won't vote for someone if he's atheist.
I would honestly rather have a ton of stoned college kids vote. No wonder the rest of the world laughs.

>>8165747
> Such as what?
Boolos' books are rather nice.

>>8165742
well, america is basically a white man version of any muslim country in that regard.

their religions even have the same root.

>>8165747
> I've read the first chapter or two a few times, but again I don't remember any of it. I recall something about a guy? Maybe they quoted someone or something. I don't know. That's the extent of what I remember.
Maybe your problem is that you don't actually try to use the knowledge that you gained and thus you forget it. I'm pretty forgetful myself, but if I really care about something and I use the knowledge often enough (such as actually coding or doing math or discussing about it), it sticks. I tend to forget entertainment much easily since I only consume it once and stop thinking about it once it's over. Just yesterday some anon here was pissed at me for forgetting most of F/SN's plot, and yet it can't be helped if I didn't think about most of it for 3+ years.

>>8165714
the rainforests are filled with trees, yet year by year the rainforests shrink.
if only each person would look at themselves rather than say 'meh, everybody does it' the world would be different.

>>8165742
>THEY are even more stupid!
maybe so, but it's not an excuse to being stupid yourself.
there are other ills in society but drugs, it doesn't mean drugs are ok, and you should rather fight the ills that you see than use them as an excuse to indulge in your own misbehaving.

>>8165747
You didn't read SICP HARD enough, try again, but this time try looking at the words instead of just reading them. You'll see..

>>8165789
Makes sense. But what about when you are interested in anything except maybe reading stuff here? I can brute force myself to read and memorize things but even with practice I forget things, if that makes any sense. I also have problems reading now where I want to read and understand everything quickly but it takes me forever to digest things and this frustrates me since it takes me a long time to properly understand everything.

>>8165806
> I can brute force myself to read and memorize things but even with practice I forget things, if that makes any sense.
Don't try to memorize blindly, try to understand, form links and concepts in your mind. If you don't understand something, make an effort to, or try looking it up in other places and build all the needed mental associations. Actually "hearing" you read a book in your inner voice won't do you any good if you don't understand what you're reading.

>>8165816
YES! That's exactly what I'm feeling but I just don't have any interest in anything. So then when I try to take the time to understand it I get frustrated because of all the time I spend on just a few pages, sometimes even just a page or two. Then I give up and start refreshing here or playing games or doing something that's not constructive at all. Hence why I am curious about taking drugs to help me focus and stick to one thing (my doctor knows I'm depressed and he says he can prescribe some anti-depressants if I need to. I told him I will try to do it on my own first and if I can't I'll go see him again).

>>8165836
Lacking interest can indeed be a problem. In a way, it's easier if there are domains you're already proficient in, but if there's no such thing, I can see why it would be troublesome.

>>8165850
Indeed. I used to have somewhat of an interest in math but that died long ago in highschool because of insanely horrible teacher. Normally I would not pin the blame on someone else but this guy was so damn terrible...

I figure the only thing I can do with my limited (practically none) social skills is get a job in IT or something somehow. I'm currently trying to read up on C++ and it's not going so well.

>>8165877
C++ is a mess and it shouldn't be your first language. I would say go with SICP and K&R first and make sure to immediately test the knowledge you learned (get an implementation or compiler installed, and a good editor/environment). If you really don't like C or Scheme/Lisp, you could try Python, I hear it's also a decent beginner new language. If you prefer something closer to the machine/hardware, learn a platform's assembly and maybe a good EE book and then VHDL or Verilog.

>>8165279
Look around you, most of us are shut-ins and yet this board is full of egomaniacs with no shyness whatsoever about their hobbyes, fetishes and opinions.
Yes, it's because there's a monitor but the point is, if we got rid of our social anxiety and similiar disorders, most of us would find themselves very extrovert and annoying.

I wish there was a way to somehow turn off my concsciousness but in a way that my body still works.
Like my mind is permanently dreaming or something, but my body still functions so that it appears normal to other people.
That would solve so many of my problems.

>>8165932
Its called being a sociopath.

>>8165921
Can you really be egomanic if you don't express your identity? Most posters are anonymous and only those using a trip try to maintain an identity.

Why are the Japanese so incredibly misinformed about recreational drug use? I mean, just look at the OP's pic. Madotsuki has a spliff and like half a dozen unmarked pills out. She looks more like some OS-tan-esque, futaba-spawned, "moefied" version of a drug user than someone who is actually going to take those drugs. It's like with Yakui, the artists just went "SHE'S A CRAZY DRUG ADDICT MEIDO wwwww" and have her gulp down a bottle of pills like they're candy.

Now I'm reminded of the episode of Black Lagoon where a guy driving a jeep smokes weed while being shot at and is all like I CAN HEAR ANGELS THE DEMONS ARE COMING FOR US. I don't care if no one in Japan does drugs, do your fucking research.

>>8165993
No, a sociopath is just someone who lacks empathy, which usually means being unable to project other people's expressed emotions to yourself, and then generalize from there and form morality or ethics without having to use a more generalized model of human beings.
>>8165932
Having no consciousness is the same as not existing as a human being. No different than being dead. What you want would be to dream forever or something else, which is different than no conscious experience.

>>8166015
>Having no consciousness is the same as not existing as a human being. No different than being dead. What you want would be to dream forever or something else, which is different than no conscious experience.

Well yes, but it would be better, since I would technically still exist and could avoid all the drama that suicide brings.
Everybody wins!

>>8166029
Why would you care about drama if you're dead?

Is this how your usual threads go, /jp/?

With /r9k/-levels of pseudo-intellectualism?

>>8166042
Yes, that or spurdo sparde

>>8166036
Because knowing that my parents will be upset stops me from doing it.
They'd be better off without me, but I doubt it is possible to explain that to them.

>>8166042
Yeah, /jp/ is pretty much always a supreme shithole. Why?

Is it called alcohol?

>>8166326
I don't know the name, but I'm sure it's something that must be bought at a drugstore, so no.